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post Dec 7 2008, 12:01 PM, updated 11y ago

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There has been a neverending stream of speculation about the future of the “Alien” franchise probably since the very moment “Alien Resurrection” crashed and burned with most fans. Could James Cameron or Ridley Scott be weighing a return to the franchise or would we be cursed with more Predator crossovers? These are the questions that can try a man’s soul.

But wait, there is hope! When I chatted with Sigourney Weaver the other day (check out her take on the “Ghostbusters” sequel here), the actress definitely seemed to still have plans for her iconic alter-ego. “There’s definitely uncharted territory for Ripley,” she promised.

However Weaver wondered if the alien itself can and should factor into another film after the exposure its gotten in two “AVP” films. She asked aloud “whether there’s unchartered territory for a creature who’s become somewhat debased by this computer generated thing. I haven’t seen ["Alien Vs. Predator"] but I just think if you overexpose the creature, that’s a mistake.”

Weaver confirmed that she and Scott have discussed re-teaming for a fifth film, “Both of us feel a kind of commitment to that woman. He’s as much responsible for who she is as I am.” Then as she opined on the way the alien creature had been ruined in the recent films, Weaver’s comments got especially interesting.

“We’d have to go back to the drawing board on [the alien],” she said. “Ridley said that right away when we first talked about [a fifth film].”

And finally, the quote that’s gotten me mighty curious, “What we’re interested in is taking the character of Ripley and seeing what other science fiction story we can tell about someone who has lived several lives.”

I didn’t really process what Weaver was saying at the time I suppose but it sounds to me like we might be less looking at “Alien 5″ and more of “Chronicles of Ripley.” Are Scott and Weaver thinking about an altogether different type of sci-fi adventure for the character? Color me intrigued.

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post Dec 7 2008, 12:08 PM

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I tot i saw wrongly Alien 5: Chronicles of Narnia... lolz
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post Dec 7 2008, 12:13 PM

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post Dec 7 2008, 12:36 PM

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post Dec 7 2008, 01:29 PM

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Will watch..but as usual...i will bear in mind it sucks first instead of hoping a 5 star movie. That way, it wont be disappointing so much...
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post Dec 7 2008, 01:43 PM

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Yea, I'm not holding my breath on this one too. I mean Sigourney Weaver is wayy old, and even if the story resumes her as a clone, the clone would still be old. The aliens is still ok and for me, I never get enough of them even if its a plethora of them on screen at one time. Alien Vs Predator was decent, but I do agree that its should be back to just Aliens. Personally, I hope they would go make Aliens 5 to be like Marines Vs Aliens in Aliens 2. And I don't wanna see another new version of Aliens...its just so uglly and fake! The original Aliens was pure freaky and awesomeness!
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post Dec 7 2008, 04:58 PM

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Rather watch Predators. More cool gadgets and skills. Alien is like rawr rawr bite.
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Sigourney Weaver was only present at the Golden Globes last night as a presenter, but that didn't keep her from being hounded in the press room with questions about all her upcoming projects-- and even projects she apparently has no interest in being part of. She talked up her role in Avatar as being a good way to return to space, but when it came to reprising Ripley from Alien, she was more hesitant.

"I think it's more satisfying to create something new. I love the Alien films, but I think enough already," reported ReelzChannel from backstage. That's in contrast to some rumors that have suggested Weaver might be back for another Alien movie-- presumably one that was any good. I'd be fine with Sigourney leaving well enough alone-- she's established herself well enough at this point that I think the woman's earned the right to do whatever she damn well pleases.

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what they should do with the franchise is a new reboot
like what they did with Batman and 007 franchise

we need something totally new and yet familiar

it's time they let Ripley RIP, and return the sneaky, bad ass aliens, and not those recent AVP zerkling like losers

They should start all over again like how Alien started, start from 1 alien, trapped in a spaceship/fortress, while preying on unsuspecting victims.

Hmm... maybe a WW2 era + an Alien won't be a bad idea at all, or even a medieval era will be great

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jan 13 2009, 09:43 AM)
what they should do with the franchise is a new reboot
like what they did with Batman and 007 franchise

we need something totally new and yet familiar

it's time they let Ripley RIP, and return the sneaky, bad ass aliens, and not those recent AVP zerkling like losers

They should start all over again like how Alien started, start from 1 alien, trapped in a spaceship/fortress, while preying on unsuspecting victims.

Hmm... maybe a WW2 era + an Alien won't be a bad idea at all, or even a medieval era will be great

Swords and Shields Vs Alien thumbup.gif
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probably took a few dozen warriors to actually bring one down sweat.gif
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post Jan 13 2009, 05:50 PM

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new movie: Alien VS Ironman Vs Transformer Vs batman Vs spiderman Vs sin city 2 Vs every god dam movie characters ever made.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jan 13 2009, 09:43 AM)
what they should do with the franchise is a new reboot
like what they did with Batman and 007 franchise

we need something totally new and yet familiar

it's time they let Ripley RIP, and return the sneaky, bad ass aliens, and not those recent AVP zerkling like losers

They should start all over again like how Alien started, start from 1 alien, trapped in a spaceship/fortress, while preying on unsuspecting victims.

Hmm... maybe a WW2 era + an Alien won't be a bad idea at all, or even a medieval era will be great

Swords and Shields Vs Alien thumbup.gif
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ww2 where got use swords n shield d?
its more like resistance 1 and resistance 2...
chimeras FTW!
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jan 13 2009, 03:47 PM)
probably took a few dozen warriors to actually bring one down    sweat.gif
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That will be the fun part biggrin.gif
And that's how alien are suppose to like

QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jan 13 2009, 05:52 PM)
ww2 where got use swords n shield d?
its more like resistance 1 and resistance 2...
chimeras FTW!
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you missed the word medieval eh?



any hoo.... I think a story about an alien trapped in a castle during medieval times would be great
Alien gonna love those dark corridors of a castle, and many secret passage ways and dungeons thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jan 14 2009, 03:05 AM)
That will be the fun part biggrin.gif
And that's how alien are suppose to like
you missed the word medieval eh?
any hoo.... I think a story about an alien trapped in a castle during medieval times would be great
Alien gonna love those dark corridors of a castle, and many secret passage ways and dungeons thumbup.gif
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oops my bad...
medievil who knws they need to find a dragon to burn the aliens lol...
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jan 14 2009, 03:05 AM)
any hoo.... I think a story about an alien trapped in a castle during medieval times would be great
Alien gonna love those dark corridors of a castle, and many secret passage ways and dungeons thumbup.gif
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love the idea man.

so it'll be "Dungeons and Aliens"? smile.gif

no sensors and flame throwers, probably ends with Alien being flamed and catapulted away? brows.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 14 2009, 02:52 PM)
love the idea man.

so it'll be "Dungeons and Aliens"? smile.gif

no sensors and flame throwers, probably ends with Alien being flamed and catapulted away? brows.gif
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though i kinda imagine LoTR along the way sleep.gif
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I hope the new alien will be very cute.

like 80% human 20% alien hybrid. Kinda like the catgirl in anime.

hahahahhhahahahahha.


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QUOTE(lamely_named @ Jan 14 2009, 04:16 PM)
I hope the new alien will be very cute.

like 80% human 20% alien hybrid. Kinda like the catgirl in anime.

hahahahhhahahahahha.


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i tot ripley died in the previous episode???
that alien's head looked like somekind of skull...not like the previous alien
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Ripley died in Aliens 3
in Aliens 4 is a clone of her, and she didn't die at the end
the last Alien in Alien 4 is lamest, ugliest and stupidest of all Aliens doh.gif
it's a uber phailure doh.gif

I wish there's no more Ripley in Alien 5, and pls pls pls pls stick to those mean bad ass alien(s) in Alien and Aliens

Seriously, a reboot of the franchise is required. I doubt I'll go watch it in cinema if the next aliens movie is a sequel to the last one. doh.gif
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its kerrigan, the queen of blades biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lamely_named @ Jan 14 2009, 04:16 PM)
I hope the new alien will be very cute.

like 80% human 20% alien hybrid. Kinda like the catgirl in anime.

hahahahhhahahahahha.


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It is Kerrigan Obviously thumbup.gif
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It is Kerrigan Obviously  thumbup.gif
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I hope jim raynor save kerrigan using protoss de-infestation nanites and then marries her. tongue.gif

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or she could just take jim by force and they make a lot of zerg-human hybrid babies. wub.gif


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Carl Rinsch to Direct Alien Prequel

Earlier yesterday, rumors were coming out of horror site Bloody-Disgusting that 20th Century Fox was interested in relaunching the "Alien" franchise with some sort of reboot or remake, following the recent news that Robert Rodriguez would be doing the same thing for 20th Century Fox's other sci-fi creature franchise, Predator.

While there was no confirmation from the Fox camp or the trades, Collider's roving reporter "Frosty" cornered director Tony Scott at the press conference for his own remake of The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 to get confirmation and learned that Scott-Free Productions is indeed producing a remake with director Carl Rinsch helming. They hope that the movie, which is meant act as a prequel to Ridley Scott's original 1979 classic Alien, will be shooting by the end of the year.

The original B-D story suggested that they would return to the original concept of just one alien creature, and that they'd be looking for a new "Ripley."

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Remake !

Do ALIENS 1 again. With the latest tech and CGI. And awesomeness like TDK.


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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ May 31 2009, 05:49 PM)
Remake !

Do ALIENS 1 again. With the latest tech and CGI. And awesomeness like TDK.
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Then wat the title will b? Alien begin?
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None of the Alien movies need updating, just like all of the old great movies. And an origin story is rarely a good idea. I hope they dont go down that road. And who the hell is that director?
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I wanna know who they will select as the new Ripley for the prequel biggrin.gif
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i think hollywood should stop doing re-boot already
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Goddam! I love this series.. really hope they make it.
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Ridley Scott Confirmed to Direct Alien Prequel

After months of rumor and speculation, Variety confirms that 20th Century Fox plans to keep the "Alien" franchise alive with a prequel film that will be directed by original helmer Ridley Scott. The announcement that Fox has hired a writer comes just two months after the 30th Anniversary of Scott's original sci-fi horror film which launched a series of movie sequels, a number of comic books, and two movies that pit the Aliens against Fox's other creature franchise, the Predator. Screenwriter Jon Spaihts has been hired to write the prequel after the studio was impressed by his work on two space thrillers, both for Keanu Reeves, called Passengers and Shadow 19.

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RIDLEY SCOTT ... ALIEN ... AGAIN

This give me goosebumps. Seems impossible to be true.
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great news... so it's a prequel after all.

what's the plot? could it be how the Space Jockey end up as in Alien? or will we see any alien's origin planet?
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prequel in alien planet.
120min movie without talking.

epic awesomeness
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prequel in alien planet.
120min movie without talking.

epic awesomeness
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But how da hell are we gonna understand what are they doing in 120mins w/o talking ?

imagines a screen with 2 aliens standing there seems like talking and some noise.. and i have no idea!!! rclxub.gif
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erm....subtitles??...tongue.gif

who needs talking anyway??....so overrated...
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erm....subtitles??...tongue.gif

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QUOTE(SowYau @ Aug 3 2009, 11:59 PM)
great news... so it's a prequel after all.

what's the plot? could it be how the Space Jockey end up as in Alien? or will we see any alien's origin planet?

You, my friend, somehow had forseen the future with that Space Jockey notworthy.gif

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Space Jockey carcass a suit? Alien Prequels!

To drop another massive name, I was able to arrange a brief sit-down with Ridley Scott prior to his Q&A. I had to sacrifice watching the last hour of Alien, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that movie before. Heh.

- On the Alien prequel: “I sat thinking about the franchise, which now has died on the road somewhere way back and lying in the dust, and thought what I should do is go back… in the first Alien, when John Hurt climbed up and over the top of the rise… there was a massive giant lying in a chair. The chair was either a form of engine or some piece of technology and I always thought no one has ever asked who was the space jockey?”

- The Alien prequel will be broken into two films. The scripts are written and Scott is prepping it now.

- Time frame is way before Alien. Not only will we find out who the Space Jockey is, we’ll find out where his people come from.

- The first Alien was The Old Dark House with 7 people with an unwelcome visitor. Scott loved the script, but it was a very basic screenplay.

-The prequel will go further into the world of terraforming and will focus on the realities of what it takes to leave for another planet. He mentioned the theory of Near Faster-Than-Light travel, which is complete science fiction at the moment; “Mr. Spock stuff” as he called it, rearranging matter essentially, but theoretically possible. “But what we’re allowed to do by movies is to cheat like hell. But I think the closer it is to the truth, the closer it is to the technological feasibility then it becomes that much more interesting. And if it’s a film like the one I’m going to do, then it becomes that much more frightening.”

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Finally - the mystery will be reveal... rclxms.gif
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why need to the reveal the mystery sad.gif , sci fi are best when there is unanwser question.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jun 15 2010, 04:46 PM)
why need to the reveal the mystery  sad.gif , sci fi are best when there is unanwser question.
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Aren't you curious who the space jocket is? hmm.gif
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72 year-old director Ridley Scott sat down with the Independent where he dropped a few little nuggets about his upcoming pair of “Alien” prequels.

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Set 30 years before the 1979 original, so with no room for Sigourney Weaver’s Ripley, the prequels will explore the origins of the deadly aliens. “The film[s] will be really tough, really nasty,” he notes. “It’s the dark side of the moon. We are talking about gods and engineers. Engineers of space. And were the aliens designed as a form of biological warfare? Or biology that would go in and clean up a planet?”


“Lost” co-creator Damon Lindelof is polishing the still untitled Jon Spaihts script, and the films are set to shoot back-to-back in 3D.

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About time. I love Ripley but its time she retire.


On a side note if I may, there's actually a comic short series (4 books) called ALIENS: Apocalypse The Destroying Angels which is kind of a prequel to ALIEN. The theme is similar, an ancient race playing god by creating the perfect organism which drives them and many other space faring civilizations to their own extinction. Good stuff story and visual wise. If the movie is anything like the book, its gonna be A+ thumbup.gif

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I'm partial to this. I love Ridley's work, but, I don't know. Do I want to know what happened to the space jockey and the derelict spaceship? I always wanted to know when I was a kid, but now I like the mystical part of the spaceship and it's origins.

These prequels will not have only one alien species then, but the jockey's as well. And this will also mean humans would already known about both species before Ripley (the AVP movies don't exist to me).
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What a coincidence. I just watched the first movie last week (watched parts of it when I was a kid but never the whole movie). You couldn't quite tell it was a 70's movie (could have passed as a B grade movie from this time) if it weren't for the CRT monitors. The alien still looks as terrifying as ever. Especially when it first pops out on the dinner table. Still gives me the creeps.

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Sep 5 2010, 05:23 PM)
I'm partial to this. I love Ridley's work, but, I don't know. Do I want to know what happened to the space jockey and the derelict spaceship?  I always wanted to know when I was a kid, but now I like the mystical part of the spaceship and it's origins.

These prequels will not have only one alien species then, but the jockey's as well. And this will also mean humans would already known about both species before Ripley (the AVP movies don't exist to me).
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Indeed. Do we REALLY need to know all this? I'll watch the movie for sure, but at the moment I'm very skeptical of it. Ridley's recent work doesn't impress me, and all this talk about the new one being faster-paced and shot in 3D worries me.

QUOTE(masterelr @ Sep 5 2010, 06:22 PM)
What a coincidence. I just watched the first movie last week (watched parts of it when I was a kid but never the whole movie). You couldn't quite tell it was a 70's movie (could have passed as a B grade movie from this time) if it weren't for the CRT monitors. The alien still looks as terrifying as ever. Especially when it first pops out on the dinner table. Still gives me the creeps.
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Totally. I love this minimalistic slowburner to bits. Okay, the alien suit looked dated (good thing you rarely see it), but that aside it hasn't aged one bit. On the other hand, Aliens clearly looks like it belongs in the 80's.

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Sep 5 2010, 08:39 PM)
Indeed. Do we REALLY need to know all this? I'll watch the movie for sure, but at the moment I'm very skeptical of it. Ridley's recent work doesn't impress me, and all this talk about the new one being faster-paced and shot in 3D worries me.
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if want fast paced and shot in 3D better get james cameron to do it, i want ripley to do a space horror movie like the first one.
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QUOTE(masterelr @ Sep 5 2010, 06:22 PM)
What a coincidence. I just watched the first movie last week (watched parts of it when I was a kid but never the whole movie). You couldn't quite tell it was a 70's movie (could have passed as a B grade movie from this time) if it weren't for the CRT monitors. The alien still looks as terrifying as ever. Especially when it first pops out on the dinner table. Still gives me the creeps.
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if want fast paced and shot in 3D better get james cameron to do it, i want ripley to do a space horror movie like the first one.
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While I love Aliens, I feel Cameron partially destroyed what made the first Alien so terrifying by showing how easy it was to kill one with guns. So as far as I'm concerned, the only authentic Alien movie is the first. But the second makes for a superb action-horror movie, albeit one that hasn't aged well. I even like Alien3, which goes back to the roots of the first film by having only one alien stalking the victims. Too bad the direction, while slick, is too MTV-ish for an Alien movie. I wouldn't mind seeing Fincher tackle an Alien movie again, without interference from the studio.
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Yup, that's another thing I'm worried. 3D needs to be shot in bright lighting, or in low light with bright flashy elements because watching in 3D will make the visual a little bit dim.

So, needless to say, Alien isn't Alien if it's there's no dark creepy scenes. But what do I know, maybe with improve technology they can make 3D work in dark scenes, maybe even enhance the creepy atmosphere. We'll see but like you guys I'm skeptical.

By the way, Alien Anthology will be released on October 26th with both theatrical & director's cut for all movies.

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Alien 3 is a much improved movie with Director's Cut (or better known as Assembly Cut). And the documentary on making it will be uncut, showing David Fincher cursing the studio (FOX) on the set!

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Sep 5 2010, 11:11 PM)
Yup, that's another thing I'm worried. 3D needs to be shot in bright lighting, or in low light with bright flashy elements because watching in 3D will make the visual a little bit dim.

So, needless to say, Alien isn't Alien if it's there's no dark creepy scenes. But what do I know, maybe with improve technology they can make 3D work in dark scenes, maybe even enhance the creepy atmosphere. We'll see but like you guys I'm skeptical.

By the way, Alien Anthology will be released on October 26th with both theatrical & director's cut for all movies.

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Alien 3 is a much improved movie with Director's Cut (or better known as Assembly Cut). And the documentary on making it will be uncut, showing David Fincher cursing the studio (FOX) on the set!
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You mean the Limited Edition Egg:

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Sep 5 2010, 08:39 PM)
Totally. I love this minimalistic slowburner to bits. Okay, the alien suit looked dated (good thing you rarely see it), but that aside it hasn't aged one bit. On the other hand, Aliens clearly looks like it belongs in the 80's.
Meh, I beg to differ. The only thing '80s about Aliens is the hair. Everything holds up terrifically well, especially the SFX.

The thing about Alien is that if you show it now to someone who's never seen it before, it wouldn't work as well. The whole movie depends on you not knowing what the xenomorph looks like. That effect is long gone. smile.gif


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The biggest culprit I think is that the sets in Aliens simply weren't very good. I'm not sure if they looked that good even when it first came out, but they damn sure don't stand the test of time. The armored personnel vehicle just looks flimsy now. The exterior shots are mostly rubbish. I don't get the feeling I'm looking at a real planet instead of a set (Alien3 got the outdoors look down in a different yet perfect way). As masterelr said, the only things that looks old in Alien are the computers and the man-in-suit Alien (it must said though, that one shot near the end where we see the Alien lying down in the escape ship and it proceeds to slowly extend and retract its inner jaw is one damn good shot, it looks really organic and somehow feels perverse). Aliens is a movie you will say "hey it looks damn good in its time". Alien is one where you say "hey it looks damn fine even now".

I dont buy that people now won't like Alien just because they know how the Alien looks like. The first alien, while being entirely about a hostile alien lifeform, was never about showing the audience said lifeform. That is why it worked so well. Aliens broke that rule and ran off with its own. It wont surprise me if the younger generation (my generation) cant appreciate a film like Alien, the same reason why it doesnt surprise me how well-loved the Transformers movies are, but show it to someone who actually knows good movies, no matter the age, and I doubt he or she wont be able to at least appreciate it. Hell, I liked Aliens a lot more than Alien when I was a kid, there was even a time when I called Alien boring. I know now I was wrong.



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Despite previous reports from the UK tabloids/newpapers (is there really any separation there?) that had British lovely Gemma Arterton (“Prince of Persia”, “Clash of the Titans”) scheduled to meet with Ridley Scott about possibly playing the female lead in his upcoming “Alien” prequels, word from MTV via Arterton’s publicist is that the meeting was never scheduled, and that there is “no truth to that”.

Of course, this wouldn’t be the first time a celebrity’s publicist told a bold face lie, but when it comes to lying publicist versus the UK tabloids, you gotta figure the publicist wins this one hands down.

Then again, Gemma Arterton fighting off acid-spewing aliens would be kinda hot, in a, “Wow, that’s very unexpected, but I’m so turned on anyway” kinda way…

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The only reason I don't want the Aliens boxset is because I'm OCD with my film arrangements. I wouldn't be able to stand the fact I paid such and such an amount on a limited edition egg set which is labelled as the complete anthology when few years down the line, I will get another COMPLETER version of the franchise. This time with Gemma Arterton's pubic hair as a memorabilia. mad.gif
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Sep 8 2010, 12:51 AM)
The only reason I don't want the Aliens boxset is because I'm OCD with my film arrangements. I wouldn't be able to stand the fact I paid such and such an amount on a limited edition egg set which is labelled as the complete anthology when few years down the line, I will get another COMPLETER version of the franchise. This time with Gemma Arterton's pubic hair as a memorabilia.  mad.gif
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Ah kobe, always the crudest person in the forum

Anyway, she's not bad looking, but I'm unable to see any acting pedigree from Gemma, and I'm bored stiff of all her roles. Hopefully she just gets a minor part and dies.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Sep 8 2010, 09:04 AM)
Ah kobe, always the crudest person in the forum

Anyway, she's not bad looking, but I'm unable to see any acting pedigree from Gemma, and I'm bored stiff of all her roles. Hopefully she just gets a minor part, gets naked and dies.
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Corrected for the truth. tongue.gif
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But to be serious, I wouldn't want unnecessary nudity in an Alien movie. God I really want something that comes close to the first film. Nothing like it exists today. It's simply bygone filmmaking especially for horror movies.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Sep 8 2010, 05:15 PM)
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But to be serious, I wouldn't want unnecessary nudity in an Alien movie. God I really want something that comes close to the first film. Nothing like it exists today. It's simply bygone filmmaking especially for horror movies.
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Aliens> Alien 4> Alien > Alien 3

yes, i prefer Alien:R than Alien or ALien 3
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Sep 8 2010, 05:40 PM)
Ah, what is Quickfire without a mention of knockers!! laugh.gif

I'm kidding, not need to get you "whatevers" in a bunch!! nod.gif
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Sep 20 2010, 01:10 PM)
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Aliens> Alien 4> Alien > Alien 3

yes, i prefer Alien:R than Alien or ALien 3
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I dont think Alien Resurrection is as bad as they say it is, but it clearly is the worst Alien movie... until AvP came out.
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Well, everyone have their own taste on the Alien Quadrilogy of which they like first...

I always feel:-

1). Ridley Scott's Alien is a masterpiece that started it all.

2). James Cameron Aliens turns the masterpiece into a Gung-Ho action flick that works that extends more about the Alien universe.

3). David Fincher's Alien 3 sadly would have been good if not for an incomplete script (which was written and re-written by 6 different people) and he was brought into the movie with little to be prepared for. This was even his debut directorial for films.

4). Jean-Pierre Jeunet's Alien Resurrection feels like another Dark Horse Comic mini-series with a different tale on the Alien universe which I felt should have been put down and not explored. 200 years later and a Ripley's clone plus a hybrid Alien is a big no no.

But to each of their own, I feel It should be from Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection because my reaction towards this franchise (which Alien was one of my favorite sci-fi films) is what it seems. Even the producers said the same thing... unless someone manage to do a better sequel, with something to surprise about...
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2). James Cameron Aliens turns the masterpiece into a Gung-Ho action flick that works that extends more about the Alien universe.

This actually sets JC up for Avatar laugh.gif
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Sep 20 2010, 03:27 PM)
This actually sets JC up for Avatar  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Sep 20 2010, 02:49 PM)
He started it!
Hey, if you guys don't quit it back there, I turning this car around.... oh! I'm not driving!! laugh.gif

The only Alien movie apart from AVP 1 & 2, I didn't like, was Alien3...

The reason I didn't like it was the really REALLY bad script and the fact the Sigourney Weaver went on TV during the promos and STATED for the record that that would be the LAST Alien movie she would be involved in...

So why did she do 4???? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Sep 20 2010, 03:25 PM)
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Well, everyone have their own taste on the Alien Quadrilogy of which they like first...

I always feel:-

1). Ridley Scott's Alien is a masterpiece that started it all.

2). James Cameron Aliens turns the masterpiece into a Gung-Ho action flick that works that extends more about the Alien universe.

3). David Fincher's Alien 3 sadly would have been good if not for an incomplete script (which was written and re-written by 6 different people) and he was brought into the movie with little to be prepared for. This was even his debut directorial for films.

4). Jean-Pierre Jeunet's Alien Resurrection feels like another Dark Horse Comic mini-series with a different tale on the Alien universe which I felt should have been put down and not explored. 200 years later and a Ripley's clone plus a hybrid Alien is a big no no.

But to each of their own, I feel It should be from Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection because my reaction towards this franchise (which Alien was one of my favorite sci-fi films) is what it seems. Even the producers said the same thing... unless someone manage to do a better sequel, with something to surprise about...
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This post speaks the truth.

And as for Avatar...
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Sep 20 2010, 04:05 PM)
This post speaks the truth.

And as for Avatar...
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His next sci-fi movie he use up the same design/concept? laugh.gif

Hope his next flick later go and add this in the bunch:-

Aliens, Avatar and James Cameron latest Sci-Fi title (soon-to-be added) is the same Goddamn Thing. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Sep 20 2010, 04:03 PM)
Hey, if you guys don't quit it back there, I turning this car around.... oh! I'm not driving!! laugh.gif

The only Alien movie apart from AVP 1 & 2, was Alien3...

The reason I didn't like it was the really REALLY bad script and the fact the Sigourney Weaver went on TV during the promos and STATED for the record that that would be the LAST Alien movie she would be involved in...

So why did she do  4???? tongue.gif
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You can't blame Alien 3 for its bad script when there is no complete script at all (all the fault of 5 re-writes).

To say the least, I guess Sigourney Weaver was lured into the franchise because -

A). This one is a clone, not the real Ripley

B). Money, money, money

C). The blardy producers and executive producers can't find a reason not to put Ripley character in and start off with a new one

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I just finished watching all 4 original Alien Movies, the 1st one's the classic but if i rate it i'll go with:

Aliens -> Alien -> Alien 3 -> Alien Resurrection

Aliens just have so much action i have rate it better than Alien, but Alien is pretty good itself, lots of innovation, but Aliens just action from early start till the end non stop.

Alien 3 is abit slow with Ripley the shaved queen the only female in the show
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I watched Resurrection last week, and followed up with Alien and Aliens over the weekend.

Resurrection was worse than I remembered. Maybe they had some balls trying to make a revisionist Alien movie or whatever, but it was poor movie with poor ideas with a few good scenes. And the cast of characters we are stuck with is by far the worst of any Alien movie. I hated all of them, including the new Ripley.

Alien. Well not much can be said anymore. It's just a classic. If only they had shown even less of the alien itself, I would have called it perfect. Most of the scenes with the Alien stand up very well today (better than all the sequels in fact), but the last scene with the alien dangling off the escape shuttle always bugged me because of how fake it looked. I also wished the little chestburster alien didn't just scamper off on a skateboard. But heck, everything else is perfect. A marvel of slowburning, slowbulding terror. The alien might not appear often, but it is omnipresent. Visuals look superb, interior shots of the ship are mesmerizing. First 5 minutes of total silence (except for Goldsmith's great score) is almost unseen of today, culminating with the scene of the crew waking up from hypersleep. You have some of the most naturalistic performances ever seen in a movie. You have the best development and presentation of a facehugger in any of the movies. You have some great sci-fi elements in there. And really, only in the first film is the Alien actually a truly mysterious being. All the sequels degraded this aspect of the alien. Here we know absolutely very little about it, and the movie plays right along to that. We don't know how it grows to be so large in a few hours. We don't know its lifespan. We don't know why it is resting in the end. Is it sleeping? Is it dying? We don't know. Hence, truly an ALIEN. It is also only here that the alien has a kind of sexual trait to it. The facehugger rape has never been more disturbing, and the way the alien approached Lambert is well... up to interpretation. Suffice to say there are sexual overtones to it. All of these are some of the reasons why I consider the alien in the first movie to be the best ever portrayed, and the sequels in one aspect or more diminish it.

Aliens. I loved this as a kid, but the more I watch it the less impressive it is. The first movie has natural performances for normal, very realistic characters. Those have been replaced by action figures spouting (admittedly entertaining) action hero lines. A lot of the build up consists of banter between characters. For sure it's entertaining, but it's a far cry from the delicate and subtle presentation of the first film. It's all gungho now, and all of a sudden we see the aliens aren't that scary anymore we can kill them with guns! Not to mention Giger's original alien design is superior. I prefer the phallic smooth head rather than Cameron's ridged head. The Bluray picture quality looks absolutely stunning, but it doesn't do any favours to how dated the aliens look, especially when they are moving during action scenes. Of course, despite the datedness, the action, always Cameron's forte, delivers. From the 90th-ish minute mark onwards it's all awesome action. And then there's also the majestic Queen, which is just plain monstrosity. All in all I still think this is a great movie, and I don't really regret such a departure in tone from the first, but it is unquestionably inferior to the first.

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It looks like Natalie Portman might be heading back into outer space after all. After being rumored for Alfonso Cuaron’s lost-in-space movie  “Gravity”, Portman’s name has now surfaced as the top dog in Fox’s “Alien” Pequel. Apparently doing a supernatural ballet movie with Darren Aronofsky was the best thing that ever happened to her. God knows wooden acting in George Lucas’ “Star Wars” prequels sure didn’t do much.

The latest word on the Scott “Alien” prequels (there will be two) now has Natalie Portman at the top of the list to front the sci-fi/action movie.

Yes, Natalie Portman. Potentially fighting aliens in outer space. Sheesh. Didn’t they already try this with Winona Ryder in “Alien: Resurrection”? That worked out really well, Fox.

In any case, Portman isn’t the only one on the short list to play a “Colonel Marine General” (???), but Noomi Rapace is right behind her. The “Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” actress is quite the hot commodity nowadays, and honestly, I’d take her over Portman at the drop of a hat. She would definitely be more convincing slaying aliens with a pulse rifle. Could Natalie Portman even hold a pulse rifle? What is she, five feet tall?

Anyways, the other news is that “Lost” guy Damon Lindelof has turned in his script for the movie, which Fox apparently “flipped” for. Why the enthusiasm? Because it can be shot on the cheap (or as “cheap” as big studio movies can be nowadays, anyway), and doesn’t have any big action set pieces. It’ll also be set 35 years before the events of Scott’s original “Alien” movie, and there aren’t enough out-and-out visceral action that the film couldn’t achieve the desired PG-13 rating.

So, a pair of Ridley Scott-directed “Alien” prequel movies starring either Natalie Portman or Noomi Rapace, coming to you in PG-13 goodness. You ready for it?

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PG-13. Sign of doom right there. An Alien movie isn't an Alien movie without an Alien punching a hole in someone's cranium with its secondary jaw.
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Sorry if I'm posting to the wrong thread

I've just re-watched Alien in HD, the remaster is VERY respectable.

Something I never notice before and is bugging me...

Why the HECK does the Ian Holmes character need to go into stasis with the rest of the crew??

Unless to preserve his "identity"....

Hmmmmmm?????
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Nov 6 2010, 06:09 AM)
Sorry if I'm posting to the wrong thread

I've just re-watched Alien in HD, the remaster is VERY respectable.

Something I never notice before and is bugging me...

Why the HECK does the Ian Holmes character need to go into stasis with the rest of the crew??

Unless to preserve his "identity"....

Hmmmmmm?????
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well, i'm not sure if i recall this correctly (i used to have the alien/aliens handbook in the 90s), it states that the androids would need to go into stasis to preserve energy and bodily functions.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Nov 6 2010, 02:42 PM)
well, i'm not sure if i recall this correctly (i used to have the alien/aliens handbook in the 90s), it states that the androids would need to go into stasis to preserve energy and bodily functions.
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Which Ripley is mightier?

Ripley in Alien or Ripley in Aliens??

Give up?

Ripley in Alien.

Why?

She was able to dispose of the Alien wearing nothing but her nitey and space suit!!!?! (In Aliens, she had to use an XO skeleton!!) laugh.gif
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To preserve his (its) identity would be the most logical answer. I dont need another explanation.

Also, I'm probably among the minority but I think Weaver doesn't look bad at all in Alien. She got manlier in the sequels.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Nov 6 2010, 10:41 PM)
To preserve his (its) identity would be the most logical answer. I dont need another explanation.

Also, I'm probably among the minority but I think Weaver doesn't look bad at all in Alien. She got manlier in the sequels.
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To preserve his (its) identity would be the most logical answer. I dont need another explanation.

Also, I'm probably among the minority but I think Weaver doesn't look bad at all in Alien. She got manlier in the sequels.
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well, it would. but that wont explain why bishop still needs to go into stasis in aliens. they had no need to hide its identity as everyone knew that it's coming along. except for ripley.
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Is anyone here reselling this. Was looking for it...  whistling.gif

Still havent got the Blu Ray yet...
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The news surrounding Ridley Scott’s upcoming Alien prequel has been mostly gossip and innuendo till now. One minute it’s not happening at all, the next it’s been pushed back a year, and now none of that’s true and everything’s fine, production starts in March. Oh, and it has a title so we can quit calling it Ridley Scott’s Alien prequel. Here’s the title: Paradise.

That title makes sense in context with some of what we’ve heard about the script. It even fits with those crazy rumors about the thing involving aliens forcing human colonists to have gay sex in an ill-informed effort to make them procreate. Those rumors may not be true, but there was supposed to be an idyllic farm planet, which could be sort of a paradise, and it’s easy to imagine the theme of the whole thing being some sort of riff on paradise lost. That’s just what happens when ravenous aliens show up.

But all we really know about the plot for certain is that the Spacey Jockeys, a new alien race, will be involved and that victims will be picked off by the old familiar aliens. It’s a sure bet that’ll happen mostly one at a time. NY Mag, who first scooped the movie’s title, says in addition to the female part rumored to be for Noomi Rapace, there’s an android character (an earlier version of the Bishop 341-B character played by Lance Henriksen in Aliens) and that Michael Fassbender was up for the role but lost it by asking for too much cash. Someone should probably remind him that he’s still just that British guy who died in Inglourious Basterds.

There’s also a part for a 40-something tough chick called “Vickers” which Michelle Yeoh could be up for. Wait, isn’t Noomi Rapace the tough chick type? In space, I guess all women are sort of badass.

The other role their talking about won’t be cast, because they’re going the all CGI route that Gollum took, unless they cast someone to pull an Andy Serkis and run around in a gimp outfit.

So I guess we can start calling this thing Paradise, though, don’t we need some sort of callback to the other Alien movies in the title? Alien: Paradise may not be the title, but it feels right.

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Sounds promising. I love the Alien series. I hope it gets back on track.
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Charlize Theron in talks to join the cast.
Hope it happens.
Oh, it is renamed to 'Prometheus'

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While talking with the Speakeasy blog at the “Wall Street Journal”, “Blade Runner” director Ridley Scott dropped a few bombs about “Prometheus”, his upcoming return to the realm of science fiction. And what he has to say sounds really damn intriguing, as he drops story nuggets, details of how “Prometheus” fits into the “Alien” mythology, and whether or not Sigourney Weaver will make an appearance.

First up, the plot:

   
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The central metaphor of “Prometheus” is about a “higher being” who challenges the gods, and the gods don’t want to give him fire. “Fire is our first form of technology,” Scott says, and so by taking fire, the higher being is punished “in perpetuity in a horrible fashion.” Much like the story of the mythological god, Prometheus, who stole fire from Zeus and for his actions was bound to a rock with an eagle eternally devouring his liver.


This stealing technology from the gods theme is fertile ground to explore, especially from a sci-fi perspective, and it will be curious to see how this plays out in space with space-age tech.

It has long been speculated, reported, assumed, and denied, that “Prometheus” is a prequel to “Alien”. Scott sheds a bit of light on that one, saying that, “The last eight minutes of the “Prometheus” story evolve into “a pretty good DNA of the ‘Alien’ one.” To my mind that sounds suspiciously like an admission that “Prometheus” sets up the “Alien” franchise, though it is, of course, vague and inconclusive. But whatever, I’ll take it.

The Speakeasy article also confirms that Sigourney Weaver, who appeared in the previous four “Alien” movies (am I the only one that doesn’t count the “Alien Vs. Predator” movies into this cannon, or is that the way most people see it?), will not show up in “Prometheus”. So, those of us hoping to see Ripley kick a little more alien ass will have to settle for rewatching the original quadrilogy. Worse things have happened.

Scott also discusses that, while he has accepted and welcomed some of the technological advances in speculative film making, he still has mad love for old school, practical special effects. He says, “I’m a great believer in filming the real thing if you can and so I did a lot of building the real thing.” That brings a smile to my face. The visceral fear that the monsters in the original films create is one of my favorite parts of that movie, and I know there have been great advances in digital technology, but there is a primal, animal reaction that concrete effects can create that are hard to duplicate with pixels and a green screen.

Shot in 3D, “Prometheus” is now in post-production and stars Michael Fassbender (“X-Men: First Class”, “Inglorious Basterds”), Academy Award winner Charlize Theron (“Monster”), Idris Elba (“The Wire”), and Noomi Rapace (“The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo”), among others, and is scheduled for release June 8, 2012.

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Check out three new official images from Ridley Scott’s sci-fi not-”Alien”/”Alien” prequel “Prometheus” in this week’s issue of Entertainment Weekly. The film is due out June 8th, 2012, just in time for Summer, of course.

The plot goes thusly:

   
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Ridley Scott, director of ‘Alien’ and ‘Blade Runner,’ returns to the genre he helped define. With ‘Prometheus’ he creates a groundbreaking mythology in which a team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a thrilling journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race.


The film stars Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Patrick Wilson, Logan Marshall-Green, Ben Foster, and of course, the ever ubiquitous Michael Fassbender.


Note:- Actual images are in the source link.
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definitely a movie that i look forward to watch in 2012
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DAMN I am so excited to watch this movie smile.gif

definitely a movie that i look forward to watch in 2012
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I suspect this bootleg teaser trailer for Ridley Scott’s return to his “Alien” roots will disappear pretty fast, but until it does, take a gander at your very first look at a whole minute of “Prometheus” goodness. It’s an awful copy, and if I were you I wouldn’t ruin your first-looksee at the trailer via this miserable copy. But hey, you’re not me, so do what you have to. I ain’t gonna judge. Much.

   
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The film follows a team of explorers who discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There, they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race.


“Prometheus” takes flight with Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, and Sean Harris, with Ridley Scott once again back in the Captain’s Chair.

The fun begins June 8, 2012.



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After all the teasing and the usual lawyer-happy tactics Fox has been using to keep Ridley Scott’s “Prometheus” away from the online universe for as long as possible, here’s your first look at the movie’s official poster. Yes, it’s dark and shadowy and you can barely tell what’s happening, but I suppose that’s part of the studio’s whole “this movie is so good, so awesome, we don’t want to show you too much!” angle to selling the film. Let’s hope the finished product is worthy of all that hype.

With the poster now out, will the official trailer be far behind? One hopes so, especially with “The Dark Knight Rises” full trailer expected this Friday or thereabouts.

In the film, “a team of scientists and explorers are on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life’s ultimate mystery.”

Starring Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, Sean Harris, and directed by Scott.

The film is due out next Summer.

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When is someone going to top this with a Dead Space (computer game) adaptation (not animated one) ?
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now that prometheus will be coming out, its likely that there will be another anthology blu ray boxset of all alien movies. that being said, should i wait or buy the current one? seeing as how the reviews i read only said alien and aliens (1 n 2) are remastered digitally and aliens 3 and the rest are not...

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Apparently we’re at the point as movie fans where just a trailer is not enough to get us excited. Now we get trailers for trailers. The latest upcoming film to make use of this trend is “Prometheus”, Ridley Scott’s (“Alien”, “Blade Runner”) impending return to the sci-fi genre. The full trailer drops this Thursday, December 22, but until then you have this little glimpse to sate your appetite.

There isn’t a whole lot to this, but you get a peek at Michael Fassbender with some stylin’ blond highlights, some decidedly “Alien” looking set pieces, and some of that sweet boiling acid that fans of the original series love so much. “Prometheus” is loosely connected to the “Alien” cannon, though exactly how much remains to be seen. From this footage the relation seems obvious, but that could easily be a publicity ploy banking on the fan nostalgia for the original.

   
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With “Prometheus”, he [Scott] creates a groundbreaking mythology, in which a team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a thrilling journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There, they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race.


“Prometheus” is still six months away, and opens June 8, 2012. Directed by Scott, the film stars Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, and Guy Pearce.



Official Trailer Spot #1

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Hmm I like that poster, but who is that at the bottom? The way she stands is kinda sexy, definitely not a vibe I want coming off the poster for an ALIEN movie.
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The last time Ridley Scott did a good film, Harrison Ford was still cool (get the hint?) so color me uninterested.
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Here’s the third and final preview for Ridley Scott’s “Prometheus”, which unveils its first official trailer tomorrow. The rest of the teasers (three in all) are also added below in order. Enjoy. (Or not. See if I care.)

   
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Ridley Scott, director of “Alien” and “Blade Runner,” returns to the genre he helped define. With PROMETHEUS, he creates a groundbreaking mythology, in which a team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a thrilling journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There, they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race.


Starring Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Guy Pearce, Idris Elba, Logan Marshall-Green, Charlize Theron, and blowing your minds (or not) June 8, 2012.



The Complete Promo Trailer Spot #1 to 3

Once the actual theatrical trailer is up, I will update...
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i'm in the dark about this movie for a while...
so does this movie is still a prequel to alien??
gosh i hope we'll finally learn something about Space Jockey!!
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i dont see any aliens in the trailer
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Well, the studio’s certainly made you wait for it long enough, so here it is, the first official teaser trailer for Ridley Scott’s return to the genre he helped defined … or so Fox keeps telling me. So, is it everything you hoped it would be? Was all the mysterious set images and the mind-boggling question of “is it or isn’t it” an “Alien” prequel finally answered? Well, that probably depends entirely on your expectations, I suppose. I thought it would be an interesting sci-fi movie, but I never really bought into the hype that “Prometheus” would somehow re-define the genre — again. In any case, judge for yourself by viewing the trailer below.

The plot of “Prometheus” finds a team of scientists and explorers are on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life’s ultimate mystery. Yeah, not all that ambitious whatsoever, just that whole meaning of life stuff, heh.

The impressive cast includes Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, and Sean Harris.

Launching June 8, 2012.



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Did I just see that guy from Black Eyed Peas?

Did someone look like he's got acid in his face?

Most important of all:-

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Did I just see that guy from Black Eyed Peas?

Did someone look like he's got acid in his face?

Most important of all:-

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No, that guy is Idris Elba.

And yes, in the clip - it does look like there's acid in there.

Further more, the ship is there... and hell yes to your spoiler! thumbup.gif
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OK I'm officially psyched about this. The trailer looks really good, and the sets.... hell yes. Looks like Ridley wants to replicate the look of the original Alien.

That said, I do have some concerns regarding the big action spectacle scenes with CGI. I hope the movie isn't littered with it, as that would definitely detract from the ALIEN experience. I want the slow crawling pace of the original please!
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Dec 23 2011, 12:49 PM)
OK I'm officially psyched about this. The trailer looks really good, and the sets.... hell yes. Looks like Ridley wants to replicate the look of the original Alien.

That said, I do have some concerns regarding the big action spectacle scenes with CGI. I hope the movie isn't littered with it, as that would definitely detract from the ALIEN experience. I want the slow crawling pace of the original please!
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Will never know until its out. Michael Fassbender as an android... thumbup.gif

More entirely, after what I read about what this movie plot will be... I do have some doubts. Its not easy how they going to pull this how even though they did say its not entirely connected to 1979's Alien but some what the essence is there. The derelict ship, the space jockey... the acid sequence...

What's even more deeper than that is how true the trailer is showing a few things, which I do have fear what it might turn out even... but I am crossing fingers until June next year and hope it will really answer all the questions there is.

Also, Prometheus takes place in the year of 2080, 30 years prior to Alien... I think a lot of things will be answered... and hopefully, its a satisfying one as well if able to deliver well.
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To me, I already have an idea in my head how this movie will end.

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I remember the first time I watched Alien, the space jockey looked very eerie to me.
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what exactly is this "space jockey"? cant recall it in alien series.

and i thought charlize theron is the main actress in this movie, seems like one of the sub character only. from a short glimpse from the trailer, possible android or alien infected also..

so meaning most likely this character will die in this movie. sigh...
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Dec 23 2011, 03:44 PM)
what exactly is this "space jockey"? cant recall it in alien series.

and i thought charlize theron is the main actress in this movie, seems like one of the sub character only. from a short glimpse from the trailer, possible android or alien infected also..

so meaning most likely this character will die in this movie. sigh...
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Chuckle - time for you to watch the first movie already...

The entire movie the cast nobody is main... although some say its Noomi Rapace that will be the lead...
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I remember the first time I watched Alien, the space jockey looked very eerie to me.
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Dec 23 2011, 03:55 PM)
Chuckle - time for you to watch the first movie already...

The entire movie the cast nobody is main... although some say its Noomi Rapace that will be the lead...
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Well she has a bit of that Sigourney Weaver vibe around her, although she doesn't have that classic Weaver motherly trait. There's a shot of a character's head upside down in the trailer, I think it was right after the title PROMETHEUS is fully revealed. Anyone else think that shot resembles Ripley? Was that Rapace's face?
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Dec 23 2011, 04:17 PM)
Well she has a bit of that Sigourney Weaver vibe around her, although she doesn't have that classic Weaver motherly trait. There's a shot of a character's head upside down in the trailer, I think it was right after the title PROMETHEUS is fully revealed. Anyone else think that shot resembles Ripley? Was that Rapace's face?
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It is Rapace alright (confirm by certain sites)... but what is she doing upside down is the question.

All of a sudden... I think of Roger Corman's Galaxy of Terror... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Dec 23 2011, 03:44 PM)
what exactly is this "space jockey"? cant recall it in alien series.

and i thought charlize theron is the main actress in this movie, seems like one of the sub character only. from a short glimpse from the trailer, possible android or alien infected also..

so meaning most likely this character will die in this movie. sigh...
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u need to watch the first Alien to remember it. or u just can use google
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Will never know until its out. Michael Fassbender as an android...  thumbup.gif

More entirely, after what I read about what this movie plot will be... I do have some doubts. Its not easy how they going to pull this how even though they did say its not entirely connected to 1979's Alien but some what the essence is there. The derelict ship, the space jockey... the acid sequence...

What's even more deeper than that is how true the trailer is showing a few things, which I do have fear what it might turn out even... but I am crossing fingers until June next year and hope it will really answer all the questions there is.

Also, Prometheus takes place in the year of 2080, 30 years prior to Alien... I think a lot of things will be answered... and hopefully, its a satisfying one as well if able to deliver well.
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agreee!

I mean looking at aliens fighting is cool, but the recent alien vs predator, its like looking at the alien nothing special or scary

Last time the alien come out here and there, omg scary like f***
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agreee!

I mean looking at aliens fighting is cool, but the recent alien vs predator, its like looking at the alien nothing special or scary

Last time the alien come out here and there, omg scary like f***
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Here's one interesting fact:-

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At the end of AVPR, when I saw the finale of how it end, it does make me wonder who these two merge as one... and the story behind it... even though AVPR is doh.gif
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The film ends where Alien begins so I think we can stop debating the end already since Scott told us that much.

But dayum, this looks sick but I cannot be the only one who got the Dead Space vibe from the trailer, can I? I am sold.
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re-watched the making of alien - the beast within. the chest burst scene is just epic, and the actors freaking out (literally) especially the blond girl who was really in shock is awesome! Ridley is so good!
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re-watched the making of alien - the beast within.  the chest burst scene is just epic, and the actors freaking out (literally) especially the blond girl who was really in shock is awesome!  Ridley is so good!
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Prometheus trailer, shot to shot analysis...

http://www.empireonline.com/features/prome...iler-breakdown/
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Dec 23 2011, 11:32 PM)
The film ends where Alien begins so I think we can stop debating the end already since Scott told us that much.

But dayum, this looks sick but I cannot be the only one who got the Dead Space vibe from the trailer, can I? I am sold.
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You're not the only one. The original Alien was well crafted by Ridley and it was so way ahead of its time that many good sci horror tried to re-emulate. Event Horizon, Dead Space to name a few. I really like the trailer a lot, i get the the original Alien vibe from watching it and that could only be a good thing.

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Two thirds of the movie will be slow atmospheric greatness ala the first Alien. It then all hinges on how good the last act will be, the obviously grand, slam bang finale with the admittedly great-looking CGI. This last act will determine if this is a great movie or a merely decent one.

From the looks of the teaser anyway.
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Ridley Scott promises that one big question from his 79's scifi will be answered...smile.gif
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the jockey? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Mentah mental Scott's explaination on the space jockey is its fighting incoming predators aerial battleship! doh.gif sambung balik AVP punya story! tongue.gif

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Mentah mental Scott's explaination on the space jockey is its fighting incoming predators aerial battleship!  doh.gif sambung balik AVP punya story!  tongue.gif
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Ai yoh... you think Ridley will really sambung itu trash meh...  shakehead.gif
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Haha. Kidding, dude but the 2 AVP movie are just, in your word, trash!
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Haha. Kidding, dude but the 2 AVP movie are just, in your word, trash!
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totally - why they made it as slugfest is beyond me. Paul W.S. Anderson - while I do enjoy his Death Race (yes, I know some of you don't), Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon, this is his worst take on AVP... and then the sequel is just doh.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif

No more AVP 3... just leave it as these two is enough and hope FOX really have the brains for it...
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Dec 30 2011, 10:15 PM)
totally - why they made it as slugfest is beyond me. Paul W.S. Anderson - while I do enjoy his Death Race (yes, I know some of you don't), Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon, this is his worst take on AVP... and then the sequel is just  doh.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif

No more AVP 3... just leave it as these two is enough and hope FOX really have the brains for it...
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Paul W.S. Anderson - while I do enjoy his Death Race (yes, I know some of you don't), Mortal Kombat and Event Horizon, this is his worst take on AVP... and then the sequel is just  doh.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif
Paul W.S. Anderson taboleh harap punya laa. Did you watch his The Three Musketeers? Facepalm sefacepalm-facepalmnya.


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Paul W.S. Anderson taboleh harap punya laa. Did you watch his The Three Musketeers? Facepalm sefacepalm-facepalmnya.
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Can one la - not all his movies are bad. Of course, The Three Musketeers is so-so and nothing exceptional (I wonder why he even direct The Three Musketeers)... but give credit to him for Mortal Kombat, which how the movie made his name as well (even though the movie is cheesy)
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Watch Guy Pearce as Peter Weyland from Ridley Scott’s Prometheus Give a Speech

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There’s a long story behind this viral video of Guy Pearce playing Peter Weyland giving a speech to a crowd about changing the world and becoming Gods, in case you were wondering. Pearce’s Weyland is famous in the Ridley Scott “Alien” universe — or at least, his family tree is, as they are one half of the Weyland-Yutani corporation responsible for the Nostromo, the commercial ship in the first “Alien” movie. The corporation would show up time and time again in the sequels. It’s all very inside baseball unless you’re a sci-fi/”Alien” fan, so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Suffice it to say, by having a character name Peter Weyland be responsible for the ship that sends Prometheus into space, Scott is essentially tying “Prometheus” to his “Alien” universe.

The video was “conceived” by “Prometheus” director Ridley Scott and screenwriter Damon Lindelof, and directed by Luke Scott. Note: it is NOT a scene from the movie, but does give us an explanation (of sorts) on why the Prometheus crew is out there in space in the movie. It would appear their boss’ hubris has a lot to do with it.

“Prometheus”, starring Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, Sean Harris, takes flight June 8, 2012.[/SIZE]



Guy Pearce giving a speech in this viral video
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Some fan theories smile.gif

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if the Space Jockey really look like that this is quite disappointing, it looks like those aliens from Avatar doh.gif
no where near HR Giger's design...

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BTW 4 months until this movie comes out and we only have 1 trailer ???
we should be having like 2 right now



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Source:- http://www.beyondhollywood.com/watch-guy-p...-give-a-speech/

Guy Pearce giving a speech in this viral video
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Interesting clip, although I can't say it was particularly well directed, especially for an ALIEN feature. The camera was always-moving, and the whole thing was too glitzy to work in the original ALIEN moody atmosphere. Guy Pearce was very good, as always.

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IMAX teaser trailer



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2 minutes worth of new scenes


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QUOTE(Fatimus @ Mar 18 2012, 11:51 AM)
2 minutes worth of new scenes


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Holy shi a second trailer finally !

wtf is this ? proto Alien ?

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Superb vision from ridley scott. Top form
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Baby space jockey ?

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Looks familiar..
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That proto alien thing again
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Exciting stuff indeed. With hype like this, this is either going to be the best film this year or a disappointment.

And I think it's becoming quite clear that Noomi Rapace is the lead in this. It figures, with her being rather similar in looks with Weaver ("girl who kicks ass"). Unless of course Ridley pulls the same trick he did in 1979 and we have a surprise protagonist.

Maybe Noomi's character is related to Ripley?
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exciting indeed.
the new trailer did show a lot of new scenes..weeeeeeeeeeee rclxms.gif
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anyone with the good skill in hacking or would be able to decipher the password??

http://www.projectprometheus.com/245409/




http://www.movieviral.com/2012/03/18/prome...s-at-wondercon/

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clues??


some viral marketing work that's being done

https://www.weylandindustries.com/#/timeline





Big things has small beginnings...

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The new international trailer, which is much better than the US trailer in terms of tone.


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i liked the US trailer's cut. A lot more tempo in the music

the international trailer... charlize theron!! (even if it was brief 1/2 second of her doing push up in.. cool2.gif )
& what's with her (charlize) with michael fassbender penis (reference) ? rolleyes.gif (goggle news)


there is more glimpse of the space jockey appearing..


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finally, i manage to get the entire storyline.

here goes

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finally, i manage to get the entire storyline.

here goes

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Haha I had read that somewhere else too, i think it's a pretty accurate guess

and this is the supposedly leaked script
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/leaked_script.txt

I don't think it's real, but i'm still not reading it laugh.gif

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The password for the original Project Prometheus /245409 has been found, and it reveals another new image. The number is apparently part of the name of a star where the “Cosmic Call 2″ was sent, the structure of which makes up the password: “DDM2DDM2DDM2AMAMAMBIGBIGBIGBMESMPP,”.


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A new subpage to the Project Prometheus website was recently found, titled Eridu. Eridu is an ancient Sumerian city in what is now Tell Abu Shahrain. When you type in “tell abu shahrain” into the login section, a new high-res image for the film Prometheus comes up.


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http://www.movieviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/project-prometheus.jpg


sos kicap: http://www.movieviral.com/2012/03/21/new-i...etheus-website/

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Can't wait for this.

Love the latest us trailer, one of the more intense trailer I've seen in years.
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Just a lil trailer I think that's not posted on here yet.


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Michael Fassbender Will Creep You The Hell Out in New Prometheus Viral Video

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I love the fact that this latest “Prometheus” viral video plays on the whole “synthetic guy among the crew goes crazy” vibe that the “Alien” franchise is known for, though the synthetic guy proved his mettle in the second movie, to be fair. Here’s Michael Fassbender, playing the latest and greatest creation of Weyland Industries, celebrating his birthday. I bet he can blow out a ton of candles. Probably.

   
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A team of scientists and explorers are on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life’s ultimate mystery.


Starring Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, and Sean Harris.

Ridley Scott and company goes explorin’ June 8, 2012.



Introducing David 8 Viral Video
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[quote=hairyLGS,Apr 18 2012, 05:26 PM]
Source:- http://www.beyondhollywood.com/michael-fas...us-viral-video/
Starring Michael Fassbender, Noomi Rapace, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Guy Pearce, Ben Foster, Logan Marshall-Green, Kate Dickie, and Sean Harris.

Ridley Scott and company goes explorin’ June 8, 2012.[/quote]


Introducing David 8 Viral Video
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I thought his performance even in this little viral video was AMAZING!!! Totally captured the essence of a robot/Android can't wait to see the whole film!!
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QUOTE(Frankmiller92 @ Apr 18 2012, 07:45 PM)

Introducing David 8 Viral Video

I thought his performance even in this little viral video was AMAZING!!! Totally captured the essence of a robot/Android can't wait to see the whole film!!
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Rutger Hauer portrayal as the replicant in Ridleys Scott 'blade runner' would be up there too cool2.gif

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Rutger Hauer portrayal as the replicant in Ridleys Scott 'blade runner' would be up there too cool2.gif
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I know right! Coincidentally I watched Bladerunner last night and I came across this video today! The part when the commentator ask "What makes you sad, David?" and Fassbender's toned changed dramatically is simply... urgh!! no words can describe it. June can't come fast enough!


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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 18 2012, 07:38 PM)
Rutger Hauer portrayal as the replicant in Ridleys Scott 'blade runner' would be up there too cool2.gif
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Oh my comment was actually in reference to some people who think the video is creepy/stupid etc etc

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Oh my comment was actually in reference to some people who think the video is creepy/stupid etc etc
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The thing is today's movie goers esp those kids don't know quality.

Francis ford Coppola, Stanley Kubrick, wont find a movie to direct as many will be saying the cant understand nor stand the pacing of their movies.

Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey will bomb in today environment, much less only less then 1/2 who watch then understood that movie even then

There is no better sci fi (thriller) story teller then Ridley Scott.

I don't foresee ridley scott's prometheus surpassing even lame "hunger games". This plot might confuse movie goers who are used to watching "tv tube reality shows" . Go figure. cool2.gif

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Clip has Kubrick vibes, especially the sterile environment and lighting.
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The thing is today's movie goers esp those kids don't know quality.

Francis ford Coppola, Stanley Kubrick, wont find a movie to direct as many will be saying the cant understand nor stand the pacing of their movies.

Stanley Kubrick's  2001: A Space Odyssey will bomb in today environment, much less only less then 1/2 who watch then understood that movie even then

There is no better sci fi story triller story teller then Ridley Scott.

I don't foresee ridley scott's prometheus surpassing even lame "hunger games". This plot might confuse movie goers who are used to watching "tv tube reality shows" . Go figure. cool2.gif
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Sadly, Sir Ridley Scott personally stated that moviegoers today loves to be challenged and do not expect to be spoon fed... I hope his faith in moviegoernity is rewarded... I would cry if this movie bombed like John Carter. Is this film Rated R or pg-13 now?? rclxub.gif I heard MPAA slapped an R rating... dunno if Fox wants to Appeal or Edit or God willing make it R!
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QUOTE(Frankmiller92 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:20 PM)
Sadly, Sir Ridley Scott personally stated that moviegoers today loves to be challenged and do not expect to be spoon fed... I hope his faith in moviegoernity is rewarded... I would cry if this movie bombed like John Carter. Is this film Rated R or pg-13 now?? rclxub.gif I heard MPAA slapped an R rating... dunno if Fox wants to Appeal or Edit or God willing make it R!
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Its definitely an R for sure. If its PG-13 - I feel very disappointed...
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Can't wait for this.

Still can not understand much from the trailer.
Have to watch the movie.

We knew the ending though when we watch the 'Alien'.

Quite similar with 'Alien'...a distress call but it's a trap.(?)


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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Apr 18 2012, 10:54 PM)
Can't wait for this.

Still can not understand much from the trailer.
Have to watch the movie.

We knew the ending though when we watch the 'Alien'.

Quite similar with 'Alien'...a distress call but it's a trap.(?)

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The director said it is COMPLETELY different from the ALien series. So u don't need to worry about "knowing" the ending haha. I'm sure we are in for one hell of a ride thumbup.gif
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Wow that David 8 clip is simply stunning. The lighting, the music and the line delivery works so well together. And the retro elements makes it all more nostalgic. It's beautiful yet disturbing to see him cry like that out of the blue. Good follow up to the Guy Pearce Ted clip where he said in just few years his company would be able to produce a human-like android. Amazing stuff.
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The runtime fiasco
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/23602/-pr...time-longer-cut

Production designer talks about the film
http://latino-review.com/2012/04/18/promet...discusses-film/
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QUOTE(Frankmiller92 @ Apr 18 2012, 11:20 PM)
Sadly, Sir Ridley Scott personally stated that moviegoers today loves to be challenged and do not expect to be spoon fed... I hope his faith in moviegoernity is rewarded... I would cry if this movie bombed like John Carter. Is this film Rated R or pg-13 now?? rclxub.gif I heard MPAA slapped an R rating... dunno if Fox wants to Appeal or Edit or God willing make it R!
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moviegoers challenged, yes; but the vast majority of "masses" that ensures some movies surpassing 'blockbuster' records, even holding titles aren't in ridleys scope of "not expecting some sort of spoon feeding moviegoers". cool2.gif



QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Apr 18 2012, 11:54 PM)
Can't wait for this.

Still can not understand much from the trailer.
Have to watch the movie.

We knew the ending though when we watch the 'Alien'.

Quite similar with 'Alien'...a distress call but it's a trap.(?)

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i think its best to forget about previous 'alien' or the other dreadful 'alien vs crap', think nothing of the continuity...

if there is any remedy to piece some jigsaw of 'Prometheus", just preview ridley's 'alien'. Don't think you need even cameron's "Aliens" nor finchers "Alien 3". (they are good on their own but it's more of ripleys survival) smile.gif


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Michael Fassbender looked like Bishop.

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Seriously, the viral videos are very good so far.
Must say the David somewhat remind me of HAL. *Goosebump*
Anyway, I pray that the movie is just as good.

I can imagine a reboot is coming IF this movie is a success.
I know a lot of people loathe that idea.
But with what we've seen in the Prometheus trailer, I bet it will look epic at least.

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Seriously, the viral videos are very good so far.
Must say the David somewhat remind me of HAL. *Goosebump*
Anyway, I pray that the movie is just as good.

I can imagine a reboot is coming IF this movie is a success.
I know a lot of people loathe that idea.
But with what we've seen in the Prometheus trailer, I bet it will look epic at least.
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Naw, no reboot, reimaging (alien) necessary. They are able to stand on their own.

Many of us are looking fwd to Prometheus, don't want to generate wrong hype where some kiddo fans might ask "why so weird", "can it transformed into some mechanical...." shakehead.gif "Why no young people?" doh.gif

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young people not enough experience or reach high enough ranking to man the ship they are in... i would guess
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It's weird... but I feel the viral videos are way much more superior than the movie trailer(s) ! nod.gif You get a true visionary feel of the direction.

Love the latest viral video with the android thing going on. Truly creepy. I wasn't really into the movie even after the trailer but the viral videos really pulled me in. This movie has jumped a few places on my Must Watch 2012 film list.




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wait...wha? Prometheus is a part of ALIEN series???
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Yes its taking place in the Alien world. Other than that, im not too sure tho. I've only seen the viral promos and the original trailer as to avoid spoilers.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Apr 19 2012, 10:13 PM)
It's weird... but I feel the viral videos are way much more superior than the movie trailer(s) !  nod.gif  You get a true visionary feel of the direction.

Love the latest viral video with the android thing going on. Truly creepy. I wasn't really into the movie even after the trailer but the viral videos really pulled me in. This movie has jumped a few places on my Must Watch 2012 film list.
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The viral videos aim is the make Prometheus feels like a big universe ala Mass Effect... it has more than accomplish that thumbup.gif
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many ppl said that launch trailer is too spoilery. i'm gonna avoid that!!

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Yup, the new trailer is pretty much will outline the whole Prometheus movie, might be a spoiler trailer-show-too-much for some.

still...

I'm still wanna catch this more then any movie this year. I doubt this movie will hog this years fanboys blockbusters, dark knight rise, hunger games, avengers, battleship...

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 30 2012, 08:14 PM)
Yup, the new trailer is pretty much will outline the whole Prometheus movie, might be a spoiler trailer-show-too-much for some.

still...

I'm still wanna catch this more then any movie this year.
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I still don't get the whole story.
Wonder how is it showing too much...It is just fragments of scenes flashing every other seconds.
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QUOTE(xy2610 @ Apr 30 2012, 07:17 PM)
I still don't get the whole story.
Wonder how is it showing too much...It is just fragments of scenes flashing every other seconds.
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Heheh

I digress,

Watched the mr Scott's interview that day, on how he wonder why no one talked about the space jockey post ridley's alien and how it became the angle for him to approach it with 'Prometheus' the movie, Ridley also gave hint (interview) if he was to approach another 'blade runner' movie, he might have the angle for one, on why man made 'replicants', a big "IF" he was interested to do it.

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Since you guys said it, I'm not going to watch avoid the new trailer too.
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BTW, anyone knows when is this movie coming out in Malaysia ? I've checked IMDB but no release date for Malaysia, only Spore which is on June 7th, so Malaysia around that time too right ? hmm.gif
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awesome trailer

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not new, it's the previous gen face huggie. well, in the trailer it seems it doesn't need to hug face, just drill inside your body
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Is that the derelict? I suppose then the Space Jockey is well and alive in Prometheus?
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Can't wait! Always been a big fan of the Alien films. I've tried to avoid the trailers, however my curiosity got the better of me! doesn't matter, though. It looks brilliant.

On a side note, there was an Alien live action role-play in London in the 90s called 'Alien War'. You would enter the Alien world accompanied by 'military guys' with guns (their back story was that they were from the same team as the crew in Alien 2, haha). It was spooky as hell, it really looked like the set of Alien 2. You would basically explore the place and there would be Aliens running after you (guys in suits) it was really scary to my teenage self, haha. I still remember being bungled into a lift by the 'army' guys and there was some frantic pressing of the button to close the doors, just as it was closing an Alien hand poped in, pried open the doors and did a 'here's Johnny!' the army guys shot him to bits though, yay!
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New promo pics

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"Prometheus" Soundtrack Track Listings.

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That's a very nice photo!! And Noomi Rapace so obviously has the hots for Fassbender. biggrin.gif

Looking at the soundtrack .. I really get the sneaky feeling it'll be a variation of that script that was posted a few pages back. Not really a fan of that script ...

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ May 12 2012, 01:56 PM)
That's a very nice photo!! And Noomi Rapace so obviously has the hots for Fassbender. biggrin.gif

Looking at the soundtrack .. I really get the sneaky feeling it'll be a variation of that script that was posted a few pages back. Not really a fan of that script ...
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Skip to 3:20, Ridley Scott said he wanted to direct more Alien films in the future


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So from what I'm hearing from early reactions, first 2/3 of the movie is very good, last act is so-so.
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According to GSC website, Prometheus is PG13, looks like they gonna cut out a lot of parts doh.gif
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ May 30 2012, 08:20 PM)
According to GSC website, Prometheus is PG13, looks like they gonna cut out a lot of parts  doh.gif
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The film is mostly on the violent/intense images and strong language side. For PG-13 rating here, violent scenes usually are kept intact with small bits potentially cut, but strong language definitely censored. If they do a good enough job you won't "feel" the cuts. nod.gif I'm wondering how intense this film is to warrant it an R.








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Ridley Scott did mention it has one scene that is the equivalent of the classic chestburster scene, in terms of shock value. hope that doesn't get cut. Scratch that, hopefully nothing gets cut at all.

A bunch of US and UK reviews are pouring in and they are all pretty enthusiastic about it. Sounds like this could be very good.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ May 30 2012, 09:10 PM)
The film is mostly on the violent/intense images and strong language side. For PG-13 rating here, violent scenes usually are kept intact with small bits potentially cut, but strong language definitely censored. If they do a good enough job you won't "feel" the cuts.  nod.gif I'm wondering how intense this film is to warrant it an R.
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I heard they're making two versions of this film

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/rid...t_of_prometheus

so i guess we're getting the inferior PG13 version? sad.gif
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ok ... i have just read wikipedia ..... spoiler alert man ...... no idea if those spoilers are true though ...
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With Damon Lindelof writing the script, we can expect lots of questions and few answers to everything, Lost fans should know what I'm talking about laugh.gif

I just checked TGV website, it seems they're not showing Prometheus in IMAX 3D? The only movies that are available in imax are MIB3 and Avengers.
For Prometheus only normal one...
or they haven't update it yet?
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Is no where showing this in digital 2D? I have no interest in watching it in 3D (at least not for the first viewing). GSC and TGV are only showing this in the non-digital format.
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cant wait...

so far, Rotten 83% and iMDB 8.5/10 smile.gif
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cant wait...

so far, Rotten 83% and iMDB 8.5/10 smile.gif
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There are a lot of negative reviews on IMDB board.
I still have high hope for it.
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oh man .. i am so totally spoiled already ....

I've went and read all the reviews .. the spoilers i read in wikipedia is confirmed ...
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 2 2012, 11:11 PM)
oh man .. i am so totally spoiled already ....

I've went and read all the reviews .. the spoilers i read in wikipedia is confirmed ...
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Yeah. Go watch it and then walk out before the last scene. lol.
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Balls, no where is showing it in digital 2D.
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Hmm... almost feels like a limited release. I can't believe it is not available in 3D at GSC 1U and TGV cinemas are somewhat limited shows. Would definitely see in 2D if there was, but none. Folks not so confident about the movie here I guess. I think the movie isn't as stellar as it looks, though RT has it at 80% at the moment I am expecting it to drop.





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just back from watching Prometheus special screening...

I give it 4/5...love the intense...
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I find it very disappointing. Everything, every the bunch of characters, are too similar to the Alien franchise. It's uninspiring. It would've been more like remake if they've proceeded with the original plan to make it an Alien prequel.

Only watch it if you've never seen any Alien instalment before.
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From Fox Malaysia: This movie is rated P13 and has been passed clean with NO cuts.
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no sh*t this movies doest shows in 2D..last time I check gsc website, they do have in 2D.
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no sh*t this movies doest shows in 2D..last time I check gsc website, they do have in 2D.
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Yes it was listed under digital 2D back when it was still "coming soon". Anyway I've just seen it in a GSC standard hall. They must have revamped and cleaned up stuff for the last few months, because despite the picture not being as sharp as digital (understandable), it is certainly bright enough, something that was a real problem before.

The movie? It's a right mess. But very watchable.
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To begin with think the studio having a hard time to market prometheus.It's not exactly a prequel per say but fans are clamoring for one.It's not a survival horror movie either.The best to sum up it's what RS said on interview it's a movie about the space jockey from alien.

If to disassociate Alien movies coda all together it's quite a good movie on it's own.At the end of the day Sir Ridley Scott really shows at his age of 75 years old still can kick some serious butt for directing a good sci-fi flick.Hope he gets to do blade runner 2 soon.

Michael Fassbender portrayal of David is really great.Love his beginning moments of him alone alone monitoring prometheus.
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There may be MILD SPOILERS below. Nothing major, more like the general tone and direction of the movie, plus some stuff you would already have known if you have seen the trailer. All the same, I suggest skipping what follows and just watch the damn movie. I can't say you will like it, but damn, it's one of those event movies (AVATAR, TDK) you just have to see for yourself.

First things first, comparisons will be made with the first ALIEN film. Inevitable, because while PROMETHEUS does try to be stand-alone, it ultimately has a lot of relations to the ALIEN movie. A major thread of the plot concentrates on the species known as the space jockey (as glimpsed in the ALIEN). Plus, a reason why the movie remains watchable, especially in the first half, is that it feeds off the audiences' anticipation that it will finally integrate with the ALIEN world. That being said, the tone of the movie flails everywhere. At certain points it wants to be a poor man's 2001: ASO, other times it's ALIEN. You may also include EVENT HORIZON and SUNSHINE in there. The pacing though, is nothing like ALIEN. Where the 1979 film was slow and deliberate, this one simply cannot wait to cut to the chase. I guess that's a by-product of having so much crammed into two hours...

... which brings me to the script. Oh it's a pretty bad one. You have the philosophical overtones that are obvious, predictable, shallow, and literally blurted out by the characters. Yes, in-lieu of a subtle approach, Ridley and Lindelof pretty much instruct the characters to explain everything to us. And by everything I mean the motives and plot points, and not the answers. Because the script poses a shitload of questions in a very loud obnoxious way, and neglects to answer almost all of them. So what you get is a bunch of crass ideas and notions that never congeal into anything meaningful. One gets the feeling that they may have been saving it for the sequel, but even then I very much doubt we well get anything truly satisfying, because let's face it, when you asks delicate, philosophical questions in such crude manner, the answer if there is one will always be disappointing. I suspect the answer, if any, will be a very plot-centric one and not the contemplative ones truly great science fiction suggests. And the characters are not well drawn at all. They have nothing in common with the what we had in ALIEN, which gave us some of the most natural characters ever put on screen. Here it's all stock stereotypes. Really crude stuff again. Most of the actors do okay with what they have, which isn't much. Some of characters' actions are f***ing dumb. You'll know it when you see it.

The visuals have been praised by even the detractors, and they are very good. The CGI is seamless. But if you are expecting the photography to match that of ALIEN, get that out of your head. It's not. It is a very good looking picture though.

So yeah, it's a real mess of a film. And yet despite all the flaws, it remains a very watchable movie, first frame to last. The atmosphere is moody and grim, the tension is palpable, the scares are there, and all of it is FUN. Just ignore the bloody philosophical side of it.

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QUOTE(crazeoneeighteen @ Jun 6 2012, 09:32 PM)
To begin with think the studio having a hard time to market prometheus.It's not exactly a prequel per say but fans are clamoring for one.It's not a survival horror movie either.The best to sum up it's what RS said on interview it's a movie about the space jockey from alien.

If to disassociate Alien movies coda all together it's quite a good movie on it's own.At the end of the day Sir Ridley Scott really shows at his age of 75 years old still can kick some serious butt for directing a good sci-fi flick.Hope he gets to do blade runner 2 soon.

Michael Fassbender portrayal of David is really great.Love his beginning moments of him alone alone monitoring prometheus.
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7/10 watchable movie
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Yay, there is Digital 2D version at GSC 1U... but no 3D which is fine. I wonder if this is one of those "thinking man's movie", you know where you have to use brain power to try and figure out why and how things are happening. I just love the vision of the film and it looks too good to be ignored. Looks can be deceiving, but so far it has been positive feedback though not overwhelmingly positive.


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Watched 8/10... love it
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jun 7 2012, 12:00 AM)
Yay, there is Digital 2D version at GSC 1U... but no 3D which is fine. I wonder if this is one of those "thinking man's movie", you know where you have to use brain power to try and figure out why and how things are happening.  I just love the vision of the film and it looks too good to be ignored. Looks can be deceiving, but so far it has been positive feedback though not overwhelmingly positive.
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Anyone watched at TGV 3D IMAX? Any reviews? Was it worth it?

planning to watch it there.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jun 7 2012, 12:00 AM)
Yay, there is Digital 2D version at GSC 1U... but no 3D which is fine. I wonder if this is one of those "thinking man's movie", you know where you have to use brain power to try and figure out why and how things are happening.  I just love the vision of the film and it looks too good to be ignored. Looks can be deceiving, but so far it has been positive feedback though not overwhelmingly positive.
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You didn't read Quickfire's review, did you? sad.gif
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ok to watch this normal or 3d ?
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me and my friends were horrified by the Cuddles scene..

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 7 2012, 03:41 AM)
You didn't read Quickfire's review, did you?  sad.gif
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It depends on the person watching, I guess. When I say the writing is rubbish, I mean that it presents its ideas in a very crude, rough manner (i.e. having characters blurt them out). It isn't subtle. Now subtlety isn't a necessity. Take, for example, the last great science fiction I can remember- Gattaca. The ideas there weren't subtle, but they were presented with class and heart. It provokes contemplation. In Prometheus, the only contemplation you have operates only on a plot level, never higher. You aren't really going to be thinking "is there a higher being up there? who created us?". At best, you will only be thinking "what were the space jockeys up to? did they really do that?"

Some people may like that though. Me, I think it's lazy writing.

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mad.gif crap - default was right. No 3D at 1U

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Cuddles? Which scene is that?
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you know. the "cute" little guy that needed some motherly love.. tongue.gif

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dunno why this movie marketing a bit flaw..no standardization over all gsc cinema..gsc 1u got 2d but no 3d, at melaka got 3d only but no normal version, and other place got normal and 3d but no 2d..showtimes also very few compare to madagascar.
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the movie was okay. just okay. maybe slightly better than average but letdown by expectations.

echo what quickfire said, about the philosophical questions being blurted out openly. however i think those questions werent meant to be the underlying questions the viewers are meant to asked.
granted when they were asked, the viewers were leaned to those sort of questions and mentality, thus 'incepting/inceptionizing' the ideas and questions later on subliminally implanted by the visuals and progression of the film. then again i might be reading too much into nothing

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QUOTE(vostroxe @ Jun 7 2012, 04:39 PM)
dunno why this movie marketing a bit flaw..no standardization over all gsc cinema..gsc 1u got 2d but no 3d, at melaka got 3d only but no normal version, and other place got normal and 3d but no 2d..showtimes also very few compare to madagascar.
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Added on June 7, 2012, 5:01 pmthink they know this movie wont be such a box office.... hence the erratic options (dont think limited film reels or whatever as a source of limited options)

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I think this movie should be taken just as it is. It does gives food for though for those who enjoy delving into the deep mysteries. I for one would give this a decent 4/5 for its plot, action, casts and potentials. Its not exactly epic in a sense that it shadows the previous Aliens installment. In fact, its almost a different story line in its own universe.

Yes, the way the movie presents itself, there seems to be a lot of loopholes. And some characters are easily killed off without any sense. I wished a more gruesome or even unforgettable death scene would be there since its suppose to be a scifi thriller. Ridley Scott is probably too weak stomach to do that anyways.

In all, I still enjoy the movie very much. It delivers the scare and the classic touch of Ridley Scott. CGI looks amazingbut sadly I gad to endure a terrible 35mm format at TGV. Thats RM14 for a terrible format, mang!
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Without giving out any spoilers, how much reference to the xenomorph was made in this movie?
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Watching this tomorrow in Digital 2D... should be ok I guess. Oh come on, it can't be that bad. That's the vibe I'm getting... I haven't read much about the movie, just know it has a good response. Oh and I can barely remember those "Alien" films as I watched it years ago when I was a kid. I don't even know if I watched them to be honest, which could 'ease' this film. Expectations seem to be the word being thrown around this film. Also, my first Fassbender film on the big screen. tongue.gif He likes to, erm, expose himself which doesn't fare well with folks here. biggrin.gif






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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ Jun 7 2012, 04:57 PM)
the movie was okay. just okay. maybe slightly better than average but letdown by expectations.

echo what quickfire said, about the philosophical questions being blurted out openly. however i think those questions werent meant to be the underlying questions the viewers are meant to asked.
granted when they were asked, the viewers were leaned to those sort of questions and mentality, thus 'incepting/inceptionizing' the ideas and questions later on subliminally implanted by the visuals and progression of the film. then again i might be reading too much into nothing

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Added on June 7, 2012, 5:01 pmthink they know this movie wont be such a box office.... hence the erratic options (dont think limited film reels or whatever as a source of limited options)
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 7 2012, 07:17 PM)
I think this movie should be taken just as it is. It does gives food for though for those who enjoy delving into the deep mysteries. I for one would give this a decent 4/5 for its plot, action, casts and potentials. Its not exactly epic in a sense that it shadows the previous Aliens installment. In fact, its almost a different story line in its own universe.

Yes, the way the movie presents itself, there seems to be a lot of loopholes. And some characters are easily killed off without any sense. I wished a more gruesome or even unforgettable death scene would be there since its suppose to be a scifi thriller. Ridley Scott is probably too weak stomach to do that anyways.

In all, I still enjoy the movie very much. It delivers the scare and the classic touch of Ridley Scott. CGI looks amazingbut sadly I gad to endure a terrible 35mm format at TGV. Thats RM14 for a terrible format, mang!
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Without giving out any spoilers, how much reference to the xenomorph was made in this movie?
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If you have seen the trailer, there's a very obvious mural painting/carving of a xenomporh on the wall in the alien spaceship.

The last shot has a very clear reference to a xenomorph.

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Watching this tomorrow in Digital 2D... should be ok I guess. Oh come on, it can't be that bad. That's the vibe I'm getting... I haven't read much about the movie, just know it has a good response. Oh and I can barely remember those "Alien" films as I watched it years ago when I was a kid. I don't even know if I watched them to be honest, which could 'ease' this film. Expectations seem to be the word being thrown around this film. Also, my first Fassbender film on the big screen.  tongue.gif  He likes to, erm, expose himself which doesn't fare well with folks here.  biggrin.gif
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Looks like many of forumers in here give 7 or 8 out of 10 which is quite good imo. But from imdb reviewers most of them say it is crap all that. Hope it won't dissapoint me. I think maybe they expect it to be the same like Ridley Scott's Alien but which isn't

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Looks like many of forumers in here give 7 or 8 out of 10 which is quite good imo. But from imdb reviewers most of them say it is crap all that. Hope it won't dissapoint me. I think maybe they expect it to be the same like Ridley Scott's Alien but which isn't
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Just came back watching this tonight. The film is visually stunning but it kinda falls short with everything else. The tension was there but something really felt off. I'm not sure if it's the luminous setting that overwhelms the mood or the contrived story. It's not a bad film by any means but i was expecting much much more. I left the cinema with more questions than answers, i'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.

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Well I don't mind watching this movie a second time round. I don't feel bored throughout the movie. Perhaps on my second viewing, I'll spend more time digesting each scene and filling in the gaps left by the editors. I honestly think two hours is never enough to tell the whole story in this one, or perhaps they'll include an hour long of extra footage in the bluray edition. Thats a smart way of keeping the franchise alive ain't it?

I gotta agree with some of you guys, though. The cuddles scene is my most memorable scene in the movie. One question though
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QUOTE(vostroxe @ Jun 7 2012, 04:39 PM)
dunno why this movie marketing a bit flaw..no standardization over all gsc cinema..gsc 1u got 2d but no 3d, at melaka got 3d only but no normal version, and other place got normal and 3d but no 2d..showtimes also very few compare to madagascar.
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Not a marketing factor A few reasons. This is the first wide release movie this year that opened with another wide release movie Madagascar at the same time. As such, screens are limited as cinemas had to accommodate both. Prior to this, all other big movies opened on their own eg Avengers, MIB3, Wrath, Journey2 etc so every cinema can play them. Both Prometheus and Madagascar has 3D thus again cinemas had to choose between the two. There are only about 130 x 3D screens in Malaysia at the moment and these has to be shared between Prometheus, Madagascar, Avengers and MIB3. Due to this congestion, cinemas had to decide on 3D only or 35mm only or both(if they have enough screens). As for digital 2D it's even worse as most of the 130 digital screens are used to show 3D.

The reason Madagascar has more show times is because Prometheus is a 2hr plus movie. Madagascar is a 1.5 hours movie. Thus per screen basis, the cinema can squeeze in more shows for a shorter film per day. For eg, if you noticed for Titanic which is a 3 hr film, per screen can only play 3-4 show a day.

As for IMAX, there is only 1 in Malaysia at the moment and the cinema chose to play Prometheus.

By end of the year, Malaysia would have tripled the number of digital screens so you can definitely get to see more movies in digital 2D or 3D. It's forecasted that by end of next year Malaysia will be nearing 100% digital screens.

As for IMAX, the 2nd one is targeting to open with The Dark Knight Rises. The 3rd one hopefully by year end or next CNY.
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 8 2012, 12:01 AM)
Well I don't mind watching this movie a second time round. I don't feel bored throughout the movie. Perhaps on my second viewing, I'll spend more time digesting each scene and filling in the gaps left by the editors. I honestly think two hours is never enough to tell the whole story in this one, or perhaps they'll include an hour long of extra footage in the bluray edition. Thats a smart way of keeping the franchise alive ain't it?

I gotta agree with some of you guys, though. The cuddles scene is my most memorable scene in the movie. One question though
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Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver), the only survivor of the space freighter Nostromo, is rescued and revived after drifting for fifty-seven years in stasis. At an interview before a panel of executives from her employer, the Weyland-Yutani Corporation, her testimony regarding the Alien is met with extreme skepticism as she has no physical evidence. Ripley loses her space-flight license as a result of her "questionable judgment" and learns that LV-426, the planet where her crew first encountered the Alien eggs, is now home to a terraforming colony.


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In 2089, archaeologist couple Elizabeth Shaw and Charlie Holloway discover a star map among several unconnected ancient cultures. They interpret this as an invitation from humanity's forerunners: the "Engineers". Peter Weyland, the elderly founder of the Weyland Corporation, funds the creation of the scientific vessel Prometheus to follow the map to the distant moon LV-223.

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I like this film, but only because I'm a big sci-fi fan. But as a movie it was like being made by a film student who scored A in cinematography/design/visuals/spectacle but got an F on the screenwriting subject. Music ineffective and sometimes misplaced. Even editing was all sloppy, inconsistent pacing. It could've been a classic. But it's not. Big ideas, big theme, big questions, but written very badly and with such laziness.. Plot holes, illogical character behaviors, convenient expositions, too plenty to list down. The problem has nothing to do with the movie's link to the original Alien. They failed the most basic rule of good film making - BAD, LAZY WRITING.

My rating:
As Sci-fi Geek: 8/10
As Movie Critic: 5/10
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Just bought my 3D tickets and will be watching at Cathay Cineleisure.
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Haven't yet seen the movie, but from every review and spoiler I read, the setting for Prometheus really reminds me of Lovecraft's
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can somebody please tell me . this worth watch in 3D or not . thank you
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Going to watch this movie tonight on IMAX 3D, gonna give 3D one last try.

I'm so nervous about this movie right now, I've been waiting for it for quite some time, really hope it won't suck unsure.gif


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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Jun 8 2012, 10:37 AM)
I like this film, but only because I'm a big sci-fi fan. But as a movie it was like being made by a film student who scored A in cinematography/design/visuals/spectacle but got an F on the screenwriting subject. Music ineffective and sometimes misplaced. Even editing was all sloppy, inconsistent pacing.  It could've been a classic. But it's not. Big ideas, big theme, big questions, but written very badly and with such laziness.. Plot holes, illogical character behaviors, convenient expositions, too plenty to list down. The problem has nothing to do with the movie's link to the original Alien. They failed the most basic rule of good film making - BAD, LAZY WRITING.

My rating:
As Sci-fi Geek: 8/10
As Movie Critic: 5/10
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Prometheus' cinema release has more potholes than the Malaysian road. That's why my hunch is that Ridley Scott's gonna provide those missing links with an hour-long of extra footage in the bluray release. drool.gif

The characters aren't exactly a letdown, 'cept for a few ones that I wished were given more scene time to portray a solid expedition team. From the looks of the progress, its as if all they needed was the Android. A botanist......a geologist?? They're just another meat to the story. Hell, I wouldn't care if they brought in a marine biologist or a space rocket scientist.
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Prometheus' cinema release has more potholes than the Malaysian road. That's why my hunch is that Ridley Scott's gonna provide those missing links with an hour-long of extra footage in the bluray release. drool.gif

The characters aren't exactly a letdown, 'cept for a few ones that I wished were given more scene time to portray a solid expedition team. From the looks of the progress, its as if all they needed was the Android. A botanist......a geologist?? They're just another meat to the story. Hell, I wouldn't care if they brought in a marine biologist or a space rocket scientist.
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The xenomorph very likely existed before the events in Prometheus. How else do you explain the carving/mural of a xenomorph on the wall? It's even in the trailer.
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The xenomorph very likely existed before the events in Prometheus. How else do you explain the carving/mural of a xenomorph on the wall? It's even in the trailer.
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What you're all doing is just pure speculation though. I don't partake in speculation because I think it's meaningless. There are literally hundreds of theories out there about what happened and what I'd about to happen... I just don't see the point of it. Just my opinion. Glad you guys can talk about it.

And please don't being AvP into this! tongue.gif
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uh. it was beautiful, the first 8 minutes just breathtaking. other than that im not really sure, it just too many holes in the plot. i cant even recognize some of the character, even its only like 7-8 of them. i dont even know what they do, the names, their roles.

and how come scientists that stupid? the action just too dumb to be believable. and 2 years journey nobody know what is their trip for? seriously? 5 minutes briefing content no one know? cmon. even for the money i would ask what is it for. or maybe space exploration is just too common till they dont even care.

the plot is great, i like the connection, the idea behind it. but it can be great, with in depth character exploration and slightly smart action by those scientists.

not a bad movie to hate, but not a great one to be memorable. just damn you scott, not as promising as it seems.


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can somebody please tell me . this worth watch in 3D or not . thank you
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**2d film, 2d digital, 3d, 3d imax

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Do I need to watch all the other installments of the Alien franchise to grasp the plot of Prometheus better? Watched most of them but that was long time ago.
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Do I need to watch all the other installments of the Alien franchise to grasp the plot of Prometheus better? Watched most of them but that was long time ago.
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NO need. Prometheus doesn't try to answer anything related to the Alien franchise. Its better you take it as a story in its own.
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NO need. Prometheus doesn't try to answer anything related to the Alien franchise. Its better you take it as a story in its own.
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I have seen it yesterday 8.30pm IMAX Sunay Pyramid......love it to the max eventhough it is not perfect....my advice before you wtach this movie....it is more about the theory of mankind creation...Darwinism VS Sumerian/Atalantis Annunaki Enki Enlil Alien engineered humans.... so youtube all those theory....by the time you watching it you will feel much more connected and anticipated the movie greatly....if your expecting a usual ugly aliens tearing apart humans you will be truly let down....the theme of the movie is based on real life theory backed by archeological proof from ancient mayan, sumerian, atalantis civilization and the ties with 'annunaki'....
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 8 2012, 07:28 PM)
Yes, forgetting the black goo, I think the xenomorphs are the true biological weapon. Judging from the previous Aliens franchise and AVP2, the xenomorphs are highly adaptable to different hosts and surroundings. They have spikes, fangs and sharp ends all over their bodies, and the acidic blood is a perfect defense mechanism for a killing machine. Only thing lacking is intelligence.

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Watched this afternoon.

Awesome movie. This really ignite the Alien franchise again.

AVP almost killed the Alien franchise actually..
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I see. How about for someone who has zero exposure to the franchise?
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Watched this afternoon.

Awesome movie. This really ignite the Alien franchise again.

AVP almost killed the Alien franchise actually..
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QUOTE(raizil @ Jun 8 2012, 08:11 PM)
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uh. it was beautiful, the first 8 minutes just breathtaking. other than that im not really sure, it just too many holes in the plot. i cant even recognize some of the character, even its only like 7-8 of them. i dont even know what they do, the names, their roles.

and how come scientists that stupid? the action just too dumb to be believable. and 2 years journey nobody know what is their trip for? seriously? 5 minutes briefing content no one know? cmon. even for the money i would ask what is it for. or maybe space exploration is just too common till they dont even care.

the plot is great, i like the connection, the idea behind it. but it can be great, with in depth character exploration and slightly smart action by those scientists.

not a bad movie to hate, but not a great one to be memorable. just damn you scott, not as promising as it seems.


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Don't know why the human aliens created us in the first place and suddenly they want to destroy us in the end,I very blur.
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Don't know why the human aliens created us in the first place and suddenly they want to destroy us in the end,I very blur.
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I love this film

and yes IMAX 3D is worth it
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Came back watching the 3D version from Cathay e@Curve

Before I start, I believe many of you had miss one thing which was actually in the credits:-

"Based on the elements of Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shushett"

This was never nor any intention whatsoever any real connection to the Alien series - it is true, it happen in the same universe but a different take. When I saw that in the credits, it explains and why Ridley Scott himself said it veers away from the original Alien series itself. So - this I felt considers "end of discussion" of pure speculation whether there is any connection between Prometheus and Alien series.

Now, back to my take on this film... (not going to spoiler it... I believe most of us had watched it by then)

For one, it has a good take on what this movie is trying to tell us - where do we come from. The story itself delves deep into the beginnings of mankind (which, this alone I do enjoy since now finally someone is taking a risk in creating a story of where we come from) and how the first few minutes really explains much. Fast-forward to the future, we get to see Elizabeth Shaw and Charlie Holloway discovered evidence of mankind's origin, going to the planet LV-223 (not LV-426, which was based on the Alien series!) and discover what they never expect. Things go wrong, blah-blah-blah, many people got killed and what was left... my best guess you already figured it out. Sadly...

This film is flawed. Yes, there are a few things in the 2nd act of the film shown flaws in ways, not just the script was horrible, its the direction that the characters take were horrible. There are questions unanswered, things that weren't explored or maybe, it was just that intention of not answering but nevertheless, it was how the interaction between the characters were not done well. Few things did not explain too well (like what really happen to Fifield and how he turn out the way he is but my best guess is played on "assumption" the audience knows it by common sense) and everything else is just... "guessing". Theories abound on many assumptions and how Elizabeth Shaw can even guess it without even showing evidence. In anticipation, I brush away all that and just take it as it stands alone... but in the end, it was the script that spoils the beauty of it. The dialogue between characters is just terrible - and the change on certain characters (like Meredith Vickers is a good example) just makes me wonder what went on "that direction" instead of the intended direction as per-set of each character. What makes it flawed, the focus now turns to one other thing that saves it...

Visually - its stunning! This is a movie worth a picture of a thousand words. Yes - many compares it to Ridley's Alien... but hey, has anyone remembered "Blade Runner" even? Visually itself, its beautiful. Watching it on 3D makes it even more beautiful than ever. The details and designs is breathtaking - from looking where Prometheus flew in to LV-223 to the holographic mapping of the dome - its stunning. This is Ridley at his best. He is a visual-envision director that knows how to capture the heart and beauty of grabbing the audience at their seat, the awe-inspiring look at the world that is different and beautiful that stands alone so well. How he played David's character walking about the Prometheus where everyone was cryo-sleep and what he does - this is the same take he did before in Alien (I know someone is going to disagree with me and I am willing to take that challenge because look at the same beginning of Alien and how he did it with Prometheus - its the same difference) and I love that moment of it.

Acting wise, Michael Fassbender as David is near superb. Maybe because I was looking for certain details and he did, as an actor, completed that like an android. Certain movements, certain body language and the way he interacts works like his character intended to be. As an actor, there is no other that can do it that well (well, besides, Lance Henriksen for Aliens, which was also good). Noomi Rapace as Elizabeth Shaw... I don't know - I felt something was missing about her character and didn't felt that important. Maybe that was the purpose all along but towards the end, I felt likely maybe that was the intention after all. Charlize Theron on the other hand, it is sad the written character of her takes a 180% turn to the worst - which was not expected (since the script is flawed) and so, didn't utilize it that well even. The rest of the actors is nothing much to say as they played their own.

While watching in Cathay, I loved the sound effects in the cinema hall - its fantastic. I really love it and I hope when the Blu-Ray is out, every single one of these sounds will be there in that format:-

Overall:- 3.5 out of 5 star. Prometheus could have been better if not because of the flawed script. Nevertheless, its a good film to watch, standalone from the Alien series. Its a summer movie that you have to watch... its worth it (3D or not, it doesn't matter)
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Just came back from the movie, watched it in Digital 2D.

Give my full opinion on it later.. I'm exhausted. tongue.gif

But before I leave, I have to say this - - Michael Fassbender as David -> Absolutely freaking awesome. He really IS the star of the film.

Oh btw, I really love extraterrestrial-type flicks, very few these days so this was right up my alley. The ET in this movie looks like :

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I chuckled everytime I saw the alien's face! rclxms.gif thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(SkyGig @ Jun 8 2012, 09:48 PM)
Don't know why the human aliens created us in the first place and suddenly they want to destroy us in the end,I very blur.
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Do aliens want to kill us in the end? No.

Do you remember david offer help to go back to earth but shaw wan to go their planet to seek for answer and she said the engineer has already abandoned them, they dun wan to kll them anymore. And that is why Shaw at first want to go back to earth, but then ended up not going back but want to go their planet to find for the answers


Added on June 9, 2012, 12:20 amAnd there will be 21 minutes of extra footage in Blu ray!

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7062

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Added on June 9, 2012, 12:20 amAnd there will be 21 minutes of extra footage in Blu ray!

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7062
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Juz watched the movie....i treat it as a prequel of the alien 1 (alien fan boy mode on). haha anyway i found out that the alien in prometheus is more scary than the usual alien in alien series.
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*SPOILERS*

Okay here's my take on the movie

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BTW, I found this like 2 moths ago but just copypasted it on notepad to avoid spoilers, I opened it after watching the movie and a lot of things are spot on correct, lucky I didn't read it when i first found it laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 9 2012, 02:56 AM)
BTW, I found this like 2 moths ago but just copypasted it on notepad to avoid spoilers, I opened it after watching the movie and a lot of things are spot on correct, lucky I didn't read it when i first found it  laugh.gif

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Wow can u pls give the sauce for this spoiler?
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I found it on the Television and Films board of 4chan, but my bad not 2 months ago, it's actually 1 month ago

http://archive.foolz.us/tv/thread/22891750/#22893005
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btw,the movie totally suck at the end,or consider total suck

basically this movie consider as

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Didn't she said at the beginning, if the Engineers created humans, who created the Engineers?

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not arguing,just asking

so what she believe in?Engineers?God?herself?Jesus?btw,if I am not mistaken,Jesus consider human being(before),right?

or I should say she believe in God,cause God create Engineers,Engineers create human include Jesus

I think she has to go find God,not Engineers



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QUOTE(marcus20125 @ Jun 9 2012, 09:40 AM)
so what she believe in?Engineers?God?Jesus?or herself?

or I should say she believe in God,cause God create Enginner
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Yeah I'm guessing it's like that,

Or it could be like this, remember that dream with her father?
when her father said that his God is diffrent from those people's God at the funeral, and when asked why, his father said something like "Because it's what I choose to believe"
That's what Elle does, through out the movie, Elle was probably still in doubt, like 50/50 whether or not her Christian God is real or not,
but after seeing all those bad things the engineer did, wanting to destroy Earth, killing people and all, she just came to conclusion that these Engineers can't be her creator/god, so in the end she said sorry to God for ever distrusting God as creator, because that's what she chooses to believe.

but that's just my theory though
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QUOTE(marcus20125 @ Jun 9 2012, 09:32 AM)
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basically this movie consider as

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It's NOT a PREQUEL!

Geez... nobody really stayed on towards the end CREDITS!!!

Already mention that this movie is "based on the elements of Dan O' Bannon and Ronald Shushett"!!!

Even Ridley himself said its not entirely based on the Prequel and veering away from the original Alien series!


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It kinda is a prequel though. You can't deny the multiple connection it has to the Alien franchise, what with the gratuitous last shot, the space jockeys, the facehuggers, the acid blood, etc. The other half of the movie wants to be standalone.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 9 2012, 10:54 AM)
It kinda is a prequel though. You can't deny the multiple connection it has to the Alien franchise, what with the gratuitous last shot, the space jockeys, the facehuggers, the acid blood, etc. The other half of the movie wants to be standalone.
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In certain ways, there are similarities, but in truth it isn't. At the beginning, it was meant to be a prequel but Ridley wanted it to veer away from the Alien series and make changes to certain things. That is why the design or the facehuggers were much more bigger (octopus like, if you ask me with tentacles compared to the original, which was fingers), the acid blood didn't played too much of it and some changes in the Alien design when it burst out from the chest of the Engineer.

Need to remind others - in Alien, the dead "Engineer" (or Space Jockey) was seated in the navigation room with its chest bust outwards but in Prometheus, it was in the other lifeboat instead.

Let's look at it this way - happen in the same universe but if it goes in a different direction. Much like the upcoming "Spider-Man" series - happen in a different way in "The Amazing Spider-Man" and not in "Spider-Man" series but in the same universe too. Is "Prometheus" a reboot of the Alien series? Who knows... could be but Ridley is not telling, maybe he felt like doing "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" for that matter and steering it away from "Planet of the Apes" series but also happen in the same universe. Multiple connection, but in a different way but does not mean it serves as a "prequel"

But in the end - it boils down to what this movie based on, which was at the end credits that shown "based on the elements...". Even when I saw "Based on the alien elements of H.R. Giger" I was surprised by it, in other words... it was never served as a prequel but just based upon certain elements of the original Alien series, and nothing to do with it...
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jun 9 2012, 03:06 AM)
In certain ways, there are similarities, but in truth it isn't. At the beginning, it was meant to be a prequel but Ridley wanted it to veer away from the Alien series and make changes to certain things. That is why the design or the facehuggers were much more bigger (octopus like, if you ask me with tentacles compared to the original, which was fingers), the acid blood didn't played too much of it and some changes in the Alien design when it burst out from the chest of the Engineer.

Need to remind others - in Alien, the dead "Engineer" (or Space Jockey) was seated in the navigation room with its chest bust outwards but in Prometheus, it was in the other lifeboat instead.

Let's look at it this way - happen in the same universe but if it goes in a different direction. Much like the upcoming "Spider-Man" series - happen in a different way in "The Amazing Spider-Man" and not in "Spider-Man" series but in the same universe too. Is "Prometheus" a reboot of the Alien series? Who knows... could be but Ridley is not telling, maybe he felt like doing "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" for that matter and steering it away from "Planet of the Apes" series but also happen in the same universe. Multiple connection, but in a different way but does not mean it serves as a "prequel"

But in the end - it boils down to what this movie based on, which was at the end credits that shown "based on the elements...". Even when I saw "Based on the alien elements of H.R. Giger" I was surprised by it, in other words... it was never served as a prequel but just based upon certain elements of the original Alien series, and nothing to do with it...
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i think it has been explained that they're not even on the same planet. prometheus is set on LV-223, a satellite (moon) to a larger planet. alien and aliens were set in LV-426, a different planet. what this film established is that, the space jockey is an star faring race dating millions (if not billions) of years.

the space jockeys may have developed the xenomorphs as a self-evolving bio weapon that could adapt itself to kill/destroy/annihilate any biological lifeform. after acquiring sufficient genetic material, the xenomorphs evolves to become into a more lethal form within a single generation. this is evident in aliens resurrection, where it absorbed a lot of ripley's DNA and evolved into a very humanoid form (with facial features, 5 digits instead of 6, a womb and so on) within a single generation. the same happened in aliens vs predator (ending sequence).

the only thing that doesnt click in aliens vs predator is that, if the evolution took place late 21st century, then how did the alien queen get in the antartics in the early 21st century? this is why most alien fans agree that aliens vs predator is not canon. but prometheus surely is.


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doh.gif

It's NOT a PREQUEL!

Geez... nobody really stayed on towards the end CREDITS!!!

Already mention that this movie is "based on the elements of Dan O' Bannon and Ronald Shushett"!!!

Even Ridley himself said its not entirely based on the Prequel and veering away from the original Alien series!
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when he said it wasnt a prequel, he meant prequel to the alien series. but it's still set in the same universe. more like a spinoff.

something like 'x-men origins: wolverine' is not a prequel to the x-men trilogy, but it's still set in the same universe.

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2012, 11:17 AM)
i think it has been explained that they're not even on the same planet. prometheus is set on LV-223, a satellite (moon) to a larger planet. alien and aliens were set in LV-426, a different planet. what this film established is that, the space jockey is an star faring race dating millions (if not billions) of years.

the space jockeys may have developed the xenomorphs as a self-evolving bio weapon that could adapt itself to kill/destroy/annihilate any biological lifeform. after acquiring sufficient genetic material, the xenomorphs evolves to become into a more lethal form within a single generation. this is evident in aliens resurrection, where it absorbed a lot of ripley's DNA and evolved into a very humanoid form (with facial features, 5 digits instead of 6, a womb and so on) within a single generation. the same happened in aliens vs predator (ending sequence).

the only thing that doesnt click in aliens vs predator is that, if the evolution took place late 21st century, then how did the alien queen get in the antartics in the early 21st century? this is why most alien fans agree that aliens vs predator is not canon. but prometheus surely is.


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when he said it wasnt a prequel, he meant prequel to the alien series. but it's still set in the same universe. more like a spinoff.

something like 'x-men origins: wolverine' is not a prequel to the x-men trilogy, but it's still set in the same universe.
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There are still those that thinks its a direct sequel to the original Alien franchise but not reading up to the view and intentions of them creators.

About AVP (which I do dread it a lot), the Alien Queen itself likely happen to be there, captured by Predators for laying egg purpose for Predators to hunt. Remember - when AVP was an idea by FOX, the project was seriously given to James Cameron but he rejected it (and we all know why) and FOX still greenlit it to make it into a film (those money, greedy corporations). The idea was that they wanted to explore the origins of how Weyland came about - maybe saying the Alien and Predator is much more older but to no point of origin yet but intentions of saying this has been going on for eons.

I felt AVP series in some ways tries to connect it to the Alien series but in a dumb way how FOX thinks audience are dumb and would accept it... doh.gif

Which boils down to what you said early of what doesn't click at all but then, even so, the beginning of Prometheus explains how one of the Engineers took the black goo and died (just like how Holloway got it too) but also fertilize Earth and creates life - first creation of human beings based on their DNA strains. This is really playing around the minds of the audience of this new mythology of what was meant to be something else and not connected to the Alien series but a new beginning veering away from the original series.
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I think it's clear that its not a tradition prequel in the sense that it doesn't directly connect to the Alien franchise i.e. different planets, space jockeys, ships etc. But i can't be bothered digging up every interviews and production notes, so my question is ..

Is it really a canon taking place in an entirely alternate universe or is it still taking place in the same constant universe as the Alien franchise ?

The film itself could still easily fit into the Alien universe and timeline, but at the same it could also be a canon. So which is it ?
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Prometheus pre-dates the first Alien, and has a number of key scenes that either relate directly or explain elements in Alien. I think that qualifies it as a quasi prequel.

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It is clear to me that the large facehugger and the xenomorph in the parting shot are early variants of the facehuggers and xenomorphs we see in the later films.

These aliens have similar traits with the black goo they (probably) came from, in that they are able to splice their own DNA and the hosts DNA to create something new and aggressive. The first alien in Alien (Kane's son) came from a human being and this stood on its hind legs. The xenomorph in Alien3 ran on all fours as it came from an ox/dog. Similarly, the xenomorph that came from the albino would look different because it gestated in a different organism.
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does it matter if it is prequel , same universe or what not, the movie just weak. stop arguing, people lie all the time, even scott can lie in that credit just to make things more interesting.
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Who's arguing?
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Is this the soundtrack that everyone say doesn't fit with the scene it's used with?

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It reminds me a lot of Space Odyssey opening soundtrack biggrin.gif

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Question: Why did David deliberately mixed Holloway's drink with that black liquid? Was it Weyland's orders to test the effects of the liquid on human life form?

Question: Why the whole idea of create mankind and then destroying them?
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QUOTE(Enilyks34 @ Jun 9 2012, 02:58 PM)
Question: Why did David deliberately mixed Holloway's drink with that black       liquid? Was it Weyland's orders to test the effects of the liquid on human life form?

Question: Why the whole idea of create mankind and then destroying them?
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Yep could be because it was Weyland's orders,
another reason could be because when David asked Holloway, "How far would you go to understand your creators?", and Holloway replies "All the way"(something like that can't remember precisely), so David took it that Holloway was willing to do anything, so he decides to give him that drink as a first step for him to find out more about his creators(Engineers).

BTW you guys should read some of the stuffs here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/faq

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200177706

Lots of good theories there.

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so in short, do you guys think it's worth watching? unsure.gif
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All this pre takes, theories are awesome. Can't wait to be free to catch this. Like blade runner, its didnt serve A1 in terms of story but sci fi maniacs love it.


even if it leaves more questions then answers, the curiosity will drive critics to debate for years to come. Something Ridley Scott has a habit in doing. cool2.gif

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Best theory I've read so far

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200177706
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Awesome read cool2.gif

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That should slap any naysayer in the face for claming prometheus not an intellectually deep film!



In that, I must have the DvD when it comes out. notworthy.gif Ridley Scott is such an ass.. tongue.gif wink.gif
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 9 2012, 04:05 PM)
Haha that's madness! and quite brilliant i might add. The religion angle was something i thought about as well but he connected the lines a whole lot better than i did. Very good indeed!
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The movie seem to change direction throughout. I think they ended up re-writing scenes and the script itself. It is fundamentally a flawed but entertaining film. I have to admit, I really enjoyed the intense moments. They were unfortunately brief.

The motifs/themes of the mythological elements - I didn't get it. Either the movie failed to convey them or it was done in the most subtle of ways. I came in knowing that Damon Lindelof (of "LOST") definitely is going to embed some mythological elements here and there. I noticed the Xenomorpoh images on the door, but the whole "aliens created us" thing I couldn't quite grasp.

Simply put, the movie was not effective. The ride was fun while it lasted, but that's about it.

The characters were not well written, and while I absolutely was amazed by Fassbenders' performance of David, the other chracters just didn't quite cut it. Noomi Rapace did an equally good job too.

Having said that, looks like this is one of those films that "will disappear just as it arrived", not particularly memorable. The pacing is fine, but I just can't help but notice how the direction of where the movie was going changed several times. A clear indication that the writers realized things weren't working out and they changed it up.

It is a good film, but never great. Visually stunning and the sound effects are simply mind-blowing. There are so many holes in the plot, and I'm not too interested in investing my time on understanding them.

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7.5/10

Nah... it doesn't have the staying power. It looks good, but you end up not really caring about the characters. I also feel there is like a good chunk of the film missing. For an R-rated flick cut down to PG-13, not sure if a few minutes of extra scenes would do justice. hmm.gif Oh and did I just hear a Star Trek theme music in the movie or was it just close to it ??!!

Do I want to know what happens next? Hmm... not really but why not. The Engineers themselves look like Handsome Squidward and I can't take them seriously. As an "ET" flick with ancient astronaut theory story, I did enjoy the ride while it lasted.

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Moving on... next!



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so in short, do you guys think it's worth watching? unsure.gif
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I love the ending

for me this is must for SCI FI Nerds haha just like me .. the atmosphere reminds me of the thing and plus Dead Space tongue.gif

in the end i wonder why the engineers wanna kill the humanz hmmzzz ...

for me 8.0 smile.gif
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 04:59 AM)
I think it's clear that its not a tradition prequel in the sense that it doesn't directly connect to the Alien franchise i.e. different planets, space jockeys, ships etc. But i can't be bothered digging up every interviews and production notes, so my question is ..

Is it really a canon taking place in an entirely alternate universe or is it still taking place in the same constant universe as the Alien franchise ?

The film itself could still easily fit into the Alien universe and timeline, but at the same it could also be a canon. So which is it ?
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not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means.

QUOTE(Enilyks34 @ Jun 9 2012, 06:58 AM)
Question: Why did David deliberately mixed Holloway's drink with that black      liquid? Was it Weyland's orders to test the effects of the liquid on human life form?

Question: Why the whole idea of create mankind and then destroying them?
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2nd question:

the film proposes several possibilities, but chose not to answer anything. just like in alien (the 1st film), there are numerous questions that linger around. who or what is the space jockey? where did the xenomorph come from? the hints to those questions only surfaced 40 years later in prometheus. even so, it didnt give any clear definition.

maybe we need to wait another 40 years...
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 9 2012, 04:43 PM)
Awesome read cool2.gif
In that, I must have the DvD when it comes out.  notworthy.gif Ridley Scott is such an ass.. tongue.gif  wink.gif
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 05:01 PM)
Haha that's madness! and quite brilliant i might add. The religion angle was something i thought about as well but he connected the lines a whole lot better than i did. Very good indeed!
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What do you guys think about this part:

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Are you guys glad they cut out that part from the film?

Also unused stuffs

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I think this is getting a little out of hand here... doh.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2012, 09:57 PM)
not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means.
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I meant to say non-canon biggrin.gif .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?


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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2012, 09:57 PM)
not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means.
2nd question:

the film proposes several possibilities, but chose not to answer anything. just like in alien (the 1st film), there are numerous questions that linger around. who or what is the space jockey? where did the xenomorph come from? the hints to those questions only surfaced 40 years later in prometheus. even so, it didnt give any clear definition.

maybe we need to wait another 40 years...
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I believe it was the intention that there was no clear definition for Prometheus to begin with... but then, Ridley did say if Prometheus did very well in the box-office and FOX will greenlit a sequel, everything will be explained... after all, Dr. Shaw and
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 10:27 PM)
I meant to say non-canon biggrin.gif .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 02:27 PM)
I meant to say non-canon biggrin.gif .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?
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Brilliant film. I've watched it once only but in a space of three hours, I have gone from calling it a good film to labeling it as trash to coming to a conclusion that it is incredible and is an incredibly ambitious film that covers the themes of existentialism and religion. The more I think about it, the better I think the film is.

Regardless of which, even if you ignore the themes, it is an incredibly beautiful film to look at.
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bad story, in sense if you take off the hype everyone is going about how this movie is presenting itself as a question on how religion and our creation and stuff the movie was a copy.

from the first scene to teh last, the trailer and the way it was done it was a copy of alien. started off pretty much the same way, in the middle was similar and the ending was the same.

there was absolutely nothing new on the table, the acting was good for some, there were too many characters running around and the visuals were great, good movie but the story made it normal.

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the ending reminds me of predator (the new one) lolz
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jun 10 2012, 01:21 AM)
Brilliant film. I've watched it once only but in a space of three hours, I have gone from calling it a good film to labeling it as trash to coming to a conclusion that it is incredible and is an incredibly ambitious film that covers the themes of existentialism and religion. The more I think about it, the better I think the film is.

Regardless of which, even if you ignore the themes, it is an incredibly beautiful film to look at.
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Watched it a second time, this time in IMAX 3D.

Enjoyed it very much. Free of any pre-conceptions of what the movie does have and does not have, and letting the philosophical agendas slide, this is a good movie. The intellectual scope of it is extremely limited, but the narrative scope is epic. The only problem is that while the scope is impressive, the inability of the script to satisfyingly answer some of the basic questions is frustrating. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt though; the sequel damn well better provide more concrete stuff. In fact, if this is the first of a two- or three-parter, and if the sequels deliver, I think the series has the potential to go down as a great. Not as a great intellectual sci-fi, but as an epic space adventure/horror franchise... I must admit, there is potential.

Plus I can see the sequel being better in terms of the characters. This one has way too many characters, 17 is just too many unless you plan to kill lost of them at the beginning and focus on the remaining few. Captain Janek is a really cool character, and is really the real hero in this, but he's just too underwritten. Same goes for Vickers. I actually liked her a lot, because she's hot and she emanates quite a bit of Ripley. By the end of the movie with most of the characters dead, the sequel should be able to focus more on just a few.

Btw, the 3D is useless. Given a choice of IMAX 3D or IMAX 2D, I'll go for the latter every time.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 10 2012, 05:12 PM)
Watched it a second time, this time in IMAX 3D.

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Btw, the 3D is useless. Given a choice of IMAX 3D or IMAX 2D, I'll go for the latter every time.
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They most certainly have to. laugh.gif There are no 3D options and the film is going to steamroll the box office this season.
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QUOTE(Bleacher @ Jun 10 2012, 06:29 PM)
They most certainly have to. laugh.gif There are no 3D options and the film is going to steamroll the box office this season.
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Had they shown 2D film at the TGV IMAX?
If I recall correctly all the movies that they've shown there is 3d right?
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Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol has been in 2D. Given the option between 2D and 3D, TGV will almost certainly show the 3D option but for The Dark Knight Rises, there isn't much of a choice.
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QUOTE(Bleacher @ Jun 10 2012, 07:52 PM)
Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol has been in 2D. Given the option between 2D and 3D, TGV will almost certainly show the 3D option but for The Dark Knight Rises, there isn't much of a choice.
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I remember watching MI:IV 2D at TGV IMAX though, and the picture clarity wasn't up to par. Prometheus 3D was crystal though. Perhaps they don't properly align the two projectors for 2D movies.
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To those who have watched the movie in cinema, any bad editing by our local censorship board? In other words, any scenes got sliced off?

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To those who have watched the movie in cinema, any bad editing by our local censorship board? In other words, any scenes got sliced off?
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It's 100% intact buddy. There are a few pretty gross body shock horror scenes.
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jun 10 2012, 09:26 PM)
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 10 2012, 09:27 PM)
It's 100% intact buddy. There are a few pretty gross body shock horror scenes.
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Some people in the cinema went "urgghhhh" during the "operation" scene btw laugh.gif
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 10 2012, 09:46 PM)
Some people in the cinema went "urgghhhh" during the "operation" scene btw laugh.gif
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Pregnant ladies should not even watch this...
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 10 2012, 12:33 PM)
I remember watching MI:IV 2D at TGV IMAX though, and the picture clarity wasn't up to par. Prometheus 3D was crystal though. Perhaps they don't properly align the two projectors for 2D movies.
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 10 2012, 09:46 PM)
Some people in the cinema went "urgghhhh" during the "operation" scene btw laugh.gif
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Hahaha when I watched with my friends last night and that scene came out, most of my friends says..

"Celaka, cerita ape yang kau bagi kami tengok ni alahaaii" (while grabbed my arms)

Not to mention, some of them already put their hands on their tummy laugh.gif .
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 10 2012, 10:26 PM)
i'm pretty sure to show it on 2D they just switch off the other projector.
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Sorry I mean they might not remove the 3D lens when projecting 2D movies.

QUOTE(Brian O'Connor @ Jun 10 2012, 10:26 PM)
Hahaha when I watched with my friends last night and that scene came out, most of my friends says..

"Celaka, cerita ape yang kau bagi kami tengok ni alahaaii" (while grabbed my arms)

Not to mention, some of them already put their hands on their tummy laugh.gif .
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Haha, for the current generation of kids who have never seen Alien or heard of the chestburster scene, I guess this is the closest one could get to a modern equivalent. Not quite as shocking as that classic scene (that had the element of shock surprise) but still great.
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QUOTE(Brian O'Connor @ Jun 10 2012, 10:26 PM)
Hahaha when I watched with my friends last night and that scene came out, most of my friends says..

"Celaka, cerita ape yang kau bagi kami tengok ni alahaaii" (while grabbed my arms)

Not to mention, some of them already put their hands on their tummy laugh.gif .
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 10 2012, 11:10 PM)
Sorry I mean they might not remove the 3D lens when projecting 2D movies.
Haha, for the current generation of kids who have never seen Alien or heard of the chestburster scene, I guess this is the closest one could get to a modern equivalent. Not quite as shocking as that classic scene (that had the element of shock surprise) but still great.
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I remember watching [Alien] with dad when I was 8 or 9 or 10 and that 1st chestbuster scene was so indescribable then, that my jaw dropped and I was literally frozen for seconds. I was still in that state even after the little Xenomorph ran away! Dad chuckled and I’m guessing it’s because of my reaction and he asked if I’m alright.

I miss those moments.

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QUOTE(domcobb @ Jun 10 2012, 03:51 PM)
I remember watching [Alien] with dad when I was 8 or 9 or 10 and that 1st chestbuster scene was so indescribable then, that my jaw dropped and I was literally frozen for seconds. I was still in that state even after the little Xenomorph ran away! Dad chuckled and I’m guessing it’s because of my reaction and he asked if I’m alright.

I miss those moments.
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when i bought the quadrilogy boxed set, i found out that the blond girl in that scene didnt even know it's gonna burst out. she totally freaked out and the reaction we saw was real. that's ridley lol.

anyways, i'm wondering if the version released in malaysia is the full version with the international ones? did they cut anything out? i noticed the F word only once. i know there's no nudity, but what about the gore/horror thingy? it's rated PG13 here, but R-rated everywhere else...
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absolute rubbish movie...same like watching the AVP movies

Ridley Scott screws up and finally destroys the franchise he started

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Got a few unanswered question...
1) Is there a dotted connection between prometheus and Alien movie?
The only dot I can see is that the alien creature is through a combination of a stuff that David drop in the drink, and the guy make xxx with the gal, and the gal remove the octopus, and octopus make xxx with the engineer, and alien is born sweat.gif sweat.gif

2) Why does the engineer want to destroy earth?

3) What is the cylinder stuff? The one David took to the ship

4) For the 2 guy that was trap in the pyramid. They were kill by a worm type creature. Is it the worm mix with the special type of liquid and evolved as a gigantic worm creature?

5) What kill the engineers in the pyramid?

Anybody got any idea???
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jun 10 2012, 05:22 PM)
Got a few unanswered question...
1) Is there a dotted connection between prometheus and Alien movie?
The only dot I can see is that the alien creature is through a combination of a stuff that David drop in the drink, and the guy make xxx with the gal, and the gal remove the octopus, and octopus make xxx with the engineer, and alien is born  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

2) Why does the engineer want to destroy earth?

3) What is the cylinder stuff? The one David took to the ship

4) For the 2 guy that was trap in the pyramid. They were kill by a worm type creature. Is it the worm mix with the special type of liquid and evolved as a gigantic worm creature?

5) What kill the engineers in the pyramid?

Anybody got any idea???
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jun 11 2012, 01:22 AM)
Got a few unanswered question...
1) Is there a dotted connection between prometheus and Alien movie?
The only dot I can see is that the alien creature is through a combination of a stuff that David drop in the drink, and the guy make xxx with the gal, and the gal remove the octopus, and octopus make xxx with the engineer, and alien is born  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

2) Why does the engineer want to destroy earth?

3) What is the cylinder stuff? The one David took to the ship

4) For the 2 guy that was trap in the pyramid. They were kill by a worm type creature. Is it the worm mix with the special type of liquid and evolved as a gigantic worm creature?

5) What kill the engineers in the pyramid?

Anybody got any idea???
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I got 2 question here.

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QUOTE(Brian O'Connor @ Jun 11 2012, 05:47 AM)
I got 2 question here.

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Here are the official names to some of the creatures and vehicles from the film

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http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1646/

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dont dare to read all the previous pages, scare got spoilers.

just wanna know 2 things

1) is it worth to watch in 3D?
2) is the movie good to watch, as frightening or action pack like alien/aliens?
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Jun 11 2012, 11:20 AM)
dont dare to read all the previous pages, scare got spoilers.

just wanna know 2 things

1) is it worth to watch in 3D?
2) is the movie good to watch, as frightening or action pack like alien/aliens?
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1) Yes, but only on IMAX 3D. I still haven't watch it on normal 3D

2) Yes there are a few frightening scene, but it's not action pack like Aliens, and don't expect it to be so much similar to the first Alien movie.
Only the ending part feels a bit similar to the first Alien. smile.gif The film got lots of vibes from the 1st Alien.

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is this movie good or bad?
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is this movie good or bad?
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Watch it and decide yourself

For most of fans of Aliens, this is good, and refreshing, an original movie that answers few questions about the first alien movie, and yet giving us another few sets of questions to ponder upon
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 11 2012, 01:33 AM)
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Watch it and decide yourself
For most of fans of Aliens, this is good, and refreshing, an original movie that answers few questions about the first alien movie, and yet giving us another few sets of questions to ponder upon
I'm a fan of the Alien series, even the 3rd and the 4th movie, but not the AvP crossover series. So, I guess I'm easy to be pleased by Prometheus, it met my expectation except for the sci-fi horror elements that the Alien (1979) famously introduced ... maybe we're too jaded already, not easily shocked anymore.
It's kinda like a remake of the 1979 Alien. I watched it again back at home after watching Prometheus in cinema. The 1st Alien movie only showed like maybe 15mins of scenes inside the Derelict alien spacecraft and the Space Jockey; the rest of the movie is inside the human spaceship playing hide and seek with the Xenomorph alien.
So, Prometheus' links to Alien is exciting to watch especially when the former expanded upon the discovery aspect of the Space Jockey and its ship, plus injecting a bit of creationism discussion. But Ridley Scott isn't known for making abstract artistically ambiguous intellectual movies such as 2001:Space Odyssey, The Fountain or The Tree of Life; so the questions Prometheus posted could be straightforward and easily revealed in the sequels. The contribution of creator/head writer of Lost tv series, as co-writer of Prometheus, could be seen here for its numerous unanswered questions, but most of them are minor and could be answered with external info; hopefully the sequels won't drag the major questions too long (as with Lost). The only question I wanted to know the answer to, now is .... what the heck did David say to the surviving Engineer?
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 11 2012, 02:27 PM)
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what the heck did David say to the surviving Engineer?
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Yup, that's what of the biggest question of the movie, did David said exactly as what Weyland asked him too? or did he said something else? and did the Engineer even understands what David said?
Could it be what David had said is the reason why the Engineer gone crazy and started slaughtering them?
Because if you notice, at first the Engineer was pretty calm, and kinda touch David's head like he was his son, then suddenly he got really mad and ripped off David's head.
There's theories saying that at first The Engineer thought that David was his ancestor's creation(humans), and touches him, but then realized that David is NOT his ancestor's creation, and ripped David's head off in anger and decides to punish humans for this abomination (David, the android).

But since David is still alive there's chance he'll tell us what he said, in the sequel maybe tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 11 2012, 11:32 AM)
1) Yes, but only on IMAX 3D. I still haven't watch it on normal 3D

2) Yes there are a few frightening scene, but it's not action pack like Aliens, and don't expect it to be so much similar to the first Alien movie.
Only the ending part feels a bit similar to the first Alien.  smile.gif The film got lots of vibes from the 1st Alien.
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IMAX, meaning Pyramid TGV huh.

ok ok, then i'll proceed to watch this movie with no expectation on actions smile.gif. thanks for the feedback.
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Jun 11 2012, 03:07 PM)
IMAX, meaning Pyramid TGV huh.

ok ok, then i'll proceed to watch this movie with no expectation on actions smile.gif. thanks for the feedback.
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Yep, the one at Pyramid TGV, RM26 well spent biggrin.gif
But don't really expect too much of those pop-out 3D effects, there are some of those in the movie but not many. It's more about clarity, depth and perception kind of 3D smile.gif
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 11 2012, 01:32 PM)
Watch it and decide yourself

For most of fans of Aliens, this is good, and refreshing, an original movie that answers few questions about the first alien movie, and yet giving us another few sets of questions to ponder upon
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then i will watch it..
i'm a big fan of Aliens movies..thanks dude.. smile.gif
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then i will watch it..
i'm a big fan of Aliens movies..thanks dude.. smile.gif
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Damon Lindelof responds to all the haters like a badass

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Kinda feel bad for this guy, all the attacks he's been getting sad.gif
http://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof

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Lol if those people knew better then they should come up with their own script
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I honestly don't see any point in attacking him personally like that. Does venting your anger at him via tweeter achieve anything?

Instead of directly insulting people, maybe people would be better served by just expressing their disappointments publicly and hoping the public opinion would convince the producers to make a more sensible story line in the sequel. If they ever green lit one.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 10 2012, 11:57 PM)
when i bought the quadrilogy boxed set, i found out that the blond girl in that scene didnt even know it's gonna burst out. she totally freaked out and the reaction we saw was real. that's ridley lol.

anyways, i'm wondering if the version released in malaysia is the full version with the international ones? did they cut anything out? i noticed the F word only once. i know there's no nudity, but what about the gore/horror thingy? it's rated PG13 here, but R-rated everywhere else...
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Yea, I remember reading about that too, some time ago.

Trivia: remember the scene where Ripley did the reverse basketball shot in [Alien Resurrection] movie? She actually DID it.


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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 11 2012, 06:40 PM)
I honestly don't see any point in attacking him personally like that. Does venting your anger at him via tweeter achieve anything?

Instead of directly insulting people, maybe people would be better served by just expressing their disappointments publicly and hoping the public opinion would convince the producers to make a more sensible story line in the sequel. If they ever green lit one.
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Depends on whether it covers the budget or not, as they say and FOX Studios too...

Right now, 2nd place for USD 50 million box-office is not so bad...
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jun 11 2012, 08:40 PM)
Depends on whether it covers the budget or not, as they say and FOX Studios too...

Right now, 2nd place for USD 50 million box-office is not so bad...
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I think it will cover the budget. Just not sure if it'll be convincingly enough for them to be willing to bank roll another.
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Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol has been in 2D. Given the option between 2D and 3D, TGV will almost certainly show the 3D option but for The Dark Knight Rises, there isn't much of a choice.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 10 2012, 08:33 PM)
I remember watching MI:IV 2D at TGV IMAX though, and the picture clarity wasn't up to par. Prometheus 3D was crystal though. Perhaps they don't properly align the two projectors for 2D movies.
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What's the price for IMAX 2D at TGV?
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It seems this last and final Viral Video was played AFTER the end credits of Prometheus



Anyone knows what it means?
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Interview with Prometheus writer, Damon Lindelof, where he "answers" a few questions regarding the movie.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml

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The script I got was written by Jon Spaihts. He is a wonderful person and a great writer and his script reflected both. However, he had been tasked with executing the very specific task of making the story very "Alieny" (not a word) and it was rife with eggs, facehuggers, chestbursters and the Xenomorphs they grew into. If memory serves, the eggs show up around the end of the first act and the familiar progression of fertilization and gestation begins, at which point, all hell breaks loose.
Although I would be careful to ever use the term "Lindelof-ized" (such a phrase could just as easily be defined as "the process by which an ending is made completely unclear and/or f---ed up all together") my job was to strip out the familiar "Alien" stuff and rebalance the plot mechanics so that stuff felt more like the RESULT of the story as opposed to the catalyst

So in the original script, the film was suppose to be more "Alieny" with facehuggers, old school xenemorphs and all.

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Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary. And speaking of length ...
The Bluray/DVD is a must buy for sure


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Is she(Vickers) a robot?
She is not.


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Did you and Ridley and Jon discuss who created the Engineers?
Yes. But the more fascinating question is this: Do the Engineers KNOW who created them?


Have you guys worked out the answer to Elizabeth Shaw's burning question, i.e. why did our creators turn on us?
Golly, I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to THAT one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
Looks like never gonna tell us the answer to those...

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 12 2012, 11:19 PM)
Interview with Prometheus writer, Damon Lindelof, where he "answers" a few questions regarding the movie.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml
So in the original script, the film was suppose to be more "Alieny" with facehuggers, old school xenemorphs and all.
The Bluray/DVD is a must buy for sure
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Looks like never gonna tell us the answer to those...
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yup. it's clearly targeted for mature audiences. and in ripley's book, it doesnt refer to age maturity.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 12 2012, 11:57 PM)
Ridley feels the (better) audience needs the challenges; the question, debate about the movie; not to be spoon fed while watching a movie. Little wonder why there are those who need everything to in B&W for them  cool2.gif
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yup. it's clearly targeted for mature audiences. and in ripley's book, it doesnt refer to age maturity.
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Do you guys think Prometheus is an ambiguous film OR film that avoided answers?

A lot of people are debating this and said Prometheus shouldn't be compared to something like 2001: A Space Odyssey, because Prometheus avoided answers while 2001 is a legit ambiguous film.

This is what they said:

Thoughts that a movie should raise:
>Imagine if x was y.
>What do you think x really means?
(2001- ambiguous)

Thoughts that a movie should not raise:
>Why did he do x?
>If that was x, then why did y....
>How does x do y?
>What was the point of x if y was...
(Prometheus- avoided answers)


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Clearly Prometheus is the latter.

I even read somewhere that Ridley approached making this with a sequel in mind. That explains why he got the writer of LOST I guess.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 13 2012, 08:40 AM)
Clearly Prometheus is the latter.

I even read somewhere that Ridley approached making this with a sequel in mind. That explains why he got the writer of LOST I guess.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jun 12 2012, 10:40 AM)
I think it will cover the budget. Just not sure if it'll be convincingly enough for them to be willing to bank roll another.
Prometheus managed to be the 10th highest opening weekend of all time for a R-rated movie in US box office.
I guess it's not a box-office flop, but how much the budget for the sequel? I imagine would have much more visual effects since it'll be even more 'alieny' world.

QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 12 2012, 10:19 PM)
Interview with Prometheus writer, Damon Lindelof, where he "answers" a few questions regarding the movie.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml
So in the original script, the film was suppose to be more "Alieny" with facehuggers, old school xenemorphs and all.
The Bluray/DVD is a must buy for sure
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Looks like never gonna tell us the answer to those...
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 13 2012, 08:40 AM)
Clearly Prometheus is the latter.
I even read somewhere that Ridley approached making this with a sequel in mind. That explains why he got the writer of LOST I guess.
I thought I read somewhere that Lindelof was brought in to provide his 'Lost' writing style ... ambiguity; he advised and expanded on the opening 'creation' scenes and aspect of Engineers, whereas Ridley if follow the original script, would do a direct two-part prequel to Alien with more straightforward take on the creation part.

I'm glad they didn't do a direct prequel, it'll be too restrictive and might have to follow Alien canon (which has 'morphed' throughout the 4 series, not including the AvP 'prequels'). This way, it's like a re-make of Alien (hence the similar plots) akin to the new Star Trek reboot but still got plenty of space for them to link back to the 1st Alien movie, if they decided to.

One thing Ridley had decided to not do in Prometheus, that is to show Shaw straightaway would know the reasons of the Engineers actions.

http://collider.com/ridley-scott-prometheu...terview/172202/
http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/
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As most everyone knows by now, Prometheus was originally conceived as a two-part prequel to Scott’s Alien.  As development moved along, Lindelof was brought in to take a look at the script and give some notes.  He responded by suggesting they tone down the prequel aspects of the script and further develop the larger themes and ideas of the creation of humanity, the Engineers, etc.

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Scott told Movies.com that he always knew that the film’s ending would organically set Prometheus up for a sequel:
“From the very beginning, I was working from a premise that lent itself to a sequel. I really don’t want to meet God in the first one. I want to leave it open to [Noomi Rapace’s character, Dr. Elizabeth Shaw] saying, ‘I don’t want to go back to where I came from. I want to go where they came from.’ “

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One of the biggest questions left open at the end of Prometheus is why the Engineers made the decision to wipe out the human race, their creation.  Josh Hororwitz at MTV asked Lindelof if he and Scott had worked out the answer to that question yet, and here’s Lindelof’s response:
... see the MTV interview link provided by Claire.
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...the original script for Prometheus flat out explained why Earth was targeted for destruction, and the reasoning ties into Scott’s thoughts on religion.  They ultimately felt the idea was lacking in subtlety and scrapped it, but Scott elaborated on the plot point to Movies.com and his comments may provide a hint as to where the follow-up could go:

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 13 2012, 10:13 AM)
Personally, I'm not really a fan of LOST series or its writers. Nevertheless, I do enjoy the exposure to different style of writers and directors. Prometheus is downright entertaining and sparks lots of discussions and debates. Eventually, these questions will irate more than pique our judgement one what actually happened. I'm sure fans and avid moviegoers such as I can be looking forward to the bluray edition@ Director's cut@ extended version or whatever spinoffs they can make money of. But lets just hope they don't answer those questions with more questions. This is what I felt from watching a few series of Lost. When the writer wrote Lost, they really meant for the viewers to get LOST in their thoughts.
LOST is great for its earlier seasons (the flashback parts) ... but it got too muddled after the flashforward season, and quite confusing (without googling for discussions) during the flashsideway ending seasons. But overall, it's unique and enjoyable when in the mood to watch ambiguous story.
As mentioned in a link in the previous post, there'll be deleted extra scenes (extra 27 mins), but if they're just action scenes and not character development scenes like in Kingdom of Heaven's 3-hours Director Cut, then no need to edit them into extended version.
One thing I adjust myself when viewing 'Lost' kind of ambiguous series or abstract movies ... don't look for the logical explanations while viewing, feel the emotional aspect instead ... this kind of writers/directors usually want viewers to 'watch' with their hearts and not their mind ... or maybe they themselves don't have the complete answers, heheh. But I think Ridley Scott (and sequel writers) won't leave audience hanging without clear explanations (at least explainable reasonings, no need direct spoon feeding) at the end of sequels ... he knows he has to balance the commercial aspect of film-making.
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Here, straight out of Damon Lindelof himself, word of god,


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Why did David poison Charlie? Was he hoping he'd impregnate Elizabeth or was that just a nice bonus?

In the scene preceding said "poisoning" (but WAS it?), David was chatting with someone in cryo-sleep via headset that we can safely assume is Weyland. If I were a betting man, I'd say something happened in that conversation that very specifically directed David to spike Holloway's champagne. And yes, it was a safe bet that Holloway would have sex with Shaw soon after. Which is why in space, you should always wear a condom!


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml

This is neat
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One thing Ridley had decided to not do in Prometheus, that is to show Shaw straightaway would know the reasons of the Engineers actions.

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RS had already talked about this in an interview, but I'm not sure if this is still canon with the film or not.

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Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.


http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/...are-dark-angels

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in a way, i love how ridley interspersed his science mythology with religion.

but i'm disappointed that i had to learn it OUTSIDE of the film itself. it would make a great twist if it were put in the sequel.
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 13 2012, 10:48 AM)
This is neat
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 13 2012, 01:34 PM)
When did the first equation happen though?
The opening scene.
An Engineer with the black goo, presumably on Earth.
DNA in water, presumably become life's DNA on earth.
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 13 2012, 11:48 AM)
Here, straight out of Damon Lindelof himself, word of god,
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1687022/p...-lindelof.jhtml
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did janek and vickers had sex?
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did janek and vickers had sex?
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Although Vickers is actually not a robot

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Although Vickers is actually not a robot

but yeah they did  laugh.gif
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What did David say in the beginning about pain... Been trying to recall what he said since it was a really awesome quote. What is it? hmm.gif


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Prometheus is funking awesome. watched it just now.

damn you ridley!












To those incapable to comprehend the movie, or felt the movie leaves too many ambiguous holes for you, or like a chap who walked past me during end credits said "what the funk did i just watch" to his friends...

Don't be too hard to oneself, perhaps this movie is not meant for some. i suggest then indulge oneself to talking animals (madagascar 3), or even await for the highness nolan's DKR. cool2.gif


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i will pay to watch, again (ice queen) Meredith Vickers doing push ups. cool2.gif also what a pick up line by janek tongue.gif




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What did David say in the beginning about pain... Been trying to recall what he said since it was a really awesome quote. What is it?  hmm.gif
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David "The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts"

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Wtf! How come this movie just only release and now they are no longer showing in 2d???? Like 1U the other day I check Gsc web site have 2d, today no more 2d screening. cry.gif
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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Jun 13 2012, 04:27 PM)
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of course, ridley did mentioned on one of the interviews, but he is the type to leave it open for interpretation



perhaps to those who didnt catch all the viral video (of young guy pearce), here is the transcripts of that video

Peter Weyland
T.E. Lawrence, eponymously of Arabia but very much an Englishman, favoured pinching a burning match between his fingers to put it out. When asked by his colleague William Potter to reveal his trick, how is it he effectively extinguished the flame without hurting himself whatsoever, Lawrence just smiled and said, "The trick, Potter, is not minding it hurts." The fire that danced at the end of that match was a gift from the Titan Prometheus, a gift that he stole from the gods. And Prometheus was caught, and brought to justice for his theft. The gods, well, you might say they overreacted a little. The poor man was tied to a rock, as an eagle ripped through his belly and ate his liver over and over, day after day, ad infinitum. All because he gave us fire. Our first true gift of technology, fire...


Peter Weyland 100,000 BC: stone tools. 4,000 BC: the wheel. 900 AD: gunpowder - bit of a game changer, that one. 19th century: eureka, the lightbulb! 20th century: the automobile, television, nuclear weapons, spacecrafts, Internet. 21st century: biotech, nanotech, fusion and fission and M theory - and THAT, was just the first decade! We are now three months into the year of our Lord, 2023. At this moment of our civilization, we can create cybernetic individuals, who in just a few short years will be completely indistinguishable from us. Which leads to an obvious conclusion: WE are the gods now.


Peter Weyland: To those of you who know me: you will be aware by now that my ambition is unlimited. You know that I will settle for nothing short of greatness, or I will die trying. To those of you who do not yet know me: allow me to introduce myself. My name is Peter Weyland, and if you'll indulge me, I'd like to change the world.




you can deduce that mr weyland is a driven man. a rich, a beyond imagination of wealth ambitious man, fuelled with desire to "go to extremes, to boldly go where no one has gone before" cool2.gif





was catching up on one of the prometheus forums (discussions in 2011), apparently there were comics of the "alien" series. it touches also on the space jockey. picked a quote out.

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ETA: The 'Elephant' or 'Space Jockies' aliens were given a bit more of a role in the books, one was floating around observing what was going on on Earth, and was communicating with one of the main characters telepathically. It was known that they were an ancient, technologically advanced race.

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In a story I remember from one of my comics the Space Jockeys come to Earth to take it over. The President of the world goes up to meet them, and he has an alien inside him, he sacrifices himself for the planet. The SPs are terrified of the aliens and that's the end of their mission.



i not saying one must read beforehand or to have a better understanding. i think it's not A must to read before one watch, but it only goes to show it's consistent to what was already OUT there, this ridley's prometheus movie.


*I don't advocate one to MUST read books or comics to appreciate the movie. the movie can standalone. it's a choice of appreciation.

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but why no winona ryder from Alien Resurruction sad.gif

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Everybody knows this..Alien Resurrection is utter crap LOL.
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Above points are just own ramblings ...

QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 14 2012, 07:37 AM)
laugh.gif at that pic
but why no winona ryder from Alien Resurruction  sad.gif
Kinky lesbian androids 5eks ... rated more than R ... AO or M, haha.

Btw, as mentioned elsewhere ...
Alien's android name - Ash
Aliens' android name - Bishop
Alien3's android name - Bishop
Alien 4's android name - Call
Prometheus' android name - David
'Prometheus:Paradise's android name - Ellen Ripley' biggrin.gif

(off topic - Deckard in Blade Runner's sequel novelization is hinted to being an android himself)

QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Jun 14 2012, 08:36 AM)
Everybody knows this..Alien Resurrection is utter crap LOL.
1st time watched in cinema long time ago, quite enjoyed it.
Re-watched the special edition cut recently, thought it tried to be funny but doesn't really suit the movie ... maybe as Joss Whedon (the writer of Alien 4) said, if the director didn't play it straight and follow exactly his script, maybe the humour will be witty type.
Anyway, I liked the idea of Ripley's clone and her extra-human strengths ... now she knows the feeling of not being fully human.

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opening scene...that 'guy' drinking something? what's that all about?

sorry if this is a silly question tongue.gif

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opening scene...that 'guy' drinking something? what's that all about?

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He sacrificed himself in order to seed the Earth

well that's the theory
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He sacrificed himself in order to seed the Earth

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QUOTE(silbii @ Jun 14 2012, 02:37 PM)
opening scene...that 'guy' drinking something? what's that all about?

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jun 14 2012, 03:08 PM)
bad engineering. the chances of dropping his dna into a raging ravine can spawn homosapiens is as almost impossible
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Prometheus is awesome on : special effects, acting by Michael Fassbender as David ( ice cold robot). But almost the rest is verging on foolishness form the plot and screenplay.
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Enjoyed the movie. But my question are
1. Why at the start of the movie one engineer drink something and died? What the meaning of that?
2. After getting 50 mil on opening week, what the chances now on a sequel?
3. If there a sequel hope it won't be this same lost writer bcs he good at writing scripts with many questions but then give really stupid answers like what he did with lost. That ruind the years I spent watching lost.
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1) Every big things has small beginnings
2) Wait for the international gross and also the 2nd week to gauge
3) That is how they can do more sequels
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 14 2012, 12:11 AM)
David "The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts"
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biggrin.gif I love this quote for some reason, from "Lawrence of the Arabia"



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If human beings can create an intelligent life form like David-8 would that make us gods? If so what really is god? Would you worship something that is inferior in many ways, is Ridley trying to tell us something about our future?


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biggrin.gif  I love this quote for some reason, from "Lawrence of the Arabia"


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Which is why many regard as one of the very top movies ever made. There are lots of classics but today's movie goers probably will ignore classic legends as ancient for today's 'legend' Cameron's and Nolan's smile.gif

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jun 14 2012, 08:36 PM)
1) Every big things has small beginnings
2) Wait for the international gross and also the 2nd week to gauge
3) That is how they can do more sequels
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They say he sacrifice himself so his DNA created human race?? Water mix his DNA to make human???
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Jun 14 2012, 11:50 PM)
They say he sacrifice himself so his DNA created human race?? Water mix his DNA to make human???
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ok, it's (just) a story. cool2.gif

i dont think ridley sets out for us on a bona-fide science education trip on evolution of human race (though a lot of the other aspects such as landscapes in the movie were consulted with NASA's images, the engineering on the prometheus ship, although concepts, the medical, ship etc were proper consultation/development from 3D drawings).

however, i don't think we want to there on, Why this, Why that, IS this Even possible, I think the makers well, ridleys want the fans to make their own assumption on "Who are we", Here's his story, and btw (ridley says) it can be scary tongue.gif .

As in how elizabeth, a scientist believes in religion because she choose to "believe".




there were comments/questions on other Prometheus forums that.. doh.gif doh.gif
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there are times i wish i can bat their heads wink.gif


relax la bros cool2.gif

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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Jun 14 2012, 10:50 PM)
They say he sacrifice himself so his DNA created human race?? Water mix his DNA to make human???
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Jun 14 2012, 06:45 PM)
Enjoyed the movie. But my question are
1. Why at the start of the movie one engineer drink something and died? What the meaning of that?
2. After getting 50 mil on opening week, what the chances now on a sequel?
3. If there a sequel hope it won't be this same lost writer bcs he good at writing scripts with many questions but then give really stupid answers like what he did with lost. That ruind the years I spent watching lost.
QUOTE(shinjite @ Jun 14 2012, 08:36 PM)
1) Every big things has small beginnings
2) Wait for the international gross and also the 2nd week to gauge
3) That is how they can do more sequels
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They say he sacrifice himself so his DNA created human race?? Water mix his DNA to make human???
1. I still haven't read enough to conclude, was the act intentional? There are mentions of rebel Engineers..and unfilmed scene that an elder Engineer offered the younger Engineer the black goo. Is the one in the opening act a rebel? Then the other Engineers tried to destroy the resulting earthlings coz that wasn't in their plan? Anyway, was it mentioned how long since the mixing of the DNAs with H2O that human beings appeared? For all we know, it's just the beginning of evolution, with the external DNA a trigger ingredient in the primodial soup, and took billions of years (but then, how come the Engineers race didn't improve along much? heheh, more questions ... )

2. The box-office of 50million for a R-rated film in US is above expectation. Prometheus held the box office throne in the United Kingdom (Ridley Scott's country) coz no Madagascar 3 to compete. Overall, it did 90millions internationally (RM2juta in Malaysia). Not bad. Blu-rays and DVDs still to come after theatrical runs. (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=prometheus.htm)

3. I guess that's why the producers or the director brought Lindelof in, to provide the 'religious' viewpoint. As we know, LOST ending is very religiously biased. In a way, I was satisfied with the series ending ... from the emotional aspect. From the logical aspect which demands clear cut answers, one is bound to be disappointed. As with most religions, one have to rely on faith, personal emotional experience ... not empirical explanations. (see Contact)


QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 15 2012, 12:59 AM)
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ok, it's a (just) story. cool2.gif
i dont think ridley sets out for us on a bona fide science education. i don't think we want to there on why this, why that, Is this even possible, I think the makers; well, ridleys want the fans to make their own assumption on "who are we", here's his story, and btw it can be scary  tongue.gif .
As in how elizabeth, a scientist believes in religion because she choose to "believe". 
there were comments/questions on other Prometheus forums that..  doh.gif  doh.gif
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there are times i wish i can bat their heads  wink.gif
Ya, Ridley Scott isn't the preachy type of director. Even with Kingdom of Heaven, he tried to balance both the Islamic and Christian Crusaders points ...
I guess with old age, one tends to more religious (to be on the safe side) and he's using his current movies to include some religion/creation themes, but not too 'atheist' ... more to agnostic ... open minded. I'd liken Naomi's Shaw character to Jodie Foster's Arroway character in Contact ... both a scientist who like to believe (altho one only realized it in the end) and both gets 'invitation' to meet the 'higher beings' ... I only hope Prometheus sequel doesn't go the "oh, we're not the prime movers, there were others before us".
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Btw, a cool post ....
http://www.m.prometheus-movie.com/communit...rums/topic/7487
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You want to know if LV -233 is anywhere near LV 426... yes indeedy.
Here's what we know about the Location of LV 426 from Alien - as told by Lambert - the source of the signal is the system of Zeta 2 Reticuli ( part of a binary system 39 light years from Earth.)
From Prometheus we are told that the ship is 3.27 * 10^ 14 km from Earth and this works out to approx 34.5 light years away. And we get a diagram of six stars.
I pulled up a star map of the Zeta Reticuli system... guess what pattern I found?
Yeah. that's right. I think LV -223 is a moon around a planet orbiting the star Gliese 86... which is the bottom left star (lowest in the three that seem to make a diagonal going up and right) while Zeta 2 Reticuli is the one in the bottom right star.
Gliese 86 is a K type star, approx 35 light years away... with a white dwarf star and massive gas giant planet orbiting it (discovered in 2000) .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zeta_reticuli.png
Zeta Reticuli has been part of UFO folklore for sometime by the way being part of the Hill Abduction Folklore.
What do I win?

I guess that part was properly scientifically consulted ... smile.gif

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Hmm, this thread has accumulated 10-11 pages of post-movie discussions either consisting of questions or possible theories relating to Prometheus. Not to mention other Prometheus forums where the post-movie discussions have surmounted to 50 pages! 50!

Whether its bad writing or plotholes, I think the fact that ppl all over the net are so intrigued rummaging for answers within Prometheus proves in itself that the film is a success. This is one of those movies where I simply hate yet love.

Mr. Ridley is probably now at home reading abt all the discussions here on the net and laughing off the many theories ppl have come up with.
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Hey guys to know what David said to the Engineer at the end have to waits for months till the dvd ar??? Did anyone manage to crack it already. Any fan out there who can speak ancient language?lol
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 15 2012, 11:12 AM)
1. I still haven't read enough to conclude, was the act intentional? There are mentions of rebel Engineers..and unfilmed scene that an elder Engineer offered the younger Engineer the black goo. Is the one in the opening act a rebel? Then the other Engineers tried to destroy the resulting earthlings coz that wasn't in their plan? Anyway, was it mentioned how long since the mixing of the DNAs with H2O that human beings appeared? For all we know, it's just the beginning of evolution, with the external DNA a trigger ingredient in the primodial soup, and took billions of years (but then, how come the Engineers race didn't improve along much? heheh, more questions ... )

I guess that part was properly scientifically consulted ...  smile.gif
Well the biological aspect was definitely not being scientifically consulted...

Any biologist with the most basic credentials will point out the serious errors as presented in the movie.

1. Free flowing DNA in raging water. DNA alone does not produce life and being dispersed at such a large volume of water will bring the probability of proteins and random DNA coming together to 0%. For life to start you need shallow concentrated pools with random chemicals forming amino acids, lipids and probable nucleic acids.

2. The DNA was shown to be very short fragments (100bp or less) single stranded DNA. To be broken down to such an extend and to able to reform back to the engineers' original chromosomal sequences is again 0%. Homo sapien is not the only hominid in evolutionary history nor are humans the only animal species in the world. This relation is a fixed genetic variability can be calculated and determined.

3. The human genome (3 Gigabase haploid) is a testament of evolution, about only 2% codes for proteins and another 2% are are transcriptional involved, while the rest of the genome is yet unknown but it's safe to say for a fully functional human, a much lesser genome size can exist (probably just 20% is needed). Which is also why human as the most successful species now, does not have the largest genome in the animal kingdom. Some "lower" level fish can even have a larger genome than human. Accumulation of large non-functional regions of the genome is a testament of the evolutionary, life span, breeding frequency... etc. Because of the presumed long life span of the Engineers, their genome has to be different than human's. Even though an Engineer looks like YaoMing their genome can be/has to be different, and due to convergent evolution (as there are many examples on earth) similar characteristics/structure can exist.

4. A Eukaryotic somatic cell division was shown, this is not the first lifeforms on earth .... an argument can be made as showing further down time progression though.

Therefore Ripley Scott and the Lost script writer (and another) are out of their league. If you bring in a concept make sure you have the current science to back it up. Science fiction of old cannot be utilised now. If you don't know anything SciFi it out of your imagination shows the person's stupidity (is the best way that I can put it). This in a way is reflective/testament of the effort put in by Joss Whedon by putting SciFi and real science hand in hand that blew everyone away in the box-office (except James Cameron, another director working/consulting with the scientific community)

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QUOTE(Enilyks34 @ Jun 15 2012, 01:14 PM)
Hmm, this thread has accumulated 10-11 pages of post-movie discussions either consisting of questions or possible theories relating to Prometheus. Not to mention other Prometheus forums where the post-movie discussions have surmounted to 50 pages! 50!
Whether its bad writing or plotholes, I think the fact that ppl all over the net are so intrigued rummaging for answers within Prometheus proves in itself that the film is a success. This is one of those movies where I simply hate yet love.
Mr. Ridley is probably now at home reading abt all the discussions here on the net and laughing off the many theories ppl have come up with.
We got trolled by Mr. Scott ... sweat.gif
Anyway, there are movies worth the time for discussion even if they're straightforward. Prometheus, being part of the approved Alien-canon movies, is one; then, there are the intentionally left unanswered questions. While it does not necessarily make it an intelligent movie, it does provoke more than some thoughts.

QUOTE(Double_Ace @ Jun 15 2012, 01:45 PM)
Hey guys to know what David said to the Engineer at the end have to waits for months till the dvd ar??? Did anyone manage to crack it already. Any fan out there who can speak ancient language?lol
Not sure if the subtitles for the 'alien' language will be provided in the blu-ray/dvd, coz the director purposely don't want the audience to know the translation ... whether that's important or not, we don't know yet. If it's important to the storyline, then we'll only know the clear answer in sequels. But, if the ancient language is based on earthly ancient language, nothing-better-to-do fans might try to decipher it.
Or, just ask directly from these people :- Anil Biltoo, Wambui Kunya, Sonam Dugdak, Shin Okajima, Kay Rienjang, Zed Sevcikova and Reynir Eggertsson.
From imbd trivia, "Ridley Scott approached SOAS (School of Oriental and African Studies), University of London, in 2011 to find experts who could help create a new language for the film. Anil Biltoo from SOAS' Language Centre worked to create the language, as well as the alien script, which can be seen throughout. Anil Biltoo can be seen briefly in a scene with Michael Fassbender." as well as other SOAS staff members (aforementioned names) that appeared briefly and are credited.

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
Well the biological aspect was definitely not being scientifically consulted...
Any biologist with the most basic credentials will point out the serious errors as presented in the movie.
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Therefore Ripley Scott and the Lost script writer (and another) are out of their league. If you bring in a concept make sure you have the current science to back it up. Science fiction of old cannot be utilised now. If you don't know anything SciFi it out of your imagination shows the person's stupidity (is the best way that I can put it). This in a way is reflective/testament of the effort put in by Joss Whedon by putting SciFi and real science hand in hand that blew everyone away in the box-office (except James Cameron, another director working/consulting with the scientific community)
You sir, is a well-learned Beast; I wonder if you're the real Dr. McCoy, the world authority on biochemistry and genetics? rclxms.gif
jk jk tongue.gif

I guess Mr. Ridley (Ripley) Scott and Lindelof wanted to simplify the science for majority of us, laymen. (iinm, the other writer originally intended this movie to be a direct prequel of 1979's Alien. Those former two, are the one who wanted to expand the creationist part, while Lindelof advise the prequel(s) to be ambiguous...his expertise). Maybe it's their take on the earth's primodial soup (could've made it hot boiling lava, but water comes to mind when talking about life) and the external ingredient needed to trigger the creation of life (other theories being, extra-terrestrial objects e.g. meteor, bringing the source of life to Earth)...heheh.
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 15 2012, 04:32 PM)
You sir, is a well-learned Beast; I wonder if you're the real Dr. McCoy, the world authority on biochemistry and genetics?  rclxms.gif
jk jk  tongue.gif

I guess Mr. Ridley (Ripley) Scott and Lindelof wanted to simplify the science for majority of us, laymen. (iinm, the other writer originally intended this movie to be a direct prequel of 1979's Alien.  Those former two, are the one who wanted to expand the creationist part, while Lindelof advise the prequel(s) to be ambiguous...his expertise).  Maybe it's their take on the earth's primodial soup (could've made it hot boiling lava, but water comes to mind when talking about life) and the external ingredient needed to trigger the creation of life (other theories being, extra-terrestrial objects e.g. meteor, bringing the source of life to Earth)...heheh.
Well Dr. Henry Philip McCoy (in fiction) is not a world authority, any established science authority need a commitee of many members. I'm however, a doctorate in the same field as the fictional Dr. McCoy.... the real McCoy, pun intended.

It's a shame that X-Men 1/2/3, First Class, XO: Wolverine ... all commit worst offences..just make the movies so much less enjoyable.

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 15 2012, 04:58 PM)
Well Dr. Henry Philip McCoy (in fiction) is not a world authority, any established science authority need a commitee of many members. I'm however, a doctorate in the same field as the fictional Dr. McCoy.... the real McCoy, pun intended.

It's a shame that X-Men 1/2/3, First Class, XO: Wolverine ... all commit worst offences..just make the movies so much less enjoyable.
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the origins of how the aliens exist - prometheus
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Also 3% CO2 is not toxic where you'll last only a few minutes... but you can survive hours (or days) ... you may have chest muscles fatigue/dizziness/headache though but not death.

Only at exceeding 5% is where it's truly toxic.

^5 sec google search.

A simple O2 generator/filter from the 21% O2 environment just to increase the O2 percentage and they can stay out as long as they want. Ordinary or simple gas mask will do. Pandora (Avatar's) environment was even more hostile.

Again poor writing without research.

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I pity you if you think these frivolities affect your enjoyment of movies.

Plus any way you cut it, Prometheus is more science fiction (remember the fiction part?) than The Avengers will ever be. You had to be joking with that comment.
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jun 14 2012, 10:49 PM)
biggrin.gif  I love this quote for some reason, from "Lawrence of the Arabia"

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If human beings can create an intelligent life form like David-8 would that make us gods? If so what really is god? Would you worship something that is inferior in many ways, is Ridley trying to tell us something about our future?
apparently david has a neck for quoting from the movie "Lawrence of the Arabia", not just the one line "The trick William Potter is not minding that it hurts"

but also
"There is nothing in the desert and no man needs nothing"
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"Big things have small beginnings"


An observation by some people (i know we dont really dig old movies or have the opportune to be exposed to such), but after a fair amount of reading, noting that not only david "qoutes"; he also fashion to look like peter o'toole as in the beginning of the movie where we see david spends his time watching old movies, researching languages, lots of reading, watching human dreams, playing solo basketball for about 2 years while the crew were cryosleeping.

Read a blog entry, this is what she thought of it ;
Click Link: The-trick-william-potter-is-not-minding-that-it-hurts < interesting observation.

Now, did david (the andriod) who-has-no-soul is able to 'decide' or is able to make choices, independent from as what is is progammed or told by the crew/weyland (btw since we know his 'god' is peter weyland). an interesting concept ridley puts forth.

what we know of *Thomas Edward Lawrence.
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Lawrence was assigned to the cartography division in Cairo until they realzied his use in the field thanks to his knowledge of the Bedouin. Once unleased onto the desert, he became a force to be reckoned with, disobeying orders and orchestrating suprise attacks.

-Both characters embraced their desolate wastelands as an adventure which to me is rather charming.


Link above: what this writer says of david



IF david is able to rehearse & quotes from "lawrence of arabia", he should by then able to act out/carry out the act to taking man's life (holloway) as there is a qoute in that (LOA) movie

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T.E. Lawrence: I killed two people. One was... yesterday? He was just a boy and I led him into quicksand. The other was... well, before Aqaba. I had to execute him with my pistol, and there was something about it that I didn't like.
General Allenby: That's to be expected.
T.E. Lawrence: No, something else.
General Allenby: Well, then let it be a lesson.
T.E. Lawrence: No... something else.
General Allenby: What then?
T.E. Lawrence: I enjoyed it.


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While we all are debating what elizabeth or charlie or vickers, janek should have more role time. the pivotal character to me is (pretty much) david.

And, david apparently choses to keep 'elizabeth' cross, given reasons of "contamination", yet he chooses to keep in his pocket and not quarantined. what is his reason to do so.

How he chooses (if at all he can make choices independently), his obsession on humans (shaw dreams), on why "he appears" disdained at times by their choices yet could not comprehend shaws obsession on her choice to not return back to earth but seek where engineers come from.



There are far more than meets the eye with this movie. Some may say, nuts like us are making mountains of a mole hill, but i assure you, Prometheus IS everything that has been hyped about. cool2.gif

I dont know if this will spark debates close to nolan's concept of level of dreams (inception the movie), though i find this far, far more appealing in many levels. cool2.gif cool2.gif




this is what david's dialogue in the viral movie
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"- David, what do you think about?

I think about anything.
Children playing.
Angels.
The universe.
Robots.

- David, what makes you sad?

War.
Poverty.
Cruelty.
Unnecessary violence."







sidenote: *Thomas Edward Lawrence is not a fictional character but the movie Lawrence Of Arabia is of OF him.

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Another observation, i don't know if someone notice or brought it up before this.

The ship in the beginning of the movie where we see an Engineer is sacrificed drinking the black goo IS different from the crescent shaped engineer ship that was tasked to travel to (destroy) earth as was told by david & the info relayed to shaw.

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 15 2012, 07:51 PM)
Also 3% CO2 is not toxic where you'll last only a few minutes... but you can survive hours (or days) ... you may have chest muscles fatigue/dizziness/headache though but not death.
Only at exceeding 5% is where it's truly toxic.
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Ya, read about that in imdb board ... if only they'll just change the 3% to 5% ... then again, as long as the point is made, sometimes I'll just have to suspend belief in order to enjoy sci-fi movies more ... else I'll be nick-picking on every factual errors.

QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 15 2012, 05:43 PM)
I'm glad I'm not so anal about scientific theories in movies or I wouldn't have enjoyed movies like Star Wars, Avatar, Transformers, Star Trek etc laugh.gif
QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 16 2012, 12:14 AM)
I pity you if you think these frivolities affect your enjoyment of movies.
Plus any way you cut it, Prometheus is more science fiction (remember the fiction part?) than The Avengers will ever be. You had to be joking with that comment.
However, movies that categorized themselves in the sci-fi genre, are assumed to have scientific basis, else they can be called fantasy. The Avengers is a comic-book movie ... not sci-fi.
Having said that, I guess it all depends on individual movies, ... those we don't like, we'll nick-pick the goofs; those that we like, we'll ignore the errors. icon_rolleyes.gif

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sidenote: *Thomas Edward Lawrence is not a fictional character but the movie Lawrence Of Arabia is of OF him.

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Another observation, i don't know if someone notice or brought it up before this.

The ship in the beginning of the movie where we see an Engineer is sacrificed drinking the black goo IS different from the crescent shaped engineer ship that was tasked to travel to (destroy) earth as was told by david & the info relayed to shaw.
That sir, is deep analyzation .... before the movie Lawrence of Arabia, T.E. Lawrence's writings are quite influential at as well ... at least in western worlds.

Any android/synthetic beings trying to be more human in films, I can't help but to compare with Spock or Data; which is of equal but not more importance than Captain Kirk or Jean-Luc Picard, respectively.

Regarding the spacecraft in the beginning, now that you've mentioned it, ya ... it's more saucer-shaped than the crescent derelict spacecraft that we've known.

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One aspect/'weakness' of the film I'm glad that have been discussed elsewhere:-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200425162?p=1

Is it possible that the crew were intended to be stupid and incompetent?

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by peterw5  2 days ago (Wed Jun 13 2012 17:12:36)

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When I came out of the theater for "Prometheus" I was disappointed for a lot of the same reasons that many have already pointed out, mostly involving the whole crew (minus perhaps David) behaving like complete morons (i.e. waltzing into an alien spaceship blind with no weapons; taking off their helmets in a foreign atmosphere; taking potentially dangerous and contagious alien heads and goo back onto the ship; lost crew trying to pet alien penis snakes; Having the crew mostly consist of hired hand who are only there for the money and are not inormed what the mission is until they get there; etc.) Shaw and Holloway (and Weyland) seem to have this incredibly naive idea that they're just going to go meet their alien creators and be friends and there won't be any complications. The mission is very poorly planned and is being conducted by incompetent morons.

At first I thought that all the above problems were just really bad writing and characterization. But now that I think about it more, I'm wondering if it was Scott's intent for the crew to be such naive morons? I do think there are some indicators in the film that could support this theory.

1. The mission is not an official scientific mission conducted by reputable people, but a privately funded crusade to "get answers" and perhaps find the fountain of youth by the extremely wealthy and dying Peter Weyland.
2. Peter Weyland is clearly very fond of his cybernetic robot David, which means that David probably had a hand in planning the mission with Weyland.
3. David actually hates his father and the human race and secretly wants to sabotage the mission. What better way to sabotage the mission than to influence Weyland to hire a bunch of incompetent morons and then destroy the mission from within when you get there (which David does by infecting Holloway and by saying something to the Engineer to make it angry and turn it against the humans).

What are people's thoughts on this theory?

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by fliphop  1 day ago (Wed Jun 13 2012 17:28:36)

peterw5: i admire that you were able to change your own perspective over time. i myself 'stick to my guns' too often and overlook things i may have missed.

and i do completely buy your theory number 1. if you look at the history of scientific exploration, from the Europeans coming to the Americas, to the first explorations of space, there is behavior found that would be considered, from an outside perspective, 'stupid' or 'reckless'. the spanish conquistadors in particular were searching for 'fountains of eternal youth', or gold, or mythical cities, and were frequently accompanied by ignorant and foolish crews who died in spades. but it is hard to get 'normal' people to risk their lives sailing across an unknown space for years on end without paying them a huge amount of money.

and even the smartest people can make mistakes --- mistakes of logic and reason at times. some of the science-motivated antarctic expeditions in the 20th century for example (ponies vs dogs for example).

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Copy pasta from an imdb post again ... me lazy, they articulate better ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200474498?p=1
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Prometheus was WELL WRITTEN. you have to understand the themes.
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The whole movie is about a lack of purpose. David, during his two years on the Prometheus while it traveled, developed a God complex. He realized that he was more able then his human creators, which are mortal (unlike him) and less able to do/learn like David. He watched Shaw's and everyone's dreams to learn about them. He watches Lawrence of Arabia (a movie about a man leading a rebellion against his superior officers), chooses to dress like the main character and practices his speech. David doesn't seem to follow orders (like opening the tomb door when Shaw says not to, or taking the vase back, or departing from the crew to explore for the Engineers, and not wanting to tell Vickers what her father had told him). He increasingly becomes overly confident in his superiority (even says "not too close, I hope" when Weyland says that androids are as close to being human as ever) when David gains a "soul," for what is a soul but a profound purpose of being. It satisfies him when the humans learn that their creators were nothing special, and that their existence is nothing special. He probably told the Engineer something to deliberately anger the Engineer and put the crew in harms way. It is not until his head if ripped off and he is completely helpless that he remembers his place, a creation of humans, and becomes subservient to Shaw.

This is a perfect mirror to the Engineers and humans.

God is used not to refer to Jesus, but to reference the connection between creator/created and what being a "god" means. That is why there were so many biblical references in the movie (such as Elizabeth's name, washing Weyland's feet before his death, the xeno mural, the necklace, the planet's name, and so on). Prometheus deals with the idea of "why does humanity exist?" and "who is God?" If God is the one who created life, then that is the Engineers (not a very exciting or supremely awesome result), and if humans created androids, then are they Gods? Better question, what is the purpose of creating life other then "just cuz?" The movie challenges the entire notion that life is sacred or special and makes people think about what it means to exist.

That, and a bunch of awesome space scenes and scary moments.

This is also obvious in the scene where they stick a probe into the Engineer's head's neck and electrocute it to "bring it back to life" in a way. It is a direct reference to Frankenstein. The title of which is actually: Frankenstein: A Modern Prometheus, and Victor Frankenstein happens to be married to a woman named Elizabeth. The book deals with the creation of life, and how that life becomes a monster and kills everything. Just as how the black goo alters life and turns it into something evil.

The movie was well thought out, it deserves to be watched a few times.


Maybe the director/writers developed their own God complex, until they ignored the minute details i.e. see the bigger picture, not just day-to-day mundane life ... (blasphemy!) tongue.gif
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 16 2012, 10:51 AM)
Copy pasta from an imdb post again ... me lazy, they articulate better ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200474498?p=1
(with att. to koolspyda who like the character David the most ...  smile.gif )
Maybe the director/writers developed their own God complex, until they ignored the minute details i.e. see the bigger picture, not just day-to-day mundane life ... (blasphemy!)  tongue.gif
Hence they want to explain god (something no one can scientifically prove) and throw out all scientific basis (even the most basic) and yet use it in the visuals of the movie .. That's bad/lazy writing.

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 16 2012, 09:50 AM)
However, movies that categorized themselves in the sci-fi genre, are assumed to have scientific basis, else they can be called fantasy.
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I guess Prometheus has enough basis to be called a sci-fi movie. If not, then movies like Star Wars is even worse, super dumb, no scientific basis at all. But we still call it sci-fi.
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Of all the problems the movie has, why would anyone pick on an insignificant frivolity like how some alien/higher being's DNA managed to create life? Hell, the image of the DNA in the title sequence may just as well have been simply a symbolism of creation. Why be so literal?

BeastX, do you really consider The Avengers as science fiction? I just can't wrap my head around that idea...


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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 16 2012, 01:54 PM)
BeastX, do you really consider The Avengers as science fiction? I just can't wrap my head around that idea...
Most of Marvel's characters (except probably Thor's) are based on Science Fiction or some scientific basis was used to explain their powers... as thought out/designed by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

as opposed to Batman being primary a detective/thriller and Superman that has all the power under the Sun just on the basis of him being an Alien (SciFi on the verge of Fantasy).

So yes Avengers' SciFi... even with Thor, they attempted to put Science to fantasy, not very good at that but good enough that it does not pull you out/affect the Lore by much.
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 15 2012, 07:51 PM)
Also 3% CO2 is not toxic where you'll last only a few minutes... but you can survive hours (or days) ... you may have chest muscles fatigue/dizziness/headache though but not death.

Only at exceeding 5% is where it's truly toxic.

^5 sec google search.

A simple O2 generator/filter from the 21% O2 environment just to increase the O2 percentage and they can stay out as long as they want. Ordinary or simple gas mask will do. Pandora (Avatar's) environment was even more hostile.

Again poor writing without research.
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wow bro you must be bored watching scifi
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 16 2012, 02:46 PM)
wow bro you must be bored watching scifi
I'd would not say bored.... It just makes it less enjoyable.... Avatar and Avengers were great....

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I'd would not say bored.... It just makes it less enjoyable.... Avatar and Avengers were great....
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can i know what field of study u were in ?
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 16 2012, 09:50 AM)
Ya, read about that in imdb board ... if only they'll just change the 3% to 5% ... then again, as long as the point is made, sometimes I'll just have to suspend belief in order to enjoy sci-fi movies more ... else I'll be nick-picking on every factual errors.
However, movies that categorized themselves in the sci-fi genre, are assumed to have scientific basis, else they can be called fantasy.  The Avengers is a comic-book movie ... not sci-fi.
Having said that, I guess it all depends on individual movies, ... those we don't like, we'll nick-pick the goofs; those that we like, we'll ignore the errors.  icon_rolleyes.gif
That sir, is deep analyzation .... before the movie Lawrence of Arabia, T.E. Lawrence's writings are quite influential at as well ... at least in western worlds.

Any android/synthetic beings trying to be more human in films, I can't help but to compare with Spock or Data; which is of equal but not more importance than Captain Kirk or Jean-Luc Picard, respectively. 

Regarding the spacecraft in the beginning, now that you've mentioned it, ya ... it's more saucer-shaped than the crescent derelict spacecraft that we've known.

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One aspect/'weakness' of the film I'm glad that have been discussed elsewhere:-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200425162?p=1

Is it possible that the crew were intended to be stupid and incompetent?
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 16 2012, 10:51 AM)
Copy pasta from an imdb post again ... me lazy, they articulate better ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200474498?p=1
(with att. to koolspyda who like the character David the most ...  smile.gif )
Maybe the director/writers developed their own God complex, until they ignored the minute details i.e. see the bigger picture, not just day-to-day mundane life ... (blasphemy!)  tongue.gif
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Wait wait... so this is a movie that intentionally makes everything look badly written so as to somehow achieve whatever Ridley Scott / the writers intended to achieve (the whole God-creator thing)?

Wow. Seriously? doh.gif Is this a new era where "supposedly bad films" are actually good but ONLY IF you do your homework and a whole lot of reading? WTH...

I can't accept this, perhaps others can. If a movie is not good then it probably is. When you leave the cinema, that's it. How you feel after leaving your seat is what the movie experience had on yourself. Simple.... and for me, it was not really that great.


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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 16 2012, 03:02 PM)
can i know what field of study u were in ?
I'm still very active in the field... refer to my avatar.
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 16 2012, 02:53 PM)
I'd would not say bored.... It just makes it less enjoyable.... Avatar and Avengers were great....
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Hmm you must hate Star Wars right? Since it's scientifically dumb so the movies should be pretty dumb too. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 16 2012, 05:13 PM)
Hmm you must hate Star Wars right? Since it's scientifically dumb so the movies should be pretty dumb too.  biggrin.gif
I don't believe Star Wars ever used science to explain their universe... The most prominent thing is the Jedi power. All the technologies were as is.... the most faulty thing would be laser pew-pew and explosions sound in Space, same thing with the nuclear explosion in Space of Avengers... Then again there could be an atmosphere at Chitauri's space...

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 16 2012, 11:51 AM)
Copy pasta from an imdb post again ... me lazy, they articulate better ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200474498?p=1
(with att. to koolspyda who like the character David the most ...  smile.gif )
Maybe the director/writers developed their own God complex, until they ignored the minute details i.e. see the bigger picture, not just day-to-day mundane life ... (blasphemy!)  tongue.gif
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thank you, thank you.

did i not share that i equate david to Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer), blade runner? cool2.gif

that another bloody movie tht will bore the hell out of those who find holes in Prometheus movie the size of moon's craters.

i know i dont always agree, i for one found james cameron's Avatar unimaginative, in fact i think he should stick to titanic whistling.gif Fine, if it had supposedly a large scientist community consulting him etc. ok enough, dont want to go there.


i hope to catch this again in imax









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http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/

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The original title of the Alien prequel was Paradise before they settled on Prometheus, but Paradise has been bandied about as the possible title for the Prometheus follow-up.  It’s now clear that the “Paradise” title would refer to the home planet of humanity’s makers (ie. heaven).  As for what the home planet of the Engineers is like, Scott’s vision doesn’t sound like a happy trip

“Because [the Engineers] are such aggressive f***ers … and who wouldn’t describe them that way, considering their brilliance in making dreadful devices and weapons that would make our chemical warfare look ridiculous? So I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God. As she says, “This is not what I thought it was going to be, and I think we should get the Hell out of here or there won’t be any place to go back to.

That’s not necessarily planted in the ground at the tail end of the third act, but I knew that’s kind of where we should go, because if we’ve opened up this door — which I hope we have because I certainly would like to do another one – I’d love to explore where the hell [Dr. Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous.”
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“This movie has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that’s what the sequel to Prometheus would be.”
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“It’s interesting to do a sequel because this leaves the door so open to some huge questions. The real question to me is – the more mankind discovers in science the more clear and helpful everything becomes, yet we’re very bad at managing ourselves. And one of the biggest problems in the world is what we call religion, it causes more problems than anything in the goddamn universe. Think about what’s happening now, all based on the very simple idea that a Muslim can’t live alongside a Catholic, or a Catholic can’t live alongside a Protestant…”
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actually a lot of us presumed the beginning sacrifice scene to be giving life to humanity.

ridley didn't imply it was earth (he did say it could be anywhere in the galaxy)

we don't know IF it was a sacrifice was for the creation of life, what we did see the giant engineer drank the goop, fell into the waterfall, he then appear to disintegrate, stands of the DNA appear to break up, and appear to become something else. what else? what IF it was other what we, many of us presumed (mankind)?

while ridley/lindelof did say the engineers probably created up, in the movie, shaw showed us we share the same DNA, but for not the sacrifice itself did not lend to more then the young giant engineer 'died'.

Ridley did say the engineers travel thru space, somewhat like a gardener. still, it's open to interpretation. cool2.gif

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Watched it, Like it, Would like to see what happens next.
Even though Vickers death looks like a comic relief for me.
Just don't understand what is the problem with the ending.
Aren't we supposed to be excited to see Prometheus ties with Alien? blink.gif
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
Well the biological aspect was definitely not being scientifically consulted...

Any biologist with the most basic credentials will point out the serious errors as presented in the movie.

1. Free flowing DNA in raging water. DNA alone does not produce life and being dispersed at such a large volume of water will bring the probability of proteins and random DNA coming together to 0%. For life to start you need shallow concentrated pools with random chemicals forming amino acids, lipids and probable nucleic acids.

2. The DNA was shown to be very short fragments (100bp or less) single stranded DNA. To be broken down to such an extend and to able to reform back to the engineers' original chromosomal sequences is again 0%. Homo sapien is not the only hominid in evolutionary history nor are humans the only animal species in the world. This relation is a fixed genetic variability can be calculated and determined.

3. The human genome (3 Gigabase haploid) is a testament of evolution, about only 2% codes for proteins and another 2% are are transcriptional involved, while the rest of the genome is yet unknown but it's safe to say for a fully functional human, a much lesser genome size can exist (probably just 20% is needed). Which is also why human as the most successful species now, does not have the largest genome in the animal kingdom. Some "lower" level fish can even have a larger genome than human. Accumulation of large non-functional regions of the genome is a testament of the evolutionary, life span, breeding frequency... etc. Because of the presumed long life span of the Engineers, their genome has to be different than human's. Even though an Engineer looks like YaoMing their genome can be/has to be different, and due to convergent evolution (as there are many examples on earth) similar characteristics/structure can exist.

4. A Eukaryotic somatic cell division was shown, this is not the first lifeforms on earth .... an argument can be made as showing further down time progression though.

Therefore Ripley Scott and the Lost script writer (and another) are out of their league. If you bring in a concept make sure you have the current science to back it up. Science fiction of old cannot be utilised now. If you don't know anything SciFi it out of your imagination shows the person's stupidity (is the best way that I can put it). This in a way is reflective/testament of the effort put in by Joss Whedon by putting SciFi and real science hand in hand that blew everyone away in the box-office (except James Cameron, another director working/consulting with the scientific community)
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When i read this it reminds me of  Neil deGrasse 's Complaint on the wrong sky in Titanic.
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What noooo, cameron don't make mistakes vmad.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 17 2012, 09:44 AM)
actually a lot of us presumed the beginning sacrifice scene to be giving life to humanity.

ridley didn't imply it was earth (he did say it could be anywhere in the galaxy)

we don't know IF it was a sacrifice was for the creation of life, what we did see the giant engineer drank the goop, fell into the waterfall, he then appear to disintegrate, stands of the DNA appear to break up, and appear to become something else. what else? what IF it was other what we, many of us presumed (mankind)? 

while ridley/lindelof did say the engineers probably created up, in the movie, shaw showed us we share the same DNA, but for not the sacrifice itself did not lend to more then the young giant engineer 'died'.

Ridley did say the engineers travel thru space, somewhat like a gardener. still, it's open to interpretation.  cool2.gif
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well dat sparks the creation of life on earth mang....our first living organism....
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 17 2012, 09:00 AM)
“This movie has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that’s what the sequel to Prometheus would be.”
who is the 2nd child? I know the first one is Alien, as burst out from the maker. how about the 2nd one?
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The birth of Predator perhaps, hence the war between both species (AvP), while human is torn apart in the middle, hey, we're all cousins btw biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jun 16 2012, 03:12 PM)
Wait wait... so this is a movie that intentionally makes everything look badly written so as to somehow achieve whatever Ridley Scott / the writers intended to achieve (the whole God-creator thing)?
Wow. Seriously?  doh.gif  Is this a new era where "supposedly bad films" are actually good but ONLY IF you do your homework and a whole lot of reading? WTH... 
I can't accept this, perhaps others can. If a movie is not good then it probably is. When you leave the cinema, that's it. How you feel after leaving your seat is what the movie experience had on yourself. Simple.... and for me, it was not really that great.
I understand what you're saying about the satisfactory feeling when leaving the cinema ... however, I often believe that feeling corresponds to the expectation before entering the cinema. But let's say for casual movie-goers, who usually choose movies based on posters/movie stars and who want to enjoy the movie as standalone, without the need to consult external FAQs; I guess the feeling of being disappointed with Prometheus' scientifically 'stupid' with plenty of unanswered questions movie, is expected.

For me, I was wary of the mixed reviews before watching, so maybe that's why I could accept and shrugged off most of the minor complaints, but those 'bad writings' don't distract me from the bigger picture ... I was actually excited when the Engineer 'suited' up the Space Jockey gear; ya, the link to the 1st Alien film, however distant, is cool for me. And when I left the cinema, the movie got me thinking, made me read up more online and wanted to discuss more ... so, in that sense, it's a good movie for me; unlike some genuinely bad movies that made me wanna forget the whole thing.

A case in comparison; last weekend, I watched Synecdoche, New York (2008), the debut directorial film by the writer Charlie Kaufman who often used some scientific speculations in his screenplays. I thought based on his previous works, Being John Malkovich, Adaptation, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Human Nature, etc., I would be sufficiently entertained even though I might not get the whole film on 1st viewing. I watched without expectation, without even looking up the ratings/review score ... halfway thru the movie, I was totally confused and then sleep-watched thru the 2nd half. When the film ended, I was like WTF did I just watched? I went on imdb, expecting low if not mixed reviews ... it has 7.2/10 on imdb, and 67 metascore. So, I'm the one that don't get the film, I guess ... after reading the FAQs, I'm was humbled ... this is one of those films that required a lot of pre-requisite knowledge before watching in order to fully enjoy it. Is this the type of serious artistic movies that shouldn't be watched for pure entertainment? I'm not sure ... those who got it wrote reviews saying that it made them laugh...it is categorized as a drama & comedy. So, can it be considered an intellectual film and is the writing too clever for average audience? I guess so ... one user review said that half the cinema audience walked out half-way. And Roger Ebert considered "Synecdoche, New York" the best film of the decade ... (of course, we don't often agree with Mr. Ebert). So, without fully understanding, I could easily dismissed the film as a bad movie. What is a bad, a good or a great movie then? That I think, is what's interesting about films made not just for casual commercial entertainment ... it could be one man's meat or another man's poison, which reflects the diversity of human minds. When one starts to feel all films are boring, then one should analyze one's jaded life. We are all still learning ... no such thing as boring if our minds aren't.

Sorry, too much thinking aloud ...

QUOTE(rastablank @ Jun 18 2012, 09:51 AM)
The birth of Predator perhaps, hence the war between both species (AvP), while human is torn apart in the middle, hey, we're all cousins btw  biggrin.gif
As mentioned before, Ridley Scott and James Cameron don't consider the AvP 'prequels' canon. Anyway, AvP could be said are more to Predator series, the xenomorph aliens are just animals to be hunted.
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QUOTE(rastablank @ Jun 18 2012, 09:51 AM)
The birth of Predator perhaps, hence the war between both species (AvP), while human is torn apart in the middle, hey, we're all cousins btw  biggrin.gif
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Yes perhaps and I would agree with you on this. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
So, I've watched Prometheus not long ago and yes, this movie is a splendid prequel. Honestly, I have not watched any films from the ALIENS franchise except Alien VS Predator (?).

At first I didn't know it is a prequel to this franchise until I read an article about it. rclxms.gif
Looking forward to Prometheus 2! (Spoilers: So that thing at the end of the movie is the alien thingy? Woah!)
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 17 2012, 09:00 AM)
Details about Prometheus 2

http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/
Deleted scene and some behind the scene photos

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http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/56463/new...gineer-and-more
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Waaaaa... imagine we all came from that one person Engineer DNA... hahahahaha
means that unknown Engineer that eat the black stuff is the god???

Then what created the Engineer..... interesting... hmm.gif hmm.gif
Prometheus II

So now...
Unknown species do something > Engineers species
Engineers commit sacrificial > Human mankind species
Human mankind (Elizabeth Shaw + Charlie Holloway] + Unknown Engineer > Green Aliens species
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jun 18 2012, 05:26 PM)
Waaaaa... imagine we all came from that one person Engineer DNA... hahahahaha
means that unknown Engineer that eat the black stuff is the god???

Then what created the Engineer..... interesting...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
Prometheus II

So now...
Unknown species do something > Engineers species
Engineers commit sacrificial > Human mankind species
Human mankind (Elizabeth Shaw + Charlie Holloway] + Unknown Engineer > Green Aliens species
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Ok, this is confusing now. tongue.gif
I'll have to read the full plot once more since after watching this film, I still got confused somehow. rclxub.gif
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According to wkipedia this film's box office is now at $217.9 million
Is that good or bad?

I'm so afraid that they won't green-light the sequel sad.gif
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 19 2012, 08:19 PM)
According to wkipedia this film's box office is now at $217.9 million
Is that good or bad?

I'm so afraid that they won't green-light the sequel  sad.gif
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For a movie with a budget of $120-130 million, I guess it may have to surpass $240-250 million to greenlight a sequel.
Of course, DVD sales & merchandising could be deciding factor as well.
Hope we will see a sequel.

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http://collider.com/what-david-said-to-the...metheus/174637/

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What David Said to the Engineer in PROMETHEUS

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~ according to Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, who served as the Linguist Teacher on Prometheus.
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 21 2012, 07:26 AM)
http://collider.com/what-david-said-to-the...metheus/174637/
~ according to Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, who served as the Linguist Teacher on Prometheus.
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Then he should attack Peter Wyland 1st, instead of pulling David's head.
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QUOTE(Brian O'Connor @ Jun 21 2012, 09:30 AM)
Then he should attack Peter Wyland 1st, instead of pulling David's head.
Was David the nearest? I can't remember.
Or maybe it's a case of the messenger get shot first. biggrin.gif

Anyway, before this I thought David said something which made the Engineer realized that David is a creation of human being; which confirmed their intention to eradicate human race before we become more advanced than the creator. He will kill everyone, and the idea of David being a creation of their creation, made them angry ... jealous even, perhaps. Heheh ...
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http://collider.com/what-david-said-to-the...metheus/174637/
~ according to Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, who served as the Linguist Teacher on Prometheus.
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 19 2012, 06:19 PM)
According to wkipedia this film's box office is now at $217.9 million
Is that good or bad?

I'm so afraid that they won't green-light the sequel  sad.gif
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oh pls DON'T do a sequel, it'll be a waste of time and talent

this movie is on my official list of worst movies of 2012, the no. 1 worst movie is battleship
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oh pls DON'T do a sequel, it'll be a waste of time and talent

this movie is on my official list of worst movies of 2012, the no. 1 worst movie is battleship
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Can imagine ridley & gang returns with the sequel just to piss 'anti-prometheus' lads. cool2.gif
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lol
Can imagine ridley & gang returns with the sequel just to piss 'anti-prometheus' lads.  cool2.gif
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QUOTE(xy2610 @ Jun 19 2012, 11:13 PM)
For a movie with a budget of $120-130 million, I guess it may have to surpass $240-250 million to greenlight a sequel.
Of course, DVD sales & merchandising could be deciding factor as well.
Hope we will see a sequel.
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Ya i don't think it did enough for a sequel, DAMN ANTI PROMETHEUS FAGS! Even if they do a sequel sure their budget won't be much and this will lead to a crap sequel. I like the show bcs it was a really good sci fi movie i saw in a long time.
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Since I see this movie as a standalone, not related at all to any previous ones, I'd want to watch a sequel... there are still answers I'd like to know.
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Well, like or don't like, and like james cameron's Avatar. Myself and i guess like many was disappointed of 'that juggernaut', though their massive gross takings said otherwise rolleyes.gif )

And cameron will persist with likely another sequel to Avatar, heck he's planning a trilogy of it . with one on the works
Will i watch those? Likely not. It's a choice. I thought he did brilliantly with titanic, to others, his best was 'the abyss'.

I, myself will look fwd to the prometheus sequel (if it gets made) as i would wanna know what ridley's version to come out of the origins of the engineers, what originally happen at LV223, what the hell did words after david's..

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i'm the curious type, i'm pretty sure there are others (like us) too. I search, no i yearn for some enlightenment to those questions. so i guess Ridley & co deserves that recognition wink.gif

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watch it in IMAX 3D in SG few days ago
the 3D are really stunning & beautiful
Among the best 3D after Avatar

for the story, if you watch it as a big fan of Aliens, then you'll be disappointed
but if you watch it as a sci-fi fan, then you'll be rewarded tongue.gif

My friend commented it's a trash & boring movie after coming out, he even fall asleep during the show doh.gif as he's more into of a boom boom bang bang type of movies

as for me, I'm in between the sci-fi fan and alien fan, but I've enjoyed the whole session, even afraid to blink my eyes in case I'll miss some of the beautiful scenes
seriously, this is one of the mindfcuk movie thumbup.gif
so many question to ponder upon after you left the hall thumbup.gif

<Genesis 1:27>
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 22 2012, 11:25 AM)
seriously, this is one of the mindfcuk movie thumbup.gif
so many question to ponder upon after you left the hall thumbup.gif

<Genesis 1:27>
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
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Not all (apparently) tongue.gif

Well, like for some who will jizz over the little-mini top spinning type of ending, or any other simpler twist/plots; easier to comprehend type of movie and ending(s).

Prometheus however gives them headaches cool2.gif

Well, at times too, i do indulge in those mindless shoot-shoot, bang-bang (the bullets, laser kind for some of the curious mind wink.gif ), and those movies that you just leave logic aside, movies cool2.gif

So there is always something for everyone. tongue.gif cool2.gif

Stopped at twilight, didn't bother with the rest
Saw 'the hunger games' too, likely won't visit its sequels


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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 22 2012, 10:25 AM)
watch it in IMAX 3D in SG few days ago
the 3D are really stunning & beautiful
Among the best 3D after Avatar

for the story, if you watch it as a big fan of Aliens, then you'll be disappointed
but if you watch it as a sci-fi fan, then you'll be rewarded tongue.gif

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I'm a fan of the first Alien movie and I really like Prometheus. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 22 2012, 01:10 PM)
I'm a fan of the first Alien movie and I really like Prometheus.  thumbup.gif
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good for you

I guess those dislike it is due to the lack of suspense and shock of Alien/Aliens
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Aiya, stop it you two tongue.gif cool2.gif


leave those "i like it because...because it's"....."Will beat the crap off.....", "Will win thousand of awards....", "the bestest of the best",.."will win over movie X in gross takings...", "i dont care, this movie is the best, better then your one, admit it else i go tell my mother".....banter to those young fans la.

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No hard feeling tongue.gif biggrin.gif smile.gif

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It's opening week did about the same as rise of the apes and that movie gets a sequel. Really hope there is a sequel & they continue where the story ended bcs I felt it was anticlimax. Need to know what happens next & hope they start filming soon, release it by 2014...
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20 years ago I watch Alien II on my TV (video tape on VHS tape recorder/player)
I fall asleep than suddenly woke up by a strong thunder lightning......no raining but how come it got thunder lightning?
wahlou-eh, my VHS tape recorder/player got fried by the lightning and damaged. (It was connected to a roof top out door TV antenna)
It cost me RM2000 (20 years ago a top model HIFI VHS recorder/player cost RM2000).

Since after that I'm very scared of watching Alien movie.
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Does anyone noticed that most Alien movie portrait alien as a kind of very bad/evil creature.
Independence Day, Cowboys and aliens, Alien vs predator, Alien 1,2,3,4, Battleship, Prometheus....

(except movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "Avatar")

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... not forgetting District 9 (the aliens are just squatters, not really evil), E.T., Contact, the good Star Trek & Star Wars aliens, Autobots, the coming 'Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles', various other animated aliens, ... heheh.

Srsly tho, for discussion point, I guess the evil/bad aliens are normally those that want to expand their territory / get more resources / just plain nbtd evil; those good aliens are those pacifist types that adhere to Prime Directive e.g. Vulcans. i.e. they don't interfere with human race unless necessary, so that's why we don't often see them in our sci-fi films. biggrin.gif

Anyway, sorry to hear about your expensive VHS player/recorder. Those were the days ... even when VCD was cheap, I still prefer VHS coz the image quality (original ones lah, not those rented and re-recorded many times over).

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QUOTE(misakiatsuka @ Jun 23 2012, 03:40 AM)
20 years ago I watch Alien II on my TV (video tape on VHS tape recorder/player)
I fall asleep than suddenly woke up by a strong thunder lightning......no raining but how come it got  thunder lightning?
wahlou-eh, my VHS tape recorder/player got fried by the lightning and damaged. (It was connected to a roof top out door TV antenna)
It cost me RM2000 (20 years ago a top model HIFI VHS recorder/player cost RM2000).

Since after that I'm very scared of watching Alien movie.
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Does anyone noticed that most Alien movie portrait alien as a kind of very bad/evil creature.
Independence Day, Cowboys and aliens, Alien vs predator, Alien 1,2,3,4, Battleship, Prometheus....

(except movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "Avatar")
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LOL biggrin.gif your story is more mindfucuk than Prometheus.

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it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 24 2012, 12:14 AM)
it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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pretty much said it but some forumers here defended by saying they rewatch previous aliens movies (esp cameron's) and still maintain their conclusion. Sure there is no wham, bam, blazing monsters unlike aliens, but the pacing was fine by me.

I caught Prometheus again today @gsc paradigm mall. It was as how i remember it the first time, though upon watching the second time, i had more time looking at their facial expressions/clues around the screen (if any) in detail of david, shaw, vickers, weyland, janek etc.

It probably quite right to conclude that they (the engineer ship) indeed seem to bring WMD over to earth/or another system.

It's also fair to conclude that the 'engineer' probably realise 'david' wasn't human but a creation. The movie showed that one line david said (to engineer) and its probably irrelevant if the 'directors cut' include more (or not).

btw i'm a forty something old fart cool2.gif

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 23 2012, 11:14 PM)
it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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Alien never shouted the questions right into our faces, what it was it a minimalistic, intimate story about how a bunch of very normal, very average people got thrown into the very deep end so to speak, and what ensued. All the stuff about the space jockeys, androids, weyland-yutani, were secondary to the main objective- that it was a space horror thriller about a brilliantly conceived and realized alien terrorizing the crew onboard a spaceship millions of miles away from earth. The acting you see is one of the most naturalistic in cinema history. Each and every one of them could have easily been one of us normal people. The secondary plots supplemented the main story and created a sense of world larger than what was shown on screen. Yet it was never at the forefront, and thus the audience never had the 'itch' to really know every single detail. That was the beauty of it.

Prometheus, on the other hand, makes those things the very core and essence of the film.

P/S: As a kid, I kinda liked Alien but never really loved it. Aliens was where my heart was... probably true for any kid.

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 24 2012, 12:27 AM)
Alien never shouted the questions right into our faces, what it was it a minimalistic, intimate story about how a bunch of very normal, very average people got thrown into the very deep end so to speak, and what ensued. All the stuff about the space jockeys, androids, weyland-yutani, were secondary to the main objective- that it was a space horror thriller about a brilliantly conceived and realized alien terrorizing the crew onboard a spaceship millions of miles away from earth. The acting you see is one of the most naturalistic in cinema history. Each and every one of them could have easily been one of us normal people. The secondary plots supplemented the main story and created a sense of world larger than what was shown on screen. Yet it was never at the forefront, and thus the audience never had the 'itch' to really know every single detail. That was the beauty of it.

Prometheus, on the other hand, makes those things the very core and essence of the film.

P/S: As a kid, I kinda liked Alien but never really loved it. Aliens was where my heart was... probably true for any kid.
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as a kid of course we are blown away by AN ARMY of aliens and the kickass, machine gun / flame throwing acting of Weaver, but after so many years and so many different kinds of movie viewing, and going back to the original Alien movie, I came up with a shocking conclusion, the original one is still the best, 'Aliens' is just a huge rip of the first one, James Cameron does what he always does best (after he ran out of ideas after doing 'The Abyss'), ripping off ppl's ideas, magnify it 10 times, ADD MORE to everything with a huge budget, and sell the film to kids / teenagers. This is what he did with Titanic, and also Avatar. And this is why his films makes so much money, because the main audience of his films don't know how to really appreciate a great movie and they don't know how hard money comes (no offense to those who likes these movies and still knows how to appreciate great movies btw)
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I much prefer Alien to Aliens, but both are great. Aliens has dated in a bad way though, while Alien has aged very gracefully (like 2001: ASO). Still, I know people who prefer Aliens whilst also recognizing the brilliance of Alien. Matter of taste, in the end. And I have nothing against James Cameron. He's a master of modern action.

What I do think is not a matter of taste or subjectivity is that saying Alien had similar questions and closure problems as Prometheus. I would argue that it's an objective fact that the much raised problems of Prometheus do not plague Alien. In Alien we had complete closure to the main thread of the story- Ripley killed the alien and survived. That is something that can't be denied. All other questions- what is the space jockey, the origins of the alien, motives of the company, were secondary to the main thread and were never intended to be answered. The questions they raise were not direct, and only served to complement the main story and give the story more depth. Like
I said, it created a living, futuristic, large universe that existed beyond what was shown on the screen. It gave depth to the story.

Ask yourself this: in Prometheus, did you get any sense of closure? The movie failed to answer any of the main questions it raised, and the questions weren't jut philosophical in nature, they were very much plot-level, and very much the core of what the film was about. It did not come as any surprise to me when I read that Ridley already had a sequel in mind when making this. That much was obvious from watching it.

That said, I eagerly await the sequel. I just do not approve of this style of filmmaking.
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There is nothing spectacular about Prometheus.

In case it ever crossed your mind, let me straighten things out. I am not one who needs their CO2 statement rectified in order to enjoy this movie but the lack of good script, believable feeling as delivered in Alien (1979) and that “In-Space-No-One-Can-Hear-You-Scream” trapped like mood makes this movie, Prometheus, to be just another episode on Discovery Channel.

Nevertheless, considering that it might the 1st chapter of a possible sequel or a trilogy, I thought it was alright, in terms of introduction to what may follow but on its own, it was neither good nor bad.

What caught my attention in this movie is the level of anonymity and ambiguity presented. I thought it was adequately well done. Even in the opening scene, visuals of terrains, lakes, mountains, waterfalls and etc were shown but it was not mentioned that it is what you think it is. With exposure to similar sceneries, either through personal experience or National Geographic Channel, it is almost undeniable that it has to be it but is it really it?

The entire movie dwells on this level of anonymity and ambiguity, hence, the many sharing of interpretation to another, with another in many forums and discussion sites.

Nice work on that part.

However I looked at it, Prometheus is better than The Avengers and I hope their sequel, if it ever gets the green light, gets better.

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woah...this movie is definitely one of the best recently-made scifi movie i've seen.
Love the atmosphere, the visual, the details, & a couple of scenes.

I wish it had a more competent plot though. Seems like alot of the "bigger" mysteries was deliberately left unanswered as a sequel hook. doh.gif
Still, I hope they'll be a sequel.

Oh yeah, just realized that the guy that played Holloway is not Bane/Tom Hardy. shocking.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 24 2012, 08:24 PM)
I much prefer Alien to Aliens, but both are great. Aliens has dated in a bad way though, while Alien has aged very gracefully (like 2001: ASO). Still, I know people who prefer Aliens whilst also recognizing the brilliance of Alien. Matter of taste, in the end. And I have nothing against James Cameron. He's a master of modern action.

What I do think is not a matter of taste or subjectivity is that saying Alien had similar questions and closure problems as Prometheus. I would argue that it's an objective fact that the much raised problems of Prometheus do not plague Alien. In Alien we had complete closure to the main thread of the story- Ripley killed the alien and survived. That is something that can't be denied. All other questions- what is the space jockey, the origins of the alien, motives of the company, were secondary to the main thread and were never intended to be answered. The questions they raise were not direct, and only served to complement the main story and give the story more depth. Like
I said, it created a living, futuristic, large universe that existed beyond what was shown on the screen. It gave depth to the story.

Ask yourself this: in Prometheus, did you get any sense of closure? The movie failed to answer any of the main questions it raised, and the questions weren't jut philosophical in nature, they were very much plot-level, and very much the core of what the film was about. It did not come as any surprise to me when I read that Ridley already had a sequel in mind when making this. That much was obvious from watching it.

That said, I eagerly await the sequel. I just do not approve of this style of filmmaking.
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Ridley did say he planned this in two parts, i suppose the 'ambiguity' in this movie, or at least the larger part on certain things is pretty much 'intentional'.

They way is sparked discussions everywhere is a good sign & indication that ridley may very well have his way to produce/direct the sequel (or more). cool2.gif
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 24 2012, 07:24 PM)
I much prefer Alien to Aliens, but both are great. Aliens has dated in a bad way though, while Alien has aged very gracefully (like 2001: ASO). Still, I know people who prefer Aliens whilst also recognizing the brilliance of Alien. Matter of taste, in the end. And I have nothing against James Cameron. He's a master of modern action.
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Heheh, my opinion is contrary to yours. I re-watched the whole quadrilogy (director's cut, assembly cut, studio cut, whatever they called the extended version) recently after Prometheus; I chuckled at the chestbuster in Alien; I thought why was I horrified at the cute thingy when watched it as a kid ... now it looks like a p3n1s when bursting out ... the scuttering away without showing the feet doesn't help the illusion of horror .. more like a muppet show. biggrin.gif

On the other hand, the more 'mechanical' Aliens still look menacing; the fight between the powerloader n the queen still looks nice. Only maybe, the acting of the marines are weaker and over the top especially Bill Paxton's character.

Surprisingly, Alien3 (the Assembly Cut) isn't that bad on the re-watch ... the 1st half, that is. I thought the script/dialogues are word worthy, well-thought ... unlike the plain simple easier to digest words used on previous two; but I slept-watched during the 2nd half.
And Alien Resurrection; I remember I enjoyed it a lot in cinema last time ... now, I think it's ok only, tries to be funny but doesn't fit the movie. (But as Joss Wheldon explained, the French director has the final say over his screenplay).

However, like you said ... it's a matter of taste, which I guess changes over the time for almost everyone.
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The alien is supposed to look phallic! So yeah, Giger and Ridley got the job done if you thought it looked like a penis. biggrin.gif But I agree that the little fella scampering away was poorly done (I expect it was even back in 1979). Looked like he was fleeing on wheels. Overall though the aesthetics of Alien have survived the test of time much better than Aliens. The production design and sets still look magnificent, with a glorious well-worn look befitting a futuristic mining spaceship. The facehugger on Kane looks so realistic, stuff of nightmares. The facehuggers you see in Aliens were a far cry from the horror you saw mating with Kane's face.

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I don't think the acting in Aliens is weaker though, just different. They were written that way- over-the-top, bad-ass, spewing quotable one-liners.

I like Alien3, but it has way too many problems to be considered anywhere near great. The alien effects are abominable. (although that shot of the alien close to Ripley's face is probably the best shot of the xenoimorph in the entire series)

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urggghh..i hate Alien 3 with passion.
almost got turn off to the whole series bcoz if it.
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urggghh..i hate Alien 3 with passion.
almost got turn off to the whole series bcoz if it.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 25 2012, 07:03 PM)
The alien is supposed to look phallic! So yeah, Giger and Ridley got the job done if you thought it looked like a penis. biggrin.gif But I agree that the little fella scampering away was poorly done (I expect it was even back in 1979). Looked like he was fleeing on wheels. Overall though the aesthetics of Alien have survived the test of time much better than Aliens. The production design and sets still look magnificent, with a glorious well-worn look befitting a futuristic mining spaceship. The facehugger on Kane looks so realistic, stuff of nightmares. The facehuggers you see in Aliens were a far cry from the horror you saw mating with Kane's face.
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I don't think the acting in Aliens is weaker though, just different. They were written that way- over-the-top, bad-ass, spewing quotable one-liners.
I like Alien3, but it has way too many problems to be considered anywhere near great. The alien effects are abominable. (although that shot of the alien close to Ripley's face is probably the best shot of the xenoimorph in the entire series)
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Haha, nice reply.
Yeah, read about that H.R. Giger had to tone down the sexual overtone in his design for Alien (which later he didn't have to in the Species movie). I guess those are among the main ingredients in a horror movie; sex and gore.
Queen mother in Aliens wasn't really Giger's design, was it?
Alien3 producers didn't want to credit Giger, but he sued them. Ya, was quite weak in the 3rd due to the use of CGI in most non close-up scenes, which wasn't really realistic yet ... maybe for that time, but quite jarring to see it now. The Assemble Cut didn't show the chestbuster ending scene tho.

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That dome we saw in Prometheus is actually based on an unused Giger art for Dune.

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Pretty good "walkthrough", I had totally forgot about some of the stuff he mentioned, like that sticky gooey thing @3:55.

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Pretty good "walkthrough", I had totally forgot about some of the stuff he mentioned, like that sticky gooey thing @3:55.
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serious most important question of all: why does one of the world's richest corporations hire a bunch of idiots to find the most important discovery of mankind?

answer: this is the stupidest movie of all time
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serious most important question of all: why does one of the world's richest corporations hire a bunch of idiots to find the most important discovery of mankind?
answer: this is the stupidest movie of all time
Already kinda answered a while back.
From imdb board.
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Already kinda answered a while back.
From imdb board.
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errr.....source and answer?
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hahaha....
to some people it's stupid...and to others it's brilliant...
just watch it today...
and i would say it's a good film...not great tongue.gif
maybe because there's already too much prequel film being make...
and as a "alien" fan myself...my expectation is quite high
but it does answer some question in about ridley alien film

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i like how ridley still maintain some originality between alien and promethues
for example..the costume still in some "grunge/rock" style or casual type of cloth
just like we can see in all film in 80's and early 90's... laugh.gif
and the interior design of the ship also is not much different between the original alien thumbup.gif
unlike some other sciene fic movie...the original is not so high tech...
BUT when it come to the prequal...seems the tech become more advance sweat.gif
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33 years ago bro (ridley's alien), 33 years is a long time. biggrin.gif

but even then the 'prometheus' ship's interior isn't overly superior in looks over the first one. there are echo's of design (technology) but it's....as envisioned by the production to be year 2093. (I also like how the prequel of star trek's enterprise was done on their part )

it is fun debating, discussing the outlook/key ingredients of the film. We know it not always films could reach & satisfy everyone, as the saying goes, one man's meat is another man's poison.

myself i would hope to land my hands on the graphic books of prometheus (the ship) & the renderings of the movie. kinda strikes imaginations of what the future world could be. cool2.gif


correction, it appears it was Lindelof who suggested to led prometheus into 2 parts as was Ridley Scott was adamant that he avoid repeating previous accomplishments (aliens and the subsequent films), thus they found an avenue for 20th Century Fox to pursue further or a new subsequent/entirely new saga.

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i suppose he's keeping to what he (lindelof) is known for cool2.gif

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Lindelof explained:
Blade Runner might not have done well [financially] when it first came out, but people are still talking about it because it was infused with all these big ideas. [Scott] was also talking about very big themes in Prometheus. It was being driven by people who wanted the answers to huge questions. But I thought that we could do that without ever getting too pretentious. Nobody wants to see a movie where people are floating in space talking about the meaning of life ... That was already present in [Spaihts'] original script and [Scott] just wanted to bring it up more.



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In North America, audience tracking showed high interest among males of all ages, but low interest among females


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The nostromo was just a mining ship. Prometheus is Weyland's flagship.
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errr.....source and answer?
I'm repeating myself, but will take this chance to add a bit ...

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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...20&p=52249035&#

One aspect/'weakness' of the film I'm glad that have been discussed elsewhere:-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200425162?p=1


Is it possible that the crew were intended to be stupid and incompetent?

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When I came out of the theater for "Prometheus" I was disappointed for a lot of the same reasons that many have already pointed out, mostly involving the whole crew (minus perhaps David) behaving like complete morons (i.e. waltzing into an alien spaceship blind with no weapons; taking off their helmets in a foreign atmosphere; taking potentially dangerous and contagious alien heads and goo back onto the ship; lost crew trying to pet alien penis snakes; Having the crew mostly consist of hired hand who are only there for the money and are not inormed what the mission is until they get there; etc.) Shaw and Holloway (and Weyland) seem to have this incredibly naive idea that they're just going to go meet their alien creators and be friends and there won't be any complications. The mission is very poorly planned and is being conducted by incompetent morons.

At first I thought that all the above problems were just really bad writing and characterization. But now that I think about it more, I'm wondering if it was Scott's intent for the crew to be such naive morons? I do think there are some indicators in the film that could support this theory.

1. The mission is not an official scientific mission conducted by reputable people, but a privately funded crusade to "get answers" and perhaps find the fountain of youth by the extremely wealthy and dying Peter Weyland.
2. Peter Weyland is clearly very fond of his cybernetic robot David, which means that David probably had a hand in planning the mission with Weyland.
3. David actually hates his father and the human race and secretly wants to sabotage the mission. What better way to sabotage the mission than to influence Weyland to hire a bunch of incompetent morons and then destroy the mission from within when you get there (which David does by infecting Holloway and by saying something to the Engineer to make it angry and turn it against the humans).

What are people's thoughts on this theory?

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by tombo677  (Wed Jun 13 2012 17:21:37)
While I think it's probably just a case of poor storytelling choices, I've also asked myself "what kind of scientists would go on a top secret, 2 year trip across space with no info, no oversight and only the promise of loads of cash when they returned?"

Weyland probably went to all the top scientists and they all looked at him like he had loads of prosthetic makeup on.

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I agree. I don't think many reputable scientists would agree to sign up for something as shady as a multiple year long mission funded by a mysterious corporation without even being told what the mission is up front. You'd have to be either desperate or stupid or both to sign up for that.

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by bwgood77  (Wed Jun 13 2012 17:27:30)
Of course. That's the point. Nobody really liked the fact that they were there. Most were only doing it for the money. Most highly competent people wouldn't leave the earth for 4 years. They demonstrated this early in the film.

Also with the pilot not caring...they showed in multiple ways how he didn't care (whether it was the pile of bodies those guys found, the sign of life in the area, wanting to get laid rather than watch out for them.) Even Shaw at the end of the film asks him "What DO you care about? There has to be something!?!"

Weyland was overcocky. Vickers even said she hadn't met everyone there before the trip. She wasn't taking it seriously and probably just hired whoever. She wanted them to be wrong and come back home. She probably purposely hired incompetent people (outside of the pilot.)

It's part of the underlying tone of the film....Weyland felt he could do anything, and he went about it the wrong way....trusting the wrong people.

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I agree. It also makes me think about when I used to work in restaurants. Most people try to get a job at a good restaurant that's been around for a long time because the steady flow of repeat customers makes your income consistent. But if you can't get a job at such a place (because the turnover is low), most try getting a job at the newest restaurants since they'll be busy at least until its reputation (good or bad) is built.

I used to think that when a restaurant opens up a new location, they would send their best people there to help open it up and train others. Over time, I found out this always isn't the case. Some people that want to move to a new city do so because they're carrying baggage and want to leave things behind. They have problems such as drug addiction, gambling problems, self-identity issues, and of course, alcoholism. Part of the motivation for the trip away is to get their life onto a different and hopefully better track.

I pretty much felt that this is the kind of people that made up the Prometheus' crew. There's the smoking in the suit (drugs), Holloway's drinking (alcoholism), Vickers' daddy issues (self-identity issues) and the co-pilots betting (gambling). These are all the same issues and problems I used to see back when working in the restaurant biz with people who took the chance to leave wherever they were from.

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by fliphop   1 day ago (Wed Jun 13 2012 17:28:36)
peterw5: i admire that you were able to change your own perspective over time. i myself 'stick to my guns' too often and overlook things i may have missed.

and i do completely buy your theory number 1. if you look at the history of scientific exploration, from the Europeans coming to the Americas, to the first explorations of space, there is behavior found that would be considered, from an outside perspective, 'stupid' or 'reckless'. the spanish conquistadors in particular were searching for 'fountains of eternal youth', or gold, or mythical cities, and were frequently accompanied by ignorant and foolish crews who died in spades. but it is hard to get 'normal' people to risk their lives sailing across an unknown space for years on end without paying them a huge amount of money.

and even the smartest people can make mistakes --- mistakes of logic and reason at times. some of the science-motivated antarctic expeditions in the 20th century for example (ponies vs dogs for example).

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I don't think you could apply current economic employment conditions to a period 80 years into the future. We've no idea what the demand is for highly skilled workers at that time, what the wages are, quality of life etc.

The question is, if someone offered you 300k a year to spend at least 4 years of your life asleep on a spaceship(another 2 for the return) with no information on what you'd be doing or where you'd be going, would you jump at the chance? I mean if you already have a well paid job on earth, why would you take such a huge risk and give up such a large portion of your life with family and friends for something that could turn out to be an elaborate plan to steal your kidneys for all you know.

As far as I'm concerned it may not be that easy to fill such a position. You'd end up requiring the type of person that would gladly put money ahead of everything, including knowledge of what they were risking. In other words the scientific equivalent of a mercenary. Which from what I could see is what they got.

I'd also add that just because a person is intelligent does not mean they were gifted with an over abundance of common sense. There are many different types of clever people. Add to that that people often act very strangely when terrified and under serious stress.


So, while the discussions / theories put forth in that imdb forum seems apologetic and defensive of one among Prometheus' weaknesses, they do seem logical and acceptable to me; my then complaining mind has been put at ease and has since then moved on to other aspects / unanswered questions / analysis of the movie.

Ya, I guess based on common sense, most of what the 'expert' crews were doing seem stupid and incompetent; but like what quoted above, some were too eager, some didn't really care, some were in it just for money, some were just following orders, etc.

The mission was a privately funded one; while Weyland had the money, maybe he couldn't afford to spend more time searching for better scientists to come along; he was dying. So, in the two relatively short years (when the dates of the cave discovery and the arrival of Prometheus were shown, I was thinking why the hurry, don't they want to take time to plan carefully the mission?), Weyland got more mercenaries on board instead of NASA-like approved scientists. Hence, the bunch of idiots.

As for the most important discovery of mankind; similar to the plots of Contact (1997), for all we know, Shaw & Co. might've gone to the government but got rejected, no agency could justify the cost of the expedition just to satisfy the curiosity of an 'invitation', without further long-term study. But Weyland got the means to sponsor, plus his own personal agenda to rush it, and of course, most probably there was non-disclosure agreements; whatever Shaw had further analyzed since, remained as company property and not to be shared with the public (Shaw wouldn't have minded, she was blinded by her faith & eagerness, and Holloway was weak) ... so, it's more like the most secret not-so-urgent important discovery for mankind.
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yeah, i pretty much deduced that early on.

having listening to what both fifield and millburn's conversations early on in the film and of which did say he was there for the money (seems more of a mercenary then one who would be a true believer in science/archaeology) and vickers assessment of the 'crew'


and even in the casting credits of prometheus, the others were also labelled as 'Mercenary 1, 2, 3..' and so on (not "scientist" btw)



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and even the smartest people can make mistakes --- mistakes of logic and reason at times. some of the science-motivated antarctic expeditions in the 20th century for example (ponies vs dogs for example).

yup it's not made up but true fact.

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yeah, i pretty much deduced that early on.
having listening to what both fifield and millburn's conversations early on in the film and of which did say he was there for the money (seems more of a mercenary then one who would be a true believer in science/archaeology) and vickers assessment of the 'crew'
and even in the casting credits of prometheus, the others were also labelled as 'Mercenary 1, 2, 3..' and so on (not "scientist" btw)
yup it's not made up but true fact.
Good for you that you caught it early during the film, then could concentrate on other parts ... others weren't paying attention then. rolleyes.gif
Fifield's line about money, ... I forgot about that ... maybe wasn't paying attention also sweat.gif, too busy trying to figure out where have I seen this actor before? Oh ... The Borgias.
Credits with mercenary# as character names ... ya kah? That confirms it then. Too bad the cinema I watched in stopped the projection after the Proto-xenomorph scene.
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Caught that on my first viewing,

(Well, on the less important 'extras' where they have no screen names)

To so much as to add (my take) "why couldn't weyland hire the best of the bestest scientist? (given the fact [possibly] that this is to meet our maker)

1) it's weyland industries (not NASA, or USA if they had survive till year 2093), the criteria/scenarios could be as the links r2t2 provided.

2) Is there a proper way on how some people conduct themselves? Even on facebook, we are now open to a window to our other people around the world. Honestly, I find them as human too cool2.gif

3)in the debriefing on Prometheus(vickers at the helm), nobody seem to know 'everybody' (hence secretive) yet, personally handpicked by vickers (weyland industries) and only after then was their mission (half agenda) revealed.
One can view that maybe vickers didn't want the 'adventure, to go to where no one has gone before' to as successful as how her 'king' wishes for. The only "true" believers it seems was shaw and holloway.

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