Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 AMD/ATi HD 4000 Series Discussion V4, Just added: HD4830 benches!

views
     
ikanayam
post Sep 12 2008, 12:33 PM

there are no pacts between fish and men
********
Senior Member
10,544 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: GMT +8:00

QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 12 2008, 10:16 AM)
I am 100% pretty sure that 128bit memory controller is the major setback of 4600series. The 4600 series GPU spec is almost the same like the 3800series with some improvement + a half size memory controller which is 128bit.  doh.gif
I still dont get the idea of this? Pairing 4600series with 256bit could wipe out the 9600GT easily. If it is the cost matter, then at last play with 192bit.
*
I think they just didn't want to be pad limited on such a small chip. I think this is part of the reason why they went with plain DDR3 as well instead of GDDR, besides the cost factor. The price point they were shooting for is much lower than the 9600GT, or the 3800 series. Just think about it, this is a <100USD card. Keep adding more features and it's not going to be a <100 card anymore.
ikanayam
post Sep 12 2008, 08:32 PM

there are no pacts between fish and men
********
Senior Member
10,544 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: GMT +8:00

QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 12 2008, 07:15 PM)
But they could have cut the computational power of  that GPU by may be another 20% which reduce the die size & cost and it wouldnt hurt the performance much as the chip is somewhat bottleneck by the half memory bandwidth.  Unless I am wrong on this.
*
Pad limited = can't reduce the size. Basically you have to ADD logic instead to fill up the space otherwise it would be wasted.


QUOTE(X.E.D @ Sep 12 2008, 08:02 PM)
It wouldn't have worked.
For a single chip in all aspects, ATI couldn't possibly have done a better job unless they had better tech.
This chip by its own merits has done what I've NEVER seen a RM300 card do, and for the professional market (see Press Release of $200 FirePro v3750), makes every professional dude able to really own a workstation card that has 75% of the performance of highend, $1500USD cards.
You have to remember that nVidia at this stage is relying on firesale tactics to actually have their inventory sell, if they wanted reasonable margins (like Malaysian prices, RM400+ 9600GT) the 4670 would have blown its competitors out of the market.

Plus, sooner or later someone will start to use the new 1.2Ghz GDDR3 chips out there, another 20% boost (hello 9600GT!) and you can push it to even more I heard.
p/s: 4670 Crossfire Review. Nice punch, but still 4850's too cheap here. Good if you're planning for the future, though.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15422&page=2
*
Sure it's a nice card. But i think you can say that pretty often about computers. Most new generations can do what people have not seen before at a certain price... That's what people like me exist to do tongue.gif
ikanayam
post Sep 27 2008, 04:39 PM

there are no pacts between fish and men
********
Senior Member
10,544 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: GMT +8:00

QUOTE(X.E.D @ Sep 27 2008, 03:26 PM)
The performance hit is actually smaller than what is suggested, due to the 4850 being bandwidth bottlenecked already at 2Ghz GDDR3. So this is still closer to 8800GTS/8800GTX/9800GTX than 9800GT.

nVidia can't sell any card without dropping prices crazily nowadays. Ouch.
*
Yeah, for memory bottlenecked stuff it's going to be pretty sweet. But the AF performance drop should be a bit moar pronounced in this one because the number of filters is now equal to the number of interpolators lol. Ironically, this is the original RV770 design target. Poor nvidia (oh the pun) tongue.gif

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Sep 27 2008, 04:40 PM

Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0145sec    0.42    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 13th December 2025 - 11:50 AM