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Life Sciences [List] Private Medical Universities in Malaysia, *MD / MBBS / MBBChBAO (Update-17/11/14)*

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post Dec 29 2008, 04:32 AM, updated 9y ago

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Here is a list of private medical universities/ colleges/ schools available in Malaysia as of NOVEMBER - 2014, choose and compare wisely:




*Last Updated - NOVEMBER, 17tt 2014

LINK TO THE LIST OF ALREADY RECOGNIZED MEDICAL PROGRAMS BY MMC
http://mmc.gov.my/v1/index.php?option=com_...d=70&Itemid=109 smile.gif





1. INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL UNIVERSITY (IMU)


Website: http://www.imu.edu.my/


2. MONASH UNIVERSITY MALAYSIA CAMPUS


Website: http://www.med.monash.edu.my/


3. PENANG MEDICAL COLLEGE (PMC)


Website: http://www.pmc.edu.my/index.php


4. MELAKA MANIPAL MEDICAL COLLEGE (MMMC)


Website: http://www.manipal.edu/INSTITUTIONS/MEDICI...es/Welcome.aspx

Additional Info: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry32124124



5. ASIAN INSTITUTE OF MEDICINE, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (AIMST)


Website: http://www.aimst.edu.my/



6. ROYAL COLLEGE OF MEDICINE PERAK (RCMP-UNIKL)


Website: http://www.perakmed.edu.my/index.php



7. UNIVERSITY COLLEGE SEDAYA INTERNATIONAL (UCSI)


Website: http://lms.ucsi.edu.my/doctor-of-medicine



8. ALLIANZE COLLEGE OF MEDICAL SCIENCES (ACMS)


NOW CLOSED
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...-medical-colleg



9. CYBERJAYA UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF MEDICAL SCIENCES (CUCMS)


Website: http://www.cybermed.edu.my/
Course Details: http://www.cybermed.edu.my/cucms-web/new_w...c_medicine.html



10. MANAGEMENT AND SCIENCE UNIVERSITY - INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL SCHOOL (MSU-IMS)


Website: http://ims.msu.edu.my/



11. MAHSA UNIVERSITY COLLEGE


Website: http://www.mahsa.edu.my/



12. TAYLOR'S UNIVERSITY COLLEGE


Website: http://www.taylors.edu.my/en/university/schools/medicine



13. NEWCASTLE UNIVERSITY - MEDICINE MALAYSIA


Website: http://numed.ncl.ac.uk



14. Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (UTAR)


Website: http://www.utar.edu.my/main.jsp

News Article: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4915&sec=nation



15. Asia Metropolitan University (formerly known as Masterskill)


Website: http://www.amu.edu.my/new/medical-2/bachel...f-surgery-mbbs/



16. SEGI University College


Website: http://www.segi.edu.my/area/medicine



17. Insaniah University College


Website: http://www.insaniah.edu.my/portal/index.ph...sains-kesihatan



18. Perdana University


Website: http://perdanauniversity.edu.my/pugsom/



19. Lincoln University College


Website: http://www.lincoln.edu.my/programmetemplat...70-EB4301BF60DB



20. Quest International University Perak


Website: http://www.qiup.edu.my/index.php/faculties...of-surgery-mbbs



21. University College Shah Putra


Website: http://www.universitycollegeshahputra.edu....ourses/fom/mbbs

Now~ there are 20 IPTS offering medical courses in Malaysia~ to be updated if needed...

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ermm.. it is better to seperate those that can be done all locally and those twinning programs.. and where's the public unis?


Added on December 29, 2008, 11:47 amsorry.. didnt see private

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i am trying hard to understand how a 0+5 'twinning' programme done wholly outside the country can be considered a 'local' med school.........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 29 2008, 03:56 PM)
i am trying hard to understand how a 0+5 'twinning' programme done wholly outside the country can be considered a 'local' med school.........
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Right, I have to edit that. I consider it a local med school since the campus in Bangalore is an Off-shore campus of MSU (MSU is a local Uni).
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if i am not mistaken, the 'offshore' campus is an existing medical school affiliated to the uni of bangalore.....they just make an arrangement to 'buy' the med student places to sell to unsuspecting msian parents hell bent on making their children into doctors, the dream they could not realise in their time......
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is that MSU a branch of MSU in singapore?
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is that MSU a branch of MSU in singapore?
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that is smu.......different lah.......

this is a relatively unknown upstart uni.....with obvious strong political connections

if i am not mistaken, they attempted a tie up with harvard earlier for postgraduate studies, but of course once harvard gets wind of the reality on the ground, they lost no time in getting out........

it's amazing how the most difficult course to run for any university, medicine/dentistry, sprouts out from very unknown, new, and unbenchmarked universities........can only happen in msia...... doh.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 29 2008, 07:02 PM)
if i am not mistaken, the 'offshore' campus is an existing medical school affiliated to the uni of bangalore.....they just make an arrangement to 'buy' the med student places to sell to unsuspecting msian parents hell bent on making their children into doctors, the dream they could not realise in their time......
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Correction, MSU actually built an offshore campus in Bangalore and has started the program since 2006.
Collaboration was made not with the Uni. of Bangalore (they dont have MBBS, only Bangalore medical college conducts MBBS) but with MS Ramaiah Medical College and MS Ramaiah Memorial Hospital.

MSU did not buy any "medical seats" from MS Ramaiah Medical College, but instead offered their own medical seats to Malaysians independent of that college since the facilities, lab and buildings are separate. Both MSU-IMS and MS Ramaiah medical college are separate entities, collaboration exists between the two in terms of medical expertises (professors and lecturers), training hospital and other related matters.

How did I know this? I am studying there right now.

Read the articles below:


http://www.tutor.com.my/tutor/dunia.asp?y=...if&pg=ps_01.htm

http://www.tutor.com.my/tutor/dunia.asp?y=...if&pg=ps_02.htm

http://www.tutor.com.my/tutor/dunia.asp?y=...if&pg=ps_03.htm


QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 29 2008, 09:15 PM)
this is a relatively unknown upstart uni.....with obvious strong political connections
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Relatively unknown?... I guess MSU don't get much publicity being an IPTS and Bumiputra-owned at that. It was previously known as KUTPM. Regarding strong political connections, that is a good thing is it not?

You do realize that India is a good destination for MBBS dont you? Ask those in MMMC as well if you dont believe me.

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i stand corrected on the actual arrangements between msu and the obvious technical partner MS Ramaiah Medical College.......

india like most 3rd world countries (msian included) have a problem with keeping consistent standards for everything, including the training, and selection of future doctors......hence there is wide spread of standards of medical education in india, from the very excellent to the appalling......

questions remains why msu needs to resort to, and the india partner wants to allow, the use of indian expertise and hospitals and patients in the training of msians.....

also, if both facility shares the same teachers and clinical material, questions arise on how that impacts on the teacher:student and patient:student ratios.......

the indian gov has also set restrictions on the number/percentages of foreigners in their medical programmes, so how is this programme affected?.......i suspected the qualification is/will not be recognised by the imc and india moh.........

bottom line is, isn't there a better way of managing the selection and training of future doctors for msia........??
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I wonder if there would be a surplus of doctors in Malaysia in future.
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politics should stay firmly out of education......but that is of course wishful thinking in the msian context........every political party wants to control/set up a university........

which also explains the dismal state of education in msian, particularly medical education........


Added on December 29, 2008, 10:57 pm
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I wonder if there would be a surplus of doctors in Malaysia in future.
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i see variable reports of msia reaching the un target of 1:600 ratio by 2013 or 2015......

there will of course be considerable maldistribution.......but even as we type now, it is reaching saturation point in the klang valley, especially for gp clinics.....

you can't turn off the production of doctors like a tap, thus yes there is likely to be a surplus of doctors in parts of msia by 2015, and a likelyhood of absolute surplus by 2020, at current production levels......

the other problem msia will face, is the broad spectrum of quality of these new doctors from such disparate sources.......

there is just NO centralised, coordinated, standardised, and future-need-based planning in the production of our future doctors.......disparate political vested interests decides the day......


Added on December 29, 2008, 11:04 pmthe reputation of an academic institution comes not from whether it is ipts, the advertisements and publicity, or worse, being bumiputra owned (as if that should have any bearing at all), but from the strength of the programmes, the breath of the academic staffs, and the quality of the products, ie the graduates........so yes it is relatively unknown.......

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 29 2008, 10:34 PM)
questions remains why msu needs to resort to, and the india partner wants to allow, the use of indian expertise and hospitals and patients in the training of msians.....
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The problem that currently hinders MSU from starting a medical school in Malaysia is the absence of a training hospital (particularly in Shah Alam and its surrounding area) and the difficulty in obtaining medical experts. In order to overcome these problems, MSU has instead set up its medical school in India itself. Thus, the problem of medical experts unwilling to relocate to Malaysia to teach has been solved.

The medical college and hospital in which MSU is currently collaborating with agrees to supply the training hospital and medical experts simply because it benefits them (monetarily). By doing so, MSU gains the benefit of having the place, resources and man power to start a medical school even though its 100% abroad.



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also, if both facility shares the same teachers and clinical material, questions arise on how that impacts on the teacher:student and patient:student ratios.......
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Ah. Here is the thing. Teacher: student ratio as well as student: patient ratio is good. There are just too many people in Bangalore and thus too many people getting sick with various kinds of ailments.

MS Ramaiah medical college and hospital (or rather, India as whole) has abundant medical experts. The lecturers for the medical subjects only teaches permanently in either one of the medical colleges and not both at the same time. Lecturers from Manipal and other medical colleges in India have also been "recruited" to teach in MSU-IMS.

As for the training hospitals, there are another two major hospitals currently used for the purpose of teaching MSU-IMS students namely Baptist Hospital and Saint Theressa Hospital.


QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 29 2008, 10:34 PM)
the indian gov has also set restrictions on the number/percentages of foreigners in their medical programmes, so how is this programme affected?.......i suspected the qualification is/will not be recognised by the imc and india moh.........
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Indeed this MBBS program will not be recognized by Indian Medical Council (IMC).

This program is not meant for practice in India. Its a Malaysian program done in India with the aid of Indian resources and experties. MMC, MARA and MOH representatives had visited MSU-IMS several times in the past to assess the quality and progress of the program. So far, things are looking good.

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what has mara to do with the accreditation process? it should not.......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 29 2008, 11:23 PM)
what has mara to do with the accreditation process? it should not.......
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They came along to see how their sponsored students are doing there.
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erm.. i would say that this is a informative thread..

but if i know relatively nothing about medicine course such as "how to choose a better IPTS that offer a better quality education" , mb you should point out some of the IPTS to be considered first before moving to other IPTS for various factors such as distance or the total cost or cost : quality ratio.

that would help even more students..
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hey guy...is the cyberjaya university college recognised by mmc?

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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ Jan 4 2009, 12:03 AM)
hey guy...is the cyberjaya university college recognised by mmc?
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Some have been recognized and listed in MMC website.
Unfortunately a majority of the listed med skools are not yet recognized by MMC at least not until their pioneer batch have graduated and assessed by MMC.
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 29 2008, 11:17 PM)
The problem that currently hinders MSU from starting a medical school in Malaysia is the absence of a training hospital (particularly in Shah Alam and its surrounding area) and the difficulty in obtaining medical experts. In order to overcome these problems, MSU has instead set up its medical school in India itself. Thus, the problem of medical experts unwilling to relocate to Malaysia to teach has been solved.

The medical college and hospital in which MSU is currently collaborating with agrees to supply the training hospital and medical experts simply because it benefits them (monetarily). By doing so, MSU gains the benefit of having the place, resources and man power to start a medical school even though its 100% abroad.
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Could have built the campus elsewhere right? Somewhere with a teaching hospital...

"difficulty in obtaining medical experts" rises because of unwillingness of paying a higher salary to attract them...that's the only reason i can think of right now...

despite your explanation, i still find it strange...a LOCAL university to send malaysians to india, and let indian nationals teach them medicine, for the purpose of treating malaysian patients....i'm sure local doctors are more well versed with our local diseases and demographics....but then, you may argue with the fact that we do send students to UK and Australia....hmmmm =/
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this exemplify the messed up way medical education is 'planned' and implemented in msia......

the 'planning' is not based on the needs of the citizens, and the needs of the nation.........it is done with vested interests overriding the principles of standards, quality, equity, accessibility, and safety.........

every political party wants one.........

every ethnic community wants one........

every state wants one.........

every connected businessman wants one........

and this resulted in the very strange phenomena of med schools in search of a teaching hospital!!!!

normally, in the natural scheme of things, as a community grows, the health services and hospitals also grow with it.......on reaching a critical point, the local university, usually the most established one, will be asked to set up a medical school......a well established system of healthcare is already in place, with all the local expertises already available in the local hospitals......and the university easily taps into this existing medical expertise, to set up the local med school.......

it is the opposite in msia.........novice universities with no track record are on political/racial/monetary grounds given the right to set a medical school........and they go about looking for somewhere where medical expertise is available to do that........and in extreme cases, end up in other countries' hospitals!!!!

malaysia boleh.........sigh......
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is UCSI and CUCMS program recognised by MMC?
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there has NEVER been a situation where any msian med school, public or private, no matter how teruk the conditions are, is refused full recognition of the degree.......they have actually changed their own criteria, so one particular med school can be accredited........

ie, like many things msian, it is a political decision rather than a professional decision........

however the process takes place towards the end of the 1st cohort, ie around the time the 1st batch is graduating.....
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ah ic, thanks limeuu. May I ask whether it matters where you finished the mbbs program if your working in malaysia? As in, in the end your still a doctor right? or qualifications make differences, eg cert from a more reputable school compared to cert from a new med school.
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if you intend to work only in msia, and have no intention of going overseas to work or train, then it matters not where you graduate from........

any of the upstart med schools locally will do, even though most of them will not be recognised anywhere else other than msia.......even unrecognised russian, indonesian, samoan (i kid you not, see today's the star ad) degrees will do, whatever.....just pass the qualifying exam.....that is how lax we are on recognition and standards.....

once you are fully registered by mmc, you are on par with any other graduates from oxbridge, melbourne etc........

except for bragging rights.......

if you however do intend to consider work/train in other countries, particularly 1st world countries, then your primary qualification is very important........

so what's your ter? smile.gif

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thanks limeuu for the info =) um, if converted it should be bout 99. something. *Cos i'm not doing year 12 itself.* =)
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so any offers for direct entry in oz?
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hmm. just asking i tot manipal is already not recognised in msia? may i noe wht is mmc?

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QUOTE(miaofen @ Jan 6 2009, 02:46 PM)
hmm. just asking i tot manipal is already not recognised in msia? may i noe wht is mmc?
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Previously, MMMC (Melaka Manipal Medical College) had some issues with the Indian Medical Council.
However, Its still listed and recognized by Malaysian Medical Council. You can check their list below (click it):

MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL LIST


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I do guess that recognition of the university medical (or any program) recognition depends entirely on their own students. Instead of relying on the university to get the recognition, the students themselves need to prove that they are worthy of that degree. If that can be achieve i don't think that there is an issue with recognition. No matter how recognized the institution is if the student is lousy so is the degree. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(nickyf1ferrari @ Jan 7 2009, 02:35 PM)
I do guess that recognition of the university medical (or any program) recognition depends entirely on their own students. Instead of relying on the university to get the recognition, the students themselves need to prove that they are worthy of that degree. If that can be achieve i don't think that there is an issue with recognition. No matter how recognized the institution is if the student is lousy so is the degree.  cool2.gif
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I see. No not bcos of tht.. My aunt whu is a teacher told me tht the medic uni tht is not recognised, they will have to take another test.. and they tends to make the students fail in tht test. it's better better to play safe i think.

btw thx alot for the info
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QUOTE(nickyf1ferrari @ Jan 7 2009, 02:35 PM)
I do guess that recognition of the university medical (or any program) recognition depends entirely on their own students. Instead of relying on the university to get the recognition, the students themselves need to prove that they are worthy of that degree. If that can be achieve i don't think that there is an issue with recognition. No matter how recognized the institution is if the student is lousy so is the degree.  cool2.gif
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while in the principle of individual endeavour, that would sound like the correct thing to say, in real life, the degree you hold determines recognition and license to work........whether you like it or not.....

there are of course back doors, where one can sit for qualifying exams set by regulatory authorities of various countries, but that is inviting unnecessary trouble and hardship......

let's face it, those msians who have unrecognised degrees have them purely because they had been unable (did not qualify) to get into recognisable medical programmes......i don't know of anyone who will choose to go to an unrecognised med school over a recognised one........and they face a big hurdle, many cannot pass the qualifying exams in spite of repeated attempts.....


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I see. No not bcos of tht.. My aunt whu is a teacher told me tht the medic uni tht is not recognised, they will have to take another test.. and they tends to make the students fail in tht test. it's better better to play safe  i think.

btw thx alot for the info
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many fail because they are poorly trained in the first place........and because they were weak students (go look at some of the spm/stpm/pre-u results), who would not have been able to get into a reputable med school........and probably should not have gone to med school in the first place.......

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2009, 05:21 PM)
while in the principle of individual endeavour, that would sound like the correct thing to say, in real life, the degree you hold determines recognition and license to work........whether you like it or not.....

there are of course back doors, where one can sit for qualifying exams set by regulatory authorities of various countries, but that is inviting unnecessary trouble and hardship......

let's face it, those msians who have unrecognised degrees have them purely because they had been unable (did not qualify) to get into recognisable medical programmes......i don't know of anyone who will choose to go to an unrecognised med school over a recognised one........and they face a big hurdle, many cannot pass the qualifying exams in spite of repeated attempts.....


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many fail because they are poorly trained in the first place........and because they were weak students (go look at some of the spm/stpm/pre-u results), who would not have been able to get into a reputable med school........and probably should not have gone to med school in the first place.......
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There is no doubt in that. However being said that perhaps the MMC would not use the term "recognized university" anymore. They may just put the order that any student studying in overseas institution need to take the exam before practicing in MY. This may sound discriminating for students who went to study overseas but it does help eliminate the uncertainty of whether the institution being recognized by MMC or not. But students in so called "unrecognized" local or overseas institution should not be discriminated because some of this institution may just started their medical program. cool2.gif

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QUOTE(nickyf1ferrari @ Jan 7 2009, 11:33 PM)
There is no doubt in that. However being said that perhaps the MMC  would not use the term "recognized university" anymore. They may just put the order that any student studying in overseas institution need to take the exam before practicing in MY. This may sound discriminating for students who went to study overseas but it does help eliminate the uncertainty of whether the institution being recognized by MMC or not. But students in so called "unrecognized" local or overseas institution should not be discriminated because some of this institution may just started their medical program. cool2.gif
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there is NO uncertainty.........the list is there for all to see.........those going overseas to unrecognised med schools know exactly what they are getting into.......or should......there is no excuse for pleading ignorance.......

like i said elsewhere, ALL local med schools, ipta or ipts, will be recognised.......that is a political decision...........
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I hope there are parents here reading this thread. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 8 2009, 12:00 AM)
there is NO uncertainty.........the list is there for all to see.........those going overseas to unrecognised med schools know exactly what they are getting into.......or should......there is no excuse for pleading ignorance.......

like i said elsewhere, ALL local med schools, ipta or ipts, will be recognised.......that is a political decision...........
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QUOTE(miaofen @ Jan 8 2009, 01:38 AM)
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are you planning to join any one of the med colleges listed?
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 8 2009, 12:00 AM)
there is NO uncertainty.........the list is there for all to see.........those going overseas to unrecognised med schools know exactly what they are getting into.......or should......there is no excuse for pleading ignorance.......

like i said elsewhere, ALL local med schools, ipta or ipts, will be recognised.......that is a political decision...........
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Political Decision.. I agree on that.Period. cool2.gif
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are you planning to join any one of the med colleges listed?

hmm.. bt im planning to take stpm.. must see how it goes actually. any medical uni to be recommended cos gt so many bt im not sure which one to enrol in? aiks.. still a long way to go btw..

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 4 2009, 08:48 PM)
if you intend to work only in msia, and have no intention of going overseas to work or train, then it matters not where you graduate from........

any of the upstart med schools locally will do, even though most of them will not be recognised anywhere else other than msia.......even unrecognised russian, indonesian, samoan (i kid you not, see today's the star ad) degrees will do, whatever.....just pass the qualifying exam.....that is how lax we are on recognition and standards.....

once you are fully registered by mmc, you are on par with any other graduates from oxbridge, melbourne etc........

except for bragging rights.......

if you however do intend to consider work/train in other countries, particularly 1st world countries, then your primary qualification is very important........


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Alright, allow me to clarify the situation.
If a local private U grad intends to work in Singapore, he has to obtain a recognized post-grad qualification (eg, MRCP (UK), FRCAP and etc). Click here for more detail.
For US, UK, and AUS, one has to pass the licensing exam for the respective country.
However, to appear for the the above mentioned licensing exams, one's degree has to be listed in IMED.

Some may say that licensing exams are difficult, but according to many of my seniors, if you can't pass, you are not qualified to be a doctor.
MRCP(UK) on the other hand, is difficult and expensive.

Currently, the recognized private medical colleges in Msia are:
1. IMU
2. PMC
3. MMMC
4. Perak Medical
5. AIMST

Therefore for those wishing to pursue a career in medicine, it's better to opt for the above mentioned college to avoid the unnecessary hassles. However, i strongly suggest to pursue a medical degree in the 1st world countries, if money is not a concern for you.

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Jan 14 2009, 01:28 AM)
Therefore for those wishing to pursue a career in medicine, it's better to opt for the above mentioned college to avoid the unnecessary hassles. However, i strongly suggest to pursue a medical degree in the 1st world countries, if money is not a concern for you.
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the thing is, from what I've observed these last few years with LYN. Med students, Med students-wannabe and even med grads have these eagerness to want to practice outside of Malaysia.

They are concerned with SMC recognition, USMLE, PLAB etc. I assume money is the driving force? why do you think MMC and Gov keeps allowing new IPTS med schools from blooming all over the country?

Well, in my point of view, one of the reason for this is to avoid/reduce their past mistakes. The government sent JPA/MARA students abroad to study medicine so that they will return, serve the Malaysian community and become a valuable asset to the country. But then.... some of these students refused to return after graduating... therefore, the gov's investment went down the drain.

You guys see the problem here?



Now, in order to make sure that the future JPA/MARA sponsored students comes back to serve the government, the government has instead sent them to these new IPTS to study medicine.

Why? just think of this, malaysian IPTS are recognized only in Malaysia and therefore they will only be able to serve in Gov service after graduating. No more running away. The government is smart isn't it? laugh.gif

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the thing is, from what I've observed these last few years with LYN. Med students, Med students-wannabe and even med grads have these eagerness to want to practice outside of Malaysia.

They are concerned with SMC recognition, USMLE, PLAB etc. I assume money is the driving force? why do you think MMC and Gov keeps allowing new IPTS med schools from blooming all over the country?

Well, in my point of view, one of the reason for this is to avoid/reduce their past mistakes. The government sent JPA/MARA students abroad to study medicine so that they will return, serve the Malaysian community and become a valuable asset to the country. But then.... some of these students refused to return after graduating... therefore, the gov's investment went down the drain.

You guys see the problem here?
Now, in order to make sure that the future JPA/MARA sponsored students comes back to serve the government, the government has instead sent them to these new IPTS to study medicine.

Why? just think of this, malaysian IPTS are recognized only in Malaysia and therefore they will only be able to serve in Gov service after graduating. No more running away. The government is smart isn't it?  laugh.gif
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everybody loves a conspiracy story, and this would make interesting reading, and certainly sounds logical...... biggrin.gif

but the issue of jpa/mara scholars not wanting to return to serve their bond is NOT because they have recognised qualifications.......but because the govenrment ALLOWS them to do so with impunity......

just sue the guarantors/parents for the full amount of money spent on these scholars, plus interests, plus penalty, make it public, widely covered in the media.........and see if these scholars don't come scrambling back.......otherwise, recover the money, and there is no loss to the gov/country........

it would also make those who intend to break their bonds from the word go think twice about accepting the scholarships......

so why is that NOT happening??............ smile.gif


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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jan 26 2009, 09:44 PM)
the thing is, from what I've observed these last few years with LYN. Med students, Med students-wannabe and even med grads have these eagerness to want to practice outside of Malaysia.

They are concerned with SMC recognition, USMLE, PLAB etc. I assume money is the driving force? why do you think MMC and Gov keeps allowing new IPTS med schools from blooming all over the country?

Well, in my point of view, one of the reason for this is to avoid/reduce their past mistakes. The government sent JPA/MARA students abroad to study medicine so that they will return, serve the Malaysian community and become a valuable asset to the country. But then.... some of these students refused to return after graduating... therefore, the gov's investment went down the drain.

You guys see the problem here?
Now, in order to make sure that the future JPA/MARA sponsored students comes back to serve the government, the government has instead sent them to these new IPTS to study medicine.

Why? just think of this, malaysian IPTS are recognized only in Malaysia and therefore they will only be able to serve in Gov service after graduating. No more running away. The government is smart isn't it?  laugh.gif
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I think that's not the main issue responsible for the blooming of IPTS. I was told that medical education is the new gold mine, thus many successful businessmen and political parties want one for themselves. Therefore, when big money is involved, gov wouldn't want to stop it. You get what i mean brows.gif
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WHere can i get info on the jpa-sponsored graduate entry for medicine?
What about the requirements and procedure for graduates to apply for medicine in local universities?
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What about the requirements and procedure for graduates to apply for medicine in local universities?
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Regarding JPA sponsorship for graduate entry medicine abroad, you have to inquire directly to their HQ.

If you were referring to local private medical universities, the minimum requirement for for a BSc. holder can either be CGPA of 3.0 (Second class upper degree) or CGPA 3.5 (first class degree), that however may differ between universities. But be reminded that you will join the normal 5-years program along with STPM/A-Levels/Foundation holders.

Diploma holders are required to have a minimum CGPA of 3.5 in order to be considered.

Gov.universities don't have graduate entry medical program. They are already swamped with STPM/matriculation students.

For the 4-years fast track medical program you will have to look abroad for it. Australia, UK, US and some European countries such as Poland offers such program.



By the way, have you graduated? what is your BSc. ?

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how much do we have to pay, if we want to pursue mbbs in UNIKL???
if u dont know the exact amount, what is the approximation?
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I dun think jpa will sponsor ur graduate medical course. if u r having financial constraints, do consider Duke-NUS, cos they r providing lots of financial aids, but competition to get admitted is quite fierce I heard.
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how much do we have to pay, if we want to pursue mbbs in UNIKL???
if u dont know the exact amount, what is the approximation?
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A friend of mine studying there told me, it was around RM300K.

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Which private medical university(listed up there) is the best among all? In term of fee structure.
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If you go for cheaper + good quality go to AIMST. You gonna get bored with the food but everything else is quite fun. Try questioning the 'Unofficial AIMST' thread for more info.
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im not a doctor or a medical student but this situation we are facing is worrisome. i cannot open a newspaper without seeing adverts for obscure "medical schools" in russia or ukraine or indonesia or some other far off land. to make things worse, random private "medical schools" have mushroomed under the malaysian obsession of becoming a doctor, no matter how stupid one is. admittedly, one need not be a any more of a genius to be a good doctor than to be a engineer or a good accountant - contrary to what many doctors would have you believe - but the rigorous training required for a doctor-to-be cannot possibly be provided when all and sundry are admitted into the programme (one year post-spm preparation? you gotta be kidding me) and training hospitals are in another country and the arrangements are primarily for the financial gain of the other partner?

what does JPA and MARA know about good medical training anyway? all they want to see is that their sponsored students, who are none the wiser with regards to what a good medical training should be, are fit and well and happy with their training.

limeuu hit the nail on the head when he mentioned the idiocy of the different ethnic groups who insist on their own medical schools, to pander to the doctor-wannabe kids of their colour, regardless of aptitude and attitude, so they could pass it off as an achievement come election time.

i worry when i pass private clinics where the doctor lists their qualifications at the door from random places (am i supposed to feel assured that the person treating me for a premium went to Calicut?). i do not foresee this situation getting any better in the near future with what we are dealing at the moment.
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the powers that control all this is not interested in the quality or safety of healthcare in the country........it becomes a game of numbers........how many malay, chinese and indian doctors there are......what is the ratio (1:1000?, 1:600)......

the people who actually have to deal with this on the ground, ie the moh, are stuck with many poorly trained and often incompetent fresh graduates entering the hospitals.......some of these doctors become a liability rather than an asset.....instead of an extra pair of hands in helping to cope with the non-ending stream of patients in gov hospitals, someone has to keep an eye on these doctors to make sure their mistakes do not do too much harm.....

mistakes happen? you bet........all the time.......you will be surprised how frequent......the case i mentioned here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/942204/+40 .....that contract doctor (actually from pakistan, not india[p/s in response to below, the doctor stated on the phone she is from india, but as determined by the name chop in the referral letter, she is from pakistan]) made a wrong diagnosis of the bleeding, being only able to think of piles and unable to think of any alternative possible diagnosis, did a rectal examination and completely MISSED a rectal tumour......... if not for the fact that the patient has insurance and insisted on referral to a private hospital, that pakistani doctor will continue to treat that patient as piles.........!

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the powers that control all this is not interested in the quality or safety of healthcare in the country........it becomes a game of numbers........how many malay, chinese and indian doctors there are......what is the ratio (1:1000?, 1:600)......

the people who actually have to deal with this on the ground, ie the moh, are stuck with many poorly trained and often incompetent fresh graduates entering the hospitals.......some of these doctors become a liability rather than an asset.....instead of an extra pair of hands in helping to cope with the non-ending stream of patients in gov hospitals, someone has to keep an eye on these doctors to make sure their mistakes do not do too much harm.....

mistakes happen? you bet........all the time.......you will be surprised how frequent......the case i mentioned here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/942204/+40 .....that contract doctor (actually from pakistan, not india) made a wrong diagnosis of the bleeding, being only able to think of piles and unable to think of any alternative possible diagnosis, did a rectal examination and completely MISSED a rectal tumour......... if not for the fact that the patient has insurance and insisted on referral to a private hospital, that pakistani doctor will continue to treat that patient as piles.........!
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So that doctor is a Pakistani grad instead of an Indian grad like you claimed? Whether or not you made the mistake intentionally or unintentionally, you gave me the impression that you would modify the facts just to back your argument.

Also, pls put a full stop to generalization. You always claimed that you didn't generalize, but in the end, you are the one making all the generalization.

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i didn't generalise, at least you answered more than this doctor could.......

you will have passed with these answers, but now for distinction.........you have not given the 3 most common cause (but actually rare occurrence) for profuse fresh pr bleeding........

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just got off the phone with an indian doctor......as in indian national contract doctor, serving in a rural hospital in msia........

the referral is a patient with fresh quite profuse bleeding per rectum.......and the only cause the poor india trained doctor could think of is haemorrhoids........can't offer any other differential diagnosis......

maybe hypermax will want to offer some suggestions.......

see what i mean by problems with india trained graduates.......?

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there is no generalisation, there IS a problem with india trained doctors as a group......one cannot tell superficially if they are good or bad.......

i stand by my opinion that because of inconsistency in standards, all doctors from russia, india, indonesia will be viewed with suspicion, and they will need to prove themselves competent individually.........this view acknowledges there are many good competent doctors from these mentioned places.....just as there are many bad ones.........and this distinction needs to be made on an individual basis.......

these are the facts of this issue.........if one feels upset because one belongs to one of these groups, tough.......just go prove yourself.....

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2009, 09:01 AM)
i stand by my opinion that because of inconsistency in standards, all doctors from russia, india, indonesia will be viewed with suspicion, and they will need to prove themselves competent individually.........this view acknowledges there are many good competent doctors from these mentioned places.....just as there are many bad ones.........and this distinction needs to be made on an individual basis.......

these are the facts of this issue.........if one feels upset because one belongs to one of these groups, tough.......just go prove yourself.....
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is there a tough testing regime in place that every doctor has to go through before he is allowed to practice in malaysia? should that not filter out the graduates of dodgy medical schools out of our healthcare system?
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like said, it has become a numbers game.......

no, if you graduate from a scheduled (ie recognised under section 13/2 of the medical act), you are registrable.......and that list contains a lot of doggy unis........

to make matters worse, a backdoor exist.....if you graduate from unscheduled uni ie not recognised (section 13/3), you can sit for an exam, pitched at 4th year level, and if you pass, get registered......many cannot pass after multiple attempts (allowed 3), and the gov has now 'absorbed' them into ipta medical schools, for 'retraining'.......

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2009, 09:01 AM)
i stand by my opinion that because of inconsistency in standards, all doctors from russia, india, indonesia will be viewed with suspicion, and they will need to prove themselves competent individually.........this view acknowledges there are many good competent doctors from these mentioned places.....just as there are many bad ones.........and this distinction needs to be made on an individual basis.......

these are the facts of this issue.........if one feels upset because one belongs to one of these groups, tough.......just go prove yourself.....
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I believe all doctors should be judged on individual basis, regardless of where they graduated from. As i have said many times before, in most developed countries (including Singapore), one is not allowed to display his/her qualification with place of origin in bracket, which is being practiced in Msia. No matter how famous a medical school is, there will always be bad apples, just that they might be less.

Ever heard of a case of a session of angiogram being done across the span of 2 days, with guide wire taped to patient's thigh after the first day as there was no catheter available in the hospital? This happened to one of my mom's friends who went to a private hospital in Kedah, and angiogram was performed by a chinese cardiologist with MBBS(UM) and MRCP(UK). In addition, the patient was being charged for 2 sessions of angiogram. sweat.gif

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I believe all doctors should be judged on individual basis, regardless of where they graduated from. As i have said many times before, in most developed countries (including Singapore), one is not allowed to display his/her qualification with place of origin in bracket, which is being practiced in Msia. No matter how famous a medical school is, there will always be bad apples, just that they might be less.

Ever heard of a case of a session of angiogram being done across the span of 2 days, with guide wire taped to patient's thigh after the first day as there was no catheter available in the hospital? This happened to one of my mom's friends who went to a private hospital in Kedah, and angiogram was performed by a chinese cardiologist with MBBS(UM) and MRCP(UK). In addition, the patient was being charged for 2 sessions of angiogram. sweat.gif
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obviously ignorant about the difference between adhoc and sequential PTI.......... biggrin.gif

why don't you do some more research as to the difference, and why this case happens this way...... biggrin.gif

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obviously ignorant about the difference between adhoc and sequential PTI.......... biggrin.gif

why don't you do some more research as to the difference, and why this case happens this way...... biggrin.gif
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PTI? Pardon the interruption? Or do you mean PCI (percutaneous coronary intervention)

I guess you are the ignorant one eh? What if organisms gain entry via the femoral atery? Also being charged twice for a session of angiogram? As i have stated above, the reason for this to happen was due to the shortage of catheter needed to inject the dye, and the particular doctor only realised that after inserting the guide wire into patient's femoral artery. Then, patient was asked to go home, instead of being observed in the hospital for possible signs of infection.

Mind you, only coronary angiography was being done, no balloon or stent was involved.

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typo........

from the facts of the case, it appears then a problem with the hospital, and the managers of the cath lab, rather than the doctor......

also this sometimes happens when specific catheters are required due to the configuration of the anatomy, which may not be stocked by especially small medical centers........

i think you will need to get more information about this particular before pointing fingers.......and the fingers will mostly point at the medical centre, not the doctor.......charging is done by the hospital.......and that is another big issue.......the ballooning of private healthcare costs, and the increasing charges in private hospitals.......(and i might add, shrinking doctors income in some cases)....doctors are as much victims as patients.....

this has nothing to do with the issue at hand......ie quality and competency of young doctors in msia.......
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Is anybody currently studying medicine overseas? Is it a good choice? Do you have any recommandation? Which overseas medical school is the best? In term of fee structure as well..
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Well, many ply their route to Russia or Indonesia to study. To get to view of how good is the university you could go here.

http://www.smc.gov.sg/html/1153709442948.html

This is the list of university recognized by Singapore and its criteria is more strict than in Malaysia. I don't know if this politically motivated or its actually a fact but not even one Russian university is recognized. So only go to university that is recognized. Australia is one of the better place to study with competitive fees.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2009, 11:01 AM)
typo........

from the facts of the case, it appears then a problem with the hospital, and the managers of the cath lab, rather than the doctor......

also this sometimes happens when specific catheters are required due to the configuration of the anatomy, which may not be stocked by especially small medical centers........

i think you will need to get more information about this particular before pointing fingers.......and the fingers will mostly point at the medical centre, not the doctor.......charging is done by the hospital.......and that is another big issue.......the ballooning of private healthcare costs, and the increasing charges in private hospitals.......(and i might add, shrinking doctors income in some cases)....doctors are as much victims as patients.....

this has nothing to do with the issue at hand......ie quality and competency of young doctors in msia.......
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Again, being ignorant, or just plain lack of knowledge.

How can the patient be sent home with the guide wire being taped to the thigh? What if secondary infection occurs? What if the guide wire cause endothelial damage to the vessel? Also before doing any procedure, shouldn't the performing doctor make sure that all necessary equipments were available? In addition, the doctor could have just referred the patient to another hospital for the completion of the procedure.

If i am not mistaken, a complaint has been filed by the patient to the MMC.

Therefore, don't generalize, but judge the doctors based on individual performance.

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2009, 09:19 AM)
like said, it has become a numbers game.......

no, if you graduate from a scheduled (ie recognised under section 13/2 of the medical act), you are registrable.......and that list contains a lot of doggy unis........

to make matters worse, a backdoor exist.....if you graduate from unscheduled uni ie not recognised (section 13/3), you can sit for an exam, pitched at 4th year level, and if you pass, get registered......many cannot pass after multiple attempts (allowed 3), and the gov has now 'absorbed' them into ipta medical schools, for 'retraining'.......
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why does the gov wants to absorb the bad students into ipta med schools back? compassion? shouldn't they just ditch them or encourage them find another carreer? i never knew there was such thing...no wonder there are agents in msia sending students to romania, czech republic etc....
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yes, i am ignorant and lack knowledge about the specifics of the case, since details are not forthcoming therefore it is not possible to make more than general comments....but i can see the glee in the eyes.....

some people however are very quick to pass judgement....


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why does the gov wants to absorb the bad students into ipta med schools back? compassion? shouldn't they just ditch them or encourage them find another carreer? i never knew there was such thing...no wonder there are agents in msia sending students to romania, czech republic etc....
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politics.....many have strong connections with the politicians.... nod.gif

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2009, 05:03 PM)
yes, i am ignorant and lack knowledge about the specifics of the case, since details are not forthcoming therefore it is not possible to make more than general comments....but i can see the glee in the eyes.....


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politics.....many have strong connections with the politicians.... nod.gif
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Not enough details? Why dun you tell me under what circumstances guide wire can be left in people's femoral artery for a day without admission to the hospital?

Glee?? Yes, indeed. biggrin.gif Not that i enjoy insulting you, just that your lack of knowledge along with your claim as an experienced doctor grad from UM amuse me. tongue.gif

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are you sure it is a guide wire and not something else? you saw it? info from the doctor or a lay person patient/relative?.....sure it is femoral?.....i suggest you get your facts right first.......

i think i know what happened, but that would be speculating....

there is NOT enough hard facts about the case, but if you insist on making unwarranted conclusions on the case as a means to insult me, it's okay.......just shows you belligerent personality........that's all.....

like said i foresee problems with relationships with peers and superiors in future.......

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2009, 05:19 PM)
are you sure it is a guide wire and not something else? you saw it? info from the doctor or a lay person patient/relative?.....sure it is femoral?.....i suggest you get your facts right first.......

i think i know what happened, but that would be speculating....

there is NOT enough hard facts about the case, but if you insist on making unwarranted conclusions on the case as a means to insult me, it's okay.......just shows you belligerent personality........that's all.....

like said i foresee problems with relationships with peers and superiors in future.......
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Judging me again eh?

The facts were narrated by the patient, after seeking 2nd opinion from another cardiologist. Therefore, a complaint has been filed, and legal action might be taken against that particular hospital for charging twice.

Why dun you share your thought on the possible scenario?

Insulting you?? Nah, just trying to give you the taste of your own medicine. You have insulted many under the banner of "Stating the Truth".

If your logic is right, i guess you dun have a good peer and superior relationship also.

BTW, who's the one calling people ignorant regarding the facts on adhoc and sequential "PTI" when he himself doesn't know the abbreviation for percutaneous coronary intervention? rolleyes.gif

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yes judging you.......i think it all openly obvious to all........based on what is written here.......the personal attacks....

my comments to others here is based simply on the principle that people who are not qualified should not attempt to do medicine by hook or by crook.......if the fact that one hasn't got the necessary qualification to do medicine is insulting, well, what to do, facts are facts.....nothing personal........

i have degraded myself by becoming 'personal' with you here......therefore i will stop here, and go back to impersonal mode, and only make comments based on basic principals and facts.......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2009, 05:39 PM)
yes judging you.......i think it all openly obvious to all........based on what is written here.......the personal attacks....

my comments to others here is based simply on the principle that people who are not qualified should not attempt to do medicine by hook or by crook.......if the fact that one hasn't got the necessary qualification to do medicine is insulting, well, what to do, facts are facts.....nothing personal........

i have degraded myself by becoming 'personal' with you here......therefore i will stop here, and go back to impersonal mode, and only make comments based on basic principals and facts.......
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Let's put that aside. Why dun you share your thought on the case scenario i have provided? I thought you said doctor/medical student should always look for opportunity to learn.

BTW, dun always hide under the banner of "Stating the facts" and "nothing personal". Many in this forum have been offended by you. If you want to judge the others, pls have the balls to admit it. doh.gif
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Is IMU recognised by the s'porean?
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factual reply: mbbs(imu) no........
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factual reply: mbbs(imu) no........
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no facts available to make factual reply........
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IMU only recognized if you get to UK or others which recognized by SMU in your twinning year. So it actually kinda recognized by SMU.
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IMU only recognized if you get to UK or others which recognized by SMC in your twinning year. So it actually kinda recognized by SMC.
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IMU only recognized if you get to UK or others which recognized by SMU in your twinning year. So it actually kinda recognized by SMU.
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those who go through the pms stream do NOT graduate from imu........they graduate from the respective pms........so if you don't tell, nobody will know you came from imu........

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no facts available to make factual reply........
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Then what was all the noise about then? blink.gif I posted up a real case scenario, and you ridiculed me and called me ignorant.

If you have no facts in hand, by all means pls be quiet. rolleyes.gif
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Well thats the best thing about IMU. But does everyone get to do oversea or only top 50 for example get there?

Also, I think this argument really got to stop. Agree to disagree anyone?
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need facts of the particular case, not hearsay........don't gossip........
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Well thats the best thing about IMU. But does everyone get to do oversea or only top 50 for example get there?

Also, I think this argument really got to stop. Agree to disagree anyone?
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I think that before you enter IMU, they will ask you whether you are opting for the PMS route or the IMU-S'ban route. So as long as you choose the PMS route, I would think that you will get a place to study oversea.
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Well thats the best thing about IMU. But does everyone get to do oversea or only top 50 for example get there?

Also, I think this argument really got to stop. Agree to disagree anyone?
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one chooses the stream on entry, and generally cannot change after that.......

if one is in the pms stream, and passes all the exams, one is GUARANTEED a place in one of the pms......

but be warned, failure rate is high, on average 20+% fails eos2 (1st year exam), and by the 5th semester, only about 60-70% are left from the intake........

i have stopped the personal arguments already.......pointless.......


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I think that before you enter IMU, they will ask you whether you are opting for the PMS route or the IMU-S'ban route. So as long as you choose the PMS route, I would think that you will get a place to study oversea.
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so how many made it to the end out of the total who started, in your cohort?

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need facts of the particular case, not hearsay........don't gossip........
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Isn't that your strong point?

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okay....time out......

we are all victims of politics, and the harm divisive politics does to all, not just in terms of race relations, but in all areas of human endeavour, where such divisive policies permeates to mess up things.......

just had a chat with a professor of surgery in one of the iptas........such policies extends to 'force' passing very poor quality students......one of whom in the finals, did NOT know the normal ranges of a fbc result........

welcome to bodohland......... biggrin.gif
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for those contemplating applying to work in spore, this is some info just obtained through personal communication with a spore based msian doctor.....

the recent change in uk immigration laws has resulted in a marked increase in msian uk graduates applying and working in spore......

in addition, the recent recognition of um and ukm by smc has resulted in many fresh graduates from these two unis applying to do their housemanship in spore........which is still 1 year, while it is now 2 years of 'slavery' in msia.......

i need not add which ethnicity these will be......

these will be your likely competitors.......
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Look who's the gossip king here.

Why the double standard now?
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find the difference between personal knowledge and hearsay.......
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find the difference between personal knowledge and hearsay.......
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So info obtained from the party involved is hearsay to you? When legal action is about to be taken, it's a hearsay to you too, Gossip King? sweat.gif doh.gif

So the info you obtained from your "doctor" friends are not hearsay? Do you know the definition of hearsay?

Technically, All the things we claim here are mostly hearsay, unless you can back it up with hard evidence.

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experiencing oneself is personal knowledge (present at exam, receiving new doctors graduates from uk).......not being present at an event, in this case a procedure, is hearsay......
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experiencing oneself is personal knowledge (present at exam, receiving new doctors graduates from uk).......not being present at an event, in this case a procedure, is hearsay......
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So you are implying that you were in the exam where a student failed to give you normal values of FBC. And you were there in Singapore to witness a marked increase in msian uk graduates applying and working in spore??

Hmmm. Inconsistent again. biggrin.gif
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i don't know why i bother, the info came from people who have first hand knowledge of these facts........

you either take note of the info as presented in good faith, or just ignore it if you think they are incorrect....others may find them useful.....

i give up.....argue just for the sake of arguing.......good luck to your future.......

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...training hospitals are in another country and the arrangements are primarily for the financial gain of the other partner?
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If you are referring to the place where I am currently studying, here are some counter-questions and answers for you.
Firstly, What is wrong with having the training hospital in another country? or better yet, having the entire program conducted abroad?

Tell me if it is any different from having other Malaysian students studying medicine in various medical faculties around the world. Don't they need a training hospital in those countries? (just think of IMU-PMS, for instance).

The same goes with the financial gain that the foreign universities benefit from having our students studying in their universities. Or do you expect Malaysians to be allowed to study there for a minimal fee or perhaps free of charge? What benefit would they get out of that?

For your information, the program structure for MBBS in India may not be the same with other MBBS programs outside of India.

To get the MBBS in India, one needs to study for 4.5 years. Then followed by 1 year of internship in an approved hospital in India (becomes of a Houseman in India for 1 year). Only after that, one can be considered a Medical officer and may proceed to apply for specialization (MD) training.

Here is my program structure:

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Now, Malaysian students have to serve in Indian hospitals for 1 year as a houseman, and then return to Malaysia and serve for another 2 years of housemanship in government hospitals. As you can see, those that study in India will have an additional 1 year of training / experience as a houseman.

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what does JPA and MARA know about good medical training anyway? all they want to see is that their sponsored students, who are none the wiser with regards to what a good medical training should be, are fit and well and happy with their training.
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JPA and MARA are the sponsors for many medical students studying abroad. They will consult with MMC regarding the "good medical training" available abroad or by IPTS in Malaysia prior to sending their sponsored students.

For example, MMC have been continuously assessing the quality of the institution and MBBS program conducted in my place for over 3 years now, the most recent visit by them was on January. They came and made assessment as well as giving seminars.

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Dr. Hj Wan Mazlan Bin Mohd. Woojdy - Secretary for the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC)

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Mr.Perumal a/l Chinnaya - Legal Officer for the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC)



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From the left: Dr. Hj Wan Mazlan Bin Mohd. Woojdy, Mr.Nicky Tenant (my classmate), Mr.Perumal a/l Chinnaya, and Datuk Dr.Abdul Gani bin Mohammed Din (Our Dean for the MSU-International Medical School)


Additional Note regarding our Dean:
Datuk Dr.Abdul Gani bin Mohammed Din,
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He is one of the individuals that oversees and responsible for the development of MSU-IMS.



As Limeuu previously stated, MARA and JPA are not involved in the assessment of Medical institutions of higher learning, however both will refer to MMC regarding that matter.

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there were instances where jpa sent students to med schools in japan, which were not formally recognised by mmc.......that posed a bit of headache for mmc when they returned and wanted to get registered...... biggrin.gif ......they had to quickly assessed these med schools, and recognised them!

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one chooses the stream on entry, and generally cannot change after that.......

if one is in the pms stream, and passes all the exams, one is GUARANTEED a place in one of the pms......

but be warned, failure rate is high, on average 20+% fails eos2 (1st year exam), and by the 5th semester, only about 60-70% are left from the intake........

i have stopped the personal arguments already.......pointless.......


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so how many made it to the end out of the total who started, in your cohort?
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Limeuu, I am not sure how many are there in my batch who successfully graduated. One have to take into consideration of those that choose to go to PMS. So a final estimate of no. of students that manage to graduate is hard to come by.

Anyway based on IMU sem 1 to sem 5, out of 120+ students, only about 100+ of my batchmates remain to proceed to their clinical phase.
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i am referring to those who successfully twin to a pms after sem 5, out of the initial cohort of pms students.......excluding the local stream cohort......

me206 pms stream ended with 110+ twinning off, out of some 150 starting........
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I would say about 40+ left to do their clinical training locally.
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that means 60+ went off to pms........a small group......what batch are you? i know people from me203........
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just giving the approx. to be honest I am not entirely sure about the no. of students... Im from m203 batch too...
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looks like lyn had crashed, and there has been loss of data for the last 24+ hours.......

anyway, info from mbchb noted.......
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do you know the current medt109 has about 300+ students. IMU has come a long way since its conception in pj.

and celion, go look through the IMU thread. since you're new, IMU is not recognised by many other countries. However, I have one batch mate whom is an australian citizen, plans to finish 5 years here, take the australian entrance exam to see if he can practice there. I dont know if this works though.
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do you know the current medt109 has about 300+ students. IMU has come a long way since its conception in pj.

and celion, go look through the IMU thread. since you're new, IMU is not recognised by many other countries. However, I have one batch mate whom is an australian citizen, plans to finish 5 years here, take the australian entrance exam to see if he can practice there. I dont know if this works though.
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i look through the IMU website and it claims if u graduating in Ireland (means u took the twinning), u can apply for housemanship there and UK too. It is also available for US/Canada graduates to apply it in US. Aus/NZ never mentioned. sweat.gif
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If I took IMU Med for 5 yrs no twinning, can I still work oversea after graduated?
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I think the regulation and rule of GMC are changed and updated.Click and find out yourself,if you interested to practice in UK.

GMC(General medical council):
http://www.gmc-uk.org/information_for_you/imgs/index.asp

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simple answer is YES.......in sri lanka........ biggrin.gif

mbbs (imu) recognised only in msia and sri lanka.......
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QUOTE(MBBS siang @ Feb 25 2009, 05:21 PM)
I think the regulation and rule of GMC are changed and updated.Click and find out yourself,if you interested to practice in UK.

GMC(General medical council):
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all right, i checked it....IMU appeared in the AVICENNA Directories which means the graduates there can apply to practice there.
but i think it is not easy to get in there... sweat.gif
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all right, i checked it....IMU appeared in the AVICENNA Directories which means the graduates there can apply to practice there.
but i think it is not easy to get in there... sweat.gif
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Read the immigration rules also. doh.gif
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i think the days of img (international medical graduates) getting into uk to work with relative ease is gone......and there are now considerable obstacles in the way, both in getting registration with gmc, and in actually getting a job offer, and a work visa.......

if one is serious about working there, the only reliable option is to graduate from a med school there itself, either direct entry or through imu......and then, it's only the 2 foundation years that job is assured......after that, if the immigration laws continue in the present trend, the prospect of staying on and work is also getting slimmer........


Added on February 25, 2009, 6:29 pmin any case, being in the avicenna directory just means one can apply to sit for the plab exam, not that you can automatically apply to work there......

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Would u happen to know the passing rate of PLAB?

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limeuu: Is topical steroid cream for treatment of phimosis available in the pharmacy or any general practitioner's clinic? Someone I know suspect he's suffering from it. He's 18 by the way.
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i think the days of img (international medical graduates) getting into uk to work with relative ease is gone......and there are now considerable obstacles in the way, both in getting registration with gmc, and in actually getting a job offer, and a work visa.......

if one is serious about working there, the only reliable option is to graduate from a med school there itself, either direct entry or through imu......and then, it's only the 2 foundation years that job is assured......after that, if the immigration laws continue in the present trend, the prospect of staying on and work is also getting slimmer........


Added on February 25, 2009, 6:29 pmin any case, being in the avicenna directory just means one can apply to sit for the plab exam, not that you can automatically apply to work there......
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Graduates from aimst can take plab test or not?
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Would u happen to know the passing rate of PLAB?

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1. dunno.

2. topical steroids for phimosis only works for infants and small children. It is unlikely to work for adults. sunat is required...... biggrin.gif


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Graduates from aimst can take plab test or not?
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dunno.....their website is not specific........email them if you want to know.....

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topical steroids for phimosis only works for infants and small children. It is unlikely to work for adults. sunat is required...... biggrin.gif
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sweat.gif Seriously? I helped him to check on the internet and many states that adults are also using it and are cured.

Is it available in pharmacies or must go to GP's clinic to buy the cream?


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1. dunno.

2. topical steroids for phimosis only works for infants and small children. It is unlikely to work for adults. sunat is required...... biggrin.gif


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dunno.....their website is not specific........email them if you want to know.....
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Added on February 25, 2009, 8:26 pmThis is the email from GMC,uk.For who have the same doubt with me.Hopefully,in future aimst will be in the list of medical school which is eligible for registration.haha.... rclxms.gif

Dear Mr/Ms Tan



Thank you for your email of 22 January 2009.



Primary Medical Qualifications (PMQ) awarded by Asian Institute of Medicine, Sciences and Technology, Malaysia are not currently acceptable for the purposes of applying for provisional or full registration. This means that these degrees are also not accepted for the purposes of taking the Professional and Linguistic Assessment Board (PLAB) test.



We currently recognise most, but not all, of the (PMQs) listed in the Avicenna Directory (formerly the WHO Directory of medical schools) as acceptable for the purposes of registering to practise as a doctor in the UK. You can find the directory at



http://avicenna.ku.dk/database/who_directory/



An acceptable PMQ is one which has:

* been awarded by an institution which is listed in the Avicenna Database or otherwise accepted by the GMC
* been awarded by an institution which has a physical address included in the Avicenna Directory.
* been awarded after a course of study comprising of at least 5,500 hours (or four years full time equivalent study)
* not involved a course of study undertaken wholly or substantially outside the country that awarded the PMQ
* not involved a course of study undertaken wholly or substantially by correspondence

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sweat.gif Seriously? I helped him to check on the internet and many states that adults are also using it and are cured.

Is it available in pharmacies or must go to GP's clinic to buy the cream?
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they are available in pharmacies but they are POM, and under scheduled poisons, so can only LEGALLY be dispensed under the prescription of a registered medical practitioner.......but the law has never stopped msian pharmacies from selling all kinds of scheduled poisons freely without prescriptions......... biggrin.gif

i would recommend going to see a doctor to get a proper diagnosis, rather than self medicate.......especially drugs like steroids.......

the chance of a significant phimosis being 'cured' in adulthood with steroids is very small........it depends on what one means by 'cure'....... biggrin.gif
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they are available in pharmacies but they are POM, and under scheduled poisons, so can only LEGALLY be dispensed under the prescription of a registered medical practitioner.......but the law has never stopped msian pharmacies from selling all kinds of scheduled poisons freely without prescriptions......... biggrin.gif

i would recommend going to see a doctor to get a proper diagnosis, rather than self medicate.......especially drugs like steroids.......

the chance of a significant phimosis being 'cured' in adulthood with steroids is very small........it depends on what one means by 'cure'....... biggrin.gif
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According to him, can only 'retract' partially even when 'flaccid'. He was like that since young and apparently, he didn't know the 'difference' until recently. biggrin.gif I'll tell him to go c a doc then. laugh.gif
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According to him, can only 'retract' partially even when 'flaccid'. He was like that since young and apparently, he didn't know the 'difference' until recently. biggrin.gif I'll tell him to go c a doc then.  laugh.gif
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Circumcision will solve the problem in most cases. No worries, only small matter. smile.gif
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The other day I told him so. The moment he heard sunat, it looks like the end of the world for him. sweat.gif Something about less sensitive. brows.gif Is there any other viable alternative other than sunat? Non-invasive ones.
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The other day I told him so. The moment he heard sunat, it looks like the end of the world for him. sweat.gif Something about less sensitive. brows.gif  Is there any other viable alternative other than sunat? Non-invasive ones.
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Circumcision is the most ideal treatment for him. Dun think there's another better treatment. Perhaps you can ask THE experienced Um grad doctor here. drool.gif

BTW, circumcision is good one, can "Tahan" longer. brows.gif

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less sensitive has the side effect of therefore, more lasting.....which to some may be advantageous.....

no impact really, the fastest growing population group in the world have all been 'desensitised'.........
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less sensitive has the side effect of therefore, more lasting.....which to some may be advantageous.....

no impact really, the fastest growing population group in the world have all been 'desensitised'.........
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So there's no other alternative other than sunat? I read something about preputioplasty.


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celion thats for twinning, 5 year mbbs as mentioned earlier is sri lanka and malaysia.

i highly doubt you can enter any other country.

there's this Singaporean ruling. if you graduate from UM you can apply to work in singapore, however if you completed your specialist training here you'll be rejected.

for PMC even if your degree is from Ireland, you're still no accepted in singapore. mainly, the clinical years matter the most. and its then and there you'll learn the art of medicine. where else the place where you've covered the science of it is not really the deciding factor.
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celion thats for twinning, 5 year mbbs as mentioned earlier is sri lanka and malaysia.

i highly doubt you can enter any other country.

there's this Singaporean ruling. if you graduate from UM you can apply to work in singapore, however if you completed your specialist training here you'll be rejected.

for PMC even if your degree is from Ireland, you're still no accepted in singapore. mainly, the clinical years matter the most. and its then and there you'll learn the art of medicine. where else the place where you've covered the science of it is not really the deciding factor.
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if you are referring to monash msia, it will also NOT be recognised by gmc and smc...........

although it is recognised by amc, you have no right to work in oz..........
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if you are referring to monash msia, it will also NOT be recognised by gmc and smc...........

although it is recognised by amc, you have no right to work in oz..........
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than wad college/uni's mbbs recognized worldwide? (in malaysia)

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non

recognition is by individual country, there is NO qualification from any country that is 'recognised worldwide'..........

so which country are you interested to gain registration in?
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non

recognition is by individual country, there is NO qualification from any country that is 'recognised worldwide'..........

so which country are you interested to gain registration in?
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non of msian ipta medical degrees are recognised in oz/nz.....

non of ipts EXCEPT monash msia is recognised.......

note however, that having a recognised degree and the right to work are two separate issues........

the first is by regulatory bodies ie amc or nzmc........and the second is by immigration.......

ie, for any foreigner to be allowed to work, he must have a visa that allows him to stay there and work.....the usual visa is the permanent resident visa, but there are several other categories of work visas that may be granted.......

therefore, for fresh raduates of monash msia, they may get provisional registration with amc, but have no automatic right to work there......and based on current points requirements, will NOT have enough points to qualify for a pr visa........
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non of msian ipta medical degrees are recognised in oz/nz.....

non of ipts EXCEPT monash msia is recognised.......

note however, that having a recognised degree and the right to work are two separate issues........

the first is by regulatory bodies ie amc or nzmc........and the second is by immigration.......

ie, for any foreigner to be allowed to work, he must have a visa that allows him to stay there and work.....the usual visa is the permanent resident visa, but there are several other categories of work visas that may be granted.......

therefore, for fresh raduates of monash msia, they may get provisional registration with amc, but have no automatic right to work there......and based on current points requirements, will NOT have enough points to qualify for a pr visa........
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there is the backdoor entry......sit for the qualification tests conducted by amc.......however, i am not sure what the restrictions are nowadays.....previously, one must be a 'landed immigrant' (ie already holds a pr visa) to be eligible to sit.......and one will not have enough points to apply for a pr unless one's degree is recognised......so it is catch 22......

i think people here needs to realise it is getting increasingly difficult to get cross country registration for doctors......the mushrooming of new med schools doesn't help, they will just NOT allow you to even sit, eg, aimst is NOT recognised at all by gmc for eligibility to sit for plab (the uk qualification exam)...........

in any case, why the obsession with 'work overseas'?.....local med schools are supposed to train doctors for msia........not oz.......

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there is the backdoor entry......sit for the qualification tests conducted by amc.......however, i am not sure what the restrictions are nowadays.....previously, one must be a 'landed immigrant' (ie already holds a pr visa) to be eligible to sit.......and one will not have enough points to apply for a pr unless one's degree is recognised......so it is catch 22......

i think people here needs to realise it is getting increasingly difficult to get cross country registration for doctors......the mushrooming of new med schools doesn't help, they will just NOT allow you to even sit, eg, aimst is NOT recognised at all by gmc for eligibility to sit for plab (the uk qualification exam)...........

in any case, why the obsession with 'work overseas'?.....local med schools are supposed to train doctors for msia........not oz.......
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see, i'm not hate this country but i always want to experience the life outside msia
i wish to study oversea too but the money issue prevented me
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don't do medicine if one wants to have a good chance of studying and working overseas.......developed countries are MOST strict about foreign doctors, compared to all other professions.....for obvious reasons.....

there are so many twinning programmes where one can get 1 or 2 years experience in oz, and they don't cost that much, as part of the programme is done locally.......
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don't do medicine if one wants to have a good chance of studying and working overseas.......developed countries are MOST strict about foreign doctors, compared to all other professions.....for obvious reasons.....

there are so many twinning programmes where one can get 1 or 2 years experience in oz, and they don't cost that much, as part of the programme is done locally.......
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afaik monash do not have twinning too bad~
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i was referring to non-medical courses.......eg, commerce, engineering, computing etc.......lots of twinning available......

get your priorities right.......you want to do medicine, or you want to study/work overseas?........

you can't do both if you have no money.....

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i was referring to non-medical courses.......eg, commerce, engineering, computing etc.......lots of twinning available......

get your priorities right.......you want to do medicine, or you want to study/work overseas?........

you can't do both if you have no money.....
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there is the backdoor entry......sit for the qualification tests conducted by amc.......however, i am not sure what the restrictions are nowadays.....previously, one must be a 'landed immigrant' (ie already holds a pr visa) to be eligible to sit.......and one will not have enough points to apply for a pr unless one's degree is recognised......so it is catch 22......

i think people here needs to realise it is getting increasingly difficult to get cross country registration for doctors......the mushrooming of new med schools doesn't help, they will just NOT allow you to even sit, eg, aimst is NOT recognised at all by gmc for eligibility to sit for plab (the uk qualification exam)...........

in any case, why the obsession with 'work overseas'?.....local med schools are supposed to train doctors for msia........not oz.......
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1. Specialist training opportunity. Non-bumis have to wait forever to secure a place for postgrad courses conducted in Msia.

2. Housemanship in Msia = slavery. Developed countries tend to have more relaxed schedules and higher salary compared to Msia.


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Fees: RM225,500.00 -corrected..2009

Twinning program: None

Location of main campus:
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UNIVERSITY COLLEGE SEDAYA INTERNATIONAL (UCSI)[/u]
Program offered: MD (UCSI)
Duration: 5 Years (Full time in Malaysia)
Fees: RM225,500.00 -corrected..2009

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Location of main campus:
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hmm. just asking i tot manipal is already not recognised in msia? may i noe wht is mmc?
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Thanks, corrected~
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Manipal will never be derecognised by MMC. Manipal malaysian graduates took up nearly 30% of doctor practising in malaysia. If they riot, whole medical system will go haywire


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Its now rm 280,000 with only 20 students this year. pathetic
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20 students only?
hmmm... perhaps they have a second intake? 20 students/batch - too few.
20 x RM280000 = RM5.6M~ ohhh~ UCSI management team is going to have one hell of a headache~ laugh.gif


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20 students only?
hmmm... perhaps they have a second intake? 20 students/batch - too few.
20 x RM280000 = RM5.6M~ ohhh~ UCSI management team is going to have one hell of a headache~  laugh.gif


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i guess utar mbbs also expensive than ucsi, is about 50k per year... overall 250k for the whole mbbs with about 50students getting in each batch i guess.... but utar is new in this field...
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hi i'm 18 this year,just finished my spm last year,

ok..,i want to take mbbs when i finished my STPM(i havent start the stpm programme yet),the problem is that i did not take biology at spm level though i was a science stream student(replaced it with engineering drawing),
so my question is,can i pursue mbbs with just biology in stpm?
pls help me
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hi i'm 18 this year,just finished my spm last year,

ok..,i want to take mbbs when i finished my STPM(i havent start the stpm programme yet),the problem is that i did not take biology at spm level though i was a science stream student(replaced it with engineering drawing),
so my question is,can i pursue mbbs with just biology in stpm?
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yes........

in fact some med school do not need biology, but require chemistry as a requisite.........
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yes........

in fact some med school do not need biology, but require chemistry as a requisite.........
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Better to take biology... Ask your 6th form school wether they let you take biology...
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Better to take biology... Ask your 6th form school wether they let you take biology...
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i have already asked a form 6 teacher,she said can,just need to score below 18 points,then she add:in fact no one will kacau you when you are choosing the subject you wanted, only STPM has this magic),lol.and its true,other pre-u programme rejected me and to be sure the form 6 teacher was right,i had check the stpm requirements
i will surely take biology at STPM smile.gif,no consideration!,i'm now studying spm level biology(got to finish it before june!)
i plan to study mbbs at New Castle..it is recognised by msia and uk,or NUS (if i ever get into -.-)
i quote this sentence from newcastle website:
NUMed Malaysia is fully engaged with both the GMC and the MMC in ensuring that its provision is fully accredited in both the UK and Malaysia.
their requirements are very high though..3A's,include biology and two science subjects, excluding PA

to be honest,its not that bad to work in malaysia,no teruk bencana alam ,no kurang air,no kurang electricity,just kurang good government tongue.gif
if governments are good,no more rempit,no more lazy bones in government office,no more Namewee idiotic videos,no more "tak apa punya" and the list goes on...

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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Jan 23 2010, 01:15 PM)
i have already asked a form 6 teacher,she said can,just need to score below 18 points,then she add:in fact no one will kacau you when you are choosing the subject you wanted, only STPM has this magic),lol.and its true,other pre-u programme rejected me and to be sure the form 6 teacher was right,i had check the stpm requirements
i will surely take biology at STPM smile.gif,no consideration!,i'm now studying spm level biology(got to finish it before june!)
i plan to study mbbs at New Castle..it is recognised by msia and uk,or NUS (if i ever get into -.-)
i quote this sentence from newcastle website:
NUMed Malaysia is fully engaged with both the GMC and the MMC in ensuring that its provision is fully accredited in both the UK and Malaysia.
their requirements are very high though..3A's,include biology and two science subjects, excluding PA

to be honest,its not that bad to work in malaysia,no teruk bencana alam ,no kurang air,no kurang electricity,just kurang good government tongue.gif
if governments are good,no more rempit,no more lazy bones in government office,no more Namewee idiotic videos,no more "tak apa punya"  and the list goes on...
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The degree being recognised by GMC doesn't mean you're able to work in UK. With the current british imigration ruling, it's almost near to impossible to attain a working PR there. And it's a way tougher path that you can imagine, it takes years and lots of money and efforts.
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The degree being recognised by GMC doesn't mean you're able to work in UK. With the current british imigration ruling, it's almost near to impossible to attain a working PR there. And it's a way tougher path that you can imagine, it takes years and lots of money and efforts.
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well i just wish i could do my mbbs there..never though about getting PR at UK,i was hoping to get PR in Aus or Singa,want to be as close as possible with my family
it would be fine also to work here blush.gif

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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Jan 23 2010, 05:51 PM)
well i just wish i could do my mbbs there..never though about getting PR at UK,i was hoping to get PR in Aus or Singa,want to be as close as possible with my family
it would be fine also to work here  blush.gif
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If you're confident, try applying to aus/UK universities directly. But in this case, Alvls would do you much better than STPM.
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If you're confident, try applying to aus/UK universities directly. But in this case, Alvls would do you much better than STPM.
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cannot la.. too expensive,twining programme cost half a million, if straight entry to foreign uni, no doubt almost
a million rclxub.gif i don't want my parents to bear that much...i'm not born with silver spoon! sad.gif
like i said,other pre-u programme rejected me,unless i don"t want to take biology subject sweat.gif

i was told by my friends this morning that they saw some adults taking biology examination during spm exam(they guessed that they are retakers),
i so want to avoid retaking if possible tongue.gif

is cellular simillar to organelle? rclxub.gif
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direct entry into uk med school is only marginally more expensive than through imu........and may be quite similar to newcastle msia.......

if getting a pr in oz is the intention, then graduating with an oz mbbs would be ideal..........in which case, sam/ausmat may be a more appropriate pathway.......
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[quote=limeuu,Jan 24 2010, 07:54 PM]
direct entry into uk med school is only marginally more expensive than through imu........and may be quite similar to newcastle msia.......

if getting a pr in oz is the intention, then graduating with an oz mbbs would be ideal..........in which case, sam/ausmat may be a more appropriate pathway.......
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i can also persue my course in aus using stpm cert,i choose to take stpm because:

1.i can further my study in local or foreign university
2.i enjoy school life much more than college life whistling.gif
3.my parents paid income tax every year,if possible,i should use government money to study tongue.gif
4. my brother and sister both went to college after spm,i want to try something new(all my relatives go college rclxub.gif )
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the main problem with stpm is, you will spend 2 years, and another year waiting to start uni in oz........your stpm results will come out in march/april, and you will need to wait till the following february before you can enter oz unis........all oz med schools have only one intake......in february.......and you need 3a's to have any realistic chance of direct entry........


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STPM results come out in April, Med school in Australia starts in Feb, that's almost 8 months to get some work and earn some money in Malaysia (pathetic as it is) before a chance to go and study in Australia.

3A's would probably give you a shot at the 2nd tier public medical schools (I know someone with 3A's in STPM doing UMS' MD), which is essentially a scholarship (where else can you get a medical degree for ~RM1300 a semester/RM20,000 all in) anyway!
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STPM results come out in April, Med school in Australia starts in Feb, that's almost 8 months to get some work and earn some money in Malaysia (pathetic as it is) before a chance to go and study in Australia.

3A's would probably give you a shot at the 2nd tier public medical schools (I know someone with 3A's in STPM doing UMS' MD), which is essentially a scholarship (where else can you get a medical degree for ~RM1300 a semester/RM20,000 all in) anyway!
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about the 3A's in stpm,i will try my best la nod.gif,aiming 4 flat though whistling.gif

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add in taylor's
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ya,taylor also offer md course and its twinning programme
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I have added Taylor's University College Medical School in the list. (see first page)
Twinning program is done with the following universities:

-St.Georges University, London. (MBBS, 5 years program)
-Universitas Kristen Krida Wacana (UKRIDA), Indonesia. (MD, 6 years program)
-Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic. (MuDR, 6 years program)


If anyone knows the exact fee for the program conducted there, do inform me.
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Hey guys, do anyone of you know if the Medical Degree (MD) in UCSI is recognise by the Malaysian Medical Council? Cause I visited the MMC website and I did not see UCSI's MD listed over there. I heard JPA sent some of their scholars there to do med. But i just want to know if UCSI is recognise for their medical degree
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"is recognised", not "is recognise"

sure it's recognised. read the previous posts abt similar issues.


Added on February 19, 2010, 2:54 pmhaha, they have repeated so many times to the extent that i can almost regurgitate what they have said word by word to you, but this will only encourage spoon feeding.



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Oh lol sorry miss out on that post tongue.gif ok thanks


Added on February 19, 2010, 4:25 pm
QUOTE(hypermax @ Jan 14 2009, 01:28 AM)
Alright, allow me to clarify the situation.
If a local private U grad intends to work in Singapore, he has to obtain a recognized post-grad qualification (eg, MRCP (UK), FRCAP and etc). Click here for more detail.
For US, UK, and AUS, one has to pass the licensing exam for the respective country.
However, to appear for the the above mentioned licensing exams, one's degree has to be listed in IMED.

Some may say that licensing exams are difficult, but according to many of my seniors, if you can't pass, you are not qualified to be a doctor.
MRCP(UK) on the other hand, is difficult and expensive.

Currently, the recognized private medical colleges in Msia are:
1. IMU
2. PMC
3. MMMC
4. Perak Medical
5. AIMST

Therefore for those wishing to pursue a career in medicine, it's better to opt for the above mentioned college to avoid the unnecessary hassles. However, i strongly suggest to pursue a medical degree in the 1st world countries, if money is not a concern for you.
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I've actually considered all these med schools but I notice some setbacks in pursuing medicine for these respective unis. Firstly, PMC is kinda ex as the pre-clinical years are completed at Dublin, Ireland. As for AIMST, chances of admission is kinda low seeing that they give first priorities to their Foundation students - unless you scored 4 A's for your A-Levels, you have a higher chance of getting admitted. IMU I find the tuition fees quite reasonable (about 350k) but I'm not exactly sure if they will charge you more for additional fees (which im not surprised if they do). Plus, competition is high, thus achieving good grades may not be sufficient for admission into IMU for MBBS. As for Manipal, I'm not quite sure about this med school - i do know the fees are also quite reasonable though. UniKL Royal College of Medicine Perak also has reasonable cost fees but I'm not sure about the lecturers there - as i think this med school is relatively new compared to other unis.

Thus my prob come down to these. Its either too expensive or the uni is too prestigious and popular to the point that gaining admission is rather difficult or the uni is too new and i doubt the quality of their medical degree. Please i would appreciate some help in this unsure.gif . Do recommend me which uni to go.

My budget is between 300k to 350k. My results for my A-Levels which i'm aiming is 1A, 2B's. Oh yea by the way im completing my A-Levels by JANUARY 2011 and the sub i took are Chemistry, Biology and Mathematics.

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cannot la 1A2B, try getting higher can or not?!
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cannot la 1A2B, try getting higher can or not?!
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people have got into imu medicine with this.........

people have got into imu dentistry with bbb...........
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people have got into imu medicine with this.........

people have got into imu dentistry with bbb...........
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wow for real? BBB still got chance for admission @ IMU for MBBS? I though with the level of prestige and its high reputation along with the increasing competitiveness, gaining admission for IMU would be deadly hard.

Actually I'm willing to work hard for a place @ IMU. A,B,B is just the minimum result I HOPE to achieve. If possible i m trying for A,A,B. Hey limeuu, just curious are u an IMU student?
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good luck cgan.

limeuu mentioned ppl got into dentistry with BBB, not mbbs i think.

cgan: what makes u wanna be a doctor? passion? nothing better to do? or $? or the perceived fame and respect?
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interest does play a large part of it. not so the money. as a matter of fact parents are not too happy for me to do med. With reasons that life is difficult as a doctor in Malaysia, and doctors are no richer than engineers, lawyers, pharmacist, dentist, etc. im a person who love to make a difference - and i guess i dream to make am impact to the healthcare system in Malaysia. Though one person can't do much, collectively a change can be made. Many ppl today have lost hope of the healthcare in Malaysia and many doctors today prefer to migrate to other countries, eg australia, where they can certainly earn big bucks and enjoy a higher quality of life. i am well aware of the difficulties in being a doctor here. but i do want to make a diff in my part
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you should consider joining political parties...
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damn.

that was good statement man. use it in an interview lol

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interest does play a large part of it. not so the money. as a matter of fact parents are not too happy for me to do med. With reasons that life is difficult as a doctor in Malaysia, and doctors are no richer than engineers, lawyers, pharmacist, dentist, etc. im a person who love to make a difference - and i guess i dream to make am impact to the healthcare system in Malaysia. Though one person can't do much, collectively a change can be made. Many ppl today have lost hope of the healthcare in Malaysia and many doctors today prefer to migrate to other countries, eg australia, where they can certainly earn big bucks and enjoy a higher quality of life. i am well aware of the difficulties in being a doctor here. but i do want to make a diff in my part
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good to hear that. All the best in your journey. =)
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Feb 21 2010, 02:20 PM)
you should consider joining political parties...
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doh.gif sweat.. i kena bomb at lowyat forum pulak. embarrassing sial


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QUOTE(cgan @ Feb 21 2010, 02:01 PM)
interest does play a large part of it. not so the money. as a matter of fact parents are not too happy for me to do med. With reasons that life is difficult as a doctor in Malaysia, and doctors are no richer than engineers, lawyers, pharmacist, dentist, etc. im a person who love to make a difference - and i guess i dream to make am impact to the healthcare system in Malaysia. Though one person can't do much, collectively a change can be made. Many ppl today have lost hope of the healthcare in Malaysia and many doctors today prefer to migrate to other countries, eg australia, where they can certainly earn big bucks and enjoy a higher quality of life. i am well aware of the difficulties in being a doctor here. but i do want to make a diff in my part
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about the doctors are not richer than engineers...it is so not true -.- doh.gif
any way,good luck thumbup.gif
cygan,i assumed you took your Alevels this year,since you said at 2011 you would complete your Alevel.i'm taking STPM this year.aiming to be a doctor too..but my reason is totally different than yours tongue.gif

if you really want to make a difference,try not to get ABB doh.gif math che and bio are core sucjects if you want to become a doctor.be like me aim all A smile.gif

ATTENTION TO ALL STUDENTS WHO TOOK SPM YEAR 2009!!!RESULT WILL BE RELEASED AT 16 MARCH 2010

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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Feb 23 2010, 07:17 PM)
ATTENTION TO ALL STUDENTS WHO TOOK SPM YEAR 2009!!!RESULT WILL BE RELEASED AT 16 MAY 2010
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that cannot be right.......it should be out in next month..........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 23 2010, 08:00 PM)
that cannot be right.......it should be out in next month..........
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LOL OMG ITS MARCH NOT MAY<SORRY ERROR ,corrected


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people have got into imu medicine with this.........

people have got into imu dentistry with bbb...........
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ppl who took SAM with TER 80++ also got into dentistry and medicine...


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ppl who took SAM with TER 80++ also got into dentistry and medicine...
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Yea basically at the end of the day, one has to always try to score as high as possible for their pre-u or else be prepared to reconsider on some other options, other than MBBS or BDS cause entering into med and dental is one thing, while staying and passing exams in med/dental school is another (i know a few frens who drop out cause they just cant cope). But one thing is certain:

passion + hardwork = success biggrin.gif

To epplegaara: I actually took my A-Levels last year - July intake smile.gif . cause i kena national service second batch
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soo.. you did 18 months Alevel??

is it true a lot of medicine student drop out half way course?

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soo.. you did 18 months Alevel??

is it true a lot of medicine student drop out half way course?
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Yea. That is memang the duration for A-Levels - 18 months. Er.. about the medical students dropping out, its better u ask limeuu. he would know better cause im also just an A-Level student. But what I can say on my part is I know 4 friends who drop out during their clinical years. And they are quite bright students - 11 A's at least for their SPM. But i guess they just din have the interest to study med. After all intelligence alone may not get u far when it comes to studyin med. the passion must be there
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Yea. That is memang the duration for A-Levels - 18 months. Er.. about the medical students dropping out, its better u ask limeuu. he would know better cause im also just an A-Level student. But what I can say on my part is I know 4 friends who drop out during their clinical years. And they are quite bright students - 11 A's at least for their SPM. But i guess they just din have the interest to study med. After all intelligence alone may not get u far when it comes to studyin med. the passion must be there
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Mind to tell where did they drop out from? They got kicked out or they voluntarily quit the course.

And "passion" is over-rated ler, lol.

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Yea. That is memang the duration for A-Levels - 18 months. Er.. about the medical students dropping out, its better u ask limeuu. he would know better cause im also just an A-Level student. But what I can say on my part is I know 4 friends who drop out during their clinical years. And they are quite bright students - 11 A's at least for their SPM. But i guess they just din have the interest to study med. After all intelligence alone may not get u far when it comes to studyin med. the passion must be there
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there is 11 months Alevel rolleyes.gif
not every college offer it,e.g disted stamford in penang offers 11 or 18 months Alevel
mind telling me your SPM result tongue.gif just curious

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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Feb 24 2010, 06:43 PM)
soo.. you did 18 months Alevel??

is it true a lot of medicine student drop out half way course?
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I can say for certain that some bright students (straight A's SPM / 4.00 CGPA Matriculation) - upon entering MBBS program - like to slack-off, didn't go for lectures and clinical postings, like to play more than studying, etc etc...

Not many of them though... as a result, some of these students failed their professional exam or got barred from taking the exam due to attendance shortage and have to repeat year...



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people drop out for many reasons.......and whatever reasons it is, it's bad for a country's healthcare manpower needs.........it cost a lot of money to train a doctor (and hence the high fees when fully charged), the later a student quits, the more money already spent and wasted.........

which is why well managed countries choose their med students carefully, one of the requirements being a low risk of the student quitting.......and the more matured the student, the less likely......which is why some countries have graduate entry med programmes......eg us and 1/2 of oz unis........

people loose interest, finds other things they rather do..........that's the usual reasons people in well managed countries drop out for........

the one reason people should NOT drop out for, is INABILITY to cope with the course, for it means poor selection process.........mediocre students who cannot withstand the rigors of the demanding course......

and guess what happens when a 3rd world med school is coupled with oecd clinical schools.......like imu.......a high drop out rate........

the other oddity in some countries (msia particularly, but also india) is people forced to do medicine by their parents........and some of this group will rebel by purposely flunking out, although they are intellectually able..........
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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Feb 24 2010, 08:03 PM)
there is 11 months Alevel  rolleyes.gif
not every college offer it,e.g disted stamford in penang offers 11 or 18 months Alevel
mind telling me your SPM result  tongue.gif just curious
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I sat my SPM in 2008. I got 10 A's. Haha but its only 4A1 6A2 tongue.gif . Guess I was too playful during my form 5


Added on February 25, 2010, 11:47 amTrue. I guess before one really pursue a medical degree that person has to see if he/she is really interested in med and has the brains for it (or not, at least the willingness for plenty of sacrifice and hardwork). Just as brains may not be sufficient for one to do well in med, sadly passion may also not be sufficient as well. Its a combination of brains and interest.


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QUOTE(cgan @ Feb 25 2010, 11:35 AM)
I sat my SPM  in 2008. I got 10 A's. Haha but its only 4A1 6A2  tongue.gif . Guess I was too playful during my form 5


Added on February 25, 2010, 11:47 amTrue. I guess before one really pursue a medical degree that person has to see if he/she is really interested in med and has the brains for it (or not, at least the willingness for plenty of sacrifice and hardwork). Just as brains may not be sufficient for one to do well in med, sadly passion may also not be sufficient as well. Its a combination of brains and interest.
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yeah combination of both is needed. It doesn't mean that you're failure if you do other courses. Like limeuu said, in particular Chinese families, they tend to have a thinking that their sons and daughters/ grandsons and granddaughters must be doctors/dentists/lawyers to be successful. Other than that, they are failures. I'm a chinese but my parents just let me choose my own career, but the older generation will definitely have that kind of thinking ie grandparents or other aunts/uncles.

To have an idea of what's inside medicine, try going to a medical library and flip through some of the books, eg biochemistry, embryology, AnP, pharmaco etc etc. Get an idea what you're going into and then reflect whether you are still interested in all these.

But I have to admit, the uni experience in Aus and in Msia is very very different. Esp in terms of the medical course. but yeah, this is off topic. =P
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Not all family does that. Mine doesn't...

There is once my mom ask me why do i choose to study medicine, why not engineering. If i choose engineering, I'll be sure get a place in IPTA, and they can spend the money to travel or investment. This question is asked when UPU rejected my aplication tp IPTA medic...

Until now I still doesn't have the answer. And I'm happy that I'm in a med school.
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Feb 26 2010, 08:43 AM)
yeah combination of both is needed. It doesn't mean that you're failure if you do other courses. Like limeuu said, in particular Chinese families, they tend to have a thinking that their sons and daughters/ grandsons and granddaughters must be doctors/dentists/lawyers to be successful. Other than that, they are failures. I'm a chinese but my parents just let me choose my own career, but the older generation will definitely have that kind of thinking ie grandparents or other aunts/uncles.

To have an idea of what's inside medicine, try going to a medical library and flip through some of the books, eg biochemistry, embryology, AnP, pharmaco etc etc. Get an idea what you're going into and then reflect whether you are still interested in all these.

But I have to admit, the uni experience in Aus and in Msia is very very different. Esp in terms of the medical course. but yeah, this is off topic. =P
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Absolutely true but nowadays more and more parents had become more open minded toward their children own career. smile.gif
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But I have to admit, the uni experience in Aus and in Msia is very very different. Esp in terms of the medical course. but yeah, this is off topic. =P
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as someone who has the rare privilege of experiencing med school both in msia and oz, perhaps you can share some of your observations with us, in the med student thread......... smile.gif
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Is Cyberjaya Medical University good? I'm thinking of going for foundation if i score well for my SPM this year.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 26 2010, 01:43 PM)
as someone who has the rare privilege of experiencing med school both in msia and oz, perhaps you can share some of your observations with us, in the med student thread......... smile.gif
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yeah,share with us rclxms.gif ,in med student thread,i so want to know the differences
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Manipal University

Kasturba Medical College and Melaka Manipal Medical College (MMMC) campus site.
Some picture taken from Manipal Campus in India during my visit there.


I've been to Manipal (India Campus) last december for an event there (LAGENDA 2009). I can't tell you much about the workings of the college there since I'm not an MMMC student.

Manipal town is quite a distance from Bangalore. The road to Manipal from bangalore - is terrible, took me full 12 hours to reach there.

Campus is quite big and very nice. The Manipal town is not as busy as Bangalore, calm but the weather there is VERY hot. I was sweating all day when I was there (Bangalore is cold but dusty and dry).

Food is somewhat cheaper than in the major cities in Karnataka (an Indian State where Manipal Uni is located). Seafood is easily available, there is even teh tarik (Malaysian version) and Nasi lemak being sold in the campus cafeteria (this is something that I envy a lot - since my campus don't have such food).

but Pictures speak louder than words..

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Is Cyberjaya Medical University good? I'm thinking of going for foundation if i score well for my SPM this year.
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I am the first year medical student in Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences(CUCMS), currently in second sem(Pharmacology block).

I don't know how to judge a medical school but base on my experience in here, this medical school is really amazing and awesome to me. Here, we are not spoon fed by our lecturers. We use Student Centered Team Learning (SCTL) method. We will always need to prepare for the class everyday without any help from the lecturers but depends on our team. We have our own team for each SCTL module and we need to present and explain the things we prepared before class. During the class, lecturers will give further explanation on the topic discussed and correct the wrong answer that we give.

Here, we use block system. That mean each subjects itself is a block and duration of each subject varied from 4 to 5 weeks. We have weekly test which consist of 25-30MCQ(T/F) to make sure we study and get what we learn in a week. Our final exam will be on every month of the particular subject and the exam consist of SBQ, SAQ, and EMQ. If the subject is a lab based subject , we will need to have the practical exam(OSPE).

For the first semester and half of the second semester of the MBBS programme, we are introduced with the basic medical sciences like Anatomy,Physiology,Biochemistry&nutrition, Pathology, Behavioral sciences, Medical microbiology, and pharmacolgy. The second half of the second semester until the end of the second year will be the systemic medical sciences like endrocrine system, musculoskeletal system, cardiovascular system and so on. Some infectious and topical diseases will also introduced in the second year.

From the second half of the second sem until the end of the second year, we will learn in the way of PBL, CST ,Lectures, and SCTL. The exam format will be the same as first year but in systemic medical sciences, the final exam will also consist of OSCE(Objective Structured Clinical Exam).

For the professional exam, second year will have a professional exam and there are two professional exam in clinical years. In order to proceed from medical sciences years to clinical years, you need to pass the professional exam in second year. Everyone have only 2 chances to fail the year. 1 in medical phase and 1 in clinical phase. That mean the maximum for you to graduate is 7 years. If you fail the medical years twice, you will be bye bye from our Uni. Whoever caught cheating will be expelled from the uni.

Our lecturers have very strong academic background with good experience in medical education. We currently have 42 lecturers in faculty of medicine.

Prof Hamdan is previously taught in UPM and he is our physiology lecturer( Oxford Phd)-He is my mentor right now,

Prof latif is ex-deputy dean of IMU-CVS lecturer and clinical lecturer (cardiologist in hospital An-nur),

Prof Nasarudin is the ex-lecturer in UKM-Anatomy lecturer(Currently is the Deputy dean of medicine in CUCMS),

Prof Hatta saharom-ex lecturer of UKM (Dean of medicine in CUCMS)-behavioral sciences and psychiatry lecturer ,

Prof. Dr. Abdul Rashid Abdul Rahman (FRCP Edinburgh)-cardiologist( clinical lecturer) and so on .

You can go to our uni website. There are a lot of details about all our lecturers. http://www.cybermed.edu.my/cucms-web/index.jsp

Our teaching hospital are:
Hospital KL, Putrajaya Hospital, Serdang Hospital, Sepang Medical center, An-nur hospital, Terendak military hospital( Our clinical subjects got military medicine)

We are going to move to the new campus very soon.

Hope all this info can help. Anything just PM me. smile.gif

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I am the first year medical student in Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences(CUCMS), currently in second sem(Pharmacology block).

I don't know how to judge a medical school but base on my experience in here, this medical school is really amazing and awesome to me. Here, we are not spoon fed by our lecturers. We use Student Centered Team Learning (SCTL) method. We will always need to prepare for the class everyday without any help from the lecturers but depends on our team. We have our own team for each SCTL module and we need to present and explain the things we prepared before class. During the class, lecturers will give further explanation on the topic discussed and correct the wrong answer that we give.

Here, we use block system. That mean each subjects itself is a block and duration of each subject varied from 4 to 5 weeks. We have weekly test which consist of 25-30MCQ(T/F) to make sure we study and get what we learn in a week. Our final exam will be on every month of the particular subject and the exam consist of SBQ, SAQ, and EMQ. If the subject is a lab based subject , we will need to have the practical exam(OSPE).

For the first semester and half of the second semester of the MBBS programme, we are introduced with the basic medical sciences like Anatomy,Physiology,Biochemistry&nutrition, Pathology, Behavioral sciences, Medical microbiology, and pharmacolgy. The second half of the second semester until the end of the second year will be the systemic medical sciences like endrocrine system, musculoskeletal system, cardiovascular system and so on. Some infectious and topical diseases will also introduced in the second year.

From the second half of the second sem until the end of the second year, we will learn in the way of PBL, CST ,Lectures, and SCTL. The exam format will be the same as first year but in systemic medical sciences, the final exam will also consist of OSCE(Objective Structured Clinical Exam).

For the professional exam, second year will have a professional exam and there are two professional exam in clinical years. In order to proceed from medical sciences years to clinical years, you need to pass the professional exam in second year. Everyone have only 2 chances to fail the year. 1 in medical phase and 1 in clinical phase. That mean the maximum for you to graduate is 7 years. If you fail the medical years twice, you will be bye bye from our Uni. Whoever caught cheating will be expelled from the uni.

Our lecturers have very strong academic background with good experience in medical education. We currently have 42 lecturers in faculty of medicine.

Prof Hamdan is previously taught in UPM and he is our physiology lecturer( Oxford Phd)-He is my mentor right now,

Prof latif is ex-deputy dean of IMU-CVS lecturer and clinical lecturer (cardiologist in hospital An-nur),

Prof Nasarudin is the ex-lecturer in UKM-Anatomy lecturer(Currently is the Deputy dean of medicine in CUCMS),

Prof Hatta saharom-ex lecturer of UKM (Dean of medicine in CUCMS)-behavioral sciences and psychiatry lecturer ,

Prof. Dr. Abdul Rashid Abdul Rahman (FRCP Edinburgh)-cardiologist( clinical lecturer) and so on .

You can go to our uni website. There are a lot of details about all our lecturers. http://www.cybermed.edu.my/cucms-web/index.jsp

Our teaching hospital are:
Hospital KL, Putrajaya Hospital, Serdang Hospital, Sepang Medical center, An-nur hospital, Terendak military hospital( Our clinical subjects got military medicine)

We are going to move to the new campus very soon.

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It looks like CUCMS really expanded compared to 2 years ago... Larger staff group, larger campus...

From what I heard, students there study like mad. Btw, I have a ex-classmate in there, one of the hardworking students.
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Thanks for that.

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QUOTE(Gorila_ @ Feb 28 2010, 08:38 PM)
It looks like CUCMS really expanded compared to 2 years ago... Larger staff group, larger campus...

From what I heard, students there study like mad. Btw, I have a ex-classmate in there, one of the hardworking students.
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Not really" study like mad". We also take part in many extra-curricular activities like drama, medical related program( basic medical check up in kampung, orang asli, and so on.) I am one of the student who active in these activities and we are actually organizing a medical related program for my town(Pontian,Johor). I am the project manager for this but still I am one of the top student in my batch.

Not try to show off here but just wanna say, if you study efficiently and arrange your time properly. There is no reason to study like mad. tongue.gif
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Anyone could recommend me any other universities to apply for medicine ?

I'm going to apply for AIMST ,
but just to be safe if there's any other universities being affordable yet having dedicated and good lecturers ?

Just wanna have a few options for me , and I would really be grateful if anyone could share some advice or experience with the universities.

Thank you.
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Anyone could recommend me any other universities to apply for medicine ?

I'm going to apply for AIMST ,
but just to be safe if there's any other universities being affordable yet having dedicated and good lecturers ?

Just wanna have a few options for me , and I would really be grateful if anyone could share some advice or experience with the universities.

Thank you.
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CUCMS.....All the info had been listed and described above. If you are interested and wanna know more about our uni, don't hesitate to ask. tongue.gif


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CUCMS.....All the info had been listed and described above. If you are interested and wanna know more about our uni, don't hesitate to ask. tongue.gif
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Oh yea! UTAR, MAHSA, UCSI.......their fees are quite affordable but UTAR and MAHSA will recruit their 1st batch students in this year. If you are joining,you will be the pioneer batch which is a guinea pig for them. blush.gif

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CUCMS.....All the info had been listed and described above. If you are interested and wanna know more about our uni, don't hesitate to ask. tongue.gif


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Oh yea! UTAR, MAHSA, UCSI.......their fees are quite affordable but UTAR and MAHSA will recruit their 1st batch students in this year. If you are joining,you will be the pioneer batch which is a guinea pig for them.  blush.gif
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Can i know what's your thought about being the pioneer batch for UTAR ? It's quite recognized already these years as there's been many improvements in their universities.
Anyhow , every university will need to have a pioneer batch. Hehe
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Studying medicine is very stressful at most times...
However... there are times to fool around... otherwise one would be insane studying non-stop...

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Studying medicine is very stressful at most times...
However... there are times to fool around... otherwise one would be insane studying non-stop...

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Want to learn osteology up-close, in India, one can get human bones cheaply...
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It's fun and interesting picture. Good job senior! biggrin.gif
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Osteology or anatomy? haha. Good for ortho postings as well.
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 6 2010, 12:33 AM)
Osteology or anatomy? haha. Good for ortho postings as well.
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Studied osteology under anatomy last time.

Bones are still lying around my room, now I'm reusing them for forensic medicine and orthopedics.
Its also good for pranking other people as well...

eg; in the past we put the skull in lying around in corridors and see the reactions of the passerby (non-medical ppl) or putting the skull in the college elevator and wait for people (non-medical college staff) to use the elevator from other floor and hear their reactions from ground-floor... very funny... laugh.gif

Try and invent some funny ideas during your med school...
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Docs don't prank people. Isn't it? Haha.
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Hehe , but playing with bones creating jokes/pranks.

Don't you think it's kinda disrespectful ?...as in the dead person ? =.=
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I am the first year medical student in Cyberjaya University College of Medical Sciences(CUCMS), currently in second sem(Pharmacology block).

I don't know how to judge a medical school but base on my experience in here, this medical school is really amazing and awesome to me. Here, we are not spoon fed by our lecturers. We use Student Centered Team Learning (SCTL) method. We will always need to prepare for the class everyday without any help from the lecturers but depends on our team. We have our own team for each SCTL module and we need to present and explain the things we prepared before class. During the class, lecturers will give further explanation on the topic discussed and correct the wrong answer that we give.

Here, we use block system. That mean each subjects itself is a block and duration of each subject varied from 4 to 5 weeks. We have weekly test which consist of 25-30MCQ(T/F) to make sure we study and get what we learn in a week. Our final exam will be on every month of the particular subject and the exam consist of SBQ, SAQ, and EMQ. If the subject is a lab based subject , we will need to have the practical exam(OSPE).

For the first semester and half of the second semester of the MBBS programme, we are introduced with the basic medical sciences like Anatomy,Physiology,Biochemistry&nutrition, Pathology, Behavioral sciences, Medical microbiology, and pharmacolgy. The second half of the second semester until the end of the second year will be the systemic medical sciences like endrocrine system, musculoskeletal system, cardiovascular system and so on. Some infectious and topical diseases will also introduced in the second year.

From the second half of the second sem until the end of the second year, we will learn in the way of PBL, CST ,Lectures, and SCTL. The exam format will be the same as first year but in systemic medical sciences, the final exam will also consist of OSCE(Objective Structured Clinical Exam).

For the professional exam, second year will have a professional exam and there are two professional exam in clinical years. In order to proceed from medical sciences years to clinical years, you need to pass the professional exam in second year. Everyone have only 2 chances to fail the year. 1 in medical phase and 1 in clinical phase. That mean the maximum for you to graduate is 7 years. If you fail the medical years twice, you will be bye bye from our Uni. Whoever caught cheating will be expelled from the uni.

Our lecturers have very strong academic background with good experience in medical education. We currently have 42 lecturers in faculty of medicine.

Prof Hamdan is previously taught in UPM and he is our physiology lecturer( Oxford Phd)-He is my mentor right now,

Prof latif is ex-deputy dean of IMU-CVS lecturer and clinical lecturer (cardiologist in hospital An-nur),

Prof Nasarudin is the ex-lecturer in UKM-Anatomy lecturer(Currently is the Deputy dean of medicine in CUCMS),

Prof Hatta saharom-ex lecturer of UKM (Dean of medicine in CUCMS)-behavioral sciences and psychiatry lecturer ,

Prof. Dr. Abdul Rashid Abdul Rahman (FRCP Edinburgh)-cardiologist( clinical lecturer) and so on .

You can go to our uni website. There are a lot of details about all our lecturers. http://www.cybermed.edu.my/cucms-web/index.jsp

Our teaching hospital are:
Hospital KL, Putrajaya Hospital, Serdang Hospital, Sepang Medical center, An-nur hospital, Terendak military hospital( Our clinical subjects got military medicine)

We are going to move to the new campus very soon.

Hope all this info can help. Anything just PM me. smile.gif
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Manipal University

Kasturba Medical College and Melaka Manipal Medical College (MMMC) campus site.
Some picture taken from Manipal Campus in India during my visit there.
I've been to Manipal (India Campus) last december for an event there (LAGENDA 2009). I can't tell you much about the workings of the college there since I'm not an MMMC student.

Manipal town is quite a distance from Bangalore. The road to Manipal from bangalore - is terrible, took me full 12 hours to reach there.

Campus is quite big and very nice. The Manipal town is not as busy as Bangalore, calm but the weather there is VERY hot. I was sweating all day when I was there (Bangalore is cold but dusty and dry).

Food is somewhat cheaper than in the major cities in Karnataka (an Indian State where Manipal Uni is located). Seafood is easily available, there is even teh tarik (Malaysian version) and Nasi lemak being sold in the campus cafeteria (this is something that I envy a lot - since my campus don't have such food).

but Pictures speak louder than words..

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Hey~ there is also a very nice beach there too...

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I couldn't upload more pictures, there is a limit as to the number of picture I can upload perpost.
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Eh MBBS Siang last time when we got our STPM result, you say you haeading to Russia. What happen?
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Long time ago. Due to some proper consideration. So,I turn down the offer and feel good now because I didn't go. biggrin.gif

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Hehe , but playing with bones creating jokes/pranks.

Don't you think it's kinda disrespectful ?...as in the dead person ? =.=
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... I dont know anymore.

I think I have reached a point where I treat death as part of me, even finding it funny to a certain extent...

I go to lab, I see human skull and bones...
I go to forensic medicine lab / mortuary... I see dead people being cut open...
I go to pathology lab... more organs, limbs, etc
I go to clinical postings... again dead people lying cold waiting to be claimed...

Hell.... even in my house, even next to my bed - human skull as my paperweight/decoration...
Come here and study medicine... you will know what I'm talking about...

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Curious here, how do you feel like studying Medicine most of the time? Is it OMGAJKXZJAJSWBX hard or OMG this is hard but i can do this. Thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Mar 6 2010, 07:39 PM)
... I dont know anymore.

I think I have reached a point where I treat death as part of my me, even finding it funny to a certain extent...

I go to lab, I see human skull and bones...
I go to forensic medicine lab / mortuary... I see dead people being cut open...
I go to pathology lab... more organs, limbs, etc
I go to clinical postings... again dead people lying cold waiting to be claimed...

Hell.... even in my house, even next to my bed - human skull as my paperweight/decoration...
Come here and study medicine... you will know what I'm talking about...
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Yup , i understand your situation. Is just like things are pretty....used to already eh ?
I had a friend working as a doctor ; and after many years he said that he's starting to lose sympathy of others already because of seeing too many people dying everyday. Sigh.
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It's not difficult, just that lots of time needed to be poured into books. Also, scarifices needed to be made during your clinical years.
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It's not difficult, just that lots of time needed to be poured into books. Also, scarifices needed to be made during your clinical years.
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Hey senior! I think you will going to clinical year soon. Should be very interesting and challenging. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 6 2010, 09:34 PM)
It's not difficult, just that lots of time needed to be poured into books. Also, scarifices needed to be made during your clinical years.
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Really? Is there a lot of calculations? Sorry, i'm too curious now.
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Really? Is there a lot of calculations? Sorry, i'm too curious now.
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Not calculations , but more like facts to remember. I guess
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Yup, there's very less on calculations. Memorizing facts, good clinical applications and to a certain extent of common sense are most likely to be needed in the field of medicine.

And hey MBBS Siang, i'm already in my clinical year. smile.gif
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QUOTE(csrulez @ Mar 7 2010, 01:27 PM)
Yup, there's very less on calculations. Memorizing facts, good clinical applications and to a certain extent of common sense are most likely to be needed in the field of medicine.

And hey MBBS Siang, i'm already in my clinical year. smile.gif
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Wow! Nice one. Hope to reach the clinical year soon. biggrin.gif


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Wow! Nice one. Hope to reach the clinical year soon. biggrin.gif
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Mind to share your experience in clinical years? Should be very interesting and challenging. biggrin.gif

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it isn't really a burden if you enjoy the course, but i agree, you'll find yourself buried in book. It's a mix of memorizing and understanding. =)
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Anyone aware of any medical university around Putrajaya ? Having difficulties finding the actual name of the university
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In clinical medicine, instead of purely concentrating on the theory part, you get to see real life scenarios which of course, is far more interesting. However, you need to having a strong command on basic sciences and also basic clinical skills, eg. history taking and clinical examination.
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Anyone aware of any medical university around Putrajaya ? Having difficulties finding the actual name of the university
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I don't think there is any medical school in Putrajaya. biggrin.gif
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I don't think there is any medical school in Putrajaya. biggrin.gif
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Hmm , weird coz someone claims that he's studying there ; somesort . or many near to Putrajaya.
the fees about RM 250,000.00 for MBBS btw... ahem

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Hmm , weird coz someone claims that he's studying there ; somesort . or many near to Putrajaya.
the fees about RM 250,000.00 for MBBS btw... ahem
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I think you are refering to CUCMS, its in cyberjaya.
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I think you are refering to CUCMS, its in cyberjaya.
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I think I'll just try looking for him , asking him. Hehe much better...ahem.

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I think I'll just try looking for him , asking him. Hehe much better...ahem.
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The only medical school which near to putrajaya is CUCMS with the course fees of RM250k.

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arrgghh.. SPM result will out this thursday >.<

hey cyber,i got the taylors medicine course fees on last week education fair,RM118,300 per year in taylors university while 9,900 pound per year in UK partner university~
cost of living is excluded~!

just to let you guys know,when i asked a promoter from Melaka Manipal Medical college about their medicine course,the first question she asked me was: Do you have RM300k? wth??-.-

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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Mar 8 2010, 02:55 PM)

just to let you guys know,when i asked a promoter from Melaka Manipal Medical college about their medicine course,the first question she asked me was: Do you have RM300k? wth??-.-
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because the most important criteria to enter ipts med schools is money.....no money, no talk lah......

that is why people with money but lousy results can still enter med schools.......

believe me, the 'promoter' will have seen MANY cases of very good students who have interest, got offered places, but failed to secure financing, and have to give up the offer (or even drop out of the course.....)

therefore, the most important thing is having the money to finish the course.....not your results.......
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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Mar 8 2010, 02:55 PM)
hey cyber,i got the taylors medicine course fees on last week education fair,RM118,300 per year in taylors university while 9,900 pound per year in UK partner university~
cost of living is excluded~!
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thats quite expensive. almost 250k for 2 year in Taylors. you could completed an mbbs program in aimst/cucms/allianz/sedaya with that amount of money.
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Mar 8 2010, 04:50 PM)
thats quite expensive. almost 250k for 2 year in Taylors. you could completed an mbbs program in aimst/cucms/allianz/sedaya with that amount of money.
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yup,super expensive

i scanned the Taylors fee structure,check it out~

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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Mar 8 2010, 04:54 PM)
yup,super expensive
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ohh? that RM118K+ is actually for 2 years (4 sems) in Taylors, not RM250K.
Then it is still competitive.
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there is something wrong with the list.........the fees for uk is quoted as gbp9,900/year, and aud17k-22k ............that is incorrect........

uk fees should be between gbp18k-30k/year and oz fees aud 38k-44k/year.........
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Mar 8 2010, 05:10 PM)
ohh? that RM118K+ is actually for 2 years (4 sems) in Taylors, not RM250K.
Then it is still competitive.
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there is something wrong with the list.........the fees for uk is quoted as gbp9,900/year, and aud17k-22k ............that is incorrect........

uk fees should be between gbp18k-30k/year and oz fees aud 38k-44k/year.........
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hmm.. i got it from taylor's booth~ shocking.gif

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 8 2010, 06:36 PM)
there is something wrong with the list.........the fees for uk is quoted as gbp9,900/year, and aud17k-22k ............that is incorrect........

uk fees should be between gbp18k-30k/year and oz fees aud 38k-44k/year.........
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yeah i'm rather shock to see 17-22k for aus. it should be 40-44k now instead, it's rising every year. i think the cheapest is still in tassie, in 2011 it'll be 40k/year, correct me if i'm incorrect. The g8 has raised it to 42k-ish or so. living cost should be less than the estimated one too. 10-12k/year should be sufficient.
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yeah i'm rather shock to see 17-22k for aus. it should be 40-44k now instead, it's rising every year. i think the cheapest is still in tassie, in 2011 it'll be 40k/year, correct me if i'm incorrect. The g8 has raised it to 42k-ish or so. living cost should be less than the estimated one too. 10-12k/year should be sufficient.
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actually, the cheapest is still adelaide.........followed by newcastle........
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QUOTE(epplegaara @ Mar 8 2010, 08:45 PM)
oh.. my mistake then  doh.gif


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yeah i'm rather shock to see 17-22k for aus. it should be 40-44k now instead, it's rising every year. i think the cheapest is still in tassie, in 2011 it'll be 40k/year, correct me if i'm incorrect. The g8 has raised it to 42k-ish or so. living cost should be less than the estimated one too. 10-12k/year should be sufficient.
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Greetings , My name is Nat and im 18 this year. Just got my spm results yesterday. I scored well for all except for add math. To do medic the government has stated that one must get B4 for add math math and the 3 sciences right?. Um i didnt meet the requirement for addmath. I got a C. Hence if i were to do medic i;ve got to resit for my spm addmath paper or sit for the o;lvls in july. Im so over with this irritating subject and i dont wanna look back at it. So im wondering , what if i go to romania and come back and sit for the mmc exam. I heard that the mmc exam is a killer. i just need some guide , thanks in advance.

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QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 12 2010, 01:09 PM)
Greetings , My name is Nat and im 18 this year. Just got my spm results yesterday. I scored well for all except for add math. To do medic the government has stated that one must get B4 for add math math and the 3 sciences right?. Um i didnt meet the requirement for addmath. I got a C. Hence if i were to do medic i;ve got to resit for my spm addmath paper or sit for the o;lvls in july. Im so over with this irritating subject and i dont wanna look back at it. So im wondering , what if i go to romania and come back and sit for the mmc exam. I heard that the mmc exam is a killer. i just need some guide , thanks in advance.

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if you cannot even score the minimum b4 for the math and sciences at a simple exam like spm, you are NOT adequate material for being a doctor, please choose another profession.........seriously, there are almost 8000 straight a's students this spm........that is MORE than enough to provide the potential candidates for all the places for medicine...........
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limeuu seriously get a grip.
Btw i obtained 9a and 1c so yea c for add math. Anyways i would love to hear more about the mmc test. Anyone here took it before? How much does a fresh graduate earn with the government these days?
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QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 12 2010, 07:49 PM)
limeuu seriously get a grip.
Btw i obtained 9a and 1c so yea c for add math. Anyways i would love to hear more about the mmc test. Anyone here took it before? How much does a fresh graduate earn with the government these days?
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Cant even handle 10 subject, and you are trying for public university... Can you handle 5 subjects (13 papers) in STPM, and their Maths T is 20X harder than SPM add maths...

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limeuu just want to say, with C in add maths,doctor is not for you

but that dosent mean you can't be one,study hard in pre-u

choose/consider other profession during your pre-u/foudation studies....

limeuu and gorrila were not trying to discourage you,but its the FACT
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QUOTE(NatBass @ Mar 12 2010, 07:49 PM)
limeuu seriously get a grip.
Btw i obtained 9a and 1c so yea c for add math. Anyways i would love to hear more about the mmc test. Anyone here took it before? How much does a fresh graduate earn with the government these days?
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Also , something to add on if you think doctors earn big bucks you are totally wrong.
The basic pay of fresh graduates of doctor is only RM2000 with only additional RM80 every year.
Comparing with the amount of time and money you spent on the course ; do some calculations ^^.

However , if that's really your interest. I wish you best of luck, it'll be tough so do some research.

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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Mar 13 2010, 12:13 AM)
Also , something to add on if you think doctors earn big bucks you are totally wrong.
The basic pay of fresh graduates of doctor is only RM2000 with only additional RM80 every year.
Comparing with the amount of time and money you spent on the course ; do some calculations ^^.

However , if that's really your interest. I wish you best of luck, it'll be tough so do some research.
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Are you sure it's only RM 2K?
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It's around that sum of money 2k+ , if you wanna know confirm ask the doctors =).
Coz I've already asked.

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It's around that sum of money 2k+ , if you wanna know confirm ask the doctors =).
Coz I've already asked.
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there are a bit of allowances, so once added in, and minus the tax and epf, expect to take home 3+ to 4+k, depending on how many calls you have to do..........


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limeuu just want to say, with C in add maths,doctor is not for you

but that dosent mean you can't be one,study hard in pre-u

choose/consider other profession during your pre-u/foudation studies....

limeuu and gorrila were not trying to discourage you,but its the FACT
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having said what i did, one really should NOT be allowed to enter med school from spm..........so the pre-u is probably more important.......and yes, there is indeed still opportunity to redeem oneself.........

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 13 2010, 01:53 AM)
there are a bit of allowances, so once added in, and minus the tax and epf, expect to take home 3+ to 4+k, depending on how many calls you have to do..........


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having said what i did, one really should NOT be allowed to enter med school from spm..........so the pre-u is probably more important.......and yes, there is indeed still opportunity to redeem oneself.........
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hmm.. i need some advises,questions are listed below,
1.If i take twining programme,should i do Clinical years in malaysia or overseas?
2.If i graduate from any University listed in MMC recognition,only malaysia medical university,can i do my postgraduate overseas?
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hi, the 2nd question is a very typical thought most spm students will have.

theoretically you can definitely take up postgrad overseas, but it's very hard in reality.

you need to understand in order to do clinical postgrad, you should be licensed to practice in the country 1st, which generally will be full of obstacles if you are talking abt the 1st world countries.

If you managed to get the licence to practice, only then you will compete with other local applicants for post grad training, which is another hurdle.

life is not easy in medicine
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hi, the 2nd question is a very typical thought most spm students will have.

theoretically you can definitely take up postgrad overseas, but it's very hard in reality. 

you need to understand in order to do clinical postgrad, you should be licensed to practice in the country 1st, which generally will be full of obstacles if you are talking abt the 1st world countries.

If you managed to get the licence to practice, only then you will compete with other local applicants for post grad training, which is another hurdle.

life is not easy in medicine
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i decided to pursue MBBS/MD locally or twining then only go overseas to do postgraduate.

after that, come back to this country to work
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i decided to pursue MBBS/MD locally or twining then only go overseas to do postgraduate.

after that, come back to this country to work
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it is not what YOU decide that matters.........

it is the respective countries' policy of whether your qualification is recognised, that matters........
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I got 9As and B+ for BM. Am i on the right track to do medicine? Also is SPM still important to go into IMU(or any uni) if i take my A-lvls?
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I got 9As and B+ for BM. Am i on the right track to do medicine? Also is SPM still important to go into IMU(or any uni) if i take my A-lvls?
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go for it..........

spm is useless for imu, they will not bother to look at it..........you need a proper pre-u........

however for some places, they will gladly take you in with spm, if you got the dough........they may throw some 'foundation' course in for a few months to make it look less blatant........russia is well known for this........
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i decided to pursue MBBS/MD locally or twining then only go overseas to do postgraduate.

after that, come back to this country to work
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You can try USMLE. Its the fastest way for local grad to work abroad.
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what about question 1?
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Can anyone tell me more about MSU's MBBS ? Preferably MSU students ?
Is the MBBS program new there or what ?

Trying to compare with AIMST , CUCMS , MSU , and UCSI since all of them are about 200-300k.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Mar 18 2010, 11:13 PM)
Can anyone tell me more about MSU's MBBS ? Preferably MSU students ?
Is the MBBS program new there or what ?

Trying to compare with AIMST , CUCMS , MSU , and UCSI since all of them are about 200-300k.

Thanks.
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I believe.. I am the only one studying MBBS in MSU (India) in this sub-forum.

There are two MBBS program in MSU.
One being fully conducted in India (collaboration program) and the other one being conducted in Shah Alam (latest program).

As stated in the 1st page, it will cost RM450,000 for the Indian program (latest fee) and RM300,000 for the Malaysian program.
I have mentioned a little about MSU's MBBS program (India) in the first page.

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I believe.. I am the only one studying MBBS in MSU (India) in this sub-forum.

There are two MBBS program in MSU.
One being fully conducted in India (collaboration program) and the other one being conducted in Shah Alam (latest program).

As stated in the 1st page, it will cost RM450,000 for the Indian program (latest fee) and RM300,000 for the Malaysian program.
I have mentioned a little about MSU's MBBS program (India) in the first page.
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Hmm , can I know your personal opinion ; as in with RM450k you could go for a "more" reputable university like IMU , or maybe MMMC. But why prefer MSU ?
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Hmm , can I know your personal opinion ; as in with RM450k you could go for a "more" reputable university like IMU , or maybe MMMC. But why prefer MSU ?
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that is more expensive than monash msia/imu-local/mmmc....

but may not be qualified enough to get in these 'reputable' med schools.......
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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Mar 19 2010, 10:39 AM)
Hmm , can I know your personal opinion ; as in with RM450k you could go for a "more" reputable university like IMU , or maybe MMMC. But why prefer MSU ?
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MARA, the current sponsor for my MBBS studies, wants to sponsor me in MSU (India).
If I reject that offer, then it will be stupid of me to do so and then it would be my lost.

Besides, I already did my BSc.Biomedicine (hons) in MSU (Shah Alam) under JPA scholarship and I am familiar with the workings of my university.

So.. why not?


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that is more expensive than monash msia/imu-local/mmmc....

but may not be qualified enough to get in these 'reputable' med schools.......
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That is the latest fee by MSU for the Indian MBBS program.
It reflect the increase in fees by MS Ramaiah Medical College (MSU collaborate), which is now around USD120,000.

If you assume that studying medicine full-time abroad in India is cheap. Think again. See the fee structure for MBBS program in Kasturba Medical College (Manipal):

http://www.manipal.edu/InternationalStuden...erGraduate.aspx

...and limeuu, please don't come to a conclusion so fast as to weather a person is qualified to join the local medical IPTS or not without first knowing his/her academic results.

In MSU (India) campus now, JPA and MARA sponsored students make-up the majority of the students studying here and they are certainly not academically unqualified to do MBBS.

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as i understand, even if u're to complete ur whole degree (MBBS/MD) overseas.. it doesn't mean u're allowed to practice in that country or other countries although the programme is internationally recognized. again, it'll go back to the countries's pre-requisites n limitations...

for students interested in doing their postgraduate upon completion of the programme, UK offers this programme called The Foundation Programme, of which its a 2 years programme. however, if i'm not mistaken (mind me if i'm wrong).. there is its limitations into the programme. Applicants must be a graduate from a recognize EU medical faculty n etc...
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QUOTE(djcarmen @ Mar 22 2010, 10:20 AM)
for students interested in doing their postgraduate upon completion of the programme, UK offers this programme called The Foundation Programme, of which its a 2 years programme. however, if i'm not mistaken (mind me if i'm wrong).. there is its limitations into the programme. Applicants must be a graduate from a recognize EU medical faculty n etc...
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fy1 and fy2 are the equivalents of the housemanship in msia......in fact, they started the 2 year housemanship first, and msia followed recently.........

that has NOTHING to do with postgraduate training........


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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Mar 19 2010, 03:58 PM)

...and limeuu, please don't come to a conclusion so fast as to weather a person is qualified to join the local medical IPTS or not without first knowing his/her academic results.

In MSU (India) campus now, JPA and MARA sponsored students make-up the majority of the students studying here and they are certainly not academically unqualified to do MBBS.

i said 'may'........i make no presumption or conclusion on any individuals, unless of course their spm/pre-u results are revealed........

getting into ipts med schools is easy, especially the newer ones.......the hardest to get in are monash and imu-pms, but even so, there are lots of people who failed to get direct entry into uk/oz who easily got into monash and imu.........so they are also 'easy' relatively.....

and being some scholars in the msian context does not necessarily mean good students.......it may surprise people to learn that the failures in the infamous eos2 and 3 of imu are mostly scholars..........

point is, and that's the fact i have always highlighted, msia does NOT select the best of it's youths, it's manpower, to become doctors........in direct contrast to the oecd countries.......


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Hey , i heard that UCSI is offering medicine . its MD not MBBS . Can i know what are the differences between these two. And is ucsi even recognized? i dont see its name under the MMC list :|
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Hey guys, I actually asked about the Medicine course in Taylor's to the Dean for my sister who is currently doing SAM.Since I already got the information just decided to share it with you guys that might be interested ^^

QUOTE(Dr. Abd Rahman Noor)

Our next intake for Medical Degree Transfer Program will be in September this year and another one in January 2011. Applications may be submitted anytime using real or forecast results. Shortlisted candidates will be called for interview. All students offered to study Medicine will have to undergo medical check-up.

Our revised entry requirements are as follows; These requirements are for our partners in Charles University Faculty of Medicine in Hradec Kralove in Czech and UKRIDA, Indonesia.


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The entry requirement for St. George’s University of London is as follows;

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FYI, degrees from all partners of Taylor’s MDTP are recognized by Malaysian Medical Council. MDTP students from Taylor's University College will receive their medical degree from their respective partner medical schools just as any other graduates from that university.

Taylor's University College own School of Medicine is awaiting approval to run its own MBBS program to be started this September. We are fully staffed now and the anatomy lab is fully functioning now. The Multidisciplinary labs and the clinical skills suite are being furnished to be available for use by our students in June.

Tuition fees MDTP currently is RM118, 000 for 2 years.

The current tuition fees for St. George’s is – £27,455 per year (X 3 years)

For Czech is about €13000 per year. (X 4 years - the medical course in Czech is 6 years)

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it's pretty much the same MINIMUM qualifications required as imu's........except that the minimum is no longer enough for entry in imu..........although it may still be for taylors.........

what is surprising is, taking AAA in a-levels as equivalent to ter90 in sam......based on relative performances by equivalent students in the 2 system, it is estimated that AAA equals a ter of 94-95.........

which is why students with a-levels have an advantage over those with sam/ausmat for entry into aussie med schools......they will consider those with AAA, but those with ter<97 can pretty much say goodbye to any chance of entry........those no-hopers who are on the band 94-97, if they have taken a-levels and got AAA at least will still be considered.........

for taylors, the reverse may now be true.......if st georges accepts ter90, it means they accept ABB or AAB equivalent, but demand straight AAA from a-levels.........

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Mar 23 2010, 10:45 PM)
Hey guys, I actually asked about the Medicine course in Taylor's to the Dean for my sister who is currently doing SAM.Since I already got the information just decided to share it with you guys that might be interested ^^
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IMU or Monash???!!!!
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IMU or Monash???!!!!
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in term of recognition and fee structure....
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recognition by who?

which imu programme?
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recognition by who?

which imu programme?
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MMC and overseas.. MBBS

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MMC and overseas.. MBBS
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i'm pretty sure he wants to know your choice of PMS-IMU or Local-IMU.
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in term of recognition and fee structure....
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both registrable with mmc (duh.....of course lah)

fees for imu-pms will of course depend on where you partner off to........but will be significantly more than monash msia.........
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I'm not sure if any of u all notice this but Allianze College of Medical Science (ACMS) is collaborating with UKM for one of their medical degrees and upon successful completion of the course students would be awarded a Doctor of Medicine (MD) by UKM. I find it interesting cause even students who took private pre-u courses like A-Levels, SAM, CPU can apply. Total course fees is RM307,500. I wonder how is the quality of this med school?

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Manipal University

Kasturba Medical College and Melaka Manipal Medical College (MMMC) campus site.
Some picture taken from Manipal Campus in India during my visit there.
I've been to Manipal (India Campus) last december for an event there (LAGENDA 2009). I can't tell you much about the workings of the college there since I'm not an MMMC student.

Manipal town is quite a distance from Bangalore. The road to Manipal from bangalore - is terrible, took me full 12 hours to reach there.

Campus is quite big and very nice. The Manipal town is not as busy as Bangalore, calm but the weather there is VERY hot. I was sweating all day when I was there (Bangalore is cold but dusty and dry).

Food is somewhat cheaper than in the major cities in Karnataka (an Indian State where Manipal Uni is located). Seafood is easily available, there is even teh tarik (Malaysian version) and Nasi lemak being sold in the campus cafeteria (this is something that I envy a lot - since my campus don't have such food).

but Pictures speak louder than words..

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Hey~ there is also a very nice beach there too...

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LOL. My friend showed me the same pic u showed here. Did he take it from u? hahahaa he too is stdying in india now taking MBBS. A super smart student who scored 4As but he told me that somehow students there look down on him cos he's not a JPA scholars. Sad for him~
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QUOTE(loveless90 @ Apr 13 2010, 07:56 PM)
LOL. My friend showed me the same pic u showed here. Did he take it from u? hahahaa he too is stdying in india now taking MBBS. A super smart student who scored 4As but he told me that somehow students there look down on him cos he's not a JPA scholars. Sad for him~
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If the pictures are the same, then he obviously took them from this thread. I personally took those pictures myself in Manipal.

...AIMST MBBS Fee Updated (1st page).

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QUOTE(cgan @ Apr 12 2010, 12:31 AM)
I'm not sure if any of u all notice this but Allianze College of Medical Science (ACMS) is collaborating with UKM for one of their medical degrees and upon successful completion of the course students would be awarded a Doctor of Medicine (MD) by UKM. I find it interesting cause even students who took private pre-u courses like A-Levels, SAM, CPU can apply. Total course fees is RM307,500. I wonder how is the quality of this med school?
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Of course any pre-U can apply la! This is a private medical programme offered by a private medical school. To me,it is not worthy to earn a degree of UKM with totally different academic teaching groups with the fees of more than RM300k. Just for your information any UKM or UM medical programme done outside of the main campus is not recognized by Singapore Medical Council(SMC).

Since,there is nothing very special of this programme with any other private medical programme,so,it is not really worthy to spend so much to earn a MD of UKM. Quality wise,I don't see any differences between this programme and other medical programme offered by ACMS because the academic staff is the same.

Just my 2 cents.

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Of course any pre-U can apply la! This is a private medical programme offered by a private medical school. To me,it is not worthy to earn a degree of UKM with totally different academic teaching groups with the fees of more than RM300k. Just for your information any UKM or UM medical programme done outside of the main campus is not recognized by Singapore Medical Council(SMC).

Since,there is nothing very special of this programme with any other private medical programme,so,it is not really worthy to spend so much to earn a MD of UKM. Quality wise,I don't see any differences between this programme and other medical programme offered by ACMS because the academic staff is the same.

Just my 2 cents.
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Are you sure this is not recognized?I wonder how they know that since the cert will be the same I think.
Any link?
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Are you sure this is not recognized?I wonder how they know that since the cert will be the same I think.
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Your transcripts.
and usually if you look at recognitions they do mention this recognition only applies to the course done in the home campus of the institution offering the course or something like that.
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Your transcripts.
and usually if you look at recognitions they do mention this recognition only applies to the course done in the home campus of the institution offering the course or something like that.
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How about Monash,Newcastle,Nottingham and many other foreign U which has a campus in Malaysia?
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How about Monash,Newcastle,Nottingham and many other foreign U which has a campus in Malaysia?
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the foreign campuses would usually have to apply for recognition as well which is separate from the recognition received by the main campus back in their home country. Qualification obtained in their campus here might not be recognized back in their country like their main campus there though it may be recognized here.
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How about Monash,Newcastle,Nottingham and many other foreign U which has a campus in Malaysia?
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only medskols with their clinical years done in the country of origin are recognised, like IMU-PMS route, but not penang medical college-RCSI/UCD, Monash, UKM, and Newcastle. Things might change though.
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only medskols with their clinical years done in the country of origin are recognised, like IMU-PMS route, but not penang medical college-RCSI/UCD, Monash, UKM, and Newcastle. Things might change though.
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It's sad that PMC is having the other way round, if it's offering clinicals in ireland, I don't mind going there. Um, I heard that you can actually transfer to monash for clinicals starting this year? But it's like 1-2 out of the whole batch i reckon. Not sure about newcastle, but it's rather the same as PMC: clinicals in msia.
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unlike msia (and other 3rd world countries, including russia) where they can take in hundreds of medical students with no place to provide clinical training for them, the developed countries, particularly uk/ireland and oz/nz have very strict rules about how many clinical students can be trained, based on the number of beds/patients and teachers available..........

therefore, most of their med schools already are at MAXIMUM allowed capacity for clinical training.........

which is why they see it better to expand their capacity through conducting the clinical training in msia, where such rules are lax........

and that is also why monash does not allow transfers to melbourne for clinicals....

there is a less stringent rule for pre-clinicals, hence conducting that part in the original country, like pmc, and the first 2 batches of monash msia......

imu's model does not stress the partner clinical schools, as each partner only provide very small number of places, many just 2 places per batch....and some clinical vacancies always occur due to people dropping out of their own programme........

it's a new phenomena, that of universities conducting medical training out of their own country.....and regulatory bodies deal with this differently.....spore insist on only recognising those with clinical training done in the parent country.......uk rule that the major part of the course (doesn't matter pre-clinical or clinical) must be done in the parent country....and thus pmc and monash msia are not recognised..........

the gmc rule may change, as their own newcastle is about to start a 100% msia based medical programme........
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as he said in that video, maldistribution of doctors in Malaysia is a problem, most refuse to serve in Pahang, Sarawak and Sabah~
perhaps the government should impose mandatory posting for new housemen/M.O during their compulsory service in those states?
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some depts have up to 40 ho's at a time......more than there are patients!........

even with maldistribution, the number of doctors in said pahang and borneo states are a lot more than in the past, but each successive batch of ho's seems to cope less and less with lighter and lighter workload........
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hey guys,i have a question,

if i did twining programme through IMU,let say with UK uni,the degree that i received is from which uni?UK one or IMU?
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hey guys,i have a question,

if i did twining programme through IMU,let say with UK uni,the degree that i received is from which uni?UK one or IMU?
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UK degree
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hey guys,i have a question,

if i did twining programme through IMU,let say with UK uni,the degree that i received is from which uni?UK one or IMU?
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If you did IMU's PMS then your degree would be coming from the University you transferred to not IMU ^^
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hey guys,i have a question,

if i did twining programme through IMU,let say with UK uni,the degree that i received is from which uni?UK one or IMU?
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the other 2 answers are correct........if you don't tell people, nobody will know you came through imu...........
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the other 2 answers are correct........if you don't tell people, nobody will know you came through imu...........
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limeuu,if i take MBBS in New Castle Msia,i'll be doing my pre-clinical years in UK but clinical years in Msia

do you think it is worth it?

and with NewCastle degree,i could do my postgraduate at UK more easier right?


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i'm not limeuu but it's definitely not worth it. I dont think you can work in the UK for F1, so you will not be registered under GMC.

Even UK's IMGs are finding it hard to continue postgraduate work there, ur chances are pretty slim. And SMC does not recognise NUMED either because you've done your clinical years outside the main campus.
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i'm not limeuu but it's definitely not worth it. I dont think you can work in the UK for F1, so you will not be registered under GMC.

Even UK's IMGs are finding it hard to continue postgraduate work there, ur chances are pretty slim. And SMC does not recognise NUMED either because you've done your clinical years outside the main campus.
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the other 2 answers are correct........if you don't tell people, nobody will know you came through imu...........
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mm, thought you'll get 2 certs, both UK and IMU? =D that's what i meant. =P but yes, hide the other one and tadaa~ you're fully from UK med school. haha.
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It may sound very good that u graduated from an UK medical school, but it reality you are treated as a Malaysian graduate in most circumstances.
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Just out of curiosity , the medicine course in our country only permits us to practice in Malaysia right ?

Does that means that Malaysian doctors is surely stuck working for Malaysia only ?
or how could they work in other countries ? for instance Singapore ?
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Just out of curiosity , the medicine course in our country only permits us to practice in Malaysia right ?

Does that means that Malaysian doctors is surely stuck working for Malaysia only ?
or how could they work in other countries ? for instance Singapore ?
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Depends on which University your talking about.Different Universities have different recognition by different medical boards you have to check with each specific medical board to be sure.For example you can work in Singapore with an MBBS from UM and an MD from UKM if I'm not mistaken.Those are the only Malaysian Universities that have recognition from Singapore's medical board if I'm not wrong.
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ May 24 2010, 08:04 PM)
mm, thought you'll get 2 certs, both UK and IMU? =D that's what i meant. =P but yes, hide the other one and tadaa~ you're fully from UK med school. haha.
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They'll get a diploma-ish cert aka transcript from IMU once they have complete phase I. Once they are transfered to PMS, IMU has nothing to do with them anymore unless they wanna be transfered back to IMU clinical school (ie fail).

During graduation they'll be conferred degree from PMS, nothing from IMU. Unless some people demand first and second year transcripts, there'll be no clue that they're from IMU lol. Most healthboards/hospitals require only the graduation cert and 18 months of transcript from date of application so the IMU transcript can be "hidden".


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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ May 24 2010, 10:18 PM)
Just out of curiosity , the medicine course in our country only permits us to practice in Malaysia right ?

Does that means that Malaysian doctors is surely stuck working for Malaysia only ?
or how could they work in other countries ? for instance Singapore ?
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I am one of the med student who knows nothing when i entered med school so i feel compelled to say something here lol. To answer your Q yes all private medical universities in Malaysia only allow students to practise in Malaysia as recognised by MMC.

SMC only recognises medical course from UM and UKM and they must be done in the main campus. SMC only recognised medical degrees conferred by universities when the Clinical-Year is done at the main campus. However, SMC also takes up medical graduates from unrecognised med school in malaysia on a case by case basis and it had been happening for decades.

GMC only recognises UK medical schools for undergraduates, or you can take PLAB but PLAB has lost its purpose since the new rule came out in 2006.

AMC/NZMC only recognises AUS/NZ medical schools, or you can take AMC examination (for Aus) or NZREX (for NZ). Looking at the medical student tsunami in AUS, AMC examination has also lost its purpose lol. And lastly when the tsunami hits NZ, NZREX would be deemed irrelevant too (but it is unlikely in 3 years to come).

I'm not so certain about Ireland Medical Council.

And lastly, US seemed to be the most generous country - as long as you passed your USMLE (I dont know how many steps you needa get through, but as long as you get through them you'll be offered some jobs and residency, and US residency has the shortest training duration and it IS the best, they have the most novel treatments and interventions).

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Hi cybersetan,
i've post a message on ur utube channel. but u ask me to send it here. so here it is;

i am interested in pursuing study in Medics for 2nd dgree. i've done my biomed degree but still dont know where to start and everything. i registered to Warsaw application site, but still not completed the written application procedures. i also dont know how and when to proceed with application for sponsorship or loans.

if you can help be a bit, it'd be great. really.

all the thanks in the world, to you smile.gif)
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QUOTE(pisau559 @ May 26 2010, 12:04 AM)
Hi cybersetan,
i've post a message on ur utube channel. but u ask me to send it here. so here it is;

i am interested in pursuing study in Medics for 2nd dgree. i've done my biomed degree but still dont know where to start and everything. i registered to Warsaw application site, but still not completed the written application procedures. i also dont know how and when to proceed with application for sponsorship or loans.

if you can help be a bit, it'd be great. really.

all the thanks in the world, to you smile.gif)
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Very well~

Graduate-entry medical program is on the rise abroad, even in Australia and UK. Unfortunately it is yet to happen in Malaysia. Grad-entry Medicine has its pro and cons, you can search for it in google (there is a lot of it).

Malaysian private medical universities however DO accept BSc. graduates into their program, however they will join the normal 5-years program along with STPM/A-Level/Foundation certificate holders. The 4-years program is only available abroad is designed especially for Bachelors degree holder.

The graduate-entry medical program abroad will usually be more expensive than doing the normal 5-years program in Malaysia. This you have to consider well. If you don't mind sacrificing 1-year for a more cost-saving medical program in Malaysia, then there are many options for you to choose from.

Moving on to your questions.

Based on my personal experience, I find that what I have studied during my BSc.Biomedicine (Hons) helpful in my MBBS studies.
You mentioned that you have graduated with BSc.Biomedicine as well? may i know from where and your CGPA if you don't mind?



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em, i dont know how to quote. this is my 1st time using forum ;p

i am still waiting for my final results. but current cgpa is 3.2.. owh, i've read before that they prefer 3.5. is it true? that would be bad.

and this is the reason why i couldn't apply for usm or imu. they want 3.5.. i thought that maybe i could take stpm as backup. what do u think?
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QUOTE(pisau559 @ May 26 2010, 12:30 AM)
em, i dont know how to quote. this is my 1st time using forum ;p

i am still waiting for my final results. but current cgpa is 3.2.. owh, i've read before that they prefer 3.5. is it true? that would be bad.

and this is the reason why i couldn't apply for usm or imu. they want 3.5.. i thought that maybe i could take stpm as backup. what do u think?
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There is no need to use STPM since you've got an even higher qualification than that.

If you are willing to pursue the normal 5-years medical program in Malaysia, then a CGPA of 3.0 is the minimum requirement for entry using BSc. qualification.

The following are some IPTS that offers medical program to BSc. graduates:

http://www.perakmed.edu.my/e107_docs/pdf/latest/mbbs.pdf
http://www.cybermed.edu.my/cucms-web/AA_EntryMMBS.jsp
http://219.93.198.210/v2/index.php?option=...=123&Itemid=242
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It would be great if somebody cares to state whether courses offered by these unis are recognised nationally/globally
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Refer to MMC website for that matter.
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there will never be a situation where a local med school is not recognised by the mmc.......they may drag their feet if they find faults with the new med schools, but political pressure will come in and they WILL recognise them........

there is NO such thing as a medical degree recognised 'globally'..........
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I missed this news article~ I will add this later in the list:

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...22&sec=business
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I missed this news article~ I will add this later in the list:

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...22&sec=business
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tap into spore market?........unrealistically optimistic........

the degree will NOT be recognised by smc.......

and i thought the minister of health did unofficially say they are also freezing creation of new med schools........
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Anyone familiar with the MBBS programme by UNIKL-RCMP ?

would know more about the uni , compared to CUCMS and AIMST.
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My friend is in RCMP ipoh, mostly are MARA scholars
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My friend is in RCMP ipoh, mostly are MARA scholars
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Can I know how's the program ? as in education-wise , are the lecturers good ?
as in perhaps , teaching skills and also fluent in English ?

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em, i dont know how to quote. this is my 1st time using forum ;p

i am still waiting for my final results. but current cgpa is 3.2.. owh, i've read before that they prefer 3.5. is it true? that would be bad.

and this is the reason why i couldn't apply for usm or imu. they want 3.5.. i thought that maybe i could take stpm as backup. what do u think?
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The most of important of all ,
Do you have the burning desire to become a doctor?

If you do, please try to apply and there are other choices too.

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The most of important of all ,
Do you have the burning desire to become a doctor?

If you do, please try to apply and there are other choices too.
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you are mistaken........

the most important single criteria is, are you intellectually and academically good enough.......
if not, you have NO business doing medicine, no matter how wildly strong you 'desire to become a doctor' is......

why do you want to be one?.........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jun 8 2010, 08:29 PM)
you are mistaken........

the most important single criteria is, are you intellectually and academically good enough.......
if not, you have NO business doing medicine, no matter how wildly strong you 'desire to become a doctor' is......

why do you want to be one?.........
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second that, but there are just too many people desiring to become doctors...and many of them are students with mediocre results.

and its malaysia here, so long that u have the wealth and u pass the selection cut-off, u can become a doctor. sad case isnt it? wink.gif
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does biomedic in msu now can further apply to medic???want some info coz i'm decided to do biomedic n then further medic..thnx
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it does not make any sense to do biomed if you want to do medicine..........there is no 'graduate entry' med school in msia.............
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does biomedic in msu now can further apply to medic???want some info coz i'm decided to do biomedic n then further medic..thnx
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There are universities that offer graduate entry for biomedic graduates to do medicine at Australia. However, the duration of course is 4 years. So, when u do biomed then further to medic, u need to spent up to 7 years. Why don't u just enter MBBS or MD straight away then u can graduate as doctor in 5 or 6 years? doh.gif
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QUOTE(cipan_tanah @ Jun 20 2010, 06:24 PM)
does biomedic in msu now can further apply to medic???want some info coz i'm decided to do biomedic n then further medic..thnx
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If MSU, you'll have to come to India like me then, but then again, it'll be 4.5years of MBBS + 1 year compulsory internship (in India).

Otherwise you can apply for Australia, UK, Poland or perhaps US graduate entry medical programs after you got your BSc. degree.
(graduate entry medical programs requires degree holders after all)

You will have to decide if you wish to do the same~

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Cyber, are u going to stay back in india for good? or coming back?
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Cyber, are u going to stay back in india for good? or coming back?
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Its not good for my health~ laugh.gif


Added on June 27, 2010, 11:03 pmUpdate:

http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...2&sec=education


Added on July 16, 2010, 5:13 pmUpdate - SEGI College is also going to open MBBS program

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I hold a Mpharm. from london school of pharmacy with lower 2nd class degree. Is there a graduate entry for medicine in M'sia? If so, how long is the duration and what are my chances of getting in? or are there any other alternative schools that are available throughout M'sia that offers MBBS/MD for 4 yrs? i am sorry if repeating Qs here, but its been 14 years since i've been living abroad, so have very little prospects on medical schools here.

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I hold a Mpharm. from london school of pharmacy with lower 2nd class degree. Is there a graduate entry for medicine in M'sia? If so, how long is the duration and what are my chances of getting in? or are there any other alternative schools that are available throughout M'sia that offers MBBS/MD for 4 yrs? i am sorry if repeating Qs here, but its been 14 years since i've been living abroad, so have very little prospects on medical schools here.
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Why don't you just practice as a pharmacist 0_0 ?
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Why don't you just practice as a pharmacist 0_0 ?
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pharmacy profession is awesome and good but the only problem is that there is not enough clinical/medical responsibilities which is what i am seeking for. Medicine allows you to specialise and there are so many different areas/fields within the profession. A lot more clinical responsibilities. I am not good in business and the other areas of pharmacy, which is a let down!
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QUOTE(ridd @ Jul 27 2010, 07:31 PM)
pharmacy profession is awesome and good but the only problem is that there is not enough clinical/medical responsibilities which is what i am seeking for. Medicine allows you to specialise and there are so many different areas/fields within the profession. A lot more clinical responsibilities. I am not good in business and the other areas of pharmacy, which is a let down!
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there are many areas in pharmacy with clinical responsibilities la.. go do a masters in pharmacology..master of clinical pharmacy..pharmacotheraphy.etc..so many areas too specialise..especially in UK where there would be bound to have even more choices..

do more research boy..


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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 27 2010, 08:46 PM)
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there are many areas in pharmacy with clinical responsibilities la.. go do a masters in pharmacology..master of clinical pharmacy..pharmacotheraphy.etc..so many areas too specialise..especially in UK where there would be bound to have even more choices..

do more research boy..
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lol, err... those masters doesnt mean clinical responsibilities. more like names that makes it sound clinical haha. but yes specialisse ure right but still at the end, you're still acting as a pharmacist and there are limits for pharmacies. think i know my field of work, no offense. unless you are a pharmacist or studying pharmacy, only those ppl can tell you what its actually about.
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there is no graduate-entry med school in msia......however matured students can apply to enter any of the programmes just like school leavers, but there will be no shortening of the course.....

changing from pharmacy to medicine has happened before....but would suggest poor career counseling in the past......or a failure to secure a place in medicine before.....
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QUOTE(ridd @ Jul 28 2010, 01:20 AM)
lol, err... those masters doesnt mean clinical responsibilities. more like names that makes it sound clinical haha. but yes specialisse ure right but still at the end, you're still acting as a pharmacist and there are limits for pharmacies. think i know my field of work, no offense. unless you are a pharmacist or studying pharmacy, only those ppl can tell you what its actually about.
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soon to be studying...good luck to you then... smile.gif

anyway..i dun quite understand what u mean really mean by 'clinical responsibilities'..

with the over-saturations of doctors in Malaysia in the next few years..your chances of getting hands-on training in the hospital will be very limited as well..yes there will be 'clinical responsibilities'..but i think there would be more clerking involved..

i'm sure limeuu can enlighten you on that matter even more.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ridd @ Jul 28 2010, 01:20 AM)
lol, err... those masters doesnt mean clinical responsibilities. more like names that makes it sound clinical haha. but yes specialisse ure right but still at the end, you're still acting as a pharmacist and there are limits for pharmacies. think i know my field of work, no offense. unless you are a pharmacist or studying pharmacy, only those ppl can tell you what its actually about.
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try to apply for postgrad med in other countries rather than msia? =) Since you're in UK, you can try to get into the graduate entry medicine. have u been working as a retail pharm or clinical pharm for the past few years?
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QUOTE(ridd @ Jul 28 2010, 01:20 AM)
lol, err... those masters doesnt mean clinical responsibilities. more like names that makes it sound clinical haha. but yes specialisse ure right but still at the end, you're still acting as a pharmacist and there are limits for pharmacies. think i know my field of work, no offense. unless you are a pharmacist or studying pharmacy, only those ppl can tell you what its actually about.
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You could try Poland. Three MMC recognized universities there have 4-years graduate entry program. One of them is Medical University of Warsaw. Here is the MMC's list:

http://mmc.gov.my/v1/index.php?option=com_...d=70&Itemid=109


Added on July 29, 2010, 2:08 amOther than that... here is some past-time hobby of mine, I call it "suturing the torn bag" - duh...

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If the sutures do not slip for at least 3 days of carrying heavy books in that bag, I consider my interrupted suturing skills acceptable~ laugh.gif

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I believe that there are not enough similarities between Pharmacy and Medic to allow you exemptions to shorten the duration of the course. A cousin of mine told me in western countries, many of those who did not make it to med skol in the first instant would take an alternative course that will help them gain entry after graduating. Its the PASSION! I was told.

What is another couple of years, frankly, if your passion is strong? After all, it is not wasted. I also read that some psycology graduates locally are also signing up for medic.

Can somebody please enlighten the pathway of a clinical psycologist through a "pure" psycology program or medic program? Whats the difference, if any?
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jul 29 2010, 12:32 PM)
I believe that there are not enough similarities between Pharmacy and Medic to allow you exemptions to shorten the duration of the course. A cousin of mine told me in western countries, many of  those who did not make it to med skol in the first instant would take an alternative course that will help them gain entry after graduating. Its the PASSION! I was told.

What is another couple of years, frankly, if your passion is strong? After all, it is not wasted. I also read that some psycology graduates locally are also signing up for medic.

Can somebody please enlighten the pathway of a clinical psycologist through a "pure" psycology program or medic program? Whats the difference, if any?
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to become a clinical psychologist : u need to do degree in psycho + masters in clinical psychology

through a medic programme, u specialise to be a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.

in simple words:

psychologist cannot prescribe medicine, psychiatrist can.


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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 29 2010, 12:43 PM)
to become a clinical psychologist : u need to do degree in psycho + masters in clinical psychology

through a medic programme, u specialise to be a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.

in simple words:

psychologist cannot prescribe medicine, psychiatrist can.
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When you are somewhat mentally unstable, you see a psychiatrist but if you are a someone under stress and need emotional support, they will recommend a clinical psychologist who has a medic degree. Mention the word "psychiatrist" and most people give you strange look wondering whether you are "cuckoo" or not.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jul 29 2010, 02:21 PM)
When you are somewhat mentally unstable, you see a psychiatrist but if you are a someone under stress and need emotional support, they will recommend a clinical psychologist who has a medic degree. Mention the word "psychiatrist" and most people give you strange look wondering whether you are "cuckoo" or not.
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some correction there.

a clinical psychologist does not need a medical degree. as i posted earlier, you need to do masters in clinical psychology after your degree. in malaysia however the places are very limited. for private uni, only HELP has it. and it only has like, 12 places?

in layman's term, a clinical psychologist is a highly qualified counselor. a psychiatrist, well..is a doctor.

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jul 29 2010, 07:21 PM)
When you are somewhat mentally unstable, you see a psychiatrist but if you are a someone under stress and need emotional support, they will recommend a clinical psychologist who has a medic degree. Mention the word "psychiatrist" and most people give you strange look wondering whether you are "cuckoo" or not.
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no doctors wanna take up medicine just to be a counsellor, clinical psychologists are psychology graduates who took up master in clinical psychology.

psychiatrists medicate, and they are trained in consulting the mentally-ill people.
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*Update in first page - 22/8/2010

- Masterskill and SEGI college MBBS added - Fees are yet to be known.
- Total IPTS offering Medicine in Malaysia is now 16.
- Any correction or dead link please inform me~
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masterskill is a twinned programme.........clinical years in india, they didn't say where in their advert........
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masterskill is a twinned programme.........clinical years in india, they didn't say where in their advert........
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Ah.. yes, they are twinning with Krishna Institute of Medical Sciences.

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He said the MoA enabled Krishna Institute to provide the curriculum information and course guidelines for the development of the Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) programmes, which are intended to be delivered by Masterskill Sdn Bhd under license in Malaysia.

Edmund said the students would spend the first two and a half years at Masterskill University Collge of Health Sciences in Malaysia before undergoing clinical training for the same length of time at the Krishna Institute, which is located in Maharashtra, India.

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http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...89&sec=business

First 2.5 years in Malaysia then the rest in India.

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Is this Krishna Medical School a reputable medic college or something similar to Manipal where it is not recognised in India!
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Is this Krishna Medical School a reputable medic college or something similar to Manipal where it is not recognised in India!
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it doesn't matter, as the students will get a masterskill degree..........which obviously will not be recognised in india...........

even if it is, few if any graduates will want to stay back in india and work, in contrast to students in oecd countries......
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Aug 23 2010, 11:17 AM)
Is this Krishna Medical School a reputable medic college or something similar to Manipal where it is not recognised in India!
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Its a reverse of Melaka Manipal Medical College. Instead of first spending 2.5 years in India for the pre and para clinical subjects and the rest of the clinical phase in Malaysia, its the other way around for Masterskill's program.

It is most likely that it will not be recognized by the MCI (Medical Council of India) same as MMMC and MSU.
Unless the Malaysian students are doing Medicine full time (4.5years + 1 year compulsory internship) along with the local Indians in that college, recognition by MCI is beyond reach.

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oh yay more medical schools popping up in msia! Honestly, I don't even know how malaysia will be able to provide everyone with an intern spot in say 5-6 years time. In the end, med grads get jobless, and citizens get crappy health service. x.x
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Aug 24 2010, 12:23 PM)
oh yay more medical schools popping up in msia! Honestly, I don't even know how malaysia will be able to provide everyone with an intern spot in say 5-6 years time. In the end, med grads get jobless, and citizens get crappy health service. x.x
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Today, I help a very old friend visit his Doctor at the local gomen general hospital. B'cos his sons are in KL working he asked me to help take him there. The doctors there only see patient at about 8am but he told me to fetch him at 6.30am!!!!!
If not the queue will be very long, which was true enough cos when we reach there at 7am the parking lots was full and the queue was there already. Dun start me on the waiting time for his medicine.
So the citizens get crappy health service NOW! In the end is there any difference?

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 24 2010, 01:14 PM)
Today, I help a very old friend visit his Doctor at the local gomen general hospital. B'cos his sons are in KL working he asked me to help take him there. The doctors there only see patient at about 8am but he told me to fetch him at 6.30am!!!!!
If not the queue will be very long, which was true enough cos when we reach there at 7am the parking lots was full and the queue was there already. Dun start me on the waiting time for his medicine.
So the citizens get crappy health service NOW! In the end is there any difference?
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yes!

in the future, there will be 5 doctors attending to one outpatient!

isn't that amazing?? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 24 2010, 02:03 PM)
yes!
in the future, there will be 5 doctors attending to one outpatient!
isn't that amazing??  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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In future? like year 3000?
I think my friend dies liao, also have to wait long long for a doctor to certified him.

BTW how many JPA students are there in 1st year Medical right now? And in which Uni/College in Malaysia? I dun think the ones from oversea going to come back.

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 25 2010, 12:54 PM)
In future? like year 3000?
I think my friend dies liao, also have to wait long long for a doctor to certified him.
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dun need la..it will happen in 5 years..

now already 2 housemen attending to one outpatient at the clinics...


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dun need la..it will happen in 5 years..

now already 2 housemen attending to one outpatient at the clinics...
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Which gomen hospital is that?
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Which gomen hospital is that?
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hospital kuala lumpur
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I dun think the ones from oversea going to come back.
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incorrect........the ones in russia/ukraine/india/indonesia/egypt etc are all coming back.......and they make up 90% of msian medical students overseas...........

only the small group in oecd countries are likely not to return..........
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Aug 25 2010, 12:54 PM)


BTW how many JPA students are there in 1st year Medical right now? And in which Uni/College in Malaysia? I dun think the ones from oversea going to come back.
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ucsi...imu...to name a few...
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ucsi...imu...to name a few...
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so how many are expected to be gomen service comes 2016?
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got 24 uni offering medic..IPTA n IPTS..

let's just say all take 50 students la..only a few haven produce first batch so the small numbers are to cover for that...

next year from malaysia alone... 24 * 50 = 1200 grads *5(2016)= 6000 doctors.

let's say 500 students go overseas(UK/US/Aus/Indo/russia etc) to study per year, times 6= 3000 doctors.

so there we have, at least 9000 doctors produced. and these figures are just the minimum. but are the number of general hospitals increasing? hmm.gif
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you figures are way off....

in 2009, 4000+ new doctors joined the workforce.....about 2000 from local med schools (both public and private) and 2000 from overseas.........based on current intake, and new students going off to russia/indonesia/india, this nomber will increase to 5000+ in the next few years......

the 'good' news is that those in oecd countries mostly do NOT return, but they account for only about 200 new doctors a year, maybe only 20% of that will return, even jpa scholars, many do not return......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 26 2010, 10:01 AM)
you figures are way off....

in 2009, 4000+ new doctors joined the workforce.....about 2000 from local med schools (both public and private) and 2000 from overseas.........based on current intake, and new students going off to russia/indonesia/india, this nomber will increase to 5000+ in the next few years......

the 'good' news is that those in oecd countries mostly do NOT return, but they account for only about 200 new doctors a year, maybe only 20% of that will return, even jpa scholars, many do not return......
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How does the figures jell with the current situation of not enough doctors? And the growing population in years to come?
Wat is the ratio right now?
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it is about 1:900 now.....

it will reach who ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........

after that, there will be oversupply, but regional shortages will persist, due to maldistribution.......this problem exist in ALL countries, developed and developing..........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 26 2010, 03:01 PM)
you figures are way off....

in 2009, 4000+ new doctors joined the workforce.....about 2000 from local med schools (both public and private) and 2000 from overseas.........based on current intake, and new students going off to russia/indonesia/india, this nomber will increase to 5000+ in the next few years......

the 'good' news is that those in oecd countries mostly do NOT return, but they account for only about 200 new doctors a year, maybe only 20% of that will return, even jpa scholars, many do not return......
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I wonder why government still wanna approve license for new med school when they know exactly what is happening, sigh. GG
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QUOTE(tqeh @ Aug 26 2010, 06:16 PM)
I wonder why government still wanna approve license for new med school when they know exactly what is happening, sigh. GG
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sadly to say. politics + $$$. that's all it takes.

and I am intending to work in msia, preferably after I specialize. Well, that's still way off, keeping alive is already hard enough haha.
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even master's students are not getting enough training themselves... zz
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sadly to say. politics + $$$. that's all it takes.

and I am intending to work in msia, preferably after I specialize. Well, that's still way off, keeping alive is already hard enough haha.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Aug 23 2010, 11:17 AM)
Is this Krishna Medical School a reputable medic college or something similar to Manipal where it is not recognised in India!
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FYI, full course manipal is currently recognised in India smile.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 26 2010, 04:21 PM)
it is about 1:900 now.....

it will reach who ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........

after that, there will be oversupply, but regional shortages will persist, due to maldistribution.......this problem exist in ALL countries, developed and developing..........
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it will reach WHO ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........ hmm.gif and this calculation takes into consideration for our rate of population growth?

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it will reach WHO ideal ratio of 1:600 in 2015 at present production rate........ hmm.gif  and this calculation takes into consideration for our rate of population growth?
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biological population growth is slow, i think in msia it is currently 2.5% per annum......

replacement and natural growth need for doctors is about 100/million population....so msia needs about 2800 new doctors to keep up with retiring doctors and biological population growth......

when the targeted ratio is reached, it will be difficult to close the tap.....one cannot just close med schools just like that....

of course there is 'non-biological' population growth......esp in countries with large migrant population, and msia has a BIG foreign worker population, a significant portion of which miraculously become 'msians'.......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 27 2010, 10:17 AM)
... a significant portion of which miraculously become 'msians'.......
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I think many Medical schools/colleges will die of 'natural' causes and only a handful of the well-established ones will survive.

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Published on: Sunday, September 05, 2010

Kota Kinabalu: Fifty-nine medical doctors from the peninsula are being despatched to Sabah in batches to meet the State's demand.

State Health Director, Dr Mohd Yusof Ibrahim, said about 20 are now serving in the various health clinics and hospitals throughout Sabah.

"More are coming in. By the end of the year, we will have 59 additional doctors. Just be patient. The future for Sabah is good in terms of provision of health services.

"We (State Health Department) are working hard for the people of Sabah.

It is projected that Malaysia will have enough doctors by the year 2015.

"In fact, for Sabah, by next year, we should be reasonably all right, given that 100 to 200 doctors will have graduated by December this year.

Things will be better from next year," he told Daily Express when met at his office at Rumah Persekutuan Kota Kinabalu.

According to Dr Mohd Yusof, the Government's target for next year is to have a minimum of six doctors serving in each district hospital.

"Right now, we have a minimum of only three doctors, which will be a thing of the past when our medical schools churn out more doctors in the years to come."

He said from next year, the 25 medical schools in the country (public and private sectors), including Universiti Malaysia Sabah (UMS), are capable of producing some 4,000 to 5,000 doctors a year (with the qualification of Bachelor of Medicine & Bachelor of Surgery or MBBS in short).

"In fact, the Melaka Manipal Medical College, a Malaysian private medical college, is planning to set up a branch here," he added.

In the meantime, Dr Mohd Yusof said, the Government is seriously considering hiring expatriate specialist doctors as a "stop-gap" measure.

Meanwhile, he said he had just attended a conference to deliberate on the number of required doctors and specialists for all medical disciplines as the country approaches the realisation of Vision 2020 as a developed nation.

"We have to get ready. We spent three days discussing and coming up with the figures, which are necessary to meet the requirements of being a developed nation. We (in Sabah) have also put up our figures."


Source: http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=74480

You guys see the situation in Sabah district hospitals? 3 doctors per DISTRICT HOSPITAL !! A HOSPITAL for an entire district having only THREE doctors !! That is very much true the last time I checked in my mother's hometown district (Sipitang). Even the Hospital's director is busy involved with the daily clinic duties (OPD)~


Another thing, MMMC in Sabah - ? interesting~

new name for the branch perhaps could be: Kota Kinabalu Manipal Medical College (KKMMC) laugh.gif laugh.gif

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After 50 years, still have shortage of doctors?!?!?! sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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the shortage is not dire now......the problem from now on will be maldistribution rather than real shortage.........up to 80% of houseman posted to borneo appeal against the posting.....and surprisingly many of them were successful......
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2015 there will be enough doctors..2020 there will be oversupply of doctors...

good news to sabahans then! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 6 2010, 09:35 AM)
2015 there will be enough doctors..2020 there will be oversupply of doctors...

good news to sabahans then! thumbup.gif
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no, it may still not be......

even in advanced countries with ratios of 1:400, there is maldistribution, and rural areas remains underserved...........just think oz......
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There will always be a shortage of doctors no matter what is being said.

Issues of migration, going downsouth, population increase and a revision to doctor:population ratio.

Tell me which profession is in oversupply now. Only unemployable graduates are in oversupply.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Sep 6 2010, 05:35 PM)
There will always be a shortage of doctors no matter what is being said.

Issues of migration, going downsouth, population increase and a revision to doctor:population ratio.

Tell me which profession is in oversupply now. Only unemployable graduates are in oversupply.
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the exact words should be oversupplying of housemen...

unless there is an increase in GH..these people won have anymore places left to train...
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Sep 6 2010, 05:35 PM)
There will always be a shortage of doctors no matter what is being said...
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Maldistributiion... focus on maldistribution.....
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haha, the reason why I plan to go back is to serve my community in swak. Hmm, I don't get why so many doctors are so reluctant to go to East Malaysia. I mean have they even been there?? I bet they still think that we still live on trees or something. =P no offense but a few no-brainers actually asked me that question. =/
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because the facilities there are quite bad if u had read some articles...

dun even have proper lighting or water in some areas.. =/
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Sep 6 2010, 07:17 PM)
...I bet they still think that we still live on trees or something. =P no offense but a few no-brainers actually asked me that question. =/
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...and another thing, some of the 'no-brainers' even asked me how ulat sagu taste like? and do the people still wear cawat or not? i mean... wtf?

Still... I will be laughing my As*-off if these no-brainers are sent to rural Sabah/Sarawak later to compensate for the 'maldistribution'~ laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kane_WWE_07 @ Sep 6 2010, 11:27 AM)
I want to be doctor to work in rural areas to help Malaysia grow!
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Same old tag line used for interview aje!
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because the facilities there are quite bad if u had read some articles...

dun even have proper lighting or water in some areas.. =/
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When you think of it, why do we have crappy facilities? Why are there places with no electricity / water? why, are our roads 10x more bumpier than those in w.msia? funding issue? fund distribution? I'm not here to brag about some inequalities that we face, but yes. there are some remote places with poor lighting and water supply.

QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 6 2010, 07:24 PM)
...and another thing, some of the 'no-brainers' even asked me how ulat sagu taste like? and do the people still wear cawat or not? i mean... wtf?

Still... I will be laughing my As*-off if these no-brainers are sent to rural Sabah/Sarawak later to compensate for the 'maldistribution'~  laugh.gif
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well, seriously, what's so bad to be sent to rural areas of sabah/swak? I mean, initially you bragged about your passion on saving lives. and now they become so stereotypical about where they are working. Do you get paid less? heck no, you'll get paid more in those places. Do you get lesser training? I doubt so. In rural aus, where one is in charge of the whole hospital, you'll be doing almost everything, by yourself. But correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just tying in the rural practice here and back in Malaysia. But similar situation in OZ like limeuu said. Everyone's reluctant to go to rural areas.
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 6 2010, 06:59 PM)
Maldistributiion... focus on maldistribution.....
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You will only be able to distribute fairly if you have competent doctors. I can safely say that of the 4,000 plus medic graduates a year, more than one third are "questionable" as to competency.
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Sep 6 2010, 08:47 PM)
When you think of it, why do we have crappy facilities? Why are there places with no electricity / water? why, are our roads 10x more bumpier than those in w.msia? funding issue? fund distribution? I'm not here to brag about some inequalities that we face, but yes. there are some remote places with poor lighting and water supply.
well, seriously, what's so bad to be sent to rural areas of sabah/swak? I mean, initially you bragged about your passion on saving lives. and now they become so stereotypical about where they are working. Do you get paid less? heck no, you'll get paid more in those places. Do you get lesser training? I doubt so. In rural aus, where one is in charge of the whole hospital, you'll be doing almost everything, by yourself. But correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just tying in the rural practice here and back in Malaysia. But similar situation in OZ like limeuu said. Everyone's reluctant to go to rural areas.
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politics bro..

politics...

20 overs for the same man to be CM is really toooo long.... doh.gif

the money is there.............but......... unsure.gif
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Dont expect to get clean water in rural areas in East Msia compared to urban areas. Expect to drink water from rusty tank, rain water and river water. This is not a joke. I came from there and that is how they live. You can be 3 hours away from the nearest town.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 6 2010, 09:33 PM)
politics bro..

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...but.... the rakyat are gullible and naive thus get screw left and right without any slightest signs of whimpering.
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true..

the money IS there...come on la..sarawak and sabah has soooo much natural resources..poor? i don't think so.
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QUOTE(kane_WWE_07 @ Sep 6 2010, 11:26 PM)
Dont expect to get clean water in rural areas in East Msia compared to urban areas. Expect to drink water from rusty tank, rain water and river water. This is not a joke. I came from there and that is how they live. You can be 3 hours away from the nearest town.
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can I know where do you live? as in which area/city

QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 7 2010, 09:18 AM)
true..

the money IS there...come on la..sarawak and sabah has soooo much natural resources..poor? i don't think so.
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the resources are harvested. and the money is there, held by government. We have the resources. We harvest the resources. we don't HOLD the money that we got from the resources. In the end, what can we do?


btw, has segi started their MBBS course yet?
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can I know where do you live? as in which area/city
the resources are harvested. and the money is there, held by government. We have the resources. We harvest the resources. we don't HOLD the money that we got from the resources. In the end, what can we do?
btw, has segi started their MBBS course yet?
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u can do by exercising your rights to vote. biggrin.gif

nope starting in october.
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I came from Keningau and shift to tawau and sandakan. The water supply will arrive once a week or sometimes more than that. Even that, the longest you can go with that supply is only 2 to 3 days. That is basically how the people live. It does not mean they are poor and no money. In fact they do have money to buy stuff but the problem is they live so far from the nearest store they just cant go out and buy their groceries. Imagine living up the river and have to take the sampan for hours to buy your food. They buy in bulk and just keep it. No refrigerator. No choice. So it is the transportation to this areas caused them to live like this. Dont worry, they been doing this for decades and still living strong haha.
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Here's another new one to add to the increasing number of graduates lol ^^"
seems they don't really release much information about it since it's still pending MOHE approval.Got to contact them directly to ask about it.
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looks like taylor's programme is running into trouble.......for them to offer such scholarships, means enrolment is low.....

not surprised, considering the partner med schools....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 12 2010, 01:31 AM)
looks like taylor's programme is running into trouble.......for them to offer such scholarships, means enrolment is low.....

not surprised, considering the partner med schools....
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that's not their transfer programme, it's their own new MBBS programme lol I wonder how the clinical years are going to be ^^" Guess their trying to get really good students for their first batch like their MDTP's first pilot project batch before taking in the masses ^^"

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that's not their transfer programme, it's their own new MBBS programme lol I wonder how the clinical years are going to be ^^"
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That's a shock!!! Taylors now offers MBBS (Taylors), lol
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 12 2010, 01:31 AM)
looks like taylor's programme is running into trouble.......for them to offer such scholarships, means enrolment is low.....

not surprised, ....
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considering the partner med schools? Wat partner?
And how are their facilities and staff competency?
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considering the partner med schools? Wat partner?
And how are their facilities and staff competency?
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Well with currently just St George's University of London for a partner in the UK and even then asking for entry requirements that could already give you direct entry there would kinda show why.
The other partners which don't require that high entry requirements are the three Med Schools in the Czech Republic recognized by the MMC and UKRIDA Indonesia. It's kinda understandable why it would not be very popular compared to places like IMU's PMS that would allow you to go to way better Med schools but with the same entry requirements that could get you to only places like Czech and Indonesia in TUC.


About the Lecturers for TUC's med school you can look up about them here
http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/medicine...ding.php?id=110
Just click on their names to view their profiles.

I can't really say much on facilities since I'm not a med student and wouldn't know how are the proper facilities that are required and considered good for Medicine.
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oh mai. what has the medical field in malaysia has become.
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oh mai. what has the medical field in malaysia has become.
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Is this not good for the Rakyat? rolleyes.gif

In future, like any other business only the strongest survive.


These days I see soooooo many pharmacist. Hopefully we will get to see a 24/7 RX outlet.

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 12 2010, 04:45 PM)
Is this not good for the Rakyat? rolleyes.gif

In future, like any other business only the strongest survive.
These days I see soooooo many pharmacist. Hopefully we will get to see a 24/7 RX outlet.
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as long as pharmacist doesn't gets full dispensing rights..that would never happen..
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 12 2010, 04:45 PM)
Is this not good for the Rakyat? rolleyes.gif

In future, like any other business only the strongest survive.
These days I see soooooo many pharmacist. Hopefully we will get to see a 24/7 RX outlet.
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it would be a BIG mistake to run healthcare like a business.......believe me........
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Who is in Taylors now? Can anyone from there clarify if they have started their own MBBS program?
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there isn't any information about this in their website.....

the most difficult part of medical training is the clinical component........and we are running out of hospitals to send students for training.....

so i do not think there is any local programme........


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Well with currently just St George's University of London for a partner in the UK and even then asking for entry requirements that could already give you direct entry there would kinda show why.
it's pretty much standard for all uk med schools to require aaa for entry.......and in the near future, maybe 1 or 2 a* as well..........

however, even with aaa, it will still be significantly MORE difficult to go direct entry into a uk med school, than going by the taylor's pathway........bmat/ukcat exam, personal statement, interview..........


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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 12 2010, 10:29 PM)
Who is in Taylors now? Can anyone from there clarify if they have started their own MBBS program?
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When I talked with the Dean Dr. Rahman about their MDTP's partners and would they get more before he did say they were busier preparing for their own MBBS course starting this October though at that time he said so many things were pending approval so he can't say much. Here's a part of an email he sent me when I was asking him about details of the MDTP programme some time back.
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Taylor's University College own School of Medicine is awaiting approval to run its own MBBS program to be started this September. We are fully staffed now and the anatomy lab is fully functioning now. The Multidisciplinary labs and the clinical skills suite are being furnished to be available for use by our students soon.
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Abd Rahman Noor. FRCP(Glasg)
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It's like their new Pharmacy course that's starting this October as well they don't really release much information and there's nothing about it on their website and during open days they use stuff from Cardiff to show to people so most likely the marketing department don't have stuff ready for all this new programmes yet. Like their medicine transfer programme last time they don't really advertise the first batch and they take in a very very small amount of students for a pilot project for the first batch and then only they start putting up info on it for the masses.

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Sep 13 2010, 12:11 AM)
When I talked with the Dean Dr. Rahman about their MDTP's partners and would they get more before he did say they were busier preparing for their own MBBS course starting this October though at that time he said so many things were pending approval so he can't say much. Here's a part of an email he sent me when I was asking him about details of the MDTP programme some time back.
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Approval... hmm... Have the Dean (Dr.Rahman) seen the following video? I suggest you send him the following clip and ask for his comment:




I quote what DG of health said:

"Yes... Certainly... We are recommending to the government to freeze.. so, no more medical school, no more nursing school, no more dental school etc etc...."

Lets see what happen~ brows.gif
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 12 2010, 09:58 PM)
it would be a BIG mistake to run healthcare like a business.......believe me........
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The BIG mistake has already snowballed!


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I quote what DG of health said:

"Yes... Certainly... We are recommending to the government to freeze.. so, no more medical school, no more nursing school, no more dental school etc etc...."

Lets see what happen~  brows.gif
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It is all talk and no action. Anyway he is just a servant, gomen servant.


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Other than the Dean, the profile of the academic staff doesnt look impressive, no?

UTAR Medic faculty academic staff profile is more impressive.
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for all potential med students and med students out there, read this.
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This has come to my attention from another thread in this sub-forum:

http://medic.insaniah.edu.my/main/

It will be added to the list in the 1st page later if there is more information about this program.
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whats the advantage if other country like singapore recognises my degree?
does it mean the Chances of working in singapore is higher -.-
someone told me i must sit for the entrance exam if i tend to speciallise at singa...its MCRPS or something.. i forgot tongue.gif
and could anyone pls clarify this:graduates from monash malaysia are eligible to apply for working position in aussie but not guarantee... is this true?
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Is WHO recognition an assurance of quality MBBS?
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Oct 16 – The Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) degree programme offered by AIMST University has received recognition from the World Health Organisation (WHO).

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Is WHO recognition an assurance of quality MBBS?
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WHO's list is updated by the government of the country itself. So if MMC recognizes it, WHO will.. but it will take some time to be added in the list.

For me it was nothing more than a publicity stunt.
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who 'recognition' means nothing........

in any case, it is not 'recognition' but just registration with who....which means they acknowledge the existence of that med school.......
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Oct 17 2010, 06:35 PM)
who 'recognition' means nothing........

in any case, it is not 'recognition' but just registration with who....which means they acknowledge the existence of that med school.......
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Yet somehow, I know, somewhere out there, there is a parent/agent/relative/con-man who will use that article to fleece entice people to enter AIMST because "even WHO recognises it".

Yes, it took the WHO 9 years to acknowledge the existence of AIMST as a medical school.

Ignorance is bliss indeed.

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Its chancellor, Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu, said the university received the recognition letter on Thursday, which stated that AIMST University was now listed as one of WHO’s recognised universities.

He said the recognition would also enable the university’s MBBS graduates to pursue studies overseas at a higher level.


Like they couldn't previously? Very nicely done Bernama.

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You know the healthcare system is screwed up when....

1. The entry requirement for certain medical schools is CCC in A-levels,TER80 in SAM/AusMat and equivalent.

2. The majority of these schools have no additional screening processes, ie; interviews, standardized tests, etc.

3. When medical schools blatantly advertise in newspapers to attract students, with some offering 'guaranted places' and 'iPhones' as incentives.

4. When most of these schools are understaffed and have little resources.

5. When most of the students in the newer schools are of poor quality. (a generalization, yes... but you can't deny the truth in this statement)

6. When money is essentially the most important entry criteria into these schools.

7. When 90% of the good doctors-to-be want to opt out of the Malaysian health system.

Joy oh joy.

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You know the healthcare system is screwed up when....

1. The entry requirement for certain medical schools is CCC in A-levels,TER80 in SAM/AusMat and equivalent.

2. The majority of these schools have no additional screening processes, ie; interviews, standardized tests, etc.

3. When medical schools blatantly advertise in newspapers to attract students, with some offering 'guaranted places' and 'iPhones' as incentives.

4. When most of these schools are understaffed and have little resources.

5. When most of the students in the newer schools are of poor quality. (a generalization, yes... but you can't deny the truth in this statement)

6. When money is essentially the most important entry criteria into these schools.

7. When 90% of the good doctors-to-be want to opt out of the Malaysian health system.

Joy oh joy.
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When #1-6 is happening, and it is, it's proving your point of how screwed up the system is. That's why #7 is in progress. =)

*I like your forum ID =D brachial plexus =P med,lat,post cord lalalala~*
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Oct 17 2010, 10:13 PM)
When #1-6 is happening, and it is, it's proving your point of how screwed up the system is. That's why #7 is in progress. =)

*I like your forum ID =D brachial plexus =P med,lat,post cord lalalala~*
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Haha, #7 is actually in full-effect now; my student doctor friends in the UK and in Australia have no plans on returning and serving in Malaysia. I too can share their sentiment, for I did not burn my family's savings to slave in a system where I am under-appreciated.

And thank you. biggrin.gif Branchial Plexus ftw.

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QUOTE(BrachialPlexus @ Oct 17 2010, 10:01 PM)
You know the healthcare system is screwed up when....

1. The entry requirement for certain medical schools is CCC in A-levels,TER80 in SAM/AusMat and equivalent.

2. The majority of these schools have no additional screening processes, ie; interviews, standardized tests, etc.

3. When medical schools blatantly advertise in newspapers to attract students, with some offering 'guaranted places' and 'iPhones' as incentives.

4. When most of these schools are understaffed and have little resources.

5. When most of the students in the newer schools are of poor quality. (a generalization, yes... but you can't deny the truth in this statement)

6. When money is essentially the most important entry criteria into these schools.

7. When 90% of the good doctors-to-be want to opt out of the Malaysian health system.

Joy oh joy.
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quoted for truth. smile.gif
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Well, I have doubts.

Can we, undergraduates, actually skip the housemanship and go overseas to do postgraduates?

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Well, I have doubts.

Can we, undergraduates, actually skip the housemanship and go overseas to do postgraduates?
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You mean with a local medical degree? It's already near impossible to get into postgraduate training overseas with Malaysian qualifications so I won't fancy your chances of getting a spot without even going through housemanship.
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You mean with a local medical degree? It's already near impossible to get into postgraduate training overseas with Malaysian qualifications so I won't fancy your chances of getting a spot without even going through housemanship.
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Ah i see. What if graduating from Kasturba Medical College, India?
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Ah i see. What if graduating from Kasturba Medical College, India?
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Perhaps you can work in india?
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haha, thanks anyway for replying.. I was asking on the behalf of my friend..
Am from local college, Manipal..

Have been very doubtful about the future.. sigh!
Wish I could figure out which country to do my electives and, by chance, is there another way than compulsorily completing the housemanship after mbbs?
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if other countries book you before you graduate then yes you can go 'overseas' directly..

but u still need to go through 1-2 years of housemenship no matter where you go..
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Well, I have doubts.

Can we, undergraduates, actually skip the housemanship and go overseas to do postgraduates?
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if your friend is desperate in doing so, he can consider US. US allows u to start residency (postgrad) without any prior work experience. technically residency in spore is also possible but Kasturba/Manipal is not recognised there.

Hope it helps. biggrin.gif
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if your friend is desperate in doing so, he can consider US. US allows u to start residency (postgrad) without any prior work experience. technically residency in spore is also possible but Kasturba/Manipal is not recognised there.

Hope it helps.  biggrin.gif
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yeah heard my lecturer saying that they're aiming to make everyone specialize in a particular area. So in future, GP's might be broken down again into sub areas like family practitioners. Still, I reckon it'll be good if primary care ie gps are around. somehow, making everyone specialize makes it sound like it's fully secondary health care. ><
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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Oct 21 2010, 06:23 PM)
if your friend is desperate in doing so, he can consider US. US allows u to start residency (postgrad) without any prior work experience. technically residency in spore is also possible but Kasturba/Manipal is not recognised there.

Hope it helps.  biggrin.gif
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thanks. Yep, she is heading to the States. =)

I have doubts about electives. Whether you do electives at local or overseas, does it give a hit in the future?
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Oct 22 2010, 12:23 AM)
yeah heard my lecturer saying that they're aiming to make everyone specialize in a particular area. So in future, GP's might be broken down again into sub areas like family practitioners. Still, I reckon it'll be good if primary care ie gps are around. somehow, making everyone specialize makes it sound like it's fully secondary health care. ><
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There'll still be GPs around (those specialise in family medicine), but apparently people dont go to GP for cervical smear anymore they go straight to private OnG lol and that is the trend they are heading to. It's a bit sad aye. And people with palpitations will go for cardiologists straight rather than the front line GPs too haha.


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thanks. Yep, she is heading to the States. =)

I have doubts about electives. Whether you do electives at local or overseas, does it give a hit in the future?
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It depends.

Going to an OECD country (inclusive singapore) will give u an insight on how those healthcare system works over there and on the other hand if you go to a 3rd world country u'll get lotsa hands on.

It may boost your cv IF you managed to clear ur exams. IE. do a 2 month trauma surg in xx hosp in the US and u cleared USMLE part 1 and 2. etc.

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Update on the first page - Insaniah University College MBBS program added.
Total IPTS offering medicine - 17 as of now (october 2010)

http://www.insaniah.edu.my/v3m/index.php?o...mid=489〈=bm

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this is obviously meant for malay/muslims only.....entry requirement is the usual spm credits, and matrik/asasi......didn't bother with stpm, let alone international pre-u's like a levels or ib.......

and yemen!!..........we are indeed scraping the very bottom of the barrel............
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As per this news, John Hopkins will also be added into the list after the details of the program is available, making the total no. of ipts offering medical program 18.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...6678&sec=nation

... I guess our country is going to be in the Guinness Book of World Records for the most medical schools per-1000 population..... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Oct 30 2010, 05:33 PM)
As per this news, John Hopkins will also be added into the list after the details of the program is available, making the total no. of ipts offering medical program 18.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...6678&sec=nation

... I guess our country is going to be in the Guinness Book of World Records for the most medical schools per-1000 population.....  laugh.gif
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John Hopkins is NOT setting up a branch campus but merely giving some assistance in setting up a teaching hospital, whatever it means.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Oct 30 2010, 07:21 PM)
John Hopkins is NOT setting up a branch campus but merely giving some assistance in setting up a teaching hospital, whatever it means.
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Sunday September 26, 2010

Johns Hopkins University to set up medical school and hospital in Malaysia

By WONG CHUN WAI
newsdesk@thestar.com.my

NEW YORK: The world-renowned teaching and research medical institution Johns Hopkins University will be setting up a medical school and hospital in Malaysia.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said a site at Serdang in Selangor had been picked to set up the facilities, which would become a medical research hub for the region.

The medical school, he said, would offer a four-year programme, adding that it would be a private initiative between Malaysian and American investors.

It will be Malaysia’s first private teaching hospital with research facilities.

Speaking to Malaysian newsmen here on Friday evening, he said an agreement would be signed early next month....


Sources:

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...6678&sec=nation
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/S...ory_583599.html

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apparently the source you posted was from the Msian side.
Johns hopkins only mentioned most probably it will assist in the medskol but nothing is finalised yet.
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Taylor's University's MBBS programme is confirmed starting next year.
I was able to get my hands on the fees though didn't have time to catch the Dean to ask about the details for the clinical years etc.
Anyway the full Tuition + Misc Fees are RM307,550 for 5 years. Here's the fee structure.
Attached File  Taylor_s_University____Bachelor_of_Medicine_Bachelor_of_Surgery__MBBS__2011_Fees.pdf ( 1009.15k ) Number of downloads: 1371

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which hosp is it affiliated with?
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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Oct 30 2010, 08:00 PM)
Taylor's University's MBBS programme is confirmed starting next year.
I was able to get my hands on the fees though didn't have time to catch the Dean to ask about the details for the clinical years etc.
Anyway the full Tuition + Misc Fees are RM307,550 for 5 years. Here's the fee structure.
Attached File  Taylor_s_University____Bachelor_of_Medicine_Bachelor_of_Surgery__MBBS__2011_Fees.pdf ( 1009.15k ) Number of downloads: 1371

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I will add this program to Taylors list in the 1st page.
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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Oct 30 2010, 08:00 PM)
Taylor's University's MBBS programme is confirmed starting next year.
I was able to get my hands on the fees though didn't have time to catch the Dean to ask about the details for the clinical years etc.
Anyway the full Tuition + Misc Fees are RM307,550 for 5 years. Here's the fee structure.
Attached File  Taylor_s_University____Bachelor_of_Medicine_Bachelor_of_Surgery__MBBS__2011_Fees.pdf ( 1009.15k ) Number of downloads: 1371

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St.George eh? wonder if they'll terminate their program at IMU.

btw, what hospital will taylors be sending their students to under their local program?
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http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...5102&sec=nation

Perdana U yo biggrin.gif
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Pfft... Perdana U. For a brief period, I was overjoyed that an institution as prestigious as JHU would even consider setting up a branch campus in Malaysia. I guess if things are too good to be true, it probably isn't.
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QUOTE(BrachialPlexus @ Nov 3 2010, 08:45 PM)
Pfft... Perdana U. For a brief period, I was overjoyed that an institution as prestigious as JHU would even consider setting up a branch campus in Malaysia. I guess if things are too good to be true, it probably isn't.
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Sounds like MUST all over again

http://www.must.edu.my/about_history.php
http://web.mit.edu/mit-tdp/projects/malaysia.html

So what happened to the uni now? sad.gif

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many mou's are not worth the ink used in the document........

the underlying philosophy of jhu and msian educational policies are worlds apart, almost at opposite ends of the spectrum.......how can it work?.........

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 3 2010, 10:54 PM)
many mou's are not worth the ink used in the document........

the underlying philosophy of jhu and msian educational policies are worlds apart, almost at opposite ends of the spectrum.......how can it work?.........
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totally agree with you on that. considering theres so many universities to choose from now. how are the smaller medical universities gonna compete now? lowering entrance requirements and making it cheaper!! Its a business after all!

whats are tally of private medical universities now? 30?
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Um hey i would like to clear my doubts.
Is there a huge difference between a degree which is recognized/listed by the WHO and not?
as i know , only a handful of med sch;s in msia is accredited/listed/recognized by WHO right.
can i still sit for amc/usmle and so on without such recognition ?

Thanks for your time smile.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Nov 3 2010, 08:48 PM)
Sounds like MUST all over again

http://www.must.edu.my/about_history.php
http://web.mit.edu/mit-tdp/projects/malaysia.html

So what happened to the uni now? sad.gif
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With Dr. M being the adviser of the promoter of the project, what do you expect? He does not believe in meritocracy and you have to find out on the handicaps.
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What you guys think about Chiropractic?
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QUOTE(kane_WWE_07 @ Nov 6 2010, 01:31 PM)
What you guys think about Chiropractic?
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Here is what I think of CHIROPRACTICS, I quote myself from another thread:

QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 7 2010, 01:03 AM)
See this as well, perhaps you will come to understand:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NBxShj_MEg
Daniel David Palmer (Founder of Chiropractic) says and I quote:

"A subluxated vertebra . . . is the cause of 95 percent of all diseases. . . . The other five percent is caused by displaced joints other than those of the vertebral column." - (From: Palmer D.D. The Science, Art and Philosophy of Chiropractic. Portland, Oregon: Portland Printing House Company, 1910.)

... That is of course is stupid~
http://en.allexperts.com/e/d/da/daniel_david_palmer.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_David_Palmer
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the monash mbbs tuition fees already increased to RM 90k/year...
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u guys think its worth it go pvt medical universities @500k total avrg?
if without any scholarship that is
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well some ppl just plan get the overseas uni cert/qualification but studying all locally cause going overseas are much out of their budget?
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QUOTE(mivec3gs @ Dec 13 2010, 12:26 PM)
the monash mbbs tuition fees already increased to RM 90k/year...
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Done~

QUOTE(zedstat @ Dec 13 2010, 12:36 PM)
u guys think its worth it go pvt medical universities @500k total avrg?
if without any scholarship that is
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I'm not surprised if in the future some of these local medical ipts or medical programs in ipts dies out / close program...
Some of these ipts including the one i'm currently studying in, rely heavily on govt. funded students...

With the news that have been going on about 'too many housemen' in Malaysia, it is a possibility that the govt. may reduce the number of scholarships for medical programs and channel the fund for some other courses...

So, if one were to consider spending RM500K to study medicine, one might as well go and study in some other more reputable foreign universities abroad instead of our local IPTS.

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 13 2010, 01:26 PM)
Done~
I'm not surprised if in the future some of these local medical ipts or medical programs in ipts dies out / close program...
Some of these ipts including the one i'm currently studying in, rely heavily on govt. funded students...

With the news that have been going on about 'too many housemen' in Malaysia, it is a possibility that the govt. may reduce the number of scholarships for medical programs and channel the fund for some other courses...

So, if one were to consider spending RM500K to study medicine, one might as well go and study in some other more reputable foreign universities abroad instead of our local IPTS.
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then again qualifying for reputable foreign unis might be a prob for some, so they settle for local. my course costs about rm585k in total, so it's not far fro the 500k that was mentioned. I think most of the new ipts med course only cost about 300k-ish?
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true enough. i dont think what u get with 500k is really worth it. just for the sake of getting a job.. if earning is ur main concern. might as well invest the 500k or use it as budget for business...

honestly.
unless ur sponsored then its ok
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The tuition fee may be RM450k (Monash) but the living expenses is way cheaper in MY smile.gif
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Dec 13 2010, 01:38 PM)
then again qualifying for reputable foreign unis might be a prob for some, so they settle for local. my course costs about rm585k in total, so it's not far fro the 500k that was mentioned. I think most of the new ipts med course only cost about 300k-ish?
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erm, IINM, IMU one about 430k liao, UCSI about 380k...

QUOTE(zedstat @ Dec 13 2010, 01:39 PM)
true enough. i dont think what u get with 500k is really worth it. just for the sake of getting a job.. if earning is ur main concern. might as well invest the 500k or use it as budget for business...

honestly.
unless ur sponsored then its ok
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because people still have a mindset that you become a doctor u can immediately get back all your returns in one year.
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sigh, ppl with money > overseas uni > face prob with getting pr/job there

ppl with no money > study locally (ipta/ipts) > face prob with job availability

both probs come from own government (endless) @.@
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Public hospitals lose more specialists
http://www.sgmaritime.com/SingleNews.aspx?...rec_code=676184

This article is from Singapore, but the figures quoted should be similar without conversion.(S$=RM)

it says
"In the public sector, consultants earn between $12,000 and $60,000 a month, based on their seniority and specialty."

"A highly successful specialist in private practice can make up to 10 times what he was drawing in the public sector. These top doctors earn more than $1 million a year, with some reputed to rake in more than $5 million."

So i think it's really a matter of your commitment. if you are willing to work hard, the experience and skills you carry along with you will earn you big fortune. smile.gif

(there might be a lot of junior doctors nowadays, but the number of specialists is unlikely to increase tremendously)
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 13 2010, 01:48 PM)
erm, IINM, IMU one about 430k liao, UCSI about 380k...
because people still have a mindset that you become a doctor u can immediately get back all your returns in one year.
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well even 10 years pon susah to get back the 500k
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 13 2010, 01:48 PM)
because people still have a mindset that you become a doctor u can immediately get back all your returns in one year.
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"Kerja makan Gaji" - eg; Govt. Servant @ Govt. Hospital - No way a new doctor can get back RM500K in one year...
Unless he is a specialist of a 'rare specialty' and is working in a private hospital in a developed country.... then... maybe...

Back to the Medical IPTS and Surplus of Housemen issue...

In view of the current situation, Govt. may reduce the number of available scholarships/loans for medical programs in the near future... and this may severely affect certain IPTS that rely heavily on govt. sponsored students --> perhaps to the extent of closing the medical program all together? we will see what happens in the coming years....


Whereas those excellent straight-A's students who aspire to become doctors will probably have to compete even harder for medical degree scholarship or will just have to settle for other field of study... (Engineering? or other science courses? - who knows...)

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to be honest. i dont see the reason for all the hyped of getting to medical school.. i guess its abit overrated. chances to get to work and stability of the job maybe.

as for muslim, its fardhu kifayah also in helping people.
but those really aiming for money, actually other courses can earn triple as much and work less. i guess the one who earns actually is the IPTS.

perhaps govt way of controlling these budding of IPTS is a good way and reduce number of available loans is definitely one of the best way to ensure the quality of healthcare
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 14 2010, 08:24 PM)

In view of the current situation, Govt. may reduce the number of available scholarships/loans for medical programs in the near future... and this may severely affect certain IPTS that rely heavily on govt. sponsored students --> perhaps to the extent of closing the medical program all together? we will see what happens in the coming years....
Whereas those excellent straight-A's students who aspire to become doctors will probably have to compete even harder for medical degree scholarship or will just have to settle for other field of study... (Engineering? or other science courses? - who knows...)
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perhaps this might really help in the future but i got a kind of bad feeling for this. u know y? those future scholars who score good results but wihout the opportunity to get the scholarship enrol in the ipta medical school will probably bring a war/great arguement in this country from the political view. parents start going after the government of this bias. how will the government choose the capable students enrol in this field?
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Prospectus for Taylor's University's School of Medicine for 2011
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Full tuition + Misc Fees for the 5 years MBBS programme are RM307,550
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MEDICAL EXCELLENCE SCHOLARSHIP

Bachelor of Medicine;Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS)

Closing Date: One Month Before Intake Date
RM40,000, RM20,000 or RM10,000  tuition fee waiver per year.

Good results in 2010 ACTUAL results (minimum requirements)

•  A-Level  AAB
•  SAM  ATAR 92
•  CPU  92%
•  AUSMAT  92
•  MUFY  92
•  IB  35 points
•  FIS  85%

Terms & Conditions apply. Interview required.
http://www.taylors.edu.my/prosstudents/popup/preu_2011.php
The MBBS Programme under the School of Medicine has also been added into Taylor's Bumiputera Study Scheme which entitles any admitted Bumiputera students to an RM4,000 per year tuition fee waiver.
http://www.taylors.edu.my/en/university/st...ra_study_scheme

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MEDICAL EXCELLENCE SCHOLARSHIP

Bachelor of Medicine;Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS)

Closing Date: One Month Before Intake Date
RM40,000, RM20,000 or RM10,000  tuition fee waiver per year.

Good results in 2010 ACTUAL results (minimum requirements)

•  A-Level  AAB
•  SAM  ATAR 92
•  CPU  92%
•  AUSMAT  92
•  MUFY  92
•  IB  35 points
•  FIS  85%

Terms & Conditions apply. Interview required.
I'm conflicted; on one hand, i'm glad that Taylor's is trying hard to make medical education affordable to the masses but on the other, AAB/TER92 is HARDLY 'good', and even less so in the medical line.

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New pathway for medicine
By KAREN CHAPMAN
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THE setting up of the Perdana University Graduate School of Medicine will provide opportunities for individuals who decide to opt for medicine after they have completed a different undergraduate degree or pathway.

Most students here who want to study medicine do so after completing the Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM), matriculation or its equivalent.

Johns Hopkins University Department of Medicine vice chair Prof Charles Wiener said some 17-year-old students might not have decided on becoming doctors after finishing secondary school, so the option of a four-year doctor of medicine (MD) programme to be offered at Perdana University would be an alternative.

“These students who decide to do a medical degree later are often more mature and directed towards their goals.

“They may have developed an appreciation for medicine during their first degree or through their research experiences,” he said, adding that his first degree was in economics.

Prof Wiener, who will be dean of the Perdana University Graduate School of Medicine, said entry to the MD programme will be open to individuals who have completed a first degree with the pre-requisite subjects, have sat for the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) and gone through an interview.

The pre-requisite subjects include biology, general chemistry, advanced chemistry, advanced mathematics such as calculus or statistics, physics, and courses in humanities or social sciences. Candidates must also be computer literate and have good writing and verbal skills.

“The first intake will be in September next year and the Genes to Society (GTS) curriculum – used at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine – will be introduced here,” he said.

Prof Wiener explained that the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine began revamping its curriculum in 2003. In 2009, it implemented the GTS curriculum – which is aimed at reframing the context of health and illness more broadly – to encourage students to explore the biological properties of a patient’s health within a larger, integrated system, including social, cultural, psychological and environmental variables.

“The whole curriculum is based on the evolving concept of individualised medicine,” he said.

The MD degree that will be conferred will be from the Perdana University Graduate School of Medicine, he added.

Although the Johns Hopkins University – located in Baltimore, Maryland – has campuses in China, Singapore and Italy, he explained that this was the first foray for the School of Medicine outside the United States (US).

During her visit to Malaysia last month, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin witnessed the signing of collaboration, affiliation and licensing agreements between the Academic Medical Centre Sdn Bhd, Johns Hopkins University and Johns Hopkins Medicine International.

When announcing that Johns Hopkins University would be setting up a medical school and hospital in Malaysia during his visit to the US in September, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak said a site at Serdang, Selangor had been picked to set up the facilities, which would in turn become a medical research hub for the region.

The medical school, he said, would offer a four-year programme, adding that it would be a private initiative between Malaysian and American investors.

Najib said it was a world-renowned medical school and had adopted a different curriculum compared to other institutions.

“They are using the ‘Genes to Society’ curriculum, which is a more personalised medical approach,” he said.

Higher Education Ministry deputy director-general (private higher education institutions) Prof Datin Dr Siti Hamisah Tapsir had said the successful negotiations to bring the Johns Hopkins Medical School to Malaysia was proof of the nation’s appeal as a regional education hub.


Source: http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...1&sec=education
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it will appear more appealing if the MD degree is conferred by Johns Hopkins itself. From the article it sounds to me that Perdana University is just another new private medical school in Malaysia, mabbe more high profile than say like Taylor's or TARC.

I think those with 1st degree should seriously consider Cornell-Qatar, Duke-NUS or even Australian Medical Schools. At least these are more well established, government initiative and the original medical schools are involved in conferring the degree.
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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Dec 19 2010, 01:14 PM)
Hmm... if they used 'John Hopkins University or Johns Hopkins Medicine International' as the name of the institution, it would be better...
The name 'Perdana' University itself is somewhat a repellent to potential graduate-students wishing to join a GEMP (Graduate Entry Medical Program)...


Anyway.. this will be our 18th Medical IPTS in Malaysia.... and will be added to the list....
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QUOTE(BrachialPlexus @ Dec 19 2010, 02:27 AM)
I'm conflicted; on one hand, i'm glad that Taylor's is trying hard to make medical education affordable to the masses but on the other, AAB/TER92 is HARDLY 'good', and even less so in the medical line.
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 19 2010, 03:33 PM)
Hmm... if they used 'John Hopkins University or Johns Hopkins Medicine International' as the name of the institution, it would be better...
The name 'Perdana' University itself is somewhat a repellent  to potential graduate-students wishing to join a GEMP (Graduate Entry Medical Program)...
Anyway.. this will be our 18th Medical IPTS in Malaysia.... and will be added to the list....
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well at least this is our first graduate entry med =) we should be um, proud of it? in a way? =/
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 19 2010, 08:33 PM)
Hmm... if they used 'John Hopkins University or Johns Hopkins Medicine International' as the name of the institution, it would be better...
The name 'Perdana' University itself is somewhat a repellent  to potential graduate-students wishing to join a GEMP (Graduate Entry Medical Program)...
Anyway.. this will be our 18th Medical IPTS in Malaysia.... and will be added to the list....
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Er, i thought our government has just frozen any coming new medical school for the coming 5 years?
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QUOTE(tqeh @ Dec 20 2010, 01:28 AM)
Er, i thought our government has just frozen any coming new medical school for the coming 5 years?
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The arrangement for Perdana University started a while ago before this.
I think that no new application to start a new medicine programme will be entertained from now on, but those who already got the ok before this can go ahead like Perdana University and Taylor's new MBBS.

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QUOTE(zedstat @ Dec 13 2010, 01:39 PM)
true enough. i dont think what u get with 500k is really worth it. just for the sake of getting a job.. if earning is ur main concern. might as well invest the 500k or use it as budget for business...

honestly.
unless ur sponsored then its ok
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You cannot ascribe a value to your education and set it against your costs. Your education is the strong foundation that you need to start your working career. RM500K may be a bit stiff for medic in Monash now. But in 5 years time, maybe doing Commerce or even IT may cost you the same amount in Monash. Fees will keep increasing gradually but if fees were to start reducing, then I think its better to start working then!
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hi guys, just wanna confirm isit all student able to get ptptn loan for the mbbs course in all ipts med school? i saw some previous post saying that able to get 30k/yr, isit true?
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i think i gonna start foundation in science in segi
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hi guys, just wanna confirm isit all student able to get ptptn loan for the mbbs course in all ipts med school? i saw some previous post saying that able to get 30k/yr, isit true?
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Local MBBS degree -you are entitled to. This includes Sunway Monash.
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NUMed Newcastle University Medicine Malaysia
Location: Johor, Malaysia
Degree: Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS)
Duration: 5 years
Fees: RM 450,000
Intake: September
Website: http://www.ncl.ac.uk/numed/
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Hospital: Government Hospitals and Clinics in Johor

SEGi University College
Location: Kota Damansara, Selangor, Malaysia
Degree: Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS)
Duration: 5 years
Fees: RM 286,000
Intake: October
Website: http://www.segi.edu.my/programmes/med/bac_ms.php
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Hospital: Hospital Teluk Intan, Perak
Hospital Sibu



Monash University Sunway, Malaysia
Location: Sunway, Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia
Degree: Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery
Duration: 5 Years (10 Semesters)
Pre-clinical (2 Years) in Monash University Sunway, Malaysia
Clinical Years (3 Years) in Monash University Clinical School, Johor Bahru

Fees: RM 519,000
Intake: February and August
Website: http://www.monash.edu.my
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Hospital: Sultanah Aminah Hospital, Johor Bahru
Interview: Yes
Requirements:
All qualifications should include 3 science subjects:
A-Levels – BBC
STPM – B+ B+ B+
AUSMAT – 80% (aggregate) or TER/UAI 85
NCEA Level 3 – 70%
Canadian Grade 12/13 – 85% (aggregate)
Unified Examination Certificate (UEC) – A2 B3 B4
Australian University Foundation Programmes – 80% (aggregate)
Indian Pre-University – A score of not less than 80% in 3 Science subjects and an average of not less than 85% in all subjects
MOE local Matriculation – cGPA 3.5
Diploma in Science (UiTM) – cGPA 3.5
Diploma in Microbiology (UiTM) – cGPA 3.5
International Baccalaureate (IB) – 33 points, at least two science subjects at the Higher Level (HL) and one at the Standard Level with a score not less than 5 in each subject
American High School Diploma with Advanced Placement (AP) – cGPA 3.5, two science subjects must be AP courses and must have a score not less than 4 in each subject
Degree – BSc (Hons), 2nd Class Upper / cGPA 3.6 • English Language Requirements – MUET, band score of 4 (for Malaysian Students) or IELTS, overall band score of 7.0

Q1: i thought the selection qualification in monah is quite strict with about AAA? ohmy.gif
Q2: new total tuition fees of rm519k?! ohmy.gif
Q3: monash sunway starts aug intake? ohmy.gif

all this infors from http://www.afterschool.my/guides/medical/s...ersities&type=5

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not quite accurate..

http://www.monash.edu.my/advancement/stude...gree/index.html

the MBBS at monash is 90000 per year times 5 is 450000.

and there's only ONE intake per year...which is february..

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okie, from the link i found, mahsa UC's clinical hosp at KL General hosp...lol..true ka?
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Monash requires AAA cause the competition is really2 tough.


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Monash requires AAA cause the competition is really2 tough.
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AAA is not enough la...

here's what they require:

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they don't even list down the minimum requirements. laugh.gif
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hmmm... lets not get into the entry requirement... what about the clinical yr at the ipts stated in the link? can that be wrong infor?
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not sure about segi and newcastle but for monash its correct. smile.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 22 2010, 01:27 PM)
not sure about segi and newcastle but for monash its correct. smile.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 22 2010, 01:15 PM)
AAA is not enough la...

here's what they require:
they don't even list down the minimum requirements.  laugh.gif
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Of course la.. I was putting that to rebut BBC sweat.gif

New requirements for 2012 :

1) Excellent results (not specified anywhere..)
2) ISAT
3) Interview
4) IELTS 7.0

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 22 2010, 02:00 PM)
Of course la.. I was putting that to rebut BBC  sweat.gif

New requirements for 2012 :

1) Excellent results (not specified anywhere..)
2) ISAT
3) Interview
4) IELTS 7.0
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Yes. Medic requirements not mentioned but generally straight A's.

If you try to substantiate your application with commendations and references, the ppl at the counter receiving your application will ask you to take it out and tell you straight that this is unnecessary! They even tell you that no need to show to interviewer and just tell them if you need to.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 22 2010, 02:00 PM)
Of course la.. I was putting that to rebut BBC  sweat.gif

New requirements for 2012 :

1) Excellent results (not specified anywhere..)
2) ISAT
3) Interview
4) IELTS 7.0
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it's good that they require AAA, but TER of 85 is way off. =/ they should jack it up to like at least 93-95ish? normally they won't state the minimum marks for ISAT, unless leaked, like in UWA they require a minimum of 80 for you to be even considered eligible of entering med. Otherwise, they'll just say: do your best =). Surprisingly I found the interview in Monash msia rather enjoyable =/ Structured but not that stressful =) as said in the last post, commendations and references are really useless. I think it's true, it tells who you were, doesnt necessarily tells who you are now. IELTS 7.0 is standard =)
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how;s segi? any opinions abt it?
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QUOTE(interestingsht @ Dec 23 2010, 10:25 AM)
how;s segi? any opinions abt it?
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not even 6 months into the course yet..... good luck to you if you wanna go there smile.gif
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i'm going to take foundation in science there. maybe will continue medic
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Good luck.

One issue I have with 'Foundation of Science' is cost. CUCMS foundation costs RM18k vs AUSMAT (which is widely recognized) in Sunway, also 18k. I dont know how much SeGi's foundation costs but it should be somewhere around there yes?
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10k for foundation after 2k discount
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i think the mmc should ban all foundation pathways into medicine.......all potential medical students should have a proper mainstream generic pre-u qualification..........

some of the 'foundations' are a joke.......especially those russian ones.......might just as well take people straight from spm, instead of the sham 'foundation'............
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unfortunately many students(including the well qualified ones) want to do it the short cut way...not knowing the actual path to be a doctor or specialist is 10-15 years....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 23 2010, 11:42 AM)
i think the mmc should ban all foundation pathways into medicine.......all potential medical students should have a proper mainstream generic pre-u qualification..........

some of the 'foundations' are a joke.......especially those russian ones.......might just as well take people straight from spm, instead of the sham 'foundation'............
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I know that some unis don't allow students from their own foundation course to go into medicine after they've finished it, eg: UTAS and UCSI. any insights of the 'foundations' offered by russia? like how are the units like and stuff =P
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the underlying philosophy of student selection in ipts med schools (and many foreign ones especially in the 3rd world) is NOT that of selecting the BEST possible students......

it's selecting those that can pay the fees......if they can get reasonable quality students, good..........

if not, they will try to 'help' the students........

such help can be, an easy 'foundation'......low entry requirements.....leniency in assessments.....accurate 'spotting' of exam questions......maybe even marks adjustment with the right incentives.....
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Dec 23 2010, 12:05 PM)
I know that some unis don't allow students from their own foundation course to go into medicine after they've finished it, eg: UTAS and UCSI. any insights of the 'foundations' offered by russia? like how are the units like and stuff =P
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I believe UCSI started their foundation in science as a feeder to their Medic programme as the course doesnt seem to have "sufficient" students. Maybe the RM600 application fees and the clinical training in KT are some of the factors affecting them. They are currently building their own clinical training in Seremban now, so there will be a relocation.

I also understand that the first batch of students who graduated last year was well accepted. One managed to get into Singapore and a few managed to go to the US. Not sure doing what but should be in medical related fields.

Course structure should be ok, I think, as some straight As students also did not manage to get thru the semester exams.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Dec 23 2010, 12:28 PM)
I believe UCSI started their foundation in science as a feeder to their Medic programme as the course doesnt seem to have "sufficient" students. Maybe the RM600 application fees and the clinical training in KT are some of the factors affecting them. They are currently building their own clinical training in Seremban now, so there will be a relocation.

I also understand that the first batch of students who graduated last year was well accepted. One managed to get into Singapore and a few managed to go to the US. Not sure doing what but should be in medical related fields.

Course structure should be ok, I think, as some straight As students also did not manage to get thru the semester exams.
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ucsi MD recognize in sg & us?
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it's not recognised in sg, and i guess that's why cckkpr was not sure what they are doing there, mabbe some research work or in pharmaceutical industry. (but some said that un recognised degrees will be considered for medical practice on a case by case basis, not sure thou)

as long as you MD is in WHO list, you can take usmle and apply for US residency.

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smc have taken people from unrecognised unis in as doctors many times before, on a person to person basis........eg, long before they recognised um and ukm 3 years ago, they have taken in graduates from um even in the late 70's.....so theoretically, a usci graduate can gain registration and work as a doctor in spore.........

as for usmle, ucsi is listed in the imed directory and thus students are allowed to sit for usmle to gain recognition to work in the us........

note that most of the new ipts med schools are not in the list.........


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as long as you MD is in WHO list, you can take usmle and apply for US residency.
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they use ecfmg to determine eligibility, and ecfmg uses the imed list, as managed by faimer..........

https://imed.faimer.org/results.asp?country...=Asia&psize=100

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MUFY also foundation what tongue.gif

But to get in, you need an average of 90% sweat.gif
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QUOTE(onelove89 @ Dec 23 2010, 12:05 PM)
I know that some unis don't allow students from their own foundation course to go into medicine after they've finished it, eg: UTAS and UCSI. any insights of the 'foundations' offered by russia? like how are the units like and stuff =P
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since this year ucsi foundation in science students can go directly into the medical/pharmacy programme with good results. smile.gif
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since this year ucsi foundation in science students can go directly into the medical/pharmacy programme with good results.  smile.gif
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UCSI this year has also taken in some foundation students from AIMST.

Well, if you still have places, most still consider on a case by case basis AND if you are financially sound, it would be an added advantage.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 23 2010, 01:00 PM)
smc have taken people from unrecognised unis in as doctors many times before, on a person to person basis........eg, long before they recognised um and ukm 3 years ago, they have taken in graduates from um even in the late 70's.....so theoretically, a usci graduate can gain registration and work as a doctor in spore.........

as for usmle, ucsi is listed in the imed directory and thus students are allowed to sit for usmle to gain recognition to work in the us........

note that most of the new ipts med schools are not in the list.........


Added on December 23, 2010, 1:04 pm
they use ecfmg to determine eligibility, and ecfmg uses the imed list, as managed by faimer..........

https://imed.faimer.org/results.asp?country...=Asia&psize=100
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Dec 23 2010, 02:10 PM)
UCSI this year has also taken in some foundation students from AIMST.

Well, if you still have places, most still consider on a case by case basis AND if you are financially sound, it would be an added advantage.
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medic places in UCSI wil never be filled up..that's y they need foundation ppl... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mivec3gs @ Dec 22 2010, 01:03 PM)
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all this infors from http://www.afterschool.my/guides/medical/s...ersities&type=5
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that list is incomplete for the medical IPTS in Malaysia. As for the latest fee, I'll update it later in my spare time~
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medic places in UCSI wil never be filled up..that's y they need foundation ppl...  laugh.gif
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Why ah? I am also curious. Fees also competitive. You think Mahsa, Masterskill and Segi better?
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Why ah? I am also curious. Fees also competitive. You think Mahsa, Masterskill and Segi better?
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Why ah? I am also curious. Fees also competitive. You think Mahsa, Masterskill and Segi better?
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people first choice will ALWAYS be IMU ma... laugh.gif u can ask those medic students why they wanna do at ucsi lo.. if given a choice, and money factor aside, most will prefer IMU. laugh.gif

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Clinical school too far?
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this might be one of the reasons.
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people first choice will ALWAYS be IMU ma...  laugh.gif  u can ask those medic students why they wanna do at ucsi lo.. if given a choice, and money factor aside, most will prefer IMU.  laugh.gif
this might be one of the reasons.
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