The difference between us is basically, you tell people that "you should be like this", and I tell people "go find out who you are".

I have never said that guys should be rich to attract girls!!!!111  In fact, I've repeatedly stressed out that MONEY DOES NOT ATTRACT GIRLS in all of my threads. That said, money does seem to correlate to a person thriving in life..and girls find this attractive. And you got to face the fact that while MONEY DOES NOT BUY HAPPINESS... money lessens the likelihood that you turn out to become a loser in the game of life - On average, poor people have worse health and higher suicide rates than rich people, in all countries and cultural backgrounds...even in America! Sure there are exceptions... and if harping on a few sad rich blokes who killed themselves makes you feel good about yourself..then fine. But it does not represent the general truth.

Ultimately, everyone has a different path. Guy A's path to social dominance and thriving in the game of life is different from Guy B's path to social dominance and thriving in the game of life.

Ezra, you are Cupid Corner's mightiest keyboard jockey ever.

Have you ever had a girlfriend, or even kissed a girl or even HELD HANDS with one before?

Love is not suppose to be this complicated guys

Right. I shall now attempt (foolishly, probably) to put in the last word on this debate.

The phrase "money-minded" seems to be a particularly loaded one for both men and women. Men find it offensive, and use the term as an insult. Women, in turn, are offended when the term is used insultingly. Clearly, it means different things to both men and women.

What it means to women - we shall refer to this as Definition A:
- Girls who are attracted to smart, successful, independent men with bright futures.
- Girls who want the security - both financial and emotional - of being with such a man.
- Girls who dislike unmotivated, directionless men who can't hold down a job.

Now, what it means to men, is the following Definition B:
- Girls who judge men by the car they drive.
- Girls who demand that men spend on them beyond their means - nicer dates, more expensive presents, more spending money.
- Girls who value expensive clothes, jewellery and supplementary credit cards over love and affection.

Now, there is a wide gulf between Definitions A and B that most men and women can comfortably find middle ground in. Most men are not shiftless slobs, and most women are not gold-digging parasites. Men should understand how women are naturally drawn to successful men. And women should understand that men are naturally offended to be judged solely by their bank account.

In fact, here's an analogy. Let's say someone starts a thread titled "Guys are sex-minded... and proud of it". The TS goes on to say how it's men's nature to go after sexy women - and if you're fat, don't wear makeup, don't wear revealing clothes and don't know how to giggle like a Japanese schoolgirl, you're simply losers in the game of love.

Wouldn't you, as a woman, be offended by that? That's how men tend to feel, whenever this "money-minded" topic crops up.

That's good. So Shanghai men have no testicles to speak of and will do anything for *****?

I will enjoy punking them too, just because they're such sissy little b****es.

lol he wasnt crying _that_ loudly was he 

i never understand.

please explain.

i still think it is a waste of good money.

i can build an awesome gaming rig with all that monneh.

I'm just trying to say, by using monetary of a man has currently and 10 years later, you can tell if he is a potential person to spend the ups and downs in life.

I can't tell how educated he is cos to be success doesn't must have a certificate; I can't tell how convincing his speech is cos to success doesn't must good in sweet talk.

I just want to emphasize a guy who is self-motivated, never cease to give up kind of possitive attitude, will have a fruitful and yielding life (rich) sooner or later. Such a man when he is poor, he is a potential person to be with, and get married when he is capable to feed his wife; another 5 years, he is more capable to able to feed children.

Click to a poor man is ok, but try to stand on a gal's side: she won't want to see his bf always complain to her how bad the work is, lousy customers, bad working environment. Incapable men capable at nothing but bunch of lame execuses; Capable man good in nothing but not cease to aim high and hard-working.

In any event you guys out there are not convinced enough, do come and flame me. I'm right here be waiting for you.

when is this thread gonna stop?