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post Nov 4 2010, 10:51 PM

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Obviously studying law does not mean one should practice law. But the practice of law or the usage of law in other fields should be a huge factor when deciding to take LLB, LLM or JD.

I never think that a degree means one has to work with that subject in one's career.

However I did speak to some lawyers, and they made it clear that one should not do an LLB without being serious about practicing law. Books and texts I have read also advocate this.
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post Nov 14 2010, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Nov 14 2010, 04:43 PM)
erm..is there any chance for STPM students to take up like part time job at law firms?do they need us?does that help for a student who wants to further his/her study in law?
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You mean you are doing STPM right now?

Call or contact some law firms. You may not be able to get a paid part-time job in a big/reputable law firm, but there are plenty of small time law practices that would hire STPM grads to do very basic, general work.

If you are thinking about attachments rather than a paid job, then it is possible everywhere. It depends on your attitude and effort.
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post Nov 17 2010, 02:55 AM

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Law is not about history. Precedents, sure, and it's easy to see why history and law can be compared - they deal with large volumes of information, a lot of time is spent studying the past, arguments are structured...

If you're good in English but not great in Malay then I suspect the problem lies with not being able to deal with Malay, not with language.

It is hard to figure out if you have an affinity for a subject which you usually do not study until undergrad/grad level. There are simple things you can do: read some books, go online, talk to lawyers, do attachments, visit courtrooms and trials, attend lectures and talks.
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post Nov 17 2010, 09:47 PM

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Yes, it is that simple. As long as the trial/court is open to the public, you can go in. Go to the courts complex where there are many courts and trials.

No need to register/sign up/tell anybody. Simply arrive at the right time. You can check the schedule at the place. You can leave whenever you please.
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post Feb 25 2012, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(c3rl3n @ Feb 15 2012, 12:12 AM)
Hello smile.gif I have a few questions about law studies (related), hope someone can help me out here...

I'm currently a STPM leaver waiting for results, and I'm aiming for either local u's or NUS (if my results are >3.8 then I'll give NUS a try). Here are the q's:

1) Must law students be the debate-ish type to succeed? I can (and love) to read and write, and generally tend to notice fine prints, but I've only debated twice inter-class and I wasn't the most confident or outstanding one (that was in form 6...before that in F5 i wanted to join inter class debate but my teacher rejected me for those 'already good ones', sigh)

2) For NUS law, besides the stellar results, if I didn't have any outstanding CCAs beyond school level will there be high chances that they won't even look at my application? Is there anything that I can put in the CCA and essay section that can be of some worth? Does the same criteria hold true of scholarship applications? Heard their law is super2 competitive.

I've been to an old folks home, a blind fellowship (we organized a Christmas play for them) and a refugee school before, but both were under church activities (meaning: no cert), and also this outdoor camp for uniformed bodies in school where there was a participation cert...I also write for a local webzine.

No spectacular achievement though.

*my fault lo, I didn't start young...only got active in form 4, but just ahli aktif, no national level stuffs...in form 6 I tried very, very hard to redeem myself, and got elected to quite a few top posts in school, but nothing beyond school, maklumlah my school is a kampung school, nice but not one of those schools. NUS seems to be fond of ppl who were in the Olympiads...

right now I'm interning for a law firm doing property/conveyancing law...good experience but this also means no time to do some national level stuff etc...*

3) For the UPU form, according to the new format, if I want to apply to research u's then I have to make a minimum of 8 choices (that's how I understand it...correct me if I'm wrong)...there's not enough law degrees in M'sia to make 8 choices lah..the remaining choices have to put other courses...as far as I know only UM, UKM, UUM and UniSZA got...UiTM forget it as I'm not Bumi...

* it can feel funny when one tells everyone that I want to do law but end up doing something else...it's like 'aiya, why I say it so fast?'

Thank you...and I'm sorry if there's too many unrelated stuff here ya...
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Certificates don't mean f***-all. It is a Malaysian or Pan-Asian mentality (in general, about pieces of paper). Yes, good results are sometimes an important factor when getting entry into university or a good job. So they require papers to prove. But procuring many certificates about extra-academics is not as important as having quality experiences which you can actually talk about.

If you're results are very good, you'll get an interview from NUS. It'll come down to that - and if you interview well they'll review your credentials and profile, but if you interview really well you'll get in. Keep a few weekends free (some time after applying) as you'll need to go to Singapore.
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post Feb 28 2012, 09:32 PM

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Don't take UOL for the wrong reasons.

I posted info from LSE before... very hard to get into 2nd year at LSE if you take UOL external, and if it wasn't already hard enough (expect that it is to some degree hard for kids to enter the 1st year, and that those kids will continue on the 2nd year), it's limited to few subjects... some very popular ones are excluded. Of course it can all change based on their admissions... like if you're a very very good student there could be exceptions.

UOL is very big, but taking UOL external won't mean you have a good shot of getting into a top uni under UOL (LSE, UCL, King's etc). Simpler to enter directly.
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post Mar 20 2012, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(zone3310 @ Mar 19 2012, 01:21 AM)
hey guys ,so i come here with a list of some university.Maybe u heard of it or oppositely,but what would be the best choice for you if you are going to pursuing LLB degree?

1)University of Manchester
2)University of Liverpool
3)Queen's University Belfast
4)University of Warwick
5)University of Shefield
6)University of Southampton

please leave comments.Thx.
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Quite simply,

Warwick is one of the highest ranked British schools and is considered by many in more recent times to be a target school just below and sometimes in the same category as Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, and UCL. But it is not particularly known for Law. But it is not difficult to gain entry into with the right subjects as aggregate required grades are not as high as some others.

Southampton is one of the internationally higher ranked schools in that list, with the second probably being Manchester.

Queen's Belfast is also in the Russell Group, nowhere near elite but at least associated with upper universities.

Assuming you're not into Oxbridge and LSE, you might consider individual strengths for Law (Queen Mary, University of London, possibly Nottingham University etc) or rankings (UCL and Warwick). Stuff like Soton is kinda in between, Queen's Belfast has a very low ranking amongst British universities alone, forget internationally. Again, you might consider individual strengths, schools like Cass Business School have specialties which may not have anything to do with ranking.

I have nothing to say for Liverpool and Sheffield. If you're spending GBP 20,000- 30,000... make your own decision, but if you regret it, it's on you.
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post Mar 21 2012, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(zone3310 @ Mar 21 2012, 07:34 PM)
ok and thx for your information buddy!!I think now my highest aim would be either warwick or manchester.Correct me if i'm wrong .  smile.gif


Added on March 21, 2012, 7:35 pm

And what would that be? do you mean money?
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Warwick > Manchester in British ranking and probably British reputation. But they both have decent Business schools which are targets or sub targets. Somehow Warwick fails at international rankings (relative to Bristol, Soton etc).

No idea what Law is like at Manchester, Soton, or Warwick.

A 2:1 is more important because for Law, it's a profession with a lot of barriers and post-graduate qualifications are necessary (think Accountants, Actuaries, Doctors). What that means is if you don't have a 2:1 you won't get a career in Law, whether you attended LSE or Cardiff.
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post Mar 22 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Mar 22 2012, 12:00 PM)
Well, without a 2:1 (second upper), it would be difficult to get into the top firms. Won't kill your career in law tho. You can still get into a good firm and succeed in practice and make a name for yourself without a 2:1 provided u read law in a good uni and appear good enough at your interviews. Top firms, in their attempt to screen candidates, will always prefer 2:1 holders and above from reputable unis.
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Yeah I was a bit loose with the facts, just trying to express the idea, since a 2:1 may be the minimum for professional entry (bar etc), training and apprenticeships, internships etc.

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