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NSF is just a marketing gimmick from US? I wonder why NSF has offices all over the world (nearest being Thailand) and even countries like Australia look up to NSF to provide additional certifications (on top of their own Watermark).

Be objective. Just because you are selling an item which is locally certified doesn't mean you should just brush off internationally recognised standards as 'Marketing gimmick'.

Then follow this Malaysia standard good enough as adopted from WHO. NSF is just another Standard that originally implemented in US and later expand to other country. Our Sirim can do they same if promote internationally.

NSF led the development of American National Standards for all materials and products that treat or come in contact with drinking water to help protect public health and the environment and minimize adverse health effects. In 1990, the U.S. EPA replaced its own drinking water product advisory program with these NSF standards. Today, most plumbing codes require certification to NSF standards for pipes and plumbing components in commercial and residential buildings

National Standard for Drinking Water Quality (Second Version, January 2004) issued by Engineering Services Division, Ministry of Health, Malaysia. This is adopted from the World Health Organization (WHO) guidelines for drinking water quality

By the way our Syabas approval Pipe not using NSF certified. All Syabas piping Is MSCL,ABS,PVC, HDPE, And stainless steel follow International standard JIS/ANSI and Sirim

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Oct 30 2013, 04:48 PM

me use Undersink R.O. purification water and final stage is a Mineral Stone cartridge to re-add back those natural mineral RO has taken away...

RO Maintenance is expensive 1 bucket RO water= 3 bucket waste water. Nevertheless RO system encompass all system and NSF/JIS/ANSI/Sirim and so on. Basically if you put a fish in RO water the fish will not survive. Same goes to human who consume Ro water always when start to consume other water then get stomach ache or diarrhea

There won't be ending of argument. NSF and some other reputable organization will have it own benchmark.

The person buying it will be the one making final decision. I buy 3m because it was affordable (compare Amway), NSF certified, and its size. Some other may have different reason. If you search back think I am the one bring up the 3m filters into this forum discussion.

I used sand, membrane and now 3m. Sand is really no no to me. Bulky and not really clean, yes sometime my cloths still get the brown color problem, and I dont want a mini reactor look in front of my house. Lazy to do back wash. Membrane still bulky buy acceptable if 3m doesn't exist.

My ideal setup was amway for internal and 3m for external. Hey 3m give good promotion.. So I go all out for 3m.

This post has been edited by weikee: Oct 30 2013, 05:17 PM

Whatever certificate, make sure is genuine.. Remember the diamond water giving false information.. That is not ethical and I ban diamond.

Not only diamond but nesh, Jantzen, etc aslo

Many water filters here in Malaysia are over priced and giving false information. They over rate their own filters for sake of getting higher margin (by charging higher to customers). This is a fact. Water filters in Malaysia are over priced if you want to get a good one. What i am selling is Culligan (made in USA) and can filter out VOC. So there.

Ha3.. dirty trick..

I agree, sand filter is quite disappointing. I am using GE sand filter(3+ years now) and when water turbidity gets bad ( for example, right after you get your water back after a water cut ), the sand filter simply is unable to provide clean water. The dirty water then gets into my water tank, resulting in the tank accumulating dirt. I bought it because it was much cheaper than membrane at that time, and I was on a budget.

If I were to purchase a POE filter now, my choice would either be a membrane filter, or something similar to 3M too. My only problem with 3M is, my area gets water cut often, hence there would be many times when dirtier than usual water will go through the filter. Being unable to backwash it, it may have a shorter lifespan.

For membrane filters, in addition to the automatic flushing that's done once or twice a day, the filter needs to be backwashed once in a while too. Some installers do not provide the users with the ability to perform your own backwash ( by installing multiple levers and some funky pipe connections ). Hence, you would need to call them to service the filter once a year, with their water pump. You must remember, automatic flushing does not replace backwashing for membrane filters.

Really... My fish somehow manage to survive in RO for say more than 4 years now... hmmm.... sure or not..... as I remember all Sea Aquarium need RO filtration so your statement very fishy!!! really... I have 2 Aquarium 1 on shrimp (Japanese Shrimp) very delicate fresh water shrimp and it survive using RO and another one mainly for my Normal 4 ft tank also on RO water...

RO offer the purest water minus the negativity of boiling water cause boiling water reduce oxygen inside water... also RO is not the same as distilled water cause distilled water is DEAD water... wile RO water is pure water without mineral but high oxygen...


Don't say Fish cant survive in RO water cause in Aquarist RO is the best water for fish...

Crs shrimps? very high maintenance. Need a chiller.

Already invested in the sand filter, would be such a waste to throw it away.

Yep my hi-tec aquarium has chiller set at 26*c for shrimp.... so RO water is the best as they need to live in a very strict environment...

After water cut (syabas maintenance) the first gush of water is extremely dirty and you should actually let the dirty water flow out instead of letting it going through ur water filter. If you let the dirty water go into your filter this will happen :

1) Membrane filter
Most probably will damage the membrane as dirt is trying to force its way through the filter and eventually some might get through. Hence, it wont b able to maintain the 0.01 micron filtration

2) Sand Filter
Dirt will just force its way through the sand and enter your house

3) 3M
Dirt will be trapped by the Pleated Media, dirt wont go into your house and the media wont break but it will shorten the life span of your cartridge.

From this example, you can c that there are pros and cons for each filters, as mentioned you will need to do your own research and determine what is best for you.


This post has been edited by zheilwane: Oct 30 2013, 11:47 PM

Yes 2 to 2.5bar pressure is just nice but after going through membrane filter it will drop approximately 1 bar. As mentioned, i do my own research and share it online. Have a look at this



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Oct 30 2013, 11:47 PM

I'm not home *all* the time, so how would I know when the water comes back? Unless I turn off the mains, because it will most certainly refill my water tank because that would be rather empty since it's used during the period of water cut. If I turn off the mains during a water cut, how then would I know if water is back, unless I periodically check...

I too prefer 3M filter but it wasn't available when I purchased my sand filter ( or I didn't know about it back then ).

This post has been edited by wdarke: Oct 30 2013, 11:31 PM

Use 3M AP902, close ur main and remove the cartridge. WHen u come back from work, turn on the main if u c dirty water coming out from the 3M Fitler , leave it til it becomes clean, turn off the meter and install back the 3M cartridge Now 3M solve the water rationing problem

Well, i did visit some of my customers to replace some of the 3M cartridges for the sake of learning (i dont do that now) and from there i learn a few tricks on protecting & prolonging the life span for the filter For those who have more queries on 3M water filter or general water filters, jus drop by our showroom, we would b able to give good advise and help u in choosing what is best for you

I wish it was that simple My area, is infamous for water cuts that lasts for many days. In between the days there would be a few hours whereby water supply would be back. You would want to maximize the opportunity to fill your water tank, in case the cut lasts for much longer. If you turn off the main, and you are not around when the supply resumes for a few hours, you basically miss that window of opportunity! Anyway, nice suggestion for others.