http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...317&sec=central

It is only the migratory birds and those big predatory birds like eagle and hawks found hanging around runways that pose risks to the planes. With predatory birds around, no swiftlet could be near. Moreover, swiftlet is too tiny to pose risk to plane. This is another evidence of Malaysia Boleh that we don't adopt MERITOCRACY to appoint the right professional to the position. They always get unqualified person to handle a situation and let the whole world to laugh at us. Malaysia has created the most international JOKES lately. Perhaps, this is only what our Govt is capable and best in. Can we feel proud of this?

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Added on September 4, 2009, 3:33 pmExperience and expertise come with practice. All of us here had gone through the process of learning to learn that. There is no short cut. Seek the advice, spend more time to observe the birds at a successful BH nearest to you. In no time, you are the expert too. But make sure you are observing the winged birds and not the two legged birds.


This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Sep 4 2009, 03:33 PM

Now that is an easy question. Those 2 legged bird weight 40 to 50 kg whereas how those winged ones probably weight 50gm?

Tat the case they have to remove and flatten all the palm oil plantations surrounding KLIA cause palm oil plantations breed insects with or w/o bhs ---> attract wild swiftlets ---> attract predators ----> potential to bring down A380 or B-747.

Boy oh boy, Sepang Council also steps into KLIA jurisdiction without latter involvement. Eager to hear what KLIA control tower going to say about all this nonsense.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Sep 4 2009, 05:04 PM

hoo...

really kah??

40km radius no birds activity....hmm....

then Malaysia is the first in the world which is so stupid enough to think of this brilliant idea loh!!!.....

how big is 40km??....sure or not to relocate to kuala selangor??

even kuala selangor is within 40km from klia woh...

so the coverage is what??

sepang kena lah
sg pelek kena
banting kena
nilai of course kena loh
seremban kena loh
klang also kena woh
port dickson kena
morib kena

wah...many kena lah..

how abt subang airport?? penang airport, johor airport, n many more!!!..soh hai!!!

how abt the whole country airport???

liked that how???

no farming lah....

u pity us meh??....really kah???

u pity ur own wallet!!!...pity!!!....pui!!!

cannot come out with more idea liao kah???

how about go home take a rest n let someone do the job for u!!..

..

HOREY!!!

Good news guys.... please refer to the star Friday 4th September, VIEWS "Swiftlet Farming Will Boost Economy" by Dr. Amerjeet Singh for the Secretary-General of Natural Resources & Environment Ministry. Link below (didn't know it was available on staronline, would've post the others as well, haha! noticed just now from Lucas1's post >.<);

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...31332&sec=focus

Finally... a government official giving a statement unclouded by hate or bias. He clarified most of the misconceptions simple and clear. Hopefully the way he mentioned "currently protected under the Wildlife Act 1972 [Act 76]"[I] is an indication that things will change. I think half the problem will be solved if AF was removed from that list, removed from PERHILITANS jurisdiction. Also hope the new guidelines will bring positive impact towards the industry.

"Currently the DWNP, together with related agencies and with cooperation from Bird Nest Associa­tion, is revising the guidelines on time usage to play the audio."

Lets cross our fingers that the associations working with the ministry are people who put the industry first and not self interest. Besides... i think associations can advise more, not just audio guidelines.


This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Sep 5 2009, 03:04 AM

Good!!!!!

Thanks for the link bang.

If we can strike off public concern on bird flu, esp with the endorsement from DWNP in putrajaya, half battle on the public complaint is settled as that's one of the very few major complaints.

Another major public complaint will be NOISE.

That's one depend on readers here and farmers all over the country cum association cum town councils to co-operate and take it SERIOUSLY, settle it ONCE AND FOR ALL.

That MAJOR NOISE complaint can be easily settle. But then human problem is the worst problems. Technical problem can be settle, money problem can be settle, land problem can be settle, hygene problem can be settle, ugly-looking-to-the-eye problem can be settle, noise problem can be settle, blah blah. But, but human problem .... long way to go man.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Sep 5 2009, 11:19 AM

Although my body is stiil in the hospital but my heart is still with the Swiftlets Sanctuary Services (SSS) providers.

Istill read the forum only when I have the energy to see but just this advice from a fellow SSS guy, be considerate to others, be fair to others, be kind to others................we know that some black sheeps esp CON sultants are teaching wrong methods of how to start a successful BH.

Consultants on How to maximise Profits and faster returns. All these are wrong, legally or morally and are short sighted. Try to see beyond the horizon and you will see not only the single rainbow in front of your eyes but multiply rainbows that will bring fortune to your future generations to come. Also, that will bring our country aspiration to be the biggest producers of EBN to come true. Learn from us for we have no reasons to lie and only hope for success and make a new true friend.

A few black sheep don't mean all sheep are black....for every black one, ther are hundreds of good ones. All the Associations can do are to advice those black ones to repent or otherwise punishment in written warning for the first offence, compound of Rm1K for the second offence, 10K for the third offence and 100K for the fourth offence in a year.

Thanks all for sharing the latest news and hope to hear more the good news.

i seriously missed something here.... brother West Wing... why again are you in the hospital??????????? i wish you a speedy recovery. wish all the forumers to be fit as a fiddle and on our toes ready for any issues.

i agree that there are not many black sheep, most of us rather not provoke authorities at the risk of threatening the existence of our farms. the problem with black sheep's.... is even though there is only one in a visible herd of thousands..... it can be easily seen by anyone from afar by anyone. the public loses sight of the thousands of whites... and notice only the black. These blacks on the other hand are not necessarily association members... and if they are, the association has limited or lack the enforcement power towards their own members (anyways, kalau dah tak takut dgn pihak berkuasa, do you think they will heed advice from associations?). Coming to this point... besides making it compulsory for owners to be members of associations, some might see a need for empowering associations with such authority... which to me may lead to another damning consequence... associations abusing that power. i don't know if this has happened before though... just a possibility.

I can only think of another solution for now... since associations are those controlling or having links with brokers and middlemen, they can try making it the associations policy to promote BN's only from owners that have a clean record, good harvesting practices and no complaint record (which can also be applied to export requirements). Blacklist those black sheep. Maybe ada la sedikit effect. (this of course be overcome by the black sheep, sellin cheap or sellin thru a white sheep friend, but worth giving it a shot).

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Sep 7 2009, 08:45 AM

Bro WW,

Take it easy. After recovery, then can involve in birds again.

Dear All,

I an quite keen to invest in Bird Nest Farming. Recently, someone has given me a proposal on this alternative investment. This is the offer, they gave me:

The One Stop Swiftlet Center Concept: Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park & Bird Nest Cultivation Centre is a piece of 8 hectares agriculture land owned and developed by Layar Klasik Resort (M) Sdn. Bhd. Located at one of the best bird nest cultivation area in Mukim Sedili Kecil, Johore, Malaysia, it provides 94 units of 4 storey terrace swiftlet shop-house, approved by the State Government. With the approval from the State Government, this indicates that swiftlet farming is legalized in Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park & Bird Nest Cultivation Centre.
Our One Stop Center Concept provides interested individual(s)/company with a novel investment opportunity. Besides premium capital appreciation and attractive returns, we offer the best fuss-free solution to swiftlet farming and birdnests cultivation.
The ‘One Stop Center’ concept originates from the need to provide a collective integrated area for mass swiftlets’ farming that is approved and legalized by the State Government. Due to the pressure from urban development and increase in human population, the natural habitat and niche of the swiftlets are being reduced. Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park & Bird Nest Cultivation Centre is surrounded by fruit farms, waterfall, river and green vegetations that swiftlets’ thrive on. With the strategic location of Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park, it is proposed that the natural habitat would provides the perfect solution to production of Organic Bird Nest with the highest quality, i.e. nests produced by male swiftlets that feeds on insects in a pollution free environment.

And now, here’s your golden opportunity to tap into this unique business and investment proposition.
The following details are the Special “Win-Win” Investment Plan, which is being offered by us: -
• 4 Story Terrace Swiftlet Shop House Lot with land area 20’x76’ sq. ft. = RM799,555.00 / Lot (special offer price for phase 1 only + included renovation costs for every floors + Lawyer Fee + Stamp Duty Fee + 2 years Insurance Coverage)
• Waiver of Security & Consultation Fees for 24 months.
• Guarantee minimum of 100 bird nests during the 24 months period.
• Capital Protection (Monies Guaranteed Back), up to 24 months.*
• Gated & Guarded: 24 hours patrol services.
• No bias in providing swiftlet attracting services.
- Our Consultant’s service is available on every unit of swiftlet shop house.
- Especially for those who are inexperience.
• No Technical & Monitoring Issues.
- We will assist you to monitor your swiftlet shop house such as swiftlet audio system, proper temperature & humidity & lighting control, security system, pest control system, floor cleaning & cultivating services and etc.
- In other words, your duty is to monitor our performance and ensure your income is increasing every year.
• Fully fencing & Card access system will be provided.
• Individual Leasehold Title will be issued.
• Greater investment value: Potential higher returns with lowest risk / No demand & supply issues.
* If investor who is not satisfied with our Swiftlet Plan’s performance, your total initial investment cost will be refundable with subject to the term & condition below: -
1) 100% of your initial investment cost will be refundable if your swiftlet shop lot has LESS THAN 100 bird nests during the 24 months period.
2) The capital protection of your initial investment cost will be NOT APPLICABLE anymore if your swiftl

Is it safe to invest in this Bird Nest house? They also inform me that I could take loan from Agro Bank.

Any advice?

I saw you posted the above eco park advertisement in the LYN classified section this afternoon as a seller and now u suddenly turn around and become potential buyer in the evenin in this thread ?
My guess is you will surely kena tembak in this thread.



This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 7 2009, 10:41 PM

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...31332&sec=focus

Hope this is not pouring cold water. DL said it sounds like a spell after a long draught or a silver lining above the dark clowd to excite everybody for a while. But, don't be too happy and fooled. Of course, it is better than nothing. Whether situation is going to improve, nobody dares to say as this is BOLEH LAND. Too many empty promises, too many little Napoleons, too many bureucracies, too many greedy politicians, too much corrupted officials. Already, almost 10 years, he and his gang have been fighting hard for the justice for the industry and yet could not see the end of the battle. DL and his gang have simply seen too many promises by the authorities been broken time after time. Averagely, no less than 10 meetings called yearly by different departments on the issue attended by the key representatives from the industry. The notably one was only in June conducted by the JABATAN PERKHIDMATAN VERTERINAR in Seramban which had given so much hope to the industry. But, where does the situation lead to? From bad to worse and worst. Losing faith with the authorities and the politicians. Always thunder, thunder and thunder, but no rain................

It should be 100% refundable + interest + penalty (15% of capital invested) to prevent fraudulent misrepresentation of facts!

Then I am willing to invest.

Dear Brother Lucas1... words of experience. Looks like we'd better hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Just some info about Layar Klasik Resort (347074-W) registered address, 101-A, Jalan Sutera Taman Sentosa, JB. Business add, Lot 549, Kg. Panti Kota Tinggi. Directors; Ding Ing Leong (51 years old), Jasmine Teon Pon Hong (28 years old). Same address, maybe anak beranak. Shareholders have the same surname Jualiana Teon, Jeremy Teon, Joanne Teon & Jasmine Teon except for Din Ing Leong. Company charges... yadaydaydayda... haha! Its a wonder how easy we can come by information nowadays.

All i want to know is who the hell from the state government "approved" the project. Anyways... the sentence;

With the approval from the State Government, this indicates that swiftlet farming is legalized in Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park & Bird Nest Cultivation Centre.[

is it enough? An indication is sufficient?

Secondly about agrobank... have some experience with them regarding loans for BH. Had the opportunity but decided to reserve it for my second one. They are a commercial bank. They will need collateral one way or the other. Simple as that. What can speed up the loan is using an FD... which in that case they will give 1:1. If not, 60% from land or property value or 90% of the total project cost, whichevers lower.

Lastly... and this i have been firm since the beginning... is the limitation of food supply, hunting areas or in other words saturation of population.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Sep 8 2009, 08:25 PM

Sifu ,

I want to ask some questions :

My BH already 5 years , but only have 5 - 15 nests

You got a failed farm. I think u should engage an expert to visit your BH physically to help u up.

engage an expert ??

dear limhongwoon, i think aeiou228 meant for you to use the services of a consultant/specialist with a good track record, credibility verified by other BH owners, comes recommended and the such (whatever the criteria of a good consultant maybe)... and not a CON-sultant.

anyway, the information limhongwoon gave is way too little for any of the forumers to respond to and help give pointers.

bro , my BH temperature is 28 Celsius to 31 Celsius . And Humidity is 90% ++ .

Then what information need to give ??