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 Girls are money minded, And be proud of it.

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post Mar 30 2009, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(twosonsaudio @ Mar 30 2009, 05:03 PM)
Your advise to choose a husband in terms of monetary value is seriously flawed.

So lets say

A. Not very rich. But hardworking, industrious, thrifty, saves every penny, smart in investing, a natural entrepreneur. This category fits a lot of young adults these days.

B. Rich. Drives a sports car, father's a datuk in big time corporation. Holds a managing position in dad's company.

If we follow your advise, I guess you will ask the girl to go for B isnt it? Even if she doesnt love B at all.

Tsk tsk tsk how narrow minded women these days are.

By the way I was the A guy. My fiancee chose me over B. I wonder why eh?
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Well its not a formula, and I never say always go for the richer dude, I've mention many times, everybody has their own standard in terms of rich, for me those who earn above 10k/mth is good enuf. If b4 getting married I've 2 guy chasing me, my hubby and the datuks kids I'll go for my hubby.

Maybe some girls dream is to drive a BMW so they'll probably go for the datuks kid.

I guess you just simple shoot without reading or following this thread.
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post Mar 30 2009, 08:46 PM

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You're theories and philosophy are very historical.
Caveman age, where the women took care of the babies, they will choose among the strongest man. Correct.
And a few centuries ago, a lot of women are still illiterate, stays at home and still mothers the man's child. They don't mind if their husband is polygamous, the more wives, the richer, the prouder, the stronger. Correct.

And now, this era, come on, woman, you still need to leech on a rich man in order to survive? In order to be happy? In order to be proud?

We have the right to fight for monogamous relationship. We have the right to earn our own cash. Do you still think woman should not work, and just taking what the man brought home? And be happy if the man brought home a loooot of money.

I don't think I can be proud, if my husband is filthy rich but doesn't loves me or treat me accordingly, or the other way round.

I don't think wealth can guarantee happiness.


Added on March 30, 2009, 8:52 pm
QUOTE(parsona @ Mar 29 2009, 10:55 PM)
You're not understanding me.  I'm the type that believes in equality in all, be it race or gender, hence I do not believe that women should be treated like a sex object or as a cook.  I'm saying that for those women who choose men based on how rich they are, these women do not deserve gender equality, instead they should be treated like how women were treated thousands of years ago.  They should shut up when men are talking, obey when men want sex, and cook when men are hungry. 

I did tell this to my gf, and she agrees with me.  I treat her as an equal and I expect to be treated the same. 

So go on ahead an be proud of choosing a guy based on his cash, but don't you dare complain when he cheats on you with younger sexier girls or when he demands that you shut up and cook.
Women have come a long way from your example of 'thousands of years ago'.   Your suggestion of being proud to choose a man based on how rich they are has just set womenkind back a few decades.   If I were a woman, I'd hate you.
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I couldn't agree more.

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I back-read a few previous debate here and somewhere in between, I read that Moorish stressed on financial stability. Yes, that's very very important.

But what I do not agree is your first post

"So girls, be proud when you choose a rich husband, and to those girl who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the mother instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice."

I still insist love is more important. Love can sail the boat a loong loooong way. Yes, of course, money are important but still wealth doesn't guarantee happiness.



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No matter who u choose , as long as u are happy is ok but got money but not happy, will u choose that? u may have everything in this world that can get by money but not love and loyalty. can u stay by that? U have friends that only come to u because u have money , without money ur like a rubbish to them.
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QUOTE(moorish @ Mar 30 2009, 12:09 PM)
From the first post it is obvious both man is head over heal for the girl, so the chances of both gets corrupted later is equal. But you put it as if the rich will change while the poorer one will remain adamant which is not true in real life.
Everyone in this world is looking for Mr.Right or Mr.Perfect, I'm not saying this man do not exist but maybe only 0.0001% of girl in this world will get to marry this elusive man. The other 99.999% will have to settle for someone lesser, and here is why give and take have to be weight.

Love is something exciting in the beginning but eventually love subside and reality kicks in, struggling putting dinner on the table is not exactly romantic and will sap the love so quickly like you've been electrocuted.

You talk about equality, do you like to come home to a house clean and tidy, where warm food are cooked and a glass of coffee made for you after dinner?
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Most of your posts in this thread is simply excuses for you to justify your 'money mindedness'. You seem to stress that love is eventually pointless in life. You are entitled to your opinion on love of course, so let me ask you this. Since you believe that women should go back to your 'thousands of years' ago period where they select men that give them security (money in this era), would you agree to your husband cheating on you, disrespecting you, etc since thats how women were treated back then? After all, you don't really believe in love, so why would you care if your husband cheats rite?

Another question for you. Since you always claim that the money that you are after is for your kids, and not for your Myvi driving self, why don't you put in the effort to be as rich as your hubby so you can provide for your kids? Why must it be the husband who does it? Why do you take the easy way in life by just choosing a rich husband to get rich, instead of getting rich by your own doing?

Like I said earlier, if you only mean to tell people that its ok to girls to choose men who are responsible and can manage to bring up your kids decently, thats totally agreeable with everyone I'm sure. But your posts says that girls should be proud to choose rich husbands... that justs points to you being a money grabber who prefers to get rich on someone else's effort.

Finally, to answer your question.
Yes, I would like to come home to that clean tidy house. Who wouldn't? But in no way will I demand or even ask that my wife be the one that ensures a clean tidy house. I acknowledge that a home and a family is a combined responsibility, chores at home will be shared equally among equals.
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QUOTE(<3<3<3 @ Mar 30 2009, 09:26 PM)
No matter who u choose , as long as u are happy is ok but got money but not happy, will u choose that? u may have everything in this world that can get by money but not love and loyalty. can u stay by that? U have friends that only come to u because u have money , without money ur like a rubbish to them.
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If can have both, win win?!?
Odds are slim, but trust me they do exist!! But these gems have their standard also but not as high as u think =p
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post Mar 31 2009, 11:41 AM

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It is not up to us to decide if a man changes his heart, I do not agree with sharing my man if given a choice, but unfortunately I've seen too many man fooling outside. I've seen the poorer man and the richer man womanizing, the consequences of the both

The richer one can still provide for the wife and kids
The poorer one will sweet talk you to work and fend for yourself and the kids while he fend for the one outside.

How many times had I emphasize that the possibility of the rich or poor man womanize or fall out of love after 7 years tying the knots chances are equal ? what makes you think that just becoz you're lovey dovey with your bf and he will remain like that eternally?

If you;ve frens, or relative who had divorce, try to CSI her case, are they not so in love to the point that even parent object they still go ahead and then what happen?

And I'm sure you also have frens or relative who had married the richer or poorer and still going strong too. And so you know the chance are equal.

What makes you think those who are rich isnt enjoying their life? touring europe with their children on school holidays, getting a 1carat diamond ring for your birthday, enjoying your SPA and facial treatment at exclusive place, driving your BMW, having a maid to take care of choir, and shop like crazy with a 300sq/ft walk in wardrobe to fit in all your dress. And dont be fool into thinking that love doesnt exist for the rich man, he is afterall also a man.

Those woman that shed tears everynight are those with husband that are fooling around outside and has fallen out of love and definitely they dun cry because their husband is rich, because the poorer man's chances of this are equal.

Wealth doesnt guarantee happiness but love also do not guarantee happiness, you're again talking on extreme end here.

I'm not trying to change your perception or choice, obviously you can can choose love or whatever, but why insist those who do are wrong or hate them just because you disagree when they dont hate you for your choices? Am I spose to hate and not talk to my fren who had chosen love and got divorce and tell her dai sei?

if you look at the extreme end, you divorce a rich man you still able to get a house or a fat alimony for your kids, when you divorce a poor man you most probably have to even pay the divorce lawyer fee! or some cases haunt by ah long.


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QUOTE(moorish @ Mar 31 2009, 11:41 AM)
if you look at the extreme end, you divorce a rich man you still able to get a house or a fat alimony for your kids, when you divorce a poor man you most probably have to even pay the divorce lawyer fee! or some cases haunt by ah long.
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I LOL at this, I don’t know why. From the way you explain, look like you trying to look down on poor people. Don’t forget you are poor last time. Now I start to lost respect to you again.

I don’t know why poor girls when suddenly become rich, sure act very lansi and look down on the poor. What a shame. Real rich girls (since small) normally don’t have this kind of thinking, because they already bored with materialistic world. And they need something beside the money, which is love.

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post Mar 31 2009, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Mar 31 2009, 11:56 AM)
I LOL at this, I don’t know why. From the way you explain, look like you trying to look down on poor people. Don’t forget you are poor last time. Now I start to lost respect to you again.

I don’t know why poor girls when suddenly become rich, sure act very lansi and look down on the poor. What a shame. Real rich girls (since small) normally don’t have this kind of thinking, because they already bored with materialistic world. And they need something beside the money, which is love.
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I do not look down on poor people as I'm not even a millionaire or close to it, I do not drive a BMW or stay in a bungalow, I do not have maid myself.

But we're debating on the rich and poor wife's chances and the possibility of her future. Because most of you think that marrying a rich man will end up a disaster like as if marrying a poor man is the correct and absolute choice.
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QUOTE(moorish @ Mar 31 2009, 12:00 PM)
I do not look down on poor people as I'm not even a millionaire or close to it, I do not drive a BMW or stay in a bungalow, I do not have maid myself.

But we're debating on the rich and poor wife's chances and the possibility of her future. Because most of you think that marrying a rich man will end up a disaster like as if marrying a poor man is the correct and absolute choice.
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What if I am not think like that? Actually, marrying rich guys is ok. But, the way you explain it is like insulting the poor.
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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Mar 31 2009, 12:03 PM)
What if I am not think like that? Actually, marrying rich guys is ok. But, the way you explain it is like insulting the poor.
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Because if you open the spoiler "kii"'s theory, mention that marrying a rich man will end up unhappy and most probably disastrous. So this is why I point out what makes you think rich people are unhappy?
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Saying rich guys or poor guys fooling around girls huh? I now even scared girl cheat my feelings tim...

TS... being selfish is OK... but if you went too extreme... outcome will be extreme too...

LOVE is essential among humans...
MONEY can lay foundation of a stable relationship...
FUTURE PROSPECT is what girls have their eyes on guys to guarantee their relationship will last...
After girls get those 3 things above, they tend to forget something and simply blame to guy.
The things that can guarantee the relationship will last is the effort of MAINTAINING RELATIONSHIP.

TS... you claimed you seen too many cases of many poor/rich guys fooling around and direct assume that guys at fault....

Actually there are various cause when thing goes wrong. You never think what makes men fooling around except than their own fault.

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I think the problem is the title of this topic that make people think negative, while everyone have a point and meant righteous but the direction is wrong which boosted such practice.

I am one of the casualty who got divorced because I turned out to be a bad choice for a husband, her parents gave her the impression that a man should provide a comfortable living for her even if she choose not to work but my profession can only earn RM1800 to RM2,500 back then.

As a boyfriend, I am doing well but not as a husband with a lazy wife and let me tell you this; you are either good luck, bad luck or no luck in life, and it cycles, no one is lucky forever.

When struck by bad luck, everything will crumble because most of the average income earner can only lasts 1 to 2 months if become unemployed, illness / hospitalized or anything can drain your savings, when that happens you need time to recover and then time caught up with your age and wasted years of affords.

Don't just say you have seen or heard stories that it won't happen to you unless you are better prepared to face the unexpected, even so, I want to feel love again and will find someone with the same ideology and nobody is to blame just the big reality beyond our control.

You could get cancer even if you adhere to proper diet, no smoking nor drinking and killed in a road accident that wasn't your fault. No one is completely right or wrong just exchanging thoughts here.

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QUOTE(parsona @ Mar 30 2009, 10:03 PM)
Most of your posts in this thread is simply excuses for you to justify your 'money mindedness'.  You seem to stress that love is eventually pointless in life.  You are entitled to your opinion on love of course, so let me ask you this.  Since you believe that women should go back to your 'thousands of years' ago period where they select men that give them security (money in this era), would you agree to your husband cheating on you, disrespecting you, etc since thats how women were treated back then? After all, you don't really believe in love, so why would you care if your husband cheats rite? 
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Just because a man has standards and chooses to ask a pretty girl out and ignores an ugly girl, it does not mean that he is only looking for sex. He just wants to make sure he FALLS IN LOVE WITH A PRETTY GIRL.

Just because a woman has standards and chooses to ask a rich dominant guyl out and ignores poor shy losers, it does not mean that she is "money minded". She just wants to make sure he FALLS IN LOVE WITH A GOOD PROVIDER who could help raise successful offspring.




How the hell did you come to the conclusion that people who have standards dont believe in love?????





EVERYONE BELIEVES IN LOVE. It's just that some people are picky and want to fall in love with other people they perceive they can attract. The game of love is cruel... many end up settling for less...and falling in love with people who arent jessica alba or some hot, monogamous rich guy.
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Human being is greedy, hard to be pleased and very few people will feel satisfy with whatever they currently have now. Regardless is money, power or love & caring.

To me, TS is a 'quite' insecure feeling person, who wish to get hand on either money, power or love & caring to make her feel more secure. There is nothing wrong with it as everyone in this world deserve to seek for thing they want.

But isn't that learn to let go and learn not to 'own" anything make us happier? As we needn't to scare to loss anything.

I use to heard something like this from the movie Star Wars III:
"If we don't learn to let go something/someone that we scare to loss, we will be the slave to that."

So to say, TS becomes the slave to the insecure feeling that she make up by herself. Remember, whatever action or thinking we input, we will get the same opposite output from the people around us.

You demand for a rich husband that can give you lot of security feeling, you will end up payback the same amount of other thing (something only you will know) to balance up that. If you think you feel happy about that, go ahead, be my guest. wink.gif

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Guys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. It seems useless to debate with TS, because she is spoil and corrupted.
Sorry TS, i have no bad intention but that's what i think.

Remember that money can be gone as fast as u get it. Maybe today u're rich, but it can be totally upside down
the next day. It's not like love, respect and trust.

That's all i wanna say..... Seriously it's useless to debate with TS, the more we say, the more she will answer with
her corrupted opinions.
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QUOTE(Ghost-Squad @ Mar 31 2009, 10:09 PM)
Guys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. It seems useless to debate with TS, because she is spoil and corrupted.
Sorry TS, i have no bad intention but that's what i think.

Remember that money can be gone as fast as u get it. Maybe today u're rich, but it can be totally upside down
the next day. It's not like love, respect and trust.

That's all i wanna say..... Seriously it's useless to debate with TS, the more we say, the more she will answer with
her corrupted opinions.
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