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post Oct 10 2009, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Oct 9 2009, 08:33 PM)
Whatever.
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thats your best come back line? you couldve at least say you agree or not agree.


QUOTE(POYOZER @ Oct 10 2009, 11:30 AM)
You think you are old enough to understand the real world? You are just 28.
And don’t look down at guys in CC. You didn’t even know their background. I’ve met many, what can I say, I believe some are even richer than your husband.
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Dun look dont on guys at CC?
Theyre guys that doesnt respect or lesser respect for fulltime mom
there guys who label full time mom as prostitute, leecher, shamelessly asking money from husband.
Are these respectable guys to be champion?

or post is simply to "loh fab goh mei choy"? means winning the last consolation comeback line?

I think I can guarantee you is my life experience is far more richer than most of you.


QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 10 2009, 11:31 AM)
Sorry to say this,debbie,from your post above,you arent any different from moonrish now.

How about modern day women who works and strive hard to have a secure future for herself or with her other half? Do you just expects that all women should find a rich husband and marry him to be a full time housewife? At the same time,giving up all her achievements in the work force for a family. I dont see why one should do that.

This is the 21st century,not back in the 1950s where women do not work at all which is completely different from now, where women works and some of the time,achieves better than men.

I believe in gender equality and the freedom of choice,than men should work and women takes care of the family at home.
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First of all this is never about woman not working after married,
its about the husband expect and demand the wife to work,
then also expect the wife to play mother and also chip in on finacial.

You could've at least admit, money is difficult to find, if get a wife willing or able to help out then yu're greatful.


QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 10 2009, 11:36 AM)
A soul mate is not important to you?
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Another interesting aspect to debate:

Thats why I say such a heavy word to use...soulmate
and that is why I ask what if the soul mate is a bum?
Do we go on believing in the name of love and marry him and have children and then children all end up no education or mat rempit?

Or do we follow my concept and find a man we love lesser but can provide security and comfortable life for our children, interesting angle.

Lets debate on this and see where it goes.


Added on October 10, 2009, 3:04 pm
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 11:53 AM)
I don't define it by a quantifiable figure. You should know by now that in my arguments I never use tangible figures because I don't believe in looking at a bunch of numbers when you pick someone. "Rich" can be misleading because it's obvious from these discussions that people have different definitions. The most common indicating that one is upper class.

And that is why you shouldnt attack on the rich part, because neither you nor I can put an exact figure on what is call rich. So you should just let it be.

To very poor people, 5k is super rich, another famous word would be "fatt tatt"
to a millionaire 5k salary he would die and its extreme poverty.




Added on October 10, 2009, 11:57 am

Well we don't live in an ideal world. Unlike "fortunate" women like you, many other women work to help provide the best for their kids. Nurturing a kid is one thing, but then you have to consider education. Which parent would not want to send their kids to the best schools.

Seriously I intend to send Noreen to normal chinese school, no need private or internation school, sekolah kebangsaan would be my choice. Reason is I want her to be down to earth, to see and feel the normal peoples life like what I've been thru, this way I believe she would grow to be a better person.


You say it's proven. Well I'm not going to ask for facts because all I know is a lot of people I know, myself included were raised by working parents and I turned out alright. In fact, we all turned out alright. Some of our mothers are single and stay with us. We have good jobs, and are comfortable. How much better could we turn out? I don't know but I'm happy with the way I was brought up.

It is proven trust me, coz recently I've read books on nurturing children and read the same fact from 3 very famous Doc, Gleen Doman and Janet Doman, and another book by Dr. Portman.

About turning out alright, then S26 and breast milk baby also can grow up and become doctor, why bother with breast milk?

It is however proven breastmilk give higher IQ and less health problem because they contain antibodi.


Added on October 10, 2009, 12:00 pm

God do you realise how shallow you sound? You have to work because men are defective?  rclxms.gif

Well then women only have themselves to blame for not being able to fend for themselves isn't it? Geeze I actually took some of your viewpoints seriously until you said this. Good luck living in your medieval world. I hope for your sake, you never have to fend for yourself.
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Maybe you dun come from a female point of view, like I say if you talk to girls, and when they're comfortable then start questioning them, why a career or a skill work for the less fortunate, which my mom also ask me to learn like hairstylist or cooking, she always say at least anything happen to, like your man leave, you and baby you wont become hungry. This has been program and buried deep into chinese girls mentality.

Maybe some girls wont admit this, just like they want a rich husband but deny they went for teh guy part of the reason is he is rich.

QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 12:01 PM)
DEFINITION OF RICH: You keep spending your money but your money just won't finish. Poof. Gone. Now THATS rich.
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Well I believe everyone spend money daily then everyone is rich rclxms.gif

if everyday I buy keropok lekur, then I can probably last a few hundred years
If everyday I buy BMW wonder how many days I can last.



Added on October 10, 2009, 3:09 pm
QUOTE(happy4ever @ Oct 10 2009, 12:14 PM)
In the animal kingdom, male animals will do their best to lure the females. Like birds. The one with the bestest nest wins the female, etc...

in human world, women too chooses the bestest male to mate. But, in humans, things get screwed up, and goes haywire. Thats why animals live in harmony to their ecosystem, but humans will destroy everything they touch. In the human kingdom, the weak survives equally with the strong. So you have weak genes running about.

So one cannot apply animal kingdom rules to human kingdom rules.

Women must know their place. Be submissive and feed the family & work WHILE taking care of it (ie cooking, washing cleaning etc). Husbands just relax in front of TV and read newspaper.

Thats all folks
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I tot last time those chauvinistic males famous line was back to the kitchen?
Now they realize they've to pay more and suddenly change tag? rclxms.gif


This post has been edited by moorish: Oct 10 2009, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 10 2009, 06:48 AM)


Well I believe everyone spend money daily then everyone is rich rclxms.gif

if everyday I buy keropok lekur, then I can probably last a few hundred years
If everyday I buy BMW wonder how many days I can last.[/color]
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lol you're seriously bad at understanding what CC people are trying to tell you and what the definition of rich is.
I did NOT say everyone spend money daily then everyone is rich.
I said if you can't finish spending what you earn, or you can afford loads of luxurious stuff, you are rich.
You're just some shallow minded showoff.
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post Oct 10 2009, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 01:53 PM)
After all that has been said, I'd like to focus on a couple of points.

Women work because men are "defective" and cannot provide for the family
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About the defective part, I was being a bit dramatic coz the way you put it you dun like the woman to demand to stay at home but you and others demand the woman to work and trying to convince us how great it is. I'm just arguing this, why woman need to work, because man can be the sole provider hence it is the disability of the man to play the sole provider and NEED the help of the woman.

So it is defective..(just put a bit of punch)



Added on October 10, 2009, 3:20 pm
QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 03:10 PM)
lol you're seriously bad at understanding what CC people are trying to tell you and what the definition of rich is.
I did NOT say everyone spend money daily then everyone is rich.
I said if you can't finish spending what you earn, or you can afford loads of luxurious stuff, you are rich.
You're just some shallow minded showoff.
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Not another one doh.gif

ok then tell me what is rich ...

2k, 5k, 10k, 100k, 1000k a month?

Since you so smart and bring this up, I duno the answer...enlighten everyone here.
and you call me a showoff...now your turn to show how smart are you?


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post Oct 10 2009, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 10 2009, 03:17 PM)
About the defective part, I was being a bit dramatic coz the way you put it you dun like the woman to demand to stay at home but you and others demand the woman to work and trying to convince us how great it is. I'm just arguing this, why woman need to work, because man can be the sole provider hence it is the disability of the man to play the sole provider and NEED the help of the woman.

So it is defective..(just put a bit of punch)
The to clarify things, I'm not demanding that women work, never did in any of my posts. I'm stating that a lot of women these days want a career. This was in reference to your suggestion that women work because they have to. The examples I gave are of women who chose to excel in their professional lives. They weren't forced into it. Gone are preconceived notions that it's a man's world and women should stay home and make babies. It's probably this belief that leads to some women these days expecting to be taken care of monetarily speaking.

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post Oct 10 2009, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 10 2009, 07:17 AM)

Not another one doh.gif

ok then tell me what is rich ...

2k, 5k, 10k, 100k, 1000k a month?

Since you so smart and bring this up, I duno the answer...enlighten everyone here.
and you call me a showoff...now your turn to show how smart are you?[/color]
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OMG you're seriously shallow.
you keep asking the same question =.=
and since when i wanna showoff how smart i am? I'm not a showoff like u.
And in any amount u can be rich as long as your money can't be finish spending no matter on what OMG which of that u don't understand?
and rich doesnt mean buying luxury items then you're rich. everyone can buy wat. =.=
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post Oct 10 2009, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 03:25 PM)
The to clarify things, I'm not demanding that women work, never did in any of my posts. I'm stating that a lot of women these days want a career. This was in reference to your suggestion that women work because they have to. The examples I gave are of women who chose to excel in their professional lives. They weren't forced into it. Gone are preconceived notions that it's a man's world and women should stay home and make babies. It's probably this belief that leads to some women these days expecting to be taken care of monetarily speaking.
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After reading your passed post ok sorry you didnt demand, you just hate woman who demand to stay at home. It was some other smart guys who demand woman must work to help him out of his incompetence.

Actually the modern chinese woman make sure and as mention in my previous post, they have a career or skilled, I dun deny this part, it is good to have a skill which I myself have. This is to protect ourselves in case anything happen bad happen to our life we've plan B. And nope it is not running to another rich man.

This debate from the start, I've never ever said anything about woman once married must stay at home. Pls recheck my posting.




QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 03:27 PM)
OMG you're seriously shallow.
you keep asking the same question =.=
and since when i wanna showoff how smart i am? I'm not a showoff like u.
And in any amount u can be rich as long as your money can't be finish spending no matter on what OMG which of that u don't understand?
and rich doesnt mean buying luxury items then you're rich. everyone can buy wat. =.=
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OMG to you and 5 facepalm also.
You are saying if everyday you keep spending and money doesnt finish that person only can call rich.
gosh arguing with you is like arguing with my niece...

but anyway its fun to argue with her,
so what are we talking about when spending everyday?

buy RM1 of keropok lekur?
Buy BMW?
Buy airplane?

tell me...I didnt keep asking the same question, its you guys kept trying to find shoot down my theory about richman which I've mention in title.

It is really guys like you incapable to debate yet so hurt you like to call people shallow la, stupid la, prostitute la, hey you know its really shameful, you're man....debate with a housewife also must start name calling?



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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 10 2009, 07:36 AM)

After reading your passed post ok sorry you didnt demand, you just hate woman who demand to stay at home. It was some other smart guys who demand woman must work to help him out of his incompetence.

Actually the modern chinese woman make sure and as mention in my previous post, they have a career or skilled, I dun deny this part, it is good to have a skill which I myself have. This is to protect ourselves in case anything happen bad happen to our life we've plan B. And nope it is not running to another rich man.

This debate from the start, I've never ever said anything about woman once married must stay at home. Pls recheck my posting.


OMG to you and 5 facepalm also.
You are saying if everyday you keep spending and money doesnt finish that person only can call rich.
gosh arguing with you is like arguing with my niece...

but anyway its fun to argue with her,
so what are we talking about when spending everyday?

buy RM1 of keropok lekur?
Buy BMW?
Buy airplane?

tell me...I didnt keep asking the same question, its you guys kept trying to find shoot down my theory about richman which I've mention in title.

It is really guys like you incapable to debate yet so hurt you like to call people shallow la, stupid la, prostitute la, hey you know its really shameful, you're man....debate with a housewife also must start name calling?


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LOL you're worse than ur niece in understanding stuff. anyway I'm bored, same points the whole while. Am outta here, good luck in argueing with 1 point only bye.
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 10 2009, 03:36 PM)
This debate from the start, I've never ever said anything about woman once married must stay at home. Pls recheck my posting.[/color]
Mmm but by saying that it's proven stayhome moms make better mothers, doesn't it indicate that you feel all women should be housewives? If they have careers, your post suggests they aren't as good a parent. So yeah, they can work if they want to but someone like you for example or any other housewife will always be the better parent? I don't want to make assumptions here which is why I'm checking with you.
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QUOTE(roxxor89 @ Oct 10 2009, 10:56 AM)
Ah...maternal instinct. I understand where you're going at. Sorry its just that from the way your posting it USUALLY seems as if ur refering to just the BMW. Could be just me, but sorry for misunderstanding nonetheless.
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from the very first post it was about "mother insticnt not kicked in" so it is about starting a family, but then just because it involve richman guys here start saying the prime motive is that silver BMW


Added on October 10, 2009, 4:01 pm
QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 03:41 PM)
LOL you're worse than ur niece in understanding stuff. anyway I'm bored, same points the whole while. Am outta here, good luck in argueing with 1 point only bye.
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You another fella with your last consolation come back line?
You started the theory that everyday spend money cannot finish only call rich
I ask you to prove and you LOL me?

At least say ok sorry I miss quote it, or say its only meant for fun...dun be so ego la.
cannot prove and say you're bored...

dun go away....stay like how LOOI stayed and watch, he cant wait for someone to prove me wrong so he can LOL and facepalm me, pity him you know, he's been lurking like a week edi.

I'm hvg high pressure here debating like with 10 guys which poly say are guys with much more life experience




QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 03:42 PM)
Mmm but by saying that it's proven stayhome moms make better mothers, doesn't it indicate that you feel all women should be housewives? If they have careers, your post suggests they aren't as good a parent. So yeah, they can work if they want to but someone like you for example or any other housewife will always be the better parent? I don't want to make assumptions here which is why I'm checking with you.
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True, on the mother part that full time mother is better than working mother, and plenty of fathers know about this too, but problem is not many are able to afford, so both parents have to work.

So about mothers who want to work or stay home is another debate, some mother cannot stand or handle crying babies, or some baby are extra notty just wont stop crying, like noreen is one, I've to carry her on the lap and type.

I think you've mention about this that you would prefer your wife to look after the children too right?

OK lets look at the baby part, baby start learning and thier brain development starts even b4 birth, after birth baby learn from the first day. Babies can feel love, when a baby cry and gets difficult to pacify, a soft repeating whisper like mama love you, sayang baby on the ear will calm the baby down, baby doesnt actually understand this words but they can feel the love and emotion.

Parents who are stressed up and fight baby will cry. So a warm home is important for the development of baby.

Every waking moment, mummy will play with baby, even changing diapers mummy will talk and make baby laugh, a baby that is left crying continously will grow up with a few point lesser IQ as compared to a baby receiving plenty of love and care.

even feeding, working mom can only express their milk and leave to caretaker to feed, a genuine breastfed baby will not only gain BM but the bonding with mother, when baby feels secure and not left alone, baby development progress better, this is proven fact that breastfed baby chances of getting ADHD and ADD are less.

plenty more things la, too long to type edi.


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When i pointed out days ago in the other threads that euphoria is a bimbo no one wanted to believe sad.gif
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 10 2009, 04:15 PM)
When i pointed out days ago in the other threads that euphoria is a bimbo no one wanted to believe  sad.gif
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today so quiet, yesterday was a war zone that I can barely follow.
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Now I'm left wondering how much smarter I could have been had my mom not worked.
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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 10 2009, 04:22 PM)
today so quiet, yesterday was a war zone that I can barely follow.
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I think u have a competitor thread.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 04:27 PM)
Now I'm left wondering how much smarter I could have been had my mom not worked.
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You're babies right? get this 2 books

How smart is your baby by Gleen and Janet Doman
Many people in malaysia now begin to follow her child training program

and

Raise a smarter child by kindergarten by David Perlmutter


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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 10 2009, 04:27 PM)
I think u have a competitor thread.
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ok lets go over there rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 10 2009, 04:32 PM)
You're babies right? get this 2 books
Confusion. Are you implying that I'm a baby or are you asking if I have any? Anyway the answer to both is no.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 04:34 PM)
Confusion. Are you implying that I'm a baby or are you asking if I have any? Anyway the answer to both is no.
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sorry typo there, coz I thought when you mention you prefer your wife to stay at home you edi have babies, anyway next time you get baby, try this 2 books out.

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LOL at you 2!
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 10 2009, 11:31 AM)
Sorry to say this,debbie,from your post above,you arent any different from moonrish now.

How about modern day women who works and strive hard to have a secure future for herself or with her other half? Do you just expects that all women should find a rich husband and marry him to be a full time housewife? At the same time,giving up all her achievements in the work force for a family. I dont see why one should do that.

This is the 21st century,not back in the 1950s where women do not work at all which is completely different from now, where women works and some of the time,achieves better than men.

I believe in gender equality and the freedom of choice,than men should work and women takes care of the family at home.
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1. I don't see any shame if my thought same as Moorish cos a fulltime mother doesn't mean she is stupid and know nothing. Have you ever seen high EQ monther and high education mother? I see many of you like to put equalation to Fulltime Mother = Kampung Mother who likes gossip when she is free/low EQ/low IQ

A housewife can be presentable when she goes with husband attending ballrooms events, she can also go social with husband etc.

I expect woman to be mature and realistic - a man who is financial incapable yet means he is not ready to commit to get a wife and he is unable to feed the family.

Again, why let the social culture to change the human natural instinct? If like that let you become a gal and you go pregnant, suffer the pain then take care of babies cook rice do house works while i'm your husband, i expect you to work after maternity. Or maybe you choose to have your own career i don't demand to you work, ok then you go work but take care babies and housework you also do everyday you come back from work, How? what's your feeling?

Gender equality is not defined as woman can earn a career, same as man. Gender equality, for me is both have respect, compassionate and understanding for each other, love and care in a family. Unlike 1950s where only husband makes decision wife can only keep her mouth shut; husband must be fierce and wife must be gentle; husband must not show gentle face to children and wife is the one who defend children; for modern century male go gym females also can go gym; male go facial also can; male go cooking class also can etc..

You tell me where is gender equality when you go to bus there is a notice telling: prioritise the seats to old folks, women and children. How to equal like that? I'm not against gender equality, but this is not to be defined this way.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 02:00 PM)
Oh and debbie, after reading several of your posts, it isn't your English that is the problem. It's your comprehension. Time and time again I see you repeating the same points even after other posters have addressed them. Is it a memory thing maybe? Let me give you an example. I'll just focus on one of your points:-
No one is suggesting that money isn't important. No one is suggesting that money doesn't make your life easier and more comfortable. The issue here is that you seem to think that men are expected to be the sole providers. Therefore when you look for a guy, you are assigning a dollar value to him. It's different to when a guy offers for you to stay home, than when you expect to stay home. Focus.
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Yes, when i look for a guy, i assign a dollar value to him. If he is not financial stable yet, means he is not ready for marriage and i won't waste time on him and burden him.

Yes i know what you mean. Guys offer me to stay at home, and I expect to stay home, are two different things.
So what else you want to know?

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 03:25 PM)
The to clarify things, I'm not demanding that women work, never did in any of my posts. I'm stating that a lot of women these days want a career. This was in reference to your suggestion that women work because they have to. The examples I gave are of women who chose to excel in their professional lives. They weren't forced into it. Gone are preconceived notions that it's a man's world and women should stay home and make babies. It's probably this belief that leads to some women these days expecting to be taken care of monetarily speaking.
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Again, women work for few reasons only:
1. They want to be prepared when their husbands change heart, they and their children got rice to eat
2. They mainly want to work for pleasure
3. Their husbands demand them to work to share the burden of family's living expenses, which means their husbands are unable to provide enough.

I can tell you any gals out there will not want to work if they have chance cos they know no matter they work or not, taking care of children is still a duty to woman. This is a fact, is a human's nature being. When children naughty, people will think parents seldom take care and educate them, but when people know children naughty cos parents working no time to educate them, do you think the first person people think will be: why the mother never take care of the children and educate them? Her husband is busy working mar, how come this mother never understand and look after the children properly?

Would you see people judge father doesn't care the children? No right? Because everyone will think that taking care of children is mother's responsibiltiy and duty. So since you say modern day gender equality, do you think there's equality?
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