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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Feb 17 2009, 08:55 AM, updated 16y ago

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Use This Thread Only After V1 Closed.

After 2 years of Lowyat.net swiftlet farming discussion forum it's finally come to end of lifespan for V1 topic on "Everything About Swiftlet Farming". This V2 thread started on the day our Sarawak brothers fight for their life investments against incompetent You Know Who Boleh.

Anything regarding swiftlet industry as in V1 can continue here after V1 thread closed. Sharing ideas, complaints, tips, product introductions, questions are welcome here. Not only limited to Malaysian ranchers but all in this industry.

Some links regarding swiftlet farming:
Kong Heng Swiftlets Equipments Supply
Nest Tech Equipment Technology
Ming-Yan.com
Nest Talk Consultation Service
Crystal Swiftlets
Klub Peternak Walet - Indonesia
aerodramus.com
Yahoo Discussion Group

Blogs regarding swiftlet farming:
CATATAN HENMILIA

Swiftlet Farming : an Addictive Hobby & Multi-Million Dollar Business
Johan Walet.com
GMYS ENTERPRISE-Menjual Peralatan Memancing Burung Walet
Swallow Bird Nest Indonesia
燕农天地与燕屋管理 (swiftlet farming & management)
World of Swiftlet Farming

Proceeded from V1 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/431781/+2420

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post Mar 4 2009, 03:13 AM

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Ladies & gentlemen. Please grow up and don't simply make empty assumptions and accuses without solid evidence. This platform is for fellow farmers to make friends not enemies. Aren't we have enough common problems to be solved already? All should know no consultant or product gurantee 100% success. If a product doesn't work on one does not mean it won't work for others. Everybody got their positive and negative sites. If one gets only praise and everybody like him with zero negative comment then there must be a problem with him.
Please keep those blind critics in personal blogs only. Write whatever you like there.
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post Mar 9 2009, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Mar 9 2009, 10:56 AM)
As west wing said, you have nothing inside yet so don't bother to close the gate. Since you opted open roof entrance, chances of owl diving in is lessen ( please correct me if I'm wrong).

My open roof entrance hole is 6' by 6' and yours is 10' by 10'. can any sifu give commend about size of open roof opening hole ? 
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6'x6' for open roof too small for today's new BH. Flying pattern entering hole totally different from side hole entrance. So cannot follow side hole entrance size lah. 10'x10' consider minimum for my personal standard. Personally prefer 4mx4m.
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post Mar 9 2009, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 9 2009, 02:19 PM)
Use electric shock type. Place the electric line at the bottom of your entrance hole as the owl will first rest on the entrance hole before entering BH so as to ensure there is no human or trap in the BH. Once the owl touches to electrical line of low voltage but high amp, if the owl still live, they will remember for the rest of their life not to venture into you BH and the lines are safe for human. Also, the lines have no effect on the swiftlets as they don not touch the 2 wires at one time.  Any predator like giant lizard or snake too will remember the trill of being electrified.

Someone who have electrical qualifications may want to give some advice on the topic.
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Electric pole shocker should be high voltage, low amp. So it would only cause pain to the area that touches. Not whole body shock. (Amp=flowing of electricity)
Owl problem often face by standalones which surrounded by trees which some trees got owl nests on them. One of the expensive option is to clear up larger area trees. This option is call "Habitat Modification".

Some owner use trap outside BH to catch owls and relocate them. Spring net trap, bubu type traps did caught some owls before. Rat bait + rat glue did caught some smaller size owls but the glue not strong enough to hold larger owls.

Poisoned rat bait - No comment. since not allowed by wildlife act. Pandai-pandai lah.

Frightening - I've seen 1 BH hanging a dead/dried body of owl outside the BH to scare owls away. Works or not don't know.

Shooting - Since the owls are causing damage to BH......
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post Jul 12 2009, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(tangsn @ Jul 11 2009, 03:54 PM)
[attachmentid=1071712]Any one can give some comment about this design?
any failure about this pen roof design?welcome to comment!
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Sorry to say the whole design from scale, fly path, roving path are totally koyak. Play in-out at entrance got lah. Low % will reach the nesting to explore.
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post Jul 26 2009, 11:38 PM

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From my months of observation at Kg. Cina back river AF do touch water occationally. Some said they wet the chest feather then drink from their chest while flying. Or the touch of water is for feeding. A video taken by a friend at Nibong Tebal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68cZ4p_g8Mw

The video was then given to "uncle" to post at Youtube.

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post Aug 26 2009, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Semuabumi @ Aug 24 2009, 10:54 AM)
Sifu West Wing,

I have a question for you hope you can help. I heard a friend says all swiftlets eggs in his farm drop to the floor.
What is the reason? The parents reject the eggs?

Thank you in advance.
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Check the condition of eggs. Broken or not. If not broken try bounce the egg on floor. If it bounce back like a ping-pong and will not break mean the egg already dead. Parents already dumped the egg from nest. Normally due to extreme cold or hot condition cause this type of dead eggs.
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post Oct 5 2009, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 5 2009, 09:53 AM)
Hahaha... mosquitoes & flies!!!  >.<

Thanks aerohead, was a very educative link. I think i'll e-mail the link to MPSp's president. I mean... based on what i read... it does seem that PERHILITAN is an authority on Aviation guidelines (not!!!)... there was no referring to the aviation governing body whatsoever... bulat-bulat from Perhilitan. Funny eh? After this maybe Perhiltan will launch its own airline... Swiftlet Air?

Sorry for asking CWG, i am not that familiar with humidifiers... but i'd like to know if they have warranties and if they do, for how long. Is it necessary for regular maintenance? Nesting area is about 6,240sqft (deducting LAL, audioroom)... so roughly meaning 2 humidifiers per floor... plus hygrostat/floor...  still cheaper than mist spray system. Interesting.
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For a 6,240sqft area humidification a mist spray system is cheaper than multiple unit of poultry humidifier to cover an area that large. The affordable type of mist spray system using normal 1/2" PVC pipes instead of expensive high pressure tubings and using PVC adjustable nozzles instead of costly metal nozzles. For an area that size a China made 1HP well pump would be sufficient to power up 50 nozzles. Depend on where you install the pump. BUT, problem with mist spray system compare to other types of active BH humidification systems - water particle is big. Without proper control you'll get floor as wet as old fish market. Then when the shit get too wet you'll have rotten egg smell in your bh.
The good part is it's cheaper for a big BH. Lower operating noice level than poultry humidifier since the pump can be located outside.


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post Oct 5 2009, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 5 2009, 03:07 PM)
Poor man's DIY Humidifier with minimum maintenance and trouble.

Materials

Sand bricks
Lorry canvas or other cheaper alternative as long as it last long and not easily broken.
Sand
Poly pipes and dripping nozzles
 

Method

Arrange the bricks on the floor to form several long rectangle shape along the side wall.
( for faster and cheaper set up, use the 2" x 2" wood discarded from the BH construction to form the rectangle also can) 
Cut the canvas and lay it on top of the rectangle bricks shape to form a small pond.
Pour sand into the pond about 1 inch thick
Connect your piping and dripping nozzles to drip water onto the sand.
Adjust the dripping volume accordingly just enough to wet the sand only.
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Since you just need to drip and not pressurised spray, water pump is not necessary as long as your main water pressure is high enough or you have good gravity pressured water coming from water tank located at top floor.
You can add on Hygrostat to control the water supply automatically based on preset humidity level. 
The set up is reversible due to no permanent fixtures and fittings.
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This method using natural evaporation to increase humidity. Some kind of passive humidification. BUT, by how many %RH? How much can this method increase the %RH for a BH where open area quite big compare to a bedroom. On days where the %RH is only 50% or lower and you want 70%-80%RH how? Will the gadget increase humidty of area a bit further than it say 10feet? In my humble opinion to generate enough humidity you'll need to make this type of side pond along side wall of whole floor. Probably need a lorry of sand bricks or more. "A small pond" is not enough since it's passive method. Hygrostat controls by turn on and off electricity. Water supply can meh? What if I set 75%RH and the environment humidity never reach that with this method? Water keep dripping? Only this method alone is not enough to generate enough humidity for most BH. Those near river bank and natural humidity already high can lah. This method can serve as humidity stabilizer like a pool inside BH without the worry of leaking. Humidity stabilizer= When our active humidification reaches ideal point then stop by hygrostat normally the environment %RH will drop at a rate faster than ideal. With a humidity stabilizer the environment %RH will drop at a ver slow rate.
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post Feb 12 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Feb 8 2010, 08:45 PM)
Sifus,
I humbly seek your comments on my proposed BH design.
Thank you in advance.
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Good and practical design. Nice one.
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post Apr 24 2010, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(htc @ Apr 24 2010, 10:03 AM)
we know that alcohol = tak halal

is birds nest soup considered halal?

some say it is some say it isn't...
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http://burungwalit.wordpress.com/2009/05/1...-sarang-burung/
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post May 9 2010, 10:57 AM

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V2 thread finally concluded and closed. Million thanks to all fellow contributors.
Please proceed further discussion to V3 Swiftlet Keeping Discussion.

V3 Swiftlet Keeping Discussion

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