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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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post Dec 17 2010, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(twgang @ Dec 15 2010, 04:49 PM)
Below are the qualification of partners from 5 big firms in Malaysia:

Zaid Ibrahim & Co
5 from IIUM, 1 from UKM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=38)

Lee Hishammuddin Allen & Gledhill
1 from IIUM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=22)

Skrine
3 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=38)

Shook Lin & Bok
all from overseas or CLP (total=26)

Shearn Delamore & Co
1 from IIUM, 2 from UM, others all from overseas or CLP (total=46)

*Pls take note that few partners from IIUM had continued their LLM at University of Cambridge or Harvard.
(Pls correct me if I have make any mistake)

Actually I had searched many legal firms beside of this 5 big firms but the answer is around the same. Hence, anymore legal firm that I required to look into??

Regarding the issue that which area of law I should concentrate, I concur that I will only find out when I come into chambering. Thank you for the advice provided.
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Do you know that the firms you listed actively market themselves to local uni students? Try going to those career fairs. If ur grates are good and you are impressive during the interview it doesn't matter whether you are a local grad or a foreign grad.

Anyway, u are under the wrong impression if you think that being a partner in a big firm is the be all and end all of everything. There are tons of very good medium and small firms out there. It isn't so much where u work but WHO you work for. Plus some of these medium and small firms pay their legal assistants and partners much better than the big firms.

jeremykkt
post Dec 21 2010, 02:54 AM

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Hi everyone. My name is Jeremy, a foundation in law student in MMU. Juz wanna join u all and understand more in this field. =)

btw, my english is not that good coz im chinese educated, hope u all dont mind. =)


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post Dec 23 2010, 04:01 PM

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thanks for such a informative post
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post Dec 25 2010, 02:57 AM

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Merry Christmas everyone !! biggrin.gif
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post Dec 25 2010, 11:21 PM

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Merry christmas to all of you!

actually i really am curious whether
there are any difference between Malaysian legal system
with English legal system?

Especially pertaining to JUDGES.

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post Dec 26 2010, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(neuroneuster @ Dec 25 2010, 11:21 PM)
Merry christmas to all of you!

actually i really am curious whether
there are any difference between Malaysian legal system
with English legal system?

Especially pertaining to JUDGES.
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if i'm not mistaken, the malaysian judges are playing a passive role and uk judges are playing active role.

passive role means, the function of judge is to conduct the trial, to observe the relevancy of evidences and its discovery. He is merely an adjudicator on the dispute.

then, active role is much of the burden of extracting the relevant facts and controlling the conduct of the parties fall upon the career of the judge who is specifically trained for that purpose.


and,

the judges in uk are appointed from high rank of barristers,
and the judges in malaysia are promoted from magistrate.


feel free to correct me, coz i not confirm whether is it true or not. biggrin.gif
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thanks for that. i actually do not know whether it is true or not,
i really want to know their difference. :--) thanks anyway, jeremy.
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QUOTE(neuroneuster @ Dec 26 2010, 10:36 PM)
thanks for that. i actually do not know whether it is true or not,
i really want to know their difference. :--) thanks anyway, jeremy.
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u r welcome. smile.gif


btw, google dont have answer??
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post Dec 27 2010, 08:00 PM

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no so far. i have searched everywhere from google, bing to yahoo but still didnt manage to find any.
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QUOTE(neuroneuster @ Dec 27 2010, 08:00 PM)
no so far. i have searched everywhere from google, bing to yahoo but still didnt manage to find any.
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I think, with regards to the role of judges in both of the countries are quite similar in which they both adopting adversarial system. Whereby the barristers/advocates and solicitors bear the burden to present the case and argue according based on their thought that is in the best interest of the party.


I came across in my reading in which it is stated that: A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. ~ H. L. Mencken

Humble view here, i would say Judges are nonetheless not one that even produced his examination papers but merely reiterate what is best justice by earing on each side of arguments presented by the barristers. Hence why, when there is no examination papers at the initial point, a judge cant be marking his own examination papers.

Unless by reiterating the arguments and added his two cents based on the fact is to be regarded as an 'examination papers'.

Hence, Judges didnt really take an active role in this sense.
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QUOTE(jhong @ Jan 2 2011, 08:14 PM)
I think, with regards to the role of judges in both of the countries are quite similar in which they both adopting adversarial system. Whereby the barristers/advocates and solicitors bear the burden to present the case and argue according based on their thought that is in the best interest of the party.
I came across in my reading in which it is stated that: A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. ~ H. L. Mencken

Humble view here, i would say Judges are nonetheless not one that even produced his examination papers but merely reiterate what is best justice by earing on each side of arguments presented by the barristers. Hence why, when there is no examination papers at the initial point, a judge cant be marking his own examination papers.

Unless by reiterating the arguments and added his two cents based on the fact is to be regarded as an 'examination papers'.

Hence, Judges didnt really take an active role in this sense.
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Agreed that we practice an adversarial system. We still argue and present our facts in court just like who it is in the UK. The judges are therefore playing an active role.
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Hi im new to this forum

does anyone know anything about Hong Kong Bar ?

do we get exemption from CLP after completing HongKong Bar ?

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post Jan 11 2011, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(YanZ1990 @ Jan 11 2011, 05:31 PM)
Hi im new to this forum

does anyone know anything about Hong Kong Bar ?

do we get exemption from CLP after completing HongKong Bar ?

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Perhaps a glance on this site will give you a picture.

http://www.hkba.org/admission-pupillage/general/index.html
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post Jan 11 2011, 06:27 PM

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yes i have looked at it after u've mentioned. thanks

i dont think there is a problem i wanna do their PCLL(HK bar) and get admitted into their bar.

do i still have to take CLP of malaysia to practice in m'sia ?? or do I get an exemption hehe thx
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QUOTE(YanZ1990 @ Jan 11 2011, 06:27 PM)
yes i have looked at it after u've mentioned. thanks

i dont think there is a problem i wanna do their PCLL(HK bar) and get admitted into their bar.

do i still have to take CLP of malaysia to practice in m'sia ?? or do I get an exemption hehe thx
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I heard its not easy to pursue their PCLL though.
I think, you'll still be required to sit for CLP and for this, you may need to consult Legal Profession Qualifying Board.
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QUOTE(YanZ1990 @ Jan 11 2011, 09:31 AM)
Hi im new to this forum

does anyone know anything about Hong Kong Bar ?

do we get exemption from CLP after completing HongKong Bar ?

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Always fall back to section 3 on the definition of a qualified person under the legal profession act.

your only possibility is under section 3(iii) and that is subject to the qualification being gazetted by the Qualifying Board in exercising their statutory powers.


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Hi all sifus,

just wanna to ask that like my case i possess ICSA and Degree in Business, if i intend to further pursue LLB..should i required to take up A Level as well in order to meet the requirement of CLP?

can i bypass taking up A Level and direct pursue LLB and CLP??

how much roughly in RM for taking up whole full legal studies in order to be qualified?

also, how long roughly in years for this process to be qualified?

so sorry for all to repeat / answer my question again if there was repeated / answered earlier.

really appreciate your all helps and advices. thanks so much in advance smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zennix @ Jan 16 2011, 10:18 PM)
Hi all sifus,

just wanna to ask that like my case i possess ICSA and Degree in Business, if i intend to further pursue LLB..should i required to take up A Level as well in order to meet the requirement of CLP?

can i bypass taking up A Level and direct pursue LLB and CLP??

how much roughly in RM for taking up whole full legal studies in order to be qualified?

also, how long roughly in years for this process to be qualified?

so sorry for all to repeat / answer my question again if there was repeated / answered earlier.

really appreciate your all helps and advices. thanks so much in advance smile.gif
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1) do you have any pre-u qualifications that may be considered A level/stpm equivalents?

2) you can "bypass" A level to take LLB, but you will need an ALE/STPM equivalent to take CLP

3) if UOL Ext LLB and CLP is your preferred route, about RM50k...but you will still have to undergo pupillage to be "qualified" as an A&S

4) roughly 3 years for LLB, 1 year for CLP then 9 mths for pupillage to be an Advocate & Solicitor


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post Jan 17 2011, 08:39 PM

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A person without background in business can get into MBA

1) is there any thing call Master of Law?

2) A person without background in law, can he do any such programme?

I read it somewhere, but im not so sure.

Thanks.

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post Jan 17 2011, 09:09 PM

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any london external programme law graduates here?i would like to know is there any difference between llb london external programme graduates and the foreign uni one?and will the holder of llb external programme be at the unfavourable position when applying for jobs?thanks in advance^^

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