to all sifu, can u give me some of your comment about the LAL location of the BH design i have attached?The first or the second design of the postion of LAL is betteR?..thanks you~..


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There is a Chinese saying: your money is in the bank, but you are in the Heaven. My friend, try your best to avoid having LAL between floors. There are far too many mishaps and accidents from this type of design which led to many permanently maimed or disabled with fatal cases caused to the owners and consultants for the past years. Almost every year, we hear such misfortunes. Most of them are filthy rich. Such type of design is a booby-trap to the owners. So, do be careful and to reconsider.

thanks bro..how about adding a 2-3 ft safety wall at around the LAL?? preventing from dropping the LAL?

a low wall would interfere with the natural flying of the swiftlets.

dude..how about building like this?.does it interfere with thhe flying of the swiftlets?


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Yes sir after so many pages . time to write in....no lah! still don't have bird house yet.
but i think when time comes many will rally under this umbrella . i presume they will get letters first from any dept who found them .
I been wondering if the shoplot were suspected of housing swiftlet, can the authority issue warrant from court to go into private property? but i guess they can and as always you cannot as they will have their reason.

This post has been edited by hackwire: May 5 2010, 06:55 PM

ahwee1987,

yes thats fine. about 1.5 feet off the floor not high enough to obstruct the birds but if not careful, enough to swallow u up. i would use a thicker steel railing but without too many standing struts.

u have to remember that this photo was taken with flash. imagine ur bedroom will all the lights off (night time). thats how dark the inside of a bh should be.

plus a rat or a lizard may drop on you and scare the shit out of you and that time you may loose balance and sense of direction.

good luck

If you insist on the design, then try to have the railing few more feet away from the LAL and the height is at least 3 feet. Need not have too many standing struts but must be firm. Remember, it is going to be very dark inside that a regular can still lose direction esp that when you look up at planks for sign of nests.

thanks lucas...lucas can u recommend me how big does the LAL suppose to be so that the bird will maneuver smoothly?? 5x8'' will it be too small??should i dig it bigger like 8x12'' or 10x15''??

I believe we have previously touched on the point of Perhilitan's authority on search, seizure and arrest with and w/o warrant.
Their authority is quite similar to our PDRM in both new and old Act.

But with the new Act they are similar to PDRM. (if passed, they are now armed)
see the clause below in the Wild Life Conservation Bill 2010
Carrying and use of arms
8. Subject to the administrative orders of the Director General,
an officer may carry and use arms in the exercise of the powers
and duties under this Act.

Ensure you dun hire anyone with the name Aminulrasyid.


This post has been edited by Cergau: May 5 2010, 08:48 PM

If you don't have LAL between floors then how will the swiftlet fly to the lower floors? Would you have the roving area 3 storeys high and have a window into each floor from the roving area?

based on the design i upload above..which of the one u all more preferable??thanks...the first or second design??the different is just location of the LAL at the first floor..i donno which 1 is the best place ..so hope all sifu can comment~~tahnks

8' X 5' LAL is big and good enough for a standard BH. The LALs for all floors should be on the same side directly below.

Enter my 10 months old BH today at 11am and noticed that less birds inside the BH and only occasional baby/young birds sounds can be heard. Compare to last month, there were many birds inside the BH at this hour and baby/young birds sound were very loud and many.
I also noticed that 80% of the nests were empty and the remaining 20% with birds perching on it.
May I ask the sifu here the following questions:
1) Is this situation indicating the end of mating season ?
2) Is it ok to harvest the empty nests now ?
3) Should I leave it as it is and wait for the colony to grow bigger ?

okie..thanks lucas...but i get some comment from indonesia swiflet forum..they recommend it at 13x13"..~hmm...donno bigger better or how~=.=

ahwee1987,

I personally feel that the 3' or the 5' distance between your top floor LAL and the partition wall is too narrow. I doubt the birds can fly down the LAL via the clockwise flying path.

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thanks everyone for comment~

This post has been edited by ahwee1987: May 6 2010, 04:14 AM

Like it or not, I think we shouldn’t let our fate and lifelines be totally dependent on and decided by others regardless how much they claim. I think that instead of sit and pray for God’s mercy like a sitting duck, we might as well share in to do a little for self-rescue. If you are member of any association, round up at least few fellow members together insist your committee, even you have to point a gun on their heads, to meet up your local MP regardless he is from BN or PR with petition letters and the relevant document to brief him till he really understands the seriousness and the consequences of the PERHILITAN’s wilful intention to mislead the Parliament. Don’t listen to that lazy and incompetent committee telling or assuring by saying “Everything is OK”, until and unless they show you in black and white. Get a lawyer or even someone experienced to prepare the petition letter. Or you can request your MP or his service centre to help draft. This is their duty too. Similarly for those who are not members to any association, you can approach any NGO such as your local Chamber of Commerce, Bar Committee, SMI etc for help and advice as this is PUBLIC INTEREST or you can still do it as an individual. Importance is you are a Malaysian. Highlight also to all the media or reporters, journalists you know and get them to interview those in the position and have it publicized. Let us do it now for you have less than a month to decide whether you will be bankrupt.

If every one of us from different corner of Malaysia starts doing it, it will become a NATIONAL AWARENESS issue, and then our voices and objections will be heard before decision is made. Don’t be like; everybody expects somebody to do it, in the end, nobody does it and only have we blamed. Remember the latest GST Bill, and also a few other stupid Bills? These were either withdrawn or stopped halfway because of the timely awareness created with strong objections from the NGOs and the people. I think the PM and the top guns are still not aware of the critical situation.



http://www.parlimen.gov.my/billindexbi/pdf/DR162010E.pdf
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/billindex/pdf/DR162010.pdf

From my experience,
1) yes
2) harvest them all
3) colony to grow if nests harvested

thank u cergau, you don't seem to be lack in everything, you should be the committee for the Malaysia association which office is in Kedah, i still disturbed that how can a Federal association office bear an address in Kedah .

lukas, i guess you have a checklist and numbers to call already when encounter such problem.

I think that's good to have a checlist or 101 Survivor guide book for all . Call it The Red Code book.

Sample:

Code Orange

1) Receive letter
2) Prepare Documents and licenses if have
3) Start Calling Lawyers, Associations, Buddies, NGO , Adun etc.

Code REd
1) Receive Warning Letter
2) Appeal for longer time frame to rescue baby birds.
3) Accept the consequences due to new law but fight for compensation due to lack of understanding in the past and no such law was produced in the past .


Is this a wake up call to some already?