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KiyoshiJoz
post Oct 21 2010, 09:34 PM

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hello..

I'm currently at my final year at Cardiff Uni
(it's recognised by the Malaysian BAR Should I choose to do my BPTC here)

however the problem with me is...

I do not want to go through the BPTC.. I'm more keen on being a solicitor
But as always we need a backup plan..

I need a backup plan that If I were to be a solicitor here..
I can be able to return to M'sia to be a qualified lawyer called to M'sian Bar

I know I'm picky..
but being a Lawyer back in malaysia is my back up plan...
(if possible i want to stay on and be a solicitor here but.. you guys know right.. times are hard)

"5.3 Pathway to become a Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Judicature England

The overview is basically the same as a Barrister-at-law in England with the exception of the vocational stage as well as the Inns.
A prospective solicitor will have to apply for the Legal Practice Course(hereinafter referred to as the LPC) during their final year for the Law Degree. Even after a prospective solicitor completed the LPC, he/she will not be entered on the roll until and unless a 2 years training contract as well as specified Continuing Professional Training is completed within a prescribed period.

Please refer to http://www.lawcabs.ac.uk/cabOnline/lpc.htm for more information regarding the application

*Every qualified person must have obtained at least a credit in BM and obtain an exemption certificate from the Qualifying Board prior to being called to the Bar in Malaysia, else the qualified person will have to sit for the Bahasa Malaysia Qualifying Examination."

Can anybody explain to me about this provision?
How do I become a Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Judicature England
the website provided is down btw.
I've tried googling with no success sweat.gif or maybe I didn't look hard enough
but its always nice to have a fellow malaysian to explain to me (=

awaiting replies..
Cheers!
KiyoshiJoz
post Oct 23 2010, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Oct 23 2010, 12:55 AM)
To be a qualified solicitor of the Supreme Court of Judicature in England, you need to satisfy 3 stages.

You need to complete your academic stage being an LLB, you need to complete your vocational stage being your LPC, and you need to complete your training stage being a trainee solicitor for 2 years upon completion of your vocational stage.

Once you've completed all these 3 stages in order, you'll be entered on the roll of solicitors.

You will then have 2 options. Practice in England as a solicitor or come back to Malaysia as a qualified person under Section 3© of the Legal Profession Act 1976 to proceed with pupillage before being admitted as an advocate and solicitor of the high court of malaya (or sabah and sarawak if applicable).

The risk is, if you complete your LPC but could not secure a training contract for2 years, you're not a solicitor and thus, not a qualified person under the LPA 1976. You cannot come back to Malaysia and practice as a qualifed person and will have to sit for CLP exams in order to be a qualified person.

You should start applying for training contracts NOW!!!

If you get a 2 year contract, then all is well. If you can't then you better think it through.

:-)

Without a 2 year training contract, you are merely an LPC holder and not a Solicitor.

It is different for the BPTC. Upon completion of the vocational stage being the BPTC, and upon completion of the required dining sessons and any other conditions imposed by you Inn, you will be called to the Bar of England and Wales. In short, you are a barrister-at-law even if do not do a 12 months pupillage in England.

The risk is reduced significantly.
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nice...

thanks for the explanation man..
so the only thing i need to do is secure a training contract right?
and by doing so and passing my LPC, i don't ahve to sit for my CLP back home right?

I'll try my best (=

soo.. anybody here currently working in the UK as a solicitor?
KiyoshiJoz
post Oct 23 2010, 05:37 AM

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after awhile.. you loose that passion.. and the profession becomes like any other.. just a job...

and the law profession requires lots of hard work in addition to interest.
KiyoshiJoz
post Oct 24 2010, 12:52 AM

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yes schizophrenic, so i've heard (=

it seems that they want to amend the law to the effect even Qualified BARRISTERS practicing in the UK who comes back to Malaysia will be required to sit for that examinations am i right?


QUOTE(M@Y @ Oct 23 2010, 06:59 AM)
What if a family want their child to be a lawyer in the family but one have no absolute interest in law to begin with? Just for the sake of the future and so on. Nothing is impossible but then, w/o interest to start with... Eventhough one is capable. Is it a right thing to go, for the child i mean? Is it possible, just to please the family?

I want your humble opinions on this situation. I think this is the right place to ask. Please, what do you say?
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my humble opinion is..

firstly..
do not loose heart that it's not what you want to do..
take the LLb as a stepping stone..

the LLb opens up a bigger path to many many other things..
parents want's what's best for us agreed?

take it seriously (the course) after that, decide on what you want to do..
explain to them with facts and details
don't just go to them and say "I want to be a cook"
explain why

hopefully they understand why.

the LLb course is a good subject in the sense that it helps you think critically
its one of the subjects where you are not required to be a robot..
there is no yes/ no answer..
It's all gray area
its how you persuade and argue your case..

you can take it positively and think what you can get out of the course
who knows you might even end up liking it (=
KiyoshiJoz
post Nov 20 2010, 01:27 AM

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update..

it is bloody tough to find a Training contract here in the uk..

I've already failed one application to Eversheds (one of the magic circle)
I didnt even get to the interview stage..
Defeated at Numerical Reasoning Test )=
(I also blamed myself for doing the test when I was so dead tired)


my advise for would be solicitors is to do those Test.. Only when you feel up to it..
Don't be like me.. tired like crap after an all-nighter study and do the NRT, LRT and VRTs...

I really wonder if I should continue and go for the LPC next year
I've already submitted my application


any thoughts and advise?
KiyoshiJoz
post Dec 9 2010, 01:36 AM

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hi..

guys I was wondering if anybody knows the procedure to qualify as a Solicitor in Australia?

As i've mentioned earlier.. I'm studying in the UK currently...
Finishing my LLb course next June

I am adding Australia to my list of options..

I'm planning to be a solicitor in melbourne or it's surrounding areas..
not too far out more towards City..

anybody knows how the process is like?
and what do i need to do to qualify..
is it tough to get a job there as a malaysian?

anybody with experience?


thank you in advance

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oh I'm just gonna state here.. getting a Training Contract here in the Uk is very very tough =s
I can't believe I'm saying this.. but so far I've applied to 2 law firms..
i failed one on the NRT tests... =s
the other one no reply..

that's why I'm thinking about other options..
CLP -> last option

doh.gif looks like ppl are not Sh*tting when they say its tough to get TCs in UK unsure.gif

This post has been edited by KiyoshiJoz: Dec 9 2010, 01:42 AM
KiyoshiJoz
post Mar 2 2011, 04:05 AM

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is SAM still recognised by the BAR council?

last I heard they were undergoing some changes.. A Levels is the only course where it is 99.9% confirmed to be accepted regardless of any changes done...

btw will the information on the first page be updated? rclxms.gif

some of the info is pretty outdated notwithstanding the fact that this thread is very very old smile.gif
we should update some of the info so as to reflect current situation

maybe include Australian BAR (and the major states)

cuz i need that info paiseh doh.gif
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