wow, so long duno where to start....anyway here goes to sincro first coz he PM me with this

Actually if you've follow this from the beginning, everyone say average guy will do, average income in malaysia is 2-3k for guys agree? hence I use the 2k quote, ok I'm being a bit dramatic I couldve use 3k, so if you complaint I use the top of the average that is 3k.

So do you think the happy family you've describe will work in KL, with 3k salary?


because you keep saying rich and no love or choosing the rich over love right?
So I'm saying I'm only giving the rich a chance for me to fall in love, just like
I will only narrow down my choice of husband only for chinese.
You're chinese you;ve no problem with this
if you're indon and bangla, you will start the same arguement with me...
choosing race over love, means I put race first instead of love.


Do you agree? or you still wanna argue with me? you wont coz you fit in the requirement?
hence you dun give a hood for those down there
same as the rich has no problem with my theory,
but the average income has a problem.




you didnt answer this part did you?

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Added on October 10, 2009, 9:28 amRich coming from a chinese speaking, "yau chin", means like you put it abundant, got extra got saving, can afford a house or more, a car or more, a kid or more, insurance for everybody, rich like a guy who earn 10k or more.

so how do you define rich?
10k? 100k? 1000k income?

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Added on October 10, 2009, 9:37 am

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Added on October 10, 2009, 9:51 amMore and more woman comes out to work, because their granmother and their mother told them to fend for themselves because man are unreliable. Its coming from a defective point of view about man.

Something like those days we dun need to take supplementary for vitamins and minerals, but nowadays we do, and its something to be proud of, it is actually not, it means the food is not giving us the nutrient


This post has been edited by moorish: Oct 10 2009, 03:25 PM

OI.,....PM is cheating!!!!!!!!! And for sincro's information, silverhawk hadnt post because he is busy, not because he think any lesser of this thread.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: Oct 10 2009, 10:06 AM

now soulmate is a heavy word to use, if you meet that soul mate whom happen to be a bum apa macam?

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Added on October 10, 2009, 10:19 am
I look down on man whom are impotent to provide and yet whine in here, go build your career instead of wasting your time, if you manage to prove me wrong you think you can tackle megan fox tomoro with your misearable salary?

And yes I didnt read the rest of your posting because you phaild to debate like a man

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Added on October 10, 2009, 10:22 am
I'm coming from even the woman wants to be with him but he is incapable of providing or convince her that he be able to take care of her, she wants to start a family with him and that is good moral.

But you're coming from character flaws of a man with shallow thinking, heartless and the motive and intention behind is purely to have fun.

You still didnt get the point, it was about starting a family not about BMW hence I say mother instinct not kick in.

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Added on October 10, 2009, 10:24 am
there again I caught you, you've more respect for working mothers, people who earn money, but fulltime mothers are seen less respectful (now this is coming from you)

Aint you money minded too? gosh talk about me being money minded.

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Added on October 10, 2009, 10:31 am
I've asked you about how much is considered rich and until now you still running away from this question which you even show me an online dictionary, and now what? you wanna ask your kindergarten teacher?

my education is form 3, and if you cant debate with a form 3 drop out....pls reconsider and think again how competitive this world has got

so how much is rich mr smartass

3K, 5k, 10K, 100k or 1000k income permonth?

Now this is like the 5th time you brought it up and asked you back.

This post has been edited by moorish: Oct 10 2009, 10:31 AM

No relevant point worth debating?

Asking u questions from different angle/scenario to see what is your point of view related to ur topic stand also cant?
By answering clearly will shows others what u actually mean and set as example for others to follow.
You didn't, instead you try to add in different/additional factors of ur own view to my questions trying to cover urself .

You also simply edit ur front page and delete off big chunk of your own words...
and now trying to act as u are "clean" not so corrupted with $$$ or didn't gave any wrong impression/influence for others.

Smart.... like i've said early.
A leopard will not change its spots.

No matter how hard u try to reply, chg or edit topic post ... most of ppl who follow this thread know wat is your earlier MAIN intention was.

This post has been edited by viper88: Oct 10 2009, 10:39 AM

Ah...maternal instinct. I understand where you're going at. Sorry its just that from the way your posting it USUALLY seems as if ur refering to just the BMW. Could be just me, but sorry for misunderstanding nonetheless.

Be it how many different questions you guys ask me, i can use the same answer to answer all. My theory is simple, it's you guys that shallow minded enough that can't accept many things in life needs money; it's you guys that shallow minded enough that work hard for more money = materialistic enjoyment; you guys are just too shallow to think that ALL who aim high are only with a purpose - materialistic.

Regardless of how much you love your gf, one day your financial is not stable, you are not ready to go for marriage.

sorry, my english is bad.
but i just want to say your statement seems the same like those shallow thought guys here: aiming for financial capable husband because i want to go for my personal luxury enjoyment, which i have already told you earlier on that for my personal high maintenance would all be on my own, nothing to do with my husband. I want my husband able to bare the expenses if uncertainties happen in future, which this can only be done if he is financial stable.

Regardless of how much you love your gf, one day your financial is not stable, you are not ready to go for marriage.

Mr. A is financial stable because he study and work very hard to earn more and more money. One day, his mother falls sick, urgently. So without hesitation, he sent his mother to the most reputable hospital despite how expensive the medical fee would be.

Mr. B is rich because he study and work very hard to earn more and more money. One day, his mother falls sick, urgently. So without hesitation, he sent his mother to the most reputable hospital despite how expensive the medical fee would be.

Now you tell me, if someone who is self-motivated to earn more and more money, aim high, and he spends his money for his mother for the best, is he wrong? You tell me?

I want my husband able to bare the expenses if uncertainties of family happen in future, which this can only be done if he is financial stable/rich.

Ok, i answer your question.

Mr. A is financially sufficient/decent income because he study and work very hard to earn more and more money. One day, his mother falls sick, urgently. So without hesitation, he sent his mother to the most reputable hospital despite how expensive the medical fee would be.

Mr. B is rich because he study and work very hard to earn more and more money. One day, his mother falls sick, urgently. So without hesitation, he sent his mother to the most reputable hospital despite how expensive the medical fee would be.

So you tell me, what is the difference between sufficient/decent income and rich?

Now you tell me, if someone who is self-motivated to earn more and more money, aim high, and he spends his money for his mother for the best, is he wrong? You tell me?

I want my husband able to bare the expenses if uncertainties of family happen in future, which this can only be done if he is financial stable/rich.

I dun care bout money at all.. im juz 'wutever' type of girl.. if i want sumting, i juz lookie round n make sumting out of anything.. is there sumting wrong bout me???



This post has been edited by cicakidop: Oct 10 2009, 11:24 AM

i go gym first. please feel free to flame me.

You think you are old enough to understand the real world? You are just 28.
And don’t look down at guys in CC. You didn’t even know their background. I’ve met many, what can I say, I believe some are even richer than your husband.

Sorry to say this,debbie,from your post above,you arent any different from moonrish now.

How about modern day women who works and strive hard to have a secure future for herself or with her other half? Do you just expects that all women should find a rich husband and marry him to be a full time housewife? At the same time,giving up all her achievements in the work force for a family. I dont see why one should do that.

This is the 21st century,not back in the 1950s where women do not work at all which is completely different from now, where women works and some of the time,achieves better than men.

I believe in gender equality and the freedom of choice,than men should work and women takes care of the family at home.

A soul mate is not important to you?

I don't define it by a quantifiable figure. You should know by now that in my arguments I never use tangible figures because I don't believe in looking at a bunch of numbers when you pick someone. "Rich" can be misleading because it's obvious from these discussions that people have different definitions. The most common indicating that one is upper class.

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Added on October 10, 2009, 11:57 amWell we don't live in an ideal world. Unlike "fortunate" women like you, many other women work to help provide the best for their kids. Nurturing a kid is one thing, but then you have to consider education. Which parent would not want to send their kids to the best schools.

You say it's proven. Well I'm not going to ask for facts because all I know is a lot of people I know, myself included were raised by working parents and I turned out alright. In fact, we all turned out alright. Some of our mothers are single and stay with us. We have good jobs, and are comfortable. How much better could we turn out? I don't know but I'm happy with the way I was brought up.

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Added on October 10, 2009, 12:00 pm

God do you realise how shallow you sound? You have to work because men are defective?

Well then women only have themselves to blame for not being able to fend for themselves isn't it? Geeze I actually took some of your viewpoints seriously until you said this. Good luck living in your medieval world. I hope for your sake, you never have to fend for yourself.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 10 2009, 12:00 PM

DEFINITION OF RICH: You keep spending your money but your money just won't finish. Poof. Gone. Now THATS rich.

In the animal kingdom, male animals will do their best to lure the females. Like birds. The one with the bestest nest wins the female, etc...

in human world, women too chooses the bestest male to mate. But, in humans, things get screwed up, and goes haywire. Thats why animals live in harmony to their ecosystem, but humans will destroy everything they touch. In the human kingdom, the weak survives equally with the strong. So you have weak genes running about.

So one cannot apply animal kingdom rules to human kingdom rules.

Women must know their place. Be submissive and feed the family & work WHILE taking care of it (ie cooking, washing cleaning etc). Husbands just relax in front of TV and read newspaper.

Thats all folks

Can buy property by using cash.

I got a friend whose father buys EVERYTHING by cash. mercedes, house @ shah alam GOLF club (he now owns 3 houses), House @ Setia Alam (4 and still counting), BMW etc BY CASH. His credit card is for wife use to buy branded stuff nia. I think those are black money thats y

P.S. he cheated on his 1st wife, loyal to the current

I've heard of many cases where men with money will be philanderers. 99% of their mind they think about sex. 1% on other things.

I think you're one of them, or richer. hahahaha

u heard it but no its not true.

After all that has been said, I'd like to focus on a couple of points.

Women work because men are "defective" and cannot provide for the family
One cannot say that just because men hunted for food while women stayed home to care for the home back during the days of our forefathers, that the same symbiotic relationship is applicable today. The main thing you fail to take into consideration is change, and as things change, so do we or we become extinct. Dinosaurs were wiped out during the ice age because they could not adapt to the cold. As nature intended however, life evolved and animals like the woolly mammoth had thick fur to protect themselves from the cold. If your husband goes bust and cannot provide, you blame him for being stupid. Who is it that chose not to equip herself to be self sufficient in such a situation again? It's why there are prenups right? You can blame men all you want but that isn't going to change the fact that in the event of anything unforseen, you are not able to fend for yourself and it was down to a choice made by you.

Back then there was no concept of currency. You looked for a cave, called it your own and protected it from intruders. There was no social class, unlike today. The playing field was flat back then, unlike today. Back then the strongest survived, hence why men were the hunters, because we are genetically designed to be physically stronger. Today, the physical advantage that men had over women has been marginalised. Women can make money just as easily as men. Women today are less feeble and weak simply because we need not rely on brute strength anymore for survival. It is why you see more and more women rising to the fore. Not because they have to, but because they now know they need no longer be seen as the weaker sex anymore. There is no better feeling that earning something through your own hardwork. If you were an architect, the feeling you get from sitting back, admiring the majestic piece of architecture you just designed is orgasmic. If you were a surgeon who had just performed a complex procedure saving the life of a patient, you'll feel a great sense of pride. There respect you'll garner is immeasurable. Not too long ago, this was a man's world but no longer. Women want a piece of it too, and kudos to them I say.

You really think Margaret Thatcher or Benazir Bhutto walk up on day and said, "Men are useless, think I'll become Prime Minister to feed myself"? You reckon women like Oprah Winfrey, Ellen Degeneres, Condaleeza Rice, Hilary Clinton, etc are doing what they are doing because they have to? If this were true, they would not be working anymore because the wealth they've accumulated is sufficient to sustain them for this life time, possibly even the next. Stupid women. They should have relied on men eh?

Men work, women stay home and make babies
This is somewhat similar the title discussed above. I'm now going to focus on our perceived roles in society. I hear women and men talk all the time about not wanting to work. They complain about their jobs and yet I find that it's mostly superficial. Often, they draw a deep sense of satisfaction and self worth from a job well done. The wonderful thing is that jobs there days do not discriminate when it comes to sex anymore. Women can wash cars and men can cook. Women can join the army and men can decorate the house.

Many of the great chefs in the world are men e.g. Gordon Ramsey, Ferran Adria, Wolfgang Puck and so on. Many of the great designers in the world are men e.g. Armani, Versace and Dior. What about interior designers like Olsen, Redd and Drake? Now in the world you come from, these people cannot exist because they are in industries that advocate what is perceived to be a woman's duties. Condazeela Rice as Secretary of Defence? Come on, we're talking about war, that's a man's job. Today, women account for 20% of the US military. They were forced to join you reckon? Even if they had to work, why the military? Does it pay all that well? Why then? Ursula Burns become the first black woman to run a Fortune500 company earlier this year. You reckon it's because she had to?

The point I'm trying to make is that women these days are just as hungry for success, recognition and respect as men are. Because we now live in a world where the playing field is even, women are rising to the fore, not because they have to but because they want to. For years women have fought to be seen as equals to men and I am glad that they've made progress. There is nothing wrong with being a housewife, but don't think for a moment that women work just because they have to. It's arcane to suggest that in light of all the changes that have taken place over the years, that women should confine themselves to playing a supporting role. Fairplay if you want to be a housewife, but don't insult other women who have other ambitions.

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Added on October 10, 2009, 2:00 pmOh and debbie, after reading several of your posts, it isn't your English that is the problem. It's your comprehension. Time and time again I see you repeating the same points even after other posters have addressed them. Is it a memory thing maybe? Let me give you an example. I'll just focus on one of your points:-



No one is suggesting that money isn't important. No one is suggesting that money doesn't make your life easier and more comfortable. The issue here is that you seem to think that men are expected to be the sole providers. Therefore when you look for a guy, you are assigning a dollar value to him. It's different to when a guy offers for you to stay home, than when you expect to stay home. Focus.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 10 2009, 02:08 PM