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post Apr 9 2009, 07:36 AM

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AMD/ATi HD 4000 Series Discussion V6 Thread
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ATI Radeon™ HD 4000 System Requirement

ATI Radeon™ HD4800 Series System Requirement

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ATI Radeon™ Mainstream(HD4600,HD4550,HD4350) System Requirements

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Software,Overclocking Tools & Benchmark

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Review

ATI Radeon™ 4800 Series Review
ATI Radeon™ HD 4850 Review
ATI Radeon™ HD 4870&4850 Review
ATI Radeon™ HD 4850&4870 "Special" AA
ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 1GB Review
ATI Radeon™ HD 4870 X2 and Crossfired HD4870 X2 Review
ATI Radeon™ HD 4830 Review
ATI Radeon™ HD 4830 Review
[Xbit]Ultimate Heavy-Weight Fight: Radeon HD 4890 CrossFireX vs. GeForce GTX 285 SLI


ATI Radeon™ Mainstream Review

ATI Radeon™ HD 4670 Review
ATI Radeon™ HD 4350&4550 Review


History,Overclocking Thread & Club Thread

AMD/ATi Radeon HD 4000 Series Discussion V2 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/728477
AMD/ATi Radeon HD 4000 Series Discussion V3 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/746229
AMD/ATi Radeon HD 4000 Series Discussion V4 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/788313
AMD/ATi Radeon HD 4000 Series Discussion V5 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/859493/+2460
AMD/ATi Radeon HD 4850 Overclocking Thread : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/734055
AMD/ATi Radeon HD 4870 X2/R700 Discussion : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/723229
AMD/ATi Radeon HD 4850 X2 Discussion : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/829497
AMD/ATi Radeon RV790 Discussion : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/958690
Gainward AMD/ATi V2 Club Thread : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/837220
HIS AMD/ATi Club Thread : http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=785240&hl=


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Waaa.....
hope HD5000 series will continue the success of its predecessor rclxms.gif
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wah.. V6 already.. yeah, cant wait to see HD5000 series perform..
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HD5000 - when coming? Does this mark the beginning of the end for Nvidia? haha...
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congrats now on v6
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cool ! v6 already ! keep on going ATI !
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i wonder how much power needed to run next-gen card..
now with customs cooler already hot.. can easily sweat while gaming..
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so fast 5000 series?? wen will the hd4770 or hd4750 come out?
really headache wanna get 4830 during pc fair or wait for 4770 la.. rclxub.gif
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Cool,

Ya, i hope that the new card will consume less power but excellent performance.
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QUOTE(chaics85 @ Apr 9 2009, 11:05 AM)
so fast 5000 series?? wen will the hd4770 or hd4750 come out?
really headache wanna get 4830 during pc fair or wait for 4770 la.. rclxub.gif
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yeah like i said, it wont be out til next year. so keep enjoying the HD4000 series while u can
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QUOTE(chaics85 @ Apr 9 2009, 11:05 AM)
so fast 5000 series?? wen will the hd4770 or hd4750 come out?
really headache wanna get 4830 during pc fair or wait for 4770 la.. rclxub.gif
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If the price difference is not huge, why not you go for HD4850? For me it's one of ATI's best GC. Try Gainwards GS. Just my 2 cents~

EDIT: saw a HD4850 selling for RM360 at garage sale. Link. But it's a reference card if I'm not mistaken.

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IINM..HD 5000 Series is out due to Xmas..But mostly after Windows 7 is out smile.gif
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Anyone have tried the latest driver Catalyst 9.4? any improvement in Vsync?

i will try it tonight. i am using the 9.3 now and i still have problem with screen tearing. If i force vsync, the graphic are not "good" enough.
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9.4 out? will try tonight too...
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can anyone post up some pics of the new Overdrive.
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IINM..HD 5000 Series is out due to Xmas..But mostly after Windows 7 is out smile.gif
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when window 7 out? , out of topic...
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I've tried 9.4 and getting graphic corruption issues on 3dmarkvantage. Gonna reinstall and try again to make sure it's not the 3dmark files that is corrupted.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 9 2009, 02:34 PM)
I've tried 9.4 and getting graphic corruption issues on 3dmarkvantage. Gonna reinstall and try again to make sure it's not the 3dmark files that is corrupted.
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Did you cleaned up the driver well before you install a new one.
You tried with a single card or with your CrossFire?

I wanna how much it has improved with HD4890. But it's ok.
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can't wait to grab a 4850... still thinking which brand is better.. flex.gif

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QUOTE(ctkoo1985 @ Apr 9 2009, 03:37 PM)
can't wait to grab a 4850... still thinking which brand is better.. flex.gif
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get those with custom coller thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gto87 @ Apr 9 2009, 03:25 PM)
Did you cleaned up the driver well before you install a new one.
You tried with a single card or with your CrossFire?

I wanna how much it has improved with HD4890. But it's ok.
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3dmark was fine with Crossfire on(running at 4870 speed) when I used the beta 9.4 that is bundled with Asus EAH4890 card. The graphic corruption occurs after installing Catalyst 9.4 and restart. It's gone after I restart my computer again. Here are the result with no overclock (2.66ghz processor) at all.

Default performance setting at 1280x1024 with no crossfire (4890 speed) is P10116 and crossfire (4870 speed) is P12693. I got P9211 on my 4870.

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QUOTE(hilmiangah @ Apr 9 2009, 01:43 PM)
can anyone post up some pics of the new Overdrive.
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from wat i can tell...........no different visually.............

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currently running sapphire hd4870X2. Pretty hot when gaming. Anyway, didnt update the drivers and maintained the drivers that came with the CD. So far so good.

System specs
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QUOTE(ma43q @ Apr 9 2009, 06:06 PM)
currently running sapphire hd4870X2. Pretty hot when gaming. Anyway, didnt update the drivers and maintained the drivers that came with the CD. So far so good.

System specs
sapphire hd 4870x2
corsair hx1000 psu
gigabyte ep45-ud3p
intel E8400
Mushkin XP2-8500 (2 x 2GB)
Cooler Master ATCS 840 (3 x 230mm internal, 4 x 120mm internal, 1 x 120mm external)
2 x WD 640GB, 1 X WD 1TB
1 x pioneer A16FXB dvd writer
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Samsung T220 linked by Philips PXT1190 dvd-dvi cable
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ok..............so wats ur point?.......
u really shud upgrade to 9.3/9.4.
u missing out a lot of improvements & bugs fix.

btw, 4870x2 on 1680*1050 resolution................ doh.gif
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WAh.. so fast v6 liaoz.. the "red" team really strong since 4xxx series out.

Didn't know 9.4cat was out officially, so far any gotten performance increased in this cat?..

Update : ok i just read the releasenotes, this cat basically just fixes.. oh well...

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any takers for 9.4?guess gonna jump on it later...doesnt really care nowdays on what improvement it might bring...anyway counting days only for my 4870 wonder which will come first nvidia next gen or ati next gen...
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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Apr 9 2009, 05:52 PM)
from wat i can tell...........no different visually.............

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from the release notes, ati states that it has a better auto oc mechanism. normally we don't trust the auto oc, as it will give higher clock speed which are not stable. with this so called new overdrive, they claim it's better than the older one in terms of finding the right maximum oc
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Hi there,
Hope to be clear enough?

I am a newbee heer and Just wanted to ask if I buy a HD 4890 can I use only CCC9.4 or do I need to go with the CD driver first then instal CCC 1by1?
Thanks
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QUOTE(Nocrimes @ Apr 9 2009, 08:50 PM)
Hi there,
Hope to be clear enough?

I am a newbee heer and Just wanted to ask if I buy a HD 4890 can I use only CCC9.4 or do I need to go with the CD driver first then instal CCC 1by1?
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since the Catalyst 9.4 already out... it is advisable use the Cat 9.4 instead of the bundled CD driver... icon_idea.gif...
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oh my
my HD4890 perform more than 1k in 3DMark
GPU score is 8029 in performance preset

whats wrong?
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your gpu score is equivalent to 4870 only wtf lol...did u try updating the drivers? did u clean your old drivers properly?
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Hello ATI fans...I got a question....Would u guys recommend me to get a 4850X2 or wait for the 5xxx series to be out?
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Great. I am now in the ATi bandwagon.

I am using Catalyst 9.3, but there seems to be tearing across my screen. Especially when the action is moving very fast. Anyone of you guys experiencing this?

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 9 2009, 10:38 PM)
Great. I am now in the ATi bandwagon.

I am using Catalyst 9.3, but there seems to be tearing across my screen. Especially when the action is moving very fast. Anyone of you guys experiencing this?
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enable the vsync and see whether its still happen.
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enable the vsync and see whether its still happen.
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Oh.. Because I thought, if its enabled, the frame rates will drop. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 9 2009, 10:43 PM)
Oh.. Because I thought, if its enabled, the frame rates will drop.  hmm.gif
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its capped at 60fps.

so if ur game running at over 60fps then for sure it'll be slower.
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QUOTE(hilmiangah @ Apr 9 2009, 10:44 PM)
its capped at 60fps.

so if ur game running at over 60fps then for sure it'll be slower.
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Thanks for the heads up bro. notworthy.gif

Anyway, my rocketdock is also kinda laggy when using this 4670.

Previously, with me 8600GT, no prob at all.

Other that than, I LOVE my 4670.
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Thank you for yhe info I am planing to buy my comp this week end finally rclxub.gif
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enable the vsync and see whether its still happen.
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possible to enable vsync via windows? i cant find the option via CCC
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possible to enable vsync via windows? i cant find the option via CCC
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yes but i already forgot how.
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yes but i already forgot how.
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Found it. It did not say VSYNC. It says wait for vertical sync.. rclxms.gif
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tech3910, sorry, my point is that if nothing is wrong, then dont rush to update it.by the way, im fine with the 4870X2 on 1680x1050 res. I already having problems adjusting my eyes to a 22" not to say 24".

so far, i have not encounter any problem with games im running with and i prefer to format and then install the latest graphic drivers. A fresh window will make things easier to troubleshoot
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Planning to upgrade my GC
is it worth it to change from 4850 to 4890?
My psu is gygabyte true power 550w, cn support 4890?

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argh, i still confusing which 1 to buy, well i want setup CFX with biostar IP45 but now which GC should i take?
HD4850
HD4870
HD3870
cause i see, the price for HD3870 is much cheaper then 4850 but the core is better, anyone explain this for me?
well i might judge which 1 i need to buy in term of cash and quality by the way..
so any recommendation is welcome smile.gif
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QUOTE(ma43q @ Apr 9 2009, 11:06 PM)
tech3910, sorry, my point is that if nothing is wrong, then dont rush to update it.by the way, im fine with the 4870X2 on 1680x1050 res. I already having problems adjusting my eyes to a 22" not to say 24".

so far, i have not encounter any problem with games im running with and i prefer to format and then install the latest graphic drivers. A fresh window will make things easier to troubleshoot
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actually from ccc9.1 onwards, there is some major performance boost. just saying u shud giv it a try.

& 4870x2 on 1680*1050 is actually kinda waste.................y not 24",? full HD.............. rclxms.gif
@ dis resolution, u can hardly tell the different comparing wit a single 4870.
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yo tech3910, thanks for the info on the drivers. perhaps its time for me to upgrade indeed. i got my 4870x2 after i bought my t220. Actually i was also thinking of a single 4870, tats why i invested on the monitor. But i decided to go for the 4870X2 after that. well, things just happened. tongue.gif Anyway, i will leave the monitor as it is for the time being. My eyes are still trying to get use to the monitor.

Since that the t240 is still above the rm1k, i will wait awhile before upgrading. i just spend quite a big sum on the pc. need to cool down for awhile. (sweating once i start to count how much i spend on it)

im downloading the 9.4 from sapphire right now.



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It seems like each week there is a new Catalyst driver set. Scary.. laugh.gif

Downloading 9.4 also, but will there be any significant difference?
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your gpu score is equivalent to 4870 only wtf lol...did u try updating the drivers? did u clean your old drivers properly?
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im using Catalyst 9.4
the oldest driver i used was the 9.4beta that came with the CD

and i cant enable my Overdrive, i can only view
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QUOTE(LiMcZ @ Apr 10 2009, 12:15 AM)
Planning to upgrade my GC
is it worth it to change from 4850 to 4890?
My psu is gygabyte true power 550w, cn support 4890?
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4850 to 4890 = worth it
PSU = can handle

QUOTE(duncan880409 @ Apr 10 2009, 02:38 AM)
argh, i still confusing which 1 to buy, well i want setup CFX with biostar IP45 but now which GC should i take?
HD4850
HD4870
HD3870
cause i see, the price for HD3870 is much cheaper then 4850 but the core is better, anyone explain this for me?
well i might judge which 1 i need to buy in term of cash and quality by the way..
so any recommendation is welcome smile.gif
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dont buy 3870, u will regret it. if budget is much of concern, buy 4850. but if ur willing to fork out that extra RM200-300, go for 4870 1gb. for sure u won't regret it
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QUOTE(duncan880409 @ Apr 10 2009, 02:38 AM)
argh, i still confusing which 1 to buy, well i want setup CFX with biostar IP45 but now which GC should i take?
HD4850
HD4870
HD3870
cause i see, the price for HD3870 is much cheaper then 4850 but the core is better, anyone explain this for me?
well i might judge which 1 i need to buy in term of cash and quality by the way..
so any recommendation is welcome smile.gif
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Ok now, if you're planning to buy 3870 because it's cheaper then IMO you're just wasting your money.
Technology isn't going to stop progressing, and if you want to keep pace with it, you might as well buy the current top-level GC (or at least the one that its performance nearest to the latest) to minimize the financial damage down the road.

For me, the difference between 4850 and 3870 in term of performance is already huge enough, let alone taking 4870 into account. Just go to the garage sales thread and look up for the 4850 Golden Sample version or buy a 4870 1GB. The both I mentioned just now, is the best card at their time and you won't regret buying them.

Just my 2 cents smile.gif

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Go 4890 1GB instead of 4870 1GB. The price difference is so little.
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 10 2009, 10:11 AM)
Btw, more news of R800 smile.gif
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=c...=13096&Itemid=1
4850 to 4890 = worth it
PSU =  can handle
dont buy 3870, u will regret it. if budget is much of concern, buy 4850. but if ur willing to fork out that extra RM200-300, go for 4870 1gb. for sure u won't regret it
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QUOTE(gto87 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:49 AM)
Ok now, if you're planning to buy 3870 because it's cheaper then IMO you're just wasting your money.
Technology isn't going to stop progressing, and if you want to keep pace with it, you might as well buy the current top-level GC (or at least the one that its performance nearest to the latest) to minimize the financial damage down the road.

For me, the difference between 4850 and 3870 in term of performance is already huge enough, let alone taking 4870 into account. Just go to the garage sales thread and look up for the 4850 Golden Sample version or buy a 4870 1GB. The both I mentioned just now, is the best card at their time and you won't regret buying them.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 10 2009, 01:09 PM)
Go 4890 1GB instead of 4870 1GB. The price difference is so little.
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thanks for all the reply.. can i know the 3rd party GIGABYTE, ASUS etc. what the difference then if the card still same, like you see, sapphire 4850 is cheaper then gigabyte and asus
what the price for 485/7/90 nowdays?

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thanks for all the reply.. can i know the 3rd party GIGABYTE, ASUS etc. what the difference then if the card still same, like you see, sapphire 4850 is cheaper then gigabyte and asus
what the price for 485/7/90 nowdays?
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The difference is the build quality, cooling solution, the accessories provided and the overclocking features. I forgot to mention, the technical support.

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How about asus 4870? Good?
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It seems like each week there is a new Catalyst driver set. Scary.. laugh.gif

Downloading 9.4 also, but will there be any significant difference?
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It's every one month. See that 9.4 on your driver there? That indicates it was released on April.
So, after 12 month starting from 9.1, we don't get 9.13 but we get 10.1 instead. icon_rolleyes.gif

The naming scheme is just for their record I guess unsure.gif .

@duncan880409: Higher clock speed doesn't necessarily mean better performance. Architecture comes into play as well. An engineer needs to balance these 2 out(or get them both at the same time brows.gif ).

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i would rather spend extra RM50-100 for other brands than saving just for sapphire. IMO, sapphire's after sales service sucks.
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It's every one month. See that 9.4 on your driver there? That indicates it was released on April.
So, after 12 month starting from 9.1, we don't get 9.13 but we get 10.1 instead. icon_rolleyes.gif

The naming scheme is just for their record I guess unsure.gif .

@duncan880409: Higher clock speed doesn't necessarily mean better performance. Architecture comes into play as well. An engineer needs to balance these 2 out(or get them both at the same time  brows.gif ).
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xfx cooling system seems nice and cool..=)using it..all black..
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so which third party company is the best?? i mean overall in tech support, reliability, worth etc
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GIGABYTE 4850 512MB RM559
4850 1GB 609
4870 X2 19++ (if i not mistaken)
asus is abit expensive...
now i plan to buy at pc fair at JB, any reommendation?
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asus pricing is roughly rm100 to 200 more expensive than other brands. So instead of going for asus, i went for sapphire, just as good.
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asus pricing is roughly rm100 to 200 more expensive than other brands. So instead of going for asus, i went for sapphire, just as good.
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asus pricing is roughly rm100 to 200 more expensive than other brands. So instead of going for asus, i went for sapphire, just as good.
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bro...better u buy 2nd 4870..rm600++ only..better than new 4850..huhu..just a suggestion.

asus always come with huge box..hehe..even 2 series card..anyway...for me..asus is an elegant brand.. flex.gif

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Oh yeah, I hate it when my 4670 underclocks itself while at idle. Any way to disable that?
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Oh yeah, I hate it when my 4670 underclocks itself while at idle. Any way to disable that?
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why u want to do that????

its to conserve energy and to keep the card cool.

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Means we're paying extra for the extra 1 warranty?
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Oh yeah, I hate it when my 4670 underclocks itself while at idle. Any way to disable that?
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Why you want disable that, it is the features that everybody wants (underclock = lower temp) laugh.gif

But you can disable it via bios flash, modify the 2d clock to 3d clock..
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Funny you guys are going the total opposite..

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Since it will void my warranty, I guess I will put it on hold. laugh.gif
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You don't need hyper speed to run things in 2D mode like desktop or watching movies. That is why they made the card underclock itself. No point of getting extra speed, just heat and power consumption.
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You don't need hyper speed to run things in 2D mode like desktop or watching movies. That is why they made the card underclock itself. No point of getting extra speed, just heat and power consumption.
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there is 4870 Sonic in the Garage Sales section now.

i say grab it.
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i dont really worried about the additional 1 year warranty. by the time my 4870X2 reach the 2nd year or so, its also time to change the card.

Anyway, if my 4870X2 can last me a year, im happy enuf.

Whether the the sapphire Quality is not on par with asus, that i seriously dont know.

IF the card is already obsolete, then the warranty claim will be an issue. Either the owner will need to wait for months or they might replace it with another card that is equivalent in value...... im quite sure its not going to be one to one swap. Correct me if im wrong.


Well, this is just my opinion. smile.gif

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well.. good on you that your 4870X2 is serving you well. but really, it will be a different story when shit happens to u. i know it happened to me, so i know how it was like.

trying searching about bad customer service of sapphire in google, u will be surprised
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I'm one of the 3870 user that switch to 4850 without any regret. I felt the performance difference, if budget is a limitation, 4850 GS is a pretty good choice. Longer warranty and good after sales support is a great plus when your product has failed, I've experienced it before, so better safe than never. Second hand gpu is another alternative for budget concern group.

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9.4 catalyst out?

damn, tempting 2 try it out biggrin.gif
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It was out on 8-days ago...

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Last few months i was trouble with creeping high temp of my sapphire 4850, 64C/100C at idle/load.
Today i took out my gc and observe it carefully.
external part of the card is clean without any dust.
As i look carefully, i realized that there are some dust inside the plastic cover. So what i did is i took the cooler off of my Sapphire 4850, pop out the plastic cover and WOW, lots of dust covering all the fins and the holes where the heatsink connects the fan.
I blew off and vacuum the dust, put everything bc and turn on my pc.
Now my GC run at 50c/75c idle/load. My gc cooled down by 30C!!!!!!!!! wow, holy cow.....
Hope this will help those that having same problem like mine.
The fan will not show much dust but it may be inside the plastic cover. And when dust collects on those fins, there won't be enough air flowing over your GPU.
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 12 2009, 12:12 AM)
well.. good on you that your 4870X2 is serving you well. but really, it will be a different story when shit happens to u. i know it happened to me, so i know how it was like.

trying searching about bad customer service of sapphire in google, u will be surprised
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Well, if the same s@@t happened to me, i will let u know. Anyway, i have to admit that normally i dont check forums for the sort of things you mentioned. IF my 4870X2 kaput on me, then i will have to deal with it then. My friends are all dealers and suppliers so they can help and what can i complain about when i get all 4870X2 at dealer price.

About sapphire's bad customer service, i really cant say much, because this is my first time buying a sapphire card. HOwever, few days ago, i tried to download the catalyst 9.4 from their homepage and i couldn't. So i emailed them right after i tried several times. The reply came within 1.5 hours which i think its quite fast. On customer service issues, i have tried email Lian-li Taiwan, Enermax HQ,Creative Singapore, HP (on 612c problems), Razerzone and now sapphire and all of them promptly responded.

Hey guys, i dont notice significant improvement on the 9.4. i just installed 2 days ago.
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ATI Partners Will Try Out A Radeon HD 4890 X2

AMD ever said that they had no immediate plans for Radeon HD 4890 X2, but the guys at Brightside claims the ATI partner can and will make a Radeon HD 4890 X2 with entitle from AMD Graphics Products Group. In a Youtube interview for PC Games Hardware, Sasa Marinkovic, Product Manager for Consumer platforms also confirmed the X2 part.

If AMD Radeon HD 4890 X2 plan is true, then the power consumption would be a big problem. The maximum power consumption would reach about 380W and the card should be addressed with two 8-pin connectors. Rumors indicate there is one ATI partner planning such a design and wants to do dual-1GHz GPU clock paired up with 2GB and 4GB of GDDR5 memory.

Radeon HD 4870 X2 is sold at $549 according to previous information, and Radeon HD 4890 X2 should be priced higher. But the consumers may prefer to build CrossFire with two Radeon HD 4890 with less than $500. Do you think users will buy an expensive Radeon HD 4890 X2 with such huge power consumption? Your comments are always welcome and highly appreciated.

http://en.expreview.com/2009/04/11/ati-par....html#more-3083
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ATI Partners Will Try Out A Radeon HD 4890 X2

AMD ever said that they had no immediate plans for Radeon HD 4890 X2, but the guys at Brightside claims the ATI partner can and will make a Radeon HD 4890 X2 with entitle from AMD Graphics Products Group. In a Youtube interview for PC Games Hardware, Sasa Marinkovic, Product Manager for Consumer platforms also confirmed the X2 part.

If AMD Radeon HD 4890 X2 plan is true, then the power consumption would be a big problem. The maximum power consumption would reach about 380W and the card should be addressed with two 8-pin connectors. Rumors indicate there is one ATI partner planning such a design and wants to do dual-1GHz GPU clock paired up with 2GB and 4GB of GDDR5 memory.

Radeon HD 4870 X2 is sold at $549 according to previous information, and Radeon HD 4890 X2 should be priced higher. But the consumers may prefer to build CrossFire with two Radeon HD 4890 with less than $500. Do you think users will buy an expensive Radeon HD 4890 X2 with such huge power consumption? Your comments are always welcome and highly appreciated.

http://en.expreview.com/2009/04/11/ati-par....html#more-3083
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yah we all knew that it is left for the AIB partners to design 4890X2. just hope that it won't end up looking something like 4850X2. i still think that 4870X2 is one good looking card tongue.gif
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user who plan to buy those X2 cards not only need to think about the power consumption, price but also space in the casing, cooling, power supply to use and so on. ITs not the matter of buying the card any more. I believed that only limited number of hardcore users will invest so much. After all, the target group is definitely not the common average users.

So coming up with a 4890X2 with such great power consumption and initial pricing should be higher than 4870X2 first appeared in the market might not be that great after all. PErhaps it will only appear in smaller quantity for a niche market. Like what you said, users might just opt for 2 4890 in crossfire but i guess the power consumption is not that small too to run both cards in crossfire.

As i believed 1 4890 will need 1 PCI-E 6pins and one 8 pins. so running two in crossfire will require double of that. Average PSU might not be able to cope and these are serious investments
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at least 4890x2 solution will be better than 4890 CF laugh.gif
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at least 4890x2 solution will be better than 4890 CF laugh.gif
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at least they can try to make it more power efficient. just like 4870 cf vs 4870x2
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4890 is 20% better than 4870 right?
So 4890x2 is 40% better than 4870x2..
Let's hope it'll pawn GTX295 drool.gif
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QUOTE(ma43q @ Apr 12 2009, 09:57 AM)
user who plan to buy those X2 cards not only need to think about the power consumption, price but also space in the casing, cooling, power supply to use and so on. ITs not the matter of buying the card any more. I believed that only limited number of hardcore users will invest so much. After all, the target group is definitely not the common average users.

So coming up with a 4890X2 with such great power consumption and initial pricing should be higher than 4870X2 first appeared in the market might not be that great after all. PErhaps it will only appear in smaller quantity for a niche market. Like what you said, users might just opt for 2 4890 in crossfire but i guess the power consumption is not that small too to run both cards in crossfire.

As i believed 1 4890 will need 1 PCI-E 6pins and one 8 pins. so running two in crossfire will require double of that. Average PSU might not be able to cope and these are serious investments
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i hope the price not over 2k tongue.gif
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i hope the price not over 2k  tongue.gif
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i think less than 2K laa
coz they wan 2 compete wif GTX295
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Hotfix that fixes "Error Code 43 " when enabling crossfire and provided WHQL Catalyst : http://technologic.ysoserius.com/2009/04/h...de-43-when.html , http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages...sErrorCode.aspx
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i think the initial pricing might be around 2k. Just look at the pricing of the 4870X2. after so many months in the market, its still hovering between 1700-2k and gt295 is roughly at 1900-2100 range (correct me if im wrong).

If you buy 2 4890 for CF, its still going to cost about 2k. For highend cards like the X2 and 295, i dont think the pricing is going to be reduced by much. If 4890x2 ever appear in the market, the pricing might not be below 2k because it will crash with the pricing for 4870X2 unless they stop the production of 4870X2 or decrease the pricing of the entire range of hd4000 series of card.

Well, if you are talking about 4890 has 20% more performance than the 4870 (correct me if im wrong), then it is not necessary to gain 40% performance if in CF mode. and those numbers are very subjective.

And spending 2k alone is bad enough but considering the investment in other hardware upgrades for people who have not done so. ( perhaps 1k Watt PSU, bigger casing, better cooling solutions- extra fans, etc). 600-800Watt PSU just might not be that sufficient if there are xtra hdds, a lot of fans, writers, etc.

And buying a card that cost rm2k is equivalent to buying an entire entry level PC and thats not including other components which must be present to ensure that the card is running smoothly.

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what it mean by reference card ah?
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if i were into 4890, will go for cf instead of 4890x2, since not planning for quad gpus(2 x 4890x2), size normally will not an issue...those who planned for this card shud know dual gpu on single pcb will b at least d width of atx form mobo
heat might b an issue, jz hope dat at least dual fan for this highly clocked monster

when 4890x2 out in d market, wonder wat nvidia's move...going for dual gtx280/285 in one card solution or straight gtx300 series

now graphics card developing faster n faster...new cards almost every quarter
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QUOTE(justone @ Apr 13 2009, 03:59 PM)
if i were into 4890, will go for cf instead of 4890x2, since not planning for quad gpus(2 x 4890x2), size normally will not an issue...those who planned for this card shud know dual gpu on single pcb will b at least d width of atx form mobo
heat might b an issue, jz hope dat at least dual fan for this highly clocked monster

when 4890x2 out in d market, wonder wat nvidia's move...going for dual gtx280/285 in one card solution or straight gtx300 series

now graphics card developing faster n faster...new cards almost every quarter
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i think the initial pricing might be around 2k. Just look at the pricing of the 4870X2. after so many months in the market, its still hovering between 1700-2k and gt295 is roughly at 1900-2100 range (correct me if im wrong).

If you buy 2 4890 for CF, its still going to cost about 2k. For highend cards like the X2 and 295, i dont think the pricing is going to be reduced by much. If 4890x2 ever appear in the market, the pricing might not be below 2k because it will crash with the pricing for 4870X2 unless they stop the production of 4870X2 or decrease the pricing of the entire range of hd4000 series of card.

Well, if you are talking about 4890 has 20% more performance than the 4870 (correct me if im wrong), then it is not necessary to gain 40% performance if in CF mode. and those numbers are very subjective.

And spending 2k alone is bad enough but considering the investment in other hardware upgrades for people who have not done so. ( perhaps 1k Watt PSU, bigger casing, better cooling solutions- extra fans, etc). 600-800Watt PSU just might not be that sufficient if there are xtra hdds, a lot of fans, writers, etc.

And buying a card that cost rm2k is equivalent to buying an entire entry level PC and thats not including other components which must be present to ensure that the card is running smoothly.
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u can find such 4830 from sapphire and triplex too. just look for sapphire and powercolour. smile.gif
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i wanna upgrade my brother pc..right now his pc used amd x2 3000 with integrated Gc..what am i suppose to do with this spec

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how to softmod that 4830?need to find power color after this
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if ur GPU-z reports that ur 4830 have 800 Shader Unified, you already have HD4850-underclock version

no softmod needed laugh.gif
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 15 2009, 11:02 AM)
if ur GPU-z reports that ur 4830 have 800 Shader Unified, you already have HD4850-underclock version

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got that nice thing ? or 4830 flash 4850 bios ?
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QUOTE(likito @ Apr 15 2009, 11:56 AM)
got that nice thing ? or 4830 flash 4850 bios ?
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according teh news, the item should be lurking around china market.

im not sure if flash 4830 (640 shaders) to 4850 bios will unlock the 800 shaders...
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 15 2009, 12:01 PM)
according teh news, the item should be lurking around china market.

im not sure if flash 4830 (640 shaders) to 4850 bios will unlock the 800 shaders...
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plus from what i read the disabled shader processor is laser cut.
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seem like the price didt drop much till now
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QUOTE(hilmiangah @ Apr 15 2009, 11:39 AM)
plus from what i read the disabled shader processor is laser cut.
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Yes indeed. How those 4830 end up with 800sp? Maybe laser cutting's expensive.(you know China!) Too bad I don't think it's easy to find these 4830s in Malaysia, or I'll grab one ASAP!
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No, they're just doing stock clearance of "can't run at 625Mhz RV770" chips.



Yields are so good that even the 4830 can get 800SPs now in cutthroat markets like China.


Still, extremely nice. 9800GTX (without the +) performance at RM400 price... biggrin.gif
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Asus High-End HD4890 custom cooler and pcb :

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


the interesting thing about this 4890 is the capacitor, which is compressed into one single component (the Fujitsu chip)

liink : http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.p...794#post1321794

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damn, but the price for that asus card will be 1k+
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 15 2009, 01:04 PM)
Asus High-End HD4890 custom cooler and pcb :

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


the interesting thing about this 4890 is the capacitor, which is compressed into one single component (the Fujitsu chip)

liink : http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.p...794#post1321794
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This seems like the perfect 4890 that has overcome heat and noise issue. Shouldnt be a problem to reach 1ghz easily with that fuji capacitor, i hope
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sorry... just sharing what i got....
i just playing with the ATI overdrive.. set my reference HD4850 GPU clock to 700 and memory clock to 1200...
n i get this...

[attachmentid=908382]

by the way.. i'm using ati catalyst 9.2.....
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QUOTE(zariel @ Apr 15 2009, 10:43 PM)
sorry... just sharing what i got....
i just playing with the ATI overdrive.. set my reference HD4850 GPU clock to 700 and memory clock to 1200...
n i get this...

[attachmentid=908382]

by the way.. i'm using ati catalyst 9.2.....
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too bad your GPU performance doesn't really speak from the 1722181.1Gb/s bandwidth tongue.gif

u should update your GPUZ to the latest 0.3.3 and CCC to 9.4
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Wait, that Vantage GPU score is REALLY high for a P score...




4890 stock gets between 9k to 10k and that's at 850Mhz. yawn.gif
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actually... there is too many artifact during the test... maybe it is because of my reference cooler...
i just suprise the potential of overcloacking ability that my card can give..... hahaha......
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artifact means the card is at its limit....it got nothing to do with reference cooler or not...u should pull the clocks down to prevent damage to your card
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QUOTE(zariel @ Apr 15 2009, 10:43 PM)
sorry... just sharing what i got....
i just playing with the ATI overdrive.. set my reference HD4850 GPU clock to 700 and memory clock to 1200...
n i get this...

[attachmentid=908382]

by the way.. i'm using ati catalyst 9.2.....
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GPU score at 10702? and that is on 4850? blink.gif blink.gif
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no wonder the score is so high. i used to have that b4. instead of crashing, it had artifacts. then i get more fps tongue.gif
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1000755
thumbup.gif In Malaysia ady.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-47...w-preview-test/
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QUOTE(romulus47plus1 @ Apr 16 2009, 07:42 PM)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1000755
thumbup.gif In Malaysia ady.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-47...w-preview-test/
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wow the review shows that 4770 is almost the same or just slightly slower than 4850, but pwn 4830. but i would be more interested to know the reference card price.
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that is 4750 on the review
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 16 2009, 08:51 PM)
that is 4750 on the review
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oops my mistake tongue.gif so i guess 4770 will be even faster then?
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 16 2009, 09:00 PM)
oops my mistake tongue.gif so i guess 4770 will be even faster then?
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yeap...it suppose to (double memory bandwidth(4750 suppose to use GDDR3 iianm) + abit higher core clock speed laugh.gif )

http://img701.photo.wangyou.com/2009/04/14...4013935_8_1.jpg

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No, that's the 4770 with 4750 core clockspeed.


It uses GDDR5 but runs at 650Mhz, not 750.
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Apr 16 2009, 09:13 PM)
No, that's the 4770 with 4750 core clockspeed.
It uses GDDR5 but runs at 650Mhz, not 750.
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ah, then it is 4750 with GDDR5 lol
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now i'm more confused... guess i will go back and really read through the review rather than glancing through it.
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now i'm more confused... guess i will go back and really read through the review rather than glancing through it.
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the retail specs (rumors)

4750 : 650Mhz core with 1800Mhz mem GDDR3

4770 : 750Mhz core with 3600Mhz mem GDDR5

i read from somewhere...

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the card has 128bit memory interface. gddr5 is to make up the loss memory bandwidth.
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I thought the GDDR5 was 3200...
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 16 2009, 08:35 PM)
the retail specs (rumors)

4750 : 650Mhz core with 1800Mhz mem GDDR3

4770 : 750Mhz core with 3600Mhz mem GDDR5

i read from somewhere...
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Erm, Pikachu, the one reviewed is gddr5 lah... And the name(4750) was not the official name, it was given by the reviewers. I believe it is the 4770 being sold by Zhen^wei.

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QUOTE(romulus47plus1 @ Apr 16 2009, 11:17 PM)
Erm, Pikachu, the one reviewed is gddr5 lah... And the name(4750) was not the official name, it was given by the reviewers. I believe it is the 4770 being sold by Zhen^wei.
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bro it's pikacu, not pikachu. coz he's not the cute little pokemon that u see on anime, pikacu is ugly wink.gif

sorry jk jk, a little off topic. can't resist to say
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Erm, so pikacu that I'm referring to is.... ugly?
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Hi All. Quick question: Does the Asus EAH4890 includes leather mouse pad? I bought mine and there's no mouse pad included.
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Hi All. Quick question: Does the Asus EAH4890 includes leather mouse pad? I bought mine and there's no mouse pad included.
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does yours come with a leather wallet?
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I thought the GDDR5 was 3200...
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true also, it suppose to run around 800~900 Mhz on GDDR5 , source : http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2658&sprache=1

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bro it's pikacu, not pikachu. coz he's not the cute little pokemon that u see on anime, pikacu is ugly  wink.gif

sorry jk jk, a little off topic. can't resist to say
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lul...im handsome la laugh.gif tongue.gif

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does yours come with a leather wallet?
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Gahaha damn that made my day biggrin.gif

So no leather mouse pad (and leather wallet tongue.gif) for Malaysian market?

The leather mouse pad was included in other market (I checked at newegg) :|
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QUOTE(kabler @ Apr 17 2009, 02:26 PM)
Gahaha damn that made my day biggrin.gif

So no leather mouse pad (and leather wallet tongue.gif) for Malaysian market?

The leather mouse pad was included in other market (I checked at newegg) :|
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nah, they replaced with wallet coz there were alot of bad reviews about the mouse pad.

one word, it SUX BIG TIME

just google the net
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Dude, are you messing with me? I'm more confuse now, I thought you were kidding there with the leather wallet biggrin.gif

Anyhow, I'm now a proud owner of 4890 smile.gif I'll bug you guys/gals more if i'm stuck somewhere with the card.
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QUOTE(kabler @ Apr 17 2009, 03:19 PM)
Dude, are you messing with me? I'm more confuse now, I thought you were kidding there with the leather wallet biggrin.gif

Anyhow, I'm now a proud owner of 4890 smile.gif I'll bug you guys/gals more if i'm stuck somewhere with the card.
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LOL, i'm not kidding bro. all the reviews i read, they either get a wallet or mouse pad. but im not sure whether if they are phasing out the mousepad, coz it seriously sux. and when u just look at the picture, u will know that it won't stay on the table.
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Errr.. hi guys..

some questions to ATI users. May I know if anyone here is using HD4870? If so, what's the noise level in terms of the stock fan that comes together with the brand? Say Gigabyte? smile.gif

Any advice is very much appreciated biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ConquerorX @ Apr 17 2009, 06:04 PM)
Errr.. hi guys..

some questions to ATI users. May I know if anyone here is using HD4870? If so, what's the noise level in terms of the stock fan that comes together with the brand? Say Gigabyte? smile.gif

Any advice is very much appreciated biggrin.gif
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stock fan for 4870 is kinda noisy. if u want silence, either go for HIS iceQ4, Palit sonic or gainward golden sample

P/S: not really worth to get a stock gigabyte 4870, coz it cost more or the same as those non-reference 4870 which i've just mentioned above.

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more updates from fudzilla regarding possible (or not possible?) making of 4890X2

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=c...=13228&Itemid=1
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hehe posting from my new noob rig, with 4890. is 550w psu sufficient for overclocking 4890?
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hehe posting from my new noob rig, with 4890. is 550w psu sufficient for overclocking 4890?
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i dun think 550w psu has enuf juice? eventhough its a ayam brand nor branded 1 its doesnt haf enuf juice..in order to get 4890 up and running stablely u nid at least 600w ++..but dun understand lerh ur post...ur rig using 550w to run 4890? its cukup2 nia dun OC liao
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QUOTE(ooiwbng @ Apr 18 2009, 01:30 AM)
i dun think 550w psu has enuf juice? eventhough its a ayam brand nor branded 1 its doesnt haf enuf juice..in order to get 4890 up and running stablely u nid at least 600w ++..but dun understand lerh ur post...ur rig using 550w to run 4890? its cukup2 nia dun OC liao
a true power 550w could run an overclocked HD4870x2 just fine.

so how would it not be able to run an OCed HD4890?
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but he didnt post his PSU specs...but if based on ur post i think i got my facts wrong..thx for correcting me notworthy.gif so a lil oc wont hurt rite?
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OC until your graphic card spoil also your 550w PSU also wont burst la wtf....please go read some reviews about 4890 power consumption only come and give advice to people...geez

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QUOTE(ConquerorX @ Apr 17 2009, 06:04 PM)
Errr.. hi guys..

some questions to ATI users. May I know if anyone here is using HD4870? If so, what's the noise level in terms of the stock fan that comes together with the brand? Say Gigabyte? smile.gif

Any advice is very much appreciated biggrin.gif
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hehe posting from my new noob rig, with 4890. is 550w psu sufficient for overclocking 4890?
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of coz can la. provided it's 550w true power
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hi there guys. just wanna ask, is it possible to xfire a 4890 with other series like 4870x2 or the upcoming 4890x2? hmm.gif im sorry if this question had been asked b4, just that im still a newbie in multigpu stuffs..
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just bought the HIS 4850 iceq4 turboX...was wondering if anyone else owns this card and what temps they are getting...according to ATI overdrive, my idle temp is 56c and fan is at 65%. thx!
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Apr 18 2009, 03:34 PM)
hi there guys. just wanna ask, is it possible to xfire a 4890 with other series like 4870x2 or the upcoming 4890x2? hmm.gif im sorry if this question had been asked b4, just that im still a newbie in multigpu stuffs..
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/958690/+800

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Apr 18 2009, 03:34 PM)
hi there guys. just wanna ask, is it possible to xfire a 4890 with other series like 4870x2 or the upcoming 4890x2? hmm.gif im sorry if this question had been asked b4, just that im still a newbie in multigpu stuffs..
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May just got a lil bit more interesting..
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just bought the HIS 4850 iceq4 turboX...was wondering if anyone else owns this card and what temps they are getting...according to ATI overdrive, my idle temp is 56c and fan is at 65%. thx!
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of coz can la. provided it's 550w true power
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Need true power aa? Mine is not true power 550W. In an atempt to cut cost, i bought cooler master extreme power plus. I'm using QX9650 cpu, 4 x 8cm case fans, and normal stuff like hard/dvd drive. Honestly, should i get a higher wattage PSU or can I survive with current PSU? that PSU calculator 550W is having enough juice for allt his.

Enlighten me please.
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it for ur system safety to use higher watt psu..450w n above true power i think safe...
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im using CM Extreme power 650w... is it enough to power up HD4870....
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QUOTE(kabler @ Apr 19 2009, 12:43 AM)
Need true power aa? Mine is not true power 550W. In an atempt to cut cost, i bought cooler master extreme power plus. I'm using QX9650 cpu, 4 x 8cm case fans, and normal stuff like hard/dvd drive. Honestly, should i get a higher wattage PSU or can I survive with current PSU? that PSU calculator 550W is having enough juice for allt his.

Enlighten me please.
the calculator is "always" correct, only the PSU itself, depends on the true power or non-true power which is suck to the max

QUOTE(h8dementia @ Apr 19 2009, 09:54 AM)
im using CM Extreme power 650w... is it enough to power up HD4870....
GO ATI!!  biggrin.gif
enough...
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the calculator is "always" correct, only the PSU itself, depends on the true power or non-true power which is suck to the max
enough...
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I am currently runnin a NV8800gt, thinking upgrade....any suggestion? 4770/4850/4870? definately no budget for x2 stuffs.
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I am currently runnin a NV8800gt, thinking upgrade....any suggestion? 4770/4850/4870? definately no budget for x2 stuffs.
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how bout u stayed Green and take the GTX 260 instead.
cost less than the 4870 and faster too.


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QUOTE(hilmiangah @ Apr 20 2009, 08:31 PM)
how bout u stayed Green and take the GTX 260 instead.
cost less than the 4870 and faster too.
sorry my fellow ATI-ian. whistling.gif
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HAHA go 4870 coz i know that is the best 1 u hv state there.
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Just install cat 9.4.

Every time I start my pc, the pc freezes. Can't do anything, even ctrl + alt + del. Have to wait about 3 minutes. It's like the pc is loading something too long.

Another thing, when I quit from games, got black screen. After 3 minutes, then only desktop appears. cry.gif

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Lets say i have a fren working in AMD......and he did suggest i go back Green knowing my requirement's well.......but i had the impression that ATi pic quality would negate the other shortfalls....next week i'll have a 4850 to test and will prolly decide then...sigh....not that i dont want to support ATi....BUT i am an *ntel fan and givin AMD a chance to have something reside in my PC isnt bad in my book.
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how about intel + amd?
iam using intel cpu and amd gpu... eheh
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my xfx hd4850
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67% fanspeed @ 911rpm? unbelievable shocking.gif

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wanna ask, how would a 4770 perform compared to a 4830 and 4850? since the 4770 is having some slightly higher specs and newer tech compared to those 2..
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wanna ask, how would a 4770 perform compared to a 4830 and 4850? since the 4770 is having some slightly higher specs and newer tech compared to those 2..
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There's a review by Guru3d. 4830<4770<4850.
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QUOTE(kerollowyat @ Apr 20 2009, 11:24 PM)
Just install cat 9.4.

Every time I start my pc, the pc freezes. Can't do anything, even ctrl + alt + del. Have to wait about 3 minutes. It's like the pc is loading something too long.

Another thing, when I quit from games, got black screen. After 3 minutes, then only desktop appears.  cry.gif

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@bold it seems lost signal to me, any gpuz and idle/load temp while gaming information?
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@bold it seems lost signal to me, any gpuz and idle/load temp while gaming information?
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gpuz idle temp : 62C
gpuz load temp : 71C

I've clean using driver sweeper before install new cat. Only 9.1 had no problem. 9.2 till 9.4 show same problem. Now, even some games goes to black screen at start.

Read some suggestions from other forum; disbale "server" service and reinstall NIC driver. Done that. Still have the problems.
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gpuz idle temp : 62C
gpuz load temp : 71C

I've clean using driver sweeper before install new cat. Only 9.1 had no problem. 9.2 till 9.4 show same problem. Now, even some games goes to black screen at start.

Read some suggestions from other forum; disbale "server" service and reinstall NIC driver. Done that. Still have the problems.
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any overclocking on your card?

do you mind to put some gpuz ss?
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any overclocking on your card?

do you mind to put some gpuz ss?
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@bold it seems lost signal to me, any gpuz and idle/load temp while gaming information?
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that prob happened to me while using my 4830...
i cant really solve it...i think he can use driver cleaner 1st and reinstall the driver...
or else just format...
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hmm guys having this prob ever since I've installed Vista. Wasnt able to detect my 4870 and my M2a-VM has an onboard GC which I've already disabled. Problem is it shows code 12 (conflict with another hardware which I need to disable) at the device manager list yellow "!".

I further installed a Northbridge driver(not knowing what this is) from ATI and it starts popping this error msg "Unable to find the correct driver for this hardware". Installed the latest driver still the same. Check the list again, still not showing 4870.

Reformat back to XP, problem solved. Craving for DX10 and less-crashing-os-vista but this is preventing me to do so.

Any advices?

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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Apr 21 2009, 07:21 AM)
hmm guys having this prob ever since I've installed Vista. Wasnt able to detect my 4870 and my M2a-VM has an onboard GC which I've already disabled. Problem is it shows code 12 (conflict with another hardware which I need to disable) at  the device manager list yellow "!".

I further installed a Northbridge driver(not knowing what this is) from ATI and it starts popping this error msg "Unable to find the correct driver for this hardware". Installed the latest driver still the same. Check the list again, still not showing 4870.

Reformat back to XP, problem solved. Craving for DX10 and less-crashing-os-vista but this is preventing me to do so.

Any advices?
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do u download the right catalyst version of ur os?
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that prob happened to me while using my 4830...
i cant really solve it...i think he can use driver cleaner 1st and reinstall the driver...
or else just format...
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Already done that. No luck.
Not yet format though.

Maybe I'll format and install windows 7 beta. sweat.gif
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do u download the right catalyst version of ur os?
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Yes I did, and it still phailed...

Do I need to install Northbridge drivers? Whats northbridge anyway...
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67% fanspeed @ 911rpm? unbelievable  shocking.gif
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unbelievable? why?
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most reference card would be spinning at 1500-2000rpm at that percentage already. hence the XFX cooler's fan is good. low rpm = low noise thumbup.gif very impressive
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Haha. 550W coller master extreme power plus is taking it's toll. I overclocked QX9650 to 3.6GHz 1.225V, DDR2 1000MHz 2.0V, and 4890 to a measly 900MHz and voila, the screen just blacked out tongue.gif

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Btw guys, how do u guys change the fan speed of the GC itself?
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can i use rivatuner for ATi gpu, i wanted to use its vista sidebar temp and clock monitoring, Is it possible? can it work like its being use for nvidia gpu?
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Every section got pro ass, this section i spot pikacu. Wahaha.
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Btw guys, how do u guys change the fan speed of the GC itself?
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i thought u r the Guru...
anyway just use rivatuner to set fan speed...
and y do u need to set the fan speed??
for me, if u running at stock, just set to auto...
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ATI CCC can control fan
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Mayb i m using the old version yet i din even search for a new 1. N i m not kidding with u.
I m using CCC 9.4 but i cant c their is any.. Mayb my card is old.

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come i teach u...
go DL the latest and i'll teach u...
just only by clicking less than 5 times...
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i thought u r the Guru...
anyway just use rivatuner to set fan speed...
and y do u need to set the fan speed??
for me, if u running at stock, just set to auto...
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N 4 ur information i din say i m guru if u read my last few post clearly, but i did said i spot a pro from this particular thread n he was "PIKACU"

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just DL the rivatuner...
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u can use ccc ...
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But my CCC dint even shows that kind of function..
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Huh, don really understand waht u r trying to say.
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Mayb i m using the old version yet i din even search for a new 1. N i m not kidding with u.
I m using CCC 9.4 but i cant c their is any.. Mayb my card is old.
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This is 4k Series thread.
AFAIK, the fan control in CCC will only work for 4k Series.
Unless registry tweak is done on it like this:

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Rivatuner is much easier than this. Why? because google can always guide u
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 21 2009, 05:59 PM)
most reference card would be spinning at 1500-2000rpm at that percentage already. hence the XFX cooler's fan is good. low rpm = low noise thumbup.gif very impressive
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i dont think this is reference card. because reference card hd 4850 use single slot, it more hotter. this xfx hd4850 double slot just new release and they using their own heatsink design which much more cooler since there are many complaint about its hot temperature. refer to this source

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This is 4k Series thread.
AFAIK, the fan control in CCC will only work for 4k Series.
Unless registry tweak is done on it like this:

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Rivatuner is much easier than this. Why? because google can always guide u
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=ri...&meta=&aq=f&oq=
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4830 Compare With 3870, 4850 & 8800GTs G92

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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 22 2009, 12:05 AM)
i dont think this is reference card. because reference card hd 4850 use single slot, it more hotter. this xfx hd4850 double slot just new release and they using their own heatsink design which much more cooler since there are many complaint about its hot temperature. refer to this source
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Since when did i say xfx 4890 is a reference card? smile.gif

I was comparing xfx 4890 and other reference 4890 smile.gif
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how much temperature u ppl get with HD 4850 ? state down ur card brand and then ur idle and load temperature??
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Guys wanna ask something. I'm interested in the 4870x2 cards performance (who wouldn't) but is it advisable for me to change from a 4890 to that particular card?

I heard there's a lot of problem with the x2 card but I don't know anything for sure because it's from google and I trust Lowyat members more.

So Sifus, what is the most important thing I should know before I buy an X2 card.

need help here....... again~
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how about buy another HD4890 and crossfire it?

4890 CF better than 4870x2
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QUOTE(gto87 @ Apr 22 2009, 12:42 PM)
Guys wanna ask something. I'm interested in the 4870x2 cards performance (who wouldn't) but is it advisable for me to change from a 4890 to that particular card?

I heard there's a lot of problem with the x2 card but I don't know anything for sure because it's from google and I trust Lowyat members more.

So Sifus, what is the most important thing I should know before I buy an X2 card.

need help here....... again~
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your psu.. your psu must be good enough.. your casing.. for the air flow.. full tower is the best...
my friend using this card... not really a big problem, and make sure u have got good cooler for this crazy temp card.

but for now you're currently using 4890, i think it wasn't neccesary to change.. depend what term you use that card for.
mine still using single HD4870 and still satisfied.
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4830 Compare With 3870, 4850 & 8800GTs G92

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Bro Seamonster u no nid to ask all those low end de lor... I know u got the potential to buy very very high end card..Y interested those that we r interested with le? HAHA
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just found out that the latest LYP (pczone) pricelist has included 4770 with the price tag "new" and lost the sight of 4830.
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how about buy another HD4890 and crossfire it?

4890 CF better than 4870x2
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I was thinking the same until I read about some problems with the crossfire on the HD4890 thread in Lowyat. I'm not worrying about micro stuttering and stuffs, all I worried about is can I play most of the new games with this setup?
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your psu.. your psu must be good enough.. your casing..  for the air flow.. full tower is the best...
my friend using this card... not really a big problem, and make sure u have got good cooler for this crazy temp card.

but for now you're currently using 4890, i think it wasn't neccesary to change.. depend what term you use that card for.
mine still using single HD4870 and still satisfied.
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Hurm. Crysis has poisened me bro~ doh.gif

I wanna play smooth in all very high setting. Maybe I have to learn control myself and do crossfire instead later. hahaha~

Heard that CF heat consumption is higher than the X2 card, is it true? How hot are we talking about?

I'm using acbel M8, no idea whether it can support or not. (I'm still doing research about this stuff) but please do help me sort out this CF problems maybe it'll come in handy for other users to. icon_rolleyes.gif

Planning to do it in next month.

Thanks for the info guys~
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Hello fellow ATI users,
Im new here and i need some hints on choosing my gcards. I hope i will not be ignored cuz i know this question is quite common in the whole thread.

Im going to buy a gcard soon but i really cant make up my mind.

Ive always been using Nvidia and now ive heard that HD4870 1GB surpasses Nvidia's cards of the same range. Therefore, Im here to find out more about it.

The question is

Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 VS XFX GeForce GTX 260 Black Edition Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3

Which do you guys think is better? and Thanks in advance. Appreciate your opinions.

P/s: Which manufacturer would you guys advice me to buy if i were to get HD4870? I heard Sapphire is not bad...

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First Radeon HD 4770 Benchmark Goes Alive

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Set to take the place of Radeon HD 4830, Radeon HD 4770 is powered by 640 stream processors, GDDR5 memory and core/memory clock of 750/800MHz (3200MHz, DDR). Thanks to the 40nm manufacturing process, AMD has managed to control the maximum TDP under 80W.

Fortunately, we’ve got hands on Radeon HD 4770 and given it a quick test. We’ve adopted Core i7 platform for the test, and the setting is the same as that in our review of 800SP Radeon HD 4830.

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As we can see, Radeon HD 4770 shows a 3DMark Vantage/GPU Score of P8086/6639, compared with P8367/6891 found on HD 4850, which means HD 4770 only lags behind HD 4850 by 3.47/3.79%. If you wanna learn more about HD 4770’s gaming performance and power consumption, please pay close attention to our complete review later.
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QUOTE(paktsung @ Apr 22 2009, 06:44 PM)
Hello fellow ATI users,
Im new here and i need some hints on choosing my gcards. I hope i will not be ignored cuz i know this question is quite common in the whole thread.

Im going to buy a gcard soon but i really cant make up my mind.

Ive always been using Nvidia and now ive heard that HD4870 1GB surpasses Nvidia's cards of the same range. Therefore, Im here to find out more about it.

The question is

Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 VS XFX GeForce GTX 260 Black Edition Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3

Which do you guys think is better? and Thanks in advance. Appreciate your opinions.

P/s: Which manufacturer would you guys advice me to buy if i were to get HD4870? I heard Sapphire is not bad...
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Hurm.. I'll help you as much as I can. Ok here goes.....

Depends on what game you gonna play, all I can say it's on par with the GTX260 216 (because the difference is too small).

To be more specific I think 260 wins slightly in most games but like I said before it comes down to what games you gonna play with the cards. Again I wanna stress the word slight here, you will get just 5 or 7 FPS difference . (I tested both in a pc that have the exact same spec so I'm sorry if it doesn't have the same result with any benchmarking that were done by pros) whistling.gif

But I bought the 4870 anyway because it's way more cheaper than the GTX260 216. brows.gif Don't have any idea about the current price though~

But instead of going for 4870, why not you go for 4890, It's a good card and it's better than those two I mentioned before and it has a better overclocking solution which is really worth more than what you gonna pay for it.

Yes mate, for me, Sapphire is one of the most reliable manufacturer for ATI. You can try Asus but you have to add more $$. tongue.gif

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Guys, My ASUS HD4830 when idle 500/750 (core/mem.) is that normal??

Added on April 22, 2009, 9:08 pmlol i though 4770 no need external power connector?

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I was thinking the same until I read about some problems with the crossfire on the HD4890 thread in Lowyat. I'm not worrying about micro stuttering and stuffs, all I worried about is can I play most of the new games with this setup?
Hurm. Crysis has poisened me bro~ doh.gif

I wanna play smooth in all very high setting. Maybe I have to learn control myself and do crossfire instead later. hahaha~

Heard that CF heat consumption is higher than the X2 card, is it true? How hot are we talking about?

I'm using acbel M8, no idea whether it can support or not. (I'm still doing research about this stuff) but please do help me sort out this CF problems maybe it'll come in handy for other users to.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Planning to do it in next month.

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comparing 4870 CF vs 4807x2, 4870x2 indeed have lower power consumption at load,

but according to this article, 4890 CF consume less power than 4870x2 on load, while the performance better than 4870x2

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Guys, My ASUS HD4830 when idle 500/750 (core/mem.) is that normal??

Added on April 22, 2009, 9:08 pmlol i though 4770 no need external power connector?
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It is normal, my 4830 idle at 160/250 laugh.gif

4770 need power connector just to be safe..as it only consume 80w (PCIe slot max power = 75w)

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really so why mine so high when idle??
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humm, depends on the brand..

HIS card idle clock same as yours

so far i only see Sapphire card idle at that damn low clock laugh.gif
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really so why mine so high when idle??
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obviously he modded the bios
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One more prob(maybe) guys,
ASUS HD4830 Fan speed reading error with GPUz





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One more prob(maybe) guys,
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comparing 4870 CF vs 4807x2, 4870x2 indeed have lower power consumption at load,

but according to this article, 4890 CF consume less power than 4870x2 on load, while the performance better than 4870x2

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So can my PSU (Acbel M8) support the 4890 CF?
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Just install cat 9.4.

Every time I start my pc, the pc freezes. Can't do anything, even ctrl + alt + del. Have to wait about 3 minutes. It's like the pc is loading something too long.

Another thing, when I quit from games, got black screen. After 3 minutes, then only desktop appears.  cry.gif

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After numerous trial and error, I found that the Creative SB sound driver is causing the slow down of the ATI card. Thus, causing the freeze and black screen.
So, uninstalled both Creative sound driver and ATI driver. Install the Cat 9.4 first, then install the sound driver. Now, everything is working fine.
Not sure its working 100% problem free.

Hmm, whenever I had problem with my pc, it's always caused by the Creative sound driver.

My HD4870 GPUz temp:

Idle : 55C
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What is MEMIO? The temp is 75C
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Yes mate, for me, Sapphire is one of the most reliable manufacturer for ATI. You can try Asus but you have to add more $$.  tongue.gif
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asus gc more expensive than sapphire, same as gigabyte and xfx....what about powerful.? good or not
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Well..I would say an overclocked HD 4770 should beat HD 4850 which straight it might little slow than 9800GTX + biggrin.gif
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Pretty impressive result and almost catching up with the GTX 260. This card is certainly suitable for gamers on a small budget.
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4770 would beat 4850? as u say, 4770 overclocked right? and what if 4850 overclocked? its the same thing. Overclock and non overclock, we cant compare it that way right? agree?
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how much is 4770 now?
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The heat of HD 5000 Series!..
nVidia has quite nice too

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HD5000 series will come out so soon?
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How do i compare Palit HD 4870 Sonic 512D5 with this 4770?
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The heat of HD 5000 Series!..
nVidia has quite nice too

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i more concern bout gaming performance tongue.gif
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Any1 Can Show Me The Performance Between

4770 Vs 4850 Vs 4870 Vs 260GTx ?

ThankYou. .

Friend Want To Buy New Gc, Asking My Opinion Lol
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The heat of HD 5000 Series!..
nVidia has quite nice too

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hmm..What do u guys think? sweat.gif
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from the look of it.... seems like GT300 is one monster though....

but if we look back at GT200, we all had the same perception that time too. guess 5870X2 or 5890 will come for the rescue thumbup.gif
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AMD Catalyst Control Center is the only utility for now which enable users to adjust HD 4770’s clocks. Improved the core/memory clock as high as possible - 830/850MHz (3400MHz DDR), and then run 3DMark Vantage benchmark.

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As you can see above, HD 4770 scored P8760 under Performance Mode, which sees 8.34% increase compared with P8086 (default) according to our quick test yesterday, while X3365 under Extreme Mode, showing 9.32% increase compared with X3078 (default).


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May i ask if HD4770 is better than HD4850 ( non OC)
HD4770=420
HD4850=469

also, 4850 requires 450watts and above, if i use 500w non oc no problem right
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HD 4770 is slightly slower..around 4% only.But if overclocked should on par/surpass HD4850 smile.gif
The good thing is,HD 4770 only consume 80Watt biggrin.gif
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May i ask if HD4770 is better than HD4850 ( non OC)
HD4770=420
HD4850=469

also, 4850 requires 450watts and above, if i use 500w non oc no problem right
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HD 4770 is slightly slower..around 4% only.But if overclocked should on par/surpass HD4850 smile.gif
The good thing is,HD 4770 only consume 80Watt biggrin.gif
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hmm i wonder will it sound like a hairdryer @ 100% fan? coz 4890 sounds like 1 @ 100%
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i just manual tune my gpu fans with 100%.. a bit noisy .. ahah.. normal use 66% only.
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guys, i ever wonder if my HD4830(pic below) support HDMI or not..it's doesn't come with HDMI port or adapter..even doesn't have SPDIF port on the board(PCB)?? icon_question.gif blush.gif

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My Hd3870 last time is very silent that i dont even know i on my comp... but now HD4850 with auto fan speed is really really really super noisy...i mean i feel like back to my pentium 4 era XD




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My Hd3870 last time is very silent that i dont even know i on my comp... but now HD4850 with auto fan speed is really really really super noisy...i mean i feel like back to my pentium 4 era XD
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guys, i ever wonder if my HD4830(pic below) support HDMI or not..it's doesn't come with HDMI port or adapter..even doesn't have SPDIF port on the board(PCB)?? icon_question.gif  blush.gif
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should support as u just need the HDMI dongle to be fitted to the DVI out thumbup.gif my 4850 i use HDMI to connect to HDTV
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4770 is gddr5 right?but how come pricelist in pr-zone put ddr3 only?.. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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i guess it comes with various memory configurations to sell it cheaper



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4770 is gddr5 right?but how come pricelist in pr-zone put ddr3 only?.. sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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What is MEMIO? The temp is 75C
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ATI is really trying to hit the low end market with 4770/750
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Darn, 4770 OCs to 875Mhz stable.

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i think if we play it on high resolution.... 4850 still own...of coz dun mention 4870...

but in term of normal 19' or 22' monitor playing.... 4770 is better for nowadays gaming.... what i think lar...not true also since what i heard 4770 can OC very good and stable which bring it to the lvl on par with 4850 ....and of coz its 40nm tech : )!!!
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first hd 4770 review out (apart from the Guru3D one)

http://en.expreview.com/2009/04/24/first-r...99-monster.html
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damn the 4770 hsf is fugly, but this is to be expected because of the low retail price of that card, u cant expect heatpipe hsf on a usd 99 gc can u
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damn the 4770 hsf is fugly, but this is to be expected because of the low retail price of that card, u cant expect heatpipe hsf on a usd 99 gc can u
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if amd use that hsf for 4770 reference gc then the price will be more than rm450
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It is priced on RM 400 smile.gif..
Why u said like that?
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It is priced on RM 400 smile.gif..
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i said if ati used the hsf which they showed on their publicity slides of the 4770 then the price will be higher than rm450...
so, to keep price down, that's why they used that fugly hsf
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58xx series in late July or early August?

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It can and it will..But the main thing is..GT300 is a nasty monster to RV870 biggrin.gif
Here some "Unconfirmed/rumored" specs..

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It can and it will..But the main thing is..GT300 is a nasty monster to RV870 biggrin.gif
Here some "Unconfirmed/rumored" specs..

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Source : http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/...s-revealed.aspx
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wow one 5870 > 4870X2

the figures for the next gen GC will never stop to amaze me...
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It can and it will..But the main thing is..GT300 is a nasty monster to RV870 biggrin.gif
Here some "Unconfirmed/rumored" specs..

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wonder if 5890 GPU speed..

hurm 1 Ghz and above? icon_idea.gif
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wonder wat price it will be...
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guys...i wanna ask something here...if we normally play on a 22" wide screen monitor... what is the diff between 4870 and 5870 or 5890 then??? i bet i will be having the same FPS rite??? only if we play on a super giant monitor with high resolution and FULL HD...only it will affect rite???
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QUOTE(kuance @ Apr 25 2009, 04:31 PM)
guys...i wanna ask something here...if we normally play on a 22" wide screen monitor... what is the diff between 4870 and 5870 or 5890 then??? i bet i will be having the same FPS rite??? only if we play on a super giant monitor with high resolution and FULL HD...only it will affect rite???
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Do list out the rest of yer pc specification, as no point getting uber videocard with underpowered cpu.

Btw, yer 22" lcd monitor resolution its 1680x1050 rite?..

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Do list out the rest of yer pc specification, as no point getting uber videocard with underpowered cpu.

Btw, yer 22" lcd monitor resolution its 1680x1050 rite?..

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yeah... my spec...

EP45-UD3R
E4500 C2D (going to change soon)
2GB ram
Window XP
750Gb hardisc space.
460W extreme power CoolerMaster.

from benchmarking... i see there is a significant improve from HD3870 to HD4850. Previously i am using 3870.... and now i changed to HD4850.... but in my gaming experience....nothing much diff >< Call of duty 4,5 , Assasin Creed.... but Crysis got much improve la....other all so so only.
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QUOTE(kuance @ Apr 25 2009, 05:05 PM)
yeah... my spec...

EP45-UD3R
E4500 C2D (going to change soon)
2GB ram
Window XP
750Gb hardisc space.
460W extreme power CoolerMaster.

from benchmarking... i see there is a significant improve from HD3870 to HD4850.  Previously i am using 3870.... and now i changed to HD4850.... but in my gaming experience....nothing much diff >< Call of duty 4,5 , Assasin Creed.... but Crysis got much improve la....other all so so only.
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Imo, normally if u can't see much difference from 3870 to 4850, meaning yer cpu bottleneck.

So, imo u either overclock yer cpu to at least 3ghz if u can, or get a new cpu upgrade, then u'll noticed the performance differences as yer current cpu its restricting yer 4850 performance.

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Remember that is rumored spec..I still wonder it thou tongue.gif
Price i think same as before..(how much HD 4870 in the first?)
And we will be seeing HD 4870 priced around RM 600 soon tongue.gif
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Hmm... now i am using E4500 which is just 2.2Ghz....

Is it recommended to change to E7400?? because my budget is real low now.
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E7400 is only slight slower compare to E8XXX series. just smaller cache and lower fsb but same architecture. hence E7400 is a good choice smile.gif
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Hmm... now i am using E4500 which is just 2.2Ghz....

Is it recommended to change to E7400?? because my budget is real low now.
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change to HD4890
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coz this is a HD4000 series thread
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yeah... my spec...

EP45-UD3R
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460W extreme power CoolerMaster.

from benchmarking... i see there is a significant improve from HD3870 to HD4850.  Previously i am using 3870.... and now i changed to HD4850.... but in my gaming experience....nothing much diff >< Call of duty 4,5 , Assasin Creed.... but Crysis got much improve la....other all so so only.
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i think nothing difference in COD4,5 & Assasin creed is bcoz 3870 is enuf for max setting smile.gif correct me if im wrong
crysis is a demand game, so thats why u can see its improved performance
mayb u can check the fps, im sure the fps gains greatly after u use 4850
E7400 is enuf IMO bcoz u wont see the difference between E8xxx & E7xxx in most time

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guys wanna ask, is the 4770>4830 ?
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Any idea when wil HD 4770 launch to the market?
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guys wanna ask, is the 4770>4830 ?
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hope this answers ur questions..
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Guys if the memory of the HD4770 lower than HD4850 will it got much different?
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4770 is a good card, the performance is a whopping 10% + increase over 4830 and 10% less than 4850 according to a china website.
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Correct, 4770 is great for budget user, it's even better than 4830. If you OC it, it will be in the realm of 4850.
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Why my ASUS EAH4830 doesn't have manual fan control speed in CCC??

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Why my ASUS EAH4830 doesn't have manual fan control speed in CCC??
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then just use rivatuner for the ffan speed control?
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Weird, all those 4800 series that use reference design sure can control the fan speed one. May be need to use like Rivatuner like kuance said.
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Why my ASUS EAH4830 doesn't have manual fan control speed in CCC??
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Its your 4830 a reference card?.. coz if urs those pre-overclock or even at times using different bios, the CCC can't recognized your card, so can't manual fan control speed.

Isn't Asus themself has their own utility/software for adjusting their own videocard?.. or am i mistaken for other brands.. tongue.gif

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Why my ASUS EAH4830 doesn't have manual fan control speed in CCC??
Reinstall that crappy CCC
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orait guys, i think i should install the Asus SmartDoctor software first..will see how later..thanks
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what the.. no wonder la you're not even using the card's own software
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Hi newbie here...
I saw in website HD4770 performance better than Nvidia 9800GT n d price cheaper. At my area shop 9800GT 1GB selling RM599. But all my fren recommended me take ATI...
I would like ask which model is good 2 use on my setup as below. Now still survey on parts...

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650
Arctic Cooling Freeze 7 Pro Heatsink
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"Others still survey"

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Of course HD4770 is better than 9800GT since its better than HD 4830.
Take HD4770 anytime.. biggrin.gif
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Not start from HD4k series all their fan speed can b adjust by CCC?
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Lol....like what forumer say...4770 is 10% slower than 4850 only..which is very very sufficient for great gaming but lower budget... smile.gif
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How much is the HD 4770 yea? Izit available in low yat now?
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Hi newbie here...
I saw in website HD4770 performance better than Nvidia 9800GT n d price cheaper. At my area shop 9800GT 1GB selling RM599. But all my fren recommended me take ATI...
I would like ask which model is good 2 use on my setup as below. Now still survey on parts...

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650
Arctic Cooling Freeze 7 Pro Heatsink
Gigabyte EP45-UD3L
Corsair Gaming Ram 800Mhz 4GB
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RM599 for 9800GT is total rip-off.

better take HD4770 in your case, can save the budget for something else
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Hi newbie here...
I saw in website HD4770 performance better than Nvidia 9800GT n d price cheaper. At my area shop 9800GT 1GB selling RM599. But all my fren recommended me take ATI...
I would like ask which model is good 2 use on my setup as below. Now still survey on parts...

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650
Arctic Cooling Freeze 7 Pro Heatsink
Gigabyte EP45-UD3L
Corsair Gaming Ram 800Mhz 4GB
"Others still survey"
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9800GT for RM599? that guy tried to to eat you alive? u sure it's not 9800GTX+?

btw, if u can afford to buy QX9650. might as well get core i7 920 and X58 mobo

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RM599 for 9800GT is total rip-off.

better take HD4770 in your case, can save the budget for something else
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But 4770 will launch in May rite? I'm searching on it now. smile.gif

QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 27 2009, 11:31 PM)
9800GT for RM599? that guy tried to to eat you alive? u sure it's not 9800GTX+?

btw, if u can afford to buy QX9650. might as well get core i7 920 and X58 mobo
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I also felt 9800 is expensive. Its price from computer shop.
Ady got QX8650 so just continue d rest of d parts lo... cry.gif
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Better take 4770 .. PC Zone price list (download from lowyat.net) does not state how much anyway.. stated there NEW.
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Hi guys, which is the recommended 4850 (i.e. asus, palit, sapphire ...) in terms of good cooling and performance?
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Of course HD4770 is better than 9800GT since its better than HD 4830.
Take HD4770 anytime.. biggrin.gif
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4770 CF tested by expreview
Easily take down a single card 4890 , take note that cost of 2 piece 4770 is still cheaper than a 4890
English version coming soon

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4770 final review

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4770 final review

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great.. peak ~300W..
waiting 40nm highend gpu news..

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Hi guys, which is the recommended 4850 (i.e. asus, palit, sapphire ...) in terms of good cooling and performance?
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gainward 4850GS v2.. (heatsink - copper & heatpipe - aluminium)
OCed, load temp <60C

first release all copper heatsink prone to crash..

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This is the one ?
http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...ic-card-review/
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Apr 28 2009, 01:03 PM)
great.. peak ~300W..
waiting 40nm highend gpu news..

Added on April 28, 2009, 1:07 pm

gainward 4850GS v2.. (heatsink - copper & heatpipe - aluminium)
OCed, load temp <60C

first release all copper heatsink prone to crash..
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what you mean by prone to crash ?
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some report on temp/overheating problem etc..

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This is the one ?
http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...ic-card-review/
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GS is golden sample.. clocked @ 700/1000 instead of 625/993
with customs cooler..

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I think I'm a little late but. Radeon HD 4770 reviews are finally out!
Here's a list.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=222693
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if only 256bit n 1gb ram.. fiu.. GODLIKE!

much surprised on CF <350W onload..
my psu can survive! - lol
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you 350w < but have u considered ur hard disks, mobo and cpu ?

lol i wouldnt want 2 load 100% 400w , sure die later smile.gif
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15 website HD4770 REVIEW

http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?sho...s=26092&catid=2
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ENERMAX Liberty ELT400AWT (400watt)

you 350w < but have u considered ur hard disks, mobo and cpu ?

lol i wouldnt want 2 load 100% 400w , sure die later smile.gif
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that's total power consumption.. u think i power up my rig without those component?
my total load just ~280W btw.. with 400W pure power psu is plain safe..
u should try it first... nod.gif
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QUOTE(xk2 @ Apr 28 2009, 11:52 AM)
4770 CF tested by expreview
Easily take down a single card 4890 , take note that cost of 2 piece 4770 is still cheaper than a 4890
English version coming soon
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Yeah.. I feel a little regret buying my 4890 lol. I could save RM 90 but get extra 10% performance. Then again, I need a CF board (haiz biostar TA790GX was not in stock that time. Best value for money board ever.)
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Nah, the 4890 pricing in MY is enticing enough to not get dual 4770s.



Still waiting on the results of that 4890- design competition. laugh.gif If I win then I might keep/sell depending on how badly I want an Xbox biggrin.gif
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well.. wait for 4770x2 if any..
with some additional ram n nice cooler..
time to move to big screen..
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well.. wait for 4770x2 if any..
with some additional ram n nice cooler..
time to move to big screen..
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if they add more ram and put a nice looking cooler, of course the price not cheap anymore.. hmm.gif
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cooler at least with pre-OC.. 70C is hot for this one.. even in the idle...
otherwise sure the fan is noisy.. better cooler will reduce the temp more..

the price is not that high compare to custom 4850..
same cooler can be used i think..
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QUOTE(blindbox @ Apr 28 2009, 03:39 PM)
Yeah.. I feel a little regret buying my 4890 lol. I could save RM 90 but get extra 10% performance. Then again, I need a CF board (haiz biostar TA790GX was not in stock that time. Best value for money board ever.)
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at least single gpu graphic card is better than dual-gpu graphic card & CF/SLI tongue.gif
CF also consume more spaces than usual, and hence air flow might not so good & temp rise tongue.gif
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4890 just like OCed 4870..
more heat n more power wasted..

u will be surprised if compare them with 4770 CF..
ur CF/SLI statement is too broad..
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English ver.
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4770CF performance sounds like perform more than gtx285?
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4770CF performance sounds like perform more than gtx285?
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almost maybe -2%.. if 3dvantage to take place..
but still nice..
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English ver.
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shit... that's some really mean scores. can consider buying the 4770 CF setup rather than GTX 285 already drool.gif
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English ver.
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This is a surprising result for me.
I am wondering how much differences between HD4850 CF and HD4770 CF.
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lucky i didnt buy 4870 for CF haha............ this 4770 seems to be very good bargain for me lol
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lucky i didnt buy 4870 for CF haha............ this 4770 seems to be very good bargain for me lol
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Asus has the first overclocked HD 4770
Up to 971MHz with Voltage Tweak

Asus is so far the only partner to announce an overclocked HD 4770 card. The card has reference cooling but it is overclocked to 800MHz for the GPU.

In addition to the reference clocked card which works at 750MHz for the core and 3.2GHz for 512MB of GDDR5 memory, Asus has launched a TOP edition which is overclocked to 800MHz for the GPU and 3.4GHz for the same memory.

This is a 50MHz overclock for both the GPU and memory, and Asus is currently the only partner that has an overclocked card, at least as far as we know. Another interesting thing is that Asus included its Voltage Tweak Technology with the Asus EAH4770 TOP card which raises the GPU voltage from 0.95V to 1.2V. This voltage boost is enough to raise GPU and memory frequencies from 800MHz to 971MHz and from 3400MHz to 4600MHz.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=c...=13401&Itemid=1

I know these are limits, but LOL WHUT the same.

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oh man....technology is moving really fast
the only consolation for a 4890 user like me is at least i played for several weeks b4 this 4770 CF arrive

and that i have a room for 4890 CF sweat.gif
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according to guru3d.4770 pawns gts250 in vantage.
never thought in cf mode it nearly beat gtx285?

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Oh and, regarding my CF statement, I take that back. The main problem with 4770 CF platform is the lack of video memory. I'm even getting GTA IV out of video memory errors here with 1 GB of graphic ram.
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QUOTE(blindbox @ Apr 28 2009, 09:07 PM)
Oh and, regarding my CF statement, I take that back. The main problem with 4770 CF platform is the lack of video memory. I'm even getting GTA IV out of video memory errors here with 1 GB of graphic ram.
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hey there, plz google your problem before saying that your 1gb graphic card is out of memory, that is not because of your graphic card problem.
Try google it and there is a small file to download which to tweak your registry file. It is non of ur GC problem.
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hmm since price for 4770 is quiet cheap..crossfiring is gud idea ka??
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QUOTE(BigSaver @ Apr 28 2009, 11:21 PM)
hmm since price for 4770 is quiet cheap..crossfiring is gud idea ka??
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I'm not sure but you can have a read here.

http://vr-zone.com/forums/424580/2-x-4770-beat-gtx-285-.html
http://en.expreview.com/2009/04/28/first-l...-benchmark.html

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what difference between dual slot cooler with single slot cooler..?

quite pening reviewing in the net cry.gif
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er... double slot runs cooler? and single slot runs hotter?
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QUOTE(User_Xp @ Apr 29 2009, 12:08 AM)
what difference between dual slot cooler with single slot cooler..?

quite pening reviewing in the net  cry.gif
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 29 2009, 12:18 AM)
er... double slot runs cooler? and single slot runs hotter?
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lol - actually the heatsink taking double of expansion place/slot
some no gap mobo layout will result the pci/pci-e slot being wasted..

mean.. that gpu need more space - 1 for gpu 1 for big heatsink..
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more space = more air flowing = more cooler
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more space = more air flowing = more cooler
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actually if consume more space.. will cramp the air flow..
if CF more cluttered..

need to consider the installation for ventilating which suit ur parts..
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actually, depend, i cant 100% agree with u but there is ur point there. depend on diff user and diff slot usage
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actually, depend, i cant 100% agree with u but there is ur point there. depend on diff user and diff slot usage
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state ur point then..

maybe u not understand on these words..
"need to consider the installation for ventilating which suit ur parts.. "
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ventilating? its mean the internal air flow in the cpu ma... rite??? thats why i say... if ur card is 2 slot card. it force u to "waste" one slot....and its for better air ventilating rite?
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4770 great card..will be getting 1 soon
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4770's performance is so close to 4850 lah.
Crossfiring it= less than rm800 =uber woot!
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ventilating? its mean the internal air flow in the cpu ma... rite??? thats why i say... if ur card is 2 slot card. it force u to "waste" one slot....and its for better air ventilating rite?
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now i got what u meant.. but i'm explaining on the other way around..
let say when u xFire it.. with double slot gpu.. the gap between them is too close..

please take note that the back of the gpu take more heat..
that's normally ppl don't care about.. with not so good air flow sure will raise the temp even more..

unless we can find better mobo layout which got ample space between them..

with single slot shouldn't have any issue if the heatsink itself is good..
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AMD raise the price of 4770 ?

It has been widely known that AMD was claimed 4770 is the fastest card at $99 before it launched, but recently we can see that in major store 4770 are selling for $109.99 , regardless wat brand. The increased price from AMD might cause some buyer lost their interested for the new 4770.

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ANy1 know how much is low yat selling 4770 now?
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the price came form AMD?
maybe depends on the seller..
what's wrong with that 10bucks btw?

if ppl sell 2nd 4850 with that price.. better grab 4770..
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what difference between dual slot cooler with single slot cooler..?
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dual slot cooler is more sexy than single slot cooler...its like comparing with airport and large melons laugh.gif so the bigger the slot the better rclxms.gif
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oi.. skylinegtr34rule4life that is not true if u going more then 3 slot lol....... too big already lol

Ati is giving usd 10 buck mail in rebate mah, make it still usd 99.99....
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3 slot can put 'tikus' inside - lol

really meh got rebate?
just think a little bit price increase is for a short period of time only..
later all buy short of supply.. so early birds need to pay extra.. haha..
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QUOTE(kenz002 @ Apr 29 2009, 02:56 PM)
ANy1 know how much is low yat selling 4770 now?
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Rm 385 from sapphire. Rockrock.
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Apr 29 2009, 12:49 PM)
now i got what u meant.. but i'm explaining on the other way around..
let say when u xFire it.. with double slot gpu.. the gap between them is too close..

please take note that the back of the gpu take more heat..
that's normally ppl don't care about.. with not so good air flow sure will raise the temp even more..

unless we can find better mobo layout which got ample space between them..

with single slot shouldn't have any issue if the heatsink itself is good..
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thanks for ur detail explaination, i've misunderstood it...

Added on April 29, 2009, 5:50 pmRM385 new? WOW! that is super cheap....

even 4850 second hand cant reach that price now...

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QUOTE(xk2 @ Apr 29 2009, 01:53 PM)
AMD raise the price of 4770 ?

It has been widely known that AMD was claimed 4770 is the fastest card at $99 before it launched, but recently we can see that in major store 4770 are selling for $109.99 , regardless wat brand. The increased price  from AMD might cause some buyer lost their interested for the new 4770.

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Nah, at malaysia the price is around $99 (quoting from rockrock price)
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lol....direct convert? so how much is it now?
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So, Im getting a new graphic card and I need some opinion on this. Im getting HD4850 and reviews going around saying that HD4770 is equivalent but yet cheaper. Enlighten me on this part, should I or should I not go for HD4850

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HD4850 superior by 5%

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if u ask me, i would go for 4770..with a lil overclocking, 4770 could erase that 5% difference thumbup.gif
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if u ask me, i would go for 4770..with a lil overclocking, 4770 could erase that 5% difference thumbup.gif
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I dont know how to overclock and I dont think my rig can handle it.
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Apr 29 2009, 08:50 PM)
I dont know how to overclock and I dont think my rig can handle it.
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u can easily do it with AMD OverDrive or ATi Tray Tool
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But I still dont believe that my rig can handle it. It can be done, but it cant stand. T_T

so, MSI 7325 K9N4 Mobo
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I only have RM600 to spend on graphic and the rest for others

Will this work?

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wat do u mean your rig cant handle it? overclock affects the card only. how does overclocking the card negatively affect your system?

if cost is not a problem for you, then get the 4850.
4770 is cheaper with performance that is not far off 4850
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if u ask me, i would go for 4770..with a lil overclocking, 4770 could erase that 5% difference thumbup.gif
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i always dont get this kind of statement
why always compare un-OC with an OC when the other one can always OC to compare fairly?
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Well if 4770 can performs on par with 4850, it's a great choice.
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HEY hey, actually a 5% diff is nothing.... u cant even see with ur own rough eyes for those fps diff....maybe 1 fps diff?? so dun argue too much on 4850 or 4770.... both are good card...

if u CF both 4850 and 4770... i bet 4850 will win more on 4770 ....but remember that 4770 is using 40nm board....which is good...

so...its ur own choice...for me..i'll go for 4770 for better money....
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What about the price difference between a 4770 and a 4850?

4850
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Asus: RM 570
Gigabyte: RM 540
Sapphire: RM 539 or RM 599
Palit: RM 480 or RM 590

If the 4770's is about RM 385 as stated above, the price difference is 20%. Is that 20% of money worth 5% of performance?
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wat do u mean your rig cant handle it?
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The power supply, theres some problem with that on my part (rig space, costs, and my electricity bills).

QUOTE(slash @ Apr 29 2009, 09:22 PM)
overclock affects the card only. how does overclocking the card negatively affect your system?
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uh, I didnt know that. Thanks biggrin.gif

QUOTE(slash @ Apr 29 2009, 09:22 PM)
if cost is not a problem for you, then get the 4850.
4770 is cheaper with performance that is not far off 4850
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your psu full name model is?
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wow 4770 is g8 budget card..
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Im planning to buy the GC 4770 this friday. Which brand do u guys recommend ?
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After much thinking, calculations and reviews over reviews, I will be getting HD4850. Thanks for all the opinions given.
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Apr 29 2009, 10:07 PM)
After much thinking, calculations and reviews over reviews, I will be getting HD4850. Thanks for all the opinions given.
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bro, 4770 consumes lesser power than 4850, have you taken that into consideration as well?
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Guess 900mhz is the magical number for 4770 smile.gif

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=c...=13431&Itemid=1

oh, and there's a small guide on how to unlock the oc core limit
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bro, 4770 consumes lesser power than 4850, have you taken that into consideration as well?
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Yes, I still have some few money enough to get a new PSU.
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Quick question, for a 500 MYR budget, which card would you recommend?
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You can get HD4770 (IINM), add another 50 and you can get HD4850
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Apr 30 2009, 01:41 AM)
You can get HD4770 (IINM), add another 50 and you can get HD4850
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rm500 can get a 4850, some sellers are offering the 4850 below rm500 ady.
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so an both 4770 & 4850 being OC who will win?
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4850!
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but 4850 is hard to oc due to heat and stability
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Then you can get a custom cooler! Or buy some 4850 with some aftermarket coolers. 4770 isn't really very OC-able with its stock fan as well from reviews I read.
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heat or not depends on the cooler..

4770 put some big fan better..
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QUOTE(NewbieBetta @ Apr 30 2009, 08:08 AM)
so an both 4770 & 4850 being OC who will win?
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Both GCs performance difference are not even noticable in real life gaming, the only time that u c 4850 being better is in benchmark score. Heck, the score is higher only by an extremely small margin. 4850 doesnt clock as well as 4770 as far as the reviews go. I know for sure 4850 doesnt clock as well as i thought, coz i used two b4. So why settle for something older and little oc headroom when u can go for something newer, oc better and CHEAPER?
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 07:50 AM)
Both GCs performance difference are not even noticable in real life gaming, the only time that u c 4850 being better is in benchmark score. Heck, the score is higher only by an extremely small margin. 4850 doesnt clock as well as 4770 as far as the reviews go. I know for sure 4850 doesnt clock as well as i thought, coz i used two b4. So why settle for something older and little oc headroom when u can go for something newer, oc better and CHEAPER?
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Personal preference, if I have the cash I'll go 4850 either. But what you said is quite true too... performance difference isn't really noticeable....
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how about hd4770 being 128 bit and HD4850 being 256 bit? nobody talks about this one...
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how about hd4770 being 128 bit and HD4850 being 256 bit? nobody talks about this one...
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4770 using gdrr5

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QUOTE(romulus47plus1 @ Apr 30 2009, 08:53 AM)
Personal preference, if I have the cash I'll go 4850 either. But what you said is quite true too... performance difference isn't really noticeable....
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for midrange i'll go for 4770..
otherwise wait some times for highend releases..

why 4770?
- less wattage
- hopefully less heat (i would suspect the cooler not so good)
- less sweating while gaming (lol if can reduce the temp)
- new tech
- good on CF

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[quote=8tvt,Apr 30 2009, 09:20 AM]
4770 using gdrr5

i mean does the 128 bit and 256 bit matters?
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Anandtech OCs 4890 to 1Ghz/1.2Ghz, the results are nothing short of amazing. Still uses less power than the 285 even after 1Ghz OCs.

And keep in mind that Sapphire WILL launch a 1Ghz/1.05Ghz 4890 (already pictured on Hexus.net), so expect that to be the new card king.

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Apr 30 2009, 08:20 AM)
why 4770?
- less wattage
- hopefully less heat (i would suspect the cooler not so good)
- less sweating while gaming (lol if can reduce the temp)
- new tech
- good on CF
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I'll only agree with you on the first and the 4th point.
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So how many watt PSU shud i consume if i were to use 4770?
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I'll only agree with you on the first and the 4th point.
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up to you then.. with good cooler it will shine..
atleast for this 1280 reso users..

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So how many watt PSU shud i consume if i were to use 4770?
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total power consumption would be less than 250W..

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Apr 30 2009, 09:26 AM)
up to you then.. with good cooler it will shine..
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Yes. For point 5 I'll partially agree with you. CF wise, the 4850 CF is good also, although CF 4770 only costs less than rm800, compared to rm1000 of the 4850.
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[quote=yanhui95,Apr 30 2009, 09:35 AM]
[quote=8tvt,Apr 30 2009, 09:20 AM]
4770 using gdrr5

i mean does the 128 bit and 256 bit matters?
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since u ask for it.. let's do the maths..

128bit vs 256bit (for 4770 n 4850 ram speed)
1byte = 8bit

4770
MEM speed : 3.2Ghz
128bit = 128/8 = 16 bytes
MEM Bandwidth : 3.2 x 16 = 51.2GB/sec

4850
MEM speed : 2.0Ghz
256bit = 256/8 = 32 bytes
MEM Bandwidth : 2 x 32 = 64GB/sec

just a little.. u OC u do the maths..
if 4770 can add more voltage.. since the core n ram using lower voltage..
will give more benefit later..

AMD use 128bit for a reason.. the pcb layout etc.. to cut cost..
since they can reduce the cost n not sacrifice the performance..
please be advised.. the core should have better tweak with some new features..
SO be wise.. the call is all yours..
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watever the calculations
watever the maths
watever CF or not
OC or not
watever heat or waltage

Performance wise, get 4850
Price wise, get 4770

and everyone live happily ever after
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Performance + Price wise HD4770.. biggrin.gif
Whats the point taking HD4850 now?
HD 4770 just 2~3% slightly slow,OC abit you are finish..
HD4770 only consume 80W on load smile.gif
Its up to user though..RM 385 VS RM 500+?
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that's why.. if we on 1280 reso.. 4770 already ok.. even on 1680..
performance wise in term of what i also donno ler.. haha..

for me i wait some times for highend 40nm gpu..
that would be promising on bigger screen..
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ehh if in 1920 reso.. 4770 ok a not?
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ehh if in 1920 reso.. 4770 ok a not?
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if u ok gaming with 20-30fps why not?
don't expect too much from midrange card..
even 4850 will be same figures..

i would consider >40fps is ok.. which normally can be generated using <1920 reso..
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QUOTE(kenz002 @ Apr 30 2009, 12:18 PM)
ehh if in 1920 reso.. 4770 ok a not?
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watever the calculations
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watever CF or not
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watever heat or waltage

Performance wise, get 4850
Price wise, get 4770

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Apr 30 2009, 12:31 PM)
if u ok gaming with 20-30fps why not?
don't expect too much from midrange card..
even 4850 will be same figures..

i would consider >40fps is ok.. which normally can be generated using <1920 reso..
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can get 60fps 'capped' for FIFA or pro evolution soccer at least.. but not for dx 10 games  tongue.gif
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if u always play that kind of games ok la.. tongue.gif

dx10 games normally have high texture n shader.. thus require more gpu ram..
customise them a little bit then ok..
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Sapphire Plans Atomic HD 4890 With 1000MHz Core Clock
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Sapphire Atomic HD 4890 is readying a high-end Atomic HD 4890 graphics card with Sapphire’s in-house-designed Vapor-X cooling solution, according a recent post on HEXUS.

This card features 1GB GDDR5 and core/memory clock of 1000/1050MHz (effective 4200MHz), compared with 850/975MHz found on the reference model. As you can see with the ATI Overdrive utility, the maximum GPU clock can achieve 1100MHz.

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The PCB comes with 8+6pin external power connector, so the core voltage should be higher than reference card with dual 6-pin connectors. Sapphire will officially launch the Atomic Radeon HD 4890 next week, without pricing disclosed yet.

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5870 rumours..
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=18240

5850 or 5770 please²..
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Rethinking about which card should I get, should I just whack a 4890 into my system? Comes into consideration after 4850 is using DDR3, 4870 is at DDR5 but already around for sometime.
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QUOTE(Demon_Eyes_Kyo @ Apr 30 2009, 04:27 PM)
Rethinking about which card should I get, should I just whack a 4890 into my system? Comes into consideration after 4850 is using DDR3, 4870 is at DDR5 but already around for sometime.
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Saw this at garage sales corner... might useful 4 who wanna grab it... tongue.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1000824
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 30 2009, 12:33 PM)
4770 crossfire should be sufficient for that case.
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Sorry.. crossfire means wat?
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Crossfire allows you to use multiple GPUs. So in this case, he meant using more than one 4770.
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Sorry.. crossfire means wat?
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well, u can do the same for graphic card. crossfire is ATI's trademark name for combining 2 or 3 or even 4 graphic cards to increase a rig's graphic processing power

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So in order to play game smoothly in 1920 resolution, wat is the minimum GC ? 4870?
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QUOTE(kenz002 @ Apr 30 2009, 07:03 PM)
So in order to play game smoothly in 1920 resolution, wat is the minimum GC ? 4870?
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depends on what game. games such as crysis definitely will be a NO. but other games, maybe yes and yes smile.gif
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Thanks metsatsu with all the pics.. makes very clear to me..
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QUOTE(kenz002 @ Apr 30 2009, 07:03 PM)
So in order to play game smoothly in 1920 resolution, wat is the minimum GC ? 4870?
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even 4850 can do a good job. define what smooth u mean 8xAA?.
i can play grid with highest setting with my 4850.
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 07:05 PM)
depends on what game. games such as crysis definitely will be a NO. but other games, maybe yes and yes smile.gif
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Sorry u mean even HD 4870 oso not good enuf to play all game in 1920 reso?
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 06:03 PM)
u know what is dual core or quad core for processor right?

well, u can do the same for graphic card. crossfire is ATI's trademark name for combining 2 or 3 or even 4 graphic cards to increase a rig's graphic processing power

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metsatsu, any difference between sapphire reference board HD4890 in red pcb and blue pcb?

Cause the one i bought today is blue instead of red pcb colour.

Anyway, anyone had tried overclocking hd4890 to the max (stable)?
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so if i dont oc 4850 better than 4770 by how much?

hd4770=rm385
hd4850=rm469

i need to make a choice thx
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QUOTE(yanhui95 @ Apr 30 2009, 07:34 PM)
so if i dont oc 4850 better than 4770 by how much?

hd4770=rm385
hd4850=rm469

i need to make a choice thx
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Either take HD4770 or else wait HD4850 price drops further due to HD4770 performance lost just about 5% off HD4850.

If you like crossfire, HD4770 2 units have 20% performance boost than HD4890.

Math : HD4770 RM 385 x2 RM 770 vs HD4890 RM 875
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QUOTE(kenz002 @ Apr 30 2009, 07:09 PM)
Sorry u mean even HD 4870 oso not good enuf to play all game in 1920 reso?
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4870 can play MOST games in 1920x1080 reso, but games such as far cry 2. crysis, stalker clear sky may not be playable at that reso

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metsatsu, any difference between sapphire reference board HD4890 in red pcb and blue pcb?

Cause the one i bought today is blue instead of red pcb colour.

Anyway, anyone had tried overclocking hd4890 to the max (stable)?
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what? could that be vapour-X?? drool.gif

mind to take a picture? does it look this??
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4870 can play MOST games in 1920x1080 reso, but games such as far cry 2. crysis, stalker clear sky may not be playable at that reso
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oH IC IC.. SO such games can oni be played in wat reso ya? i mean the max reso..
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QUOTE(kenz002 @ Apr 30 2009, 07:54 PM)
oH IC IC.. SO such games can oni be played in wat reso ya? i mean the max reso..
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well obviously the lower the better loh. u can adjust the setting in the game.
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WOW.....tat 4890 CF seems to be real juice!!!.... i think nothing can beat 4890 CF for now...
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QUOTE(kuance @ Apr 30 2009, 08:05 PM)
WOW.....tat 4890 CF seems to be real juice!!!.... i think nothing can beat 4890 CF for now...
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I wouldn't bet on that...
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Its true..GTX 295 has no match for HD4890 CF thou..
HD 4770 if overclocked can surpass HD4850 edy smile.gif
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 07:52 PM)
4870 can play MOST games in 1920x1080 reso, but games such as far cry 2. crysis, stalker clear sky may not be playable at that reso

Added on April 30, 2009, 7:54 pm

what? could that be vapour-X?? drool.gif

mind to take a picture? does it look this??
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Nope, it look like this rclxub.gif

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Any clue?
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 07:52 PM)
4870 can play MOST games in 1920x1080 reso, but games such as far cry 2. crysis, stalker clear sky may not be playable at that reso

Added on April 30, 2009, 7:54 pm

what? could that be vapour-X?? drool.gif

mind to take a picture? does it look this??
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This is a Factory OC card of 4890 to 1000/1050Mhz (Core/Memory), i wonder how's the tempereature. Can it be further OC by user? rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Apr 30 2009, 08:15 PM)
Nope, it look like this  rclxub.gif

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eh...... not a clue... but my guess would be just merely different batch? maybe it's the same board that's being used for vapour-X? Try to oc it and see how it goes

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QUOTE(HL Milk @ Apr 30 2009, 08:16 PM)
This is a Factory OC card of 4890 to 1000/1050Mhz (Core/Memory), i wonder how's the tempereature. Can it be further OC by user? rclxms.gif
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the vapour-X cooler is famous for its superior cooling efficiency. just look at this screenshot from techpowerup

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which worth to buy?
new 4770
or 2nd 4850?
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 07:05 PM)
depends on what game. games such as crysis definitely will be a NO. but other games, maybe yes and yes smile.gif
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wat the????

im using 4850, using resolution 1920X1080 with mainstream settings.. just beautiful it is.. no lagging@ or watever.. of coz u can play with that resolution...

im playing crysis warhead with mainstream setting, but other games im using full setting like far cry2, gta4, cod5, hawx, grid and other games.

crysis is different coz it a games with need high requirements. that why the optimal setting for crysis using 4850 is mainstream. if u want to use gamer@ enthusiat, i think there will be low frame rate or even lagging.

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QUOTE(megahertz @ Apr 30 2009, 09:33 PM)
wat the????

im using 4850, using resolution 1920X1080 with mainstream settings.. just beautiful it is.. no lagging@ or watever.. of coz u can play with that resolution...

im playing crysis warhead with mainstream setting, but other games im using full setting like far cry2, gta4, cod5, hawx, grid and other games.

crysis is different coz it a games with need high requirements. that why the optimal setting for crysis using 4850 is mainstream. if u want to use gamer@ enthusiat, i think there will be low frame rate or even lagging.
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oops my bad then, I was referring to enthusiast setting (aka ultra high setting) tongue.gif

and yes, at enthusiast setting, it will bring your gc to its knee begging for mercy rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 09:40 PM)
oops my bad then, I was referring to enthusiast setting (aka ultra high setting) tongue.gif

and yes, at enthusiast setting, it will bring your gc to its knee begging for mercy  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 08:19 PM)
eh...... not a clue... but my guess would be just merely different batch? maybe it's the same board that's being used for vapour-X? Try to oc it and see how it goes

Added on April 30, 2009, 8:23 pm

the vapour-X cooler is famous for its superior cooling efficiency. just look at this screenshot from techpowerup

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I've called robnycom to clarify it, is new batch of Sapphire HD4890. Could be the same board as vapor X but not the cooling.

AFAIK, vapour X uses different way of cooling the GPU.
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ermm....i wanna ask...4770 OC can surpass 4850... and why not OC an 4850??? isnt it better???? i mean 4850 dun have the ability to overclock better?
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i use 19 inch LCd monitor at 1440x900.

i want play crysis at full setting with AA and Af turn on.

the question is...can hd4850 do this job at 6+ fps?

processor is intel E7400 2.8ghz and 2gb pc6400 ram.
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6x fps is quite impossible to happen for crysis. haha

4850 can handle 1440 900 reso without problem but definitely <60 with high settings and AA on
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QUOTE(mizi28 @ Apr 30 2009, 10:41 PM)
i use 19 inch LCd monitor at 1440x900.

i want play crysis at full setting with AA and Af turn on.

the question is...can hd4850 do this job at 6+ fps?

processor is intel E7400 2.8ghz and 2gb pc6400 ram.
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u mean 60+fps instead of 6+fps, right?? sweat.gif
btw, i use e8200 & gtx 260 and play crysis at 1440x900 high setting no AA & AF
but the average fps is around 30 fps only
so, i think u should get more powerful gc if u really want full setting
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QUOTE(mizi28 @ Apr 30 2009, 10:41 PM)
i use 19 inch LCd monitor at 1440x900.

i want play crysis at full setting with AA and Af turn on.

the question is...can hd4850 do this job at 6+ fps?

processor is intel E7400 2.8ghz and 2gb pc6400 ram.
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6+ fps? I think even 4550 can handle also lol
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sory typo...

supposing you guys get what i mean. it is >60fps

anyway can or not
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QUOTE(Xehanort @ Apr 30 2009, 10:52 PM)
u mean 60+fps instead of 6+fps, right?? sweat.gif
btw, i use e8200 & gtx 260 and play crysis at 1440x900 high setting no AA & AF
but the average fps is around 30 fps only
so, i think u should get more powerful gc if u really want full setting
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can or cannot? hmm


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QUOTE(mizi28 @ Apr 30 2009, 11:06 PM)
sory typo...

supposing you guys get what i mean. it is >60fps

anyway can or not
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if u put on ultra high setting, then obviously it's a NO. next setting down also barely touch 60fps. if u tune down the details further then it's kinda pointless playing crysis without all the graphic details isn't it?
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As I said earlier, it's quite impossible to get 60+ fps in crysis. Not even with a powerful gc and proc.

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okay...if not 60+fps

what fps will HD4850 run with all the eye candy turned on at 1440x900?
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QUOTE(mizi28 @ Apr 30 2009, 11:38 PM)
okay...if not 60+fps

what fps will HD4850 run with all the eye candy turned on at 1440x900?
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expect 10-30fps bro...
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owh...that aren't nice.

then why people say it is overkill if use 4870 with 19inch..hmm
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crysis is diff in term of this...

@mizi28, 4870 is indeed overkill in most 19" monitor... but crysis is diff story here.
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i just get a xfx 4870 .. I installled the 9.4 driver .. I dont understand why i cant use the ati overdrive feature in the control centre ..? I am using 64 bit vista
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where is the unlock button lol..?
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QUOTE(kuance @ May 1 2009, 12:00 AM)
crysis is diff in term of this...

@mizi28, 4870 is indeed overkill in most 19" monitor... but crysis is diff story here.
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the difference in pricing is pretty much obvious there
no matter what ppl believe in
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where is the unlock button lol..?
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@XiuKeong, u are using a 19' wide screen? if so, ur game cant push the resolution very high, so using 4870 will be overkill. (correct me if i am wrong)

Maybe 4850 or 4770 is enuf for nowaday high end game on ur monitor wif high setting already... wait u got enuf money one day... CF it : ) and change ur monitor
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QUOTE(kuance @ May 1 2009, 08:48 AM)
@XiuKeong, u are using a 19' wide screen? if so, ur game cant push the resolution very high, so using 4870 will be overkill. (correct me if i am wrong)

Maybe 4850 or 4770 is enuf for nowaday high end game on ur monitor wif high setting already... wait u got enuf money one day... CF it : ) and change ur monitor
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4870 will be just nice la bro. it never hurts to get extra 10-20fps more than the monitor refresh rate

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the difference in pricing is pretty much obvious there
no matter what ppl believe in
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this will create another flame war...
my advice is simple....buy which one u can afford then extra u can buy sound card...
as i been told by my sifu, onboard sound card do effect FPS...it use the memory...
thats all...
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yeah it is not a hurt to get a 4870 but ever think of the price? if u r rich...then i gonna be speechless... but if u are limited with ur budget...then 4850 will just do fine...

@metsatsu, it is impossible in betwwen 4850 and 4870 will have a 10-20 fps diff..k

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this will create another flame war...
my advice is simple....buy which one u can afford then extra u can buy sound card...
as i been told by my sifu, onboard sound card do effect FPS...it use the memory...
thats all...
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is that true???! sound card can help in fps too??

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QUOTE(kuance @ May 1 2009, 09:16 AM)
yeah it is not a hurt to get a 4870 but ever think of the price? if u r rich...then i gonna be speechless... but if u are limited with ur budget...then 4850 will just do fine...

@metsatsu, it is impossible in betwwen 4850 and 4870 will have a 10-20 fps diff..k

Added on May 1, 2009, 9:17 am
is that true???! sound card can help in fps too??
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IMHO...but open for discussion... smile.gif
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QUOTE(kuance @ May 1 2009, 09:16 AM)
yeah it is not a hurt to get a 4870 but ever think of the price? if u r rich...then i gonna be speechless... but if u are limited with ur budget...then 4850 will just do fine...

@metsatsu, it is impossible in betwwen 4850 and 4870 will have a 10-20 fps diff..k

Added on May 1, 2009, 9:17 am
is that true???! sound card can help in fps too??
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did i say 10-20fps more than 4850? or 10-20fps more than MONITOR REFRESH RATE? read carefully.. k smile.gif

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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Apr 30 2009, 11:45 PM)
expect 10-30fps bro...
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I finished crysis on 8800gts 320mb on same reso and warhead with 4850. Both works fine just certain scenes had some 15-20fps, tat's all. Google for some crysis tweaking, can squeeze out more fps with eye candy. Crysis is not that hard to run at playable fps actually, just don't max the settings. I can get like 30-35 fps throughout the game, with some exceptions such as boss fight of course.

Just fast fast finish the game then headache gone tongue.gif

p/s i'm running 4850 on 1920*1080 reso now, no problem with most of the game titles. Never try crysis thou, haha. If you not really serious into graphics intensive games such as FPS, can just get 4850.

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QUOTE(kuance @ May 1 2009, 09:16 AM)
yeah it is not a hurt to get a 4870 but ever think of the price? if u r rich...then i gonna be speechless... but if u are limited with ur budget...then 4850 will just do fine...

@metsatsu, it is impossible in betwwen 4850 and 4870 will have a 10-20 fps diff..k

Added on May 1, 2009, 9:17 am
is that true???! sound card can help in fps too??
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yes..because onboard sound card consume cpu usage...but doesnt affect much
so tempting le!!half of the price of my 3870 that bought last yr but performance double up!!
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lol? 4870 overkill in 19 inch? i using it in 19, with the spec below
not really agree
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post May 1 2009, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(metsatsu @ May 1 2009, 08:54 AM)
I think you're the only person who's believing in that
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u seems to always pointing at reviews n graphs
n reviews n graphs pointed out at leat 2-3% of difference

a difference is a difference no?
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just buy 4770...end of story...
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Lol...tech_frix... i agree with you... just buy 4770 and end of story... no more fighting..no need any reviewing... no need any dicussion.. LOL!!!

actually, there is nothing much to argue here... just compare 4770 benchmark with other...then compare the price...and obviously....

4770 is the WINNER!!!!!
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QUOTE(tech_frix @ May 1 2009, 09:16 AM)
this will create another flame war...
my advice is simple....buy which one u can afford then extra u can buy sound card...
as i been told by my sifu, onboard sound card do effect FPS...it use the memory...
thats all...
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its optional but seem like ppl in this thread want to improve d fps sooooo much...i think it will help...hehe
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yes we have ultra-bionic eyes,we can detect every single drop in fps tongue.gif rolleyes.gif

hehe.

what i get is hd 4850 cant do the job.
okay end story,my question had been answered very well.
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/me vomits in this thread.



Sorry, had too much alcohol last night.
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erm..?? sound card??

@tech_frix... which kindda sound card?? i know its out of topic but this thread is to help ppl with 4000 series and now just for more inform...do we need high end sound card?
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