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 AMD/ATi HD 4000 Series Discussion V4, Just added: HD4830 benches!

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post Sep 12 2008, 09:37 AM

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dis card series would be really hot stuff next few week once release in local i think.
completely best for budget user.
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post Sep 12 2008, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(aric_68 @ Sep 12 2008, 02:27 AM)
i am also the ATI supporter...3870 is 256bit...but 4670 128bit only....??? rclxub.gif
i'm now waiting for the new stock of gainwaed 4850 GS by next week.... rclxub.gif
so now.... don't know how to choice already...??? rclxub.gif
everyboby....help me pls....4850 or 4670 better....??? rclxub.gif
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I am 100% pretty sure that 128bit memory controller is the major setback of 4600series. The 4600 series GPU spec is almost the same like the 3800series with some improvement + a half size memory controller which is 128bit. doh.gif
I still dont get the idea of this? Pairing 4600series with 256bit could wipe out the 9600GT easily. If it is the cost matter, then at last play with 192bit.

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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 12 2008, 10:16 AM)
I am 100% pretty sure that 128bit memory controller is the major setback of 4600series. The 4600 series GPU spec is almost the same like the 3800series with some improvement + a half size memory controller which is 128bit.  doh.gif
I still dont get the idea of this? Pairing 4600series with 256bit could wipe out the 9600GT easily. If it is the cost matter, then at last play with 192bit.
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maybe in order to keep the low power consumption?
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post Sep 12 2008, 10:54 AM

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Waiting gula-gula to buy this product biggrin.gif
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post Sep 12 2008, 11:30 AM

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post Sep 12 2008, 11:53 AM

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tis card not bad wor..cheap sial

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post Sep 12 2008, 12:16 PM

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i aim this card long time ago.. hope the card will come here this few days..
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post Sep 12 2008, 12:22 PM

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me also waiting for this card. but i hope the price wont exceed 300, else better go with 2nd hand 3870.
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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 12 2008, 10:16 AM)
I am 100% pretty sure that 128bit memory controller is the major setback of 4600series. The 4600 series GPU spec is almost the same like the 3800series with some improvement + a half size memory controller which is 128bit.  doh.gif
I still dont get the idea of this? Pairing 4600series with 256bit could wipe out the 9600GT easily. If it is the cost matter, then at last play with 192bit.
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but if they decided to use 256 bit mem controller instead of 128 bit it will

1. increase gpu transistor count thus increasing gpu die size thus making ati get fewer chips per wafer
2. increase the complexity of the pcb

ati did this in order to cut cost la dude, for sub rm 300 graphics card, 4670 performs very good, just check the link that i posted where legitreview tested all the games with max AF and AA settings, and there u can see that the 4670 can beat 9600gt

This post has been edited by ben_panced: Sep 12 2008, 05:03 PM
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post Sep 12 2008, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 12 2008, 10:16 AM)
I am 100% pretty sure that 128bit memory controller is the major setback of 4600series. The 4600 series GPU spec is almost the same like the 3800series with some improvement + a half size memory controller which is 128bit.  doh.gif
I still dont get the idea of this? Pairing 4600series with 256bit could wipe out the 9600GT easily. If it is the cost matter, then at last play with 192bit.
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I think they just didn't want to be pad limited on such a small chip. I think this is part of the reason why they went with plain DDR3 as well instead of GDDR, besides the cost factor. The price point they were shooting for is much lower than the 9600GT, or the 3800 series. Just think about it, this is a <100USD card. Keep adding more features and it's not going to be a <100 card anymore.
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QUOTE(Punish @ Sep 11 2008, 10:10 PM)
when do u recon this card gonna hit LYP market....and how much the price gonna be..?? Sub RM300..??

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looking for replacement for ur kaput 7600GT brows.gif
one of LYN bulker said its coming soon... maybe next week?
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QUOTE(jumajuma @ Sep 12 2008, 01:22 PM)
me also waiting for this card. but i hope the price wont exceed 300, else better go with 2nd hand 3870.
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i think 1st bath is a bit expensive.

if i'm not mistaken, it is sold @ 70 euros.
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QUOTE(tech3910 @ Sep 12 2008, 02:28 PM)
i think 1st bath is a bit expensive.

if i'm not mistaken, it is sold @ 70 euros.
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i think the price will be less than RM300
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post Sep 12 2008, 05:37 PM

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guyz...so...the 3870 or 4670 better?in term of performance,price and power usage
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from what i read so far, look like 3870 has the edge but not far ahead when it comes to performance.

the HD4670 is better in power usage.
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this thing is definitely in mah watchlist now biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Sep 12 2008, 12:33 PM)
I think they just didn't want to be pad limited on such a small chip. I think this is part of the reason why they went with plain DDR3 as well instead of GDDR, besides the cost factor. The price point they were shooting for is much lower than the 9600GT, or the 3800 series. Just think about it, this is a <100USD card. Keep adding more features and it's not going to be a <100 card anymore.
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But they could have cut the computational power of that GPU by may be another 20% which reduce the die size & cost and it wouldnt hurt the performance much as the chip is somewhat bottleneck by the half memory bandwidth. Unless I am wrong on this.
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The MSRP may be pretty low, but based on the response and anticipation that can be seen here, I'm guessing a lot of sellers may jack up the price. They do have some room to play with, considering that the other cards that compete with it are USD20-30 more expensive.
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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 12 2008, 07:15 PM)
But they could have cut the computational power of  that GPU by may be another 20% which reduce the die size & cost and it wouldnt hurt the performance much as the chip is somewhat bottleneck by the half memory bandwidth.  Unless I am wrong on this.
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It wouldn't have worked.
For a single chip in all aspects, ATI couldn't possibly have done a better job unless they had better tech.
This chip by its own merits has done what I've NEVER seen a RM300 card do, and for the professional market (see Press Release of $200 FirePro v3750), makes every professional dude able to really own a workstation card that has 75% of the performance of highend, $1500USD cards.


You have to remember that nVidia at this stage is relying on firesale tactics to actually have their inventory sell, if they wanted reasonable margins (like Malaysian prices, RM400+ 9600GT) the 4670 would have blown its competitors out of the market.

Plus, sooner or later someone will start to use the new 1.2Ghz GDDR3 chips out there, another 20% boost (hello 9600GT!) and you can push it to even more I heard.


p/s: 4670 Crossfire Review. Nice punch, but still 4850's too cheap here. Good if you're planning for the future, though.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15422&page=2

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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 12 2008, 07:15 PM)
But they could have cut the computational power of  that GPU by may be another 20% which reduce the die size & cost and it wouldnt hurt the performance much as the chip is somewhat bottleneck by the half memory bandwidth.  Unless I am wrong on this.
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Pad limited = can't reduce the size. Basically you have to ADD logic instead to fill up the space otherwise it would be wasted.


QUOTE(X.E.D @ Sep 12 2008, 08:02 PM)
It wouldn't have worked.
For a single chip in all aspects, ATI couldn't possibly have done a better job unless they had better tech.
This chip by its own merits has done what I've NEVER seen a RM300 card do, and for the professional market (see Press Release of $200 FirePro v3750), makes every professional dude able to really own a workstation card that has 75% of the performance of highend, $1500USD cards.
You have to remember that nVidia at this stage is relying on firesale tactics to actually have their inventory sell, if they wanted reasonable margins (like Malaysian prices, RM400+ 9600GT) the 4670 would have blown its competitors out of the market.

Plus, sooner or later someone will start to use the new 1.2Ghz GDDR3 chips out there, another 20% boost (hello 9600GT!) and you can push it to even more I heard.
p/s: 4670 Crossfire Review. Nice punch, but still 4850's too cheap here. Good if you're planning for the future, though.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15422&page=2
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Sure it's a nice card. But i think you can say that pretty often about computers. Most new generations can do what people have not seen before at a certain price... That's what people like me exist to do tongue.gif

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