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BeastX
post Jun 15 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 15 2012, 11:12 AM)
1. I still haven't read enough to conclude, was the act intentional? There are mentions of rebel Engineers..and unfilmed scene that an elder Engineer offered the younger Engineer the black goo. Is the one in the opening act a rebel? Then the other Engineers tried to destroy the resulting earthlings coz that wasn't in their plan? Anyway, was it mentioned how long since the mixing of the DNAs with H2O that human beings appeared? For all we know, it's just the beginning of evolution, with the external DNA a trigger ingredient in the primodial soup, and took billions of years (but then, how come the Engineers race didn't improve along much? heheh, more questions ... )

I guess that part was properly scientifically consulted ...  smile.gif
Well the biological aspect was definitely not being scientifically consulted...

Any biologist with the most basic credentials will point out the serious errors as presented in the movie.

1. Free flowing DNA in raging water. DNA alone does not produce life and being dispersed at such a large volume of water will bring the probability of proteins and random DNA coming together to 0%. For life to start you need shallow concentrated pools with random chemicals forming amino acids, lipids and probable nucleic acids.

2. The DNA was shown to be very short fragments (100bp or less) single stranded DNA. To be broken down to such an extend and to able to reform back to the engineers' original chromosomal sequences is again 0%. Homo sapien is not the only hominid in evolutionary history nor are humans the only animal species in the world. This relation is a fixed genetic variability can be calculated and determined.

3. The human genome (3 Gigabase haploid) is a testament of evolution, about only 2% codes for proteins and another 2% are are transcriptional involved, while the rest of the genome is yet unknown but it's safe to say for a fully functional human, a much lesser genome size can exist (probably just 20% is needed). Which is also why human as the most successful species now, does not have the largest genome in the animal kingdom. Some "lower" level fish can even have a larger genome than human. Accumulation of large non-functional regions of the genome is a testament of the evolutionary, life span, breeding frequency... etc. Because of the presumed long life span of the Engineers, their genome has to be different than human's. Even though an Engineer looks like YaoMing their genome can be/has to be different, and due to convergent evolution (as there are many examples on earth) similar characteristics/structure can exist.

4. A Eukaryotic somatic cell division was shown, this is not the first lifeforms on earth .... an argument can be made as showing further down time progression though.

Therefore Ripley Scott and the Lost script writer (and another) are out of their league. If you bring in a concept make sure you have the current science to back it up. Science fiction of old cannot be utilised now. If you don't know anything SciFi it out of your imagination shows the person's stupidity (is the best way that I can put it). This in a way is reflective/testament of the effort put in by Joss Whedon by putting SciFi and real science hand in hand that blew everyone away in the box-office (except James Cameron, another director working/consulting with the scientific community)

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post Jun 15 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 15 2012, 04:32 PM)
You sir, is a well-learned Beast; I wonder if you're the real Dr. McCoy, the world authority on biochemistry and genetics?  rclxms.gif
jk jk  tongue.gif

I guess Mr. Ridley (Ripley) Scott and Lindelof wanted to simplify the science for majority of us, laymen. (iinm, the other writer originally intended this movie to be a direct prequel of 1979's Alien.  Those former two, are the one who wanted to expand the creationist part, while Lindelof advise the prequel(s) to be ambiguous...his expertise).  Maybe it's their take on the earth's primodial soup (could've made it hot boiling lava, but water comes to mind when talking about life) and the external ingredient needed to trigger the creation of life (other theories being, extra-terrestrial objects e.g. meteor, bringing the source of life to Earth)...heheh.
Well Dr. Henry Philip McCoy (in fiction) is not a world authority, any established science authority need a commitee of many members. I'm however, a doctorate in the same field as the fictional Dr. McCoy.... the real McCoy, pun intended.

It's a shame that X-Men 1/2/3, First Class, XO: Wolverine ... all commit worst offences..just make the movies so much less enjoyable.

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post Jun 15 2012, 07:51 PM

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Also 3% CO2 is not toxic where you'll last only a few minutes... but you can survive hours (or days) ... you may have chest muscles fatigue/dizziness/headache though but not death.

Only at exceeding 5% is where it's truly toxic.

^5 sec google search.

A simple O2 generator/filter from the 21% O2 environment just to increase the O2 percentage and they can stay out as long as they want. Ordinary or simple gas mask will do. Pandora (Avatar's) environment was even more hostile.

Again poor writing without research.

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post Jun 16 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 16 2012, 10:51 AM)
Copy pasta from an imdb post again ... me lazy, they articulate better ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200474498?p=1
(with att. to koolspyda who like the character David the most ...  smile.gif )
Maybe the director/writers developed their own God complex, until they ignored the minute details i.e. see the bigger picture, not just day-to-day mundane life ... (blasphemy!)  tongue.gif
Hence they want to explain god (something no one can scientifically prove) and throw out all scientific basis (even the most basic) and yet use it in the visuals of the movie .. That's bad/lazy writing.

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post Jun 16 2012, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 16 2012, 01:54 PM)
BeastX, do you really consider The Avengers as science fiction? I just can't wrap my head around that idea...
Most of Marvel's characters (except probably Thor's) are based on Science Fiction or some scientific basis was used to explain their powers... as thought out/designed by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

as opposed to Batman being primary a detective/thriller and Superman that has all the power under the Sun just on the basis of him being an Alien (SciFi on the verge of Fantasy).

So yes Avengers' SciFi... even with Thor, they attempted to put Science to fantasy, not very good at that but good enough that it does not pull you out/affect the Lore by much.
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 16 2012, 02:46 PM)
wow bro you must be bored watching scifi
I'd would not say bored.... It just makes it less enjoyable.... Avatar and Avengers were great....

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post Jun 16 2012, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jun 16 2012, 03:02 PM)
can i know what field of study u were in ?
I'm still very active in the field... refer to my avatar.
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post Jun 16 2012, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 16 2012, 05:13 PM)
Hmm you must hate Star Wars right? Since it's scientifically dumb so the movies should be pretty dumb too.  biggrin.gif
I don't believe Star Wars ever used science to explain their universe... The most prominent thing is the Jedi power. All the technologies were as is.... the most faulty thing would be laser pew-pew and explosions sound in Space, same thing with the nuclear explosion in Space of Avengers... Then again there could be an atmosphere at Chitauri's space...

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