I currently studying in MMU and lecturer quality is a big problem for me because many good lecturer starting to leave which replaced by lecturer from country such as Bangladesh, Iran and others. Some local lecturer also not teach properly. Besides that, recently I found out that majority partnership from local law firm were Barrister-at-law from UK. Izzit Barrister-at-law will have better future compare to local graduate? Can someone pls advice me whether I should go for Barrister-at-law in UK?

Another question is where the local graduates from UKM, IIUM and UiTM go? Because I rarely saw any local graduates from these universities except UM as a partner in local law firm and local graduates normally only become a legal assistant. Impossible for them whole life become a legal assistant. So, where are them now?

This post has been edited by twgang: Dec 3 2010, 11:03 PM

ya i studying law in mmu. I thinking whether i should transfer to other college and start all over again my LLB. I already search online some big firms and that why i said majority of them from BVC and CLP but not from local universities that already obtained CLP exemption. If there is no different between BVC and local graduate, why so many ppl go for BVC?

I actually not really agree what u said because I found out that first batch of UKM law students graduated in 1990. (UKM) LLB programme in UiTM started on 1978. (UiTM) IIUM law programme started on 1983.(IIUM) Is it 20 years consider a short period? If compare to UK university, definitely 20 years consider a short period. Besides that, I think that 15 years experience in legal practice already eligible to become a partner of law firm. However, this is not what I saw in the reality. In Malaysia, majority partners come from BVC and CLP but not local uni. Thus, what I concern is whether my future will become like that if I continue study in MMU?

This post has been edited by twgang: Dec 5 2010, 05:45 PM

I absolutely agreed to what u said that future will depend on working attitude because there are too many lawyers in malaysia now. So, do u mind to tell me which legal firm u currently working in? Izzit majority partners of ur legal firm from local university? As u mentioned earlier, u had saw good lawyer from local uni, may i know which local university they from?

I recently do some research on which route I should go after I graduate from mmu but I cant even get any information because few lawyers that I know all graduated from overseas. Hence, can u provide me some info that which area of law i should go for after i graduate? Thank you.

This post has been edited by twgang: Dec 12 2010, 11:08 PM

Because some practising lawyer told me that better for me to choose now which area of law that I interested and focus on it during my study.

ya there are plenty of local grads in big firms but most of them onli a legal assistant. Majority partners from big or medium size firm were graduated from overseas. Local graduate onli consist of small portion. UM is onli the exception.

ya local graduate definitely have a very bright future in government but i think this onli for malay which I am a chinese. If I'm not mistaken, top ppl in AG chambers graduated from UM right?

What I concern is because I currently studying in MMU, I feel that the future like limited if continue study in mmu, honestly speaking until now nobody can prove to me that local graduate can success unless study in UM.

This post has been edited by twgang: Dec 14 2010, 07:35 PM

Below are the qualification of partners from 5 big firms in Malaysia:

Zaid Ibrahim & Co
5 from IIUM, 1 from UKM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=38)

Lee Hishammuddin Allen & Gledhill
1 from IIUM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=22)

Skrine
3 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=38)

Shook Lin & Bok
all from overseas or CLP (total=26)

Shearn Delamore & Co
1 from IIUM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=46)

*Pls take note that few partners from IIUM had continued their LLM at University of Cambridge or Harvard.
(Pls correct me if I have make any mistake)

Actually I had searched many legal firms beside of this 5 big firms but the answer is around the same. Hence, anymore legal firm that I required to look into??

Regarding the issue that which area of law I should concentrate, I concur that I will only find out when I come into chambering. Thank you for the advice provided.

Sry I not understand what statistic you want me to look into. Can u pls provide the link here?

I have a few guidelines for those students who still lost their way in choosing whether study in mmu or overseas for law.

For those brilliant and rich students, I would recommend you to choose overseas because mmu cannot provide the standard of education u expected. U should do ur own research on the malaysian law firm to find out which qualification of lawyer they will recruit and u will understand why i recommend you to study in overseas.

For those who not affordable for overseas, u should choose mmu unless u can enter into local uni because mmu is exempted from clp exam. Pls be aware that only around 30% passing rate for clp exam each year. If compare to local uni, clp is much diffficult to pass. Further, mmu is the only private institution which obtained clp exemption. If u wan to try for UOL, u may proceed but provided u must be a smart student because UOL really tough compare to other course.

I personally have 2 years experience study in mmu but nevertheless I had transferred to other college due to poor quality of the lecturers. HELP or INTI college is a best choice for you if u prepared to study in UK because their UK degree transfer programmes are recognised by the uni in UK to enter as second year student. These universities also recognised by Singapore. Pls bear in mind that none of a local university Malaysia recognised by Singapore.

If u graduate from UK, u can opt to study for barrister (BPTC) or solicitor(LPC) which these two professions are entitled u to practise in Malaysia without go through the CLP. U can always come back to sit for ur CLP if u wan so. In addition, u can also sit for Bar exam in Singapore(provided ur uni recognised by Singapore) to practise in Singapore. Those who graduate from Local university can only practise in Malaysia.

I hope that these guidelines will assist u in choosing ur uni to pursue ur LLB. Please dont hesitate to ask me if u got any doubt on my opinion.

Ya, it's correct that there's no guarantee on the clp exemption in mmu and this is one of the reason y i leave mmu.

FYI, only some BPTC institutions provider required 2.1 to study for BPTC but so far University of Manchester has guarantee me that even I graduate with second lower, I will be offerred a seat in BPP law school for BPTC. So, better I sit for BPTC rather than CLP.

I'm still doubt in this issue but so far I saw a few blog or online forum stated that can apply for exemption from minister of law and some of them have even successfully did so. So, anyone has success example that can share with me as to resolve my doubt?

Ya, that y I specifically mentioned that for those who r rich, u should study law in UK.

Definitely MMU not the only one who been granted exemption for CLP. Nevertheless, in my previous post, I had clearly mentioned that MMU is the only private institution been granted CLP exemption, while the others are local public universities, including UUM who has been granted on the same time with MMU. I didn't stop those who want to study for UoL external paper but I just showing that it was difficult. I also deliberately mentioned that MMU lecturers were not up to par. Isn't it?

This post has been edited by twgang: Jun 11 2011, 12:10 PM

R u sure? If u look carefully on that website, u will realise that even UM, Singapore also not recognised nowadays. Only those who commenced study in UM before 1st January 1994, then only they will recognise. In other words, for student who studying in UM today is actually not recognised by Singapore. Therefore, none of a local university Malaysia is recognised by Singapore at now.

This post has been edited by twgang: Jun 11 2011, 07:09 PM