im trying to make discussion here dude...
just use imagination a bit..
like my questions above... its more to find out nature of black holes...all this issues with red matter..
u cant get answers without questions...
anyways.... i may just have too much free time

This post has been edited by sshahar9: May 25 2009, 06:16 PM

first u said lets talk about real world. then u wanna imagine what it would be like.

come on, make up ur mind .

i thought it was the comunnicator which looked like the flip phone ? spock ws using it when he wanted get evryone of the planet ?

but deuterium exists .lol

well, if u really wanna get into it, then yes, dilithium and decalithium (or rather deca-lithium) exists, but not the same material as referred to in star trek. same name, totally different material. some even speculated that the scientists who came up/found the new materials are indeed trekkies. they probably name their new material according to the stuffs on star trek shows .

no need to get into science here , i just pointing a fact only
i guess the engineers @ motorola are kinda trekkies also . look at the old startac phone . lol . now if only someone would invent the hypospray from st , then nice .lol

@sshahar9 - like i said before this new franchise of star trek is taking abit more liberties with sci-fi to make things more fast and action packed. yes the sci-fi isn't as watertight as it was in the older trek movies/series but i think if they were to make it watertight it would either be too long a movie or too boring a movie.

the new franchise is more fast paced and action orientated. as you can see from the amount of pummeling kirk suffered in the show.

Black Holes has NOT YET BEEN FULLY UNDERSTOOD by humans. Any sci-fi movie/shows that is making it as a plot device USED their imagination too in expanding/enhancing/exagerrating its basic concept/theory, for the sake of entertainment, and putting in fictional elements with great powers that doesn't exist. By taking each and every bit of these elements and question its plausibility in real life is moot. There is NOT ENOUGH FACT to sustain the discussion.

imagine this:

present: 21st century
trek-era: 22nd century (or 23rd?)

Logically speaking, IT IS POSSIBLE to have new element with great powers discovered during the coming 2 centuries, and IT IS POSSIBLE to understand black holes even more to know it DOES happen like what's shown in this movie.





This post has been edited by alanyuppie: May 26 2009, 09:50 AM

i am.. im imagining what would the red matter be in real world. im not saying it has to be in the form of red matter. im saying of its properties, what other things could resemble its functions or effects if any.
for example, what other things could possibly be like red matter which co-interacts with nuclear matter to become black hole.
or if the other possibility is that it just causes the vacuum environment after a huge star went kaput, what would it be. could it be dark / anti-matter? could it be something else.
im expanding the question and notion of red matter. it doesnt have to BE red matter specifically. like u can create steam from boiling water, or u can find and create steam from any other sources...

whats with all the kinda elitist/action attitude anyway, read up a few things wanna act so big shot, try to come up with something original. why don't cha.
i said red matter is preposterous in real world to begin with, in the end u backed it up saying its all made up science but rooted in current theories, possibilities and whatnot. but then i was expanding from the idea what would something similar to red matter be, and could it cause a black hole. hence the questions and few different theories of what other things it may be, not limiting to the a (red matter) + b (nuclear matter) route.

when i wondered bout the red matter, i didnt just stop at saying its preposterous.i actually tried to imagine what else could explain it or something close to it. the later stuff was on the question of what can cause black holes. maybe its the way i write, maybe its not too explicit but i wasnt just limiting my replies to red matter. more of the issue was the end effect the black hole. could red matter really do it, could it really exist and create a black hole in our universe. and then the various questions, how exactly does black hole forms? does red matter replicate anything from the theory. or anything else for that matter.. blah blah

read thru again my various posts if u want.

in the end, iprobably was going off topic talking about black holes, but thats what i was getting into.
simple terms, i dont believe red matter can cause black holes in our universe. and then i tried to imagine what other possibilities for black holes to appear. blah blah blah

id say try to keep up, but then its probly my writing and jumping here and there that confuses people

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Added on May 27, 2009, 1:31 amwell as azarimy has pointed out in trek universe it would make sense. and it could make sense in our universe if black hole has anything to do with matter.
yes, in our real world, when a huge star explodes it can turn to black hole but its an after-effect. not a direct cause of the hydrogen burning etc. i.e. it happens after theres no matter, not by matters 'fission-ing' or 'fusion-ing' etc.
its a huge gravity, some say its like a sinkhole to another universe or dimension or whatever.
it could be like u burning something in a closed bottle, only when the fire runs out and its low on pressure or whatever the top/ or whatever covers the top gets sucked inside and equalizes pressure of outside and inside bottle.
so a simple theory suggestion is it something similar? could the fire of nuclear burning and when its gone, the exodus of it creates a gap of some'thing', maybe matter, maybe gravity, or maybe a gap in the 'other' dimension and causes it to equalize itself in that space. or is it that each matter has mass and gravity but when the matter gets destroyed (hydrogen burned up), whats left is its gravity (energy maybe= and energy is not destroyed but transfered etc) that may or not be composed of anti-matter or something of the sort, and needs matter to be whole, so it sucks the matter around it in the form of black hole.. is that why positrons are emitted out from black holes?

yadda yadda yadda...

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everyone else seems to be so well read so give some ideas lar, promote healthy thinking... all just simply rely on what others said... only zenix replies and comments are unemotional, and un-condescending so i thank you for that.

my thinking is more like describing a scenario, saying a person crosses the street then got hit by a car and the car dented and the person flung out. mine is not so nitty gritty to explain each muscle that moves in the person, or the cars make and model.. anyhow i think most people get my point. i may not able to describe isotopes or fusion or the rotational angle of the earth and moon, but i can say that the earth orbits the sun and the moon orbits earth. simple. layman. terms.

This post has been edited by sshahar9: May 27 2009, 01:40 AM

im captain jean luc picard

lol'd at the disccusion here

Wow, you just make beliefe there are alternate world for the trekie

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i asked one simple question, and so many discussions going on here... u guys are true trekkies la...

This movie is very interesting and I think we are getting closer to the reality of Star Trek day-by-day. I hope they will come out with a sequel.

Well look at it this way, what was once far fetch ideas in movies are somewhat reality today though not entirely. Well of course red matter does not exist but who knows in the next 50 years? Anything is possible.

Anyway this movie rocks man. Super cool for mild trekkie fans like me.

Just saw Star Trek in the morning...afternoon see Terminator...i rate Star Trek better than Terminator....although I'm not a trekky (but i watch all its movies)..this was fresh and great 'human' actions....but sadly, it missed some very creative ideas on dealing and defeating enemies that made Star Trek soo watchable...more like intelligent movie....I think they will improve further...so far, its all thumbs up.

actually IMHO they tuned down the nerd factor in this star trek for more action

Just watched it again with a mate today who hates Star Trek with a passion. Needless to say, he was overly impressed with the show haha. This is 2nd time i watched in the cinema, the first was with the missus and we were both surprised to have found it very entertaining.

Not a big fan of Trek tho i tend to watch it moderately back when i was in Australia - there was just nothing else to watch at late night! But i am a fan of Firefly, so i've been waiting to watch a sci fi having the same kind of look and feel of the Firefly movie.

This particular film just gets it right imo. The images were vivid and iconic, love the blooming lights, and the film runs at good pace. The castings are brilliant, the actors are lively and entertaining. Think getting that dude Sylar from heroes is an act of genius.

Cant wait for the bluray!!

well too much techno babble is going to confuse people anyway .

This show is a good opportunity for star trek to regain its long lost appeal from the public. And so far it is excelling at that.

I think older trekkers should just be glad that this movie is able to do that.

For me Star trek has always been about the tv series, not the movies. I really hope they'll create a new series soon!

That was a big problem of TNG, rarely of TOS