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post Oct 9 2008, 10:32 PM

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Modules problems !! HELP! :S

Im taking company law and Ive heard its a tough subject ! Is that so ?

does it really matter what subjects we take in LLB ?

im seriously considering dropping company law and go for consumer protection, this , is a much easier subject.

Any opinions ?
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post Sep 28 2009, 01:34 AM

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HI all,

I just finished my undergraduate LLB degree last summer.
I was on the BVC, was doing it in Manchester met uni.
real unfortunate of me, i have to withdraw few days ago from my course. (seriously, BVC is tough and demanding)

what are my options now ? you guys have any suggestion ? what would you guys do if u were in my situation. gap year is a waste of time hm...

CLP ? how about doing australian bar ? or US ? they accept uk degree ?

The BVC for next year ( will be known as BPTC) is gonna be tough, thought of doing it next year...sigh

any ideas guys ?
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post Sep 28 2009, 04:48 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Sep 28 2009, 02:02 AM)
may i know why you had to withdraw?

firstly there's no "australian" bar exam...secondly, for uk law grads, we have to enrol for a number of subjects at a uni in Aus in order to satisfy the Priestley 11 subjects first...

The BVC is tough, the CLP is hard to pass, nothing is easy...you shouldn't be concerned with the difficulty of the task if you're motivated and hard working enough...

No one said being a lawyer was a walk in a park...my recommendation, if you really want to do the bar course go ahead and work hard at it...

during your gap year, look for a job in a law firm...if you have the extra money and time, (or cant get a job)...just enrol for the CLP course and learn as much as you can about Malaysian legal procedures and the works...
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i had to withdraw because i didnt meet the IELTS requirement, score of 7.5 in every parts. i thought i was fine if i could prove english is indeed my first language but now my uni doesnt accept my claim that english is my first language.

anyway, i was just asking about my options... cus its near the end of september and i dont really know what can I do now. so some ideas would be really nice...

was thinking of australia or US if someone could tell me more...?
what about studying the solicitor course in UK...

i think i can still register myself for the CLP even though it has already started about 2weeks...well malaysia unis are more flexible...
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post Sep 29 2009, 04:01 AM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Sep 28 2009, 12:59 PM)
Hmmmm, should have cleared the language issue from the outset.

US
Decide on the state that you intend to practice.
Contact the respective state's Bar Association.
Find out if your qualification is recognised for purposes of sitting for the State Bar Exams. (chances are that you will have to sit for an LLM from an ABA accredited institution)

You'll get your answer from them that way.

Aus
I'll leave this to my learned friends practising in Australia to explain.

CLP
You'll only register for CLP exams sometime early next year according to the Qualifying Board's timetable. It is not based on the date that you register at the college. Therefore, registering for CLP at this stage may not be a problem for you.

Solicitor's qualification exam

The LPC is not recognised by the Qualifying Board. For you to be a qualified person in Malaysia, you need to be a 'solicitor in England'. Currently, you have to complete 2 years of training contract period before you can be admitted as a Solicitor there. Therefore, do consider this in light of the availability of training contracts in the England.
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I appreciate your reply, problem is I didnt achieve the required score in Ielts after 2 attempts. okay i think i understand what ur trying to explain. bricksfield asia college just told me the registration to enter their college is closed. i might just talk to them again and bring up the point you made.


QUOTE(edennature @ Sep 28 2009, 05:05 PM)
retake IELTS


Added on September 28, 2009, 5:12 pmi suggest you wait for another year if you really have the desire to gain the qualification barrister-at-law.If you register for course which you do not like,you will regret.Do both also can.You can gain advantages by taking clp and bvc in two years..the skill of arguing,expressing your points,opinions and understand malaysian law and legal procedures.
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thats exactly what i thought. thanks . but after long thoughts, why take Bar in UK again if i have actually passed my CLP next year.. hehe...anyway thanks
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post Jul 5 2010, 12:15 PM

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I can't find anything on Australian Bar in this thread. And also the Hong Kong Bar, is it equivalent to CLP ? i'm trying very hard to look into other alternatives to avoid taking the CLP.

Would anyone be kind enough to explain about the Australian bar, and if possible the hong kong bar as well.

im more interested in the australian bar though, like when are the intakes, duration of course and acceptance of australian bar holder in malaysia.

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post Jul 6 2010, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Jul 5 2010, 02:58 PM)
Re Aus Bar...

Just would like to get some info.

1) From which uni did u obtain your LLB?

2) Which state in Aus are you considering to head to?

3) Do you intend to practice in Malaysia after?
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oh sorry i wasnt very clear with my question. got my LLB from northumbria in the UK, and yes i would like the option to practice in malaysia. i dont have a definite choice of state and im open to all available options. do u think you can help me out here ?
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post Jul 10 2010, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Jul 7 2010, 12:30 AM)
Am assuming you're pursuing the UOL Ext LLB. Am not sure about HK, but for SG:

I highly doubt u can transfer, short of saying no coz whatever it is it is still at their discretion.

And for your second question, information can be gleaned from http://app2.mlaw.gov.sg/UsefulInfo/Practic...64/Default.aspx
You will probably need to spend a year in Australia just to complete the Priestly 11. Only then is your degree recognised and you take the "bar exam". There is no equivalent of the UK Bar in australia. Every state has its own exam and generally differ from the other. If im not mistaken, in some states the profession is fused, while in others, the profession is split. Even then, this is highly not recommended...because even if you finish the state bar exam, I dun think it is recognised in Malaysia ( I have no time to check proper atm)...
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jul 7 2010, 10:43 AM)
Even if you're admitted to the Australian Bar (in any state), you'll have to do CLP if you want to practice in (West) Malaysia.
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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 7 2010, 11:46 AM)
the same applies to HK Bar

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Just refer to Section 3 of the LPA
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thanks for the input guys. god this is frustrating. all other bar equivalent in other countries require us law students to take up clp in order to practice in W.MSIA ! and the BVC( aka BPTC) is the only exception, which i cant attend because of the insanely high ielts requirement !

as for australia like you said alsree, i'd have to stay one year for the priestly 11 to be eligible for their bar examinations, that's another drawback there ! argh....

guess i have no choice but to pursue CLP !!!

once again, appreciate the feedback guys.

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post Jul 13 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Jul 10 2010, 07:55 PM)
there are many reasons why ppl do not enrol for the BPTC...but IELTS requirement?? That's the first time i've heard someone not considering the BPTC for the IELTS requirement. I did the IELTS and got 8.5...and comparatively, my overall level of English is quite average...seriously, there must be another reason for you to not consider it. Costs perhaps?

...And i'm pursuing the CLP atm, if cost is not a factor and you feel that the field of law is where you want to be in the not too distant future...pls, aim towards enrolling for the BPTC...
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Oh believe me, ielts is the only reason holding me back. ive taken it three times and failed to get the required score of 7.5 in all sections of ielts. i must say, it's pretty tough for me. and no, cost is not the problem, my parents are fully capable to finance the BPTC if i were to take it. oh well...
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post Aug 5 2010, 03:05 PM

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okay, now i have a few questions on the CLP in Malaysia.

as i know, there are only 2 providers; BAC and ATC.

alsree, i see you're very informed about universities.

I will be considering these 2 institutes and it's not a decision i can make immediately. need some advices here!

which one would you guys recommend. personally, ive been to the BAC lecture hall for CLP and it doesnt look very inviting to me. I mean I can't imagine myself attending lectures at that hall, maybe it's just me.

what about in terms of lecturers and modes of teaching ?

hope to get some feedback here. thanks very much
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post Aug 9 2010, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(jhong @ Aug 6 2010, 12:17 AM)
Well, i think both institutes offer quite adequate CLP education eventhough BAC is quite well known with its track record.
However, in my view, it makes no difference as long as you are self disciplined.
In fact, though some would say BAC has better lecturers, I see the reasons why they did well is because they worked very hard.
BAC provides you with extensive course materials however, like even a sample Q&A, which those top students didnt really rely on.
So, choose whichever you feel comfort with....?
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Aug 6 2010, 01:08 AM)
Honestly, there is little difference between the two colleges. BAC has about 300 to 350 students on average every year for CLP whereas ATC is about 120 to 150. Both are in rather cramped places. Their notes are about the same. The only difference would be in lecturers. For ATC, their lecturers are okay with a couple of really mediocre ones. There are of course pretty good ones with Kevin, Ravi and Mr Joseph being commendable. But I was generally satisfied with ATC. BAC may have better results but honestly, I dun really give a crap about how well other students do. And for CLP, no one really cares whether you get great results. A pass is all u need. If pass rates matter, both institutes are about the same i think...ATC is only slightly higher.
So, I would recommend going to the college where you feel most comfortable and maybe have closer friends. 
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appreciate the replies. made things clearer to me now.
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post Nov 28 2010, 07:18 PM

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Australian Bar (Practical Legal Training/PLT)

---I'd like to ask if anyone has experience completing or attempted to apply to do the PLT in Australia, regardless of the state you did it in.---

1) What is the first thing I'd have to do to apply ?

2) I understand we have to complete a few australian foundation subjects or satisfy the Priestly 11 beforehand. (I did a UK LLB Degree). Do I apply for PLT and also the course to complete the necessary subjects at the same time ?

3) Do I submit my results to the Legal Profession Admission Board of a state like Queensland to get my results examined and obtain the list of subjects I'd have to complete first?

I need information about getting myself into the Australian Bar but I don't know where I should start asking, I thought about calling the University directly, which is Bond University, but I have some hesistations because they might not entertain these questions.

So I thought anyone who has similar experience as mine or has knowledge on this area could enlighten me. Thanks

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post Dec 3 2010, 04:02 PM

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HASY, would there be any chance for a malaysian who'd completed the australian bar to find a job as a solicitor/barrister in Australia and work there? heard any fresh australian bar grads who had successfully found a job ? i understand of course those outstanding students could find a job, im asking about average normal bar grads....hows the prospect over there, in your state.

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