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post Nov 6 2010, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Nov 6 2010, 06:09 AM)
Sorry if I'm posting to the wrong thread

I've just re-watched Alien in HD, the remaster is VERY respectable.

Something I never notice before and is bugging me...

Why the HECK does the Ian Holmes character need to go into stasis with the rest of the crew??

Unless to preserve his "identity"....

Hmmmmmm?????
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well, i'm not sure if i recall this correctly (i used to have the alien/aliens handbook in the 90s), it states that the androids would need to go into stasis to preserve energy and bodily functions.
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post Nov 7 2010, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Nov 6 2010, 02:41 PM)
To preserve his (its) identity would be the most logical answer. I dont need another explanation.

Also, I'm probably among the minority but I think Weaver doesn't look bad at all in Alien. She got manlier in the sequels.
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well, it would. but that wont explain why bishop still needs to go into stasis in aliens. they had no need to hide its identity as everyone knew that it's coming along. except for ripley.
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post Dec 16 2011, 12:41 AM

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if this doesnt end with a mindf*ck twist, i'm gonna burn ridley scott.
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jun 9 2012, 03:06 AM)
In certain ways, there are similarities, but in truth it isn't. At the beginning, it was meant to be a prequel but Ridley wanted it to veer away from the Alien series and make changes to certain things. That is why the design or the facehuggers were much more bigger (octopus like, if you ask me with tentacles compared to the original, which was fingers), the acid blood didn't played too much of it and some changes in the Alien design when it burst out from the chest of the Engineer.

Need to remind others - in Alien, the dead "Engineer" (or Space Jockey) was seated in the navigation room with its chest bust outwards but in Prometheus, it was in the other lifeboat instead.

Let's look at it this way - happen in the same universe but if it goes in a different direction. Much like the upcoming "Spider-Man" series - happen in a different way in "The Amazing Spider-Man" and not in "Spider-Man" series but in the same universe too. Is "Prometheus" a reboot of the Alien series? Who knows... could be but Ridley is not telling, maybe he felt like doing "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" for that matter and steering it away from "Planet of the Apes" series but also happen in the same universe. Multiple connection, but in a different way but does not mean it serves as a "prequel"

But in the end - it boils down to what this movie based on, which was at the end credits that shown "based on the elements...". Even when I saw "Based on the alien elements of H.R. Giger" I was surprised by it, in other words... it was never served as a prequel but just based upon certain elements of the original Alien series, and nothing to do with it...
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i think it has been explained that they're not even on the same planet. prometheus is set on LV-223, a satellite (moon) to a larger planet. alien and aliens were set in LV-426, a different planet. what this film established is that, the space jockey is an star faring race dating millions (if not billions) of years.

the space jockeys may have developed the xenomorphs as a self-evolving bio weapon that could adapt itself to kill/destroy/annihilate any biological lifeform. after acquiring sufficient genetic material, the xenomorphs evolves to become into a more lethal form within a single generation. this is evident in aliens resurrection, where it absorbed a lot of ripley's DNA and evolved into a very humanoid form (with facial features, 5 digits instead of 6, a womb and so on) within a single generation. the same happened in aliens vs predator (ending sequence).

the only thing that doesnt click in aliens vs predator is that, if the evolution took place late 21st century, then how did the alien queen get in the antartics in the early 21st century? this is why most alien fans agree that aliens vs predator is not canon. but prometheus surely is.


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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jun 9 2012, 02:31 AM)
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It's NOT a PREQUEL!

Geez... nobody really stayed on towards the end CREDITS!!!

Already mention that this movie is "based on the elements of Dan O' Bannon and Ronald Shushett"!!!

Even Ridley himself said its not entirely based on the Prequel and veering away from the original Alien series!
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when he said it wasnt a prequel, he meant prequel to the alien series. but it's still set in the same universe. more like a spinoff.

something like 'x-men origins: wolverine' is not a prequel to the x-men trilogy, but it's still set in the same universe.

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 04:59 AM)
I think it's clear that its not a tradition prequel in the sense that it doesn't directly connect to the Alien franchise i.e. different planets, space jockeys, ships etc. But i can't be bothered digging up every interviews and production notes, so my question is ..

Is it really a canon taking place in an entirely alternate universe or is it still taking place in the same constant universe as the Alien franchise ?

The film itself could still easily fit into the Alien universe and timeline, but at the same it could also be a canon. So which is it ?
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not sure if u and i have the same understanding of what "canon" means.

QUOTE(Enilyks34 @ Jun 9 2012, 06:58 AM)
Question: Why did David deliberately mixed Holloway's drink with that black      liquid? Was it Weyland's orders to test the effects of the liquid on human life form?

Question: Why the whole idea of create mankind and then destroying them?
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2nd question:

the film proposes several possibilities, but chose not to answer anything. just like in alien (the 1st film), there are numerous questions that linger around. who or what is the space jockey? where did the xenomorph come from? the hints to those questions only surfaced 40 years later in prometheus. even so, it didnt give any clear definition.

maybe we need to wait another 40 years...
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 9 2012, 02:27 PM)
I meant to say non-canon biggrin.gif .. but just to be sure, canon means official yea ? as in authentic and consistent to the original universe ?
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yup. exactly.
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 10 2012, 12:33 PM)
I remember watching MI:IV 2D at TGV IMAX though, and the picture clarity wasn't up to par. Prometheus 3D was crystal though. Perhaps they don't properly align the two projectors for 2D movies.
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i'm pretty sure to show it on 2D they just switch off the other projector.
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QUOTE(domcobb @ Jun 10 2012, 03:51 PM)
I remember watching [Alien] with dad when I was 8 or 9 or 10 and that 1st chestbuster scene was so indescribable then, that my jaw dropped and I was literally frozen for seconds. I was still in that state even after the little Xenomorph ran away! Dad chuckled and I’m guessing it’s because of my reaction and he asked if I’m alright.

I miss those moments.
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when i bought the quadrilogy boxed set, i found out that the blond girl in that scene didnt even know it's gonna burst out. she totally freaked out and the reaction we saw was real. that's ridley lol.

anyways, i'm wondering if the version released in malaysia is the full version with the international ones? did they cut anything out? i noticed the F word only once. i know there's no nudity, but what about the gore/horror thingy? it's rated PG13 here, but R-rated everywhere else...
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jun 10 2012, 05:22 PM)
Got a few unanswered question...
1) Is there a dotted connection between prometheus and Alien movie?
The only dot I can see is that the alien creature is through a combination of a stuff that David drop in the drink, and the guy make xxx with the gal, and the gal remove the octopus, and octopus make xxx with the engineer, and alien is born  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

2) Why does the engineer want to destroy earth?

3) What is the cylinder stuff? The one David took to the ship

4) For the 2 guy that was trap in the pyramid. They were kill by a worm type creature. Is it the worm mix with the special type of liquid and evolved as a gigantic worm creature?

5) What kill the engineers in the pyramid?

Anybody got any idea???
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yup. it's clearly targeted for mature audiences. and in ripley's book, it doesnt refer to age maturity.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 13 2012, 02:33 AM)
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in a way, i love how ridley interspersed his science mythology with religion.

but i'm disappointed that i had to learn it OUTSIDE of the film itself. it would make a great twist if it were put in the sequel.
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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Jun 13 2012, 04:27 PM)
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it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jun 28 2012, 12:13 PM)
now there's a problem, the original Alien trucker crew were meant to be 'meats' but the characters were so well made and convincing that we actually cared about what happens to them, they were 'truckers' and were NOT meant to be intelligent, and we all knew they are going to die.  In this movie, these 'doctors' even if they are mercs, they are freaking DOCTORS for fxcks sake....if our future's doctors are like them (stupid fxckers) then it's worst than having a meteor crashing down to earth killing everybody.  plus in this movie we don't really care what happens to ALL of the characters, even with the main ones.  This can all be blamed for whoever wrote the script and story (even a 10 year old can do better).  The directing however is very very good, as well as the camera work.  This is one of those movies that combined the very best and very worst of movie making.  It's one of the most beautifully made movie this year yet it's the worst on everything.
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but that's the brilliant part!

in other films, we rely on the smart doctors/scientists to explain things as we go along. take ANY of emerich's disaster films. there's always a brilliant scientist that survives till the end. and u KNOW that he/she'll survive at least until after they delivered the 'revelation speech'.

but not here. those whom u would expect to explain the story got killed earlier on. and then we're left with people who are only able to produce conflicting assumptions at best. i thought this was subtly written, but when u look at it, it seems deliberate!
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jun 28 2012, 05:58 PM)
LOL, i totally get your joke.....

the problem with the 'running away from giant horse shoe spaceship' is when u analyze that moment on a first person point of view, you will know why she don't run in a zig zag kinda way to avoid getting crushed.  Because that spaceship is so huge, u can't really see where it's going when u r running away from it, adrenaline pumping furiously, flames and debris are falling everywhere, u will understand why she got crushed, it's not because she is stupid, it just means that she is HUMAN (if she's a droid then she won't be killed)
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that's the sad part, finding out that she is indeed a human, and with poor survival skills.

i sorta wished she's a droid. i mean why would weyland create a MALE droid? and later, he would design a droid in his image (bishop). man, this guy have serious god-complex issues.
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jul 3 2012, 05:42 AM)
Good read from all you guys. Really enjoyed your thoughts on this movie despite its almost running out of shows in the cinemas. I do agree on the anticipation of death part. Where in the old films, you hold on to your seats knowing the next victim is going to die. These days, its just "just die and get on with it lah". Yes, I never knew Ripley was going to be the hero in Alien. The outcome of that was totally what blew my mind. I just fall for movies where you have the unexpected character became the hero.
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when i first saw alien (VHS), i never knew who survived coz my dad always stopped the movie when it gets to the ripley stripping off. it took me a while to eventually managed to see the ending, and by the time i got to it, i went "laaa itu aje?" lol.

yeah, it totally screwed the whole effect to me tongue.gif.

 

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