Have spoken to Dato Tok of the PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG NEGERI TERENGGANU, MALAYSIA who is the VP of the federation of BN Merchants of Malaysia and this is what he has to say about the matter.

1. The MB has been mislead by some persons that the birds can be move to ECO parks which are going to be set up in Terengganu but Dato Tok told me that he has explained to the MB and the MB understand it now.....
2. Someone in the group that accompanying MB to China must has been the culprit.
3. So, Trg Town BHs still safe from harm. Alhamduellah.

No offence to WW.

"After understanding it now".... means...he will not proceed with the 'moving' OR
he has understood and will seek further counsel.
When confronted, they will claim being misled.
This seems to be the often repeated favorite excuse!

Being so close to the MB and as a national official, isnt it his job to pro-actively position the industry positively with the MB?
Where is the MB getting his counsel from?

All,
Let's have some self help here.
I have supplied the links to the Bill below
o)WILDLIFE CONSERVATION BILL 2010 (English)
o)RANG UNDANG-UNDANG PEMULIHARAAN HIDUPAN LIAR 2010 (B Malaysia)
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/billindexbi/pdf/DR162010E.pdf
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/billindex/pdf/DR162010.pdf

1)Let's all scrutinise it
2)Discuss the clauses here on the Forum & hope to finish it by end of Sunday/25/Apr?
3)If any objections, we will each go back to our own MP with the objection or alternative amendment if available.

An hour for the sake of your investment?
Salient points
1)This is a new Act when passed by Parliament
2)This will replace Protection of WildLife Act 76.
3)Applies to Peninsular M'sia and FTs only.

Enjoy.

Good point ! Usually information is just a news and if there's no counter attack in the game, the case is still not close until someone put the ball behind the net. If the ball just reflect from the line and a split second of video of evidence also not enough to convince the ref that it's a goal. This is the Brits system. They knew the technology already there to make a judgement better than a refs can make this day. Look at tennis ... each ball touch the line or outside will be digitize in the computer system and accuracy is the key of the game. Sometimes i just don't like the british law . Just full of crooked judges , marshals, refs , linesman, politician, lawmakers etc.

He maybe a friends of MB but MB do has many friends and advisers, even closer and how to tell him not to listen to his other friends/advisers. Everyone make mistake and maybe we do it here, too. The most importance of all is that the MB hasn't directed his men to take actions against the BHs in town and that's itself a blessing.

The Dato was a past strong state politician and he is using his past influence to convince the MB which you and me cannot so we need to appreciate all his help. If we require his help or assistance again, he will help but as gentlemen, we need to request politely cos he doesn't own us a dime and he is doing it for us. They elect him also due to the facts that he can help but we didn't or did we?????

I was there before as the President of my Association and gave up due to unsatisfactory commitment from the members.....as we appointed our leaders, they have the obligation to lead, the members also have the duty to obey otherwise who want to lead when the team does not give full backing to its leaders. As leaders understand, all goods works done are forgotten, just one bad mistake will have have his hide.

If Dato is reading, I wish to convey my appreciations for all that he has done and hope that he can ensure that BHs remain in town forever at national level. Dato is also getting old cos he forget to give me a copy of the draft copy even after a fewl reminders.....biasa dengan orang tua lah, jangan marah marah.

Yes, did hear this Dato Tok is a rather more fair, just and committed personality and not a power craze with hidden agenda. Can be considered a good guy and is many times better than the other Dato who the locals and those know him long and deep considered a wild animal and maneater like the Tasmanian ghost who donesn't chew but swallow whole including own brothers and followers. Only those newbies new but far from him think he is good man cos he is Dato......wait and see........if u walk too close with him......

Did heard the same thing before but only thru words of mouth like what we read in Newspapers; are they all the truth cos alot are rubbish. As long as the person can provide us and support us in our battle, he is good man even though he maybe formally a criminal, am I right cos I maybe wrong........ . He has come to our assistance when we need it and has positive feedback whenever we asked, so to our BHs, he is our friend. White or Black, as long as he catches rats, he is a good cat.

Couldn't care less for any horrific titles, like I once said to my friends, give me the Tun, I will screw his face if he is wrong. This is for discussion only and hopefully, I didn't offend anyone by my straight taking.

On swiftlet matter, I guess it's about harvesting time and hope the price still maintain the same. The buyers will definitely try force price down due to the large supply coming....beware.

With the proposed amendment of Animal Protection law where minimum ONE Year Jail term for offender : these few buggers and their BOSS should be chain n bring to the court for Justice !!!.







Still remember this ? :














Those who proposed to the GOVT to demolish/ dismantle / move/ ban Town shop Sanctuary and those who Help/Suggest To the govt to close all grd floor farm should also be proud of ur doing.

You should copy all these photo's and make it into a Calender and shows it to your childrens, grand childrens, and great grand childrens what good deeds u have done !.


Moving ?? Shut Down ???


while u can said it so easy, why not u come down to our place where we have quite a few farms with grd floor alone have over few thousands birds. We can pay for ur transportation expenses and ur accommodation cost.

You can come down and show us how to close it down !. How to kill thousands of young chics, juvenile birds and thousands of adult birds.

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Added on April 25, 2010, 6:01 pmWhile we, keepers, do our part in maintaining our sanctuaries in good condition, such as this keeper in melaka where new coat of paint is applied to the old building.






and just a few block away, a rotten old building :







Wonder which one will tourists prefer?









This post has been edited by ChanK: Apr 25 2010, 06:01 PM

Thanks Chank, I know what to do if they destroy my BH cos I shall bring them to court but hope that there will be fair justice @ court as " Kuan " has no 2 mouths!!!!

Secondly, I like your suggestion that to print the destruction of the BHs @ Mukah and send them to those who proposed to the GOVT to demolish/ dismantle / move/ ban Town shop Sanctuary and those who Help/Suggest to the govt to remind them that what would happen in case the Govt destroy BHs @ towns and it will be thousands times worst than what happened @ Mukah.

Lastly, you have shown them proof that heritage buildings need maintenance and without income from the BH, the old buildings will soon give way to new buildings cos the old buildings will collapse in no time.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 25 2010, 06:57 PM

2013, not far from now........

chank, what is the story here? seems like it happen in 2008.
is it in melaka?

who are the 3 guys?
if these bird are now consider wildlife protection, these guys must be haul up and sent to prison.

mukah?

Due to frequent breaking, we now have hugh thick metal doors but what I see is that their hinges remain small and why are the hinges place outside and not inside??

Please advice

For safety from gas cutter, how about metal sandwich door with either concrete or plywood in between. Would that make the door more secure than just thick metal door as plywood or concrete prevent the penetration from the oxyacetylene torch.

My layman suggestion to the problem on safety.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 26 2010, 05:35 PM

Just to clarify for you what happened in Mukah last year, and act as a reminder to all forum readers what can occur when the Authorities that are responsible for the protection of nature act against nature, revisit this news article..

Swiftlet Farmers Cry Foul Over Licenses http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...&sec=southneast

how about those em magnetic lock.
how can we close the door and lock it from inside.
another way is to use the hydraulic auto gate arm plus em lock.

doors will be push to close with remote control.

there's a pepper spray machine which can deter thief from standing too close to the entrance too . it will pump out alot of pepper gas.

The Oxy acetylene torch is a very slow way of cutting through steel and limited to about 2" of steel.

Nowadays, a simpler DIY cutter but has capabilities of cutting through much thicker steel is the thermic lance. Consisting of iron tube with wire wool and and an oxygen supply. A car battery is used to start to off. Commercial cutters would use a carbon or tungsten cutting head with a welding generator. A cheaply available cutter would be a plasma cutter but has limited thickness capabilities, about 10mm. The plasma cutter will also cut through non ferrous metals like bronze, as well as stainless steel.

A sandwich construction of steel + aluminium + steel is usually used to deter cutting as it tends to explod in the cutter's face. Steel melts and is oxidise when cut with the above methods. As this is done a great amount of heat is produced and melts the aluminium to boiling point. When the steel face is penetrated, molten aluminium spurts out under great pressure, this aluminium ignites with the oxygen from the cutting torch and air around which shoots out towards the operator and burns him/her very badly as the fire cannot be put out easily.

Plywood sandwich would be a waste of time. Concrete makes the cutting much slower.

Recent break ins have been done with a portable jackhammer and straight through the wall. An excavator has also been used. 6" concrete wall in a matter of minutes with the brc cut using large wire cutters. 9" brick wall in much less time.

Sheet metal placed inside the wall was just pushed down by the excavator.

A small hydraulic jack will open any lock, hinge, latch etc. as used by the fire rescue services.

Co-operate with all your nearby BH owners and hire an armed guard/security company for 24hr. protection. Wire up all alarms to notify Security firm as well as nearest Police stn. Donate generously to Police funds.

Pay a reward of cash Rm5000 for thieves caught and beaten up.

nice tips.

one option is to install alarm that will alert you though phone. then you can dispatch someone to access the situation. it is not that expensive, and easy to install. but you need to have a phone line.

I recall an article I read years ago of an actual bank vault door that were taken on by a group of burglars.
Yes, vault doors are now made with a sandwich of various material.
In this particular incident, the burglars ran out of gas for the torch trying to geth thru this layer (after getting thru a number of layers).
Unknown to them a hammer at this stage would break that particular layer
Cos it was made of some space-age material that can withstand very high temperatures but not whacks from a hammer.

I have this particular experience of a bank vault the floor space of a single storey house.
One day a huge flood occurred, water leaked thru the ceiling into the vault!!
Moral of the story...the vault was as strong as it's weakest point...which in this case...the concrete roof which was the floor slab of the floor above.
Getting thru the door would haven a long time, but if one were hack thru the roof slab, that would be much easier.

My take on the current state of physical enhancement used are only effective to delay than prevent.
Whilst a secondary security system is used (upon break-in) to alert the owner for any subsequent action.
I think it's been commented enuff here there's no way to prevent a determined thief.
Also I recall a report that ropes were left behind after a theft, guess where they entered through?

Also another posting of electrification of the obvious entrances for both owls and burglars...stepped down voltage?
How does one defeat a grappling hook attached to a 1/8 inch steel cable?
Dun know of any legal precedence of burglars killed by booby trapping.
That too can be defeated by cutting off power.

Any security gizmos require power, as such a standalone backup power will be preferable?
I figure that the least broken into BHs are the ones with a stay-in resident.
I am aware that not many will not be willing to discuss their measures in the fear of being defeated.
But a determined thief will probe your BH weaknesses until the chink in the armor is found.

I realise there are desperate thieves and brutal robbers who would not hesitate to inflict physical harm...
But if one has taken all sensible measures, the rest will be calculated and acceptable risks, similar to driving, taking a flight..etc.
Living among politicians in theiur human form is an unavoidable risk, they may bite and give you rabies or kill you thru a heart attack.
YET Perhilitan has yet to categorise parliament a zoo and the inhabitants wildlife.

Which brings me to the Wildlife Conservation Act 2010 Bill.
No one has any concerns and happy if it goes thru with the 2nd and 3rd reading in Parliament and be gazetted to become law?

The New Wildlife Act :


118. Hybrid deemed a controlled wildlife



Requirement for permit
10. (1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, no person shall—
(b) operate a commercial captive breeding;
unless he holds a permit granted under this Act.
(2) Where the zoo, commercial captive breeding, circus or
wildlife exhibition operation involves any totally protected wildlife,
the person shall obtain a special permit pursuant to section 11 in
respect of the totally protected wildlife.



Requirement for licence
9. (1) Subject to the provisions of this Act, no person shall—
(a) hunt or keep any protected wildlife;
(b) take or keep any part or derivative of any protected
wildlife;
© collect birds’ nests;
(d) carry on the business of dealing;
(e) carry on the taxidermy business;
(f) import, export or re-export any protected wildlife or any
part or derivative of any protected wildlife,
unless he holds a licence granted under this Act.


Collecting birds’ nests without licence
64. Any person who collects birds’ nests without a licence
commits an offence and shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine
of not less than twenty thousand ringgit and not more than fifty
thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding
two years or to both.


Sale of birds’ nest by birds’ nest collector
41. (1) A birds’ nest collector shall sell birds’ nest collected by
him only to a licensed dealer or licensed taxidermist.
(2) Any birds’ nest collector who contravenes subsection (1)
commits an offence and shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine
not exceeding twenty thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a
term not exceeding one year or to both.



Power of arrest
93. (1) An enforcement officer may arrest without warrant
any person whom he reasonably believes has committed or is
attempting to commit an offence under this Act or any of its
subsidiary legislation.
(2) An enforcement officer making an arrest under subsection
(1) shall, without unnecessary delay, bring the person arrested
to the nearest police station, and thereafter the person shall be
dealt in accordance with the law relating to criminal procedure
for the time being in force.



Search and seizure with warrant
94. (1) If it appears to a Magistrate, upon written information
on oath from an enforcement officer and after such inquiry as
the Magistrate considers necessary, that there is reasonable cause
to believe that—
(a) any premises has been used; or
(b) there is in any premises evidence necessary to the conduct
of an investigation into,
the commission of an offence under this Act or any of its subsidiary
legislation, the Magistrate may issue a warrant authorizing the
enforcement officer named in the warrant, at any reasonable time
by day or by night and with or without assistance, to enter the
premises and if need be by force.



Search and seizure without warrant
95. If an enforcement officer is satisfied upon information received
that he has reasonable cause to believe that by reason of delay
in obtaining a search warrant under section 94 the investigation
would be adversely affected or evidence of the commission of
an offence is likely to be tampered with, removed, damaged or
destroyed, the enforcement officer may enter the premises and
exercise in, upon and in respect of the premises all the powers
referred to in section 94 in as full and ample a manner as if
he were authorized to do so by a warrant issued under that
section.



Power to enter premises
98. Notwithstanding sections 94 and 95, an enforcement officer
may at any time enter any premises for the purposes of—
(a) inspecting any wildlife, part or derivative of any wildlife,
conveyance, book, record, document or thing as he
considers necessary;
(b) verifying the accuracy of records or statements or any
information given to an enforcement officer; or
© collecting samples of any wildlife or part or derivative
of any wildlife.




Issue of receipt
44. (1) A licensed dealer, licensed taxidermist and birds’ nest
collector shall, at the time of each sale, issue a receipt of sale
to the purchaser.
(2) Any licensed dealer, licensed taxidermist or birds’ nest
collector who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence
and shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine not exceeding ten
thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six
months or to both.


Limitation on granting licence or permit
32. (1) The licensing officer may grant licences or permits
according to the prescribed quota.
(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), the licensing officer with
the approval of the Minister may, from time to time, grant licences
or permits in addition to the prescribed quota.



Setting up, etc., an obstruction on road, etc.
100. (1) The Director may, if he suspects that an offence under
this Act or any of its subsidiary legislation has been committed,
give directions to any enforcement officer to get the assistance
of the police to set up or place an obstruction or roadblock on
any public road or highway or any public place, for the purpose
of stopping any vehicle for examination.
(2) An enforcement officer who stops any vehicle under
subsection (1) may exercise all the powers referred to in
section 101.

Power to stop, search and seize conveyance









This post has been edited by ChanK: Apr 26 2010, 09:00 PM

Well it looks to me as if the Honourable Prime Minister is unable to control his Government, as this act will destroy his ability to expand the Swiflets Industry as is his purported wish from earlier speeches. If I were in the Governments of neighbouring countries I would be celebrating. once again, the stupidity of the Malaysian Government and it's ability to curtail it's own countries economic success, to their financial benefit.

Petition your local YB's to stop this act from becoming law without excluding the Swiflet Industry from it's Draconian conditions, or continue trading at your own peril..