hehehe... CWG's alive and kicking!!! Agreed, this forum has helped me a lot personally up to the extent of building one stand alone myself (well, at least the basics/general idea... from there, improvise). No SOP, no ABSOLUTE method and by now i believe every forumer agrees on this. What is valuable in the threads are the shared information, networking, verification/authentication of so and so and in the end its up to the individual to filter the ones that can be applied.


aiya, still got talk about breeding swiftlets ka? well, if it were that advanced, why not just domesticate them just like how gallus gallus was turned into the white chicken that eats and eats slaughtered and eaten. to me thats still crazy talk at this stage. theres no way an animal with such natural behavior be bred and expected to domestically enter a BH.

When asked, are we expected to provide straight forward answers? Did anybody get paid for doing so?

West Wing & others have been giving a lot of tips.

If newbies are not willing to put in the effort to dig for info from the begining, then it is most UNFAIR to say that sifus here are not very helpful.

Bear in mind that the sifus also got other work to do.

Still alive but can't keep my mouth shut even typing these may take a hour or two, it's worth for my Love for swiftlets.

Aroma or perfume or by any name for that matter, use with caution.

Read what I have posted all all my experiences with them............some are Ok but others are not and some even drive away your birds so be very careful when using them.
Once, someone asked me to buy a bottle of it from HK and it must be good cos he ordered another 5 more and each cost over RM200 but this time, he came complaining that they are not the same. The smell and results totally difference but at least, they didn't drive away his birds. He asked if he could get refund for all the unused bottles............Politely answered "No" cos I just help him to buy and I gain nothing but confidentially, HK gave me Rm25 commission for each bottle sold.

I did some testing with aroma and surprisingly, I was very successful with the first try as hundreds of birds entered the new BH during the day of application and I even name it ...just checked formal posting,

I forget the formula and new try failed. So, be careful with new aroma cos you may just end up worst than before. Try out at some area first

Above, are my humble views on the matter and I must rest now

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 15 2009, 08:15 AM

Bad new for Melaka Swiftlet Farming!!!
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Majlis Perbadaran Melaka has issued letters to a lot of swiftlet farmers even their BH is not in the Historical Place. Those received the letters include Melaka Bird Nest Association Vice President, Treasurer and those existing BH with licence. The authority want them to revert the Shop lot to their initial condition within 30 days. Failure to do so can face maximum RM50K fine + 3 years jail.



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[SIZE=7]非古蹟區禁養燕？
業者接信促還原建築物

曾永安展示多年前部長鼓勵養燕業的剪報，促請政府當局勿朝令夕改。
（馬六甲14日訊）非古蹟區養燕業者近日陸續接獲市政廳發出，需在30天內“還原”辦公室或店屋的通知，接獲通知的業者也包括擁有合法養燕執照者，市政廳突如其來的行動，令業者大感不公平。
據悉，大約三四十名業者接獲市政廳及野新市議會的通知，不能在辦公室或店屋養燕，並限期在收到通知信的30天內執行。

其中一名接獲通知信的業者為馬六甲燕窩商公會財政汪枝民，其位于巴當德目中小型工業區的兩間燕屋，雖然在兩年前已獲得養燕的執照，而且執照迄今仍有效，他不明白為何仍接獲不能養燕的通知。

“我在兩年前已獲得消拯局、環境局、衛生局及市政廳城市規劃局的批准，取得合法的執照，但必須每3個月更新執照。我的執照是在9月30日到期，我在10日前往更新時被拒，官員所給的理由是，市政廳從9月開始，不再發出執照給養燕業者。”

朝令夕改難適從

隨后，他在12日接獲市政廳建築物管制局送來的通知信，指其燕屋是濫用建築物，抵觸1974年道路、溝渠及建築物法令第70（12）條文，必須在30天內還原，否則一旦被控上法庭，可罰款不超過5萬令吉，或坐牢不超過3年，或兩者兼施。

同時，市政廳還可收取每天1000令吉的罰款。

他說，其當初在獲得執照后，放心投資五六萬令吉，如今要他“還原”，猶如要他的投資付諸東流。

此外，該公會副會長劉倧良位于默迪卡花園的燕屋，也接獲同樣的通知信。

對此，該公會會長曾永安指出，他已將有關事件向總會反映，由總會處理。

“我們希望當局不要朝令夕改，讓業者無法適從，我們歡迎當局發出指南讓業者遵守。”

另一方面，市長尤索夫受詢時，僅表明不知情，叫記者在明天的記者會上才提問。

if they really to help,they will ask detail from your BH like BH design and so on.
i know alot of people unhappy with my post,so billion sorry in advance...........and forgive me about my mistake.

Bird8888

Dear Bird8888

You are sadly wrong and it is not for us to ask and it is for you to provide all details of case history. If you go to a forum and ask the doctor that you are having a fever, the doctor will tell to take a Panadol and rest.The same goes for this forum and if you ask simple question, we either will tell you to go thru V1 cos alot of infos are provided there or tell you to read a book about Swiftlets before asking. You are seeking help here and not the other way unless you pay us, we are willing to go to your place to see the situation and ask you alot of questions and spend time with you to solve your problem but then you are not paying and we are offering our services for free.
Please do understand these that we are not making profit from you but try to help another fellow rancher to be successful by providing all we know thru our experience.
If you really want someone to guild you from A to Z, then prepare to pay and many here can be your personal consultant and will be willing to serve you if you pay well enough for our time and effort.
Even when you seek God's help, you need to pray for help and even as you well know that God know everything and why didn't He help you without you seeking His Help.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 15 2009, 07:35 PM

Hi All,

Someone send me the following photos to analyse .... very interesting !



Did you notice the different of the 2 photos? It is a copy & paste work ! Who copy who??? or same guy work?

Pay attention of the extra potion of the 2 photos, now ask yourself "Who own the original photo?" .. very interesting !

This post has been edited by tan2020: Sep 15 2009, 10:11 PM

walau a.....
whats this....
i really scare now
the good consultant is ourself...not other ppl

Interesting. Now I start wondering how can the bird cling at the middle of the ceiling? Is the "Original" photo also not very "Original".

Justin,

Notice the same too.

Not to take it too seriously lah when newbies reading blogs. Just treat tok kok like wind blowing, come and gone. This industry is like a slaughter house, 50 cents stuff can cost $500 if you are not careful. Do read and equipment yourself with at least some general knowledge, good enough to differentiate between facts and hearsay. For your own good. Else you will come back here as start asking why I kena slaughter, blah blah. Info is FOC and what more to complaint?

Another bad news for Melaka Swiftlet Farming. Maybe it will extend to other states too.

公會：“5修改”要求續養燕‧古蹟區燕屋不播音
馬六甲 2009-09-14 11:10

古蹟區一些燕屋的外貌令人不敢恭維。（圖：星洲日報）

（馬六甲）甲燕窩商公會週日（9月13日）召集會員開會，針對古蹟區燕屋需被還原的限令，達致一項共識，即同意對燕屋進行5項修改，以作為向當局要求在古蹟區繼續養燕業的替代方案。
4業主出席會議
週日共有4名業主出席週日約50人的會議。該會主席曾永安在會後受詢時表示，由於一人擁有數間燕屋，相信以上4人代表了古蹟區內的半數燕屋。該會將繼續聯絡其他未出席週日會議的燕屋主人。
他說，根據市政廳的資料顯示，古蹟區內共有43間燕屋。
他透露，官員說他們不會殺生，官員將採取的手法是讓燕屋打開門窗，拆除播音器材、開亮燈光。
須先保住市區燕屋
曾永安在會上發言時強調，古蹟區的燕屋對整個甲州的養燕業非常重要，是燕子的重要源頭。如果市區的燕屋被消除，他保證其他地區的燕屋也不可能獨存。
所以，他認為一定要先保住市區的燕屋。他希望所有同業同舟共濟，共渡難關，不要再製造更多問題，尤其是聲音的問題。
“政府接獲的所有投訴之中，有99%與聲音有關。其實，聲音可能有助競爭，但沒有聲音也不會太大損失，尤其是如果大家都不開聲音的話，更加不是問題。以前燕子進屋，都不需要這些聲音。”
業主應合作集體行動
他希望燕屋業主不要自欺欺人，以為不出席會議或不加以理睬，政府就不知道燕屋的存在。
“其實政府早就查得很清楚，大家最好快點出來和公會合作，以集體合作的方式，向當局提呈集體行動的保證，才有可能共渡難關。”
他認為，馬六甲古蹟區的燕屋如果淪陷，不只是甲州全體燕屋的災難，也是全國燕屋的一個大缺口，全國燕屋將會逐州出現問題。



甲市與野新限月內拆設施‧古蹟區燕屋年底消失
馬六甲 頭條新聞 2009-09-14 11:05

馬六甲成為世界文化遺產一年之後，古蹟區燕屋的問題再次浮上台面。（圖：星洲日報）
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（馬六甲）甲州政府雷厲發信，市政廳建築物控制小組以濫用建築物為由，限甲市區與野新縣業主9月內拆除燕屋設施。與此同時也發信給古蹟區內的燕屋屋主，限於今年12月31日之前取消燕屋。
甲州政府也已經停止更新養燕執照。
甲燕窩商公會週日（9月13日）早上召集會員開會，約50人出席會議。主席曾永安在會後受詢時透露，市政廳於半年前曾致函古蹟區業主，需於今年底之前把燕屋還原。
會員無法更新養燕執照
兩週前，他們再次收到市政廳的來信，除了提醒上述限令之外，也通知將於9月30日之後開始檢查行動。
他透露，很多會員也在9月開始，無法更新每3個月一次的養燕執照。
他指出，甲州目前共有大約120張養燕執照，其中約90張在市區。
古蹟區共43間燕屋
根據市政廳的資料顯示，古蹟區內共有43間燕屋，其中只有18間呈上建築圖測。
曾永安表示，這18間燕屋所呈上的圖測，於2006年呈上至今沒有獲得批准。出現燕屋的古蹟區街道包括荷蘭街、雞場街、板底街、吉靈街及河邊街一帶。
曾永安說，該會其實期望政府來管理養燕行業，該會只能提供服務，帶領會員儘量配合做到政府的要求，共同解決問題。
養燕業每年帶來10億外匯
他強調，養燕業給大馬帶來每年10億的收入，對國家經濟極有幫助，他希望政府認真看待該行業的貢獻，並制定恰當的政策。
週日出席會議者包括該會3名副主席宋耀強、李偉光和劉倧良，財政汪枝民和秘書姚智輝。
星洲日報／古城‧2009.09.13

Stop playing the bird's chirp sound is a good way out to settle the dispute. No more sound means reduce in great extent, provocation towards anti swiftlet farming group to file complaint. Discourage new comers building new BHs in town area due to no sound rule will help preserving the existing town BHs.

for me both r copy n paste, just the swiftletfarmer more smart, just paste a few only.

not trust any aroma (Love portion)

used original "aroma" bird dropping is the best.

We totally agreed with ur suggestion to ban sound in the town. Let me tell you that swiftlet industry is having hard time because of few blacksheep farmers who dont care. Let me tell you our few farmers have short memory after the raids by forestry in March in well known Sarikei bh sanctury r again blasting the sound like nobody business here esp new bh near SRB Methodist school, near wharf or polis station, near popular supermarket, opposite sugarbun & others. They have nothing to lose as either kosong inside or half dead as they r happy to c raids again soon. We r told Council & govt depts esp forestry r receiving lot of complaints again recently. When they r going to take action again is matter of time.

We encourage farmers to go standlone in agriculture land but you wil be most surprise in Sibu, along Wong King Hou road, near Mega shopping mall, a new huge 3 storey bh in the middle of the town. We r shock when we visited sibu that somebody dare to build bh in the townland. Very sure that the council/govt wil take actions, u mark my words. Many new investors r so eager to invest that they r wilingl to gamble after c so much opportunity. They r some sifu or bloggers esp fr w. msia conducting seminars making profit themselves but on the pretend of helping industry here saying bh r allowed in the town. They hope to be engaged as CON ...sultant with big fees to con new farmers here. BH wil never be allowed in the shophouses or in townland in Swak.Believe me that we have unique land code & wild life laws here as they may take similar actions like in MALACCA.

We support our friends esp fr MALACCA not to give in without fright. Show them we r another Kpg Bala. We r worry that we may face similar action by govt soon.

Sorry, is Melaka under BN or PK? so, sometime, when ask for a C in Govt, maybe out of the pot into the fire.

If PAS take over, our ladies may be force to wear tudung and cloth to cover
their faces like the Taliban.We, men are more lucky, maybe marry 4 wives legally lay, hahahaha.

Sorry about the politic matter and apologizes to all offended cos blurred blurred and still in Hospital for 21 days. Selamat Hari Raya to all our Muslim Brothers.

hmm...

melaka,melaka.

During Hari Raya, liked chinese, they gives out Green Angpow.


i just want to tell u that when raya time they gives out green angpow.


Swiftlet Farming Industry will always liked that.

30 yrs..

50 yrs..

100 yrs..

300 yrs...

nothing can change it, not even malaysians...

Whether change govt or new govt, those who work in the depts are the same old gang, they still run the show.

it is already a tradition to them that what they do is a Common Practice!.

..

Landed in XXX yesterday... noticed there was a stand alone BH just... erm.. maybe 150-200 meters away from the runway. Hmm... next Majlis to after the Sepang majlis... is XXXX??? To me, i'd say bodohnya BH owner... why build in such a provocative area (yes, i did say it isn't possible for swiftlets to be caught in the airplane engines... but why la give an opportunity for them to take action?)

Aiya Bro West Wing, one wife also so hard... 4 wifes??? if like that i'd stay and live inside BH la. hahahaha! what medical condition are you in by the way?

my own BH sambung after raya. they are making a stockpile of light weight bricks. got around 1k, need around 4.5k blocks.

I can't understand the news clip...

Another bad new about Malacca Swiftlet Farming. They want to get rid of all the BH in center Melaka but allow some area near the sea. Hmmm...look like BIG Green Ang Bow is needed.

http://mykampung.sinchew.com.my/node/76862?tid=8


市長：不再延長保留‧古蹟區燕屋年底需清空
[SIZE=7]馬六甲 頭條新聞 2009-09-16 10:20

古蹟區燕屋這次難逃法網？（圖：星洲日報）

（馬六甲）燕子紛飛！甲市長尤索夫占丹週二（9月15日）說，古蹟區內的燕屋肯定要在今年12月31日之前被清空。9月30日之前，古蹟區內和其他地區的燕屋都會陸續受到檢查，其他地區的燕屋如果符合要求，將可允許繼續經營。
10和11月檢查各地燕屋
市長週二召開新聞發佈會澄清，市政廳之前發給燕屋主的信，是要求燕屋主於9月30日之後允許市政廳、野生動物保護局、獸醫局等組成的執法隊伍進屋裡檢查。
“9月30日之後的10月和11月，我們會採取行動，進入甲州各地方的燕屋進行檢查。”
不過，他強調，古蹟區的燕屋是肯定不會再被延遲保留。
明年對古蹟區燕屋發傳票
“其實甲州行政議會已經在去年底作出這項決定。明年1月開始，市政廳將會對古蹟區內的燕屋發出傳票，每次罰款是250令吉。”
如果燕屋主仍然不予理會，市政廳將採取行動將事主提控上法庭。
建議集中養燕地點
他指出，古蹟區內共有24間燕屋，其中2間已經被還原，其他22間有待解決。
這24間燕屋出現在荷蘭街、雞場街、東圭納路、甘榜烏汝、河邊街和祈安律。
“如果在檢查時，有關燕屋被發現有喇叭但沒有燕子，沒有問題。
如果發現沒有喇叭但有燕子，就有問題。”
政府建議集中養燕的地點，是在填海區、烏絨巴西、野新的萬里茂海邊。
另一個受到考慮的地點是瓜拉雙溪峇汝。
燕窩商公會數十會員
指接信限期還原燕屋
甲燕窩商公會週一（9月14日）召開新聞發佈會，聲稱該會數十名會員接獲市政廳建築管制小組誌期9月7日的通知信，指他們濫用建築，限令他們在30天內將燕屋還原為店屋。
與此同時，這些會員也面對養燕執照不獲市政廳更新的問題。
面對上述問題的，除了甲市區的會員之外，野新縣的會員也接獲同樣的信件，及不獲更新執照。
星洲日報／古城‧2009.09.15

The news clip was talking about the Melaka's Mayor is giving dateline to 24 BH onwers located in heritage area to vacate the BH by 3oth September 2009. The Mayor said only those in the heritage area are effected. The same happened to BHs located in Penang heritage area too. Thus, both BN or PR have same policy in respect of preserving heritage buildings.

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 17 2009, 10:14 AM

This is not a bad news for Melaka.

this is a bad news for the whole malaysia farmhouse. Change the mindset!!

If this is allow, it will spread to all states, remember that,

WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH NORMAL HUMAN BEING HERE,

THEY ARE AS SMART AS WHAT THEY WEARING EVERYDAY!.

THEY ONLY KNOW TO COPYCATS!

THEY CAN'T THINK USING THEIR HEAD!

THEY NEVER USED IT.

so, unless the head of all swiftlet farming industry,which they always stress without anyone agreed, which, is the kedah swiftlet farm association, named, Malaysia bird's nest association, start to form a team to tackle this issue. it will be doom for all.

Did u see the scenario here?

5 yrs ago, they said residential not allowed, only shoplot n agriculture land allowed.

then few yrs later,they said residential n shoplot not allowed n only industrial n agricultural n eco park allowed.

n now,they said residential n shoplot n industrial not allowed (even though govt lead by our PM had reaffirmed that shoplot is allowed, but the dept heads,some, are pushing ahead as they need to do faster then the govt with their hidden agenda), n agricultural n eco park is allowed.

n in future, not far, agricultural is not allowed, n only eco park is allowed.

thts my prediction.

believed it or not??

you suka.


Start to make noise, bros....to protect ur own rice bowl!..

dt let ppls to shit in your face n u still keep ur smile!!..

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Added on September 17, 2009, 10:19 amTHEIR TACTICS...

SIKIT SIKIT KASI BOCOR...

LEPAS ITU...HENTAM SEMUA..

U THINK THEY ONLY AIM AT HERITAGE?? THINK TWICE.

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Added on September 17, 2009, 10:21 amsee too much how they operate...

dt think thts the end of it............

This post has been edited by ChanK: Sep 17 2009, 10:21 AM

Dear CWG,

I'm your blog reader. you said in your blog that don't play external sound inside the BH. May I know the reason ?
I placed external sound in my 3 storey swiftlet bungalow at LAL and both end of the building for bird pulling effect. No ?