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Movies The ALIEN Movies Thread, Prometheus 2: PARADISE LOST (2017)
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hfi
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Dec 27 2011, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Dec 23 2011, 11:32 PM) The film ends where Alien begins so I think we can stop debating the end already since Scott told us that much. But dayum, this looks sick but I cannot be the only one who got the Dead Space vibe from the trailer, can I? I am sold. You're not the only one. The original Alien was well crafted by Ridley and it was so way ahead of its time that many good sci horror tried to re-emulate. Event Horizon, Dead Space to name a few. I really like the trailer a lot, i get the the original Alien vibe from watching it and that could only be a good thing. This post has been edited by hfi: Dec 27 2011, 06:07 PM
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hfi
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Apr 19 2012, 03:10 AM
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Wow that David 8 clip is simply stunning. The lighting, the music and the line delivery works so well together. And the retro elements makes it all more nostalgic. It's beautiful yet disturbing to see him cry like that out of the blue. Good follow up to the Guy Pearce Ted clip where he said in just few years his company would be able to produce a human-like android. Amazing stuff.
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hfi
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Apr 20 2012, 01:29 PM
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Yes its taking place in the Alien world. Other than that, im not too sure tho. I've only seen the viral promos and the original trailer as to avoid spoilers.
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hfi
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Jun 8 2012, 12:00 AM
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Just came back watching this tonight. The film is visually stunning but it kinda falls short with everything else. The tension was there but something really felt off. I'm not sure if it's the luminous setting that overwhelms the mood or the contrived story. It's not a bad film by any means but i was expecting much much more. I left the cinema with more questions than answers, i'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1) So who exactly are Space Jockeys ? It's never fully explained what these things are and their true nature. We have bunch of characters making their own 'assumptions' under duress and then we have this android that seem to have its own agenda filling in the blanks. And what exactly did David say to that Engineer that it tore his head off and pummeled everyone else ? Really wish it was explained more thoroughly.
2) What exactly is the black goo ? How come it seem to kill some people but possess others ?
3) Is Vick an android too ? I mean surely there must be more to Theron's character than just a convenient suit on the deck. It be nice if she was but then again to what purpose ?
4) Unlike the original Alien, the characters aren't just miner contractors, these are 'powerful' individuals - scientists, tech mogul etc .. the pride of the human race so to speak yet they seem utterly incompetent. You don't try to pat a cobra on earth so why would you pat one in space ? Geologists getting lost in caves when they are equipped with advanced communication devices. People going off shagging when they are on verge of discovering new knowledge and power. It seem the only person who was 'working' at that time was the android.
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hfi
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Jun 8 2012, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 8 2012, 12:01 AM) Well I don't mind watching this movie a second time round. I don't feel bored throughout the movie. Perhaps on my second viewing, I'll spend more time digesting each scene and filling in the gaps left by the editors. I honestly think two hours is never enough to tell the whole story in this one, or perhaps they'll include an hour long of extra footage in the bluray edition. Thats a smart way of keeping the franchise alive ain't it? I gotta agree with some of you guys, though. The cuddles scene is my most memorable scene in the movie. One question though » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « in the first Alien, the space jockey was found seated on the pilot's chair with a cavity in its chest. It just doesn't sync with Prometheus where it died in the escape pod instead. Or is it a different spaceship in Alien? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Is Prometheus really a prequel or a canon ? It can't be the same ship that was in Alien. As you pointed out, the engineer of that ship died in its pilot seat where as the one in Prometheus died in the shuttle.
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hfi
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Jun 8 2012, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 8 2012, 01:30 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Ahh so it is a different planet and ship after all. Come to think of it, the mining ship was only diverted to planet 426 after they intercepted a distress beacon. I have another question, do you think that base on the planet 223 is a military installation as said by that ship captain ? If it is one, why would they leave a road map of it on earth ? Seems like severe tactical flaw to me.
Now i'm probably just over thinking things but that scene where David watched the hologram of the Engineers in the navigation room - there were four of them, it almost seem like it's suppose to symbolize the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. When the time is right, they will descend on earth and wipe everything out with their bio weapon of mass destruction.
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hfi
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Jun 8 2012, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 8 2012, 02:58 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « If I had to guess, I think the 'Engineers' have visited Earth more than once throughout the human history. Perhaps to observe and to teach civilization. To me, that's the best logic to explain why many extinct civilizations came to learn about the stellar map. We can only speculate to why the 'Engineers' then decide to annihilate Earth's population using the black goo, because the characters only came to that theory without any support from the 'Engineers' themselves. It doesn't necessarily be a weapon in fact as what we seen in the beginning of the movie. But if the annihilation theory is true, then its perhaps due to the human overpopulation, war and destruction of nature and Earth, that they choose to wipe the Earth clean and start all over again. (cue the Matrix - Architect agenda). Your opinion over the symbolization of the four horsemen is probably a bit far fetched, but I can see where you get the relation from. Still, its probably a bit too heavy for the general viewers to comprehend.  » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Yeah i do think it's a bit far fetched in regards to the horsemen .. was just my active imagination of trying to piece everything together because as you said if the engineer did come to earth to observe and teach, then maybe they too were the source of our religious aspirations. It really was anti climax that the characters didn't get to properly communicate with the engineer.
Anyways, back to the military outpost, i really do wish it wasn't so ambiguous. I think you may have a point about the black goo that it may not naturally be a weapon - kinda like virus - on its own it may not be that harmful but if weaponized it can be deadly. So perhaps it was just some research/storage facility that keeps those black goo. That still doesn't explain why they felt it was a good idea to leave behind a road map that points to its direction. It's just seem so bizarre.
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hfi
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Jun 8 2012, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(guilt79 @ Jun 8 2012, 08:51 PM) Watched this afternoon. Awesome movie. This really ignite the Alien franchise again. AVP almost killed the Alien franchise actually.. But is it really an Alien franchise ? Hopefully it will pave way for an entirely new franchise - one that explore the origin of the Engineer rather than the xenomorphs. My only concern is that Ridley or whoever takes over after this, doesn't catch the Lucasitis and drop the ball like Star Wars did. That was utter fail.
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hfi
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Jun 9 2012, 12:59 PM
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I think it's clear that its not a tradition prequel in the sense that it doesn't directly connect to the Alien franchise i.e. different planets, space jockeys, ships etc. But i can't be bothered digging up every interviews and production notes, so my question is ..
Is it really a canon taking place in an entirely alternate universe or is it still taking place in the same constant universe as the Alien franchise ?
The film itself could still easily fit into the Alien universe and timeline, but at the same it could also be a canon. So which is it ?
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hfi
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Jun 9 2012, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 9 2012, 04:05 PM) Haha that's madness! and quite brilliant i might add. The religion angle was something i thought about as well but he connected the lines a whole lot better than i did. Very good indeed!
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hfi
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Jun 9 2012, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2012, 09:57 PM) not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means. I meant to say non-canon  .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?
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