2 4670s are as fast as a 4850 (up to ~15% more in best case) in Crossfire.

But now with the 4850 that cheap it's not worth it.

This chip is quite awesome. The size is small, the bugs are fixed, even Powerplay helps the card to clock at 165Mhz at idle!

Consistently kills the HD 3000 series in Call of Duty 4.

Yes. nVidia used to get awesome rep a few years ago from the super good value range cards, where ATI used to suck bad (X700, X1600) and had to release "cacat" models to compete (X1800GTO, X800XL)


Sure nVidia had their share of that too, but the 6600GT and the 7600GT were great choices already. ATI didn't have those.


Now it seems like a total 180 role reversal. And from what I've seen, the 4670 is still making a profit selling at RM300- it's uber cheap. It'll get into a lot of OEM (Dell, HP, or local PC shop) PCs, it'll get into notebooks (when Mobility 4650/4670 comes), it's the 6600GT of this generation.

It wouldn't have worked.
For a single chip in all aspects, ATI couldn't possibly have done a better job unless they had better tech.
This chip by its own merits has done what I've NEVER seen a RM300 card do, and for the professional market (see Press Release of $200 FirePro v3750), makes every professional dude able to really own a workstation card that has 75% of the performance of highend, $1500USD cards.


You have to remember that nVidia at this stage is relying on firesale tactics to actually have their inventory sell, if they wanted reasonable margins (like Malaysian prices, RM400+ 9600GT) the 4670 would have blown its competitors out of the market.

Plus, sooner or later someone will start to use the new 1.2Ghz GDDR3 chips out there, another 20% boost (hello 9600GT!) and you can push it to even more I heard.


p/s: 4670 Crossfire Review. Nice punch, but still 4850's too cheap here. Good if you're planning for the future, though.
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This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 12 2008, 08:04 PM

I think it's more dependent on what the chipmakers want to do. We're at their mercy

But I'm mostly just looking at the progress made compared to the last-gen midrange. Same process, big progress.

RM300 would be totally reasonable for both sides.


This is the same price gauge that happened to the GTX 200 series, and minorly on the 4800s. It's a little more obvious here due to the already sensitive low-end market pricing.


Still, compared to that RM330 2600 PRO that I recommended last year to a lot of people, this is great value.

Disregarding that fact that the OEM Palit stuff is almost always cheapo non-reference that doesn't improve on the original?
All the current Radeon designs are reference and even non-reference boards are usually very decent (besides 3850; Blame Palit too).


Everyone focuses on build quality when it comes to cars, cameras, electronics. Even motherboards. I wonder why "passable" is the norm for graphics.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 14 2008, 04:04 PM

Dudes, Thundermatch has it for RM320 too.

(LYP pricing.)

Should be best price in Melaka by a far shot.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 18 2008, 06:07 PM

The performance hit is actually smaller than what is suggested, due to the 4850 being bandwidth bottlenecked already at 2Ghz GDDR3. So this is still closer to 8800GTS/8800GTX/9800GTX than 9800GT.

nVidia can't sell any card without dropping prices crazily nowadays. Ouch.

Hey, it's more 3DMark 06-ish too!

If this was RV770, it would "have the performance of a 8800GT". Maybe they leaked their old estimates.

Obsolete. I think it's pretty nifty, but ATI thinks otherwise. Probably because of the cost- at that GDDR4 cost, you'd be better off using GDDR5 anyway.

Plus, the main reason the 3870 was hard to price-drop was the GDDR4 component. Newer "custom" 3870s used GDDR3 with minimal performance hit. For the 4800s it's different, but GDDR4 no longer seems to be a priority for both vendors (and memory chipmakers) anymore.

You can see it as a transitionary step to GDDR5, IIRC quite some of the specs are same (different from GDDR3)

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 27 2008, 06:30 PM

Watch. Don't ask questions. Just watch.

Hmm... after the Catalyst 8.10 Beta drivers, the 3870X2 seems to be redeemed a lot.

Of course, there are still cases where it's unsatisfactory, but overall quite better. Scales nicely even in Crysis.

Yes. 4850 vs 1 3870 makes most settings playable at max.Besides Crysis.

Plus, you have a Touch Diamond and a 40D, you don't exactly look like you're lacking cash

So get 2 of them.

ikanayam and I talked about that a few weeks earlier. Like, that statement is only valid in Malaysia (of all places)


Hugs Nokia 1100. ==.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Oct 3 2008, 07:44 PM

LOL