I am banana man, yellow outside but white inside and What'a all the fuss about anywhere?

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Added on April 22, 2010, 7:16 pmIf you ask me, I got this feeling long ago since this DG took office; he is full of crazy ideas................all useless like back seat rider safety belt for one. He know that no one is going to follow the Laws esp the rural folks. Those who follow the Law didn't do it because they fear the Law but because they are concerned about their own safety so why not leave to the people to decide on it as most of us are capable to decide for ourselves and those who didn't, they don't even care if you put it as a Law or not so why the fuss about our own safety.....just give advice only lah. We know what we should do without being force to do everything. The Kampung raayat even don't wear safety helmet, no side mirrors, no nothing....and no police or JPJ has taken any action on them. Why create Laws that would fatten the enforcers pocket only. Old Laws still cannot be enforced and why bother create more and more absurd laws that we can't enforce country wide. Don't just follow developed country cos their countries are different from ours and why not compare us to some of the African countries or backward Asia Countries.

Get the raayat to abide to the present Laws first before creating more mess. Small little things please leave them to ourselves to decide or else in future, we maybe force to brush our teeth every morning or else we will go to jail or even cane. Sorry, nothing to do with swiftlet again!!!!!

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Added on April 22, 2010, 8:29 pm[quote=tuckfook,Apr 22 2010, 04:21 PM]
If someone wants dearly to enter into any BH it will be relatively easy. There is no unbreakable BH. Locks, doors, walls etc are all easy to overcome. Show me a design and I'll show you a way of breaking through.

Thieves like to go through from the top because it is the easiest. If they can get up, they can get in and down no problems.

If the BH is built as above with a 10ft. shaft, I doubt if anyone will want to break into it for at least 5 years if not more. It is simply not conducive to the birds, no in an agri. area anyway.

Since you have the advantage of planning for the building/structure why not go maximum size on the roving area. It is well proven that the bigger the roving area is the faster the birds start visiting the lower floors and hopefully stay. Why minimise your chances? Save money on the roving room and end up being part of the 70% statistic!

Styrofoam of 3" or more is used to insulate the roof so that the topmost slab, which is the ceiling of the nesting room, will not heat up. Direct sunlight all day is liable to heat the concrete to 120 deg. C. or more.

The roving room roof slab should not be insulated to promote a gradual change of tempt. between the inside and outside as well as create convection sucking humid air up from floors below. Sucks up the smell as well so the birds visiting are greeted with the smell of an occupied BH.

Side walls are best not insulated with styrofoam as it also prevents moisture from permeating the walls. Moisture permeating the walls actually cools the walls down when it dries up on the outside. The thickness of the wall controls the rate of cooling or heating up. low tempt. fired clay bricks are good for this purpose. The plaster also plays a part, it must be plaster consisting of portland cement and lime(30%) which makes it more porous to moisture.

It you want to prevent heat from going in and the cool air from going out, as in an air conditioned room or freezer etc. then by all means styrofoam all around.

You'll find successful designs in Dr. Chris' forum.



If I am going to make a BH @ agriculture land and if I get hold of a nice piece of land, I will surely ensure that my BH will be an airwell type with big airwell to serve as roving area but the design will be diffferent from any that you have seen.


I will try Yeo's Styrofoam method for the roof to isolate the heat from the sun as I find that this has been the most difficult thing to do in all BHs that I visited. I have tried using Styrofoam above ceiling and it's work and the birds stayed. Since Styrofoam can be place in concrete roof, why not since it isolate heat and cold and it is waterproof, too. I have intention to make a roof garden on the roof to keep the heat off the BH but since Yeo mentioned about the Styrofoam, it's Styrofoam for me. Styrofoam has been proven to OK with the birds and that's important to me. Styrofoam maybe use where there is a requirement only esp. the roof area. Air condition and freezer are different entirely as both are taking away moisture and will be too dry. The birds will freeze to death. Here, we have V-holes and humidifiers, like a controlled environment, I would say.

I never like water permeating into the walls as it create wetness. My opinions of a good BH is that the place must be high humidity but never wet cos wetness cause fungus and dirty nests. Not hot but warm and with both in it, you will have a good conditions for swiftlets to breed as the eggs require warm and high humidity to survive. Coldness is worst of all and even adult birds will die if your BH get too cold at night like in agriculture land and that why I mentions that never too many V holes in your agriculture BHs. I am applying my knowledge from town Bhs for agriculture Bh and I think what work for the town will also work for Agri BH.

My opinions in the matter concerned and I didn't read or have seen Dr.Chris's book and maybe someone may enlighten me on the subject concerned.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 22 2010, 08:41 PM

Still no action from Georgetown of NoSwiftletHousesinGeorgetown blog. Have they chickened out

Frankly, jokes aside, a discussion will be healthy. I will try my best to get the authorities and associations involved but we must have activity from the complainants in the first place.

IMPENDING ONSLAUGHT ON THE MALAYSIA BIRD’S NEST INDUSTRY SOON

Dear fellow BH owners and all dependents on the industry in Malaysia,


Our worst hidden worries and fears regarding the industry is definitely and finally coming true soon. If you ever scrutinize carefully between the lines of the news in the papers of the tabling of the amendment of the PERHILITAN ACTs of yesterday by the Minister of the Environment to the Parliament, you are going to sense that the PERHILITAN is again going by the back door to mislead the Parliament and the whole FED GOVT to play the industry out, and this time it is a catastrophic to all with none to spare. Again, the PERHILITAN, without any consultation with the market players, has gone quietly to propose something which is the onslaught on the Bird’s nest industry. If the ACTs were to go through which I think it will as no one aware and to object, would be the biggest scandalous issue and hell to all of us ever. It is going to be the nightmare for all. If this passes through, that means it is going to be offence committed for possessing even a piece of house nest. Everything you touch on the swiftlet whether it is cave or house nest, you need the PERHILITAN permit and license in advance and to follow their bureaucratic procedures strictly. Previously, it was controversial and ambiguous on the house cultivated nest. But this time, they are making it very clear. Thanks to our idiot BN Fed Govt which I also stupidly supported up to recently, the Little Napoleons in the Civil Service and also our so self proclaimed Fed Association for the negotiation on our behalves. I am at the loss of speech now. Think all of you can go and confirm my worst fear. But before you do that, for those who are not so strong in health, please make sure, you don’t forget to take your heart pill or anti- stress pill and stand by a lot of sleeping pills. I am not joking. I hope I do.


It looks like the only thing all of you can do for the time being and urgently, is to pray hard to all the gods to ensure the BN doesn’t win the by-election in Hulu Selangor on this coming Sunday, 25th April 2010. So that that could be some bargaining power later. Besides praying hard to the god like a sitting duck, might as well every one of us do something positive to help in to alert all BH owners call up or to remind those you know who are outstation voters in Hulu Selangor to return timely to vote against the evil and the corrupt. If the BN wins, for sure, this industry would face further onslaught. By the time you read this bad news, you have less than 24hrs for self help. It looks like we are not given the choice or option by now.


Sorry to all brothers for highlighting this unwelcoming news and also heartfelt sorry to many who may go burst or bankrupt soon.

20,000 MADE IN CHINA Memory Stick valued at USD20 each totalled approximately RM1,360,000.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The MB should has taken me along and with my contact in China, I think less than Rm10 and with tha quantity, more discount with factory price inprinted with "With Best Compliment From MB of TRG.". Wouldn't that be nicer.

Really, I didn't know that they were going to China on Swiftlets matter or otherwise, I would have join........At least this MB want to learn more about swiftlets and EBN market in China. Hope that he means well and not to follow blindly to those nonsense on how to move all swiftlets out of town cos there is no way to move the swiftlets out and by doing so will just destroy the industry and need to start from square one.....What's a waste then.

RANG UNDANG-UNDANG PEMULIHARAAN HIDUPAN LIAR 2010
Bacaan Kali Yang Pertama
Rang undang-undang bernama suatu akta untuk mengadakan peruntukan bagi perlindungan dan pemuliharaan hidupan
dan bagi perkara-perkara yang berkaitan dengannya;
dibawa ke dalam Mesyuarat oleh Timbalan Menteri Sumber Asli dan Alam Sekitar [Tan Sri Datuk Seri Panglima Joseph Kurup];
dibaca kali yang pertama; akan dibacakan kali yang kedua pada Mesyuarat akan datang.
DR. 21.4.2010
Timbalan Yang di-Pertua [Datuk Ronald Kiandee]: Baiklah. Dijemput Yang Berhormat
Timbalan Menteri untuk membawakan Usul.
USUL
WAKTU MESYUARAT DAN URUSAN DIBEBASKAN DARIPADA PERATURAN MESYUARAT
10.06 pg.
Timbalan Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri [Datuk Liew Vui Keong]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon mencadangkan:
“Bahawa mengikut Peraturan Mesyuarat 12(1), Majlis Mesyuarat pada hari ini tidak akan ditangguhkan sehingga jam 9.30 malam dan selepas itu
mesyuarat akan ditangguhkan sehingga jam 10 pagi, hari Khamis, 22 April 2010.”
Timbalan Menteri Sumber Asli dan Alam Sekitar [Tan Sri Datuk Seri Panglima Joseph Kurup]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon menyokong.
Timbalan Yang di-Pertua [Datuk Ronald Kiandee]: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, sekarang saya kemukakan masalah kepada Majlis untuk diputuskan. Masalahnya ialah usul seperti yang dikemukakan tadi hendaklah disetujukan.
Usul dikemuka bagi diputuskan; dan disetujukan.

Read more frm parliament hansard
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-21042010.pdf

Anybody got the contents of the proposed changes?
I can't find it on the Parliament site.

Ahmad Said said Terengganu state government will instruct town BH to "relocate" out of town to a designated area for swiftlet farming.

hello guys,

Just join the forum, simply because of vast information on the swiftlet farming. Thank you very much to all the sharing.

on the same note I'm thinking of attending Dr Chris seminar, schedule for this coming June. is it worth the money?

Note : I'm still going through page by page the V1. too much valueable information to digest (not complaining).

This post has been edited by Bujuk: Apr 23 2010, 04:26 PM

Actually this country is a very nice country but the ethnics in this country who runs the politics and government made it look so bad. This country govt love to fark the backside alot. Our backside got fark so many times until we tak rasa already.

I just finished watching the movie Band of Brothers and i saw how Easy Company battalion patriotism to win the World War 2. Will i see myself fighting like them to liberate the European country. Will i fight for my country that fark my backside. Easy Company soldiers were poor and coming from farmer family. Till today, they are proud of what they did.

For once, can the govt just focus on one thing please, earn the rights to be salute by patriots again. The current scenario, they are losing it everything . They were once a jewel in disguise , look at the shit they shit everywhere now, not only their shit... all the shit from their previous anal also came out .

I guess we won't be able to see the real light, drink real pure water , fresh oxygen in our current life . let's join them and fark the China investor backside.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Apr 23 2010, 11:28 PM

You are now in Bastogne.
When the war is over we shall have the equivalent of the Nuremberg trials.
Curahee!

轉寄 列印 字體設定: 小 中 大
法案一旦通過違者最低罰2萬‧採燕窩須擁執照
國內 2010-04-21 18:30

【圖話故事‧板車載母】年近六旬的兄弟倆載著八旬母親，拉著由板車改造的“房車”行至福州將赴台灣旅遊。2009年9月兄弟倆載著81歲的老母，從黑龍江哈爾濱市蘭西縣出發，將一路走到台灣旅遊。大哥王凱59歲，弟弟王銳57歲，為滿足母親寶島旅遊的夢想一路前行。目前，王家兄弟還在等待台灣方面許可“感恩號”入台。 (圖：中新社）

（吉隆坡）一旦2010年保護野生動物法案獲得國會通過，除了捕捉或收藏野生動物必須向執法當局申請執照外，所有涉及野生動物的販賣活動，包括採集燕窩、野生動物標本、出口或進口受保護野生動物的部位或衍生物都必須擁有執照。
法案64條文闡明，任何非法採集燕窩者將面對至少2萬令吉，最高5萬令吉罰款或監禁最高兩年或兩者兼施的刑罰。
法案41（1）條文指出，採集燕窩者必須把採集到的燕窩賣給擁有執照的商家或標本製造商，否則將面對最高2萬令吉的罰款，或坐牢不超過1年，或兩者兼施。
法案闡明，所有持有執照的燕窩販商、標本製造商，以及燕窩採集者，在每次販賣交易時，務必發出收據給購買者，否則將面對不超過1萬令吉罰款或不超過6個月的監禁，或兩者兼施。
法案只限半島和納閩
這項法案今日（週三，4月21日）在下議院由天然資源及環境部副部長丹斯里佐瑟古律提呈一讀。
法案也讓執法當局除了通過發出准證、特別准證或執照方式，以加強對野生動物的執法管制外，也會大幅度提高野生動物保護和走私活動的刑罰。
不過，上述法案只限在大馬半島和納閩範圍實施。
法案闡明，已實施33年的1972年受保護野生動物法令已不合時宜，尤其法令的刑罰太輕，因此提呈上述法案，提高刑罰，並賦予執法人員更大的執法權，去展開執法行動。
虐待野生動物罰款坐牢
另一方面，此法案也闡明，所有虐待野生動物者，包括對動物拳打腳踢、拔掉其爪子、虎牙、禁錮並致傷動物等行為，將面對至少5000令吉，最高5萬令吉的罰款，或坐牢最高1年，或兩者兼施的刑罰。
任何挑釁或激怒野生動物，而導致野生動物威脅人類性命者，將面對不超過3萬令吉或監禁不超過1年或兩者兼施。
任何人都不可擁有、收藏或利用任何形式的捕捉工具（陷阱）來捕捉野生動物，擁有和收藏陷阱者，可被罰款最高10萬令吉或監禁3年或兩者兼施；至於設下陷阱者則將面對至少5萬令吉或最高10萬令吉罰款及監禁2年或兩者兼施。
經營動物園須申請准證
2010年保護野生動物法案闡明，沒有向執法當局申請准證的人士，一律不能經營動物園、進行商業飼養、馬戲團或野生動物展覽、以及對野生動物展開研究工作；而當中若涉及受保護野生動物，則務必申請特別准證。
所有沒持有特別准證者，不能獵捕和收藏受保護野生動物的部位出口、進口和出口受保護野生動物、在關閉季節內獵捕任何受保護野生動物、展開受保護野生動物的研究、在動物園、商業飼養、馬戲團和野生動物展中展示列為受保護之野生動物。
持有特別准證者若使用鎗射擊以捕獵野生動物，必須擁有在1960年武器法令下發出的持鎗執照，而他們在申請特別執照時，務必向執法當局出示持鎗執照。
執照准證不能轉讓
法案指出，所有執照、准證和特別准證一律不能轉讓，而執照期限屆滿後，必須在14天內交還給當局，否則將面對最高1萬令吉的罰款或監禁6個月，或兩者兼施。
在這法案下，總監也有權為提供情報者，提供獎賞。
星洲日報‧2010.04.21

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Added on April 24, 2010, 1:36 amappearantly, this is what the Wildlife department responding to the following... as reported on the Star
Sunday January 24, 2010

Minister to chair special wildlife permit panel
By HILARY CHIEW


PETALING JAYA: The issuing of special permits for totally protected species will now be decided at the ministry level following complaints of mismanagement and corruption at the Department of Wildlife and National Parks (Perhilitan).

Natural Resources and Environ ment Minister Datuk Seri Douglas Uggah Embas, who said this, added that he had taken over the special permit committee chairmanship from the Perhilitan director-general.

“Previously, special permits were vetted by Perhilitan and referred to the minister for the signature. From now, I will chair the committee with guidance from top officials in the ministry and the legal officer.

“We realised that we need another body to cross-check what’s happening on the ground. This is a new approach ... We will include the views of non-governmental organisations to improve the system,” he told The Star.

Total protected species or those listed in Schedule One and Schedule Three of the Protection of Wildlife Act 1972 include highly endangered mammals, reptiles and marine creatures like the orang-utan, tiger, rhinoceros, dolphin, crocodile, snakes and lizards as well as 545 species of birds.

Uggah said the committee was now scrutinising Perhilitan records on the special permits but declined to give details.

He was also tight-lipped on whether the move was linked to a series of press reports and a book casting Perhilitan in a negative light, which led to a public uproar over the department’s handling of wildlife issues in the peninsula.

Sabah and Sarawak have their own wildlife management units.

Animal rights groups had also produced incriminating details of a certain Perhilitan official allegedly colluding with notorious wildlife trafficker Anson Wong and lodged a report with the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission last September.

Last August, Starprobe featured Wong, who denied that he was protected by but spoke approvingly of the high-ranking Perhilitan official.

Uggah also said that a special audit unit had been set up to review rules and procedures of all enforcement agencies under the ministry.

It is learnt that the unit, headed by secretary-general Datuk Zoal Azha Yusof, has been looking into the reports and complaints against Per­hilitan.

Asked if the official implicated was being investigated for misconduct and alleged corruption, Uggah said he was expecting a report soon.

This post has been edited by Kieff: Apr 24 2010, 01:36 AM

anybody from Terengganu? I'm from Dungun.

ha ha.. i prefer to be in Eagle Nest. Curahee! "3 Miles up, 3 Miles down".


This post has been edited by hackwire: Apr 24 2010, 09:36 AM

we know that alcohol = tak halal

is birds nest soup considered halal?

some say it is some say it isn't...

Blood elimination
Islamic dietary law states that a Muslim must not consume blood, however traces of blood may remain within the carcass due to the method of slaughter. However, according to Islamic scholars it is only necessary to remove 'most' of the blood from the animal.[3] As a result meat produced by the halal method is physically indistinguishable from meat produced in most non-halal slaughterhouses[citation needed], which also allow as much blood as possible to drain from the carcass to prevent the meat going off quickly. The practice of draining blood from slaughtered animals in the hot climate of the Middle East may also originally have been done to prevent rapid decay of meat. With the coming of Islam the practice of blood letting came to symbolise releasing the holy spirit or the spirit of the animal. Subsequently, since halal and non-halal meat is physically identical, many Muslims consider it to be suitable for consumption.


This may be the use as the reason for bird nest to be haram if they twisted it...

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Added on April 24, 2010, 10:41 ameven if its halal, i think many muslim will stay away from such product until it gets the certification. A lot of R&D and checking procedure going to be involve to remove those blood stain using a microscopic lens.

But i don't see any reason the Jakim will have to involve in this if your packaging put a label as "non halal" also means " makanan haram"... even better .

This post has been edited by hackwire: Apr 24 2010, 10:46 AM

I recall reading ....unadulterated birdnest soup is, so by inference so is birdnest.
Not my personal interpretation..merely the recollection of an unqualified sinful mortal.
I like my birdnest soup with a dash of alcohol free whiskey.

If you dont believe me, just google for "alcohol free whiskey"

This post has been edited by Cergau: Apr 24 2010, 10:59 AM

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1063914&hl=

Bird house owner. Do you think my motion sensor can assist in detering the owl from coming into the entrance hole?

Please pm me if you need to buy this Security Light . Very Quality built and 500 Watt strong enough to shine huge open area especially at agricultural farm.

I can place bulk order if you guys want to buy.
Right now , i only have very limited only.

There was a post here sometime that this very same setup was used successfully.
Except a strobe light was used in place.

But...I was thinking, can it be reconfigured with a robotic begging arm-hand-palm (combo) and the sensor to pick up BN politicians?
It shd work like this....once sensor detects BN politicians, the arm will reach out with palm open...
If so, I want a dozen, I wanna install them now in Hulu Selangor. (can deliver this afternoon?)
I hope they are durable and can last a few by-elections?
Cost is not a consideration, will be paid for by all of yr tax money frm nest collection and income will pay for it.

i think with the engineering skill, one can always modify it. we do sell the motion sensor standalone unit for existing light. I received enquiry to convert this motion sensor for alarm as well but it need to be modified.

http://burungwalit.wordpress.com/2009/05/1...-sarang-burung/

Many top Muslim political leaders have been eating bird’s nest regularly for ages. Known examples are Tok Guru Nik Aziz, Tun Ma, Najlis and his Ninja Turtle wife……etc……… There are a number of enterprises owned solely by Muslims only selling bird’s nest products in the market for a few years……….