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Household [Home Appliances] Water Filter, for drinking water purpose

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wdarke
post Jun 15 2010, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jun 14 2010, 11:39 PM)
Anybody know how to securely connect the pipe to the water filter device as highlighted in red?
It seems the plastic connection is not securely tight after turning the connector.
And upon turn on the water with minimal pressure, it always cause the water to drip...

It's really irritating whenever doing a maintenance on the filter...  mad.gif  mad.gif

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I'm not sure what I'm looking at, but is your washer/gasket worn? You could change that.
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post Nov 3 2010, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(ADJ @ Nov 3 2010, 05:47 PM)
is the philips unit still available in the market? i don't see it on philips website anymore.
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I still see it in the shops. Heavily discounted. Maybe new models coming in?
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post Nov 4 2010, 12:24 AM

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New models MAY still use the same cartridges. I know Panasonic's alkaline filter has a new model, but it's still using the same cartridge as the old one.
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post Nov 21 2010, 11:27 PM

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I've been using the smaller GE sand filter, model 1035 for a few weeks now. Seems OK so far. Water pressure reduction with sand filter is very minimal, probably 5% or less. Get the manual valve, it's good enough. Just need to backwash about once a week, depending on usage and water quality in your area. If you find the backwash water to be not too dirty, you can opt for 2 weeks once.
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post Sep 23 2011, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 23 2011, 03:33 PM)
I just purchase 3M outdoor and Indoor filter. Total RM 2099. I like the outdoor unit. Compact and nice. The Indoor is also direct drink, and NSF certification.

I like the seller, he told me the filter can match with all the filter here in Malaysia except Amway because 3M don't have UV, but Amway have. 3M have a list of water filter with NSF in Malaysia, they know what they deal with.


Added on September 23, 2011, 3:34 pm

They don't sell direct but through dealer. I got mine from the dealer.
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Which dealer?
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post Nov 21 2011, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(kamion @ Nov 21 2011, 06:39 PM)
I bought the 3M filters. Outdoor AP-902 (RM900) and indoor AP Easy Complete (RM650), inc. installation. I asked the installer to do the bypass piping for the outdoor unit, add RM80 pay to installer. Next time I know anyone going to US, will ask them to buy the filters. biggrin.gif
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Why do you need a bypass piping?
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post Jun 4 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 4 2012, 11:05 AM)
Now most come with auto timer. sand filter will not filter very clan.
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I noticed that with my GE sand filter. If the incoming source is very dirty, such as right after water supply resumes after a water cut, the filtered water is still quite dirty. Membrane filters would not have such a problem.

How much is the replacement for the 3M outdoor filter?
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post Oct 30 2013, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 30 2013, 05:16 PM)
There won't be ending of argument. NSF and some other reputable organization will have it own benchmark.

The person buying it will be the one making final decision. I buy 3m because it was affordable (compare Amway), NSF certified, and its size. Some other may have different reason. If you search back think I am the one bring up the 3m filters into this forum discussion.

I used sand, membrane and now 3m. Sand is really no no to me. Bulky and not really clean, yes sometime my cloths still get the brown color problem, and I dont want a mini reactor look in front of my house. Lazy to do back wash.  Membrane still bulky buy acceptable if 3m doesn't exist.

My ideal setup was amway for internal and 3m for external. Hey 3m give good promotion.. So I go all out for 3m.
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I agree, sand filter is quite disappointing. I am using GE sand filter(3+ years now) and when water turbidity gets bad ( for example, right after you get your water back after a water cut ), the sand filter simply is unable to provide clean water. The dirty water then gets into my water tank, resulting in the tank accumulating dirt. I bought it because it was much cheaper than membrane at that time, and I was on a budget.

If I were to purchase a POE filter now, my choice would either be a membrane filter, or something similar to 3M too. My only problem with 3M is, my area gets water cut often, hence there would be many times when dirtier than usual water will go through the filter. Being unable to backwash it, it may have a shorter lifespan.

For membrane filters, in addition to the automatic flushing that's done once or twice a day, the filter needs to be backwashed once in a while too. Some installers do not provide the users with the ability to perform your own backwash ( by installing multiple levers and some funky pipe connections ). Hence, you would need to call them to service the filter once a year, with their water pump. You must remember, automatic flushing does not replace backwashing for membrane filters.
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post Oct 30 2013, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(XAM MAX @ Oct 30 2013, 09:14 PM)
Can consider to install a 3M outdoor pre-filter & 3M Indoor pre-filter to prevent the shorter lifespan & also save more $$, because pre-filter cartridge is cheaper.
Just for sharing, coming this PWTC Reno Expo exhibition we decided not only special deal but free indoor pre-filter(worth RM160) when you purchase any model of 3M Indoor water filter system.
Please do not miss this opportunity for our last exhibition in 2013 to enjoy the price before increase.
Re: 3M water filter system price confirm will increase approximately 10% in very near future.
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Already invested in the sand filter, would be such a waste to throw it away.
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post Oct 30 2013, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Oct 30 2013, 11:15 PM)
After water cut (syabas maintenance) the first gush of water is extremely dirty and you should actually let the dirty water flow out instead of letting it going through ur water filter. If you let the dirty water go into your filter this will happen :

1) Membrane filter
Most probably will damage the membrane as dirt is trying to force its way through the filter and eventually some might get through. Hence, it wont b able to maintain the 0.01 micron filtration

2) Sand Filter
Dirt will just force its way through the sand and enter your house

3) 3M
Dirt will be trapped by the Pleated Media, dirt wont go into your house and the media wont break but it will shorten the life span of your cartridge.
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I'm not home *all* the time, so how would I know when the water comes back? Unless I turn off the mains, because it will most certainly refill my water tank because that would be rather empty since it's used during the period of water cut. If I turn off the mains during a water cut, how then would I know if water is back, unless I periodically check...

I too prefer 3M filter but it wasn't available when I purchased my sand filter ( or I didn't know about it back then ).

This post has been edited by wdarke: Oct 30 2013, 11:31 PM
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post Oct 30 2013, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Oct 30 2013, 11:46 PM)
Use 3M AP902, close ur main and remove the cartridge. WHen u come back from work, turn on the main if u c dirty water coming out from the 3M Fitler , leave it til it becomes clean, turn off the meter and install back the 3M cartridge smile.gif Now 3M solve the water rationing problem smile.gif

Well, i did visit some of my customers to replace some of the 3M cartridges for the sake of learning (i dont do that now) and from there i learn a few tricks on protecting & prolonging the life span for the filter smile.gif For those who have more queries on 3M water filter or general water filters, jus drop by our showroom, we would b able to give good advise and help u in choosing what is best for you smile.gif
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I wish it was that simple smile.gif My area, is infamous for water cuts that lasts for many days. In between the days there would be a few hours whereby water supply would be back. You would want to maximize the opportunity to fill your water tank, in case the cut lasts for much longer. If you turn off the main, and you are not around when the supply resumes for a few hours, you basically miss that window of opportunity! Anyway, nice suggestion for others.
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post Oct 31 2013, 12:01 AM

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One question for 3M AP902 + prefilter users, how much impact does it have on the water pressure? I'm asking because my area has relatively low water pressure. I suppose, it would be more impact than a sand filter.
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post Oct 31 2013, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Solar freak @ Oct 31 2013, 10:36 AM)
Pls complaint to Syabas if your housing Less than 2 bar because your water pressure cannot/Slow fill the tanngki in your Double storey hse unless your developer know the pressure  hence your hse should equip with 400gal tangki. If water too murky/Dirty No stand alone system  can solve this problem. You will need to buy chemical to input to the raw murky/dirty water. The clean water then can goes to sand filter and joint up 3M or membrane or directly to POU. I have been doing alot underground water Project for multi national company as  water is essential for site especially Construction.Quary,and so on. Domestic syabas water are treated and Underground are not treated at all Hence if Domestic water cut Pls shut off the main tap at meter area
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It's only 25psi, about 1.7 bars. Complained before, they said it's old housing area, so if the pressure is too high, old pipes will start to leak sleep.gif
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post Oct 31 2013, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Solar freak @ Oct 31 2013, 12:55 PM)
Since it is only 1.7bar hence I propose you use sand filter and follow by PP Filter. By the way most probably your hse Piping is GI hence Due to corrosion the water volume and pressure is being reduce <3bar---> 1.7bar. You need to relay new Piping in order to enjoy filtered water. I can calculate the composition media volume and specification to fit your house Syabas incoming 1.7 bar as we always  implement for Underground water projects also.
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Er.. my pipings are brand new. It's 1.7 bar at entry point. I am using sand filter now, it just does not filter as clean as membrane.
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post Nov 1 2013, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(Solar freak @ Oct 31 2013, 06:13 PM)
How long have you use the sand filter  and under what brand ? Generally Sand filter need to change sand every 3 yrs to maintain the quality filtered water. Sand filter Can filter up to 5 Micron and Ultrafiltration can filter up to 0.01micron. Generally Ultrafiltration filtered water able Protect your Washing Machine, Water heater, WC and Many More. As for Sand filter yes not as clean as Ultrafiltration  but better than no filter at all. You can see POU ceramic catridges get slightly dirty after 1~2 month compare ultrafiltration POU ceramic catridges nominal dirty after >3yrs .
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My sand filter is GE, about 3+ years now. Since my POE water pressure is so low, I guess I cannot use membrane. Does 3M POE filter drop as much pressure as typical membrane?
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post Jan 19 2014, 12:58 PM

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I noticed that most sellers selling 3M AP Easy Complete now, it no longer comes with a prefilter? What happened to that package?

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