You can actually extend addition 15' x10' floor in the 1st floor to the roving area so that you have a 15'W x 10'L conceal control room at ground floor and install a metal staircase at the side wall to go up to 2nd floor. Your birds can now fly without obstructions.

the export problem ? how about the maximum limit per kilo for tourist who buys in malaysia? i think the govt should not have the limit for this as well. it should be open up until supply level is low.

im sure soon all bird nest farmers will be tax for annually soon.

how is this going to change for now? im sure our govt will never let this go easily. every corner also they will tax u. will see what benefits they are going to give and support if they want to tax .

Thanks for the suggestions.

The total dimension of the building is important. If the building id a standalone farm then you have the opportunity to build to use the space efficiently.

The roving room should be at the same level as the in/out hole area. Maximize on the roving room and you'll get better results. Think 30ft x 40ft. or more for better light control. In my next house I will devote at least half if not the whole of the topmost floor as a roving room, it also acts as a heat control for the nesting room below.

Inter floor access should be aligned so that birds fly from one level to another without circling much. Small and narrow voids cause the birds to circle and it may be OK for old birds but that'll kill the young birds. Your doors are a sure killer.

I suspect you are trying to make a building that can become an office or such like in case the bird house venture fails. Positive thinking and all out effort make a success of the swiftlet venture. "I will not fail because I will make the best possible for the birds and will keep trying to improve."

anyone find any similarity with bee farms? can bees stay with swiftlet.
can use the ground floor to breed australian bees . i wonder if swiftlet can live with bees or not?

From what I heard and get and how true they are, I realy don't know as I am just giving some information that I get lah to share with you all.

1.Formally, per Kilo @ Rm100 and now, Rm100 irrespectively of the amount and that's I think is reasonable and I presume that tourists are not be pull up for taking some nests out for gift or personal usage.

2. Export done thru Jabatn Veterinar and not Jabatn Perhilitan.

3. Other not nice things better not discuss here.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

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Added on April 19, 2010, 2:23 pmI am just going to discuss your BH just this one time only since I am the one that suggest to you that design for your agriculture land. I will try to explain the logic behind it.

1.Using the stairway to be the roving area has the advantage as it really save alot of space and you have the large area for you birds to play more than 30 feets high.
2. You need to widen the area ( roving area as they called it) to a larger space taking consideration that your stair take up some space. Consideration must be given to the swiflet ability to circle in the stairway used.
3. This design is most suitable for agriculture land as it protect your BH from being burglary as each floor become a individual BH and the thieves need to break into each floor to be able to steal your nests.
4. I have successfully using the special designed doors as entrance holes and it is so convenience cos in future when you have alot of birds and nests, you may want to close the door leaving small gaps in the metal doors to allow the birds in but keeping the thieves out. Initially, all doors need to be open as you wish to allow the birds free flow into your nesting area and you whole building now is a nesting which does not require a roving area in the BH.
5. Why use the door as the entrance to your nesting are is because no one told you that you need special opening for entrance as the more opening to your nesting area is bad for securities.
6. As I often said, using a airwell type, consideration must be given to a easy movement for the birds. Just imagine a 747 plane coming for landing and your runaway must be long enough or big enough for it to fly away incase it get frighten or scared. When your BH become successful, you not longer need this as your birds now can do a helicopter style to fly into the BH just like pouring water.
6. In all new BH, I rather prefer a larger entrance opening but due to the followings for BHs @ agriculture land, you need to consider

a) Burglary.
b) Wind
c) sunlight
d) Predators

Above, are my comments for my friend, Mr. Yeo and wish him the luck.





This post has been edited by West Wing: Apr 19 2010, 02:23 PM

Thank you very much for the comments, WW. All's well. Air-well good!

Hahaha...........I know about the bird and the bee children story but I rather not try it at my BH , my friend. Bird and bees don't mix, my simple brain tell me so, better go for sometime that mix like earth worms or eels farming or fish....anything but not the bees.

thanks for the advise. i guess so since bees are insect too.
honey and swiftlet so much different .
both also provide nutrient food but swiftlet have the aging protein and repair cells.

Looking at your plan, you may put a high entrance hole for each floor if you think that you can't secure the door well against the human/birds. predators.

Again, as always, a suggestion only......

brother jo,

any design which has the internals right, birds will like and stay. some even have bird houses made out of the 20' / 40' containers.

so long as the bird can enter to the nesting area, then they can judge the internal conditions and if more interesting and comfortable than previous encounters, then you are king...

have fun and good luck!

Hi tuckfook,

Good idea, please start a new topic or thread. You can also voice your opinion at:

http://noswiftlethousesingeorgetown.blogspot.com/

Thank you

OK Georgetown, the Ball in in your court. I have started a new topic.

" No Swiftlet Houses in Georgetown, Are Swiftlet Houses good for Georgetown? "

this can be found under 'Finance, Business and Investment House' in this forum

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1397059


Georgetown, invite all your friends to post all your objections and we'll do our best to address them

Mr. GeogeTown,

I am not going to post anymore at your blog as you and your friends don't know anything about the swiftlets and sanctuaries so why bother at all to explain to those who keep their ears and mind shut. Nothing can help as your group have kept your eyes closed and so useless explaining if you aren't listening correctly. You need to check your facts first and don't just throw in anything you have cos we are not your enemy but wish to be your friends if you allow us to be. I just want you and your friends to have a clearer picture and the real facts but your friend said that I am a liar and that I can never accept and able to forgive him.

You are thinking that we are all uneducated ppl but please be reminded that most of the BH operators are professional by occupation and only providing swiftlet sanctuaries for retirement, family future and children further education.

All your complaints about the BHs in town can either be solved or they are just nonsenses just an example; decreasing market value for the properties. Just look around you and you will find that properties go up at least double since the industry come to town for without it, the town value will drop like bird shit but never swiftlet shit. It was the industry that help the town properties value and developers from going bankrupt during the last recession period. Without the industry then, many of other down stream biz will also suffer if you get your facts correctly.

Now, agriculture land at good swiftlets locations become so high price also due to this industry and many formally poor kampung folks have became instant millionaires because their land at least increase by 5 times since 10 years ago. My friend just sold a piece of his agriculture land for 50K an acre which he bought just 8K just 9 years ago........

Georgetown , I'm pleased that the Penang Lang had finally cleared the gurney drive beach after a 20 years wait under the bn govt that time. Nothing was done back then n now they discovered tractors tyre n refrigerator there. Ok the low yat forumers here have many educated people around from young to old. Some are so filthy rich n just research swiftlet their whole live. There are lawyers n doctors too who came in here. The blog u created is a shrink. One way . The birds are innocent. We all shit n goes back to ocean, can the shellfish and corals create a blog on anti human. We really wish that you remove some of the wrong facts you had injected to some of the mean people. I'm sure you have good judgement .

Latest new on Town BH. What shd the existing town BH owner do???

http://www.kwongwah.com.my/news/2010/04/20/19.html

Wish to inform that Jo Yeo has a excellent way to solve temperature at your BH on agriculture land. This method can isolate heat or cold from getting into the BH and able to maintain the constant temperature in the BH.

I believe that it will work.

Unc WW,
Perhilitan's website shows status quo
Export licence is still issued thru Perhilitan and not thru the vets services
http://www.wildlife.gov.my/index.php/bm/co...g-layang-layang

Jo Yeo,
Why dun you share what you are doing differently.
Most folks here like to tinker with new toys and methods.
At least it provides us momentary distraction frm all the worrisome events lately.

Dear Cergau,

Why not check with Jabatan Veterinari on the subject cos you cannot trust the website as most depts. don't keep their site up to date. I haven't got the time and if you find otherwise, inform me and I will try to contact the Federal Association for the reason and then come back to you on the matter concerned. OK?