marry her and be a good dad. abortion is a sin, a very big sin

this thread is turning into a pro-life / pro-choice war

Yes, its all about YOU again....
You are just too scared to take the challenge but rather stay comfortable becoz its all about YOU.

This is rather funny, i assume u wont be "poking" her or other girls for fun anymore huh?
How come this never came to your tiny weeny mind when u were "poking" her?

This is just a forum and people commented based on their personal view. I think, you need to seek further reliable opinions. Go find a shrink.

But like they say, opinions are like assholes and every one has one. So here's another one: Abortion is necessary if and only if the baby had complication and affected the mother's life. Everything else are just excuses. If we can f*** dignity and f*** pride by resorting to abortion then we can certainly beg, steal, hack, or whatever to rise the baby. Only dead people deserves to give up. But TS already presume that he will never make it including the baby's future so, all the best.

abortion is never the right choice .. not only you kill a child , you seriously will cause great damage to ur gf's health ... and the aborted child will always be in her mind for the rest of her life .. if i were you .. i will NEVER want the person i love so much to undergo such pain . i rather work harder to raise the baby ..
juz my opinion.. since you are working ,, you should have preparation that one day your gf will be pregnant ever since the first day you had sexd.. not worry about it once she miss her period.. cmon lar .. berani buat ...berani tanggung lar ..
true .. some ppl tried very hard to have a child .. but will never have .. they can only look at admiration at other couple being happily with their children... so ., be grateful of wat you have .. dont take it for granted... or you will lose it ..

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Added on March 23, 2009, 2:52 pmomg .. wat had this thread turned to ? ...
chill lar .. guyz ..
why go personnal attack again ?

This post has been edited by AngelOfDestruction: Mar 23 2009, 02:52 PM

ja marry.

dont tell her parents dat she is pregnant.

jz tat easy .

What about you oh Noble One? If you're so passionate about the life of the child, why don't you finance them during the pregnancy then take care of the child when its born. You said its not difficult right? You can certainly talk the talk, but can you walk the talk? Its so damn easy to say things, to condemn others, to act superior, lets see some action.


Of course he has to think about himself and his partner FIRST. If they can't take care of themselves, how can they provide for the child? I'm trying to lay out points for you, and give a proper argument for the pros and cons of the choice. What can you do besides using emotionally loaded arguments and attempting to take the moral high ground based on complete and utter ignorance?

Abortion is not a choice I would always advocate, it really depends on the circumstances. Think about the situation, and see what's the best available choice. There's really no point in making everyone's life miserable. A child you can make again when the circumstances are better. I've been avoiding turning this into a discussion about when life begins... but lets face it, this first trimester its not even "alive" yet. You might as well call all females murderers cause they shed an egg once a month

As I said, get out in the real world and start actually having some real responsibilities. Then you'll start to understand that life is filled with tough choices. He doesn't like the idea of an abortion. He knows its impact. He knows the responsibility it entails. He knows that he's not ready to raise a child, so he's not going to let a child suffer for it. Yet you people can't see that, all you can do is try to act like you're morally superior, like you know better. The level of immaturity and lack of rational thought is simply amazing in this forum.

watermelon and pineapple might help ??

Best summary of the thread. I noticed most posters dont seem to understand that TS isnt exactly happy about having an abortion. Its not an easy way out, but rather a last resort that imho would be the best given the circumstances.

Unfortunately we live in a place where everything needs money. It is no longer those days where raising a child means adding one more bowl of rice.

Most of you here are still young. Probably still in college or had been working no more than 10 years. You may think everything is going well for you now. Very often we're disappointed with the working life. Not everybody can make it to the top you know? Few more years and a lot of you will see that our salaries do not go higher.

Before you think about starting a family, you need to think about money for getting married. What about a place to live? You can live with your parents but will your spouse be able to cope with that? There are many couples who had to move out due to the partner having difficulty living with in-laws. You have no choice but to get your own place.

Next... do you know how much it costs to have a normal delivery? Easily 4-5k for a baby. If there is complications, you better be prepared to come up with 10k.

Money aside, all this adds strain to the relationship. I know I will have emotional break down if I ever face this kind of situation.

Personally, I will not make hasty decisions without thinking of the consequences.

If my bf is capable, financially stable and both of us know we can make it no matter what happens. I won't need to worry about what if something goes wrong. Guess what? Getting intimate will feel much better too.

I hope TS fully understand the risk.

Please read sos maggi kicap tomato

I'd say.....forget the mom....and have the baby. At least that way, no one was murdered and you've done nothing wrong and based on whatever religion you follow, you won't go to hell. There will be hardships having the baby but in the end i'm sure you'll look back and think, you've made the right choice. The way I see it, your gf is just using her mom as an excuse to not have the baby. Her mom dying of stroke due to the news is laughable, and at best only remotely plausible. In fact she might even be happy she will get a grandaughter before she kicks the bucket.

People who think killing the baby is the right choice, they are wrong. The bottomline is, abortion is illegal...and its illegal for a reason. If you choose to abort, while no one may catch you, you will have to live with the guilt for the rest of your life.

Do the right thing.

All the best.

Whatever birdy fren....

If u think your life are more important and that baby will absolutely be doomed if borned into this world, then just go ahead to abort it.

Afterall, its not me that has to bear the consequences when judged by whoever or whatever...

Btw, Whether its "alive" or not it depends how u judge it..
Just like some vegetarian consumer says its ok to eat eggs whilst some says not (although usually production eggs are not ferterlized and cant turn into a chicken)...

Your rational thought is more amazing...

if not enough $, just register married enough, dun always thking of getting a USD100m wedding dinner n 50k diamond ring, b more reality, make it simple n all ur friends n relative will thank q n bless u from the bottom of their heart! try to talk to her mom in a polite n sincere way, sure she'll bless u 2 if she really love her daughter....

just my opinion, if u got beaten by her mom, just run like hell!

well is it more scary to kill your own kid or to tell her mother that u and her had a kid.u decide

My response to wacky-angel:


To all who are against the abortion, and who think its easy to raise a child. Why don't you offer to help take care of TS's upcoming child? Go help them bear the medical cost for labour, and you can also help take care of their child for them. Its easy ma right, money can get wan ma right... you want to save a life don't you? See if any of you would put money where your mouth is. Its sooooooo damn easy for you condemn others and judge them, but NONE of you would walk the talk.

So if you can't do as you talk, just shut up.

i pity the bb, how could u

Do not use her mom as an excuse to abort the baby. You haven't even tell her yet, why made you two so sure that she would freak out, have a stroke and die? Maybe in the other way round, she would be happy that she'll finally have a grandchild.

One of my friend has a very strict mom too. Although she's an adult, she still has to follow a curfew given by her mom which is to reach home before 9pm whenever she goes out. But as they say, the more you are stricted to do something, the more problems you'll create.

She was also accidentally pregnant and was scared to let her mom know too. Because she thought that her mom will kick her out or slap her or hit her if she knew that her daughter is pregnant with the bf that she only knew for around 4 months. :/

But in the end, both of them took the courage and tell her mom that she's going to be a grandma soon. And guess what is her mother's reaction?

Confused at first but the day after that, she treated her daughter extra good knowing that she's pregnant. 2-3 days after that, she was so excited that she's going to be a grandmother soon.

Don't be a coward.

Take this as a double happiness (Seong hei lam mun)

Furthermore, by doing abortion your gf is at risk of not conceiving at all in the future. Would you want to take this risk?

When that happen, what are you going to tell her mom then?

"Auntie, your daughter cannot conceive because last time she had done abortion before"

That's way worst!

Since you said that you and your family are ready for the marriage, then discourage her from the thoughts of abortion and encourage her to face her mom instead. Be there for her when she breaks the good news to her mom and face whatever that needs to be face together with her.

Good luck.

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Added on March 23, 2009, 8:18 pmAnd to those who thinks that bringing up a baby is costly, is hard, is tough, this are all STUPID EXCUSES!

Have yourself a baby first before telling people how hard it is going to be a parents. WTF! Furthermore, TS and his gf are not young kiddos anymore, they are adults for God's sake!

My and husband only earn peanuts with salary less than RM5K when both our salaries are added together. But we are able to rent and stay on our own, give my mom monthly RM1K allowance and take good care of the baby. I even gave birth in a private hospital although we don't have any savings left after our wedding.

When there's a will there's a way.

WHY DON'T YOU THINK OF HOW TO MAKE MORE MONEY AND HAVE YOUR FINANCIAL SECURED INSTEAD OF WASTING YOUR TIME THINKING ABOUT HOW TO GET RID OF THE BABY?

This post has been edited by PinkGenie<3: Mar 23 2009, 08:41 PM

ROFLMAO...

If u didnt noticed, the JUDGE i mention is the God.
But heck, i know you are your own god.

POP QUIZ

A) What does the bf and gf and their parents have and also the little infant have?

B) What does the bf and gf and their parents have but the little infant doesn't have?


Answer:

A) A LIFE.

B) A BIRTHDAY, guess what? you all people who went decided go abortion gets to celebrete your little birthday everyyear, and what happen to the little guy who don't even see the light of the world? such selfish and stupid decided been made especially regarding financial issue or hard to raise a baby, think about it.



Another POP QUIZ

C) What is the different between heartless murderer and the people who decide went on abortion due to financial issue?
Answer: NOTHING


If abortion been made due to mother's health then only is a no choice decision.