Ever wondered why last time got no baby-sitter and nowaways so many baby-sitters?

You are showing contradict statements.
You say there are lots of women working after married and here you said women do not undrstand how hard it is to support the family.

I always remember someone ever told me this:
We used to see what we can't do but we never question ourselves why other people can but we can't.
So you are more pathetic here, obviously.

Of course. Why should I dare to admit what I truly looking for? I go for financial capable man doesn't mean I will betray him when he falls short. He is the man who manages to make the promise come true, build up his career before marriage and provide monetary support after marriage.
I believe if he falls short, he is also tough enough to stand up again and make a new life.

Again, I think I have discussed this statement with you before.
If you request biological body nature standard from a woman, so does woman can request the similar standard from guys.
The thing is we are debating financial capable man which is only achieved when you have strived your best aka self-motivated and aim high attitude.
Attitude is something you can cultivate, it's not born natural.
Body is something born natural, you can only grow that high if your genetic's standard allows you to do so.
But those men who do not even give a try and gives all sort of execuses not able to do so, are losers.

That's nothing related to the topic here. No comment on this.

ya lor...this debate mcm wont end shj..

It's ok if you can't spell my name correctly although my ID name already stated here clearly. The main concern in this debate is not about my name spelling.

I said teongpeng understand what life means, cos he has stood at women's point of views to see the thing. Whereas you guys just stood at guys' point of views and judge that women who aim to be fulltime housewife are gold digger/materialistic. This is a human instinct that woman stay at home and take care of children and do houseworks, cook nutritious food for husband and be husband's mentally supporter and man works hard and strive for better living outside for his family.

This is a natural human instinct but when we try to put this here, none of you that actually agree on this but says that woman is gold digger, dependent etc.

From what I understand from your view, you seem like want to tell that woman who looks for rich husband is for her own living pleasurement.
This is not what we are debating about here.

The thing is:
Many of them used to click to a fantacy high-moral that looks for a hot sexy wife is a sin (malice, irresponsible etc) and woman who looks for financial capable man as husband is a sin (gold digger/materialistic).

Therefore, everyone seems want to stick to their so-called "correct mindset" aka "they are told to have this sort of mindest" - man should go for good personality instead of just good looking; woman should go for good personality instead of financial capability.

They don't dare to admit what a man aim from a woman by a man's nature and so does woman's.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Oct 9 2009, 07:32 PM

well... its becoz someone married a rich guy and got nothing better to do at home... so mai troll here for God knows how long already and for how long more... never ending debate coz she got all the time in the world while most of us here dun....

i wish u well wif ur husband and children....

I'm just wondering why you have an extra "y".



It's human instinct for a woman to stay home and not want a career? Erm... have you looked around you lately? How many women do you know with no career? If anything, it's human instinct to survive, even if it means relying on someone other than ourselves. Survival instinct is something that's in our DNA. It's why you can't kill yourself by holding your breath. It isn't however natural for all women to want to be housewives and not have a career. Again, I'm not knocking housewives. I'm knocking women who expect to be taken care of.

I've to bring this up once again. You and moorish talk about finding a rich guy, or being with a guy with the potential to be rich. Then you go on to say that it's about a man providing for his family. So which is it? A rich guy, or a guy who can provide for his family? You don't need to be rich to provide for your family. If you did, middle to lower income families would all be living in cardboard boxes.

Oh yeah, and who said I called all homemakers gold diggers? Again, it's different if you take it up when offered, than when you set out expecting it. Do you see the difference or is it the same to you?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 9 2009, 08:12 PM

Debbie Yeoh/Yap S___ S____ ?

ur name izit?

Slippery Senorita

Don't like the place incidentally

Like I said to you on MSN, Sunset Bistro.

reason why most people choose to be single now is because of person like you... I'm not saying that you're wrong, but this is just our society today.

Yes, money can buy love, but not TRUE LOVE.

Cheers

Tat is ur own intepretation - i belief no girls out there can accpt non-rich guy?

Use common sense pls, did i say all girls out there? ...
Its u that think i mean all girls out there only feel secure if marry guy with more $$$$. So guys have to play backside wih other guys..

wow.. how smart.

I already said many times some girls are matured and can hlp their husband in financial. They don't emphasis guy with more money only suitable to become their husband.

All this while i've been highlighting only those girls who have the same mindset or those tat might get influence by wat TS wrote only.
Still phailed to understd?

The guy play backside with other guy - is just a joke.
If u are really tat dumb to follow.... den its your own choice.

This post has been edited by viper88: Oct 9 2009, 08:12 PM

Why can't I expect to be taken care of? Which woman doesn't want to be taken care of? You tell me? Even a man who is tired from work would like to have a bowl of soup and food well served on table so I should say husband shouldn't be taken care of and I also can say: why always cling to wife to cook him soup and food, why can't he cook himself?

So are you going to say such a warm reward to a husband is not what a man's natural instinct goes for? You don't aim for it? You tell me honestly?

Lower income aka 5K per month? Now?
Do you know how much 5k's value is 10 years later?

I know you don't call those housewives are gold diggers but there are men flaming this pathetic mindset.

You have got it 50% correctly!

Because more and more women nowadays work. So your point is, you're the odd one out?



Oh then, I should rephrase that to "Women who think like Debbie" since not all girls think like you.




You're talking to yourself? You're right, you girls should question why other people can be rich without guys and you girls are not . Why is it that you girls are not rich and other people can be rich. Why are you girls working not hard enough and strive to be better at what you do? Can't do it ? Not capable enough? Girls have a brain and have the same two hands so why can't you do it.



The thing if girls are expecting rich, and girls provide beauty so it's fair. If you want to include biological body nature as well , then you girls haveto be rich as well. Simple as that.



So If your genetic can only grow that high , then it's JUST TOO BAD. Either improve your personality/character, be self motivated, aim higher attitude, be more humble or improve yourself so that you be a better person. Based on your own statement don't give genetic standard excuses. There are many ways girls can improve themselves.

If you're saying that attitude can be cultivated then why don't girls strive to be better at what they do and be rich themselves? I mean don't you think that whatever you say can be directed to your type of girls as well? There are so many successful women out there, so why can't girls do the same thing?


This post has been edited by Drian: Oct 9 2009, 08:25 PM

So are you telling gals who go for poor guys are for true love? Have you seen those gals divorce their husband after years?

Again, as mentioned "N" times, go for financial capable husband doesn't mean only aim his money. It's because money doesn't fall from sky and it's only when a man who is willing to work hard, he is capable to provide. Therefore woman who goes for financial capable guys = go for self-motivated guys.

Only gals who are immature haven't seen real life issues. They go blindly for love.
Only gals who are immature that mix up "go for financial capable guys = materialistic"; they never know mature means look for some guys who are promising in provide a family a stable living and it's because these guys are self-motivated and committed and responsible.

Don't tell me a man who loves you so much accompanies you everyday is going to give you a living. I doubt he is and I strongly believe this guy will continue to blame the culture, society, government how unfair his situation is and he will continue to change job again and again, he will never think why he keeps on failing and he knows only how to blame others. When the gal gets pregnant and delivered baby, he still continue to stay at comfort zone and he never think of he is not doing his best to be a good father, he never tried his best to provide his child the best he has.

this thread will nvr change the history of all time

Did I say you were wrong? I'm just disagreeing with you.

You reckon women who work want to be taken care of? Of course they do. You are choosing however to focus purely on the financial aspect of being taken care of. Unless I'm reading it wrong, you are saying men should be expected to take care of their spouses financially. If this is true, I disagree with the mindset. I'm not saying it's wrong for a guy to take care of a girl. I'm saying I don't care for women who go looking for it. Yes I appreciate the difficulties of being a housewife, but at the same time I have deep admiration for career women who can balance their time between work and family. I doubt you're going to say that women who work make worse mothers are you?

One more time then. I'm not saying you or Moorish are wrong, I'm saying I don't agree.



I beg you to try to understand sentences after you read them. I said that there is nothing wrong in a man wanting to provide for his family, heck that's what I'm working towards. Once again, I'm saying I don't agree that women should expect men to do so. I'm sure I'll feel great being able to provide for my family, but more so that I'm working to realise my potential. That isn't the point. How can I make this clearer? Need me to draw illustrations?

Why are you assigning a value? It isn't the point. Before that, what is the point of your question again? Ok I'll play along. I don't know what the answer is. Give it to me and let me know what you're trying to say.

You seem to like jumping from point to point without addressing questions that were posed to you. You'll note that I'm not the only one to have said this.

WHY cant you just understand that some girls have different capabilities and priorities?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Your inability to follow the discussion is getting very annoying.

Summarize for us please...whats your point. Your WHOLE point. Your WHOLE view. do it in one sentence. If not then one paragraph. Please. ok? good boy.

It's because more and more men aren't able to climb high. That's why woman has to back to work force and that's how baby-sitters go.

It's my honour to be the odd one.

To be rich, one has to change his personality and attitude, nothing to do with biological body nature.

I tell you what, you are the only one who can make me laugh.

How much do you actually know me? Are you assuming that I'm not doing the same while I set this standards on my bf/husband?

Whatever.

I couldn't help but interject. This has to be one of the lamest answers I've ever seen on LYN.

Women have to work because more and more men are losers?

Firstly, that's an insult to women who actually WANT to have careers. Has it ever occured to you that more and more women are working because they have goals other than being a housewife? Now that the playing field is even and women are not discriminated against anymore, options are opening up and it's not uncommon for men to have women bosses. Why did these women work to hard to get there? So that they could support their lame ass husbands? Can't be because they want recognition, respect, and a sense of self-worth? Then again you probably haven't met any because of the whole "birds of a feather" syndrome.

Secondly, a lot of men I know are doing just fine but it seems that although you say, men should be able to provide for their families, you keep also using the word, "rich".

Lastly, has it ever occured to you that cost of living in KL has risen so dramatically, it's really hard for a single income family to live comfortably these days? Look at property prices in the Klang Valley. Look at the escalating petrol prices. Are you aware of what's happening around you? Do you realise the world is facing an economic recession right now? People are getting laid off and not all of them because they suck are their jobs.

Seriously Debbie, that was a very shallow answer.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Oct 9 2009, 08:42 PM

Ok. You only disagree with me. And from your words I don't see any intention from you that you are trying to convince me.
So may I know what's the conclusion you're trying to get from this debate with me?


My mother is a working lady and she is great, she is a great mother. I believe there are lots of great working mothers.
I see how my mother lives her life.
I don't want to be a working mother.

Duke, among all who disagree with me, you are one of them who is so gentle. Would you mind to re-read my posts please? I have already mentioned.
Would you trace back my posts please? Would you?