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post May 18 2009, 01:23 AM

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I wonder why they aren't doing a series with this cast.

Perhaps I'm wrong but none of them are A-list actors thus won't cost a bomb to make a series, I remembered the cost for the last season of ST:TNG the cost per episode was crazy coz the actors were so in demand their contract prices kept going up and up. Just like how FRIENDS actors ended up being over greedy.
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post May 18 2009, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ May 18 2009, 10:03 AM)
I just love how they still make this movie in a rendition of the far future from a 60s point of view.

- Male crew must've mastered the highest level of self control, hence the female crews can strut around in miniskirts uniform.
- Crew members still loading torpedoes manually into the hatch, devoid of mechanical intervention. Starfleet never knew how to minimise their running cost by keeping as little manpower as possible, by developing more automated technology in their ships.
- most planets contains adequate % of oxygen, hence can humans can walk on them safely
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self control? i thought so but after seeing how kirk was going at the green alien then peeping uhura getting nekkid brows.gif
is much more complex than making a warp drive doh.gif
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QUOTE(earthcrystal @ May 18 2009, 05:06 PM)
Even in Star Trek: TNG and Voyager, there is no seat belt on the captain's chair or all the chairs on the bridge ...
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so they can show off their dramatic falls.
i think can footballers can apply for star trek laugh.gif
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post May 20 2009, 04:20 AM

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QUOTE(gafun @ May 19 2009, 12:22 AM)
Nice movie

At the scene where kirk was getting his captaincy, and spock prime was watching from a distance. I was half expecting him to say "you know jim, i never told him i couldn't do that mission alone" And then william shatner appears. ( meaning they did the mission together but spock nvr told young kirk )

Did you see wynona rider!?

Anybody caught the reference to admiral archer ?

To me this is a all star cast.. harold as sulu, aoemer as bones, sylar as spock, theres even that asian guy from prison break appearing for a few seconds..
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when? doh.gif
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post May 20 2009, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(ItchyKlikFinger @ May 20 2009, 04:25 AM)
When Spock and young Kirk met Scotty on the ice planet. Scotty talked about how he did some transporter experiment with Admiral Archer's beagle that didn't go well  tongue.gif
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oh....scotty's accent was kinda deep i heard admiral acker doh.gif
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post May 21 2009, 11:53 PM

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hopefully there will be a series smile.gif
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post May 23 2009, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 22 2009, 12:20 PM)
i don't understand this part. how did scotty know that he needs to wait for future spoock and kirk on the ice planet?
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ May 22 2009, 04:24 PM)
huhu..this movie really best..so far the best movie (angel & lemon also) for year 2009
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who directed angel & lemon? some taiwan singer? laugh.gif

QUOTE(cruel_boy @ May 23 2009, 02:30 AM)
i dun understand with the kelvin design. in wiki its stated that according to Gene D's rule, all star trek ship must have paired warp engines... how come kelvin only has one?

wen enterprise removed the core into da blackhole it created HUGE explosion...bt how come when kelvin rammed into nadara, only small explosion... it still had the core right... should't the core explode?
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this was never really explained in any way as whenever there is a self destruct activated or ejected core.....it usually makes a big explosion but when the ships are destroyed as a whole this does not happen.

like when the enterprise came out of warp it had to fly thru alot of debris.....which doesn't make sense if u figure that destroying all the ships would mean that there would be alot of core explosions thus nothing much left doh.gif

QUOTE(sshahar9 @ May 23 2009, 11:41 AM)
correction... i think the red matter was inside spocks ship all along.
when kelvin rammed narada, the red matter wasnt there.

25 years later when spock's ship came through the black hole, they captured the ship, spock and the red matter inside it. but the red matter had been inside spocks ship all along.

when young spock rammed the prime spocks ship into narada, the red matter was still inside and thus ignited when it crashed into narada.

wth is the red matter anyway. its just plain preposterous.. so much for sci-fi
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Red matter is a fictional substance that appears in J.J. Abrams' 2009 film Star Trek and the lead-in comic book Star Trek: Countdown. The rare mineral decalithium is processed into red matter that creates a black hole when it comes in contact with nuclear matter, and is used in an attempt to avert an impending natural disaster, and to destroy a planet.

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post May 23 2009, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 23 2009, 04:11 PM)
still don't understand scotty part. how he ended up in the planet and wait for future spook and kirk to arrive.
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he was also sort of marooned there.
the admiral sent him there for what scotty did to the dog.
but then never came back for him coz of what happen to the dog.
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post May 24 2009, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 23 2009, 04:28 PM)
oh...okay i see.
so in the end, there are actually two spook living in the present world??? one old spook and one young spook?
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spock not spook.
but yes two spocks because of spock prime's ship was destroyed together with the narada.
plus the blackhole the red matter created was random.
even if there was still red matter there would be no way for them to control where/when they'll go.
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post May 24 2009, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ May 24 2009, 12:30 PM)
thanks for the explanation... i know what it meant to do..
i just meant that its preposterous something of this sort could exist in reality.
something so tiny having huge amounts of power in it..
hell.. if they're so advanced they can utilize it to power cities and worlds...
anyhow,, what i mean is the idea that a single liquid can form a black hole..
would love to hear some theories on it..
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perhaps it has to do with the stability of the isotope.
like we have learned to use nuclear fission but not nuclear fusion.
when it comes to rare metals and substances it can get very very complex.
different allotropes of it will make it different.
e.g. carbon has two allotropes, one is diamond and one is graphite.
some appear on the periodic table some do not as they're a combination of a few.
some reactions are fusion based and some are fission based.

e.g. in knight rider a few grams of hafnium would make a very powerful bomb.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/hafnium.htm

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post May 24 2009, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ May 24 2009, 05:16 PM)
hmm interesting take there zenix...
ill just admit u know more than more than me in general science.
please elaborate further if you can on this theory if it does involve fusion/ fission of the sort.

i think what boggles me is that i just dont know the true nature of what the supposed red matter is... which is why its an easy escape for the story or a 'cheat' to move the story forward.

if just throwing ideas around, maybe its similar to the properties of a white star before it goes supernova or turning to a black hole. blah blah blah... i dont think our level of understanding currently can explain it. which is what makes the red matter more interesting, perplexing and for me atleast, preposterous. just coz we dont know what it actually is and how it interacts, etc.

alanyuppie, im well aware of the nuclear weapons man has produced and used. but its just back to the issue what is actually the red matter is.

a tiny drop can create a black hole that can devour a sun (if i remember correctly from the beginning of movie, for what its supposed to be used for). but then the whole vat of it creates the same size black hole when it crashes into narada. is there a limit to its size and how big it can go? why a 2d black hole and not spherical? why didnt create multiple black holes if it reacted independently, assuming it grow bigger with more of it. why not supermassize black holes? blah blah blah on and on...

what is this supposed red matter is that can create this black hole by fusing with nuclear power?

and yeah, science fiction can  tweak or exaggerate theories but i didnt say i never enjoyed the movie.. i enjoyed it a lot.. but its just bugging me a bit about this red matter, what it actually is. how can it hold so much energy, rip apart space and time continuum. blah blah blah...
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any matter can go through a fusion or fission process.
extracting hydrogen from water is also a process of fission.
how batteries work is also a form of fusion.

fusion = one matter fusing with another to form another matter, and or energy.
fission = one matter splitting into to form another matter, and or energy.

thus red matter is a specially processed decalithium and must be stored in some special liquid.
if it FUSED with any other matter then it would create a black hole.
however, in its natural state as decalithium ore it wouldn't create a black hole.
just like how water isn't explosive like hydrogen eventhough it has hydrogen atoms.

however, your observation of how red matter in the movie follows the same line as me about the warp cores.

1 drop of red matter = black hole
spock prime ship explode and whole (probably) 10 litres of red matter pours out as droplets = only 1 black hole of almost equal size of 1 drop red matter black hole.

it should have been many black holes, however, my theory is that only ONE droplet reacted to create the blackhole.
other droplets reacting slower would be sucked into the first black hole before reacting.
then u say why not the smaller blackhole counter the big one to nullify?
well small not massive enough.
unless all the droplets react at the same time then will have multiple holes and all will cancel each other out.

the enterprise dump the warp cores into the blackhole yet still able to fly away with the help of the core exploding.
probably got reserve core coz impulse speed wouldn't do jack.


Added on May 24, 2009, 11:03 pmbut from my point of view this new star trek franchise is going to take abit more liberties with sci-fi than previous star trek movies/series did to make it more exciting.

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post May 26 2009, 01:38 AM

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@sshahar9 - like i said before this new franchise of star trek is taking abit more liberties with sci-fi to make things more fast and action packed. yes the sci-fi isn't as watertight as it was in the older trek movies/series but i think if they were to make it watertight it would either be too long a movie or too boring a movie.

the new franchise is more fast paced and action orientated. as you can see from the amount of pummeling kirk suffered in the show.



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post May 30 2009, 02:12 AM

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actually IMHO they tuned down the nerd factor in this star trek for more action

 

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