Hi all LYN members...

I will be organizing a rescue operation of the dogs in Pulau Ketam, due to the urgency, I had suggested to be held this weekend, or if not possible, next weekend... I had proposed this to se7en as a LYN project, and i yet to get response from him, but anyhow, i will carry this on as a sole, pure voluntarily basis event.

Due to the serious nature of the case at the moment, i will rush back to Klang from KK today and i will be forming a group of volunteers of my own to start a rescue mission.

My main intention here is to start with Pulau Ketam itself first, as i believe, the root of the problem started from the island itself, we will try to capture as many dogs as possible over there so that to prevent any next round of dogs sending to the abandoned island again.

I'm on the midst of contacting TV Smith and Sabrina Yeap (http://www.mycen.com.my/rescue/index.html) on how we can assist and help them on their mission. Be assured that I will do my best to assist them.

As for LYN members who wish to volunteer themselves for this cause, PLEASE be minded that this is strictly on volunteer basis, and this event is gonna be extremely physical endurance and tiring stuff, so im not gonna responsible for your safety, injuries, etc that might would happen during the course of this event.

I would not accept any donations in form of cash, please donate directly to mycen.com.my and any contributions in form of equipments (dog cages, dog foods, drinks for volunteers, ropes, and others stuff that deem fit) would be very much welcomed!

Peeps, this is solely on voluntarily basis, no pays, no salary.... please bring your own water, money for foods....

I would appeal to all members on humanitarian grounds to help out this good cause!!

SOLELY SERIOUS STUFF HERE, NO SPAMMING, NO TROLLING

"SAD-Mission Team"

Team Leader : adrianck

Asst. Team Leader : Anne (Non-LYN)

Secretary : Vacant

Vice Secretary : chibi_tenko

Treasurer cum Logisitics : Yukaeshi

Head of Media : A-D-Photographer

Head of Communications : dadarouch

Team Members : espanda90, Kaven, panasonic88, choongster, XII,
andromedia,


My Contacts- msn- adran_ck@hotmail.com, email: adrianck@gmail.com, hp- 0122726777

SAD-Mission Team email: sad.mission.team@gmail.com

Whoever wishes to visit FFF, either for a visit or volunteering, please contact dadarouch or me first before getting directions to FFF.

Links for more details:

http://furryfriendsfarm2006.blogspot.com/

http://www.mycen.com.my/rescue/updates.html

http://birdstalkingtoo.blogspot.com/

http://dog-rescue-campaign.blogspot.com/

http://pitch.pummkin.net/

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2. All say hi.
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Sincerely,

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This post has been edited by adrianck: Jul 17 2012, 08:36 PM

Good luck. But I have one question, what gonna happen to the dogs once you rescue them? Just curious to know your long terms plans are.

this is not a problem, most important is we could gather back as many dogs back as possible... and then i will arrange to where to send to...

be assured that these all dogs saved WOULD NOT BE PUT TO SLEEP.....

This post has been edited by adrianck: May 8 2009, 09:42 AM

sry. did not read news..is it these dogs are brought over there to die by the authorities or what? ..hmm

u guys can refer to this news... very sad case...btw what are you gonna do when u gather them?

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...3068&sec=nation

I'm interested, and well i know my geography sucks, but how to go to pulau ketam frm penang? I can handle dogs quite okay, cos i've been handling strays since a kid.

Hi there, I'm a Klang citizen... mayb i can help you on this
I suggest 2 ways for you:

1) You find your way to KL, then take KTM straight up to KTM Pelabuhan Klang, the jeti to Pulau Ketam is right infront of you

2) You find your way to KL, then take bus from KL to Klang, then again take bus from Klang to Pelabuhan Klang, the jeti to Pulau Ketam is right infront of you\

FYI, Jeti, KTM station, Bus station, Balai Polis, Jabatan Imigresen, Pos office is all there...

I'm interested as well, it is extremely sad to see how cruel humans can be sometimes. Could you tell me how what are your plans for the dogs? And the exact date? I can probaly meet up with you and bring a few people along as I'm from Seremban... thanks

I would love to be there to record the event in form of photography.

thanks for all your concern n interest!!

so far, a handful had shown their interest to volunteer... i really appreciate that....

so i will decide whether doing it this week or next... as i need a amount of volunteers....

i havent rcv any reply from Sabrina nor TV smith yet... but the secretariat will inform them and will decide by tonite...so keep finger crossed that if we can work together, i try to split our volunteers to 2 groups, 1 to the abandon island n 1 to pulau ketam....

stay tuned... i will keep u guys posted.

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Added on May 8, 2009, 8:05 pmbtw, those who wanna know more, can pm me for msn... i will be online from 9.45pm onwards... n will keep u all posted faster.... tks...

This post has been edited by adrianck: May 8 2009, 08:05 PM

This weekend will be too rush. If next weekend's on, count me and my brother in. I understand this will be a tiring and hot job but we'll try our best to help in any way we can. I've emailed Sabrina twice and she replied very promptly - I think the reason either she or TV haven't reply is because they were too exhausted.

Will any kibbles do? I know Pedigree kibbles are no good but it's the cheapest around. If it's ok with you guys, I'll the to get 1-2 bags of the 18kg ones. My main purpose it so that the dogs will get something to eat to fill them up and only later provide them with slightly better kibble during the recovering period. I apologize for making the offer to get the cheap kibbles as I've already donated all of my personal allowance for the month of May to Furry Friends Farm.

Meanwhile, maybe we all should brainstorm on how to round up the dogs in the smaller islands. My msn id is celinesm@hotmail.com. Anyone interested to discuss the rescue mission please add me in. Do add a note stating you're frm LYN dog rescue mission, else i might accidentally reject you adding me. thanks

If TS is collaborating with Sabrina (From Furry Friends Farm, where the dogs rescued will most likely end up) and TV Smith, here's the site where you can get more information and updates from them:

http://www.mycen.com.my/rescue/index.html

It's on the top bar of LYN forums too, in the red box.

If TS is planning to mount his own rescue mission, I strongly suggest that he colloborate with Sabrina and TV Smith instead of doing two seperate rescue missions, even as a LYN project. It would be much more easier and minimises risks. I've emailed them pledging monetary support and words of encouragement, and they have responded and I've donated to the cause. If you still don't get a reply, do try calling the numbers listed, or try to contact Furry Friends Farm.

http://furryfriendsfarm2006.blogspot.com

If you're serious in helping, try to contact them in any way possible.

And I don't think kibbles would be important on the rescue mission itself. What's important is getting the dogs out of the island and giving them medical care and attention. What's important is transportation (Boats, especially, since some boats are not big enough or some boats refuse to carry the dogs) and the money to pay for the cages, transportation and medical fees of the dogs. Kibbles can be donated afterwards to Furry Friends Farm.

No offense intended with my post.

This post has been edited by Yukaeshi: May 9 2009, 08:46 AM

The reason I'm offering to donate kibbles is because after reading the updates posted by TV Smith, it seems that at most the number of dogs that they manage to rescue at a time was only 1-3 dogs. How about the rest marooned at those islands? They have already said that the dogs are afraid of humans and ran deeper into the mangrove swamp.

We gotta feed those still stranded there while trying to rescue any of the dogs that we can get our hands on. Even if Sabrina and team only manage to rescue 1-2 today, at least she can leave kibbles + fresh water for the remaining dogs.

Ah, that makes more sense then after your clarification. Thanks

I suppose the number of dogs which can be rescued can be increased if not for the lack of suitable boats and manpower. But then again the dogs are afraid of humans (Don't blame them), and leaving/offering kibbles out for them might make them more friendly towards the rescuers and also at the same time provide them with food. Although, that being said, time is running out for the dogs, as quoted in the updates page:



So I feel getting them out of the island and to a safe place would be more imperative.

Nevertheless, it's still a good effort.

hi all....

i had got TV smith reply midnight yesterday where i had dozz off due to my tiredness...

apparently, TV smith advise to survey the island 1st instead of just go in there and make the mission.

here is the content of his email:

Hi Adrian,

For the remaining dogs on the island, I advise you take a survey first
and coordinate with us. You can catch them but they need to be
properly transported and sent to vets before going to the shelter.
Need to work with the village head on this. They have agree to put the
deportation on hold until a solution is found. Don't know how much is
true. Also might be easier to get the guy who caught the earlier batch
to help out. Maybe you guys can then go again to monitor the manner it
is done and see if it is harmful to the dogs.

Go visit, identify the areas, inquire with the villagers respectfully.
Then organise a proper capture. You can't just walk in one Sunday and
hope to do this. Thanks for the effort and kind thoughts though.


Cheers,

Terrence V Smith
Malaysia Central
www.mycen.com.my

so, im thinking and taking his advise.... n here i postpone our mission to next weekend, and for this weekend, tomoro, i plan for a survey on pulau ketam, talk to the villager, the village headman n discuss what we could do....

so, anybody wanna join this weekend trip.... please do inform me.... but this not gonna a holiday trip.... after the island visit, we will sit down n discuss what we could do, and plan for next weekend mission.

this might time some of your time, but all for the name of volunteering as well as saving lives of the living beings....

yea it would be better to know the place and people there first before we make any move.

Can you give any detail about tomorrow trip? like what time and where to meet up? And what are the purposes and goals of our trip?

This post has been edited by kaven: May 9 2009, 01:51 PM

suggestion : rescuing the dogs take time, so in the mean time - bringing some food for the dogs would help them in their survival and less likely to go cannibal.

goldfries,

u wanna support the mission?

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Added on May 9, 2009, 3:24 pmok... now i had sort out things... let me give a short brief of what we gonna do tommorow:

9am- arrive at P. Ketam Jetty
10am- Arrive at Pulau Ketam, do survey, talk to village headman.
1pm- lunch
2pm- continue survey at island
4pm- gather n discuss of next contingent plan for next weekend
6pm- arrive at klang n dismiss

if anyone whom has better agenda to add in, ideas, suggestions, opinions, etc... are really most welcome

for those who wanna join in tommorow expeditions, please pm or post your confirmation here

i know its kinda rushing but i dun really had any better options, as doing it on weekday would not convenient to everyone of u.



This post has been edited by adrianck: May 9 2009, 03:24 PM

Sorry for the silly question but for verification , this is to rescue the stray dogs that are on Pulau Ketam or the ones adbandoned?

we will start from pulau ketam itself 1st

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Added on May 9, 2009, 6:53 pmi willl take some time to study how many stray will be still there in pulau ketam itself... try grab as many as we can from there, and send to the animal shelter...

as i mention earlier, prevention is better than cure.... nobody will put money on the guarantee that after this tragic incident, the pulau ketam folks would not send the dogs to there again....

i still awaiting for tv smith reply whether can we tumpang sabrina to visit pulau tengah.... help out if i could...

but anyway, i will definately start from pulau ketam, due to the current situation and time issue.

This post has been edited by adrianck: May 9 2009, 06:53 PM

emm,my worry is that,animal shelter might not able to keep many of the stray if we did managed to get some of the dogs out from the island. Most of the dogs that were sent to the shelter will end up euthanize if nobody adopt them.

SPCA said they are trying to neuter and spray the stray and pets in the island,while trying to educate the residents on proper way of taking care of animals. Maybe we can help them out on that?

hi kaven...

yes, we are doing whatever we can to save the dogs... reduce populations, neuter them... any possible ways to help...i have arrangements with SPCA n PAWS.. they willingly to take in whatever i could get... there might be more soon.. as some LYN members had pm-ed me to offer other animal shelter as well.

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Added on May 9, 2009, 10:18 pmi still yet to receive any reply from any volunteers who wishes to join me tommorow.... please do confirm asap....

i will be there whether any volunteers coming or not... just tht its better if we can go in a group....

This post has been edited by adrianck: May 9 2009, 10:50 PM

Me and my brother can confirm for next weekend but cannot make it in time for tomorrow as we will be in Muar for family matter.

Do keep us updated on the situation.

ok, there are some changes for tomoro schedule....

12pm- arrive at P. Ketam Jetty
1pm- Arrive at Pulau Ketam, do survey, talk to village headman.
2pm- lunch
3pm- continue survey at island
4pm- gather n discuss of next contingency plan for next weekend
6pm- arrive at klang n dismiss

if there is any volunteer wanna come last minute... pls do call me at 012-2726777 1st...

so far, i have 2 volunteers will be with me tomoro.... so more volunteers will be welcome, as doing survey, talking to the locals there, would not be an easy task, nevertheless, if there is none, i will do my best and cover the place as much as i could...

tq...

This post has been edited by adrianck: May 12 2009, 12:36 PM

I wish to volunteer for the mission next week. Will pm you my contact details

Mycen.com hasn't contacted me on info on rescue missions either since I first contacted them 2 days ago. Thank you for this effort

Btw, if u manage to get some dogs during the 1st visit, where are u going to place them? Have u contacted FFF if they might have some space for the dogs? I'm from penang. I wish i can join the mission. But since there's already some volunteers to catch the dogs, maybe i can use my transport fee to get some dog food and donate it to FFF.

Please keep us update. Get us some photos of the site when u visit the area. Gud luck to u guys *hugs*

This post has been edited by nicoty_yne: May 10 2009, 03:11 AM

Adrian is probably playing chess with zhou gong, so I'm gonna answer some of the questions:

We're not going to catch any dogs on our first visit, which is later at 12pm. Strictly a recon trip - surveying the place, asking permissions from relevant parties, checking out the price of boat rental so we can get to pulau tengah as well.

Adrian contacted PAWS and SPCA, which will be the receiving ends should we get any dogs.

The actual dog saving day will fall on next weekend. By that time, we aim to have 5 or more cages, stockpile of dog food, and a group of people to help us with the laboring.

We haven't finalize on how to deliver the dogs yet, but if everything fails, we'll just send them over by our cars.

I'll be taking lots of photos, of all our activities, with the aim of producing a scrapbook of some sort.

I'll be bringing along two bags of dog food next week.

If SPCA is the receiving end of any rescued dogs from Pulau Ketam, it's almost sending them to a certain death. It pains me to know that after going through the effort to save them, we're sending them to another dead end way (pun intended). I understand that Sabrina's farm can't take in so many dogs but if the Pulau Ketam dogs will be send to PAWS or SPCA, I will donate the kibbles to Sabrina instead. She needs it more for the Death Island dogs than those at Pulau Ketam now.

this cant be sure as we do not know the amount of strays around pulau ketam now... thats y the survey is important.... we will not know how many dogs are still there in pulau ketam ....tv smith n sabrina is concentrating at pulau tengah and if they require our help, hen we see what we can do... probably after pulau ketam, we may rent a boat and go to pulau tengah as well....

this all i cant confirm until when i survey pulau ketam first. i dont wanna rush into anything b4 i have full survey, full info and so on....

that is y i kept mentioning tht the survey is an important element....

btw, my lastest update we have 5 volunteers include me for this trip.... so should be adequate for today mission...

LYN'ers, please pray for us and hope this mission will be a successful ones.

Have an eventful trip. Will checking up on LYN later this evening.

how bout save the dogs at penang here...

here at permatang pauh,u can see many dogs being tied at one place

for even 10years they din let them go even for a while...sad

all the dogs came here as a beautifull lovely dog...

but go as "no hair" dog...poor

all the time,when i see the little cute dog being tied infront of the store i really wan to save them...

but i cant i juz see them being weaker and poorer as every days go...

SPCA DOG RESCUE TEAM will b CAMPING in d ISLAND 2 TRAP & RESCUE d DOGS STARTING TONITE.

SPCA PAYS d INDONESIAN WORKER from floating fish farm nearby to FEED SEVEN (7) BAG DOG FOOD DAILY to d DOGS in d ISLAND of DEATH .

This post has been edited by brownie: May 10 2009, 12:02 PM

Just want to let you guys know that once you wish to undertake the rescue at the other island where the dogs were abondened, please please please take precaution with regrds to the strays and the island itself.
1) Theyre strays, they may have rabies, fleas, make sure you have proper first aid at hand.
2) Do your research and also ask around the fishermen and locals on pulau ketam of the dangerous species of animals or plants that they have seen or reside in these mangrove islands, ie: sea snakes, poisonous plants, sea alligators.
3) Remember rule 1 and 2

I thinking the same way as yours. I wish we can help Sabrina more than sending the dogs to SPCA n PAWS coz i have a bad experience sending a dog i rescued to SPCA here 3 years ago. So i end up keeping the dog my self (took the trouble. I'm a malay and live in the apartment so u know what i mean)

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Added on May 10, 2009, 6:27 pmAnd u didnt contact the authority like SPCA??Maybe u have more luck than mine in dealing with them (SPCA)

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Added on May 10, 2009, 6:32 pmWed, 06/05/09:
REAL DANGERS
Our volunteer Communications Officer for the rescue mission, Zalina, brought up the issue of cannibalism and whether the dog-eating-dogs marooned on the island can be rehabilitated. Mark Jones, the Animal Welfare Director of Animals Asia Foundation chimed in:

Wild dogs learn to hunt as packs. Some feral dogs do revert to this kind of behavior, and I've seen packs of domestic dogs in Thailand that live perfectly well with people but will attack and kill a cat or an outsider dog should they have a mind to.

I think it's probably unlikely the dogs will "hunt" each other for food, although those that die or become very sick will inevitably become potential meals for those which remain. If these dogs have previous experience of people, it's probably unlikely they will actively attack anyone as a pack, although they will be scared and desperate and will no doubt defend themselves if they are cornered, so whoever is going onto the island to try and help will need to be very careful.

Disease is a real issue, particularly since the dogs were presumably randomly picked up and transferred to the island, because they will be weak and immune suppressed, and because they will have had close contact with each other and with the carcases of those which have died.

There will be a good chance that distemper, hepatitis, leptospirosis or parvovirus may be circulating among them. Is there any recent history of rabies in this area? Have those people who are planning to be closely involved received rabies vaccinations? It will be worth checking with the local clinic / hospital that they have the means to provide prophylactic rabies treatment should anyone involved get bitten.

I'll check with the local clinic when we re-visit the islands today.

Updates by TV Smith

This post has been edited by nicoty_yne: May 10 2009, 06:32 PM

You could do your part by contacting Penang SPCA. There will always be abandoned/injured stray dogs and cats. What we can do is try to contact the relavant parties and inform them of what you have seen. I've made a number of calls to SPCA when I saw dogs being ill-treat by their owners - we can't expect the SPCA be making rounds all over the place in search of animals in need - WE must do our part to help them help/save these animals.

Yeah, we understand the risks that we are facing. I know that we might actually be hindering Sabrina and team in doing their job if we were to follow them to the islands, so that is why I don't mind if we have to stay ashore to help with whatever we're assigned. My brother lives in Bkt Beruntung, which is very near Rawang, so if Sabrina needs a hand at her farm we can go over there to help out. I've previously said that I will only give the kibbles to Sabrina's farm, not the SPCA.

I've sent a rescued dog to SPCA last time (before I knew there was a Furry Friends Farm) and I was forced by them to sign a Euthanasia form because they said there was 'no more space' for the dog. I would've kept the rescued dogsmyself but it were aggresive towards my own 3 dogs and it pains me till this day to sign that form. Apart from not getting along with my dogs, that stray was extremely friendly towards people. I admit I didn't know anyone that could've fostered it for a period of time. The guilt is like a thorn stuck in my side ever since then.

The scouting trip was somewhat successful as we managed to clear some doubts. We also found new problems which we'll try to tackle before the mission day.

Posting with friend's PDA will write about what happened + photos when I got home later.

thanks A-D-Photographer.....

i will post my findings later tonite and A-D will help me post wats our finding today as well....

Thanks for the hard work guys. Really appreciate it.

Not trying to blogwhore, but tired to repeat everything so head to my blog and read my version of report for today's trip, until we have Adrian's summary.

For those who just want to quick peek at the strays, photos are in spoiler.

Poor dogs

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Added on May 10, 2009, 10:26 pmIf not mistaken, i read somewhere else that the villagers trapped the dogs (they dont chased and catched the dogs) but dunno how they done it.

Did u guy ask them?

This post has been edited by nicoty_yne: May 10 2009, 10:26 PM

This is just speculation but don't you think it wasn't just the villagers who did it?

Coordination + money + expertise to catch dogs.

I don't think your average villager has the expertise or even a group of them to organize such a huge effort. I pretty much have a good guess of who's behind the 'mobilization' of these dog catchers.

But this is besides the point and the important thing is to save the dogs.

I think I misinterpreted some of the press articles, because I was under the impression that the villagers did it. That's why I was puzzled: how did they get the 400 dogs to the pulau tengah in first place?

Do share what's your guesses.

Anyway, if we find out how they did it, we might be able to repeat the same thing, making our capturing work easier. I will make a 2nd recon trip on my own tomorrow morning and try to find that out.

Go guys, gooo!!!

Interested to join,but how i gonna go to pulau ketam from puchong?

ok.... for updates, please refer to A-D-Photographer post n pictures as well as his blog... im really kinda tired to write anything longer.... please all do forgive me as im very exhausted for the day

pictures and write ups: http://joyce-tedoen.com/recon-trip-1-sever...ral-more-to-go/

This post has been edited by adrianck: May 10 2009, 11:50 PM

Photos and video of Grace (the dog rescued):

http://birdstalkingtoo.blogspot.com/

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.p...mped-on-islands

More news on the issue.

I've been to Furry Friends Farm earlier. They are in real dire need of help in any way possible. The dogs there seem very happy, and I am also pleased to report that I have seen 3 of the dogs rescued (To date they have rescued 8, but the remaining are in the hospital for treatment)- Grace (The dog that swam to them), Hope (The first dog rescued) and Cleo (The poster dog). All three are doing well and are happy, and Grace is taking her meds (I was around when it was time for her to take her meds) well

Looking forward to the trip this weekend. Anyone from Setapak area - Maybe we can carpool together instead of each of us driving there individually? My brother and I will be in one car, so if anyone wants to carpool or go in a group is fine with me.

I've a friend who can donate two cages though I'm not sure if it's a big or small cage. Will update later.

Video of Grace being saved :


This post has been edited by chibi_tenko: May 11 2009, 10:28 AM

hi yukaeshi.. me and my friends are interested to visit the farm + my cousin is looking for a puppy to adopt. where is the farm location exactly?

I am so proud + in awe of everyone who has made the rescue effort for these dogs!

Will definitely join in this weekend's effort. Please update next week's rescue mission details

Thank you very very much

hi straxorX,

im also from puchong and me and my fren is planning to go this saturday morning. if you are interested mayb we can carpool there.. tell me your location else wait in IOI mall.. OK?

saturday isn't it too late?
by the way, i think i wait at ioi mall better . =)

Hi all....

I wish to update u guys, and before that... i would like to emphasize here again that this thread is solely for our pulau ketam mission, so i have no aganda with tv smith nor sabrina team, as i do not wish to disturb their concentration on saving the remaining dogs at pulau tengah....

Its not that my wish not to involve, but i think its better for us to do our own deeds and lets all pray for the mission of tv smith n sabrina, ok?

Ok, for yesterday expedition, im very grateful to A-D-Photographer, whom is volunteering in taking the whole journey's story n mission, dadarouch, a friend of mine, whom never fails me when it comes to volunteer jobs... n kaven n her friends (both r non-LYN) whom interested to join although they google and find out our thread here.

We arrive at pulau ketam at about 1.30pm, and straight my first task is to look for the village headman, Mr. Cha.

Got him and we spoke for around 20 mins, from the introduction, the issues of the stray dogs there, what kind of assistant that they could provide to us, and other matters.

Apparently, when this issue being highlighted on the press, media were pointing the fingers towards them... this is understood, as not many willing to get to know and understand the life of this village in depth and great length b4 the summary and conclusion comes up.

I get to know more information from the village headman, and what from i could observe and summarize here is that, the villagers had no choice but to use the last resort as even the authorities had not taken any action, prevention and so on.... this has been repeated several times, till when.... were left with no other options or alternative, only when the last resort being drawn up.

From here, i strongly against any finger pointing whom are to blame and so on... as if i or anyone else being put into that shoes, would do so. Why? because nobody wanna cares or give a damn about it, when only tragic happens, only all the things being blown up only all the hoo-hahs happens.

So, after all the introduction and get to understand all the issues and problems, then i put in my agenda and motive of being there... as Mr. Cha was abit skeptical of my intention at first, after all my explainations at length and so on, he finally accept my good intention there.

So, i ask the permission to have a survey on every corner of the island, he gracefully please do so, do help us on this disturbing issue, and do get feedback from the villagers as well. According to him, the villagers would be very welcome our good intention there.

So, 5 of us started our survey at great length, and we manage to spoke one or two of the villagers, and true to what Mr. Cha said, the villagers r kind of glad that we come to get the stray dogs out from the island, and as my bad memory doesn't down me, i spoke to an old lady (or Ah Chim as we call in our local dialect), praising us for getting the strays out, as it being nuisance and a long-standing problem for them.

So, we find our way to the end of western side of the island, in where we we condemn as Ground Zero, which later on i found out is the rubbish dump site, which is the favourite spot for the strays to stay.

Here, we could find anything that u could think of at a rubbish dump site, and i almost puked smelling the nice fragrance of the place, and at the same site here too, we could heard the strays barking far into the swamp jungles, in which we concluded is their hot-spot.

After another few minutes walking around, and a short rest at a junction of a path, we carry on to another side of pulau ketam.

Frankly by this hour, i started to felt the effect of haven't taking my breakfast or lunch as well, in which i totally forgotten about it at all b4 coming in to the island

But i insist to move on and discover the eastern side on the island, in which we found out that majority here are residential area for the villagers here, as well as a small river flowing cutting the 2 lands, and fishermen and boats could be seen here.... and this is where i excitedly found out this, i couldn't help myself to post this:



Please note this ain't photoshop edited or camera trick ok?
ot long after, my body couldn't take it anymore, and the group seen that i had weaken down, and we decided that would be our end of the survey...

I had assume to my knowledge that we had covered 3/4 of the island (which indeed is true after joyce had sent me this map below)



After a short rest having drinks, and some casual chit chat among 5 of us, we proceed to meet Mr. Cha to discuss what he could help us out and he did offer us to transport any strays that we could manage to get through a boat which ships daily essentials and stuffs from mainland to the island, and he had gave the owner of the boat to discuss the price who send the strays to the main island. Indeed, a very useful help to us as we been scratching our heads out on the cost to hire a whole boat to transport them, which in turn, would be very costly to us as volunteers.

Mr Cha requested that whether i could furnish him with a simple letter in chinese which stated that we r an independent group of volunteers wishing to assist to rescue strays on the island, and transport them to the main island. In the letter we should state that we need full corporation from the islander as well as village headman to assist us in our mission.

Here, i need anyone who could write a simple letter in chinese to them... although im chinese-ed, but im not good in writing a letter in chinese, so i could send u a english or malay written and help me to translate it. Please...................

After the short discussion with Mr Cha, we proceed to take our trip back, and last night i really cant discuss much with those volunteers for ideas, as im really run out of steam soon when i reach home, i couldn't sleep last night, as i kept thinking, what i need to do, planning and so on for next week mission... my head kept spinning.....

That's the end of my write-up, and i wish to again forward my gratefulness to A-D-Photographer aka Joyce, dadarouch aka Louis, Kaven n her friend, for yesterday trip.

we will have another brain storming session again tonight with all the volunteers.

Thanks.

Adrian

"Save A Dog" Pulau Ketam Dog Rescue Campaign

Hey Adrian,

Good luck with your campaign, I will be going to Pulau Ketam tomorrow onwards till Friday. Hopefully Saturday I can arrange my schedule to go in and meet you there.

Anyway, you may let me know if you need any help, I have already get everything well prepared for tomorrow dog rescue mission. Where are you sending the dogs to? I've got 12 people to adopt the dogs but it has to depends on the dogs' condition too, hopefully to get them a nice place.

All the best

Let's workout something if u n your team would be there....

u can anytime msn me n then we could discuss further, and if permits, we combine up and work as a team here.

Contact me when you are there, I have enough of manpower and equipments ready with me here. Don't think I have time to MSN at this point of time, because we are leaving tomorrow early morning to go there, but if you need any help you can always drop me a message.

I will suggest you to not just study about the place but as well get some people who are great with animals with you, they will know how to take care of the dogs, secondly, bring more dog's food too. How many cages have you get? Do you have contact with any vet for the dogs? In case you manage to catch some, send them to the vet for check up first.

Anyway, you are only going on Saturday which on the day I have other event, I might or might not be there on Saturday. Due to my pack schedule I have no choice but only to do it on weekdays, well on leave mah, who cares? A life is more important than the money.

good luck in your mission then

erm well coz i have work at weekdays.. only free on weekends. we should lias more once confirmed by adrian..

Thank you.

If you need any help, you are welcome to drop me a message. This team that I'm bringing in with me to the island is a great team and all of them are great in dealing with animals, that's why I pick them. Even though most of them are at the mid 30s but they are really great in contributing their help.

Perhaps I might update you here when I am back tomorrow night if I have time, or I will get someone to update you about it, it might be useful to you. Anyway, if my 200kg of dog foods not finishing in this few days, I will arrange to pass it to you, you might be able to use it, also for other equipments.

skysherly.. are you on a mission for the dogs in pulau ketam itself or those abandoned dogs in pulau tengah and other small island?

I am bringing about 30++ people, we are going to separate to two teams to work on Pulau Ketam and Pulau Tengah.
If let say Sabrina needs more help from me, I don't mind to shift a team for her, or even get another team for her, since she knows me (my dharma name).

Adrian, I understand why you say you do not wish to get into Sabrina and TV Smith's rescue effort at the other islands. I sincerely thank you for your efforts but we have to consider where we are going to place the dogs after we have gotten them off Pulau Ketam.

Like I've mentioned, I do not wish to participate if the rescued dogs are to be placed at SPCA because 80% of those rescued dogs will end up being euthanised due to lack of place at their compound. I have suffered the guilt of having one of the strays that I have rescued being put to sleep on the very same day that I sent them to SPCA and I WILL not again suffer the guilt of saving the Pulau Ketam strays only to see them being euthanised due to whatever reasons.

I am not a pro-life fanatic and I believe in euthanising animals that are in the last stages of their lives due to disease or internal injury - not because there's not enough space to place them.

Please, try to get hold of Sabrina and see if we can place some of older/sick dogs and puppies at her farm. Those dogs need more love and care than the healthier ones.

Please understand I'm not trying to be difficult but I want to make sure my efforts in saving those poor dogs will not end up having them being euthanised in the end even though they are not dying of terminal disease.

please be noted that we will have a online discussion of our coming mission later TONIGHT @ 9pm....

we will setting up a protemp working committee as im not able to handle everything here, lets be more transparent, work accuracy in our planning.

those interested can add me on msn @ adran_ck@hotmail.com...

Skysherly, does Sabrina require help over at Pulau Tengah or even at her farm? I think the urgency is to save those stranded at the cluster of Hell Islands rather than those at Pulau Ketam itself. Since Adrian have spoken to the village head, we've managed to buy some time for those dogs. I'm very worried for the weaker and smaller dogs trapped at Pulau Tengah.

Anyone here have access to fishing nets? If we can't grab the dogs, worse scenario is that we use fishing nets to catch them (if they're near the shore where there's not much trees + branches)

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Added on May 11, 2009, 6:26 pmAdded you. See you tonight at 9pm


This post has been edited by chibi_tenko: May 11 2009, 06:26 PM

I have nothing further to add to this discussion, but to state that I agree with chibi_tenko and to say that it is the truth. There is a possibility that SPCA will euthanise the dogs rescued, particularly the older and sicker ones, and if they are, what's the point of saving them eh? Intrinsic motivation?

If you're really serious on saving the dogs lives, give them a fighting chance. Give them to some place where they can really live out the rest of their lives with love and care.

yes i myself do not agree on sending those dogs that we rescue on pulau ketam island to SPCA itself. I'm trying to contact some other dog shelter for those dogs.
One of the consideration is 'Malaysian dogs deserve better project'. Unlike normal animal shelter,they will try to promote the dogs they have to be adopted by public.

I'm having problem with my msn now,stupid...will try to get back msn asap.

She needs a lot of help at Pulau Tengah and her farm too. It is obvious that the sooner we can get rid of those dogs in that hell island will be better. The worst condition is actually in Pulau Tengah, not Pulau Ketam, thus we will pay most attention in Pulau Tengah first. I might even organize a trip to help her out in her farm during one of the Sundays.

I do strongly disagree to put the dogs with SPCA, what is the point of getting them out there and sending them to another place where they will also have high chance being put to sleep later on. They might be able to live even longer.

Yes, one of the equipment you need is fishing net, just in case you really can't get hold of any of the dog, you need to set up some nice traps to get them but not those hurtful traps.

Anyway, just try our best to save as many as we can.

Please keep us update should there is an event on that. I'd like to join. I am a dog lover, I could volunteer bath the dog, give them a good scrap and massage.

I, too, strongly disagree on sending the dogs to SPCA. We have to give them a fighting chance after the ordeal they have been through.

I'm one of the volunteers in FFF, and (Sorry if I am off topic) Sabrina really needs all the help she can get too. Currently on weekdays, she goes to Pulau Ketam in the mornings, goes to work in the afternoons and is at FFF at nights (Though she does drop by in the mornings as well). It's only during the weekends does she actually get to get any work around the sanctuary done- things like maintenance, housekeeping, bathing the dogs, etc. and with 100+ dogs, she can't do it alone. Currently FFF is open on Saturdays and Sundays to volunteers, but it's best to contact her just in case.

But for now, what's imperative is trying our best to save the dogs on the island.

I'm all set to go mates.. Update me on the details stat! hehe
dog lover here.. or rather animal lover

This post has been edited by fluotone: May 11 2009, 11:42 PM

ok...latest updates....

we had concluded our meeting moments ago, the working committee has been set up.

details and info will be up by tommorow, all of them was very tired, and have gone offline.

meanwhile, i have a volunteer at pulau ketam staying overnight whom will constantly updates me of his findings from morning till this moments.

will compile also and post it up tommorow too.

please be patient while everything compiles up

Have a good sleep, guys. We need fresh brains and bodies to work together

good morning!

before i got post up yesterday meeting outcome, below are the findings of one of the volunteers whom stay back at pulau ketam overnight:

1) 17 different strays spotted since yesterday morning. possible hot site has been marked. identified 2 hot spot of the strays favorite ground. Ran off on the sight of human presence.

2)Night catch/mission are impossible, due to poor lightning and the risk of falling off from the platform are there.Strays senses human presence will ran off even from distances, a couple of fierce strays howled. Proof that there are in groups, possibly huge numbers, eg. at least 10-20. Stopped exploring as midnight approached.

3) Tidewaves didnt reach the inner part of the island, info from the locals stated it would be at random, whether high, medium or low tides. Strays dont always come out on the platform, but they do howl alot during the nights.

4) Went under the slits at around noon time. Very smelly and dirty as well. Found one dead puppy, lying on the muds, cant do much but to just leave it there as too deep into the below the slits.

Pictures will be updated as soon as possible. Many thanks to Joyce for his contribution here

12.47pm
Updates here: http://joyce-tedoen.com/house-to-house-underground/

This post has been edited by adrianck: May 12 2009, 12:47 PM

[B]HI ADRIANCK,
I just came to know from a friend that there is this rescue mission organised by you. I think your handphone number is missing a digit ?
A few friends and I are interested in joining your team for further dog rescue mission and thought it'll be easier if we can contact you direct for info.

I know I missed the rescue on 10 may...please let me know if you guys are making another trip on another weekend??

thanks
Angel(alhn1)

sorry, i didnt notice my less number, i had fixed it... and again my number 012-2726777.

you are free to join in... i will update here on daily basis for sure, and contact me directly thru phone is only on very urgent matters.

thank u for all your supports and interest here.

salute you dude!!
great job!
regret that I cant participate, as I have some obligations during wkends..
anyway, will help in whatever way I can for these living beings..

This post has been edited by A_K: May 12 2009, 04:43 PM

Finally I'm back and can't wait to share.

We arrived the place at around 9 in the morning. We were separated into few boats to work together in getting the dogs, but seriously look at the place by myself, I couldn't hold my tears at all, not only me but quite a number from my members too. Why? Because it is really like a hell island, it looks so scary! It looks so pitiful for those dogs.

See, there's no place for anyone to stand on at all, whole island full with branches and trees, there are also a lot of poison snakes, eagles, and bones!!! Dead dogs around every where, from the boats we could hear the dogs barking, I guess they are barking for help, they are also in an urge to get out from that hell island.

Long story cut short, we tried many ways to get hold of the dogs but seriously couldn't. There are some dogs get stuck in the branches, we can't reach them. Most important, they ran very fast when they saw us. Pity them. We used food to make them come out but many times also they manage to run off. Luckily we manage to catch a puppy but with the price of a cut on one of the member's hand and I dropped my sun glasses. Well, overall, worth it!

We make a mistake for didn't carry enough of water with us, we ran out of water by noon, well we thought per person with 3 litres of water will do but who knows the weather is killing us! So we had no choice but to call it off earlier for today. We are going to set up traps to get hold of the dogs, as well we will be bringing some weapons with us such as parang, because of those blardy branches block our way. We do carry some big pieces of wood too so we use it to place on the boats and the branches, we could walk on it but it is very dangerous too. Actually this is not advisable but no problem la, do it quietly lo.

Anyway, the female puppy we manage to get by today was given a name -Gigi. It's because when we got her, she was shivering, like the sound of gi gi gi gi gi gi like that,so just name her Gigi. One of the member saw her so cute and decided to take her home, now she is with the vet I think.

I'm so tired , even this sound like nothing much for many people, even I have never thought it would be this tiring and exhausted but seriously, it's like killing. Not only physically but also mentally. Imagine those carcasses, dead dogs, skeletons around the mangrove shore, that island really deserved the name of "hell". Seriously it's a very scary nightmare.

Guess, that's all in my mind right now, really can't think of anything.

This post has been edited by skysherly: May 12 2009, 05:23 PM

"Save A Dog" Pulau Ketam Dog Rescue Campaign

--- UPDATED --- 11th May 2009 ~ Online Discussion ~

Committee Members
(Kindly note that voting process were used to vote for the seats, and emphasize here is that the position is not permanently based, and subject for review from time to time)

Team Leader :Adrian

Assistant Team Leader :Anne

Secretary :Joyce

Treasurer :Adrian (for the time being until suitable / any interested
volunteer to take over)

Head of Logistics :Joni

Head of Media & Comm :Joyce

Assistant Media &Comm :Louis

Team Member : Ming, Edmund, Kaven (non-LYN), Celine.

*Note* : Those whom i miss out or interested to be part of this team, please pm or msn me,
i will include you.

A brief job scope of the above positions:

Team Leader: In charge of overall operation and oversee missions carried out

Assistant Team Leader: To assist and to stand in for Team Leader is he’s not available

Secretary cum Media & Communications: Post information and updates of the mission

Logistics: Arrange equipments for missions conducted

Treasurer: Keep records of donations from the public

Please note that we do not accept monetary donations. Those who wish to donate money can donate to Sabrina’s Furry Friends Farm (FFF) or Malaysian Dogs Deserve Better (MDDB).

The Pulau Ketam dogs’ well being is important to us but utmost priority will be given to puppies, sick, old and pregnant dogs. Anyone here who knows where we can temporarily board the rescued dogs, please either reply to this thread or PM Adrian.

Agenda for this weekend

Although the initial plan was to start the rescue mission ASAP this weekend, we realized that at the moment we are still lacking of information such where the rescued dogs are to be sheltered and how to go about ‘catching’ the strays in Pulau Ketam. Careful preparation and planning is required, that is why we plan to pay a visit to Sabrina’s farm to discuss about boarding the rescued dogs at her place and perhaps discuss with her on the best method to ‘catch’ the strays.

16th May 2009 (Saturday)
Activity: Ice-breaking cum brief discussion with the LYN Dog Rescue Mission members.
Time: 9pm
Location: SS2, PJ (exact location TBA)

17th May 2009 (Sunday)
Activity: Pay a visit to FFF and discuss with Sabrina for next weekend’s excursion to Pulau Ketam
Time: 12pm-5pm
Location: Furry Friends Farm

======END=====

Special thanks to Celine for helping out to write the minutes.

hi skysherley,

from your description it does sounds hard and scary. may i know when is your rescue mission ending? what else you guys will need because me and my fren is hoping to contribute and also help out in any ways we possibly can. so far i've managed to get some donations already..

This post has been edited by mun2: May 12 2009, 05:38 PM

Indeed, it is very hard and scary, I actually cried on the spot when I saw the place, may be I'm too weak to see that. For the time being, I don't know when will this mission end, I just hope I can do as much as I can for the poor dogs, just wish to get them out of there for the time being. If you are free, contact TV immediately!! They need a lot of help! Even donation also will be good. I'm lucky as I managed to raise up enough of funds from friends and team members to cover the cost for everything.

i've actually contacted sabrina yesterday... but till now no reply i shall cc to tv and see coz we are still in dark as what we can provide and what other costs involved... as of now i can get a van/those four wheel truck, food, cage over... most prob will be asking around for more donations plus supplies from pet shops... (else a discount will do)

most importantly is what are the costs so that we can estimates and also what supplies are necessary. Thanks so much for your help.

Guys, instead of every other person contacting Sabrina or TV Smith, please post whatever help you guys can provide in here and let 1 or 2 person do the calling. It'll be very confusing to both of them if different ppl calls in to offer help and etc. Everyone please work together for the dogs' sake.

Thanks

Get vet!!! Because those dogs need medical treatment from vet, so better get some for them. For my cost actually quite high, because we rent a bus but got discount la because I know the owner mah, but haven't come to conclusion for the price yet as I'm not sure I will be using the bus until when. Then cages I got 10 but all are contribution from the members as most of us are animal lovers, we have cages so just bring ours lo; as for the boats, we rented and really a big bomb, it costs us up to RM2500 with discounted price for today

As for dog foods, I've got people to donate around 200kg of dog's food, so I'm not sure the exact cost. What else? As for vet's fee, I've got friends who are vet, so foc As for gloves and other things, also contribution from the members. I'm lucky because I manage to get people to donate, and contribute.

Actually, the most costly part will be the boats, vet's fees, and dog foods, others I think are still alright, also the land transport to transport the dogs. Well, just try your best to help them.


Actually this is the first time I got on to a boat, this is also my worst experience in doing charity, the ever first time I'm so scared and screaming and crying like hell. May be because of the snakes, I'm actually very scared of snakes.

Contributors:

Panasonic88 - Chu Kang Boots
Nezumitaro
Non-LYNer

This post has been edited by dadarouch: May 12 2009, 11:46 PM

Agree, just post up here whatever you can do and provide, even if you are free to go for the rescue campaign, let us know the dates, once everything stated out clearly, it will lighten up their work too. I can pass to Sabrina and TV since I'm in contact with them.

No matter what it is, no matter you know me or knowing whoever, we have the same goal in this mission, that's to save the dogs. Why want to bother who to work with or who to talk to? Even we went there to work in a team, but when we meet others, we work together, it's not important at all do we know them or not, the most important thing is, able to save as many survivors as we can.

Well, I've never use my own name for any charity work, even Sabrina will not know who is skysherly because skysherly is only a nick of mine in the forum, but never appear in my charity work.

Gotten the translator already, but we still need volunteers. Contact either one of us to get your name in. Thanks a mil.

This post has been edited by dadarouch: May 12 2009, 11:47 PM

thanks dadarouch....

on a note, sorry n apologize if i cant pay every attention on every one of your message, wishing to volunteers, etc...

since the working committee had set up, please every related to each issue, do refer to the respective person-in-charge....

i would like to concentrate of my side n overall issue...

somehow i still can be contacted though....

hope those reading this will understand my situation

tq

hi there... from what you said here.. i think the cost is extremely high.. and the effectiveness is very very low.. ie: per trip caught bout 1-2 dogs or in sabrina case 6 dogs.. somehow there's got to be other more effective ways to catch them????

alrite i will take a note and most prob contact you / adrian again instead of 'kacau-ing' tv and sabrina...

That is exactly the reason why we are holding off the Pulau Ketam visit this weekend and discuss the best way to handle the rescue mission with Sabrina. I know everyone have the best intentions but better prepare carefully so that every trip made to rescue the dogs are not in vain. Anyone interested in joining us at FFF this weekend or for next weekend's Pulau Ketam mission, please post here. The committee will take note of those of you guys that's joining.

Don't get too excited first. As mentioned, careful planning is required. Sabrina and TV Smith are working very hard to rescue the dogs at Hell Island, so don't bombard them with calls/emails at the moment. The Pulau Ketam dogs are not in serious condition as the ones at Hell Island, so there is still time for us plan the next step. Anyone who have any ideas to contribute on how to trap the dogs (to get them off the island), kindly post their ideas here. Thank you!

As mentioend, one of the ideas I can think of is to use fishing nets. Another idea is to ask villagers to help us catch the dogs <-- might not work coz some of them might expect monetary reward. Anyway, feel free to contribute ideas please.

This post has been edited by chibi_tenko: May 12 2009, 10:28 PM

My contribution, as per discussed with Adrian on MSN.

Initially, I wanted to buy as many cages as possible, however, the cost for a cage is not cheap, it is out of my budget.

However, I was inspired by this photo,



I read about you guys blogs and feedbacks, it seems that the area at Pulau Ketam / Pulat Tengah is harsh and not easy to deal with. Muddy, dirty, broken nails & kayu, trash, poisonous reptiles, bones (omg) etc etc. Therefore, I believe you guys need a safety foot wear to protect yourself.

Yup, the yellow safety boots!

I will contribute 10 pairs of Safety Boots (since my company is selling it, so I am able to buy it at a good/staff price).

Will get the sizes from Adrian. We have ready stock for shoes size 4, 5, 6, 7.

This post has been edited by panasonic88: May 12 2009, 10:36 PM

Such a tiring job, but all worth if when u managed to save even a dog.. But i hope more will be rescued soon...

I myself cried when saw all the photos in all forum and websites i visited OMG cant believe how many weeping souls on that island.

Please take precaution and take a good care of u guys safety during the rescue mission. My pray will always be with u guys *hugs**

Guys, dont forget to put on cap and boots and gloves. And dun forget to drink a lot of water (which means bring along a big drinking water). Dont fall sick after the mission due to dehydration. Now weather is very very bad.

This post has been edited by nicoty_yne: May 12 2009, 10:41 PM