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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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alsree786
post Nov 14 2010, 01:57 PM

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...just a word of advice to law students. Do as many attachments as possible, both in big and small firms. The more attachments you do, the more you are exposed to in terms of not only insights into local legal practice, but also to the different corporate cultures out there and you get to experience for yourself the difference between being part of a big firm vs small firm. Also add networking to this.
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post Nov 14 2010, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Nov 14 2010, 01:57 PM)
...just a word of advice to law students. Do as many attachments as possible, both in big and small firms. The more attachments you do, the more you are exposed to in terms of not only insights into local legal practice, but also to the different corporate cultures out there and you get to experience for yourself the difference between being part of a big firm vs small firm. Also add networking to this.
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erm..is there any chance for STPM students to take up like part time job at law firms?do they need us?does that help for a student who wants to further his/her study in law?
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post Nov 14 2010, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Nov 14 2010, 04:43 PM)
erm..is there any chance for STPM students to take up like part time job at law firms?do they need us?does that help for a student who wants to further his/her study in law?
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You mean you are doing STPM right now?

Call or contact some law firms. You may not be able to get a paid part-time job in a big/reputable law firm, but there are plenty of small time law practices that would hire STPM grads to do very basic, general work.

If you are thinking about attachments rather than a paid job, then it is possible everywhere. It depends on your attitude and effort.
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post Nov 16 2010, 02:11 PM

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I have a friend who wishes to take up law but he's weak in history. Bio-wise, he can score easily as he can remember terms without much effort. He's weak and slow in reading/understanding BM but good in english.What do you think?
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post Nov 17 2010, 02:55 AM

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Law is not about history. Precedents, sure, and it's easy to see why history and law can be compared - they deal with large volumes of information, a lot of time is spent studying the past, arguments are structured...

If you're good in English but not great in Malay then I suspect the problem lies with not being able to deal with Malay, not with language.

It is hard to figure out if you have an affinity for a subject which you usually do not study until undergrad/grad level. There are simple things you can do: read some books, go online, talk to lawyers, do attachments, visit courtrooms and trials, attend lectures and talks.
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post Nov 17 2010, 03:18 PM

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i would like to know how to attend trial or courtcase?just go to the high court and enter and take a seat?is it that easy?or there are other things that i have to take note on?
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post Nov 17 2010, 09:47 PM

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Yes, it is that simple. As long as the trial/court is open to the public, you can go in. Go to the courts complex where there are many courts and trials.

No need to register/sign up/tell anybody. Simply arrive at the right time. You can check the schedule at the place. You can leave whenever you please.
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post Nov 17 2010, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Nov 17 2010, 03:18 PM)
i would like to know how to attend trial or courtcase?just go to the high court and enter and take a seat?is it that easy?or there are other things that i have to take note on?
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Lol where r u from.I'd like to do that sometime.

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post Nov 18 2010, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Imperfecion @ Nov 16 2010, 02:11 PM)
I have a friend who wishes to take up law but he's weak in history. Bio-wise, he can score easily as he can remember terms without much effort. He's weak and slow in reading/understanding BM but good in english.What do you think?
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i dont know why ppl say u need to score in history to be a lawyer. i really dont see the relevance. someone told me that too when i wanted to take up law.

well, tell your friend, i didnt get a credit in BM for SPM and nearly flunked history. no big deal. icon_idea.gif


Added on November 18, 2010, 5:29 pm
QUOTE(Imperfecion @ Nov 17 2010, 10:39 PM)
Lol where r u from.I'd like to do that sometime.
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dress decently, enter the court room quietly, bow, and sit at the back. tongue.gif

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update..

it is bloody tough to find a Training contract here in the uk..

I've already failed one application to Eversheds (one of the magic circle)
I didnt even get to the interview stage..
Defeated at Numerical Reasoning Test )=
(I also blamed myself for doing the test when I was so dead tired)


my advise for would be solicitors is to do those Test.. Only when you feel up to it..
Don't be like me.. tired like crap after an all-nighter study and do the NRT, LRT and VRTs...

I really wonder if I should continue and go for the LPC next year
I've already submitted my application


any thoughts and advise?
Massa
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Hi.

I just want to ask, is it fine to take an UoL Law Degree from an institute which is not in Malaysia?
Maybe from German or Russian institute? Or is it advisable to take in Malaysia?

Thanks.
Imperfecion
post Nov 21 2010, 11:59 AM

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Anyone from kuching? Pm me if you too would like to attend a courtcase after SPM.thumbup.gif
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post Nov 24 2010, 06:05 PM

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Hi everyone,

I know the topic of BPTC v. CLP has been debated long and hard and I might get flamed for pursuing this again.

I am currently a 3rd yr studying LL.B in the University of Reading and looking at the options that I have.

If possible, I would like suggestions based on what you did/would/will do and why did you do it?

I am sorry if some of you feel that it was inconsiderate of me to have brought up such a stale topic.

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Australian Bar (Practical Legal Training/PLT)

---I'd like to ask if anyone has experience completing or attempted to apply to do the PLT in Australia, regardless of the state you did it in.---

1) What is the first thing I'd have to do to apply ?

2) I understand we have to complete a few australian foundation subjects or satisfy the Priestly 11 beforehand. (I did a UK LLB Degree). Do I apply for PLT and also the course to complete the necessary subjects at the same time ?

3) Do I submit my results to the Legal Profession Admission Board of a state like Queensland to get my results examined and obtain the list of subjects I'd have to complete first?

I need information about getting myself into the Australian Bar but I don't know where I should start asking, I thought about calling the University directly, which is Bond University, but I have some hesistations because they might not entertain these questions.

So I thought anyone who has similar experience as mine or has knowledge on this area could enlighten me. Thanks

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post Nov 29 2010, 11:45 AM

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post Nov 29 2010, 12:17 PM

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i found that to be a qualified person for admission to the singpore bar,we need to be either PR or singapore citizen,what if we aren't either of them?that means we do not stand a chance to practise in singapore?
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QUOTE(minshuen @ Nov 29 2010, 12:17 PM)
i found that to be a qualified person for admission to the singpore bar,we need to be either PR or singapore citizen,what if we aren't either of them?that means we do not stand a chance to practise in singapore?
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Incorrect.

I know of a friend who isn't a Singaporean (or a PR holder) and has never studied in Singapore, passed the Singaporean bar in one sitting.
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HASY, would there be any chance for a malaysian who'd completed the australian bar to find a job as a solicitor/barrister in Australia and work there? heard any fresh australian bar grads who had successfully found a job ? i understand of course those outstanding students could find a job, im asking about average normal bar grads....hows the prospect over there, in your state.
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post Dec 3 2010, 10:09 PM

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I currently studying in MMU and lecturer quality is a big problem for me because many good lecturer starting to leave which replaced by lecturer from country such as Bangladesh, Iran and others. Some local lecturer also not teach properly. Besides that, recently I found out that majority partnership from local law firm were Barrister-at-law from UK. Izzit Barrister-at-law will have better future compare to local graduate? Can someone pls advice me whether I should go for Barrister-at-law in UK?

Another question is where the local graduates from UKM, IIUM and UiTM go? Because I rarely saw any local graduates from these universities except UM as a partner in local law firm and local graduates normally only become a legal assistant. Impossible for them whole life become a legal assistant. So, where are them now?

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post Dec 4 2010, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(twgang @ Dec 3 2010, 10:09 PM)
I currently studying in MMU and lecturer quality is a big problem for me because many good lecturer starting to leave which replaced by lecturer from country such as Bangladesh, Iran and others. Some local lecturer also not teach properly. Besides that, recently I found out that majority partnership from local law firm were Barrister-at-law from UK. Izzit Barrister-at-law will have better future compare to local graduate? Can someone pls advice me whether I should go for Barrister-at-law in UK?

Another question is where the local graduates from UKM, IIUM and UiTM go? Because I rarely saw any local graduates from these universities except UM as a partner in local law firm and local graduates normally only become a legal assistant. Impossible for them whole life become a legal assistant. So, where are them now?
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Are u reading law in MMU? If yes, I don't think BVC will take you in. Only UK LLB. There are plenty of them graduated from other qualification other than BVC. Try to google some big firms and look at their partners' listing. Being a partner in a firm pretty much depends on individual, not where you came from. A lazy BVC graduate might take longer years to become a partner while a hardworking and smart UKM student (which I've seen plenty) can be one in say 6 years. Depends. Me myself graduated from UK but I don't see any diff with other local grads other than a foreign uni name on your namecard. Not everyone can survive the practice. Plenty of them leave practice because of the low initial pay and long hours of work. Where they went? Some in-house, some non-law related. In order to climb the ladder fast, you pretty much have no life for at least first 5 years of your practice and that's a pretty long time you've to tahan.

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