Nothing new. Placing Polystrene boards both inside and outside of the BH and plaster
over them nicely. The effect achieved inside a stylofoam box is the rationale.

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Added on April 21, 2010, 1:13 pmEarnestly I pick up knowledge in this field from the Man,
Faithfully I practise what the Man taught.
With distractions and through time, it remains.

For the good of All-kind and the duty of mankind,
this Kingdom has to be here to stay and flourish.

This post has been edited by Jo Yeo: Apr 21 2010, 01:13 PM

Following comment sent to Mr/Ms Geoargetown blog. Basically repeat and repeat and repeating the same old same old ....


Do you know that swiftlets already in existence in major towns in the country during our grandfathers and great great grandfathers age, way before existence of any swiftlet shop houses? Shop owners only provide a place for the birds to stay? Instead of staying at the five foot ways and shit like in the past, now all business is contained inside the house and not affecting any outsiders. Claimed that swiftlets dropping stain your cars and streets are utter nonsense. These species do not perch on the trees or hanging wires. You are probably mixing with other species like pigeons or swifts.

In the past, people are providing place for grass swift to stay at the five foot ways in almost all towns in the country due to ‘feng shui’ believe, but nobody complaining. Now everything contain inside the shophouse, like you human stay inside your own house, eat and shit and fart inside, why outsiders have to say you cannot do this and tat. Hey, tell me what business to do then? How to maintain the building? Upper floors no tenants for many yrs, building abandoned due to lousy country GDP or bad investment, tell me how to maintain the building then!? How to pay the bank? Talk is cheap.

You so call pro heritage folks should be grateful to the swiftlet farmers for buying all these dilapidated old shophouses, revamped, restored it to its past glory with the income from swiftlet nests. Win-win situation for all, for the birds and for the pro heritage folks. Façade of the old building are well maintained, what else you need to complain?

Without swiftlets, please advise what other businesses can town folks do. Open your mind, don’t look only at Penang, look at all small towns in the country. Do you suggest shop owners follow Singapore footsteps, turn the pre-historic shophouses into pubs, KO-K, whatever you can think of like Mohamad Sultan Road in Spore. May be you folks will be happier at night?!

Author claimed that swiftlet houses in agriculture land is affordable is utterly baseless. Piece of 1 acre agriculture land at the west coast can cost from min $100k to >$300k pending on area. A new smallest swiftlet house cost min average $200k. Putting a building in a no men’s landed is a big no no, unless you are cash rich. The risk is too high. If swiftlet refuse to stay in your building, please tell us what are you going to do with the building?! Min $300-$400k going down the drain mind you!

Please be informed that failure rate of these industry is around 80%.

Please also be informed that security is the biggest issue now, even broad day like in the city also get robbed, of course, non of your concern.

Please also be informed that the government is targeting 130,000 units of bird houses in the country to bring the country GDP to higher level, as promise by our beloved PM. 130,000 x $400,000 = $52,000,000,000.00 ie RM52 Billion! Where to find this kind of money with failure rate of >80%. You want the country to gamble away with RM52 BILLION? Again, talk is cheap.

Claiming that swiftlets farms bring diseases, damage property also baseless. Again, as repeated above, these species already stay in towns during our grandfather age. Nobody make any big fuss about it. Those you find at the five foot ways till today are a bigger species called grass swift. Swiftlet stays in many abandoned building in towns since ages ago. What diseases have they spread since your grandfather age? You and me probably wont be around today! Swiftlet farms damaged property? Have you seen swiftlet dropping? It is like your house lizard drop. What damage to the property are you talking about? Quoted from your blog, ‘behind the pretty facade, hides the workings of a swiftlet farm’? The blogger is clearly contradicting him or herself.

This species is very special if you do enough study on them. They don’t mix around with others migrating birds, they don’t perch on trees or ground or mixed with domestic animals, they fly at high attitude during the day, and most importantly they consume insects. Which in away reduce flies and mosquitoes and beetles etc. Go compare animals that consume meat and insects and see the great difference. We humans are dirtier that swiftlets, if you think properly. Our human faeces smells far worst than hundreds of swifltlet combine.

With the discovery of this new industry, local folks are revamping and restored old dilapidated abandoned building to something useful, something like provide cottage industry to local folks and creating jobs. Contractors, nest cleaners, housekeepers, to traders and exporters are very glad they discovered this industry 10yrs ago. Now they thanks God they can survive and send their sons and daughters to study overseas. Else what kind of income can support town folks? Young ones migrate to big towns or overseas, left old folks. Factories are moving out of the country, country FDI falling down and down. Hundreds and thousands of folks direct or indirectly benefited from this new found industry like tin mines and rubbers. If you don’t believe, go demolish all swifthouses, see how many people with die under your ‘good’ hand (for the lame excuse of preserve pre-historic shophouses) and the country plummet to the lowest point.

Since with old buildings, new building and not so new buildings already in existence, and swiftlet aleady in existence in town (with or without swiftlet shophouses), people are just capitalized on the stranded assets and made full use of it. Why need to folk out $52 BILLION RINGGIT to put new farms in no where, and risk to loss $42 BILLION if the birds did not co-operate?

Please noted that YB Ong Ka Chuan when he was a Local Housing Minister many times giving green lights to swiftlet farming in commercial shoplots. Besides, many ministers and even PMs support this industry. It is legal mind you. Unless you are talking about swiftlet in residential houses or flats, that’s illegal.

Please get your facts right and don’t put baseless accusation on this new cottage industry.

The only problem that we agree is noise problem. That too can be solved. External noise only allowed played from 7am-8pm. Noise level is the issue that we need co-operation from the shop owners, and that can be solved, thru associations, town councils, regulation thru 1GP etc. With regulation and lesser redtapes, technical problem can always be solved. Else, no need police summon on the roads anymore.

Sorry for any offence and thank you for the opportunity to voice our view.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Apr 21 2010, 01:45 PM

Width of space after entering the entrance hole
is increased to 10'. Hope this is good roving width.
On every level opposite of the entrance hole,
there will be openings for birds. Higher, 3 feet down
from ceiling. About 3'H x 4'W.

Human access doors will be adjacent to the staircase.


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Dearest friends and advocates of SSP's, my sincerest apologies for this unwarranted silence. Had some personal issues to face, solve and execute... from audio problems, to orgying owls partying at the entry hole, snakes, modifying the roof, some swiftlet education activities, some politicking stuff and a personal vendetta. I've been doing things within my means... inline with my beliefs about the industry, as well as trying to make it a community based industry (which still needs to be proven).

Personal apologies to Uncle Lucas, Cergau, ray, CK, hackwire, htc. Will be active again early next month. Updating info with DVS & JBPD.

I'll jumble up pm's replies here, as unspecific as possible.

It will be an honor to meet you WW. Will ring you up once i smell the ocean breeze.

I emailed some of you, by the way.

Thanks for the newsclips & updates. Skimmed thru pages. Totally in a cave (BH). Celcom broadband sucks here.

Just to share some info. After spraying parfum & applying shit (swiftlet's, not mine)... the birds fly very-very low despite no audio. Now i understand the meaning of 'keen sense of smell'. Audio problem... cpu condemned. Damn.

Bobby C, i will also have a chance to meet Fatchih Marzuki end of May. Will hope to gain more knowledge and see for myself the practices done in Indonesia. Will share the experience.

Lets all educate the people around us about the industry. If each of us plays our part, it will benefit the industry in the long run.

ps. can't hold back... Celcom broadband sucks.

10' width roving not to say you can't but very minimum. Is either you want to give the birds more comfortable flying path or you sayang the nesting space. But no point having more nesting space over less birds manage to fly in right ?
An option for you is to widen the top foyer to 20' x 30', so that you can walk inside (on top of 2nd floor) the foyer for external tweeter maintenance work and you get HUGE roving area.
You can increase roving at 2nd floor slightly to 12' and the 1st floor roving at 9'. With that, you have a 3' walk way to enter 2nd floor from 1st floor via a wall-sided staircase.

With 30' width and spacious internal roving area, you can have single nesting room's hole right in the center.
Remember to open a spare open roof hole for future 1gp compliance issue.

The following has been re-opened by moderator, let's please have a healthy and intelligent discussion, based on proven facts and current practices.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1397059

It is important to all swiftlet house owners especially in Georgetown as right now the state govt. is working on the idea of following Sabah, that is to ban all swiftlet houses in Georgetown.

Let us not criticise each other but to discus all the pros and cons of having swiftlet houses in Georgetown and other urban areas.

Be reminded that we urgently need a win win situation for everyone, residents, swiftlet house owners and everyone in urban areas.

If we come to a solution, I'm sure local council will approve.

This thread will be subject specific so please do not discus anything else but the subject, nothing irrelevant or it might confuse matters.

Thank You.

Tuckfook.

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Added on April 21, 2010, 6:29 pm[quote=Jo Yeo,Apr 21 2010, 01:01 PM]
Nothing new. Placing Polystrene boards both inside and outside of the BH and plaster
over them nicely. The effect achieved inside a stylofoam box is the rationale.

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Added on April 21, 2010, 1:13 pm

Please don't do that, it'll trap the moisture and keep everything wet to touch. Wood will rot.

Plan on allowing an equilibrium of moisture between inner and outer walls with proper ventilation to keep the humidity just right.

Trapped heat is even worse !

Think equilibrium with proper thickness and right materials like type of bricks and plaster.



This post has been edited by tuckfook: Apr 21 2010, 06:29 PM

Open roof hole for future 1gp compliance issue.

Strictly needed even for Agri. Land farming ?
Please wish you explain a bit. Thanks.

Are you sure and I was told that it is used extensively in Singapore? If so, then, they must have solve all problems associating to the materials....Blind me!!! or I misquoted someone? What about silica bricks, any idea?

In Singapore, major green buildings apply these materials on top of roofs and on walls of rooms
that generate heat.

Of course, application of these materials must go hand in hand with proper ventilation holes for
proper balance.

About the specifications, the R properties of these materials can not be doubted.

It was mentioned at the Seremban workshop and whether if there are any changes after that, I really don't know.

But Jo Yeo, you have no problem as yours is infact a open roof type compliance with the requirement. You just need to remove some part of the top concrete roof at your entrance hole and you have a open roof type.

Just look at what I scribbled on your piece of paper and the entrance hole look different, right? Anyway, yours is OK and if you are wanting to make it 1GP compliance, allow the first few part of the roofs be removable and that way, you can adjust the airwell opening to compensate for any shortcomings. Remember that there should be a drainage at the lower floor for rain water to flow out of your BH.

Your assuring messages always make the day brighter.

Is pretty straight forward....you have more options when you need it.

I'm currently using side entrance but I have open roof entrance ready in case of contingency.
My open roof entrance can be in operational mode within 10 min just by sliding open the entrance cover.

since yr width is 30' X 10' , instead the staircase along with the wall length, my suggestion is to partition another wall into two section, section a = 20' x 10' and section b = 10' x 10'.

so left section a as void, and section b be z-type staircase.

additional cost only a panel wall.

[quote=Jo Yeo,Apr 18 2010, 09:03 PM]
WW & Fellow Enthusiasts,

I seek your earnest comments on the DK design.

Why his design is good for agriculture land is that if you look at the drop from the entrance, it is almost impossible for any thief to attend to enter from the entrance hole unlike most of the formal design.
So, you have secure the roof top entrance which most thieves like to enter BH as most of BHs @ Agri secure their doors so well with alarms and multi-metal doors with locks bigger than my fists .....better the prison cell.
Any comment appreciated

Politicians in Malaysia should Act Smart inside n outside.

But, unfortunately, they wear smart, act smart, look smart but still their brain just too slowed n dumb.

there are many ways to make money, if u are smart enough, u will look for other ways to earn money and still can win voters heart and continue to service them for rest of ur life.

but they are those so stupid that they listen to some buz man proposal to earn fast cash and they just follow without thinking....then they are stupid n dumb.

end of the story.




the above comments had nothing to do with the below newsclip.


大臣：燕窩需求量日增
登農業地准改養燕

本報特派：黃慧芬

（佛山20日訊）登嘉樓州務大臣拿督阿末賽益指出，隨著燕窩需求量日增，州政府將根據業者需求，批准農業地改為養燕工業地用途。

他說 ，目前外界對登州生產的燕窩需求量達每月2000公斤，供不應求。

“由于環境衛生，登州生產的燕窩品質比其他州有過之而無不及。”

阿末賽益昨晚率領登廣直飛商貿團成員，在佛山佳寧娜酒店出席“佛山市、登嘉樓州友好之夜”活動后這么說。

阿末賽益披露，目前已有一家私人公司獲州政府批准，將一片坐落甘馬挽的農業地段重新划為養燕工業地。

他指出，州政府將指示市區內的養燕業者，在限定期限內遷離市區，確保該領域發展未影響人民日常作息。

他說，登州養燕業者亦將在該行業投入5000萬令吉，惟州內有待開發更多養燕區。

物色理想地段

他呼吁業者尋覓更適合的養燕地段，並指示登州行政議員杜振耀協助物色更多理想的養燕工業地段。

他較早致詞時說，除了促進馬中情誼，登廣直飛團也有助加強登廣雙邊關係。

登州政府也在大臣及佛山市副市長鄧偉根見證下，與南非駐佛山市綜南進出口貿易有限公司簽署商貿意向書，探討雙方在燕窩工業領域的合作空間。

謝偉也是南非粵港澳總商會會長，他代表上述公司與登州政府秘書拿督馬茲南雅簽署合作意向書。

出席者有登州行政議員杜振耀、馬來西亞駐廣州總領事館領事長法蘭西哥姆尼士，及登廣直飛商貿團籌委會主席劉保章等。

首個對外貿易生產基地
佛山有85項外資

佛山市副市長鄧偉根指出，登嘉樓州政府與工商代表團到訪，將增進雙方了解和推動合作，加深馬中友誼。

他說，作為中國首個對外貿易出口商品生產基地，佛山目前已形成全方位、多層次和寬領域的對外開放格局。

他披露，全佛山市去年利用10億1300萬美元，實際利用外資18億7400萬美元，引進36個投資上千萬美元的投資者。

鄧偉根指出，目前有48家世界 500強企業，在佛山投資多達85個項目。

他指出，國際經融危機爆發，造成佛山經濟發展遇到前所未有困難與挑戰。

“認真分析經濟形勢及深入研究企業發展概況，科學謀划應對之策，在逆勢中率先突圍。

他說，佛山市在2009年完成地區生產總值4814億5000萬人民幣，增長率達13.5%。

佛山市產業發展鮮明
工業經濟佔主導地位

佛山市位于中國廣東省中南部，地處珠江三角洲腹地，總面積為3848平方公里，人口近600萬人。

佛山現轄有禪城、南海、順德、高明和三水5個區，是一座具有1300多年歷史的文化名城，明清時代為中國“四大名鎮”。

文化底蘊深厚的佛山市，是岭南文化發源地之一，被稱為“南國陶都”，也是“南國紅豆”粵劇發源地，素有陶藝、武術、獅藝和粵菜之鄉等美譽。

佛山市產業發展特點鮮明，工業經濟佔主導地位，目前已形成家用電器、機械裝備、金屬材料加工與制品、陶瓷及其他建材等十大優勢行業。

被確立為國家級新型工業化產業示範基地的佛山市，由光照明、光電顯示、光伏產業等逐步形成規模產業鏈。

陳友信：馬中商貿合作
須跨越語言障礙

馬來西亞中國經濟貿易總商會副會長陳友信指出，馬中兩國商貿合作關係，必須跨越語言障礙。

他說，該會宗旨為馬中經貿關係，由傳統華商進化至不分種族，並且不詣華語的非華裔商家。

他說，馬建交超過36年，雙邊關係日益密不可分，中國已成為我國其中一個最大的貿易伙伴。
他指出，登廣直飛商貿團是歷來最大，來自東海岸前往中國的商貿團，此舉有助帶動兩國貿易合作。




# the trend now is very very funny.

the govt or buz man know very well that the locals cannot afford to buy expensive Eco Park farms as most of them who involve in this buz are all tight up with loans n abandoned shoplots.

so, they went to CHINA to ask chinese to come to malaysia to invest in Swiftlet Farms.

and if u are smart enough........u know what i mean.


ok. take for example. the govt said that they now want to share the country resources of crude oil by asking China to come to buy up oil fields in malaysia !....


So, same scenario. govt ask all malaysians to close all swiftlet farms in town and let the china peoples to own the farms, harvest n then ship back to china to process then sell in china.




THIS IS BLOODY BRILLIANT IDEA !!!.



Now. Today news is even more EXCITING !!!


now, new act required farmers to sell to ONLY A FEW LICENCED traders.


SO, IN NOT SO FAR FUTURE.........NESTS PRICE WILL DROP UNTIL RM2K BELOW.

HOW THEY CAN DO THAT??

EASY!!!!


GRADE THEM TO MANY LEVEL. THEY WILL STILL ABLE TO GIVES U RM5K A KILO PROVIDED THAT UR NEST ARE IN TOP NOTCH QUALITY WHERE IT IS FREE FROM FEATHERS, NO HOLES, NO TINY DOTS.

NEXT GRADE, RM4K, WITH NO FEATHERS, NO HOLES BUT ALLOWED A FEW TINY BLACK DOTS.

NEXT GRADE, RM3K, WITH NO FEATHER BUT ALLOWED 1 OR TWO TINY NEEDLE HOLES N NO MORE THAN 5 BLACK DOTS.

NEXT GRADE, RM2K, WITH SOME FEATHERS ALLOWED ( U MUST BE THANKFUL TO THEM TO LET U SELL THE NEST!!!)

NEXT GRADE, U EAT UR SELF LOH!!!!!!



WAH, FUN LAH!!!! 1MALAYSIA !!!

CK,
thks for the alert.
Some more EBN news and the now 'missing frm Parliament site' bill to amend the Road Transport Act.

1)177 person Terengganu trade delegation to China to sell among other things, EBN. Maybe Eco parks too and also to firm up their EBN export monopoly??
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/art.../24tra/Article/

2)There was also another attempt at monopoly in the already yanked (removed frm Parliament site) Road Transport Act Amendment
New section 13a
8. The principal Act is amended by inserting after section 13 the following section:
“Registration number plate
13a. (1) The Director General shall, on application, assign a registration number plate to a motor vehicle registered under this Act.
(2) No person shall—
(a) manufacture or produce a registration number plate unless authorized by the Director General to do so;
(b) distribute or sell a registration number plate to another person; or
© affix a registration number plate on a registered
motor vehicle other than the registration number plate assigned by the Director General under subsection (1).
Road Transport (Amendment) 5
(3) A Any person who contravenes subsection (2) shall be guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine of not less than twenty thousand ringgit and not more than fifty thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term of not less than one year and not more than three years or to both.”.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jmmwtykzwby/DR 15 2010 - Eng.pdf

WW, If you read Chinese, better call YB Toh Chin Yaw immediately to clarify this statement.

All's quiet here
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry33305997
and on their blog. Am still awaiting publication of my 2 comments over 2 days.

Sabah ban town BH....follow by Terengganu (potentially going to ).....With these 2 key indicators, new town BH investors better think twice before jumping in.

[quote=West Wing,Apr 22 2010, 08:09 AM]
[quote=Jo Yeo,Apr 18 2010, 09:03 PM]
WW & Fellow Enthusiasts,

I seek your earnest comments on the DK design.

Why his design is good for agriculture land is that if you look at the drop from the entrance, it is almost impossible for any thief to attend to enter from the entrance hole unlike most of the formal design.
So, you have secure the roof top entrance which most thieves like to enter BH as most of BHs @ Agri secure their doors so well with alarms and multi-metal doors with locks bigger than my fists .....better the prison cell.
Any comment appreciated

[/quote]

If someone wants dearly to enter into any BH it will be relatively easy. There is no unbreakable BH. Locks, doors, walls etc are all easy to overcome. Show me a design and I'll show you a way of breaking through.

Thieves like to go through from the top because it is the easiest. If they can get up, they can get in and down no problems.

If the BH is built as above with a 10ft. shaft, I doubt if anyone will want to break into it for at least 5 years if not more. It is simply not conducive to the birds, no in an agri. area anyway.

Since you have the advantage of planning for the building/structure why not go maximum size on the roving area. It is well proven that the bigger the roving area is the faster the birds start visiting the lower floors and hopefully stay. Why minimise your chances? Save money on the roving room and end up being part of the 70% statistic!

Styrofoam of 3" or more is used to insulate the roof so that the topmost slab, which is the ceiling of the nesting room, will not heat up. Direct sunlight all day is liable to heat the concrete to 120 deg. C. or more.

The roving room roof slab should not be insulated to promote a gradual change of tempt. between the inside and outside as well as create convection sucking humid air up from floors below. Sucks up the smell as well so the birds visiting are greeted with the smell of an occupied BH.

Side walls are best not insulated with styrofoam as it also prevents moisture from permeating the walls. Moisture permeating the walls actually cools the walls down when it dries up on the outside. The thickness of the wall controls the rate of cooling or heating up. low tempt. fired clay bricks are good for this purpose. The plaster also plays a part, it must be plaster consisting of portland cement and lime(30%) which makes it more porous to moisture.

It you want to prevent heat from going in and the cool air from going out, as in an air conditioned room or freezer etc. then by all means styrofoam all around.

You'll find successful designs in Dr. Chris' forum.