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 AMD/ATI Radeon™ HD 4000 Series Discussion v6, The time moves on..Prepare HD5000 Series

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post Apr 9 2009, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(chaics85 @ Apr 9 2009, 11:05 AM)
so fast 5000 series?? wen will the hd4770 or hd4750 come out?
really headache wanna get 4830 during pc fair or wait for 4770 la.. rclxub.gif
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If the price difference is not huge, why not you go for HD4850? For me it's one of ATI's best GC. Try Gainwards GS. Just my 2 cents~

EDIT: saw a HD4850 selling for RM360 at garage sale. Link. But it's a reference card if I'm not mistaken.

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post Apr 9 2009, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 9 2009, 02:34 PM)
I've tried 9.4 and getting graphic corruption issues on 3dmarkvantage. Gonna reinstall and try again to make sure it's not the 3dmark files that is corrupted.
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Did you cleaned up the driver well before you install a new one.
You tried with a single card or with your CrossFire?

I wanna how much it has improved with HD4890. But it's ok.
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post Apr 10 2009, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(duncan880409 @ Apr 10 2009, 02:38 AM)
argh, i still confusing which 1 to buy, well i want setup CFX with biostar IP45 but now which GC should i take?
HD4850
HD4870
HD3870
cause i see, the price for HD3870 is much cheaper then 4850 but the core is better, anyone explain this for me?
well i might judge which 1 i need to buy in term of cash and quality by the way..
so any recommendation is welcome smile.gif
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Ok now, if you're planning to buy 3870 because it's cheaper then IMO you're just wasting your money.
Technology isn't going to stop progressing, and if you want to keep pace with it, you might as well buy the current top-level GC (or at least the one that its performance nearest to the latest) to minimize the financial damage down the road.

For me, the difference between 4850 and 3870 in term of performance is already huge enough, let alone taking 4870 into account. Just go to the garage sales thread and look up for the 4850 Golden Sample version or buy a 4870 1GB. The both I mentioned just now, is the best card at their time and you won't regret buying them.

Just my 2 cents smile.gif

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post Apr 22 2009, 12:42 PM

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Guys wanna ask something. I'm interested in the 4870x2 cards performance (who wouldn't) but is it advisable for me to change from a 4890 to that particular card?

I heard there's a lot of problem with the x2 card but I don't know anything for sure because it's from google and I trust Lowyat members more.

So Sifus, what is the most important thing I should know before I buy an X2 card.

need help here....... again~
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post Apr 22 2009, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 22 2009, 01:31 PM)
how about buy another HD4890 and crossfire it?

4890 CF better than 4870x2
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I was thinking the same until I read about some problems with the crossfire on the HD4890 thread in Lowyat. I'm not worrying about micro stuttering and stuffs, all I worried about is can I play most of the new games with this setup?
QUOTE(zeronehza @ Apr 22 2009, 01:40 PM)
your psu.. your psu must be good enough.. your casing..  for the air flow.. full tower is the best...
my friend using this card... not really a big problem, and make sure u have got good cooler for this crazy temp card.

but for now you're currently using 4890, i think it wasn't neccesary to change.. depend what term you use that card for.
mine still using single HD4870 and still satisfied.
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Hurm. Crysis has poisened me bro~ doh.gif

I wanna play smooth in all very high setting. Maybe I have to learn control myself and do crossfire instead later. hahaha~

Heard that CF heat consumption is higher than the X2 card, is it true? How hot are we talking about?

I'm using acbel M8, no idea whether it can support or not. (I'm still doing research about this stuff) but please do help me sort out this CF problems maybe it'll come in handy for other users to. icon_rolleyes.gif

Planning to do it in next month.

Thanks for the info guys~
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post Apr 22 2009, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(paktsung @ Apr 22 2009, 06:44 PM)
Hello fellow ATI users,
Im new here and i need some hints on choosing my gcards. I hope i will not be ignored cuz i know this question is quite common in the whole thread.

Im going to buy a gcard soon but i really cant make up my mind.

Ive always been using Nvidia and now ive heard that HD4870 1GB surpasses Nvidia's cards of the same range. Therefore, Im here to find out more about it.

The question is

Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 VS XFX GeForce GTX 260 Black Edition Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3

Which do you guys think is better? and Thanks in advance. Appreciate your opinions.

P/s: Which manufacturer would you guys advice me to buy if i were to get HD4870? I heard Sapphire is not bad...
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Hurm.. I'll help you as much as I can. Ok here goes.....

Depends on what game you gonna play, all I can say it's on par with the GTX260 216 (because the difference is too small).

To be more specific I think 260 wins slightly in most games but like I said before it comes down to what games you gonna play with the cards. Again I wanna stress the word slight here, you will get just 5 or 7 FPS difference . (I tested both in a pc that have the exact same spec so I'm sorry if it doesn't have the same result with any benchmarking that were done by pros) whistling.gif

But I bought the 4870 anyway because it's way more cheaper than the GTX260 216. brows.gif Don't have any idea about the current price though~

But instead of going for 4870, why not you go for 4890, It's a good card and it's better than those two I mentioned before and it has a better overclocking solution which is really worth more than what you gonna pay for it.

Yes mate, for me, Sapphire is one of the most reliable manufacturer for ATI. You can try Asus but you have to add more $$. tongue.gif

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post Apr 22 2009, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 22 2009, 09:09 PM)
comparing 4870 CF vs 4807x2, 4870x2 indeed have lower power consumption at load,

but according to this article, 4890 CF consume less power than 4870x2 on load, while the performance better than 4870x2

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Wow the performance is really good. I hope I will face minimum problem when I CF later next month.
So can my PSU (Acbel M8) support the 4890 CF?
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post May 6 2009, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ May 6 2009, 12:14 PM)
Seems like Sapphire HD4890 1GB has hit is limit!  sad.gif

Core 900mhz Memory 1000mhz. Can't go any further as furmark shows artifacts.  cry.gif
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No sir. Sapphire Can overclock to 980/1180 with the stock cooler and the fan is set to 100% (hairdryer like sound) rclxub.gif
Try go several pages back, I proved it and post the benchmark also. Hurm..
I didn't test this clock with furmark yet. The last time I tested with Furmark I passed the test with 950/1145.
After that I just tested it with game benchmarking. tongue.gif
Tell you what. Nothing went wrong from playing Crysis(very High), Crysis Warhead (High), Far Cry 2, Hawx, COD4. COD5, GRID, GTA4, PES2009 and NFS Undercover. thumbup.gif
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post May 7 2009, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ May 6 2009, 01:16 PM)
May i know whether you're using Sapphire HD4890?

Btw yours is red or blue pcb?
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Sorry for the late reply.
Btw, I'm using the Red Pcb. I never heard of a blue PCB for Sapphire 4890.
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post May 7 2009, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ May 7 2009, 01:43 PM)
bro i'm getting mine next month
pls share hows the temp and the noise biggrin.gif
and i using icute atx casing ,can fit in?
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Sorry bro, I'm overlooked the posts.

The temp.. Idle 60-63c, Load Temp 79c (tested with crysis at all very high setting), Yeah its damn hot with its manual fan setting. It won't spin go higher than 35% that's why the temperature is very high.
The noise is not a problem at all unless you are planning to overclock it. 100% fan speed is almost like a hair dryer. haha~
Post your casing dimensions, maybe i can figure it out.

Btw, it's a very good card. bundle it with Artic cooler and OC it to 980/1170 and enjoy. Just my 2 cents thumbup.gif
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post May 8 2009, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ May 7 2009, 10:56 PM)
so here is it tongue.gif
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I'm using CM 690.

The Depth you need (excluding the HDD area) is around 24cm (w/out the power cable connected) 26-28cm (with the power cable connected)
The width of your casing is just 1cm different with the CM690 so no need to worry.
I don't think height is an issue here. From top to bottom (mobo to bottom of my case) is 30cm.

So, I think you are good to go bro. thumbup.gif


Added on May 8, 2009, 11:07 am
QUOTE(jinaun @ May 7 2009, 11:25 PM)
poor man's CF setup

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Nobody is poor when they have 2 HD 4000 series card. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ May 8 2009, 12:17 PM)
wooooott......happy to hear that bro
btw how much u bought ur twin turbo
planning to buy it cause my room temp sometime can reach
31'C  sweat.gif
scare it too hot later and break the record  biggrin.gif
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Actually the price is RM180 in Moderno, I don't know other place are selling or not. Last time I bought it when I was using my 4870. I sold it already because planed to buy GTX260 dual fan before. Thanks to my Gf, I end up buying this sapphire 4890. icon_idea.gif

Never tested in my 4890 yet. I'm waiting to buy another 4890 and fix both with AC cooler so that I can overcome the heat problem. brows.gif

QUOTE(Terence573 @ May 8 2009, 01:08 PM)
haha now i hate my centurion5. mad.gif crank up all the hardwares inside.

yeah 4870x2 also not poor guy. thumbup.gif
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If I'm not mistaken, you own a 4870x2 right?

QUOTE(jinaun @ May 8 2009, 01:50 PM)
sure or not.. have you realli looked at it? the picture
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Haha, I saw the picture. Like I said before, poor man can't afford to buy two cards for gaming purposes. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ May 8 2009, 04:16 PM)
yeah i'm going to choose sapphire too.cheers icon_rolleyes.gif
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How bout Buying Asus 4890 because it comes with the voltage tweaking software and it is covered by Asus warranty.

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ASUS, however, adds what it terms as Voltage Tweak Technology, whereby the user can, via the SmartDoctor software, increase card voltage from 1.312V to 1.45V. Interestingly, ASUS intimates that doing so allows you to boost clocks from the default speed (up) to 950MHz engine and 4,600MHz memory, although no concrete guarantee is given. Best of all, the warranty remains intact. HEXUS.net



Tweak the voltage and clock the card all the way to 1000/1200!! That's gonna produce an awesome result my friend..
If I got the choice I'll buy the Asus card. Don't get me wrong. I am using Sapphire for years already but I'm interested in voltage tweaking but never try it because afraid that I'll wreck my card and it is not covered in Sapphire's warranty.


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QUOTE(jinaun @ May 8 2009, 04:11 PM)
i did't say anything...  tongue.gif
poor man like me can onli afford CF with 2 pieces of 4350 at RM120 a pop.. YAY!!!
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The question about x2 card is for Terrence actually. tongue.gif

Btw, how bout the performance in gaming say, Crysis?

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QUOTE(Neo8663 @ May 8 2009, 11:00 PM)
no so much badget for that
still lots of thing gonna upgrade sweat.gif
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Hehe, ok then. Sapphire it is. one month time post your result here. hehe~
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post May 9 2009, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(jinaun @ May 9 2009, 01:49 PM)
sadly.. in the region of single digit fps
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It's ok. Crysis sucks. haha~

Btw, can you post the picture of your setup. I like to see CF system. Thanks~
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is it possible to CF two HD4890 fixed with AC accelero? A bigger casing plus there's a new Mobo with 6 pci-e slot that can make this possible.

The main problem is CF bridge which I think is not long enough to connect both cards.

Reason I'm planning on doing this is because I want to overcome the heat problem.

Anybody have better suggestion other than my method can share their ideas.

Thanks guys~
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QUOTE(pikacu @ May 12 2009, 05:45 PM)
user posted image

credit goes to doom
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ITS POSSIBLE!! haha! One problem solve.. rclxm9.gif
Got a survey a new casing. Currently using Cm690 and I highly doubt that I can CF with Accelero in it. Probably wanna go for RAVEN. drool.gif
Thanks Bro Pikacu.. ~

EDIT: That setup in the picture looks really cool!

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post May 12 2009, 10:14 PM

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I think its the AC Accelero Twin Turbo and the price is RM180 at Moderno.
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post May 12 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(chanws8 @ May 12 2009, 10:59 PM)
Ya, it's AC Accelero Twin Turbo, but i dont think it's compatible with HD4890 ...
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I think it's compatible

Here's the source

But I don't have any source to prove that one can CF if both cards are fixed with AC twin turbo.

The one in the picture is AC accelero S1 if I'm not mistaken. From what I know, it is not compatible with 4890. I chekced the details in Ac official web.

Bro Pikacu do you know anybody CFed 4890 fixed with AC Twin Turbo?

Thanks~

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 13 2009, 04:16 PM)
I think it would fit but it depends on your motherboard and casing. My CM690 and P5Q Deluxe could handle 2 cards with dual slot coolers.
Microsoft just announced that Windows 7 will be available by December.
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Are you sure CM690 can handle it. Hurm.. can you post some pic of your setup. Thanks~

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