Bit of history on Salawak state if you wonder why swiftlet farming facing so much 'resistance'. Question: is it resistance or some unseen hand trying to monopoly. Bare in mind not just swiftlet lah, many other industries, business, private lands, bumis etc also facing similar predicament.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beritamalaysia/message/109937

Memang lawak lah.



This post has been edited by Bobby C: Aug 28 2009, 09:42 AM

Guys, please read the Star Friday 28th August page N56 (its time to ban farming of swiftlets). A view from an idiot that lacks proper information and no substantial evidence of the accusations.

Just read the article.

All I can say is that he did not have ALL the facts at his disposal (wouldn't expect otherwise) but he is partially correct though, thanks to the many selfish Swiftlet farmers still lurking among us. It is our job to educate them.

Even in my hometown, there are farmers blatantly playing very loud calling sound from about 6:45am right through to 9:00pm. These are experienced farmers and some don't give a damn. They are the blacksheep of the family.

You still see many bloggers and expert consultants promoting the hexagonal tweeters, pooling sound etc. These should be illegal! They only care about profits. Noise pollution is none of their concern because it is not their ears that are exposed to the noise more than 12 hours a day. There is no internal check-and-balance in this industry.

If you have children studying for the up-coming PMR & SPM and they cannot concentrate on their studies, would you not be annoyed? I have met people who wanted to throw diesel into those farms! Talk about pissed off residents.

Would you blame the town council for wanting to shut down bird farms? I certainly don't.

true2. errant farmers etc2. but what i'm pissed off is... where the hell was Sahabat Alam Malaysia during the Mukah incidents? To me they are just a group of so called conservationist that are selective besides being biased. They have been awarded with;

Global 500, Honour Roll 1978, Alternative Global Price 1988, Goldman Award 1991, Conde Nast Travel Environmental Award 1998 dan The Right Liverhood Award.

but notice the years... by now they (knowing Malaysia as it is) they've probably become puppets for certain quarters/politicians (like the protest against ZIPY, why only during PAS's leadership? Notice they only make memorandums and such only in opposition controlled states). My own opinion though (biased as well, haha!).

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Aug 28 2009, 12:07 PM

For those farmers in selangor,

a meeting bet selangor bird's nest association n govt officers in cybercaya will be held on 2/9/09, 10am. the meeting is regarding swiftlet farms in sepang n surrouding area that purportedly affecting the klia flights !!!..

Pls do attend the meeting to gives support to the association, association members can contact Mr Mah (secretary of association) for more info.

..

i am from the philippines and i am new here. thought of seeking help from kind-hearted malaysians like you.

i have an alleged parcel sent from london and it was "on hold" in malaysia for some custom duties problem. i just need to confirm the existence of the parcel and the alleged custom duties to be paid. the courier is direct package express with office in london.
here in malaysia, the same company is headed by mrs. fizah fauzi, the southeast asian regional director.
Tel: +60143340197
Fax: +60331698098
Email: southeastasia@direct-package.com
i am directed to pay in cash through western union in order for the package to be released by custom. can anyone please help? thank you so much.

The news related to this incident is http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...317&sec=central.

If the guidelines from Perhilitan does not allow activity(swiftlet farming) in shoplots or abandoned buildings, why haven't they stopped it much earlier?

Sounds very familiar..... Are u looking for "water fish" here ? Ok I'm from KL and I can help you but you got to send the money to me first if indeed need to pay custom for the release of parcel.

FAKE SCAM PARCEL DELIVERY

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 2 2009, 01:26 AM

thank you... i thought so, myself....

owh, didn't know there were cases of swiftlets being minced and roasted by aircraft engines. i thought those birds had superb echolocation abilities (bloody good hearing) and could hear aircraft engines from miles away. besides, the roaring of an airplane engine must be deafening to them. i'm sure even if there were a few deaf swiftlets around they'd be fast enough to maneuver away, i think la.

anyways, nothing can be done i guess since its MPSp thats making the initiative with PERHILITAN making the rules... no mention of any aviation governing body guidelines.

Anyways, wanted to share some info (kalau ada yang belum ketahui), please refer to http://www.pet-cockatiel.com/act.html, website since perhilitans using pdf.

ok, AKTA 76 AKTA PERLINDUNGAN HIDUPAN LIAR 1972. Funny theres no definition or criteria of those species listed in jadual 1-4. Binatang liar matang ke tak matang ke is easily understandable... the term DIPERLINDUNGI [b]and DIPERLINDUNGI SEPENUHNYA[ is the issue. What makes them diperlindungi, what makes them diperlindungi sepenuhnya? There is no mention of population or epidemiological based reasons or due to difficulty in breeding (still population) or the habitat is too specific or loss of habitat (epidemio) which in the swiftlets case... NOT RELEVANT AT ALL. There should be an international convention to the word 'protected species'... but heck, this is Malaysia. If PERHILITAN somehow wanted to put not fully domesticated cows or pigs or dogs in the list (well, matches 'binatang liar', no mention of separuh liar or fully liar), theres no stopping them. As Dr. Lim mentioned, commercial swiftlet ranches or the term used by brother West Wing, Swiftlet Sanctuary Services... has indeed contributed to conservation. With more bird houses, i can't see any reason why its still in the list except for;

1. Control of CAVE nest harvesting. Which in that case make the list more specific to mention CAVE nests. Bukan susah pun.
2. Tax. MONEYMONEYMONEY.

How can an outdated, incomplete Act with so many abusive loopholes still be in usage.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Sep 2 2009, 07:34 AM

How efficient and hardworking is Perhilitan? From jungle to town centres now klia tower control also under its jurisdiction.

Hey, our wildlife got raped by poachers, what are you going to do about is. Oh, too busy collecting EBN in towns and airports kah, not enough hands kah?

My ass.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Sep 3 2009, 10:39 AM

Hi

Is there any picture that show or technique to identify which types of swiftlet built nest and which don't? To my eyes, they all look alike.

So far, in peninsular Malaysia, I've only seen big numbers of grass swifts exist in Cameron Highland. The swifts built grass nests out side of the building. Especially at the top of Rosa Pasadena Hotel in Brinchang.

Dear bro Optiplex330. I think the best way is to observe the birds up close at the nearest BH in your vicinity. I think you can identify them by the way they fly, and given time, even by the body make from afar. correct me if i'm wrong, but AF rarely flies low (slightly above ground level) even for feeding. I'm no expert anyway.

Referring to Dennis Gong W.J.'s VIEWS (the star, N45, 2nd September 2009), "Swiftlets Are A Real Hygienic Lot"... we have to thank him since his email was published. It gave a truthful and simple view for the public, at least making it known that AF is a no litter/shitter on your windshield type of bird. It seems to me that only those involved in the industry (his dad has a BH) understands the truth behind the nature of this bird and again... as mentioned many times before it is up to us to educate the public.

Nature Lover gave another view; "No short-term gains from swiftlet farming", (the star, N50, 3rd September 2009) also supporting the fact that AF is hygienic and adding a few other facts including AF as a natural pest controller and a high sought out commodity... but was against eco-park type of ranches (i agree with this since saturation and food limitations will occur over time) however stressing agriland BH's should be the benchmark not shot units. He did mention about ranchers conforming to GAHP... i don't think he realizes just how the current GAHP is not practical (besides being a cincai guidline) and more applicable for agriland BH's. I did like the mention of swiftlet scams though, kinda rampant nowadays.

Notice how papers and the mainstream media are now highlighting the issue? Sounds like somethings brewing within the government that might give a strong impact to the industry. lets just hope its for the better.

Yes I know that is the best way to learn. But what are the things to look out for? I don't even know where to start and like I said, they all look the same to me.

Like what Dun said, just observe how they fly near BH and they don't stop and rest at tree or power transmission line.

How to identify AF.
They have all black feathers. No white ring at the neck, No white patches at the belly.
When they fly, their tails are shaped in "V".
They never stop flying and stand on trees, roof top etc
How they fly ( this need a lot of observations )

Thanks. This is exactly the info I wanted.

On the tail being 'V" shape. Someone told me it is the opposite?

Oh really ? then u have to make a decision who is telling you the correct info about AF. But why bother to spot the non AF anyway ??

I am trying to learn how to identify which is which. People tells me there are 4 or 5 types circling overheat and they all look the same to me.