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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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cll666
post Apr 27 2009, 02:56 PM

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Hello to all sifu

I would like to direct my query to Sifu West Wing .

I had seen a number of designs of ventilation holes and been told the reason for ventilation holes was for heat ventilation.

One of the famous blogger in his blog suggested to close all these holes but left one or two open. Can you please share your experience here and please explain the reason.




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cll666
post Apr 27 2009, 09:42 PM

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Thank you West Wing. You impressed all of us.

I have just converted a shoplot to a BH. The BH temperature is range from 27.5 to 28.0 all day. Humiditiy is 80%, with all the ventilation holes left open. The BH situated in the town, not windy. I am wondering if I need to let's say close 50% (or 80%) of the VH? I do not on any humidifier.

Glad to see Mr Ben Chai here.

Another query to seek West Wing help. How to keep Aroma last longer in the BH? Is it advisable to keep aroma in bucket and place at the corners?

And also, learn from other ranchers that till Jun is the mating season and therefore there is low increment of bird population for new BH. correct?

Thank you.
cll666
post Apr 29 2009, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(kuching_farmer @ Apr 28 2009, 11:34 AM)
i think u probaly need Ben for aroma advise because ben is doing his own aroma.i got a 2 bottle of plank aroma totaly FOC from him.the smell,even u smell u wanna smell again not the birds
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Mr Ben, can you please share us your experience handling aroma in BH?

Thank you.
cll666
post Jul 17 2009, 11:19 AM

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Hi All

At last Sifu West Wing come back to the SSS issue. Alll newbies like me appreciate your kindness to restart the discussion.

I have been searching and reading all necessary materials related to Swiftlet farming except attending seminars. I have tried both N**T aroma and LP and believe me that both have no effects. Only birdshits are necessary in a new BH.

Last post I have asked you related to the ventilation holes and by following what you advice, yes, there is good sign. Very very good sign. I appreciate your kindness and also to Harry who has highlighted this part in his blog.

Location is important as it decides how long you could get back your investment. Design is important and you must understand the flying path of Swiftlets. I finally understand what you mean by " to think like a swiftlet".

It is not good to discredit other blogger but, it is your kindness of Mr Benchai to save our hardearn money spend on misleading products. I have tried them, and prove that Ben chai is right.


Added on July 17, 2009, 11:20 amHi All

At last Sifu West Wing come back to the SSS issue. Alll newbies like me appreciate your kindness to restart the discussion.

I have been searching and reading all necessary materials related to Swiftlet farming except attending seminars. I have tried both N**T aroma and LP and believe me that both have no effects. Only birdshits are necessary in a new BH.

Last post I have asked you related to the ventilation holes and by following what you advice, yes, there is good sign. Very very good sign. I appreciate your kindness and also to Harry who has highlighted this part in his blog.

Location is important as it decides how long you could get back your investment. Design is important and you must understand the flying path of Swiftlets. I finally understand what you mean by " to think like a swiftlet".

It is not good to discredit other blogger but, it is your kindness of Mr Benchai to save our hardearn money spend on misleading products. I have tried them, and proved that Ben chai is right.













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cll666
post Jul 23 2009, 02:03 PM

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Yes, I agree with West Wind.

Swiftlet Farming is only 123 if you understand the theory behind it. There is actually no secret in this industry. Why waste time attending seminar if you don't know the basic knowledge. Sorry I am not referring to Pak Hen's seminar as I do appreciate his effort after reading his blog.

Learning making Aroma, Amonia etc is only an added advantage to your BH. They play as an advertisement tool to promote your BH to birds. However if your BH basic requirement is not there, ie not suitable for birds to stay, and why not you think like a bird, will you stay if you are a bird?

Don't believe in those nosense that good sounds and good aroma helps you to increase your BH population. They are working (they do attract more birds to come) unless your BH's condition is suitable for bids to stay.

cll666
post Jul 23 2009, 08:11 PM

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No no no, I meant good aroma or sound do work if your BH is suitable for birds to stay. They do attracting birds to come. For newbie, just make sure your BH design is correct before jumping to aroma and sound.

Believe me there is no secret in this industry once you find out the secret. It is only 123. This is from my experience also. Of course I also paid a lot of school fee.

Forget about NT seminar. Useless. Mainly promoting his products. Don't waste $$.

I am sharing the same opinion with a successful farmer who owns more than 12 BH in Malaysia. Most of his BH collecting more than 16kgs -32kgs every mth. So what do you think?

Better spend time watching from CCTV in your BH for birds' reaction. You will learn more than talking to any consultant. No one will share you the secret. Going to school? Any successful BH owing by the Teacher?

My 2 cent opinion and just wish to save newbies' hardearn money as I was one of them.






Any secret? I don't think so. Advance method? Up to you to decide.





cll666
post Jul 24 2009, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(calvinswiftlet @ Jul 24 2009, 08:10 PM)
hi cll666..r u swiftjames ?
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No, why should I? shocking.gif

I "look" like him?
cll666
post Jul 24 2009, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jul 24 2009, 10:14 PM)
shocking.gif
maybe calvin think u sounds liked him.. shocking.gif
smile.gif  Funny world of swiftlet farming...
sometimes, very funny that if u want to promote ur book, just say so lah..no need to change name n pretend to be another person !!...Dr also do it..funny lah...think other ppls cannot differentiate meh...

ai ya...u frankly promote it..no one will complain...

don't worry, if anyone complain due to anyone promote their services here, Lucas1 will shut their mouth for u!!... thumbup.gif
no need Hairy becomes HomeHome2020..

no need ebook author becomes autogate...

no need Dr becomes...i forgot the forum name liao....
btw, i not say u ohh....cl666...
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Don't worry Chank, I am not James. Don't be afraid of me.

Not everyone who against seminar is your enemy. Don't worry. drool.gif




cll666
post Oct 27 2009, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Oct 27 2009, 03:51 PM)
Haha... dear rexis, let me share some info about this 'swiftlet factory' concept. I secara tidak sengaja met an acquaintance of the swiftlet factory guy. I somehow showed displeasure at the concept since to me, it would be forcing a wild animal to acquire habits such as eating from machines etc2... the friend was a bit uneasy but rather than defending his friend, explained it for me to understand (since he too was not in preference of the technology).

The mentioned technology was imported from Indonesia, the biggest producer of birds nest. However... the technology is still in its infancy and not yet 100% developed nor has it been proven fool proof. We must remember... in Indonesia this industry has its specialist... PHD's and master's thesis in this field is not uncommon. They do serious research. It was the same for usage of 'foster' parents or seriti. They not only did trial and error, but did scientific data based research before applying it to the industry. The 'swiftlet factory' on the other hand is still in its trial phase. Like drugs or even new strains of paddy or chili or anything... it needs to pass a few clinical trial or pilots, not only in controlled environments during research but out in the field as well. All i can say is, that particular technology has not been fully developed nor has it been proven as of yet. Promoting a not yet proven technology is just typical... its the Malaysian way i guess. Other countries scientists & innovators take 10-15 years before coming out public with a new technology, we do it every other month!  The victims? Uninformed investors.
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Hi

I haven't read this article before. but this is my opinon.

What's the reaction of swiftlet been caught? so far from my pass experience , if wild birds being caught ,90% of them will commit suicide, refuse to eat. If you feed those infant, will they still produce saliva? It is a question mark. hmm.gif



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