alrite guys tanx for the info.i decided to buy ON whey protein but for creatine i still have no idea what to buy for myslef since this is my 2nd month only .should i buy cell-tech hardcore or sth?

If you buy Cell Tech you'll be the greatest idiot alive. Even the Americans make fun of it as overpriced shit. You'r best bet is Universal Creatine. EAS's brand ain't too shabby.

Creatine is creatine. Don't get influenced by all the hype.

yeah it's overpriced .can i find this universal thing in LYN? can u recommend 2 alternative n how much would it cost roughly?tanx in advance

I recommend REYZAI. He has always given me excellent service. Very punctual and delivers on time as promised. Search up his name on this site. That's the exact spelling. He has a thread with his number there. But don't call him, just sms him. The last time i bought a Universal Creatine with 100 servings, it was around RM80 or so. But the creatine i bought was from another store though.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Apr 15 2009, 02:06 PM

tanx mate.. and for the protein do u recommend me to buy ON whey protein which i decided to buy or something else?

CEE is a better blend of creatine. No bloating and all. Better option if you have extra money

more info plz on CEE .how much would it be>?

hum... lot of creatine blends they add in oth funny ingredient instead of just creatine alone e.g. green magnitude from controlled labs. Most of the items are sort of overpricing since, wat we need is creatine not those chemical stuff that claim to enhance the creatine and bla bla bla which 90% of them are bullsheet and make the bottle looks fuller.

UN monohydrate creatine is good enuf and it is micronized.

Bloating rarely occurs in the common trainee. I don't think he'll have to worry about that. It's just marketing gimmick. Creatine is still creatine.

Well said bro. You can see through it too eh? The worst scam is liquid creatine. That product is a piece of shit.

yeah, your best bet would be to get plain ol' Creating Monohydrate.

The cheapest creatine mono I've came across is from Egonutritions, RM64 for 500g. Thats about 100 servs

There have been mixed reviews on CEE ( creatine ethyl ester ) . Perhaps the thread starter should read up some reviews for a better picture

i get gnc cre mono...200++ buy 1 get 1 free last 2months i think..its worth it..other then dat gnc stuff still expensive...btw wheres egonutrition? sgwang ,lot10,times square have?

Brand ?

Inside The Curve, 2nd Floor Beside ECKO park

thx bro...will get it there when my supply runs out..

I am using UN Creatine powder. Its pure creatine monohydrate (without any flavouring).

you can get it from musclefuel (he has a thread at garage sales). His price is definately cheaper then ego (in fact i think his pricing is the cheapest that i have come across).

didnt put a price on the item...oredi pm him...thx

Yea, I too find it a bit irritating, but its worth the price

Can we ban this muthafker? annoying seller

Whos the seller?

yeah? whos metalfreak so angry with?

nvm, I think Pizzaboy removed that spammer

Just a guy joined that very same day and posted his supplement sales on every supplement /bb threads

I have been wanting to try creatine, got myself un mono but can't stomach it. You guys got any experience with this ?

Can't stomach it as in what sense?
By the way, I am considering Creatine as well now to help in growth.
Is this the one everyone recommending?


or this



This post has been edited by Kelv: Jun 17 2009, 01:55 PM

im using the second one. seems to be good enough. add some glucolin for the insuline spike and you are good to go!

EAS Phosphagen and ABB crea-force, quite cheap too




Chow

this is the one I mentioned before.
in terms of price for Creatine Monohydrate, nothing beats Egonutritions Creatine:


500g - RM64
1000g - RM102

I'm currently using EAS Phosphogen, but thats only because I discovered egonutritions a couple of months after I bought my tub.. heh.
So far its the only brand I''ve used so I cant tell if brands really do play a difference when it comes to creatine mono.

This post has been edited by tineagle: Jun 17 2009, 06:38 PM

Suddenly so many choices, become undecided.
Perhaps will go for the simple one like UN Creatine or Egonutritions Creatine.
Thinking of add into my Whey for my PWO shake.

for creatine monohydrate, just go for the cheapest ones. no need for all those fancy shytes. its how you spike your insulin when taking it that matters the most.

My plan is to have 1 serving creatine + 1 1/2 scopes whey + 1 scope glucose as my post workout shake. Will it be sufficient? Definitely will be too sweet I guess.

Btw, I heard some said creatine should be taken before and after workout. I think I read before somewhere in this forum before. I don't take any pre-workout shake. Normally I go workout 1 hour after my dinner.

This post has been edited by Kelv: Jun 19 2009, 03:00 PM

How?

hehehehehehehe. shit. you actually did read between the lines. hahahahahaha. no nid for IGF and all. my all-time-fav is glucoline.

hey, u guys take creatine+dex after workout then a while later only take whey or take creatine+dex+whey together after workout?

Just wondering how u guys take it. A lot of debate regarding this.

i mix whey+dextrose+creatine at one serving.

There's research showing that protein taken with carbs improves its absorption. Also, the insulin spike will help deliver more protein molecules to your muscles

what you think mods do? they read everything you write
Do you wait for 15 minutes before or do you instantly take it?

Hm, but there are also sayings that protein and carbs slows down the carb absorption in which we actually need it to be fast absorb into our body to recover the lost glycogen and at the same time provides creatine bla bla..

Btw, like for me, I take whey(chocolate), vitargo(orange), bcaa(watermelon) and creatine postworkout. I cant imagine what taste it'll like if I blend it all together especially choc+various fruits.

i'd mix two glasses, 1 for the whey and another for the fruity combo stack; then take them 1 after another.

Taking your shake postworkout with high GI carbs like dextrose wont slow down the protein absorption. Taking it with lower GI carbs like oatmeal might.

Everytime i take creatine, 2 hrs later my stomach will churn & i cirit birit

I would strongly advise those interested in or currently taking creatine to take the time to read this article:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article..._up_on_creatine

interesting artical

I love this part

"So even though creatine is considered a settled issue in gym culture — it's safe, it's simple to use, it works — there's probably a lot about it you don't know. Even if you're currently using it, you may still be using more than you need, or not getting all the benefits you could from it"

I bought this UN Mono Creatine today at Egonutritions.
Thinking of trying, that's why bought the cheapest one.

I am confuse with certain instructions from the label.

1. It's suggested to be taken on empty stomach.
2. Loading and maintenance cycle.
(Week 1 - Loading, 20g/day)
(Week 2-5 - Maintenance, 10g/day)
(week 6-8 - Off)
I read about cycle and some source said it's not really compulsory.

This post has been edited by Kelv: Jun 22 2009, 03:07 PM

Kelv,

U may skip the loading period and save some money. It's not necessary.

Drink loads of water when consuming creatine ~!

Read the article from the link provided at previous page ~!

Cheers ~!

Ya, got read that. That's why confuse why sometimes those product label mislead newbies.
First round testing using this brand. Might change to cheaper ego in house brand next time.

yea... i skipped the loading thing.
just 5grams per day mixed with whey. (post workout)

just curious... how much do u guys take it per day?

skip loading. I just take mine post workout.

Don't really need to waste it on rest days, but thats just me not wanting to overload by body and let it get used with too many ingested supplements.

So, typically creatine only to be taken on workout day?
Normally how much? 10g/day? Before and after workout?

hi what does creatine give you? is it a requirement after take whey protein

but how good is MuscleTech CELL-Tech Hardcore?
How come is so overated?
anyone tried their fruit punch or grape flavor?

based on the reviews i gather...
"Bought the Grape flavour few days back and it has already worked wonders for me! Other than that, I find that the tast is a bit too sweet. You will have a weird 'spicy' feeling down your throat which may be attributed to the sweetness. The feeling will go away soon though. In addition it leaves weird white particles on the wall of my bottle too, which took some scrubbing to remove them. Other than that, it is a great product for all who wish to become buff!"

Muscletech products are commonly overhyped for the secret ingredients mixed into the product. Muscletech is also generally more expensive than other brands.

gosh so many threads bout creatine...mod, could you just combine it into 1 ??
another creatine thread
and another

guys, is it sugar source (eg glucolin) or sodium (isotonic) pump better ?? just for my knowledge here...

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Added on August 23, 2009, 11:17 pmwe should continue creatine discussing here....

This post has been edited by diablokun: Aug 23 2009, 11:17 PM

Hey man..hows the creatine working for you? Im planning on getting some myself today. I take ON protein aswell. Its either im getting the Ultimate Nutrition or the Universal Nutrition creatines.

Those of you who take creatine, I strongly suggest you read this article, it will clear up alot of issues for you:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article..._up_on_creatine

does creatine makes our skin dry?
because during loading phrase (i always do loading,so im going to follow my body)i feel like my skin is very dry,i need to put cream on it.i usually take 22gram during 7days of loading. is it too much?

creatine sucks water...22g is too much imo...try 4g pre and another 4g post workout...maintainance phase should be max 5g...

I plan to get the Ego creatine. Since its cheaper. Do u guys know how to trigger insulin spike? Which fruit juice to be added in order to create insulin spike? Since Acidic fruit juice is not suitable. On the muscleandstrength site, it suggests to mix Grape juice.

glucose or starch(complex cabs) would do the trick.

For a perfect mix of both, use a banana.

dextrose @ glucolin...for less money, just add grape juice...

Heya,

im not using creatine, but i saw some1 here using the Ego Nutritions Creatine and iv been very indecisive bout buying the ego whey... how is the Ego Brand Fairing.. hope u all don't mind me asking something out of the creatine topic..

thanks guys
Curious over Ego Brand Quality

In the long run, dextrose will prove to be a cheaper choice.
Those 300GM packs, sold in kedai ubat cina, for kids one, is the same. RM11 maybe. Pretty cheap.

buy ego or other brand all same la
why go and get cell tech la cell mass la
bazir
what u want is monohydrate minus all the crap
and ego is the best cuz of value
im using it right now
its 99.9% pure and i think it saves a lot of money
rm91 je for 1000g
i do loading but only take it upon rising (30mins after glutamine + whey) and post workout

u mean rm11 per 300gm pack or?

Just got my Superpump 250 today. This is my first time buying it. Can i mix it with ON? And how about non-workout days? When should i take it?

Superpump is a prework supplement. Er... ON as in ...wat supplement?

The 100% whey protein. Can mix it together before workout?

Nope...

Alright. When should i take it during non-workout days ?

In the morning and before going to bed if you really must.

However I wouldn't take NO supplements on non-workout days

i wouldnt take it until i know my body deserves it
badan macam kmaru or darklite can la
haha

Why not?

take in waht on non workout days ?

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Added on September 4, 2009, 3:04 pmDo you love the effect of Super Pump250 ? if yes why, is it because of the pump and strength ?

Its is good to take arginine on workout and non workout days but it is a waste to take Nitrix Oxide (N.O) on non workout day.. Imagine you take it and go to class or work or what so ever and you feel so alert and pump up.. You start screaming "Yeah give me more" haha

So you're a beast at the wrong place, my suggestion no harm to take it on non workout but it will be a waste..

This post has been edited by Kmaru: Sep 4 2009, 03:04 PM

whey and creatine is a good thing to take on the non workout days...but as for your superpump, it is not advisable to take it on the non workout days...unless you want it to act like some kind of FB...??

I'ts help when you got sleepy head to go to the class in the morning

Superpump is not cheap eh, but it contain creatine and NO , if i were u i wont take it on non workout day.

Normal day, whey or normal food cukup.

there are alot of other things you can do to keep you awake.. taking NO supplements for staying awake in classes is too much! lol

as for creatine, i think Gaspari size on is best!!!

Thanks Desvaro, for the article.
I just got my Universal Creatine today, and have no idea how to use it. SHould i load?

It isn't necessary to load, but you can if you want to.

Just follow the instructions in the article.

Remember to drink a lot of water once you start taking creatine.

cant agree more
i try creatine bulan puasa, and my face kering gile
haha
luckily take 1 litre in sahur and 2 litres at nite after buka

Not really recommended to take during puasa month haha.

Maybe you should back off during the puasa month, then use it again after Raya, you might feel a stronger effect of the creatine. Of course it won't be as strong as when you initially start taking it, but in my opinion it's better and healthier than taking it without water throughout the day during fasting month.

Where did you get the Universal Creatine from? RM80, pretty good deal there.

I'm looking for creatine too. Plz help.

I take creatine during this fasting month
after berbuka / workout and before bed-time.

Doesn't feel hydrate

Hey guys,

Is it okay if I take BSN NO Xplod for pre-workout? Can I take this to replace creatine for energy instead?

NO Xplode IS a pre workout supplement.

Look at its contents, you will see it already contains more than one form of creatine in it.

Thinking of giving NO Xplod a try. End of this month la, now not enuff cash flow.

hi guys... im new in bb.would like to ask urs opinion..
im takin scivation vasocharge (creatine+NO) alone as pre workout.
take it almost a month but seems like dont quite feel the pump tat it claims.is it me or the product? should i change to normal non flavored creatine as u guys suggest? thanks

for vasochange you will feel more on tingling sensation and also stamine, nothing much on pump..

so change to normal creatine? or other u creatine u suggest...

NO Xplode is pretty good but in some country like Singapore and Australia, they've banned this product due to ???

Dats true but some will immune to it. How I know, cos I've tried it before. First week will feel the tingling sensation on your face but after that you won't feel it anymore. Its like taking NO Xplode, first few days you'll feel the pump, then days after you won't feel it anymore and this is based on user feedback.

Credit to Creatine-Monohydrate.Org

Types of Creatine
Creatine was discovered in 1835 by a French scientist. Creatine is considered the most popular and the best supplement for athletes and other sportsmen. It is found naturally in red meat. Creatine is a derivative of amino acid, most commonly, methionine, glycine and argenine. It is used to gain strength and develop muscle mass.

Creatine was initially not so well known and became popular only in the 90's. There are many varied studies that prove it is both safe and effective.

Function of Creatine:
Creatine involves two primary functions.

* When in taken, there is a notable increase in the size of the muscle cell.
* It acts as a source of adenosine triphosphate which is an immediate source of energy and this leads to growth of muscles.

Types of Creatine:
Creatine has three main types:
Creatine Monohydrate:

It is considered the most common among all other creatines. When a creatine molecule is mixed with water, it becomes creatine monohydrate. The composition of creatine monohydrate is almost always 88% creatine with 12% of water. In other words, 880 mg of creatine is present in every gram of creatine monohydrate. These days, creatine monohydrate is micronized and consumed.

However, creatine monohydrate has its own disadvantages.

* It is found to be not so effective when studied on the molecular level.
* There is no penetration into the muscle cell.
* Sinceit is hydrophilic, there is no penetration in the lipid layers.
* It is dependant on other nutrients for energy transportation.
* There is no efficient transportation through lipid since its semilipopholic
* And creatine bloating is one of its major side effects.

Creatine Citrate:

Water solubility is one of the reasons for the popularity of Creatine Citrate. In simple words, when put in water, it dissolves readily and rapidly. Creatine citrate is a product of binding citric acid with creatine molecules. Theory states that, the combination of citric acid and creatine gives relatively greater muscle energy than citrine alone. However, it is not practically proved.
Disadvantages of Creatine Citrate:

* Creatine is 40% les than it is found in monohydrate.
* Creatine citrate is expensive when compared to creatine monohydrate.

Creatine Phosphate:

When creatine bonds with a phosphate molecule, it results in creatine phosphate. It acts as a source of adenosine triphosphate and gives more energy to sportsmen and athletes.
Disadvantages of Creatine Phosphate:

* It is found to be less effective when compared to creatine monohydrate.
* It is expensive.

Creatine Malate:

As the name suggests, when malic acid binds to creatine, it forms creatine malate. It is believed that malate has higher potential than monohydrate as it is necessary for creation of energy.
Creatine Ester:

It is called creatine ethyl ester formed by the binding of an ester molecule to creatine. This was first created in the medical center of University of Nebraska by mixing an acid with alcohol. It is said that this can permeate the cell membrane effectively.

Apart from all these, there are effervescent creatines and magnesium creatines that are less commonly used.

i been gnc and the craetine there selling for rm88 is that ok??

How many grams? Ego can get cheaper.

Gaspari superpump 250.

Dude, if u wan energy and pump i would strongly advice u to take Coffee + high carbs + protein preworkout meal.

What's the name of the creatine?

6a6y6lue, thanks for da info.
jamis,super pump 250 damn expensive la. maybe i should try Coffee + high carbs + protein preworkout meal that u suggest.

hmm u expected a pump with a name like No Xplode?

don't you think it's better to get them thru food

should be Creatine plus..
your body damn nice huh...how to train >< teach me lol

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Added on September 26, 2009, 12:43 pmbtw, can i eat creatine together with weigh gainer??

This post has been edited by FirstOne: Sep 26 2009, 12:43 PM

Thanks for the compliment. Anybody can have do this if they put their minds to it.

Sign yourself up at a gym and go from there. I'll find a lot of information on the net on how to start. What i'll add is that you review your current lifestyle and learn to eat nutritiously. Set realistic goals for the next six months and stick to it.

As for stacking creatine and protein, yes no problem with that.