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TSmindstorm
post Jan 9 2008, 11:48 PM, updated 16y ago

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I share the same passion for competitive sports millions others have who loves to watch sports shows...but my passion is not for popular sports like football, UFC, boxing, horse racing etc but a very special one... fighting spiders, specifically the malaysian/singapore fighting spiders(THIANIA BHAMOENSIS)!

Here I share some of my adventures with you on my hunt for the ultimate super fighter which I plan to breed it.
Also searching for a new challenger for my current 1st king - bighead(pic below).
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Hopefully some others who still catch them can share their experiences too...

Why are they so facinating? Here's why...

Long fights (Winner fs Owner/Loser fs Owner By Clip Contributor)

6 minutes 11 seconds-Active fighting ~ 4 minutes, Breaks ~ 2 minutes
Longest fighting spider fight !! (14Aug2008) - This fight is simply a MUST WATCH. Astonishing. (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU-QHrgZH04
Blackie vs Razer REMATCH (21Aug2008) - Blood (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3N1vl0aP_c
(29s-fight,68s-break,12s-fight,18s-break,13s-fight)

3 minutes 40seconds.
Gila VS Lalang - Super long fight! Both a bit lethargic but there was a sudden burst of activity at last part to determine the winner! (Krauser/Koppao By Krauser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHRKOTrIV4Y

2 minutes 39seconds.
Lalang VS Destroyer-Long fight. After 1:30 technically it is just a hold... a very long hold up to a minute!
(Koppao /betweentheleaves By Krauser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ot_jFBhJw

2 minutes 35seconds.
Fighting Spiders - HOLY COW! 2min35s. Bro1 vs jack. Double arm bite. Start off with both leaping. (Mindstorm/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5qf3hEito

2 minutes 11seconds.(total contact time)
Fighting Spiders: Destroyer vs Jong's FS (Jong Wins)-a strange fight ending with the loser in critical condition. The initial active fight is about 25s followed by the smaller fs Jong injecting poison to the larger fs thus weaking him. After that it was a hold all the way with a bit of extra gripping with Destroyer being in a weaken condition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMW0KGXUGuQ

2 minutes 3seconds.
Pincer vs Bullet - MUST MUST MUST WATCH!!! - UNBELIEVABLE MATCH OF ALL TIMES. (?/? By Trevally)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRFry0uw-fw

1 minute 51seconds
Fighting spider - Cacaradon VS Robocop !!Another MUST WATCH. Superb long fight from 2 large kings and clearly taken.(Yuda/Ken25 By Koppao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI2-z96sfrI

1 minute 37seconds
Fighting Jumping Spiders - NEW RECORD TIME!!!(Bro1 vs Kelapasawit)Double arm bite. (Mindstorm/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqKxdiBDnxo

1 minute 35seconds
Cobra vs Jet Li 2nd Match-A very tightly fought match with 10second break(?/? By Trevally)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn7INpcZ2zM

1 minute 31seconds
Fighting Spiders: Newly Caught (Vega) vs Newly Caught (Sup pao) - Vega wins-a resilient onearm suppao in a fanastic match(betweentheleaves/Ken25 By betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O88P63jO5-M
Fighting Spiders: Gila vs Lalang (Gila wins) Rd2- Amazing underside thorax/troat attack!!! A near fatal match...(Krauser/Koppao By betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1jiMgqbkFI

1 minute 28seconds - One of the most awesome fight!! Incredible array of moves including chopping, flipping, breaking off, carrying, arm biting. A technical stop was impose to prevent serious injury otherwise fight could have ran longer.
Vanguard vs Oneteeth (16May2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRxUIUXJZMw
Fighting Spider - Hero / Cage - Superb match, with both fs fighting until like "standing" up. (Yuda's Friend/Trevally By KopPao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IkEkPHit4


1 minute 18seconds.
Nexus vs SpitFire Great active fight. (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlTA_kWNoKY

1 minute 12seconds.
Ajax VS Lalang - 25s active fight followed by a near deadly hold on leg(Jong71/Koppao By Krauser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCHFesyX_VE

1 minute 2seconds.
Fighting Spiders: TFM vs Batman (Batman wins)-exciting fight, alot arm bittings(?/? By betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOjJlw8GMt8

57seconds
Cobra vs Jet Li-Jet Li was 16 seconds being upside down and still won! Superb fight.(Fight may be longer than 1 minute as it was cut in the middle)(Trevally/Trevally By Trevally)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj3Ze4_zfDA

56seconds
Vanguard vs Eagle (17May2008)-arm and teeth holding bite (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzqgn6PpeZk

54seconds - fight and hold(20-54s)...tumbling fight in the begining
FIghting spiders1)(ksiao/ksiao By ksiao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e5u4tLUCcQ

50seconds
Fighting Spiders: Ah Gim vs Ah Seng (1)-very clear close up fight, can see the fs chop each other many times
(?/? By betweentheleaves)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjsEMt0HDVQ

48seconds(cut)
Hope vs Crossfire Double arm bite (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2cPR9z-ynQ
Spider vs Spider - Crazy Fight!(Kelapasawit vs Joe). Joe stunted for 10s. (Mindstorm/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgxzZNWka_I

47seconds(cut)(Krauser/simone W By Trevally )
Polo vs Nokia - not really a fight...a kill!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2LL8fOJfOc

46 seconds
Thunderhawk vs New FS (17May2008) - A long armlock fight (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x28K4RHlGI0

45seconds
Archilles vs Spartan. (video quality not so good) Great active fight. Tight Armlock. (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G26PXz5-25o
Crossfire vs Sigma (26Apr2008)- near death match, technical stop. Loser died few days later (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvYnghgwx5Q

43seconds-Breaks ~ 16s
Fighting spider - YangGuo VS Noobist-Superb and unique fight btw a chop and a 1arm, crazy fast flipping(Lonewolf1205 /KopPao By KopPao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Gn4y_Heg4

42seconds(cut)
Kaizer vs Nexus. Chop from far. Fainted and revived. (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7q1887DRgU
Xinan vs NFS2 (2May2008). Damn fierce. (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp-hNULlqTw
Sigma vs Oneteeth (22May2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istVVVnOR5I

41seconds
CrazyHorse vs Bluejade (CrazyHorse wins)-dmhlam"Hell of a fight!"(betweentheleaves/betweentheleaves By betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqcq0mPFWbo

34seconds
Ura's suppow vs Jong's suppow - Ura wins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmgBW5NS9Bs&feature=related

33seconds
Xonan vs Xinan (video quality not so good) Tight armlock (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjrieLOUL88
Hope Vs Crossfire Lotsa chop attacks (23/3/08) - fierce fight, feature hanging from tread(Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zsIUpPVL-o...re=channel_page

32seconds
Fighting spider - RootBeer VS killerChop(yuda) - Great match. Attempted jumpover by a chop which eventually lost to a normal FS.(Yuda/Yuda By KopPao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS-KB8hWQFs

30seconds.
Hope vs Xinan (video quality not so good) Injured winner (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpZ9BVltcc
Fighting Spiders: Terminator vs Robocop (Terminator wins)-A must watch! Clash of the Singapore Titans!(KENZ691/Ken25 By betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G3Gi3w15V8
Fighting Spiders: Hulk vs Pisang (Hulk wins)(Vincent/Vincent By betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4eR7Mr3MI

29seconds-3 second break
fighting spider - 1 arm vs 1 arm (KopPao/KopPao By KopPao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SengGxYjN_Q&feature=channel

28seconds
Fighting Spiders: Hulk vs Transformer (Hulk Wins)(Ken25/dreamchaser1 By betweentheleaves)
"Revenge of the Fallen"-aggresive fight ending with both fighter injuring one of their arms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXtOx1AGXZk
Fighting Spiders: Raven vs Spar1 (Raven wins)-A lot of teeth grinding(betweentheleaves/betweentheleavesBy betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu205nNsx1U

27seconds
Ketam vs Q.mp4 - Nearly break arm. Fierce fight. (Ura/Ura By Ura)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epNIlEcOWZ8

25seconds
Fighting spiders - 9_lily2_vs_jack_wmv. Feature carrying. Upsidedown fighting. Winner upside but still recover to win.
Very good fight. Unfortunately poor video quality. (Viper/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br5xrd2uyX0

24seconds
Ura's Ubin vs Ura's NTU - Bashed!(Ura/Ura By Jong71)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKNoK5V-Xkk
Fighting spider - Shin VS FarmMart(win)(?/? By KopPao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLNU41T4GXg&feature=related

23seconds
Draco vs GP (19Aug2008) - Blood (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348/+760
Celltel vs Riper (19Aug2008)-Double arm bite (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQzMd7bJag
Fighting Spiders: TFM vs Ah Seng's Newly Caught (TFM won)(dreamchaser1/Seng By betweentheleaves)-rated as one of the most exciting and ferocious match!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUlO8WAf74

22seconds
Trojan vs Scorpio (17Apr2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZTgVeR7e-4
Fighting Spiders - Record time!!! Incredible wrestling!!!(Bighead vs Archilles) (Mindstorm/Viper By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uPncA-m4Tk

21seconds(Krauser/Krauser by Jong)
GigavsDarkMatter (23June2009) 4s fight, break 5s, then fight 21s(Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvNbLMf99SY
Gila vs Polo 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVFwjcThaHI

20seconds
Hades Lost Vs Scorpio (2Apr08)- holding on to tip of arm at the last part(Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzLYhVZvj5U...re=channel_page
Kairo vs Chilli Padi (Kairo wins)(betweentheleaves/betweentheleaves by betweentheleaves)
An upside down fight lasting 14seconds! and still fighting after being upright for 6s!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Zq6N56Bew
Wayang VS Maim-lifting attempt(Krauser/Krauser by Krauser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anDCFQ2qbBg

19seconds
1 arm sup vs 3rd(dreamchaser1 /dreamchaser1 by dreamchaser1 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMyMEO06BRg
Fighting spider - Hulk VS Transformer (01/08/09) Round 4(Ken25/dreamchaser1 by Koppao )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UEZb6Vb0JQ

18seconds
Xinan lost. (17Apr2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y3Is5tAnmQ
Hope vs Hades (15Apr2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdoia5nIsw
Nexus (last fight) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myMTmOVQeyU
Quad vs Odin (27June2009)-1 arm and 1 leg broken in one match!(Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLiVH7VpooA...re=channel_page

17seconds
Spider Fight - scareycat vs pippy. First record time fight. Also one of the fastest chopping fight by 2 equal opponents.
Also feature top down position near end of fight like dog fighting! (Mangrovejumper/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CWi7EUOTQA

16seconds
bigMac VS YuDa (Yuda/KopPao By KopPao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZpoNwOxSGc...re=channel_page
Fighting spider - yangGuo VS tinyChop - one arm vs one arm(KopPao /KopPao By KopPao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QY9uxLJHM8

15seconds
Nexus vs Scorpio (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnpBsQh-UI
Fighting Spiders - Exciting 15 second match!. Winner(hope) got carried but still recover to win. Jumpover block by Hope. (Viper/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOVd9pdrDI
Fighting spider - Terminator body slam Tony(Ken25/Yuda's friend By Koppao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OKCKerK7SA
Gila vs Ajax(Koppao/Jong71 By Jong71 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_ou03MdMU

14seconds
Fighting spiders - 020208_bro1vstopman_14s (Mindstorm/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzk1sfCITGE
Fighting Spiders - Kelapasawit. 3rd clip. Also feature a doubleflip. (Mindstorm/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAXqI5ky1Y
Slayer vs Xonan (30Apr2008). Also shows Xonan moved into flank position to attack from side. Fast action. (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pr549DIK5I
Slayer vs Thunderhawk (3May2008). Possible the longest pushing fight. Pushing about 11 seconds with slight half chops in between. (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZeQkHAUjww
Fighting Spiders - gleneagles vs hope (Viper/Viper By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6trLS2Vz9qE
Celltel vs Riper (30July2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nz0AxjR2xM
Ranger vs Hisoka(Trevally/TrevallyBy Trevally)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8C2g9uVaSs
Hulk VS Transformer !! (rd 1)(Ken25/dreamchaser1 By Koppao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhoFpA0I1vY

13seconds
Ranger vs Hunter(Trevally/TrevallyBy Trevally)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uALo4BlGjh4

12seconds
Fighting Spiders - Longman vs Jack (Mindstorm/Mindstorm By Mindstorm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW00y9Zb_rs
Thunderhawk vs Oneteeth (4May2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiW3Iar_jEY
Oneteeth vs Hope (17May2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y05u-6BHbjk
Fighting Spiders: Terminator vs Chilli Padi (Terminator wins)-A much smaller fs putting up a terrific fight against the largest Titan! Even having a doubleflip!(Kenz691/betweentheleavesBy betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC6q8hMTPBg

11seconds
Xonan vs Scorpio (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aKfdgEEGC4
Fighting spider - 5 chops(KopPao /KopPao By KopPao )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgtNBgYX_c
Solo VS Xiao Kia(Krauser/Simon By Krauser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3_iec_hgMY

10seconds
Fighting spider - 8 chops (Great fight) (Trevally/Trevally By KopPao )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uqDtmXXfqE
Fighting Spider - 5 chops until upside Down (also feature doubleflip)(KopPao /KopPao By KopPao )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1izkL2_8B5U
Fighting Spiders: Carnage vs "Garden Fighter" (Carnage wins)(?/? By Betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a16rkYkknmA
Fighting Spiders: Remembrance of Chilli Padi: The Last Victory(?/? By Betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWRtoe5dLY
Fighting Spiders: AhSeng's Fighter Sup pao (?/? By betweentheleaves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33dEMh4lcyw
Green vs 7 Legs Chop(?/? By trevally)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBincVWB7LM

Other good fights(less than 10 seconds)
Riper vs Unknown Rd2 (15July2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uC0XePQ6OQ
Fighting spiders 11-21-07 (Mindstorm/Mangrovejumper By Mangrovejumper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtvqJaaMk98
Blackie vs BlackSeth Rd1 (24July2008) (Viper/Viper By Viper)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J80yZSjaH24
Ken's VS mine - both caught at Fernalve (Kenz/KopPao By KopPao )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fWq76nNH2Q
Fighting spider - U Ken VS Hero(Yuda/Yuda's friend By KopPao )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pf02LeQY0M

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Death match
Kaizer killed its sparring partner,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW0OVu2VCoU
Fighting Spiders - Destroyervsioimm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUJcAv9V-f4
Fighting Spiders - Xinan vs Bro1. Bro1 died next day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ac8q0Xn_0Y
Fighting Spiders - Hope vs Jack. Bloodied fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJW6lDpWV-g
Chaos vs Xinan - FATALITY(18May2008) - an incredible overshot chop by Xinan
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Post...&p=15062785&st=
Riper vs Unknown (Fatality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ZG3CEZnlg
fighting spider - bigMac vs smallChop2 (death)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wtf8OHICmQ...re=channel_page
Fighting spider - (CoupleChop) VS (YuDa's Chop) = death
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1SfY8qU1u4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRl3Fn_S3PY(follow up)
Gila vs Mini-chop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD4gLUjyEVU


Bloody fight
Fighting spiders - jackvsbigleave. Jump-over-abdomen biting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCl9Y1vViNs
Fighting spiders - Shocking. 6 leg died next day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFmmAnYaKHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd-jmq7RuGI (follow up)
Fighting jumping spiders - Jack vs Bighead. Jump-over-abdomen biting. Bighead did not die next day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NneYbMGFHBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrpYYbe_bw (follow up)
See also Death match hope vs jack.
Kelapa Sawit FS flip attack and bite abdomen. (23June2008)-the victim got thrown/flipped and then attacked from behind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0xEwAaPpQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nHqTqbW7ds (follow up)
Bloody Fight (29July2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LSKM16S-LU
After bloody fight (29July2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qGGXKQfjIE
Riper vs Draco Rd2 (24Aug2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al5EHWcUAAY

Blood spitting
Spitting out blood (11Aug2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pMbzlfAGgs

Arm breaking
Trojan vsVanguard (20Apr2008). Also most spins/position exchange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqCQNZiTCTg
Fighting Spiders - Jack vs Smallchop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke5dZbnTxks
Fighting Spiders - Longman vs Joe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUlZPG6fyUc
ThunderHawk vs Scorpio (4May2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Jqt0-D8lc
火云邪神 VS Siao Siao
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_E9IXeQD0
Chaos vs normal FS rd2 (15June2008)...Leg broke, not arm.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=96hxthqf9iU
Fighting spider - Leg Broke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnO1ByRI9Ow
Seriously injured - Funny commented clip. One arm fs causing another 2 arm fs to be one arm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIXzhN74P2c...re=channel_page
Quad vs Valor (27June2009)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qiTBW9E6KA...re=channel_page

Chop
CrossFire won vs Vanguard (17Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qESVDDkzle0
Trojan fast chop attack (16Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbONUKq838
Hades vs CrossFire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiEvJZERrtA
Hades vs Crossfire Round2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0riPsSj42U
Crossfire chop Xinan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNYBq5r37yE
Kaizer bloody chop attack!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzFr6tcpGMw
Hades vs Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Doxi1JLNGA
Vanguard vs Eagle (30May2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6zYQEMlU8k
Hope vs FS (30May2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=799VbqoWKEE

Far jump chop
Trojan fast chop attack (16Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbONUKq838
Vanguard vs D3 (15Apr2008). Fierce fight. Longest chase after fight. Forced to jump building. Good 10-13s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sj5lBdrlH0
Fighting jumping spiders - smallchopvsbro1. Arm aiming chop. Also small win big.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGVXpuX3uuA
Hades vs ThunderHawk (30Apr2008). Double jump chop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0vef5xBY2s
Scorpio vs Oneteeth Rd1 (2May2008). A jump aimed high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gufTkQgjxKo
Vanguard vs Eagle (22May2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXgo6lO4ASQ
FS - Marauder (won) Trooper(nice close-up of a lighting fast jump attack)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE5TG_jauDw

Fainted
Fighting Spiders - Joe vs Topman. Topman died next day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yc7O_xezvE
see also 42seconds fight.

Side leg biting
Fighting Spiders - Nightstalker vs Hope. (stopped after 56seconds). Hope stunt after match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW7aVRcPic0

Fighting-on-tread
Xinan vs Xonan (Fought in the air hanging by web). Total 28seconds. About 16seconds in the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lduqjOlnMZc
Scorpio vs Xinan Round 2. Retreat and fight again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSvVl2f13YM

Double flip
Scorpio vs CrossFire Round1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf9HhJgonRo
Fighting spiders-The doubleflip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izD0l0ARMBs
Fighting Spiders - x2_vs_smallchop2ndround(poor video quality)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbgpkRLMSk
Fighting spider - PasirRis VS coupleChop - 9 seconds fight... Great fight(small win big?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luAa7uTgG4g

Good fight from a one arm spider
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W21yTL_UogA
Fighting Spider - (1Arm Adam) v.s. Adam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=548Z7Pd7Hfk

Best chop from a one arm spider
Fighting spider - 1ArmBlue sneak a chop at YuDa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zSGiP-2zD8...re=channel_page

Chop vs Chop
fighting spider - babyChop vs babyChop2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0dGAVmbZ4...re=channel_page
See also 2 minutes 35seconds.
Fighting spider - (coupleChop) VS (yuda Admirity chop) - ended in draw where both retreated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7TBSjZXnhY
Easter vs P rd1.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4-QqwqtnvE
Easter vs P rd2.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAx3w5X4FN0&feature=channel

Spinning fight
malaysian fighting jumping spider(lumpy vs quietman, 7seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXALyaGSk30
See also Arm Breaking - Trojan vsVanguard

Longest grip. One and half minutes. And a deadly grip
Darkstar vsThunderhawk Rd3 (20Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8z8ciuBryY

Dragging
Kaizer chop opponent till upside down!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBVSHVA3_uc
Thunderhawk chop attack 2 (20Apr2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xwElUvJeY

Draw
Thunderhawk chop attack 1 (19Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2nw7vM-FyI
CrossFire won vs Vanguard (17Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qESVDDkzle0
Sigma vs Thunderhawk (10May2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LWNs_ev-cA
Celltel vs Draco Rd1 (21Aug2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbb9K09Zzsk
Draco vs GP Rd1 (24Aug2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbxgDqVQ2zQ
Fighting spider - draw match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHEVJpNvNrM


Big FS fight
Hades vs Sigma (26Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ZdSbcTF_M
see also 22seconds fight. Bighead vs Archilles
see also 45seconds fight. Archilles vs Spartan.
Hades vs Chaos Rd2 (3May2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2xPUAEhsCI
Hades vs Sigma Rd1 (4May2008). Far jump chop by Hades. Rapid retreat while still fighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aIJ5nCj2zg
Celltel VS Riper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nz0AxjR2xM...re=channel_page
Fighting spider - YuDa's 1st VS 2nd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpGgIkJzwVw
Fighting spider - Joy / Terminator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riJtU6w8vUM


Small win Big
Hades vs CrossFire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiEvJZERrtA
Fighting Spider - Smallchop vs Topman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KrdfoNPCUY
Fighting Spiders - Bro1 vs Longman. 9 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N03zQ3fYIIs
Xonan vs Hades 9Apr2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny4r82h1qOc

Small vs Big-small lose but put up excellent fight
Fighting spiders - babyChop vs Adult
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34y4m9SoY_M&feature=channel
Fighting spider - small VS Big (3chops)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRGWdtncWg
tiny vs BIG = No Fight ... with funny sound effects. Haha!(small fs with one arm some more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OfauE7wT5I


Fall from stage, but still continue fighting
Spider fight - Ferocious fighting spider wrestling!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62TF2hXmzI

Long push
SpitFire vs Kaizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06if7H8euik

Throw
Fighting spiders - The throw!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL4usAnxFlk
Fighting Spiders - Scorpio vs Xonan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M88tU0ITv8
Fighting Spiders - Bronze vs Justine(first clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9xNHsPgZKE

Carry
Thunderhawk vs NFS (3May2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpkgEjP34dc

Bowl over
Fighting Spiders - Jack vs Lily2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9yz9uiOBy4
Fighting jumping spiders - 080308 mix(Third clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZv8p1oCus
Riper vs Celltel (19July2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKTka3brpj0

Upside down biting to win
Spider fight(Jack trashes Bro1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO09UnObWvQ
Also see Death match - Hope vs Jack

Body Slam
Xinan vs Scorpio (7Apr2008). Also block chop attack by Scorpio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvgTR10i7-A

1 arm lock, 1 arm pushing
Riper vs Unknown..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uC0XePQ6OQ...re=channel_page

Tip of arm biting & spinning tactic!
Fighting Spiders: Sea vs AhSeng's Fighter2 Sup pao (Sea won)

Good close-up chops
FS - Goblin (won) vs Harry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b4Ic_K4wEc
FS - Goblin (won) vs Jabber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAoMR63MSUw

Retreat and fight back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhgCpRHvWsg...re=channel_page

Defense tactics

Underside grabing(to prevent being thrown)
Fighting spiders - Throw prevention and Arm Biting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37YbgDt6xfU

Counter to jump-over tactic
Fighting Spiders - Jack vs X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT2S-M6JLZ0
Fighting Spiders - Jack vs Kelapasawit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5-i01V8crw

Flip/trip opponent to escape
Darkstar Chop flip (19Apr2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPYc-Ig0U2g
Fighting Spiders - Longman vs Redleaf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2kqw8dMUks
GP vs Razer (24Aug2008) - Remained upside down for 22s! Blood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JV0_qZN75U

Retreat tactic
GP vs Hunter (30Aug2008) - 13s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEGBnOfJCL4

Others

Don't Let Go
Fighting Spider - dont let go(43 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH8jNOmAglU
Fighting spider - chop & disappear !(9 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ent_DY3ycPE
Fighting Spiders: Terminator vs Ocean (Terminator wins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfRZsvvqKcs
Fighting Spiders: Tengah (Sup Pao) vs Tioman (Tengah Wins)(36 seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZecICaSyBo


Buay Steady Fights!
thinLeaf VS chop(yuda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99qwj0CF_w
Fighting Spiders: Grip vs Tengah Rd2 (Grip wins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ka0-TbKXg

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Cool spiders.. but small and hard to breed it. ^^
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Venue - Puchong Perdana
Reason there - working afternoon
Venue type - Wasteland in new housing area
Plant type - Big leaves on dry land, jungle type plants
Insects - mosquitoes, ants, grasshoppers

Catch - 2 females-bluish color, quite fierce
Disappointing as no males but did saw one medium size one which i didnt catch.
Saw wild chickens there, rooster and hens which flew away. There is good soil there which I collected to
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Cool spiders.. but small and hard to breed it. ^^
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Worth a try. Man has successfully bred many types of seemingly impossible to breed animals eg panda, arowana and all sorts of CITIES ones. It's not really that hard to breed fighting spiders. It's the rearing of the young that is tough.

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Date - 20/12/07 (Thurs)
Time spent - 11am - 12.30pm
Venue - Puchong Utama
Reason there - working afternoon
Venue type - Behind school waste land
Plant type - mostly surrounded by non fighting
spider plants but several spiders caught in this small patch of combination of tapioca
plants and water type long leaves plant(which
roots has nodules), Shaded by old rambutan tree
Insects - lots of mosquitoes

Catch- 4 males
Size - small medium to medium large
1st king - All_black(last 2 pics) - almost full body black - medium large (but no show when fight big head, only long push)
2nd king - young male - small medium, let go - no show when fight All_black
2 medium size unmatured male

26/12/07 - The 2 medium size unmatured male
changed skin
They changed on the same day indicated they're probably from the same batch hence i call them
bro1 and bro2 cuz they're probably brothers

bro1 - changed first in the day, i gave water
to it, slightly larger
bro2 - changed late at night - between 10-11pm
slighty smaller
First encounter after 1 day between bro1 and bro2 - bro1 takut
2nd encounter 3 days after changed - short pushed - bro2 ran
After that bro2 is takut even though fed with mosquito filled with blood on the 2/1/07
One week into Jan - 2 brothers are no longer takut and will always gear up for a fight
This shows that popular believe that light coloured spiders with white legs are lousy fighters are true only
to a certain extend...that's because they have just newly shed their skin. Given time when they mature and their
exoskeleton hardens they can become formidable warriors. People who used to catch spiders only see the spiders
at one point in time. No one really follow how spiders can peak in their fighting performance over time.
To understand the concept, check out this very interesting article on fighting fish on the part "On the problem of change". http://www.plakatthai.com/knowingyourfighterII.html

others
there is sugarcane plants nearby but no fighting spiders at all as living environment is too harsh
caught 2 different type of spiders(freed them after taking photo) - view pic

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Time spent - 6-7pm
Venue - Puchong Utama
Reason there - Half day morning
Venue type - Wasteland in middle of malay kampung area
Plant type - Wild pepper leaves, plenty of shade by coconut trees

Only found one large female and one small male
Quite dissapointing as the place looks very conducive for fighting spider. Lots of mosquitoes, grasshoppers.
Maybe school children may have catch them or maybe area is for cows to wander about as there is a kandang nearby.
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Date - 2/1/08(Wed)
Time spent - 8.30am - 9.15 am
10.30 - 11.30am
Venue - Klang Utama
Reason there - fix computer, working afternoon
Venue type - Roadside deserted land, opposite is some shophouses
Plant type - Shade - Banana trees, Jungle trees, ground - soft small leaves plant
Insects - insanely lots of mosquitoes, fruit flies, gnats, ants

Catch - 7 males
Overall size - x-small to medium small
2 - x-small
2 - takut
all freed

Kept
1st king - Klang1
2nd king - Klang2
3rd king - Klang3
Age group - all matured
Size - all medium small

Fight after catch(name on left is winner)
Klang1 vs Klang2 - triple chop
Klang1 vs Klang3 - long push

10th of Jan - still keeping Klang1 and Klang2 but Klang3 has been killed by ants... opps

Comments
The males were pretty hard to find. The type of plant they made their nest in was for me the first encounter as the
leaves were small and soft, not typically spiders like as a heavy downpour would certainly spoil the nest. However most

probably the dense banana trees helped to soften the impact of raindowns.

Even though the area is invested with natural food source, the spiders are not large. This gets me thinking food
availability does not wholly dictate the overall size of population.

didn't bring my camera so no pics..maybe another day I go back to snap a few.

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Date - 5/1/08 (Sat)
Time spent - 5.10pm - 7.00pm
Venue - Puchong
Reason there - Off day, waiting for wife while getting a hairjob (3 hours)
Venue type - Behind shopping complex, Mining area turned into sand factory, next to large mining lake where sometimes ppl go to fish(but not popular)
Plant type - Shade - Tembusu, pretty shady next to lake, ground - soft small leaves plant, creepers, ferns...mostly not favourite of fighting spiders
Insects - mosquitoes, many fruit flies, gnats, ants

Didnt expect much and did not get much either. Caught a fat mature female, saw a female with eggs but did not catch it. Last minute as i was going home and was getting dark, i caught a small male in soft leave creeper leaves. Also some areas with fighting spider young but cant find the adults. Caught a hantu kuning male. Saw a big monitor lizard swimming along coast of lake.

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Date - 7/1/08 (Mon)
Time spent - 4.15pm - 6.00pm
Venue - TA, PJ
Reason there - Sent stocks to ss14, half day
Venue type - Public park but hot(meaning place where lots of spiders) area is behind some rich houses, quite unaccessable to general public, no one wants to go there anyway
Plant type - ALOT of ground creepers, lalang and plants-shin-deep. Near hot area are fruit trees, small soft leaves plants and long leaves plant, pandan.
Insects - lots of mosquitoes, many fruit flies, gnats, ants, grasshoppers

This is one heck of an adventure.

I used to catch here way back in the 80s when I was form one, form two. Back then the hot area was a slope area of wild pepper leaves behind a couple of houses. The spiders then I caught before got big ones but I remember they dont fight well or rather not really ferocious. Also one day when I was going there, a six foot cobra i think cross my path! But it didnt deter me, I still when ahead to catch my spiders! Back then also I remember had water rats there.

Now some parts of it is already been develop a bit better but now... the path to the hot area seems even harsher! They are shin-deep and thick and if I didnt where my long tracks it would be hell to walk through a hundred meters or so through those plants.

It's been a long long time(20 years) since I've been there and I didnt know what to expect. So i just walked. I tried to walk along a drain near the backyard of the houses but then a couple of small dogs ran out and yelp so I walked further away from the houses. I saw some trails that look like flatten plantation here and there and I followed them, thinking well someone may have walk through these wilderness before. I started off by catching a hantu kuning male at the base of a banana tree and as I near the old hot area I realize the slope area I used to squat around is now behind a fence and the wild pepper plants are gone and replaced with tall trees and shrubs the land claimer has planted. Also the house owner near there also seems to have planted other plants like pandan leaves, bamboo, bunga raya plants outside the private compound which I can just walk right up to. But I didnt go up to it first but walk around the area further from the houses where there are some short trees which I tried to find spiders. The plants away from the houses are those small soft leave plants and grasses which are not really conducive for fighting spiders. However to my surprise I found 2 small medium size males wandering about there. It was then
4.42m and I saw some clear areas under a small tree and as I look some more, I saw some feathers on the ground on a small patch of clear land. At that time, I taught gees... dont tell me got musang here. But this is in the middle of PJ. Just as I walk a few more steps and turn to look behind some shrubs, I saw a HUGE monitor lizard and it saw me and it scrambled away. Damn was I startled! It was about just 6 feet away and was probably basking in the sun. It was about 4 feet in body length (excluding the tail) and had a fat stomach. Damn, I didn't run away but thought it was better to walk the other way! Slowly I approach the backyards and the plants I saw was more of fighting spider favourite. There were LONG leave plants. I saw a small one here and there and knew some where must be a hot spot.

Then I came to this patch of land cleared away by someone to plant a coconut tree there. There I saw a male peering around for food. After i caught it and standing in the same spot, I saw another male with female to my right. Before I catch it, I peered around and saw ANOTHER male to my left looking around for food from a nest. Further to my left I also saw a big female peering out from its nest(got eggs and I didnt catch it). As i was about to catch the spider to my right first(which eventually was the biggest one..big guns), a third male was walking up my leg! Also a female was walking nearby...apparently I probably stepped on a nest as I was trying to catch the male to my right! Long story short, I caught all 3 males. 5.15pm. Suddenly large rain drops started hitting me...but I saw another nest (same standing spot)and decided to just tear off the leave. Another male! That makes FIVE males on one standing place!! Now this is what I call a rich area.

Before I could celebrate, it started to rain cats and dogs. I walked quickly(can't run...the growth around is too thick) to the land patch which had been worked and seeked shelther next to a large bunch of bamboo trees. but it was utterly useless as it was raining as hard as hell. I was totally absolutely soaked to my underwear. Drenched. I had to keep my camera in a plastic bag. I hang around there for maybe 15 min and then said wat the heck, might as well walk my to my car as it was also getting late. So I made my way back through the thick growth in maximum drowpour, back to my car which was another probably 400 meter away including through the park. Back on the park's walkway, I walked passed people shelthering under some park shelther but I didnt stop. Finally I reached my car and started to drive back...and then the rain subsided. Around 6.00pm. I made a puddle of water on my car rubber flooring and though... what a evening, but it was well worth it.

Catch
7 males
2 females
1 hantu kuning male - big
1 hantu kuning female

5 turned out to be takut!
Dont know wheather fighting them at 8.00pm has anything to do with it. Cause the spiders are not vigourous and looked lethargic and wanting to sleep.
1st king - big gun
2nd king - top man

I was hoping big guns would take the spot of bighead but that is not to be as it even lose to all_blacks.
So big gun is now currently 3rd king because it beat klang1 and klang2.

Bighead ranking stands.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 9 2008, 11:50 PM)
Date - 19/12/07 (Wed)
Time spent - 10.30am - 12.45pm
Venue - Puchong Perdana
Reason there - working afternoon
Venue type - Wasteland in new housing area
Plant type - Big leaves on dry land, jungle type plants
Insects - mosquitoes, ants, grasshoppers

Catch - 2 females-bluish color, quite fierce
Disappointing as no males but did saw one medium size one which i didnt catch.
Saw wild chickens there, rooster and hens which flew away. There is good soil there which I collected to
plant plants.


Added on January 9, 2008, 11:54 pm

Worth a try. Man has successfully bred many types of seemingly impossible to breed animals eg panda, arowana and all sorts of CITIES ones. It's not really that hard to breed fighting spiders. It's the rearing of the young that is tough.
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Yeah.. thats what I'm trying to say heh.
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Hahaha like a journal oni. Anyway, very interesting! Please continue biggrin.gif
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Interesting indeed. Im really interested with those spiders when i was small. Now no chance to catch them already.

Btw, i supposed the one that were used for fighting is the black coloured one rite ?
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Jan 10 2008, 05:55 PM)
Interesting indeed. Im really interested with those spiders when i was small. Now no chance to catch them already.

Btw, i supposed the one that were used for fighting is the black coloured one rite ?
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Yeap, the black one. But usually it izit so dark. Normally its colour patterns are like the first picture(just posted) in this forum. But they will turn darker as they grow older or kept in dark containers which I don't recommend.
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Date - 9/1/08 (Wed)
Time spent - 4.30pm-5.30pm ...in the car!!
Venue - Ampang
Reason there - Off day, collect photos from my relative
Venue type - Behind Jalan Ampang
Plant type - Shade - Big jungle tree(dunno name), ground- wild pepper leaves..favourite of fighting spiders
Insects - lots of mosquitoes, fruit flies, gnats, red ants

This is actually a sad story. Firstly I didnt catch anything on today because it started raining heavily 5 mins after I got out of the car. Enough time to take some pics only. I waited for about an hour but the rain didnt stop so I decided to balik.

But sadder still is because this spot is going to be gone forever as development has caught up. Earlier last year I discovered this spot because my wife worked nearby and I wandered around when I could see some undeveloped area. I caught many large and good fighters from here. It was really a rich(many spiders) area. Unfortunately at that time I didnt buy my videocam and digicam yet so I have no pic or video documentation of my catch and fights back then.

But now 3/4 is behind a zinc fence where new buildings are coming up leaving a small patch...i dunno still got spiders there as I also realize there is a lot less insects there now. In probably a few more months or weeks I think this place will be flattened as well...sigh. I'll be coming back soon to quickly save some of the population and maybe deport some of them elsewhere. Meantime here are some pics.

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Yeah.. thats what I'm trying to say heh.
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Yeah, guess u're rite as breeding encompass rearing the young as well. I meant mating them is not that difficult as long as you catch virgin females... yes, these spiders seems to breed only once in their lifetime. Once after a female has eggs it seems impossible to get them to mate again. I have a video on their mating. Will link it once I post it up on youtube.
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I like u seriously....Very very interesting.....Keep it up...


Added on January 11, 2008, 6:27 pmAnd I noe that when u open the leaf and saw their eyes is white color normally is Male and their butt is small....I used to catch last time too....I even sell to others at RM5.....LOL

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Wow.. nice spider catch. Makes me feel wanna go to my housing area nearby bushes and catch some also. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 12 2008, 03:16 PM)
Wow.. nice spider catch. Makes me feel wanna go to my housing area nearby bushes and catch some also.  icon_idea.gif

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Haha, let me know if u get some.

Actually after form 2, I too sort of stop playing spiders too cuz of SRP and spiders seems like a small kid pastime. Boys were getting interested in girls, video games, sports, cars and other stuff. Strangely I remember I started catching them again when I was form 6! That was because at that time I went to stay with my grandmum in seremban and her house has a huge garden with natural living fighting spiders! I even purposely went to collect wild pepper plants and plant it in her garden and after several months I caught a couple of large males!(usually their size only medium small). That time I played fighting spiders to relieve my stress as i was studying like miminum 3-4 hours a day during weekdays and 6-8 hours a day during weekends. Gees, form six was tough. Luckily fighting spiders save my sanity..hehe.

Nowadays, hardly anyone catch them, because the living environment for most kids is so different from last time. Xbox, network games(I too was once a starcraft kaki smile.gif), internet and astro are so much more interesting AND COMFORTABLE options i suppose. This bring us to the fact that there is a very very big deterent to catching spiders. MOSQUITOES. Haha. Without proper attire and a good MOSQUITO REPELLENT, even I would't want to spend half a minute in those type of environment where you would expect to get many spiders. (Even though I am immune to mosquito bites, meaning I dont get a reaction when I get bitten. Not immume to deague or malaria though, how i wish)

Proper attire
1. Long tracks(the plastic type)
2. Shoes and long socks
3. THICK T-shirt(if u wear thin t-shirt, u mati la...those mosquito will bite right thru it)
4. For mosquito repellent I recomment OFF! cream. It is better than citronella based ones. I also sometimes have a citronella patch on my shirt for extra anti-mosquito power. Get them from a pharmacy. I make sure I apply cream even on my face, forehead, ears, back of neck and back of hand.

For gear, I have a waist pouch, about 10 small transparent pill containers, a pair of scissors and a large transparent plastic bag and a small one to catch some insects for my spiders while I'm there.

That's it, with a canon ixus I'm off to document my adventure.


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QUOTE(pitinn @ Jan 11 2008, 03:32 PM)
I like u seriously....Very very interesting.....Keep it up...


Added on January 11, 2008, 6:27 pmAnd I noe that when u open the leaf and saw their eyes is white color normally is Male and their butt is small....I used to catch last time too....I even sell to others at RM5.....LOL
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yeap that't the most interesting part... seeing the white face. I remember i sold for rm3 only. Ur gang must be more interested in fighting spiders than mine back then.
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Yeah.. in the morning wanted to go for jogging and plan to try search for fighting spider also. rclxms.gif

My house front area have some bushes so i go check out.. whoila.. got fighting spiders. Try check in between the leaves got about 2 males spiders. Check here and there found more spiders ! Some are young average size spider about 5 sen size, and some adult spiders.. about 10 sen size. Since its just in front my house area, i decide to go jogging 40 minutes 1st, later only come back
catch some to take pics. tongue.gif

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After jog, check the spiders still there. Caught the 1st one.. abit averagel size.. Easy catch.. just put it into a toothpick plastic case. Saw an adult spider, try to catch.. but its run and jump off from tree
very fast.. doh.gif Seems like my spider catching technique karat ady... Try seach again in between the leaves.. found about 2-3 of small spiders. Duwan catch coz too small ma..

Later caught an adult spider.. bigger than the 1st one. I just let it jump onto my finger..

About like 10 sen or my thumb fingernail size
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Wanna fight with me? Nolar.. i think he wanna leap to my camera. tongue.gif
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Start running around my hard and arm.
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Put in in a big plastic case. I think use this case to scoop leaves which got big spider is a sure catch.. lol

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I tried let the spiders fights but the small one seems kecut when see the big ones.. he just fight awhile den ran off.

So i decided to release the small ones and try find another bigger adult spider to fight. Found another leaves with spider inside.. i try press the leaves slowly.. an adult spider run out and jump off.. it ran too fast ady. This spider is definitely big.. i think its bigger than the earlier adult spider i caught.. to bad man. cry.gif I should use the big plastic case to scoop it.. but cant coz i put the earlier catch inside ady.. sweat.gif

Try search some more but all small spiders only. Since cant find any other adult spider to fight, i decide to release the earlier adult spider back to where i caught it earlier.
Its just in front of my house only.. i feel its better to let it roam free and find its own food.

I got some video of the spider caught.. but short clips.. quality oso so so.. coz hard to control 2 spiders and camera at the same time.. lol.. will try to upload here later.


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Wow.. that kind of place u go for spider hunting.. maybe good for snake hunting too tongue.gif
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He's an expert.. check out his equipment and clothes when go for spider hunting.
See the video also.. his spiders also are good fighters.

If me... i don't dare to go those high bushes which is dense and deep deep area ....duwan to get scared by snakes or lizards. shocking.gif
I prefer go those area which got daun sirih, banana trees, or those short less dense bushes.
Normally i just open the leaves which have spider nest, press it slowly and let the spider come out and jump onto my hand. rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(leetplayer @ Jan 13 2008, 04:37 PM)
Wow.. that kind of place u go for spider hunting.. maybe good for snake hunting too tongue.gif
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Went for another spider hunting this evening, this time at my housing area bananas tree.
Caught another average size adult spider. This one its nest is quite big coz its a banana tree. Saw few dead insects inside its
nest. After few attempts managed to get the spider out from its nest. Hurray.


Heres the pictures.

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normally their nest is in between leaves stick together with their web,last time used to catch them in my neighbors garden
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I think in the jungle like TS always go and catch that type of place the spider is really really fierce....Not like in the pandan leave one....haha...Whole body black in color also very fierce and it is always a male.....

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 13 2008, 07:07 AM)
Went for another spider hunting this evening, this time at my housing area bananas tree.
Caught another average size adult spider. This one its nest is quite big coz its a banana tree. Saw few dead insects inside its
nest. After few attempts managed to get the spider out from its nest. Hurray.
Heres the pictures.

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Nice pictures, V_V88. Cute looking males. The second one looks slightly larger than the first one.
Thanks for sharing.
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U are most welcome. I also feel wanna share my spider experience with some nice pics since mindstorm also share his great spider catching n fight experience.

Today not working.. plan to go catch spider again. laugh.gif
In the morning try search again at my house front leaves trying to catch back the yesterday adult spider tat i release..
Search for few minutes but no luck.. seems he went out hunting ady.. tongue.gif
After search few minutes cant find any male spider.. i decided to call it off and go settle some of my office report.

In the evening, plan to go find spiders again.. wanted to find another male spider to fight with the male spider i caught at banana leaf yesterday.
Went out from my house and try search around nearby leaves. Found a female spider. Decided to bring home as partner for the earlier male spiders. brows.gif


Wow.. the female one look fiece also when saw the male spider.. seems wanna fight. Yeah.. tats the toothpick case to keep the spiders. Top got few small holes to allow toothpicks to come out.. now it allows air in for the spiders.
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After the male saw the females spider... it starts to shake n move closer.. the female saw backoff and ran .. the males just follow the female spider. drool.gif
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After few rounds the spiders run here and there, i put both the spiders back into the toothpick case.
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Go out to front house leaves again for search spiders again..and lucky me.. this time saw another male spider... i think is the yesterday male spider. Surround the spider with my hands, it cant ran so just jump onto my hand.. rclxms.gif

Ok.. its time to Fight. Take out the banana leaf spider but the female spiders also come out.

Oman.. 3 spiders on my fingers now.. 2male and 1 female. icon_idea.gif
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2 male on 1 finger.. One is ready 2 fight liao.. one still looking at the female spiders.. sweat.gif
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The fight starts.. the female also seems excited and get ready with fighting position. tongue.gif
The banana leaf spider is more stronger.. after few pushes with its fighting arms and 1-2 bites..it manages to scare off my house leave spider.
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2nd round, fight on taperware cover. Again the banana leaf spider won. rclxms.gif He's fiece and strong. icon_idea.gif
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This is the winner. Banana leaf spider!!
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Keep both spider in a separate toothpick and put in the middle of taperware fill with water to avoid ants going there to eat the dead mosquitoes and also the spiders. Plan to keep temporary as pet. maybe will release it once bored.

Both the male spiders i've caught are consider average adult male, only about 10sen or thumbnail finger size only.. The really big one i saw last time.. long long ago when i was small.. the male spider is really big..about half the thumb finger, long legs even when walk also looks tall, big and thick arms.. shocking.gif The biggest one of coz i saw in Chinese newspaper... tat fighting spider arms is damn big and thick.. like crab.
Very difficult to find catch big fighting spider.


Hope you guys enjoy the spider pictures above. Anyone got fighting spiders, do share ur experience as well.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Jan 14 2008, 02:14 PM)
Nice pictures, V_V88. Cute looking males. The second one looks slightly larger than the first one.
Thanks for sharing.
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I used to search for king also. Really brings back memories..
They used to have tournaments at school, me and my gang all fight each others King. Dont bother to catch them anymore, I "tormented" them enough already.
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Wah! Nice spideys u got there!

That first place is your garden huh? I wish I live in a place with natural population of fighting spiders living outside my gate. Nowadays many housing area is devoid of fighting spiders because before housing development starts the whole area is usually clear right down to the ground...only can see yellow clay soil. Hence hard to get spideys. Like the place i'm staying now. SS2 is one of them..i used to live there...cant seem to find any there.

I notice however KL and north to KL like TTDI, Ampang, Wangsa(and now like your place) have older housing areas and have natural population there even in the house gardens. Yeah when i was a kid i used to go around people's fence where their plants grow out and catch spiders there too. Now adult already cannot la... sure people will dial 999!

I remember in singapore once when i was cycling i saw a group of boys kena tahan by police because they climb into people's house to catch spider in their garden. Neighbours called police i think because the owners were not there. Then this boy held up a big transparent plastic bag full of spiders!! He didnt bother to separate them in containers maybe because too many... i saw like got 6 or 7 males in one plastic bag. The two adult policeman also scratch head...maybe cuz they know the boys are harmless but just naughty. so they dunno wat to do. I found it so funny last time. hehe.

Wah. Your banana leaf spider size look quite sizable la. Not bad. Wanna challenge my big guns? if can win big guns then can challenge big head. hehe..

One of your pictures while fighting the spider was quite blur. What happened there? Kena throw izit? Hmm...but i think not, looks like maybe rushing forward... cuz the other spider still displaying fierce stance.

Why not name your spideys? I name my spiders cuz sometimes i catch so many of them i dunno which is which so i give them funny memorable names.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 13 2008, 09:41 PM)
He's an expert.. check out his equipment and clothes when go for spider hunting.
See the video also.. his spiders also are good fighters. 

If me... i don't dare to go those high bushes which is dense and deep deep area ....duwan to get scared by snakes or lizards. shocking.gif
I prefer go those area which got daun sirih, banana trees, or those short less dense bushes.
Normally i just open the leaves which have spider nest, press it slowly and let the spider come out and jump onto my hand.  rclxms.gif
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heh. not expert la...just someone very interested in fighting spiders. I have a character that when i am interested in something, i will go very very deep into it..researching it, studying it, trying new stuff. I like to try stuff other people havent try before...

i grew up in nature environment mah cuz my grandma's house is just beside a secondary forest. But now also partly developed. The forest used to have wild boar, wild chickens, sang kancil..yes mousedear.., spider monkeys,musang and i believe got malaysian panther. but now i think most of these animals all gone.

i thot i was very nature person until i talked to one of my ping pong kaki(i play table tennis). Wah this guy even more keng, he is a magan guy(fix car bodies) and he loves fishing...but not in normal lake but like to fish deep in jungle lake...where no one goes before. i hear his stories also shiok. The places he goes are like pahang jungle where got tiger also. That i really scared. He also catch monitor lizard with his bare hands. Maybe one day i will follow him.
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Yeah, didn't expected can catch my favourite spider just in front of my house. LAst time my mom got tell me bfr got saw green stripes spiders in the front house garden but i didn't bother go and check it out. My housing area is near the top bukit area, Puncak Setiawangsa. Last time use to be alot of trees there , due to housing development, some hill were blown away by dynamites, trees were chopped down. There are still quite a lot of green in my housing area..sometimes at night can see small Fox.. running on roof top of my neighbours house also. Sometimes can see small snakes, big centipede and frogs also. tongue.gif

Yeah...the banana leaf spider size is just like a normal average adult spider. The banana trees seems dying coz partial of it been chop off.. i found the spider in between one of the leave.. and from its nest size and all the dead insects in there, i know ady.. that male spider sure is a strong fighter type. Its the only spider i can find there.

Even before fight with my house garden spider, i oso bet the banana leaf spider will win. Both male spider about the same size, the 1st fight on my finger is quite exciting, both fight fiercely and i can see 1-2 chom bites. The 2nd fight last quite short compare to the 1st fight. I noticed my house garden spider use different fighting arm position in 2nd fight, start with normal fighting position then when close, both its arms are high in the air follow with a direct to standard fight.

Fight with ur spiders hmm.gif
From ur spider fight video, all ur spiders are very fierce type... they fight bitting each other and flipin here n there.. damn scary.. sweat.gif Lucky none of ur spiders break their arms or get killed during fight.

Last time i saw my skool friend fight an adult spider very fiece type with another slightly smaller adult spider. The fierce spider fight for short time using its arm and few times strong bites on the slightly smaller spider. After losing, the loser spider seems weaken already and walk like tempang abit... but its owner still put it to fight...The fierce spider saw it and just Terkam and kill off that weak spider easily. shocking.gif FATALITY. Some other fights i saw,, the stronger one fight fiercely, bite and breakoff its opponent arm.
Man.. i hate to see spiders dead or injured badly in fight.

Not sure whether i will keep the spiders for long so i didn't give them names. Last time oso i naber give name to my spiders. tongue.gif

One thing i realize different about the spiders i caught recently and the one i caught during my skool days is the current spider doesnt seem want to drink any water when i drip the water near. I just put some water at the bottom of the toothpick case, hopefully it will go and drink when thirsty.

Last time during my skool days, the spider i caught, normally i drip some water and the spider will go there and drink.

Nowdays i have less time to play wif spiders not like last time can play with spiders almost for whole day. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 15 2008, 01:24 AM)
Wah! Nice spideys u got there!

That first place is your garden huh? I wish I live in a place with natural population of fighting spiders living outside my gate. Nowadays many housing area is devoid of fighting spiders because before housing development starts the whole area is usually clear right down to the ground...only can see yellow clay soil. Hence hard to get spideys. Like the place i'm staying now. SS2 is one of them..i used to live there...cant seem to find any there.

I notice however KL and north to KL like TTDI, Ampang, Wangsa(and now like your place) have older housing areas and have natural population there even in the house gardens. Yeah when i was a kid i used to go around people's fence where their plants grow out and catch spiders there too. Now adult already cannot la... sure people will dial 999!

I remember in singapore once when i was cycling i saw a group of boys kena tahan by police because they climb into people's house to catch spider in their garden. Neighbours called police i think because the owners were not there. Then this boy held up a big transparent plastic bag full of spiders!! He didnt bother to separate them in containers maybe because too many... i saw like got 6 or 7 males in one plastic bag. The two adult policeman also scratch head...maybe cuz they know the boys are harmless but just naughty. so they dunno wat to do. I found it so funny last time. hehe.

Wah. Your banana leaf spider size look quite sizable la. Not bad. Wanna challenge my big guns? if can win big guns then can challenge big head. hehe..

One of your pictures while fighting the spider was quite blur. What happened there? Kena throw izit? Hmm...but i think not, looks like maybe rushing forward... cuz the other spider still displaying fierce stance.

Why not name your spideys? I name my spiders cuz sometimes i catch so many of them i dunno which is which so i give them funny memorable names.
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Added on January 16, 2008, 9:44 amYesterday evening i've caught another female spider slightly bigger than the earlier one. Let both the female spiders fight.
The new female spider more fiercer.. with few fighting position, scared off the other female easily.

Decided to put the new female 2gether with the banana leaf spider..still no fight.. the female spider just ran off when see the male spider come closer.

So now i've 2 males and 2 female spiders. Keep both male & female spider in each toothpick case so they wont feel bored. tongue.gif

This morning when i was about to go off to work, i saw a male spider in between some leaves near my house bench where i usually sit down to wear my shoes. tongue.gif The male spider seems quite big but since i'm rushing to go to work.. late ady.. i decided later after work only and try catch it. drool.gif
Hopefully its a big and strong one!


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 16 2008, 12:25 AM)
Yeah, didn't expected can catch my favourite spider just in front of my house. LAst time my mom got tell me bfr got saw green stripes spiders in the front house garden but i didn't bother go and check it out. My housing area is near the top bukit area, Puncak Setiawangsa. Last time use to be alot of trees there , due to housing development, some hill were blown away by dynamites, trees were chopped down. There are still quite a lot of green in my housing area..sometimes at night can see small Fox.. running on roof top of my neighbours house also. Sometimes can see small snakes, big centipede and frogs also.  tongue.gif

Yeah...the banana leaf spider size is just like a normal average adult spider. The banana trees seems dying coz partial of it been chop off.. i found the spider in between one of the leave.. and from its nest size and all the dead insects in there, i know ady.. that male spider sure is a strong fighter type. Its the only spider i can find there.

Even before fight with my house garden spider, i oso bet the banana leaf spider will win. Both male spider about the same size, the 1st fight on my finger is quite exciting, both fight fiercely and i can see 1-2 chom bites. The 2nd fight last quite short compare to the 1st fight. I noticed my house garden spider use different fighting arm position in 2nd fight, start with normal fighting position then when close, both its arms are high in the air follow with a direct to standard fight.

Fight with ur spiders  hmm.gif
From ur spider fight video, all ur spiders are very fierce type... they fight bitting each other and flipin here n there.. damn scary..  sweat.gif Lucky none of ur spiders break their arms or get killed during fight.

Last time i saw my skool friend fight an adult spider very fiece type with another slightly smaller adult spider. The fierce spider fight for short time using its arm and few times strong bites on the slightly smaller spider. After losing, the loser spider seems weaken already and walk like tempang abit... but its owner still put it to fight...The fierce spider saw it and just Terkam and kill off that weak spider easily.  shocking.gif  FATALITY. Some other fights i saw,, the stronger one fight fiercely,  bite and breakoff its opponent arm.
Man.. i hate to see spiders dead or injured badly in fight.

Not sure whether i will keep the spiders for long so i didn't give them names. Last time oso i naber give name to my spiders.  tongue.gif

One thing i realize different about the spiders i caught recently and the one i caught during my skool days is the current spider doesnt seem want to drink any water when i drip the water near. I just put some water at the bottom of the toothpick case, hopefully it will go and drink when thirsty.

Last time during my skool days, the spider i caught, normally i drip some water and the spider will go there and drink.

Nowdays i have less time to play wif spiders not like last time can play with spiders almost for whole day.  icon_idea.gif

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Added on January 16, 2008, 9:44 amYesterday evening i've caught another female spider slightly bigger than the earlier one. Let both the female spiders fight.
The new female spider more fiercer.. with few fighting position, scared off the other female easily.

Decided to put the new female 2gether with the banana leaf spider..still no fight.. the female spider just ran off when see the male spider come closer.

So now i've 2 males and 2 female spiders. Keep both male & female spider in each toothpick case so they wont feel bored.  tongue.gif

This morning when i was about to go off to work, i saw a male spider in between some leaves near my house bench where i usually sit down to wear my shoes. tongue.gif The male spider seems quite big but since i'm rushing to go to work.. late ady.. i decided later after work only and try catch it. drool.gif
Hopefully its a big and strong one!
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Mind to tell me where is his video clip?Youtube?
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Aiya, the first post of this thread has 3 links la.

You can actually see which spider initiated the chopping/biting action on the first youtube link very well.
I counted 8 attempts at biting in the 7-second fight.

Quietman (the winner) has biting attempts #1, #3, #4 and #8 (last one, that won him the fight).

2-Big has biting attempts #2, #5, #6 and #7.
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used to catch everyday after primary school session ends at my grandfather's dusun.. among all the ones i've catch, the rambutan tree spider is my best spider. lol. now the whole place is full of bushes which i dont even dare to step in without proper protection coz i heard ppl saw snakes in my grandpa's dusun. sweat.gif

from what i noticed, if ya spider is a bit cowardice or lost a fight, put them outside of the house over night. it'll rejunivate them the very least.
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Just normal video nia.. the spider crawling on my hand. tongue.gif

Here got some research done NUS on fighting spiders. Kool. rclxms.gif

http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/rbz/biblio/50/50rbz143-151.pdf


Here got some Japanese Bug fight videos. Some of the fight is unfair n crazy..like scorpion vs small lobster? doh.gif
Theres a nice fight between Praying Mantis and Spider.

Check out all the videos.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Jan 17 2008, 03:24 AM)
Aiya, the first post of this thread has 3 links la.

You can actually see which spider initiated the chopping/biting action on the first youtube link very well.
I counted 8 attempts at biting in the 7-second fight.

Quietman (the winner) has biting attempts #1, #3, #4 and #8 (last one, that won him the fight).

2-Big has biting attempts #2, #5, #6 and #7.
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Wah, so one bite each followed by 2 chops whereby 2-Big did not run, then followed by 3 chops! which QM did not run and one last chop which won the fight. Talk about counterattack!

Fight analysis is a great topic to get into. With so many variety of moves, it's no wonder fighting spiders are so interesting to watch. Here I have a few interesting moves.

First, we have the doubleflip. The doubleflip probably occurs when both spiders try to grab each other with their HIND legs at the same time and they are fighting on smooth surface like this glossy side of a peeled-off sticker paper.

7/1/08 - topman vs bro1
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1. 1st flip - both went rolling
2. 2nd flip - both fell flat on their backs
3. Let's see who get up first!

See the actual video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izD0l0ARMBs

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Next we have the throw. The throw is a winner. It leaves the spider being thrown shocked and dazed. It shows how strong and powerful the thrower is.

11/1/08 - klang1 vs all black
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1. The bottom uplift
2. Uplift
3. Up, up and away
4. Whoahee!!
5. Coming down

Actual video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL4usAnxFlk

Here's another old video of the throw by mangrovejumper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4hJd5Gs2ng

Is there a way the other spider prevent the throw?
Yes there is.... coming soon.

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You can click on the following link to retrieve your File. The link will expire in 7 Days and will be available for 100 number of downloads.

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Just normal video nia.. the spider crawling on my hand. tongue.gif

Here got some research done NUS on fighting spiders. Kool. rclxms.gif

http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/rbz/biblio/50/50rbz143-151.pdf
Here got some Japanese Bug fight videos. Some of the fight is unfair n crazy..like scorpion vs small lobster?  doh.gif 
Theres a nice fight between Praying Mantis and Spider. 

Check out all the videos.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/japanese...d-11/3330126731
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Your spidey looks nice but not very fat. What do u feed it with?
The 2 videos u took from handphone izit? The 2 videos almost the same time length but one so much smaller file size than the other! better u use 3gp format, avi very big la... i dont have streamyx yet, still dialup so very slow

yeah..i saw that research paper. Very scienficially written smile.gif with words like conspecific haha. Actually i used to study in NUS... i got a zoology degree from there. But all the time in singapore as an adult...i study and work there for 5-6 years i didnt play spider. it was during as a child...primary one to primary four when i stay there because my father work there at that time that i became crazy about fighting spiders. The whole school boys was fanatic about them.

yeah... japs like crazy stuff.... but its interesting
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Caught the spiders early this week, didn't feed it with much nice food.. just plain dead + sumtimes alive mosquitoes & small insects. Spray some plain water to keep it moist inside the case and drop some water at the bottom of the case. The spider seems not thirsty at all.

Only can play with the spiders for a while after work at home. Yup.. the video quality is from Dopod 838 pro and Casio dig camera... din take properly coz no skill.. and wanted to c the spider fight oso worry the spider will jump and run away. tongue.gif I don't have much time to train or play spiders nowdays coz bz working.. sweat.gif

Saw all ur spider video clips in Youtube..
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=adrianlwkeat
Really good video quality. Thanks man.
I've dl and store in in my dopod 838pro. Can c in when bored in office. This type of video are hard 2 find.. must keep rclxms.gif

So how many spiders u have now in total? Plan to keep it till grow into big spider? I'm not sure how long is the spider life. The most i kept bfr is about 1 year only. U got plan to breed it and sell ? laugh.gif

So far cant find any pet shop selling fighting spiders. tongue.gif
Maybe can make good money oso. Young male 1 for RM 5, Adult male - RM 10. Strong fighter - RM 20
Female - RM3. icon_idea.gif

I've 2male and 2 females.. thinking of release all at my house garden except the strongest male. hmm.gif
Too many spiders need more time to take care of them.

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Your spidey looks nice but not very fat. What do u feed it with?
The 2 videos u took from handphone izit? The 2 videos almost the same time length but one so much smaller file size than the other! better u use 3gp format, avi very big la... i dont have streamyx yet, still dialup so very slow

yeah..i saw that research paper. Very scienficially written smile.gif with words like conspecific haha. Actually i used to study in NUS... i got a zoology degree from there. But all the time in singapore as an adult...i study and work there for 5-6 years i didnt play spider. it was during as a child...primary one to primary four when i stay there because my father work there at that time that i became crazy about fighting spiders. The whole school boys was fanatic about them.

yeah... japs like crazy stuff.... but its interesting
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wah.. this reminds me of my primary school days tongue.gif .. i remember last time when i catch spiders in school, i will pluck the whole leaf out.. then kena marah by the gardener laugh.gif

where u guys catch spider ah ? feel like playing with them again laugh.gif
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I also feel like playing it again....LIke very nice....haha....TS ur spidys bite u anot?
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 19 2008, 05:54 PM)
Caught the spiders early this week, didn't feed it with much nice food.. just plain dead + sumtimes alive mosquitoes & small insects. Spray some plain water to keep it moist inside the case and drop some water at the bottom of the case. The spider seems not thirsty at all.

Only can play with the spiders for a while after work at home. Yup.. the video quality is from Dopod 838 pro and Casio dig camera... din take properly coz no skill.. and wanted to c the spider fight oso worry the spider will jump and run away. tongue.gif I don't have much time to train or play spiders nowdays coz bz working.. sweat.gif

Saw all ur spider video clips in Youtube..
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=adrianlwkeat
Really good video quality. Thanks man.
I've dl and store in in my dopod 838pro. Can c in when bored in office. This type of video are hard 2 find.. must keep rclxms.gif

So how many spiders u have now in total? Plan to keep it till grow into big spider? I'm not sure how long is the spider life. The most i kept bfr is about 1 year only. U got plan to breed it and sell ? laugh.gif

So far cant find any pet shop selling fighting spiders. tongue.gif
Maybe can make good money oso. Young male 1 for RM 5, Adult male - RM 10. Strong fighter - RM 20
Female - RM3. icon_idea.gif

I've 2male and 2 females.. thinking of release all at my house garden except the strongest male. hmm.gif
Too many spiders need more time to take care of them.

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Now got only 4 males. 2 female with eggs. 1 female carrying bighead's genes. And 2 males but havent change skin yet to adult male. We know it is males because of their big "teeth".
When the eggs hatch from one of the females then i will have potential 20-30 babies! This will be first time I try rearing from hatching to adult. Wish me luck.
Wah!! you keep so long? You mean you keep one single spider so long? You expert la. I suppose it is a male? Actually the longest I kept is only 2 months plus. Last time usually because i would have let them go or they die.
Sell? Dunno got ppl want or not. Walao, so expensive meh? Fighting fish plakat only 2-3 dollars.
Also not easy to mass produce.

What happened to the spider u saw when tying ur shoe?

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1. Male that havent change skin. Notice the big "teeth"
2. Compare the size of the actual female's "teeth"
3. My males houses
4. Topman

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So how to prevent the throw?
By grabbing on to your opponent!

Topman(left) vs Bro1(right)
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1. Arm waving push
2. When topman try to execute the throw(how i know it is trying to throw? can see topman tilted its head and arms upwards), notice how bro1 grab on to topman with its hindlegs! (video : at 13s)
3. The fight continues where bro1 launch a series of ferocious bite attempts
4. But topman ultimately won by successfully biting bro1 left arm which sent him scrambling! rclxm9.gif

Isn't fighting spiders exciting!

Actual video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37YbgDt6xfU

PS. And this is bro1 which when 1 day after it changed skin, i tried to fight it, it was kecut.. see other spider, straight away ran. So don't underestimate white leg spider if you catch one...keep them for a couple of weeks and see...

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QUOTE(terrorist @ Jan 19 2008, 08:57 PM)
wah.. this reminds me of my primary school days tongue.gif .. i remember last time when i catch spiders in school, i will pluck the whole leaf out.. then kena marah by the gardener laugh.gif

where u guys catch spider ah ? feel like playing with them again laugh.gif
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usually the area must have a few criterias
1. shade
2. supply of insects (plants in the middle of roads you wont find)
3. fairly large flat leaves with no bulu
You can find them between the leaves. The easiest places to go is your normal housing area where there are alot of plants with overlapping leaves.. safe and easy or to some deserted plot of land in housing area also got

You from subang? I dunno subang got or not... to me seems like dont have....too barren and clean and hot...
but if u can get good la...i from puchong can easily come and we can have a spider fight! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(pitinn @ Jan 19 2008, 09:17 PM)
I also feel like playing it again....LIke very nice....haha....TS ur spidys bite u anot?
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haha more ppl play good la, then i got kaki.
These spiders dont bite la. Even if it trys to also cannot penetrate human skin... but golden spider can...

I believe there is other ppl still play, but many of them not so canggih come on to internet forum to discuss...
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 20 2008, 04:20 AM)
Now got only 4 males. 2 female with eggs. 1 female carrying bighead's genes. And 2 males but havent change skin yet to adult male. We know it is males because of their big "teeth".
When the eggs hatch from one of the females then i will have potential 20-30 babies! This will be first time I try rearing from hatching to adult. Wish me luck.
Wah!! you keep so long? You mean you keep one single spider so long? You expert la. I suppose it is a male? Actually the longest I kept is only 2 months plus. Last time usually because i would have let them go or they die.
Sell? Dunno got ppl want or not. Walao, so expensive meh? Fighting fish plakat only 2-3 dollars. 
Also not easy to mass produce.

What happened to the spider u saw when tying ur shoe?

pictures
1. Male that havent change skin. Notice the big "teeth"
2. Compare the size of the actual female's "teeth"
3. My males houses
4. Topman
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wa....den the babies sure very geng to fight lor?How u breed?The male won't fight wif the female merz?Urs look really huge....Wat is golden spider?Got sample pic?

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Wa..ur female spider quite big n fat leh.. rclxms.gif Nice spider case u have there..seems very hi-tech..lol
U got poke hole at the top of the case right? wa.. the leaves plant put inside water can last longer. My toothpick case very small n cramp, smelly also when the leaves dry out + dead insects smell.

Last time i keep my spiders in Trebor sweet case, poke few holes at top of the case using nails. Easy to carry around, i even bring my spider back to my hometown for CNY. tongue.gif. Spider are easy to keep, just feed them with insects + water. They can live long.. if keep it properly its case surrounded with water around to avoid ants go eat the spider. Keep them in good temperature, not too cold or too hot oso. Last time CNY when i go pai nien, i left my spider with case inside car with abit window open.. After came back from pai nien, c the spider dead ady cry.gif ... I think the weather is too hot ady and inside car, its even hotter.

The spider i saw few days ago when tying my shoe bfr i go work ran away ady.. cant find it.

Today caught some small green flies to fed my spiders.
Here's the banana leaf spider in action
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After feed the spiders, went out and caught another big female spider. This female is much bigger compare to the earlier 2 females spider i've caught earlier. Defeated other 2 females spiders easily. Release the smaller female spider back 2 my garden.

Heres the pic my house garden spider with the new big female spider.

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Banana leaf spider with the new big female spider.

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OMG!!! this is real nostalgic one!! i still remember i play this 'laga spider' when i was young. i have my spider which is the king at my kampung once. but died bcos of too old. it is really hard to breed this spider. love it. good thread.
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Yup, nowdays hard to see ppl or skool kids play spider .
Wa.. ur spider is King at ur kampung.. died bcoz of too old? how long u keep the spider?

This evening, i went to my neighbour banglo house swimming pool to swim. I know his house back near the swimming got garden.. so bring along empty spider case to catch spider. tongue.gif

Manage to find few small spiders, din catch. Later found and caught 2 female spider. One quite big.

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Cant find any males..decided to go into the swimming pool swim awhile.. feel abit disappointed coz cant find any male fighting spiders.
After swim few minutes decide to go look for male. Finally able to find 2 male spiders. 1 average size adult, and 1 big adult spiders. rclxms.gif
The Banglo big spider is bigger than the banana leaf spider! rclxms.gif

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Later night at home, its Spider fighting time!

Round 1
New average size banglo spider vs my house garden spider.

My house garden spider win easily.

Round 2.
Banglo big size spider vs my house garden spider.
Slight arm pushing, my house garden spider ran off ady.

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Round 3.
Banglo big size spider vs Banana leaf spider

Slight arm pushing oso, Banana leaf spider ran off ady... rclxub.gif

Didn't took any picture coz wanted to the fight ma.

Check out the Banglo spider wide long arms..

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i think its arm is damn wide and scares off other fighting spider easily.. thumbup.gif

Maybe its nite time the spiders all sleepy duwan fight? hmm.gif

I bought a betta fish housing, put my spider in there now. So far so good. rclxm9.gif

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OMG!!! this is real nostalgic one!! i still remember i play this 'laga spider' when i was young. i have my spider which is the king at my kampung once. but died bcos of too old. it is really hard to breed this spider. love it. good thread.
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wa....den the babies sure very geng to fight lor?How u breed?The male won't fight wif the female merz?Urs look really huge....Wat is golden spider?Got sample pic?
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Well hopefully. I believe fighting ability genes can be passed down. If by selective breeding we can get tougher fighting spiders then the fights would be longer lasting.

Heh.. if male fight with female, how to continue the species?!

My female normal size only.

See golden spider(named by my fren and me because of its color) female below. Also known as the mangrove jumper(actual common name). Actually size for size golden spider is considered the toughest and fiercest jumper spider i know(maybe got some others i dunno know yet). Their body is like a tank!
If you put a fighting spider there, there is high possibility your fighting spider kena makan even though they are nearly the same length. They will even attack face-on and pierce their big sharp teeth directly into the head of a fighting spider if the fighting spider does not raise its fang fast enough. They can easily attack from side or back...any direction. Pretty scary. I used to play a lot with it last time because my house in SS2 got a mango tree full of it. I find the female golden more fierce than the male although the male got very long fangs which is bend inwards when resting. When it fights, waloa, u can see its very long fangs. I think my fren kena bitten once by them....maybe he can tell u the story...he is none other than Mangrovejumper!

Golden spider are tree spiders unlike fighting spider(which are shrub spiders). Last time I usually find them in rambutan, mango or kelapa sawit tree. If ur garden have a old big rambutan or mango tree, probably u can find them too. They like to make their nest in dead brown leaves that happen to be still stuck to tree, but sometimes also in green leaves. They seem to like very dark nest so that if another spider happen to wander through, it will become food before it knows what hit it.

For a picture of the male golden, see http://tramontina.fotopages.com/?entry=1297453
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Top of my containers is actually cloth netting which i cut from leftover curtain cloth. The container i cut out one big hole mah. Then i just drip wax from a candle to seal the netting to the sides of the hole.

Yea, never put spider in car unattended. 100% die when sun comes out.

Woohoo!! Your spider big la! The arms so looonng flex.gif ...way longer than its body. Now got challenger for bighead! rclxms.gif
Comeon... lets have a fight. i think urs can win.

For me, wheather my spider win or lose doesn't matter, as long got good fight. I can videocam and put for everybody to see. For everybody following this tread, who agree to the fight?? Say yes! hehe...batu api... biggrin.gif

When bighead was caught (by Dan Lam aka Mangrovejumper on 25/11/07)...it was quite pale it colour. It lost to lumpy even though lumpy was smaller. Bighead top, lumpy bottom.

See video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPr1sP-NfM

After several days, dunno why lumpy became kecut, so bighead became firstking because quietman has never won bighead before.

2 days ago...see bighead vs bigguns... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB1qJRxGG8g

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Haha..today the male that havent change skin changed skin!
Look at pictures below, hard to think the first picture is same spider as the ones after it huh?
I give it some water to drink, it drink very long. I think if you have a male that havent changed skin, best to give it a lot of food and water before and after it change skin...i think it will kembang more, hence you get a bigger spider.
Dunno true or not, just theory.

I think i will name it blurman cuz it looked quite blur. Anyway it is not big, small in fact.. maybe after 2 weeks i will fight it. Now sure kecut.

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LOL, let's organize a spider hunting trip la.. laugh.gif.. i am real excited looking at you guys " fighter " already.. feel like catching one back and fight with ur spiders.. laugh.gif
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Wa.. u use candle wax drip to seal the case, very creative. rclxms.gif
Yesterday, I bought a small bette housing, mostly small hole. Only have two slightly big holes, place to feed. I just cover it using cardboard paper with double tap.

Ya, last time was my mistake.. i thought if i unwind the car window abit air can flow in and out tats why i leave the spider inside the car. The hot air ventilation in the car is too much for my little spider to bear.. surfocated till death. sweat.gif

Ya..this morning i let the spiders fight again.

Garden spider vs Banana spider - Banana spider won
Short fight.

Banana spider vs Banglo spider - Banglo spider won.
Short fight also. No match at all. Banana spider was defeated easily. Not fierce like last time when it fight my House Garden spider.
I didn't expect it to lose easily to the Banglo spider. The Banglo spider is only slightly bigger and it arms are longer abit.

After some consideration, i decided to release all the male and female spider to my front house garden, only keep the strongest Banglo spider.
Its easier to take care. Plan to keep it till it grow Big big.. icon_idea.gif

Your spiders also big and arms also wide. Can see clearly in the pic and videos. Very fierce oo.. drool.gif
Fight with ur spiders? Your are in Puchong and i'm in KL leh.

Your spiders drink water alot? All the spiders i caught seems duwant to drink water when i drip the water near them. I just spay some water into the spider case just in case. It still eat fresh green flies as normal. Those small green flies we normally see in flower and leaves, not those big normal flies.

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Top of my containers is actually cloth netting which i cut from leftover curtain cloth. The container i cut out one big hole mah. Then i just drip wax from a candle to seal the netting to the sides of the hole.

Yea, never put spider in car unattended. 100% die when sun comes out.

Woohoo!! Your spider big la! The arms so looonng flex.gif ...way longer than its body. Now got challenger for bighead!  rclxms.gif
Comeon... lets have a fight. i think urs can win.

For me, wheather my spider win or lose doesn't matter, as long got good fight. I can videocam and put for everybody to see. For everybody following this tread, who agree to the fight?? Say yes! hehe...batu api...  biggrin.gif

When bighead was caught (by Dan Lam aka Mangrovejumper on 25/11/07)...it was quite pale it colour. It lost to lumpy even though lumpy was smaller. Bighead top, lumpy bottom.

See video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPr1sP-NfM

After several days, dunno why lumpy became kecut, so bighead became firstking because quietman has never won bighead before.

2 days ago...see bighead vs bigguns... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB1qJRxGG8g
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Added on January 21, 2008, 3:14 pmMost of the female spider wont fight with male or female spider, they only fight if want to protect their own territory or fighting for food.. etcs..

The fierce female spider sometimes will fight with the male spider also. It can defeated other smaller male spider.
Yesterday smaller male spider which i caught at my neighbour banglo also lost to one of the big female spider.
I release the male spider first to one leaves which already have spider nest, then i put the big female spider there also.
I saw both the spider fight awhile and the male spider ran away. doh.gif

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The male won't fight wif the female merz?Urs look really huge....
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yea careful, dude. 1 of my friend when 2 hospital after being bite by a deadly snake while catching fighting spider "paw-foo". dont go 2 those places very dangerous may b got anaconda 2.. haha.. laugh.gif
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Fighting fish is too common ady.. Their fighting skill is so so.. more like for display only.
Fighting spider is difficult to find and breed. The big, strong and fierce ones is even harder to get.

I, myself as a fighting spider fan don't mind paying good money for a big and strong fierce fighting spider.

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Sell? Dunno got ppl want or not. Walao, so expensive meh? Fighting fish plakat only 2-3 dollars. 
Also not easy to mass produce.
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recently my house got many of those black color one, just like the one posted, but i didn't catch them as i don't know how to rear them, later ended-up like old times kept them til died liao.
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 21 2008, 02:22 AM)
Well hopefully. I believe fighting ability genes can be passed down. If by selective breeding we can get tougher fighting spiders then the fights would be longer lasting.

Heh.. if male fight with female, how to continue the species?!

My female normal size only.

See golden spider(named by my fren and me because of its color) female below. Also known as the mangrove jumper(actual common name). Actually size for size golden spider is considered the toughest and fiercest jumper spider i know(maybe got some others i dunno know yet). Their body is like a tank!
If you put a fighting spider there, there is high possibility your fighting spider kena makan even though they are nearly the same length. They will even attack face-on and pierce their big sharp teeth directly into the head of a fighting spider if the fighting spider does not raise its fang fast enough. They can easily attack from side or back...any direction. Pretty scary. I used to play a lot with it last time because my house in SS2 got a mango tree full of it. I find the female golden more fierce than the male although the male got very long fangs which is bend inwards when resting. When it fights, waloa, u can see its very long fangs. I think my fren kena bitten once by them....maybe he can tell u the story...he is none other than Mangrovejumper!

Golden spider are tree spiders unlike fighting spider(which are shrub spiders). Last time I usually find them in rambutan, mango or kelapa sawit tree. If ur garden have a old big rambutan or mango tree, probably u can find them too. They like to make their nest in dead brown leaves that happen to be still stuck to tree, but sometimes also in green leaves. They seem to like very dark nest so that if another spider happen to wander through, it will become food before it knows what hit it.

For a picture of the male golden, see http://tramontina.fotopages.com/?entry=1297453
The top most middle picture. It has white eye shadow! hehe
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I noe already!Last time I catch be4...It is gold in color.....And very huge and furry....And I ut 1 fighthing spider in he juz attack from the back and jump and eat.....Damn fast....


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QUOTE(Createmous @ Jan 21 2008, 04:32 PM)
yea careful, dude. 1 of my friend when 2 hospital after being bite by a deadly snake while catching fighting spider "paw-foo". dont go 2 those places very dangerous may b got anaconda 2.. haha.. laugh.gif
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Ya....its call PAW FOO....In english I dunno.....haha

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wow..cool insect....
these spiders fight till death?
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Yeah, its a cool insect. Their fighting skill is the best!!

Most of the time, the losing spider will just ran away. If fight with a very very fierce spider, the loser spider might end up with a broken arm, or got bitten to death. It will use its wide arms to grab/terkam its opponent and bite it fiercely till die without letting it run away. Normally the spider will
get ready with it fighting stance position and move closer to its opponent, it opponent will sense danger automatically "spider sense" and will get ready with fighting stance position also. When both spider is very close, they will exchange blows using their fighting arms, and try to bite each other when there's chance.

I've saw before my friend spider very fierce type terkam and bite its opponent spider which is still unaware/not ready to fight yet. The spider tat got hit by the surprise terkam attack will either die or injured and lose the fight. Only those really fierce and strong spider can give counter attack back like "mindstorm" spiders" rclxms.gif My friend's big strong and fierce spider some time also fight direct with few spider one after another one and still win. Undefeatable. thumbup.gif Seldom can get to see these type of fierce fighting spider tats on frenzy ready to kill off its opponent fast without waiting for the opponent to have a fair direct fight. shakehead.gif Saw my friend bite his finger and squeeze out some of his finger blood to feed his fierce spider, he says this will make the spider become frenzy and hunger to kill.. shocking.gif

I oso remember he told me his King spider died coz jump to a nearby kuali panas when he is playing spider in the kitchen. shakehead.gif
Not sure whether true onot.. but his spider is really fierce and GANAS laugh.gif .

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wow..cool insect....
these spiders fight till death?
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Viper88, omg.. blood ?! ur fren mad lalready lol..
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Ya.. he come out with all sort of crazy idea in spider fighting stuff. I now recall ady.. he told me tat he kill his other smaller/weak male spider and lets his King spider which is starving to eat as FOOD! . The main reason is to train his King spider to kill off/eat other male fighting spider during fight!! shocking.gif Tat is why his spider always terkam and try to kill other spider during fight.. been train ady ma.

He also the kejam type, press the female spider backside till kemek abit so it wont run away and let his King spider rape it. doh.gif

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QUOTE(terrorist @ Jan 21 2008, 08:18 PM)
Viper88, omg.. blood ?! ur fren mad lalready lol..
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 21 2008, 03:02 PM)

After some consideration, i decided to release all the male and female spider to my front house garden, only keep the strongest Banglo spider.
Its easier to take care. Plan to keep it till it grow Big big.. icon_idea.gif

Your spiders also big and arms also wide. Can see clearly in the pic and videos. Very fierce oo.. drool.gif
Fight with ur spiders? Your are in Puchong and i'm in KL leh. 

Your spiders drink water alot? All the spiders i caught seems duwant to drink water when i drip the water near them. I just spay some water into the spider case just in case. It still eat fresh green flies as normal. Those small green flies we normally see in flower and leaves, not those big normal flies.

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Still can grow meh? After changing the last skin, i think spiders cannot grow any more leh... only abdomen can grow fatter la... i dont think the size of the head or arms can grow somemore.

Aiyah..got car one mah. Besides my wife's parents stay in Ampang. Is Ampang near Setiawangsa? Or can meet somewhere like Midvalley Pet wonderland. My bighead getting old oledi...soon wont be able to fight leow. Maybe this sunday i am free. Up to u ler... let me know.

Depends if hot day or one whole day din drink, sure to drink a lot of water. Without water, the spider will shrink.

Hey, car fanatic, i saw u on friendster oledi... added u as friend, spider friend smile.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 21 2008, 10:28 PM)
Ya.. he come out with all sort of crazy idea in spider fighting stuff. I now recall ady.. he told me tat he kill his other smaller/weak male spider and lets his King spider which is starving to eat as FOOD! . The main reason is to train his King spider to kill off/eat other male fighting spider during fight!! shocking.gif Tat is why his spider always terkam and try to kill other spider during fight.. been train ady ma.

He also the kejam type, press the female spider backside till kemek abit so it wont run away and let his King spider rape it.  doh.gif

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Wah ur fren quite teruk... esp press the female till kemek.... this i never do before. Last time as kid i also got fight males sometimes till they die cuz the winner is too fierce. But now i try not to do it anymore... not so good thing to do to something that bring me so much joy. U still in contact with this fren ah?

i also tried before to let my spider drink my blood but usually they avoid. maybe unless thirsty they will drink? Walao, talk about self sacrifice.

But i also think that is one of the ways expert train their spiders, letting it eat other males. These guys are gamblers, they fight to win money, so they will do anything to ensure their spiders are killers. One of them i know is in seremban. I havent met him yet but i got his contact in Dec last year and may contact him this cny. In seremban he is known as "pao fu wong" (fighting spider king). They say he play spider cari makan. Maybe tomolo i let u know how i come to get his contact. Quite interesting.

Tomorrow morning will be going for a short spider hunt cuz not working tomolo. See wheather can get new first king.
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Ya.. i saw bfr some of the fighting spiders quite big. Its arms and legs also very long whole size like 20 sens or about half thumb finger size.
Last time got one guy post his spider about 20 sen size.. its quite big also. I'm looking forward to catch or have a big fighting spider as pet. tongue.gif
I didn't keep in touch with my primary skool friend ady.. just remember his name is Saufi. He kept his fighting spider in matchbox. When his spider come out from the matchbox, it seems like wild and frenzy type movement ready to fight its opponent. His spider colour is light blue green and black type. Not like the normal light green black type.

Hmm.. this Sat-Sun i'm off. Normally i'll go out wif my gf.
Ampang is near Setiawangsa. Do u know where is Ampang Great Eastern Mall? From its T-Junction, go down straight is to Jalan Jelatek, further up abit is Setiawangsa already. Maybe we can meet up if you are around there.

This morning i've caught 2 average size male spiders from red leaves around my housing area jogging place.
The spiders are wild, ran very fast and not east to catch, I've to cut the leaves rear end part and bring it to open air before manage to put it into the plastic case.

Here's the pics both of the Red leave spiders fight icon_idea.gif

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Short arm pushing only, no bitting..

The winner fight with Banglo spider. laugh.gif

Here the pic side by side.. see the size.. Banglo spider bigger abit.

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Banglo spider defeated the Red leaf spider easily. Again just normal short arm fighting style only.. no grapping, bitting, throwing or counter attack.
Abit disappointed coz i tot the Red leaf spider can give some good fight since its kinda wild and hard 2 catch.

Later let it fight again but it become kecut ady, so released both the red leaf male spiders to my house garden.

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walao.. nice... i really feel like catching one already laugh.gif
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Go catch lar if free, or if u interested, i can catch and sell it to u. RM 10 for average male adult spider ok onot? tongue.gif

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walao.. nice... i really feel like catching one already laugh.gif
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Today tak jadi catch spider, too busy settling some other stuff.

Wah, your area really alot of spiders la. I see u go here and there also can find males.

Jeletek...you stay around there ah...heh. My wife work in Ampang Great Eastern mall la. Hey, don't meet also can fight our spiders! You pass ur spider to my wife, my wife bring home to me, I fight and videocam, then i feed it big big and pass back to you. Haha! icon_idea.gif Can trust me, won't harm your spider or exchange ur spider. I thought of passing u my spider but if u dont have videocam, rugi if got good long fight. Actually if ur spider can win bighead, i willing to buy from u RM20 if u willing to sell. PS. Kevin, i added u as friend in friendster.

Today fought blurman and bro2. Blurman lost. Push only but quite long. But I was surprise Blurman dare to fight...looks also very fierce when showing angry face. 2nd day after change skin only leh. Blurman i realize is not small, at least average size... arms also long. I can see his body not keras yet, the legs like still lembek, that's why lost to a more matured spider. I am sure keep longer sure can easily win back bro2 and can even win topman(topman being the winner in the doubleflip and throw prevention clips). Topman is small but a good fighter.


Actually in ANY fight, there are 2 important considerations wheather man or animal considering same species.

1. Size/weight - size/weight differences should be eliminated
In the case of fighting spiders - it should be size of head because weight ratio of food to body size is big hence a meal of a spider can change its overall weight tremendously unlike man which weight ratio of food to body is small hence for man weight differences is elimated by having weight categories.

Notes:
(that is why fighting between different species of different size like the japanese clips is crazy and unfair although interesting to watch. If like that, then on land, the south africa male elephant sure win everything)

(Bighead may not be a good fighter allthough it is champion now. It won all fights simply because of size. I have yet to see him fight a really good fight, that's why i started this tread, to find a challenger for him)

(In fights involving gambling, comparing size is the most important thing to do. No one would fight a spider or anything if they can see their animal is smaller... high risk losing. So fights usually involve same size. Animals that is smaller but can win bigger opponent, they call it money [animal], because they are good fighters and can win their owners money. Because gambling got odds mah, example if mine is smaller i can bet 1 to 3 against a bigger opponent)

2. Age - Age inevitably affect the performance of any living thing. All animals will have a period of
peak performance in their live time. No fighter can win forever because no living creature lives forever. You don't expect a small baby or a oldman to win a fight rite? Hence the trick is to catch them at this period for the best outcome of a fight.

Having settle this 2 variables. The fight would be considered fair and square and other variables come
in to play which will determine the winner.

1. Tenacity/Willingness to fight and not give up easily (MENTAL)
This variable culls off a lot of lousy fighters
This variable can also be affected by letting the male see a female or let it win repeatedly to a smaller male

2. Fitness - a combination of strength(in the case of spiders/insect - toughness of exoskeleton also), alertness(accuracy/response/speed) and flexibility (PHYSICAL)
This variable can be affected by food, living environment and training (eg play with it, let it jump far, shake it and let it climb up its own web)

3. Fight techniques - everybody loves a good technician
Chop/"Sek pao" is one of them - the surprise element
Can be affected to a degree in a sense that chop can be spread(disease or learned?)


Choosing a good fighter to keep or breed.

A good fighter can ONLY be acertain if it has fought another good fighter. Therefore, any fight that last long would be by 2 good fighters wheather they win or lose. Hence both would be worth keeping. If 2 spiders fight long with each other the first time, subsequent fights between the same spiders would usually also be quite long considering they are kept healthy.(eg from my clips: quietman vs toobig, topman vs bro1)

A winner that fought a short push may or may not be a good fighter simply because the loser may just be kecut or very lousy. An example is Allblacks(gone already, lost it in my car). I thought it was good fighter becuz it won a lot of fights, but all only short push. When I finally fought it with stronger spiders it also fought short push and lost. When i finally analyze all its fights... i realize it never fought a good fight before...the most is one terkam only and only in one or two fights, so Allblacks was not a good fighter, then again maybe it is old already.

Good fighters
1. Last long in fights - graples, throws, bites, flips, attack side
2. Eventhough lose, it last 2 chops of more to a bigger spider
3. Eventhough lose, it dares to fight again in a short while.

The best fighters I documented would be quietman and scareycat. Quietman is actually slightly smaller than toobig but won both times they fight with exciting moves. Lumpy is bigger than quietman and although quietman lost but yet can put up long and good fight. Scareycat is smaller than quietman and although scareycat lost but fought until injured. Scareycat has another fight clip which proves he is one awesome fighter. It is unfortunate i am no longer keeping these two spiders. I only realize all of what i wrote above only after i release them.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 22 2008, 08:49 PM)
Go catch lar if free, or if u interested, i can catch and sell it to u. RM 10 for average male adult spider ok onot? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(bartbarb @ Jan 21 2008, 04:14 PM)
recently my house got many of those black color one, just like the one posted, but i didn't catch them as i don't know how to rear them, later ended-up like old times kept them til died liao.
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Actually easy to rear.
1. Keep in transparent box with holes
2. Make sure give water everday
3. Make sure feed it with at least one insect at day - ant/mosquito/fly - drop it infront of it or put in its container
4. Keep it out of hot area and away from ants
5. Clean out its container every few days

For more insight, can see the text file i post if you dont mind reading(quite panjang lebar ler...)

You catch and give me lar...if can win my first king, i buy from u.

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QUOTE(Createmous @ Jan 21 2008, 03:32 PM)
yea careful, dude. 1 of my friend when 2 hospital after being bite by a deadly snake while catching fighting spider "paw-foo". dont go 2 those places very dangerous may b got anaconda 2.. haha.. laugh.gif
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yea, actually i am also afraid kena bitten by snakes. That's why when i go to these places, my eyes is looking everywhere. But i also know most of these places no snakes. You know why? Cuz in town city area mah.
For snakes to survive and breed, it must have live food source so only places where there are rats or frogs a lot got snakes. Also these places i go to is usually isolated patch of land surrounded by human dwellings. Snake susah to survive where there is human. Accidently crawl out sure kena killed. So how can snakes exist there?

But i don't deny some places i go to sure got snake...
But talking to people who goes deep jungle trekking, they say best way to avoid snakes is to walk LOUDLY,... snakes tend to avoid ppl and move away.

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wow..cool insect....
these spiders fight till death?
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Not insect la. Spider is an arachnid. Different group from insect. All insects got six legs. Spiders got eight so does mites and scorpians.

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My area got spider, but mostly female and average male spiders. Kinda hard to find those adult big male spider.
The one caught at the my neighbour house banglo also not very big size.

Don't have daun sirih at my housing area... last time during skool days i used to catch spider at daun sirih.. very easy to find big adult male. Easy to pull off the daun sirih also and catch the spider

Wa.. ask ur wife bring home my spider to fight?
I think better meet up and fight the spiders somewhere near Setiawangsa. I can show you around tat area. Got nice KL City view there.
My spider not so ganas leh.. not sure whether can give good fight onot.

Not planning to sell Banglo.. i plan to keep it as pet. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 23 2008, 02:42 AM)
Wah, your area really alot of spiders la. I see u go here and there also can find males.

Jeletek...you stay around there ah...heh. My wife work in Ampang Great Eastern mall la. Hey, don't meet also can fight our spiders! You pass ur spider to my wife, my wife bring home to me, I fight and videocam, then i feed it big big and pass back to you. Haha! icon_idea.gif Can trust me, won't harm your spider or exchange ur spider. I thought of passing u my spider but if u dont have videocam, rugi if got good long fight. Actually if ur spider can win bighead, i willing to buy from u RM20 if u willing to sell. PS. Kevin, i added u as friend in friendster.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 22 2008, 12:46 AM)
When his spider come out from the matchbox, it seems like wild and frenzy type movement ready to fight its opponent. His spider colour is light blue green and black type. Not like the normal light green black type.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 21 2008, 4:46 AM)

Most of the time, the losing spider will just ran away. If fight with a very very fierce spider, the loser spider might end up with a broken arm, or got bitten to death. It will use its wide arms to grab/terkam its opponent and bite it fiercely till die without letting it run away. Normally the spider will
get ready with it fighting stance position and move closer to its opponent, it opponent will sense danger automatically "spider sense" and will get ready with fighting stance position also. When both spider is very close, they will exchange blows using their fighting arms, and try to bite each other when there's chance.

I've saw before my friend spider very fierce type terkam and bite its opponent spider which is still unaware/not ready to fight yet. The spider tat got hit by the surprise terkam attack will either die or injured and lose the fight. Only those really fierce and strong spider can give counter attack back like "mindstorm" spiders"  My friend's big strong and fierce spider some time also fight direct with few spider one after another one and still win. Undefeatable.  Seldom can get to see these type of fierce fighting spider tats on frenzy ready to kill off its opponent fast without waiting for the opponent to have a fair direct fight.  Saw my friend bite his finger and squeeze out some of his finger blood to feed his fierce spider, he says this will make the spider become frenzy and hunger to kill.. 

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What you describe here is a chop spider/"sek pao". Training with a smaller spider will not convert it. I've managed to convert some by fighting normal behavior spiders with other chop males. Depending on how much they exhibit this frenzy behavior, they will appear somewhat "mabuk" when they walk. When faced with another male, a chop spider frequently will not even show an angry face. It will pounce and bite first without waiting for a response. So if you're fighting with a chop spider it is ESSENTIAL that it doesn't see the other male first.

Chop fighting spiders do not have the same interest in females as normal males. Therefore they do not have the tendency to leave their nests in search of females. They do not exhibit this frenzy behavior towards spiders of other types. Female chop spiders exist, but are very very rare.

I believe it's a disease that can be transmitted. I have no proof, but we see it in other animals (e.g. vicious aggression in rabid animals). One can also argue that it's a learned behavior. Imagine getting one and then converting all your other normal males to become chop. thumbup.gif

Whatever it is, it's not normal. They sure are the finest fighters though.

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I naber heard bfr about chop spider/sek pao. Coz mostly my friend who play spider are Malays.

My friend, Saufi's spider its the same fighting spider.. It colour is brighter, light blueish green, black and its size is BIG. Its arms and legs also long, walk also looks taller. icon_idea.gif

Its fighting stance position also same when see its opponent. Defensive Arms and backside up sway left/right. It will fight direct with its arms and bite face to face if the enemey engage in a direct fight. The only different is its more fierce type. If the the enemy spider is unaware of its presence from behind, it will move close with its fighting stance position and when its near, it will terkam and wack the enemy kaw kaw. shocking.gif
Saw few times it able to kill its enemy in a direct fight and sometimes manage to cripple/broke its enemy arms. Ganas siut! shocking.gif

If against other type of normal spider, it will also pose defensive fighting stance but once closer it will terkam and kill its enemy. Normal fighting spider also like tat.. will kill off other type spider if it sense danger.

Yeah, its movement is like frantic or excited type. Seems like its high on killing mode. I've saw this type of movement for fighting spider also only when there are many ants close to it. It will move like gila gila abit backward and forward then terkam/throw the ants which is nearby. Seldom
see fighting spider movement like this when wanna fight time.

Sometimes i wonder whether izit the chemical thing from the matchbox tat cause my friend spider become so fierce and frenzy beside the training/fed with other smaller/weaker spider and alwys give female spider, drink blood etcs.. sweat.gif

I got fight with his spider before, my spider almost dark black colour, its light green stripes colour fade off ady only left little green dots coz i alwys keep under my bed very dark place. Normally people says those fighting spider color turned dark is also quite fierce and easily called as Pak Tam or Pak Hitam. Its easy to differentiate my spider oso coz its colour is different.

My spider slightly smaller abit than his, it gave a good long fight, terkam-menerkam but still lost.. my friend play cheat coz half way during the spiders was fighting he tilted his matchbox giving advantage position for his spider to push my spider downwards.. damn. vmad.gif
Anyway, my spider also got advantage coz my friend's spider already fight few matches before against my Pak Tam. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Jan 23 2008, 12:20 PM)
What you describe here is a chop spider/"sek pao". Training with a smaller spider will not convert it. I've managed to convert some by fighting normal behavior spiders with other chop males. Depending on how much they exhibit this frenzy behavior, they will appear somewhat "mabuk" when they walk. When faced with another male, a chop spider frequently will not even show an angry face. It will pounce and bite first without waiting for a response. So if you're fighting with a chop spider it is ESSENTIAL that it doesn't see the other male first.

Chop fighting spiders do not have the same interest in females as normal males. Therefore they do not have the tendency to leave their nests in search of females. They do not exhibit this frenzy behavior towards spiders of other types. Female chop spiders exist, but are very very rare.

I believe it's a disease that can be transmitted. I have no proof, but we see it in other animals (e.g. vicious aggression in rabid animals). One can also argue that it's a learned behavior. Imagine getting one and then converting all your other normal males to become chop. thumbup.gif

Whatever it is, it's not normal. They sure are the finest fighters though.
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chop=terkam=grappling + biting

chop spider=spider without angry stance when figthing, just attack straight

yea, chop spiders rocks. No angry face, in fact sometimes seems like seeing a female with both arms raised(but not shaking)...then SUDDENLY terkam.

an interesting article to tell u want happens when a spider moult
http://science.howstuffworks.com/spider8.htm
"Typically, the spider does most of its growing immediately after losing the old exoskeleton, while the new exoskeleton is highly flexible."
This means before moulting a spider need to be well fed and drink plenty of water...so that when it moult, it can expand to the fullest.

This study shows spider females in general mate only once
http://www.bioone.org/perlserv/?request=ge...6%2FS02-72&ct=1

today fights:

blurman vs bro2
- blurman wins! only short push

bro1 vs blurman
- blurman terkam bro1 first! but bro1 was too steady...blurman kalah
- wah 3rd day after moulting, blurman dare to terkam others first! i think blurman will be quite good fighter in time
to come

topman vs bro1
- they both rolled out of the camera screen because too close up
- topman won

topman vs bro1
- incredibly bro1 dare to fight again immediately
- again topman won with one very powerful terkam

bro1 seems to have the tactic of clinging on to the other spider when kena terkam.
topman seems to be in the peak...

Viper: I still need to confirm wheather i free this sunday. If can also, it will be sunday evening...4-5pm. Cuz i am going back seremban on sat nite for a relative's birthday party. Tomorrow let u know. If inconvenient for u or pai se or scared my spider eat ur spider, let me know, no obligation, no pressure. smile.gif There will always be another spider, another time. icon_rolleyes.gif

Terrorist: How? Have you caught any spider yet? if i can, do u want to follow me go visit viper if he ok?
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i haven caught any spiders sad.gif .. my area here don have la lol.. have to go a bit hutan2 area..
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Where u stay? If u stay in KL, maybe u can go Tasik Titiwangsa and cari..lol laugh.gif

Hmm.. the reserve forest next to KL Tower oso seems like a good place to find fierce spider.

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QUOTE(terrorist @ Jan 24 2008, 10:37 AM)
i haven caught any spiders sad.gif .. my area here don have la lol.. have to go a bit hutan2 area..
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Added on January 24, 2008, 4:41 pmMy friend, Saufi spider also shows angry stance when fighting, but its main different is it will chop its enemy kaw kaw when not aware of its presents. Nowdays hard to find spider like tat ady. Most of the spiders i caught at my housing area not very fierce type.

This morning after jogging, i caught 3 females, 3 males spider. rclxms.gif Release all the females to my house garden as usual.
2 average male spider and 1 adult male spider. The adult male spider seems same size like the Banglo spider.

Ok.. let them fight.

I took a satay stick and cucuk on a leaves. Let the spider fight till whichever spider tat ran away or scares till jump off from the leaves will consider lose.

Average size spider vs another average male spider.

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No fight, one of it kecut type don't want to fight just ran away. The winner fight with the adult male spider. Short push only.. the adult spider win easily.

2 average male spider vs Banglo spider
Banglo spider wins easily.. it chased off both average size spider, made them ran and jump off from the leaves


Banglo spider vs adult spider. Both are about the same size

New big adult spider
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Banglo spider win easily. Just short push and the new bigt spider gave up and ran. Try to fight again 2nd time but still lose and ran.
Haiz.. why not fierce 1? rclxub.gif Big oso leh.. tongue.gif

Release the 2 average adult spider to my house garden. Still keep the new adult male spider as sparring partner for Banglo spider.

Mindstorm: Its ok, no worry. I also not sure on Sunday i got other plans onot. Anyway, i feel my spider not really fierce type, not sure can give ur spider good fight or not. If win or lose, its fine with me. No need fight till death 1, if the spider ran ady, no need cont to fight lo.

If you got any big and strong spider extra, i'm interested to get it from you also. laugh.gif

Will pm you my contact no. for easier communication. Dont pass it around k.. thx.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 24 2008, 03:30 AM)
chop=terkam=grappling + biting

chop spider=spider without angry stance when figthing, just attack straight

yea, chop spiders rocks. No angry face, in fact sometimes seems like seeing a female with both arms raised(but not shaking)...then SUDDENLY terkam.

Viper: I still need to confirm wheather i free this sunday. If can also, it will be sunday evening...4-5pm. Cuz i am going back seremban on sat nite for a relative's birthday party. Tomorrow let u know. If inconvenient for u or pai se or scared my spider eat ur spider, let me know, no obligation, no pressure. smile.gif There will always be another spider, another time. icon_rolleyes.gif

Terrorist: How? Have you caught any spider yet? if i can, do u want to follow me go visit viper if he ok?
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hmm.. i go try search around my house here punye padang , see got or not..
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Banglo spider win easily. Just short push and the new bigt spider gave up and ran.  Try to fight again 2nd time but still lose and ran.
Haiz.. why not fierce 1? rclxub.gif Big oso leh.. tongue.gif 

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Banglo king looks like a good fighter. Is the new one a young male? It may explain the short fight.
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Ya.. the new spider is big adult spider. Same size like the banglo spider.
So far most of the males spider i caught cant give any good fight for banglo spider. Just few push den ran away ady.
Now the new adult spider kecut ady. alwys run when see other spider. Will need few days bfr it can be brave 2 fight again.

The best fight so far is still my house garden spider vs banana leaf spider. Can see the fight last longer abit and got few bitting here and there bfr one ran off.



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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Jan 25 2008, 10:50 AM)
Banglo king looks like a good fighter.  Is the new one a young male?  It may explain the short fight.
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Added on January 25, 2008, 9:38 pmHiya.... not many LYN people here interested to play fighting spider ar? I see response very low.

If got more ppl play den more fun.

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yo, guys, yesterday busy so din surf.

Yeah. Big spider doesnt mean fierce. may need to keep a while to see. Let it keep fighting smaller males. Then after few days try again with banglo. maybe fight will be better then again maybe not. Fierce spiders not easy to find.

Your banglo spider is building up a lot of confidence. Good ah. rclxms.gif

I remember once my elder brother and I each caught our first king. That time i was maybe primary 2 or 3 studying in singapore and he is primary 6. Our dad was away on company business trip so we decided to keep our first kings until our dad come back so he also can watch the fight. We kept it like for about a week or so. That time seems long to me because as small kid so eager to see the fight and also half the day after school noting to do but play spider. So we both trained our first king. I keep letting it fight other spiders hoping maybe to find another first king and also training. But this king stayed as first king. My brother also the same. Everyday we feed it big big. Both our spiders nearly same size. Both spiders never fought before. For this long we keep it until dad came home. Then we fight, it was around noon i remember. Both placed on match box. Wah.... strong fight...chop chop push push chop again and again then they went onto my hand as i was holding the match box...still fighting on my forearm!! They fought halfway down my forearm. Geng man. But i could see mine constantly being chop and push backwards. Eventually mine lost. So sad that time. I remember on the same day... i went out to find some more spiders. I climb onto railings beside a moonson drain and catch spider from some very small leaf creepers (just enough to fit one spider) growing on some school fence next to the railings. And i caught 2 males...very sensitive..slightly open leaf already jump out. But unfortunately for the spiders...it jump onto dry flat cement land with only a bit of short grass..easily catch la. Then I fought it with my first king...first king lost! New king...very fierce. Later my old first king grew very old and black and I let it go... What happened to my new first king and my brother spider...i cannot remember... wheather they fought also cannot remember. Hehe...nice memories but sometimes not complete...

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Date - 24/1/08 (Fri)
Time spent - 6.00pm - 7.30pm
Venue - Puchong
Reason there - Got home early because meeting with boss ended early
Venue type - Roadside..new housing area
Plant type - Shade - Tall wayside trees, shrubs- 3 leave creeper(those found in kelapa sawit plantation)
Insects - no mosquitoes!..got la..one or two, fruit flies, gnats

This is a nice place to catch spiders. It's safe because its beside the road. Across the road is a new fully occupied rumah pangsa with people going in and out. This road leads to a dead end, but not for long cuz development is going on. Beside the road are tall way sidetrees, and a deep drain but can easily step over. After that the land drops and you have the shrubs running parallel with the road. After that is actually a bare muddy shallow ditch and then you have vast area(5-10 arces maybe) of flat, cleared land ready for housing development. I went down behind the shrubs..so while I am actually inches away from public but I can't be seen becuz of the scrubs and I am stepping on land about 5 feet lower than the road. I was skeptical wheather there are any spiders here because while i heard these plants got spiders, I have hardly catch any from them in my life.

So I searched...found a young. Got la...Search somemore... a fat adult female. I din catch it. Found another female with eggs. Ok la...sure got male somewhere. Aha...found one..I saw its tail when i open a leave in the shrubs...I quickly let it close back. I took my plastic bag and carefully place it under the nest...then i carefully cut the leaves. After securing the nest in the bag. I look inside the nest. Ah? no spider. I look at the plastic bag. Also no spider. Wah so fast jump already. The location is such that it is no point waiting because the area it probably has jump into is deep in the shrub, full of branches and very dark and deep. Aiyah.. So i continue to search. Actually there was only a small patch of land than can easily stand there. Further along the shrubs and grass is the yellow mud ditch. While the ditch is only shallow rain water..the mud is quite thick and soft so it was difficult to walk along the shrubs. Only certain places can easily stand while others impossible without either flattening the shrubs or standing in the mud. But anyway I tried. Guess wat. In total I probably found about 4 adult females with eggs and 4 very fat adult females and several young spiders. Except for the male that got away..cannot find any other male!! Not even small one. Surely there must be more than one male to fertilize so many females. And I'm quite sure hardly anyone would come here because there was no tracks and the plants were not flatten before I came. The total length of the roadside shrubs I search was maybe 20-25 feet.

Then while I was squating down and searching somewhere along the little path to come down, I suddenly looked down and saw leeches!! Wah... 5-6 of them all crawling towards me. One or two climbing up my shoe and one on my tracks! Yikes, I stood up and took out my scissors and cut 2-3 of them in half. This part of the area got a lot of leeches because it was near a drain coming from the flats and have kangkong plants around. So I moved further away towards cleared standing ground. Phew. Nevertheless despite much searching till almost dark, 7.30-7-45pm, I couldnt find another male. I was so dissatisfied. I took home one fat female and accidently one female with eggs(cuz i didnt know it had eggs when i cut the nest). I think to myself, "I'm coming back."


Added on January 26, 2008, 3:17 amDate - 25/1/08 (Fri)
Time spent - 6.00pm - 7.30pm
Venue - same as above
Reason there - Half day
Venue type - same as above
Plant type - same as above
Insects - same as above

I'm back! Haha. Now now where are you mr. male? As I was walking down, I noticed there are MORE leeches because it rained a bit earlier. So they can crawl about much more. (leeches need to be in constant contact with moisture..otherwise they dry up and die) Within 2 minutes I was there, I was surrounded by leeches!! 5-6 climbing up my shoes, 2 on my socks, trying to bite through! another 2 climbing up my tracks. OMG...how to continue? I searched for my scissors...alamak didn't bring. Then got an idea. I took out my mosquitoe repellent branded "OFF". I smeared some onto a leech as it was biting my hand. Off it fell. Aha. It works. Yes, this brand of mosquitoe repellent contain the active ingredient DEET and leeches are afraid of it. I was once told by my fishing friend that he sprayed baigon onto his boots whenever he fishes deep in the jungle and no leech would climb up. Maybe baigon contain similar chemical. So i started smearing OFF around my shoes and my arms and on all those @#%$
leeches climbing on me. All fell off. Phew, problem settled. Continue hunting.

As I was searching around the shrub, I looked back and saw a bright young female walking around where i just stepped. Ah... maybe virgin female for bighead. As I was about to catch it, I saw nest 2 inch from the ground...and legs...of a male. Ah.. gotcha. Before I could catch it, I heard someone walking round the shrub toward me... Eh? who come here? it was a malay guy carrying a 1 year old kid, plucking some plants(not kangkong). When he saw me, he stopped and then turned to go into the kangkong area, still plucking. I said to him, "Boleh makan ke?" He said, "Boleh...ini pucuk paku(ferns shoot)" He continued," Good for health, this is organic food!" I said, "Wah, sini banyak pacat(leeches) la". He said," Ya, I SUKA pacat!Pacat gigit boleh keluarkan darah kotor!" WALAU. Good la. Hopefully all the pacat go to him since he moving around so much and in the area full of them. Both i pity the kid he was carrying becuz only got short sleeves shirt and shorts on. His bare footed legs were danggling and touching those kangkong as his dad bend down to pluck his salad. You know la, when there is movement, these leeches would climb up plants with their body standing and blood sucking mouth held high up to latch onto its victim once they pass by.

Anyway... this time I caught the male. Average size. But matured male. Probably the romeo which have been going round. Happy. After some searching I got bored because cannot find, so I started catching fruit flies and some other types of flies to bring home. Then I decided to walk the vast land to just look around. As I walk i realize the end of this land is actually...undeveloped forest land. While visible it is quite far, maybe half km or more. At the edge are some banana trees and shrubs...Ah...new place, new hope. Suddenly i looked, wah...got cows coming towards me to graze on the plants growing on this land. I looked at the 2 cows, they looked at me. I think maybe another day.. so I turned back towards the road. i then decided i want to explore further up the road. So I went back on the road and started walking towards the dead end. There were many shrubs and different type of plants... here and there i looked i saw some young. People opposite walking home from school were probably wondering what i was searching for..but i dont care la. Not doing crime. Eventually I saw a nest which the top leaf is big and rough type. The bottom a smaller leave..inside a big male... nice. I used my fingernails to very slowly break the stem of the leaves. Once on some bare ground, I squeezed it out and put in my container. Young male, bright colour. Big but not very big. Maybe can win bigguns. It was nearly 7.35pm. Almost night already... so i headed back to my car some 200meters away. Happy ending for the day...

New spiders
1. first spider - i call Lowland cuz found on lowland
2. 2nd spider - i call Bigleaf cuz found on bigleave

Fight time for new spiders

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1. Lowland(topright) vs topman(bottomleft) - lowland won with 1 chop

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2. Bigguns(topright) vs lowland(bottomleft) - lowland lost with just long push

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3. Bigguns(right) vs Bigleaf - Bigleaf lost with just 1 chop

4. Bigleaf vs lowland - Bigleaf won with push

Aiyah..new spiders not so geng afterall. Fights not exciting so no point uploading video clips.

Lowland is bigger than topman, hence easy win.
Maybe bigleaf still young, so no challenge for bigguns. But can see bigleaf maybe very very slightly smaller than bigguns.

Bighead is way above. I fought bighead and bigguns a couple of times. Hardly even one chop bigguns fled. Even when i took bigguns while it was actively walking round its home and bighead was sleeping quietly. I havent seen bigguns fought a good fight before.

Current male ranking
1. Bighead

2. Bigguns
3. Bigleaf

4. Lowland

5. Topman
6. Bro1
7. Blurman

8. Bro2

The reason i separated the rankings as such is because of size matching. The exciting matches is actually from the bottom. Topman, Bro1 and Blurman fighting with each is much more exciting because they are fairly evenly matched in size. Blurman is a rising star. It has one trait u can count on. It will chop FIRST. Actually Blurman arms are longer than topman. Later I'll upload some cool clips from these trio.

Here is a comparison between bighead and topman. No need say who win this fight.
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Added on January 26, 2008, 3:17 amDate - 25/1/08 (Fri)

I took out my mosquitoe repellent branded "OFF". I smeared some onto a leech as it was biting my hand. Off it fell. Aha. It works. Yes, this brand of mosquitoe repellent contain the active ingredient DEET and leeches are afraid of it. I was once told by my fishing friend that he sprayed baigon onto his boots whenever he fishes deep in the jungle and no leech would climb up. Maybe baigon contain similar chemical. So i started smearing OFF around my shoes and my arms and on all those @#%$
leeches climbing on me. All fell off. Phew, problem settled. Continue hunting.

Pacat gigit boleh keluarkan darah kotor!" WALAU.

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Walau is right. I have no idea people in a modern country can still believe in the false medical practice of Blood Letting. It was debunked since the 19th century, man. All it causes is anemia.

Thanks for the post. It is a very funny one. One comment on your mosquito repellent. It may not be the DEET that the lintah-lintah reacted to. It could be the alcohol in liquid.

BigLeaf looks like a good sized challenger.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Jan 26 2008, 05:42 PM)
Walau is right.  I have no idea people in a modern country can still believe in the false medical practice of Blood Letting.  It was debunked since the 19th century, man.  All it causes is anemia.

Thanks for the post.  It is a very funny one.  One comment on your mosquito repellent.  It may not be the DEET that the lintah-lintah reacted to.  It could be the alcohol in liquid.

BigLeaf looks like a good sized challenger.
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Lets look at the fights of blurman. Although at this point of time he lost almost all its fight, but he is a good fighter.
The reason is because although he starts with pushing but so far he always manage to be the first to chop the other spider.

Blurman
Caught on 17/01/08 in Ampang as a "medium" sized male(havent changed skin)
20/1/08 - changed skin - see post #51, page3

21/01/08
bro2 vs blurman(lost) - longpush

22/01/08(2nd day after changed skin)
blurman(won) vs bro2 - shortpush

bro1 vs blurman(lost) - 1 chop by blurman first
bro1(top) vs blurman(bottom)
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23/01/08
bro2 vs blurman(lost)
Blurman lost back to bro2 but blurman initiated 3 chops! It lost most probably because bro2 has an advantage called backup support advantage. Spiders that are pushed to a corner will fight a bit harder because it thinks it can't escape. Because blurman still young it fled after finding bro2 standing firm for so long.
bro2(left) vs blurman(right)
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see video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNWoeqrDQGc

25/01/08
bro1 vs blurman(lost) - blurman again chop first and push bro1 until they rolled off the leave!!... cant see already. But after that I think bro1 won because blurman a bit kecut. So i dont fight them.
bro1(right) vs blurman(left)
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see video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieurw6azjik

Now i'm feeding a lot to blurman. See how he fair a few days from now. Do you think in 3 days blurman will eventually win bro1 and topman?
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Yesterday met up with Mindstorm for spider fight in the evening tongue.gif .

He brought all his spiders.. got about 6 spiders. His Big Head and Big Gun is really big... much bigger than my Banglo spider. laugh.gif
Its been very long time since i saw and play with big fighting spiders. Mindstorm spiders really big and Keng!

I choose to fight with his smallest spider - Bro1, slightly smaller size than Banglo but Bro1 arms is longer abit.
Just some arm pushing and i think got 1 chop before Bro1 ran away.

2nd Match fight with LowLand spider. LowLand spider slightly bigger size.
Arm pushing only and Banglo spider ran off.
Try to fight again but still same short push and retreat.

Mindstorm got capture the fight using his webcam. Later he'll post it up here. icon_idea.gif

I didn't fight with Mindstorm other spider coz its size is much bigger.

Mindstorm gave me his spider - LowLand as a present rclxm9.gif He got alot spiders to take care.
Man.. i prefer to get Big Guns or Big Head instead tongue.gif

Yeah. Mindstorm, do post up all your long spider fighter match.. damn good fight.. I want to save it and keep as collection. icon_idea.gif

This morning i let Banglo fight with LowLand. Working afternoon shift 2day.. tongue.gif

1st round
Both arm pushing and 2-3 chops. The last chop sent LowLand ran away.
Wow.. didn't expect Banglo can win coz yesterday lost.

2nd round.
Again... strong pushing by both spiders. LowLand give good counter attck.
Each spider chop once and in the end Banglo retreat.

3rd round.
Arm pushing and again.. got 3chops. The last chop from LowLand made Banglo retreat.
LowLand is the winner.

No pics or video. Today fight between Banglo and LowLand is exciting. Both spider can continuous fight 3 rounds and not kecut.
Good fighters.


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wahaha....U all fight d....Good match I think....Nowonder mindstorm say if some one can defeat biggun he willing to buy from the guy RM20......cooll
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Come fight with my spider tongue.gif

Perhaps it is more useful if you can share your experiance on keeping/breeding these spiders, that is a much interesting sharing to me IMO
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haiz.. around my place really don have fighting spider sad.gif .. need to go some ulu ulu place already.



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You can read the earlier pages, got some tips on how to keep the spider.

Where's your spider, if its the same type can PM Mindstorm for good spider fight.

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Come fight with my spider tongue.gif

Perhaps it is more useful if you can share your experiance on keeping/breeding these spiders, that is a much interesting sharing to me IMO
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Added on January 28, 2008, 7:22 pmOkla.. yesterday evening fight abit disappointed coz Banglo didn't give a good fight for LowLand. Banglo only managed to defeat Bro1.

This morning fight is much more exciting but too bad, i didnt take any video. doh.gif
Maybe the spider is more active in the day time.

If i'm not bz working, i'll spend more time to find bigger spider to fight with Mindstorm.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(pitinn @ Jan 28 2008, 03:53 PM)
wahaha....U all fight d....Good match I think....Nowonder mindstorm say if some one can defeat biggun he willing to buy from the guy RM20......cooll
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Added on January 28, 2008, 9:14 pmSpiders: basic resource information
http://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/educatio...piders/spiders/

Keeping spiders
http://www.spiderzrule.com/care.htm

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Whoa, I'm envious. Sounds like it was good fun.

I don't know if Ulu Ulu places necessarily have the best fighting spiders. Bighead was caught in the middle of the city, in a place with very few predators and a gardener to take care of the plants. Unfortunately you have to pay to get in. tongue.gif
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What a day that was!

Good to hear lowland and banglo are putting up a good show for you. nod.gif That's why I gave you lowland because I think they are much more evenly match. If I give you bigguns, you won't have nice fights. Just short pushes only.
As i mentioned before in one of my youtube videos, nice fights come from evenly matched sized spiders which are not too kecut. Having a huge spider by itself like bighead is not much fun(although happy and proud to have him,thanks Dan) because no other spider comes close to putting up a good fight with him.

Thanks, viper, for showing me around your area and places where you got your spideys. You stay in a beautiful place. Viper also brought me up to a high spot where I can view KLCC and many parts of KL. Cool thumbup.gif

Anyway, here are the fight pics. I didn't upload the clips cuz they were quite short fights and also I seem to have trouble trying to upload to youtube, very slow these past 2 days, even though I try getting up at 4 to upload or early morning at 8am.

1. Banglo(top) vs Bro1(bottom)
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Comments: Banglo won with one chop. The chop was a fast one. Bro1 did not hold on when chop but straight away fled. Bro1 did not put up a fight with Banglo although I thot they quite similar size. From pics looks like bro1 bigger but that's because my video was angled with bro1 nearer.

2. Lowland(right) vs Banglo(left)
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Comments: At first Banglo push Lowland backwards a few steps but after that lowland won while still pushing. No chop. Maybe Banglo tired after previous fight. Sometimes we should not assume spiders wont get tired even if one chop or just push. I think any animal fighting will get tired. We fight second time almost immediately after first fight. Next time we better let a spider rest 5-10 min before fighting.


If you keep your spiders healthy they will fight well many times. Although important to feed your spider daily, I realize overfed spiders with very fat abdomen don't really fight that fiercely. We think that with a fat abdomen, the spider will be heavier and hence harder for the opponent to push it or lift it. However a fat abdomen also becomes a burden to the spider because the abdomen is behind the legs hence it will actually weigh the spider down and makes it harder for it to push forward too.

Interestingly pushing is not only a test of strength but also to see who is taller? The spider on the left which stood a bit taller won the push in this old pic i have
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On Sunday before I met viper i also went to scout for spiders.

I was in kepong and went to a nearby forest. Still outside in civilized area before reaching the forest, I found the most crippled male I ever caught in my life from the wild..five legs only. Wonder how it lost so many legs. 2 from left, and one from right. May have been attacked by ants. When I drop him, he doesn't bother climbing up his own web, he just drop all the way.

First pic - caught him in this plants. Viper: Are these daun sirih leaves you were talking about?
Second pic - Wonder how he still manage to survive.
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After walking about 15-20min I came to the forest edge. I saw quite suitable plants here and there and open a few nests. I saw a few tiny small young. Got la. So I search somemore. Now I am about 10 meters into the forest path when I opened a nest, I saw a funny looking spider I never seen before. It is quite small, all black, thin, but have long arms. Its tail move up and down slowly while walking. Quite difficult to catch. It is restless and wouldn't keep still once out in the open. I tried to catch it, but it kept jumping from one leave to another... until it came near another nest... I couldnt resist opening that nest... wooooh... I saw a THIANIA...BUT NOT BHAMOENSIS. Another species but same genus. This one was big but is old cuz of its movement. It is a female because there is a broken old egg nest in its nest. From the big you can see that this thiania full grown head size is much bigger than our normal fighting spiders. Apparently the small ones I saw earlier which i thot was thiania bhamoensis were not but another type. I tried to find for about another hour for a male specimen but in vain. I caught a few younger ones and took them home to rear them.

left-jungle plants, right - jungle path
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new thiania - smaller specimen
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new thiania - bigger specimen(old female)
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Bro2 trying to mate the old female - notice the head size difference
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The small black spider which brought me to the new thiania species...itself maybe a thiania. Notice the sharp spikes on its arms. Our normal fighting spider also got...but barely visible.
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After searching for so long and cannot find the male specimen, i thot maybe they live up the trees! I tried shaking violently a couple of small trees to see wheather any would drop down...nope, none.
Second pic shows a how secure their nest can be. Look at the number of webs they create to secure the two leaves. But this is a dried up leave of a empty nest i found already fallen on the ground.
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I believe the male specimen looks like this(pic taken by a macro photographer)
http://www.apbworks.co.nz/ft_06.htm

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 28 2008, 11:18 PM)
On Sunday before I met viper i also went to scout for spiders.

I was in kepong and went to a nearby forest. Still outside in civilized area before reaching the forest, I found the most crippled male I ever caught in my life from the wild..five legs only. Wonder how it lost so many legs. 2 from left, and one from right. May have been attacked by ants. When I drop him, he doesn't bother climbing up his own web, he just drop all the way.

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The most cacat male I've seen was one with only 2 front claws. He must have just gotten hurt recently, because I doubt he could catch anything with just 2 legs. I once saw a chop female that was very hurt too, but I don't remember the details.

Thanks for posting the variant Thianias. Very cool to look at.

I'm thinking, to find a challenger to Bighead, you have to go back to the same place he was caught.

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wah bro, u let the small black spider fight with ur spiders ?
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Nope. This is the daun sirih which i used to catch the spider in skool.

http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirih

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 29 2008, 02:18 PM)
First pic - caught him in this plants. Viper: Are these daun sirih leaves you were talking about?
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Added on January 30, 2008, 7:08 pmBro1 left arm is longer abit, see pic 1 & 2. At 1st before fight, i think Bro1 long arm will have more advantage over Banglo. Bro1 left arm seems longer than his right arm. Longer arm can

I think Bro1 lost because he had fought with few other strong spider earlier like Blurman etcs...

Ya, the taller spider will have advantage to bite or push its enemy during fight. Both spider will stand higher during fight to give itself a better fighting position. Some fierce spider can bite its enemy so hard till it ran away. I got saw before a fighting spider lost one of its teeth during fight. Got bitten off by its opponent sweat.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 29 2008, 01:22 PM)
1. Banglo(top) vs Bro1(bottom)
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Comments: Banglo won with one chop. The chop was a fast one. Bro1 did not hold on when chop but straight away fled. Bro1 did not put up a fight with Banglo although I thot they quite similar size. From pics looks like bro1 bigger but that's because my video was angled with bro1 nearer.

Interestingly pushing is not only a test of strength but also to see who is taller? The spider on the left which stood a bit taller won the push in this old pic i have
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How do i find nests....it seems quite interesting and i have a small forest behind my house so yea im interested
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Try to look for leaves tat overlapping each other. Normally the leaves are big like ur palm size. Sometimes those small long leaf like Lily, pandan oso got fighting spider. Try to open the leaf slowly and c whether got spider inside onot. If got, try to cut off its rear end bring it out to more wide area and put it into a case. Remember to cut and take the leaf slowly.. the spiders are quite wild, it will ran or jump off from the leaf very fast if u are not careful. tongue.gif Ya.. watch out for red ants, bees, snakes, lizards etcs.. dun go to those dangerous places leh.

Check out today fight.

Banglo vs Lowland.

Banglo is running here and there eventho saw LowLand already waiting to fight. Banglo doesnt seem want to fight aggressively more like wanna run away. tongue.gif Once close, both spiders exchange arm blows and start pushing.
The arm attack from both spider lasted quite awhile, Banglo able to push Lowland few step back and just with 1 chop defeated LowLand.

Heres the video.
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The 2nd round fight was a short 1, just arm pushing and Lowland retreat already. Don't want to post the video coz its not exciting ma. laugh.gif

Should wait and see Mindstorm spider fight video. He got one video where both the spider fight fiercely bitting each others so many times without retreat. Its a long fight. In the end, the spider which lost retreat but managed to injured its opponent leg also. shocking.gif
Wow... wat a fight.


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QUOTE(Lockheart @ Jan 30 2008, 08:22 PM)
How do i find nests....it seems quite interesting and i have a small forest behind my house so yea im interested
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Mangrovejumper: Wah, 2 legs? verge of death... I think most likely ants cuz last time i once threw a house spider at a group of ants(kerangga) i think... one ant graped its legs and immediately the house spider broke it off to escape death. So I think that 2 legged spider most lucky to be able to break off 6 legs to save its own life but sad to be left with 2...

Terrorist: Nope they din fight. The small black spider too small la... it ran away when Bro2 moved closer.
Those small spiders are mighty cute actually. Even without fighting, they make very cute pets. They are quite hand friendly too like our normal fighting spider. I've been feeding them fruit flies.

Viper: You seem to have witness a lot of appendage breaking fights... Actually these fights very rare. I think in my life i probably saw not more than 5 - 6 times these kinda fights. Of cuz this is not counting those unfair fights like repeatly putting a already weaken, smaller male to a bigger fierce one. Small boy that time do, but now I dont. Once i think, i saw middle legs gone too from a fair fight. Dunno how they turn and turn and one of the middle legs got bitten off and eaten.

Lockheart: Where you stay? Maybe you take a pic of your forest(one far, one close up on their leaves) and show us and we can tell you wheather likely to have fighting spiders or not.


Mangrovejumper: I have a way to compare sizes of spiders across generations even though they are dead. But must take their picture against a 1mm grid paper. I then do some tweaking with photoshop to resize, rotate and align the grids of different pictures and wala.. you can compare their size to see which is bigger. Also can roughly measure their head width like i did in the pic below. I drew a line(yellow) across their heads and rotate that line and place it against the grid. I think need to measure head length too cuz can see a noticable difference too. The pic below is all_blacks(top) and bighead(bottom). I think bighead head width is about 2.5mm and all_blacks head width about 2.45mm?
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Too bad we don't have a pic of AJAX, your aclaimed all time HUGE spider. smile.gif The biggest fighting spider I saw was not mine but of a boy I met on the street when I was in primary school in singapore. He was catching spiders with his friends in a deserted plant nursery. When he opened to let me see...gosh..it was incredibly big and was so fierce it charged(very fast i remember) at its oponent on the matchbox and its oponent just fled without daring to fight. I asked him where he caught it and he said beside the drain. So till today I believe big spiders are found near water area because firstly there are more insects near wet areas and secondly plently of water enable spider to expand more when moulting. (Some people say that tai sui pao(big water spider) cannot fight...but that was certainly not the case). Interestingly dry areas usually you get small spiders.

Today I was sooooooooooo HAPPY!!! Guess why? Bighead mated with the biggest and fiercest female I got!! This female called Bigqueen was caught from Puchong and her head size is almost as big as bighead himself. Her size is not easy to find for a female. Bigqueen actually laid a batch of eggs on the 10/01/08(unknown male) but unfortunately she ate them on same day cuz I tried to inspect her eggs. So I was WRONG in postulating female spiders only mate once. Looks like in general they don't mate because they are pregnant or still carrying sperm from previous mating. After eating her eggs, I still kept Bigqueen because of her size and maybe i thot she would lay again.(because I was thinking spiders mate once and can keep laying eggs) But curiously i realize she was not getting any fatter after 20 days. So I thot just see wat happens i put her with bighead. Bigqueen put up a angry stance at first but after much persistant dancing around, bighead managed to mount her after a short while(1 minute maybe). No second round though. HAHA! i was elated! Man, her brood I will treat it like GOLD. Two of the biggest specimens I got...

Also today I saw a tiny baby in the container of the female i mated with THE Quietman. Walao... only one left... I fed the female and then inspect her nest a bit.. as i suspected...she had two nest! The first one on the bottom leave already empty...dunno when babies came out. There was another one on the top leave with eggs still inside. Anyway I took the last survivor baby of the first nest and kept it in another container. I placed a leave and some soil with springtails for it as food. Hopefully it will eat it. Tomorrow I'm thinking of removing the female and let the second batch of eggs develop without her.

Anyway to answer HuonHengChai about posting information about breeding, there you have it, cuz I'm still finding out. Searching the net I can't find anyone else trying to breed jumping spiders. Other spiders got la.

Some notes and challenges I faced when trying to breed fighting spiders
1. Gestation period(from mating to laying eggs) of a virgin female takes about 18 days(so far one account only)
2. A female can lay 2 broods of eggs in one leave nest(2 accounts-one wild and one from quietman's wife)
3. Female cannot hold back laying eggs when time is up even if no suitable nest as a female has been seen laying eggs on the side of a porcelain pot/vase hence it is opened(account by mangrovejumper)
4. Females would eat their own eggs if you tear their nest and expose their eggs even if you close it back immediately
5. Eggs laid and removed from females may not hatch. They can just turn brown and dry up.
6. Once I took home a batch of eggs with the female and separated the female. The nest I open to see the eggs. After that I just left in a container...guess what happened. Next day I noticed it turned brown! Few more days, it looked dried up and shrunken! What happened?? Did they female bite the eggs and kill them as I was transporting her home because of the movement and stress? Or... was it because of LIGHT? I remember once my brother kept a batch of eggs and managed to hatch all of them after what seems like a long long time(maybe 2 weeks or a month). I also remember he kept it in a matchbox...dark inside. So I am thinking that strong light may somehow kill the eggs that's why eggs removed from female but exposed wont hatch!
Soon we'll find out...


Anyway, I applied for Streamyx(1.0mbps) yesterday...so hopefully in a couple of days, i can easily upload more interesting fighting clips.....

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 31 2008, 04:31 PM)
Banglo is running  here and there eventho saw LowLand already waiting to fight. Banglo doesnt seem want to fight aggressively more like wanna run away.  tongue.gif  Once close, both spiders exchange arm blows and start pushing.
The arm attack from both spider lasted quite awhile, Banglo able to push Lowland few step back and just with 1 chop defeated LowLand.

Heres the video.
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The 2nd round fight was a short 1, just arm pushing and Lowland retreat already. Don't want to post the video coz its not exciting ma. laugh.gif
Saw ur video. Nice. Quality not bad. U shld have recorded those triple chop fights earlier u had. Wld have like to see them. Banglo seems a bit gila. But looks like Banglo is on a winning streak against Lowland. Wah you fight them everyday? Shld let them rest a day or two, feed them a lot then fight again. Maybe u shld let lowland see female or fight with house garden spider for confidence trainning.

If i stay near u, i sure wld bring a new good fighter to fight Banglo...Blurman.
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 31 2008, 12:21 PM)
Too bad we don't have a pic of AJAX, your aclaimed all time HUGE spider.  (Some people say that tai sui pao(big water spider) cannot fight...but that was certainly not the case). Interestingly dry areas usually you get small spiders.

Also today I saw a tiny baby in the container of the female i mated with THE Quietman. Walao... only one left... I fed the female and then inspect her nest a bit.. as i suspected...she had two nest! The first one on the bottom leave already empty...dunno when babies came out. There was another one on the top leave with eggs still inside. Anyway I took the last survivor baby of the first nest and kept it in another container. I placed a leave and some soil with springtails for it as food. Hopefully it will eat it. Tomorrow I'm thinking of removing the female and let the second batch of eggs develop without her.

Some notes and challenges I faced when trying to breed fighting spiders
1. Gestation period(from mating to laying eggs) of a virgin female takes about 18 days(so far one account only)
2. A female can lay 2 broods of eggs in one leave nest(2 accounts-one wild and one from quietman's wife)
3. Female cannot hold back laying eggs when time is up even if no suitable nest as a female has been seen laying eggs on the side of a porcelain pot/vase hence it is opened(account by mangrovejumper)
4. Females would eat their own eggs if you tear their nest and expose their eggs even if you close it back immediately
5. Eggs laid and removed from females may not hatch. They can just turn brown and dry up.
6. Once I took home a batch of eggs with the female and separated the female. The nest I open to see the eggs. After that I just left in a container...guess what happened. Next day I noticed it turned brown! Few more days, it looked dried up and shrunken! What happened?? Did they female bite the eggs and kill them as I was transporting her home because of the movement and stress? Or... was it because of LIGHT? I remember once my brother kept a batch of eggs and managed to hatch all of them after what seems like a long long time(maybe 2 weeks or a month). I also remember he kept it in a matchbox...dark inside. So I am thinking that strong light may somehow kill the eggs that's why eggs removed from female but exposed wont hatch!

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Interesting scientific observations. With the amount of data you'll have by the end of this year, you can probably publish a paper on it!

Ajax was from a time where we didn't have enough resources and guidance to document our experiences. It was also from a time that I always had at least one chop spider among my collection. Those were the days when hot spots were bountiful and KL wasn't as developed as it is now. I agree that the biggest fighting spiders always tend to live in areas with plenty of moisture and adequate shade, but enough sunlight. I've never found big males in the middle of the hutan belantara.

Did Quietman's female get enough food to keep her satisfied? I assume she ate all the rest of the hatchlings.

The "big spider star" nest that I had 2 months ago didn't have a female watching over the batch of eggs and they hatched even though the leaf got dry and turned brown. So I'm not really sure if the mother is needed to care for the eggs, other than guard them against predators.
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Here's tis morning fight.

Banglo vs LowLand

1st round. Start with arm pushing, Banglo at top push and chop LowLand backwards. LowLand gives a good counter attack and chop back at Banglo pushing it back to rear of leaf. Later LowLand gave another chop forcing Banglo to move downwards but suddenly Lowland also ran off. It seems like Lowland win but actually Banglo won coz Lowland retreat.

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/C492CF4B1AE2E0F0

2nd round. Just short arm pushing and LowLand ran away.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/AE84B5896BBACE5F

Normally i let the spiders fight alternate day, only once a while let them fight the next day. Nowdays the spider also seems not hungry. Feed them abt 2-3 days once.

Yesterday went to Titiwangsa and KL Tower forest to catch spider. Dang it was raining!... din manage to find anything at Titiwangsa coz by the time reach there the rain starts ady. I decided to leave for KL Tower forest. At KL Tower forest, only managed to catch 3 average size female fighting spider, 1 adult male spider but its a different type so i let it go.flex.gif. The males spider nest is quite big, its hiding in is nest (looks like alien hiding inside a coccoon, i tot strike gold ady... but after peel off its nest, its a big male spider but not a fighting spider! mad.gif Dang....Then it start to rain at KL tower forest also. Walk all the way out from the forest, soaked till my skin. blink.gif

Waited till about 5.30pm, but it still drizzling, went back to KL Tower forest only for 30 mins coz tat place close at 6pm. No luck oso, coz its getting dark ady and the place is slippery. Heard alot of ppl say, normally all the snakes, scorpions, centipede loves to come out after rain to get dry. sweat.gif Abit scared oso coz i'm alone at the forest so fast fast go home and release the female spiders to my house garden again.. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 2 2008, 01:41 AM)
Saw ur video. Nice. Quality not bad. U shld have recorded those triple chop fights earlier u had. Wld have like to see them. Banglo seems a bit gila. But looks like Banglo is on a winning streak against Lowland. Wah you fight them everyday? Shld let them rest a day or two, feed them a lot then fight again. Maybe u shld let lowland see female or fight with house garden spider for confidence trainning.

If i stay near u, i sure wld bring a new good fighter to fight Banglo...Blurman.
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Today after work, exercise abit den off again go look for fighting spider. tongue.gif
Caught 4 females and 1 adult male. The adult male about same size like Banglo but slightly smaller than LowLand. Caught all the spiders from Lily leaves, so i name the new male fighting spider as Lily. laugh.gif Man.. i still cant find any big fierce fighting spider yet... rolleyes.gif

Banglo vs Lily
1st Round
Banglo push and chop Lily, Lily push abit back and chop Banglo. Banglo retreat.

2nd Round & 3rd Round
Just short push only and Banglo ran off.


LowLand vs Lily
1st Round
LowLand charge close to Lily. Lily still not realize LowLand is already in front, coz bz looking at my pda camera..wanted to jump r?
When Lily saw LowLand.. both start using arms to wack. After awhile, Lily ran off. Maybe not yet ready to fight?

2nd Round
This time Lily saw LowLand 1st and get ready to fight. LowLand caught by suprise but immediately gives good counter attk. Both spider just arm fighting only. In the end Lily retreat.


Heres the video
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Video quality so so coz taken indoor summore its ady nite 7pm++.

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Whaoho..viper! Looks like you're going into wilder areas to hunt for 1st king yeah? Good man! Hope you can find big strong challenger! Yeah..this couple of weeks raining alot... I also always wanted to go catch spider then start rainning. So nowadays I always look at sky, if i see rain clouds around, I might as well forget about it. Tuesday i was at Great Eastern... wait for my wife at 5.30 pm but was there at 4.30, you know la what i would do with that extra time...but unfortunately at 5.00pm the sky look like 7.30pm!! Then started pouring...At 5.45pm, outside look like 8.00pm!

Wah, seems like now you have A beat B, B beat C and C beat A situation. Banglo beat Lowland, Lowland beat Lily, Lily beat Banglo. Heheh.. also means all quite equal. Keep them and feed them well. Aiyah..3-4 days eat once very sad la. Why dont you feed one spider twice a day and another one 3 days one time. Then you can test your theory (feeding less makes the spider hungrier and a better fighter) wheather correct or not. I think feed too little will
weaken ur spider.

All the spiders you catch which u dont want u release in ur house garden ah? Overpopulation di...

Ur latest video(the zip file) cannot see la. My winzip cannot unzip it. What software you use to zip it?

PS. u go catch spiders, take some pics too..more interesting.

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Ok, I got my streamyx already... pretty fast, in fact blazing fast...at first...then now and then slow down. But ok la...better than dialup

Here are the power struggle fights between topman and bro1..

22/01/08(mentioned before)
Topman(won) vs bro1 - rolled off the screen(no clip)
Topman(right) vs bro1(left) again - topman chased bro1 off paper
see video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoR66ObSVvw

25/01/08
Bro1(right) vs topman(left)
Bro1 won! Bro1 carried topman to the edge of leave..afterthat cannot see. Then when i recovered topman..he was injured! One side leg standing up... Good one from Bro1
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02/02/08
Today I fought the spiders on glass surface(my dining hall coffee table). I always think that if spiders fight on smooth surface(even a smooth leave like money plant leaf), they can fight a bit longer than rough surface because the impact of push and chops would not be so great. It's like boxers wearing gloves to fight. Hence both spiders would receive softer blows and hence the fight would last longer because the weaker one wont run away so fast. You can actually see that as the spiders push each other, their legs keep slipping because of the smooth surface.

Topman(left) vs Bro1(right) - ROUND 1
Short fight with one chop. But can see Bro1 side stepping onto the ledge which cause him to slip and maybe lose abit of confidence.
see video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WYte7HL0LM

Bro1(left) vs Topman(right) - ROUND 2
13 second fight! Fought them again about maybe 15min later from round one. In between both had a fight with Bro2.
Both won Bro2. This round although Topman went all out to topple Bro1 but damn...Bro1 stood on firm ground and wouldnt let up...

After pushing a while, Bro1 started off with a couple of chops
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Topman countered
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Followed by grappling and holding on to each other
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Bro1 SLAMMED Topman onto a container wall!!
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After that topman look a bit dazed yet still try to chop Bro1, but then
Bro1 said no way hosay and Topman fled...

see video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzk1sfCITGE

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Yeah, all the spiders i have not very big n fierce type. Sat quite free, tot can find some fierce big fighting spider at other place beside my house area. tongue.gif Too bad cant find any good ones.

The spiders i have doesnt seems want to eat those flies tat i've caught alive. Not sure whether they eat those dead flies later i throw in onot. Doesnt seem want to drink water oso. I just spray some water into the spider case. Its not tat i dont feed the spider well, just tat the spiders doesnt seem want to eat much sweat.gif

The earlier video i zipped using WIN RAR. Heres the one using WINZIP. icon_idea.gif
Attached File  3Feb08.zip ( 984.68k ) Number of downloads: 14
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Yea.. wheres ur other spider fierce long videos? i want to dl oso.. drool.gif .

Last time i normally trained the spider to chop by fighting it with other type of species spider smaller size. The fighting spider will kill off its opponent.
Fght with the small green grasshoppers oso. icon_idea.gif I also let it fight with 1-2 black ants just to make it gila-gila abit. Fighting spider tend to move franticly when see ants nearby.. dunno why.. either they excited or panic? One of my black fighting spider got bitten by the big ant with pincher on its arm and died. shocking.gif My friend oso told me bfr to feed fierce fighting spider with dead red ants coz red ants bite very stingy n painful. If the spider eat alot red ants juice, its own bite oso will be deadly and painful. tongue.gif Not sure whether true onot la..

The most exciting one is catch a big house flies(its eyes big type) and let the spider kill it off. Last time my fighting spider is big and fierce type, it will terkam at the big flies and kill it after some time coz the flies will struggle abit. tongue.gif The current spider i have, put small plant flies oso it duwan attck it only sometime when its hungry only it will kill the small flies.. haiz.. so much different from last time. cry.gif

The big n fierce type of spider will always eat and drink alot everyday. Its not scared of other bigger insects, and will kill it off oso even its own kind of fighting spider normally the smaller one will die n become its food.

Yeah, train it with female spider n let other spider to fight in its nest also boost the my spider confident to fight fiercely.

Nowdays less time to train spider, after work i oso flat ady...summore go jogging abit... den nite sleep ady. If i train the spider hard like those skool days.. might have chance to beat ur spiders.. kekkekee.. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 4 2008, 02:12 AM)
Whaoho..viper! Looks like you're going into wilder areas to hunt for 1st king yeah? Good man! Hope you can find big strong challenger! Yeah..this couple of weeks raining alot... I also always wanted to go catch spider then start rainning. So nowadays I always look at sky, if i see rain clouds around, I might as well forget about it. Tuesday i was at Great Eastern... wait for my wife at 5.30 pm but was there at 4.30, you know la what i would do with that extra time...but unfortunately at 5.00pm the sky look like 7.30pm!! Then started pouring...At 5.45pm, outside look like 8.00pm!

Wah, seems like now you have A beat B, B beat C and C beat A situation. Banglo beat Lowland, Lowland beat Lily, Lily beat Banglo. Heheh.. also means all quite equal. Keep them and feed them well. Aiyah..3-4 days eat once very sad la. Why dont you feed one spider twice a day and another one 3 days one time. Then you can test your theory (feeding less makes the spider hungrier and a better fighter) wheather correct or not. I think feed too little will
weaken ur spider.

All the spiders you catch which u dont want u release in ur house garden ah? Overpopulation di...

Ur latest video(the zip file) cannot see la. My winzip cannot unzip it. What software you use to zip it?

PS. u go catch spiders, take some pics too..more interesting.
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how to determine fighthing spider a.k.a pow fu ?? i saw few in my garden but i'm not sure isn't it pow fu? It's a slings...
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how to determine fighthing spider a.k.a pow fu ?? i saw few in my garden but i'm not sure isn't it pow fu? It's a slings...
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Slings means spiderlings? Depending on the size, the color may be a bit different. If it is very small, most probably it is still all black but as it grows older, maybe 4mm in length then may be able to see the irridescent greenish/bluish markings on its legs and abdomen like the adults u see in the pics and videos here.

Behaviour wise, they are found in between 2 smooth(non-hairy) leaves stuck together by their web. Usually they are found in plants/creeper under some shade. Very rarely do fighting spiders slings walk about hunting for food. If you see one walking and stopping in the open looking for food, most probably it is not a pow fu. They spend 99% of their time in between the leaves and only come out to strike at a passing ant/insect or if its nest happened to be destroyed or invaded by other insects/spiders. They will then quickly go back into their nest or look for a new one. Adult females are also quite passive. Only the adult males will come out almost daily and wander about to look for females. I think they come out about 2 times a day... usually between 9-10.30 and 4.30 to 6pm depending on the weather.

If u happen to catch an adult, don't hesitate to show it to us. If it is big, dont hesitate to let me know where you stay... smile.gif

here's a couple of pics of only ONE sling i have(Quietman junior)
left pic: small enough just to sit on its Dad's head
right pic: I fed it with a very tiny type of ant that likes fruits...lots of them in my front porch

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 2 2008, 03:50 AM)
Interesting scientific observations.  With the amount of data you'll have by the end of this year, you can probably publish a paper on it!

Ajax was from a time where we didn't have enough resources and guidance to document our experiences.  It was also from a time that I always had at least one chop spider among my collection.  Those were the days when hot spots were bountiful and KL wasn't as developed as it is now.  I agree that the biggest fighting spiders always tend to live in areas with plenty of moisture and adequate shade, but enough sunlight.  I've never found big males in the middle of the hutan belantara.

Did Quietman's female get enough food to keep her satisfied?  I assume she ate all the rest of the hatchlings.

The "big spider star" nest that I had 2 months ago didn't have a female watching over the batch of eggs and they hatched even though the leaf got dry and turned brown.  So I'm not really sure if the mother is needed to care for the eggs, other than guard them against predators.
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Hehe.. this forum itself is a good enuf "paper"... with pictures and videos, I think it is better than reading a scientific paper smile.gif

yeah.. i think so too she ate her young or eggs. But i was feeding her everyday with some fly or ant. Now she has turn quite black..old i think. I have separated her out and let her second batch of eggs hatch on their own...hopefully they do.
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The earlier video i zipped using WIN RAR. Heres the one using WINZIP. icon_idea.gif
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Yea.. wheres ur other spider fierce long videos? i want to dl oso.. drool.gif .

Last time i normally trained the spider to chop by fighting it with other type of species spider smaller size. The fighting spider will kill off its opponent.
Fght with the small green grasshoppers oso. icon_idea.gif I also let it fight with 1-2 black ants just to make it gila-gila abit. Fighting spider tend to move franticly when see ants nearby.. dunno why.. either they excited or panic? One of my black fighting spider got bitten by the big ant with pincher on its arm and died. shocking.gif My friend oso told me bfr to feed fierce fighting spider with dead red ants coz red ants bite very stingy n painful. If the spider eat alot red ants juice, its own bite oso will be deadly and painful. tongue.gif Not sure whether true onot la..

The most exciting one is catch a big house flies(its eyes big type) and let the spider kill it off. Last time my fighting spider is big and fierce type, it will terkam at the big flies and kill it after some time coz the flies will struggle abit. tongue.gif The current spider i have, put small plant flies oso it duwan attck it only sometime when its hungry only it will kill the small flies.. haiz.. so much different from last time. cry.gif

The big n fierce type of spider will always eat and drink alot everyday. Its not scared of other bigger insects, and will kill it off oso even its own kind of fighting spider normally the smaller one will die n become its food.

Yeah, train it with female spider n let other spider to fight in its nest also boost the my spider confident to fight fiercely.

Nowdays less time to train spider, after work i oso flat ady...summore go jogging abit... den nite sleep ady. If i train the spider hard like those skool days.. might have chance to beat ur spiders.. kekkekee.. tongue.gif
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Yeah later I will have a topic on fighting spider records... one of them will be the longest documented fight.

Wah, can fight with grasshopper? Never heard or try that before. I think the spider panic when see many ants cuz ants can kill them. Some fighting spider will eat red ants some don't. I think red ants give out a type of smell which repels the spiders.

Last time when young I always feed house fly to my spiders but nowadays I dont becuz i think feeding them house fly may cause them to die faster because most house fly are quite dirty carrying alot of harmful bacteria or parasites because most will come from the dirty dump.
Last year I caught a lot of spiders and fed them houseflies but all of them died within 1-2 months. I thot was old age but now you told me u kept a spider for 10 months means it cant be. Must be contamination from houseflies. I also read from a singapore forum that this guy also advice against feeding housefly because once he fed his spider housefly and next day it died!

Btw...still cannot unzip ur file la...

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Yes, cny is here. Today i half day and will be having 8 days leave. Yeap, not wanting to waste the evening i went back to leech land in Puchong. Today i tell me story in pictures.

Reach there around 5.25pm. Walao, saw herd of kerbau behind the new rumah pangsa...interesting.. but the place i catch is the other side of the road...
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The other side of the road. I didn't head straight to leech land but further up where i caught big leave, you can see the place is just beside busstop.
Pic on left shows deadend. Pic on right goes back to where i came from. Further back up is leech land.
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First I saw a nest. I open a bit and yes there is a male inside! But unfortunately it jumped away when i tried to cut its leaf... So I explore further back up a bit.
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I went into the shrubs a bit..can't go in much cuz there is a swamp but when i look back..heyhey...saw something...
dunno what these plants are called but their leave is small and soft... so i call them small leave plant, same ones i caught spiders in klang.
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Before i catch this male, i looked around and saw another... heh, while trying to take more pictures of it, it jumped away! anyway eventually i waited and caught it. Also the one before this. Nice. 2 males in my pouch. Right pic shows the location is just beside road.
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Suddenly i saw the busman walking up to me. He pointed and said, "Ular..." Ah... really ular...in the drain. I think it is a grass snake. Maybe someone from snake tread can confirm.
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Anyway i went back to the first place where i lost a male and scouting nearby suddenly i saw a "hangkai pao"(wandering spider)... yeap it is the time of the day where males would wander around looking for food and female.. i think it was around 6.15pm.
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When i tried to catch this guy(the biggest one caught today), it jumped and couldnt find it! Then i just look around and saw another one walking about! smaller one and caught it. Then i saw ANOTHER one also walking around!(nope i did not double type) but this time i did not catch it cuz i think it is small and also quite hard to catch. So i decided to wait for this big male. Wah..wait for 10-15min still did not show up... Got impatient and started searching..no wonder..it found a nest and stayed there... caught it. 4 males in my pouch.

I decided enuf for this area so I went back to leech land...why? cuz i want to catch some flies for my spiders back home...i remember leech land got a lot of fruit flies. Here is leech land. In the right pic can see the edge of the forest... one day i will explore there.
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Where the leeches are(the right side of the pic)
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Just beside the road. These are the leaves usually found in kelapa sawit plantation. They have tiny hairs. Not surprisely i don't find many fighting spiders here despite the dense leaves although got. Lowland was found in these type of leaves
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1 minute i stepped into leech land and here i was greeted by the host(looks like i'm the host-to-be). No wonder... the ditch has become even more flooded due to contruction. The grey wall structure wasnt there when i came here the last time.. Looks like this area is going to be gone soon. Anyway smeared some OFF on this leech and on shoes.
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I walk further in and started catching flies and also look at some nest. A lot of nest here are by a type of crab spider.. Here's a nice specimen.
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Arrgh..attack by leech again. On my tracks. There you go..i shld say OFF you go.
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Catch until about 7.30pm and went home. Here's the days catch.
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Dont want to fight them today, let them eat and rest...Tomorrow let the games begin...

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Man.... u caught a lot of fighting spiders. Great catch. rclxms.gif
Same size like BIG Guns or Big Head? Wa.. now u got alot spiders ady.. not easy to take care if got alot spiders.
I got 3 spiders altogether. tongue.gif


Yesterday i oso caught 2 average size male spider from sugar cane leaves near my housing area.
Let them fight, one quite fierce.. like 2 chop its opponent.

The winner i let it fight with Lily spider. The new sugarcane spider eventho smaller, its quite fierce. It attck chop Lily from behind! able to give a short fight before retreat. In 2nd round it still dare to fight Lily face 2 face but still lose. Its quite true people say fighting spider from sugar cane leaves are fierce. Got also hear tat fighting spider from Kelapa Sawit area leaves big n fierce oso. rolleyes.gif

I really didn't expect a smaller size fighting spider can chop another bigger spider from behind. If its size is bigger, chances for it to win is high.


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where can i buy or get them?
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You can try catching them from shrubs under shade. I posted a lot of pictures to show the type of places you may find them. Or you can buy them from viper88 or me loh.. smile.gif

Besides fighting them, they can be quite fun to keep too. One of the reason fighting spiders are so likeable is because
1) Being jumping spiders, they have 2 big front eyes, hence can look at you like with human eyes. This makes them pretty cute. They actually have bifocal vision(overlapping field of vision of the two eyes) like humans which enable them to differentiate distance very well. They catch insects by stalking them like a tiger.
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2) Fighting spiders are hand friendly. Newly caught ones maybe a bit wild and will try to jump away from your hand. But after a while when they get used to your hand, they will comfortably walk and jump about on your hands. Not all jumping spiders can be hand tamed. Most house spiders you see walking about in your house are impossible to get them used to human hands and will jump away once they touch human hands.

3) Their colours are pretty! Although their markings are quite uniform throughout their species but you cant deny their irridescent colours are quite attractive. Actually there are several species of the same genus and they can be found in many different countries, up to india, hongkong and taiwan! Different species have different patterns and size. In malaysia itself i know of another 2 species.

4) When you take them out to play they are very active creatures.

5) They are easy and almost free to maintain

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Hai... those spider i caught in leech land.. 3 cannot fight.. only one can.. the biggest one. It wins Bro1 and topman. But it lost to big leave. so currently 5th king.

current ranking

Bighead
Bigguns
Blurman!!
Bigleave
Thickarms
Bro1
Topman
Bro2

I'm letting the others go.

Coming into 3rd month i'm keeping Bighead, still cannot find any spiders to challenge him. Looks like i will have to go back to where i found him to try to see wheather i can find his brothers to fight him!

Here's Bighead today...undisputed champion

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 5 2008, 10:17 PM)
current ranking

Bighead
Bigguns
Blurman!!
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Sounds like your prediction of Blurman came true.

Bighead looks so fat. He looks a little bit darker now and more mature, but probably just hitting his peak.

It's interesting that in your journeys you haven't yet encountered:
1. A chop
2. A red teeth male
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 6 2008, 11:58 AM)
You can try catching them from shrubs under shade. I posted a lot of pictures to show the type of places you may find them. Or you can buy them from viper88 or me loh.. smile.gif

Besides fighting them, they can be quite fun to keep too. One of the reason fighting spiders are so likeable is because
1) Being jumping spiders, they have 2 big front eyes, hence can look at you like with human eyes. This makes them pretty cute. They actually have bifocal vision(overlapping field of vision of the two eyes) like humans which enable them to differentiate distance very well. They catch insects by stalking them like a tiger.
male. female
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2) Fighting spiders are hand friendly. Newly caught ones maybe a bit wild and will try to jump away from your hand. But after a while when they get used to your hand, they will comfortably walk and jump about on your hands. Not all jumping spiders can be hand tamed. Most house spiders you see walking about in your house are impossible to get them used to human hands and will jump away once they touch human hands.

3) Their colours are pretty! Although their markings are quite uniform throughout their species but you cant deny their irridescent colours are quite attractive. Actually there are several species of the same genus and they can be found in many different countries, up to india, hongkong and taiwan! Different species have different patterns and size. In malaysia itself i know of another 2 species.

4) When you take them out to play they are very active creatures.

5) They are easy and almost free to maintain
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shocking.gif wah...big head looks vry big...

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 6 2008, 03:03 PM)
Sounds like your prediction of Blurman came true.

Bighead looks so fat.  He looks a little bit darker now and more mature, but probably just hitting his peak.

It's interesting that in your journeys you haven't yet encountered:
1.  A chop
2.  A red teeth male
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Sounds like viper may have a small chop?
Yeah, very tough to get chop. Like hitting lottery. I had a very healthy average sized chop last year but unfortunately no videocam that time.

Actually Bro1, Bro2 and Blurman a bit of red teeth. Maybe from the videos not that obvious. Must see head on under good lighting when showing angry face, can see the base of their pedipalps are red. I will try to capture better shots.

Right now in grandma's house in seremban. People in front of me playing blackjack.... I aint playing so I use my sis's laptop to access this tread thru EZnet...haha!

HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!! May everyone have a prosperous and fruitful RAT year!

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Man.... u caught a lot of fighting spiders. Great catch.  rclxms.gif
Same size like BIG Guns or Big Head? Wa.. now u got alot spiders ady.. not easy to take care if got alot spiders.
I got 3 spiders altogether. tongue.gif
Yesterday i oso caught 2 average size male spider from sugar cane leaves near my housing area.
Let them fight, one quite fierce.. like 2 chop its opponent.

The winner i let it fight with Lily spider. The new sugarcane spider eventho smaller, its quite fierce. It attck chop Lily from behind! able to give a short fight before retreat. In 2nd round it still dare to fight Lily face 2 face but still lose. Its quite true people say fighting spider from sugar cane leaves are fierce. Got also hear tat fighting spider from Kelapa Sawit area leaves big n fierce oso. rolleyes.gif

I really didn't expect a smaller size fighting spider can chop another bigger spider from behind. If its size is bigger, chances for it to win is high.
K.. gtg back to work..  laugh.gif

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Sigh... 3 cannot fight. The one that can fight size i think is same as Lowland. Not really good fighter also. Win bro1 and topman due to size.

Sounds like you have a chop? Does it show angry face before fighting?

I have hardly caught any spider from sugarcane leaves in my life. Maybe most places i have access to does not have sugarcane. The one i have seen before got absolutely no fighting spiders...maybe those sugarcane too mature and tall.

Yeah... i also heard Kelapa Sawit area spiders are super big and fierce... I am planning to go check out this claim this month.


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Yeap, the average size male spider caught from sugar cane leaves show angry face and fighting position when it saw its opponent.
Eventho it size is smaller, it terkam from behind. I was suprised and didnt expect it at all. Luki Liliy didnt injured much coz the chop was a light one and straight away fight back. Actually i just wanna train Lily to make it a better fighter. Even in 2nd round it still dare to fight Lily.
No video the fight coz i tot its a no fight match coz of the size..

Yeah, the early pic u compare Big Head with which spider. It size so much different leh.

Included are some of the type of leaves where i caught my fighting spiders.

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Okla.. gtg go Pai Nien.. Happy CNY.

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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 6 2008, 11:58 PM)
Sigh... 3 cannot fight. The one that can fight size i think is same as Lowland. Not really good fighter also. Win bro1 and topman due to size.

Sounds like you have a chop? Does it show angry face before fighting?

I have hardly caught any spider from sugarcane leaves in my life. Maybe most places i have access to does not have sugarcane. The one i have seen before got absolutely no fighting spiders...maybe those sugarcane too mature and tall.

Yeah... i also heard Kelapa Sawit area spiders are super big and fierce... I am planning to go check out this claim this month.
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I found quite a few spiders in the pandan foliage at the back of my house Could nto catch them though...they are quick and my brother started freaking out when one landed on his hand he cabutted into the house XD
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Yes, fighting spiders can be found from pandan leaves. U need to cut its rear leaf slowly and bring it to clear wide place then only open its nest. The spider will be wild abit, use ur hand move slowly and let the spider jump onto ur hand or plastic case.
Use a proper case which have small holes for air flow in out and remember to place a leaf inside.

Just make sure its a fighting spider not spider Hantu.. laugh.gif



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QUOTE(Lockheart @ Feb 7 2008, 10:41 AM)
I found quite a few spiders in the pandan foliage at the back of my house Could nto catch them though...they are quick and my brother started freaking out when one landed on his hand he cabutted into the house XD
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We found a lot of females with eggs in this kinda plant, but no males.

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I've caught 2 average size male, and 2 female fighting spider in this type of red leaf plant.

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quote=Mangrovejumper,Feb 7 2008, 08:34 PM]
We found a lot of females with eggs in this kinda plant, but no males.
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Added on February 7, 2008, 11:24 pmNot fight with grasshopper.. but as food. The small grasshopper can be found in places which got alot lalang.
Yea... spider oso eat ants as part of its diet food. Last time when i play spider during my young days, its easier to catch ants than catching small flies. Just kill some small ants and throw inside my spider case. Lazy to catch flies so just feed with ants. tongue.gif Sometimes if got time will fed the spiders with small flies.

Yeah.. abt the house flies. I dun thinks theres any problem. Spiders living in the wild eat most of the small insects and have a good digestive stomach. It can even eat its on species of fighting spider if its hungry.
There one pic a jumping spider caught a house flies and eating it. Hm.. will try to search and post it here. If the spider is fierce.. it will chop and kill the flies and feaast on it. I 've also fed my spider with house flies once a while last time during my skool days. I fed my fighting spider with many variety of insects .. din c any problem oso except its getting fatter. The current spiders i have doesnt seem like to eat or drink much.. even small flies oso it willl eat only eat after 2-3 days.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 5 2008, 03:57 AM)
Yeah later I will have a topic on fighting spider records... one of them will be the longest documented fight.

Wah, can fight with grasshopper? Never heard or try that before. I think the spider panic when see many ants cuz ants can kill them. Some fighting spider will eat red ants some don't. I think red ants give out a type of smell which repels the spiders.

Last time when young I always feed house fly to my spiders but nowadays I dont becuz i think feeding them house fly may cause them to die faster because most house fly are quite dirty carrying alot of harmful bacteria or parasites because most will come from the dirty dump.
Last year I caught a lot of spiders and fed them houseflies but all of them died within 1-2 months. I thot was old age but now you told me u kept a spider for 10 months means it cant be. Must be contamination from houseflies. I also read from a singapore forum that this guy also advice against feeding housefly because once he fed his spider housefly and next day it died!

Btw...still cannot unzip ur file la...
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Yeah, the early pic u compare Big Head with which spider. It size so much different leh.

Included are some of the type of leaves where i caught my fighting spiders.

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Okla.. gtg go Pai Nien.. Happy CNY.

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One of the spiders i caught from Puchong...cannot fight one, so i did not name it. Let go already.

Aishh....so sad. Yesterday evening I came back from seremban and found 2 of my males escape from their containers because i did not close them properly. Bigguns and Blurman!! I searched the house and found back Bigguns under a rag cloth hung on my staircase railings. It was in a very thirsty mode. So i let it drink amd eat...now back to normal. Cannot find Blurman.. properly walk up the walk to the airwell windows and go out to the roof already. sad.gif I was planning to breed Blurman cause of its fighting skills... he was in the category of Quietman. Not big, but excellent fighter. Guess now just concentrate on Bighead. Others no plan to breed them.


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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/628268
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wah.. fighting spider also can sell.
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2 bad Blurman escaped ady, didnt have chance to fight with my spiders oso. Good tat u able to find back Big Guns. Ya.. fighting spider alwys look for empty space to crawl out.. once it escape, it will run wild or hide/pretend dead.
Wa.. u goin to sell off most of your spiders. Only keep Big Heads? Too many spiders not easy to look after, have to make sure theres enuf food and drink supply, have to clean case and change dried leaf oso. If 1 or 2 fighting spiders okla. Hmm... i'm interested with big n fierce fighting spiders. Big Guns, Big leaf looks tempting drool.gif

During CNY, i show my cousin who never saw or play fighting spider bfr. Its a great fight displayed by Lowland, Banglo and Lily.
The winner is Banglo defeated Lowland 3-0. LowLand eventho lost, it didnt chicken out and can continue to fight fiercely with Lily. Can see some strong arm pushing and more than 3 chops by both spiders. Both the spider fight fiercely and in the end LowLand won. My cousin oso thought Lily was injured coz all the fights are fierce. Lucky no broken arms or teeth both the spiders. tongue.gif
Since my cousin is interested, i gave him a young male spider which have just change skin. He and his family will come KL visit me on Sunday and i plan to catch few more fighting spiders for him.
They will stay in KL my house for few days.

Back to KL yesterday evening. After rest, in around 6pm went out and look for more fighting spiders. Caught 2 adult male average size spiders from Nipah and Pandan leaves. Both spiders only have 1 right arm + 6 rear legs. It left arm maybe lost during fight? or ants attck. Caught a few females spider oso. Put each female spiders for all my current male spiders.
Later at nite, i let the 1 right arm spider fight. I didnt expect good fight but was surprise both spiders can fight quite well oso. since both spider only have right arms, when facing each other fighting, their arms cant hit each other arms and like hitting airs only. tongue.gif Got about 2 chops and one of the spiders retreat.

This morning went for jogging and later start hunt for more fighting spiders. Seems like i'm on spider craze ady.. lol.. rolleyes.gif
This time able to find 1 big adult rclxm9.gif + 4 average size adult male spiders (some quite young/small male). The big one is the biggest spider i've caught so far. I released the 2 male spiders which i've caught yesterday. In the afternoon, my neighbour just came back from his hometown and he gave me another average size male spider. icon_idea.gif

He told me tat spider was walking around his car when he wanted to come back KL this morning. He caught it n keep it for me coz he know i'm looking for fighting spiders. He oso got play fighting spiders during his skool days and told me some his funny experience when trying to catch spider last time. He said when the spiders he try to catch run or hide in the kelapa sawit trees, he and his friend will pee at tat area and the spiders will come out from its hiding place coz cant stand the smell and salty pee watar.. laugh.gif It will be easier to catch them during tat time.

Later in the evening, after jogging awhile i went to look for more spiders at Pandan leaves area. This time i've manage to catch 1 male and 1 female spiders. Both spiders are average size. Size about like Banglo or Lily. The male 1 i named it as ROMEO. So total male spiders i got today is 7. rclxms.gif

Keep all in sepated case properly and later when my cousin arrive in KL, i'll let the spiders fight for him 2 see.
Most likely i'll release the average young male fighter and only keep a good ones. Some will let my cousin to choose which one he wants to keep.
Dont want to keep so much spiders coz dun have much time to look after.

Here are the pics of my spider in its casing + the biggest male spider i caught today. Its like my thumb nail size. I feel its still smaller den ur BIG HEAD.
Decided to name it as ARCHILLIES. laugh.gif Havent let it fight yet. Hope its a great fighter.

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Decided to name it as ARCHILLIES. laugh.gif Havent let it fight yet. Hope its a great fighter.

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Lotsa fighting spider fights today! rclxms.gif
This morning after spray some water into the spider case, i let the spiders out to fight.

Let all the average size male spiders fight 1st. Not so interesting coz some cant fight, and some just fight short while without chop and ran off.

Next comes the interesting fight.

Romeo vs Lily - Romeo won.
Romeo vs Banglo - Banglo won
Banglo vs Lowland - LowLand won
LowLand vs Archilies - Archilies won.
Archilies vs Banglo/Romeo/LowLand/Lily - Archilies won all the matches without much strong fight from its opponent.

Most of the fights is kinda short fight only. Achilies also didn't really show very fierce fighting stance. It just gave kinda selamba look only and Lily/Banglo/Romeo retreat after short arms pushing.
Only LowLand gave abit fight but oso very short push. Maybe Archillies size is much bigger or maybe the spiders abit wet after i sprayed some water so not in good mood to fight?
LowLand becomes abit kecut ady after lost to Archillies, it ran off when i try to let it fight Banglo. blush.gif

In the evening, i let the spider fight again. tongue.gif
This time the spiders fight more intense.
Suprisingly Lily performed very well in the evening. It beat Romeo easily. It even chop Romeo lightly when Romeo is nearby not aware abt Lily presence.

Lily vs Banglo - Lily won!
1st round - arm pushing quite long and Banglo chop 1 time and Lily ran.
2nd round - arm pushing, Banglo chop 1 time and Lily counter with continuous 3 chops! Banglo ran off. Banglo seems injured abit. sweat.gif
3rd round - Banglo gave up n ran

Lily vs LowLand - Lily get a walkaway coz LowLand still in Kecut mode.

Lily vs Archilies - Archilies won. Still short push only and Lily backoff.

Later at night around 10.30pm. I just wanna check whether Banglo is ok onot and oso want to test fight LowLand with other smaller spider to boost its confident.
My cousin was around so after check the spiders all are fine, we start again the spider fight.

Banglo vs LowLand - Banglo won. LowLand have some confident back and willing to fight awhile before retreat. Earlier LowLand defeated other smaller spider bfr fight with Banglo.
Banglo vs Lily - Banglo won!!. Both fight fiercely and can see few chops from both spider. This time Banglo wants revenge and gave strong counter atttk. Its quite a long fight but in the end Lily lost.
Banglo vs Archillies- Archilies won. Still easy win for Archillies but this time can see each spider chop once. Banglo back off. Maybe its tired ady or maybe Archillies is too big n strong. sweat.gif

Lotsa good fight today.. too bad i didnt video it coz i want to see the fight direct without bz trying to record the fight properly.
Need to find challenger for Archillies ady, Mindstorm wanna fight ur spiders win me again? brows.gif

Fighting spiders are really amazing tiny pets. The way they fight is really superb and interesting. thumbup.gif

I have already let go 3 smaller male spiders which cant fight well in the morning.
Will let go 3 more average size male spiders tomolo. Plan only to keep some tat r really good fighters.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 11 2008, 09:12 AM)
I had an Archilles a long time ago too...he was a normal spider that turned into a chop. 
Hope you have a good one there!
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Wah piang eh! Two days you had so much activity with your spiders ah, viper! I just came back from seremban, was playing Dota in internet cafe with my frens from Singapore, i used sniper kena whack kau kau by viper(if u play dota u know wat i mean). Now you caught a Huge spider, i think my spider will kena whack by ur spider also!

I see ur spiders fights a lot of Ding Dong..win then lose then win back. All quite equal. Your Archillies look young but yeah, it is big.

Tomorrow i still on leave. Call u la. Wont write much now. Now want to sleep already.
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BIGHEAD MET HIS MATCH!!! notworthy.gif AND RECORD LONGEST TIME DOCUMENTED MATCH... a gruelling 22 seconds match!!!

I met viper yesterday for some great fighting matches. I brought along only 2 spiders, Bighead and Bigguns. But before that I also caught some new ones, 6 males. 6legbigman, Noname, Redleaf, Forgot, Smallchop and Smallkecut.
Yes, finally got a chop but unfortunately it is small. However now we have a documentation of a true chop.

Here are the fights we had. I uploaded video only for the good ones.

Archilles vs Bigguns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6nbbEf64fE

Red leaf(win) vs Lily - long push
Red leaf(win) vs Lily - 1 chop
Red leaf(win) vs Lily - 1 chop and lift(no recording)
Banglo(win) vs Red leaf - 1 chop
Banglo(win) vs Red leaf - 1 chop
Noname(win) vs Banglo - 1 chop
Noname(win) vs Lowland - 1 chop

Noname vs Lowland - 1 strong chop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_1DGXuRDyo

MATCH OF THE DAY!!! Simply awesome!!!
Defending champion Bighead is on the right. New Arrival Archilles by viper is on the left.
The 2 superheavy weights "chap ma bou"(showoff) for 20 seconds before fight.

After some pushing...
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...Archilles launch a strong chop which sent Bighead backwards.
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Bighead countered with some arm biting
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Some twisting between the 2 gladiators, Bighead manage to lift Archilles a bit.
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Back to some arm waving push
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For a moment, again Bighead manage to carry Archilles a bit
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Archilles nearly flipped Bighead!
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Then Archilles mustered all its strength and sent Bighead backwards a long long way!!! Lots of grappling and pushing and Bighead was totally in defensive mode!!
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Holy cow! You got to watch the real video to see how it ends!!! Incredible wrestling!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uPncA-m4Tk

Romeo vs smallchop... notice the huge size difference and the aggressive chop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTA9MwqeFUY

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 13 2008, 02:44 AM)
BIGHEAD MET HIS MATCH!!! notworthy.gif  AND RECORD LONGEST TIME DOCUMENTED MATCH... a gruelling 22 seconds match!!!

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The match was painful to watch. I winced a few times before it ended.

Archilles is a very very aggressive fighter. How he pushed Bigguns out of the way, then he tilted his head multiple times to try to bite Bighead. I think Bighead will become a better fighter with this type of experience once he heals. Both spiders had to be exhausted after a fight like that.

I like the chop. It's funny how he was ignored by the other male until he started biting. I hope you can use him to convert the other spiders to become chop.
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WAKAO!WHo wins!Viper geng sial!Shit lah!I think Archilles is very skillful and strong....OMG,he is smaller den bighead abit rite....
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Yup.. Archilles is a fierce fighter and doesnt retreat easily. From the start fight with BigGuns, it push BigGuns all the way down and gives a strong chop n lock BigGuns. Archilles den carry BigGun and keep pushing it backwards and suddenly BigGuns able to breakfree n immediately ran away.
No 2nd round fight coz based from the 1st round fight.. BigGuns cant give a strong defend or counter attck n Mindstorm doesnt want to BigGun to get injured.

After defeated BigGuns, Archillies get some rest for short while. smile.gif
We fight other middle weight size spiders.

Hmm.. Mindstorm the match between NoName and LowLand... rolleyes.gif
After see the video few times, i feel LowLand won. NoName give a strong chop at the beginning but LowLand manage to defend and lock NoName , it push 90degree before NoName breakfree and ran. LowLand gave a chase. Its abit confusing coz both spide turn very fast and get mixed up. I think we get the spider switch ady.. lol. U try c the video again.. Maybe i c wrongly.. Both spiders looks about the same. hmm.gif Maybe i'm wrong..u try n chk the video.

The Best fight is of coz Archilles vs BigHead. rclxms.gif
Archilles is light pale green, its easier to differentiate from BigHead. icon_idea.gif

Both spider fight fiercely and its their natural fighting instinct to fight defeat its opponent.
Its a fair fight coz direct face to face fight and no chop from behind, both spiders are about the same size. Archilles is only slight smaller abit and kinda thinner than BigHead.

Both spider analysed each arms width and potential to win the fight for quite long.

Archilles gave a strong arm push at the beginning and chop BigHead 1st, force BigHeadto flip/swap position and Archilles gave another chop again! Flip/Swap position again!

BigHead counter with strong arm bitting and almost made Archillies flip to breakfree. shocking.gif

Archilles manage to hold on balance well, Bighead gave some chop pushing Archilles up abit but Archilles counter with lock, 2 chops , start pushing BigHead 2 steps downward and gave another strong chop forcing BigHead to flip/swap position again.

Achilles then gave another powerful chop! forcing BigHead to move upwards.
Archilles again chop BigHead making it move futher up some more! BigHead then managed to lock both Archilles arms!!

BigHead start to stand up abit higher can c its back body moving up also and gave a strong POWERFUL !! chop at Archilles and push Archilles downwards. The chop n push was so powerful shocking.gif making Archilles lost balance before retreat from the fight by turn upside down to break free from BigHead tight arms lock. sweat.gif

BigHead won the fight but was injured. It dragged one of its arm, rubbing on the leaf and was moving abit blur in circle after the fight.
Archilles was still active and seems not injured. Its still can fight after move back up to leaf surfaced but i block it and carry with my finger.

From the fight, its obviously tat Achilles gave out alot of powerful chops attack, more chops than BigHead. Archilles also attack fiercely, forcing BigHead to flip/swap position 3 times, it oso push and carry Bighead downwards and then upwards. Its the tight lock, strong powerful body chop and push by BigHead at the end that make Archilles retreat coz fight in a dangerous position.

No 2nd round fight coz BigHead already injured and Mindstorm not willing to risk BigHead safety if continue to fight.
Cant guarantee what may happen if fight again.. maybe Archilles might won. hmm.gif

Great fight! Thanks for the video Mindstorm. thumbup.gif
Its been really long time i didn't see such good strong fighting spider fighting with no fear and very skillful in locking, flip/swap position pushing and strong chop attack!!!!.

Hope ur BigHead is recovering well. He's a good fighter! thumbup.gif

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I'm equally impressed by the performance of both spiders. Archilles being the active aggressor, showing amazing determination to try to topple Bighead and Bighead for its staying power, it just would not let up, even after having to "berundur"(retreat) so far.

In the final seconds, Archilles was chopping Bighead and even trying to lift Bighead.
(viper mentioned it as Bighead being forced to move upwards)
Archilles bottom.
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I can't help but to think Bighead had ladyluck just in the final seconds when he managed to flip Archilles. Being flipped caused Archilles to be in a helpless and out of control position. Otherwise the fight would have carried on and Archilles may win. Viper is right to say that Archilles flipped because it was trying to get out of the lock position. This means Bighead didnt really intentionally do anything to flip Archilles.
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If I would to bet on the second round, i would bet on Archilles. Bighead was maxed out.
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Yeah, if there is a difference in size, it would be Bighead being minutely bigger than Archilles.

From here, we can also see that larger spiders tend to fight a bit slower and not as fast as average sized spiders.
I also noticed in the beginning, Archilles arms was waving faster than Bighead's.



Bighead is back to normal. For the record, it is the 9th of Jan when i started this tread to find Bighead a challenger...now 1 month and 3 days later on the 12th of Feb, the goal is met. And this could very well be the fight of the year, not just the day. Kudos to you, Viper.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 14 2008, 12:31 AM)
Hmm.. Mindstorm the match between NoName and LowLand... rolleyes.gif
After see the video few times, i feel LowLand won. NoName give a strong chop at the beginning but LowLand manage to defend and lock NoName , it push 90degree before NoName breakfree and ran. LowLand gave a chase. Its abit confusing coz both spide turn very fast and get mixed up. I think we get the spider switch ady.. lol. U try c the video again.. Maybe i c wrongly.. Both spiders looks about the same. hmm.gif Maybe i'm wrong..u try n chk the video.

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yeah, u could be right as I can see Lowland countered.

Actually the middle size spiders i also not really sure the sequence because I didnt record down! But i think it was something like that huH,viper?



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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 13 2008, 07:52 PM)
The match was painful to watch.  I winced a few times before it ended.

Archilles is a very very aggressive fighter.  How he pushed Bigguns out of the way, then he tilted his head multiple times to try to bite Bighead.  I think Bighead will become a better fighter with this type of experience once he heals.  Both spiders had to be exhausted after a fight like that.

I like the chop.  It's funny how he was ignored by the other male until he started biting.  I hope you can use him to convert the other spiders to become chop.
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Hope you enjoyed it, man. This one's for you... the captor. biggrin.gif How wonderful the camcord and internet is, being able to share our passion halfway across the world and with everyone.

Wah, use the small chop to convert Bighead??!! High risk having arm broken off or being eaten leh...
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wow, long time didnt play this game dy...
try to get one when i free, and i'll post the pic when i get one..brows.gif
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Hope you enjoyed it, man. This one's for you... the captor. biggrin.gif How wonderful the camcord and internet is, being able to share our passion halfway across the world and with everyone.

Wah, use the small chop to convert Bighead??!! High risk having arm broken off or being eaten leh...
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Archilles seems to be more active, I agree. He also seems darker in the head. Did he look like that to you?
Knowing that temperature affects the speed of the spiders, would they become better fighters in the afternoon than at night?

I had the feeling that Bighead wasn't going to give up on the fight. It's like a boxer getting pushed to the ropes and bloodied, but stayed on and won the fight. I never thought that he was a good fighter technique wise. He has size and pushed the other spiders around. Have you noticed that he's never the aggressor on fights (i.e. never chops first)? . It's very surprising that he had the "fight till I die attitude" yesterday.

The small chop can be used to convert the smaller males first as a trial. From my anecdotal observation, the chop attribute can be passed on by:
1. Repeated fights (not no-shows) with a chop.
2. Living in the nest previously inhabited by a chop. Replace the chop with a normal male after the chop has been staying at a nest for 1 week.
It's either a learned trait (e.g. madness), or a disease. Whatever it is, it can be passed on.
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QUOTE(ADEXXXX @ Feb 14 2008, 03:44 AM)
wow, long time didnt play this game dy...
try to get one when i free, and i'll post the pic when i get one..brows.gif
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Alrite man, welcome to the gang. Hope you get something like Bighead or Archilles. The more the merrier! thumbup.gif
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BigHead being attacked fiercely repeatedly by Archilles making it to do the drastic counter attack..
From the video, its seems BigHead managed to locked Archilles arms after unable to stop/hold from being push up strongly, BigHead then manage to stand higher and do a full chop n push or izit a HEAD BUTT attack ? rclxub.gif

Archilles after being knock hard on its face/head ... seems lost balance.
BigHead unexpected strong counter attack makes Archilles panic n flip to break free from BigHead's tight lock.

Hmm.. u think large spiders tend to fight a bit slower and not as fast as average sized spiders?

I feel actually large spiders fight more skillfully using superb fighting techniques. I've saw some really fierce ones bfr and Big size spider is more POWERFUL and have more advantages.!!!

They don't just jump into fight directly... they will analyst its opponent arm width, size to determine enemy's strenght bfr start the fight.

When the fight starts, it will push strongly, lock its opponent arms and chop fiercely without give its opponent to push or lock back.
Once its opponent get lock by its arms, it will start chop kaw kaw and try to lift/flip them. Spider which manage to lock it opponent arms also have advantage to carry and swap fighting position

Strong Large spiders can counter its enemy chop many times by locking/ flip swap position and can return more chops back! More the 10 -20 chops !! and those
really fierce have very tight lock n strong bites at its opponent many times till broken arm n some till death if not able to break free.

They wont retreat easily and have more fighting strength compare to average size male spiders.

The young or average male fighting spiders normally have short fast fight only, about 1-4 chops and 1-2 arm locks.
They cant last long if the fight drag long coz they dont have the strength,skill and fighting spirit confidence. Their fight is less exciting compare to the fiercely and strong and bigger adult male spider.

Its not about the fighting speed slower compare to average size spider but its more about fighting skill experience/techniques for the larger strong adult spiders.

Archilles and BigHead fight is a very good example of strong fighting spider with good skills and fighting techniques. Nowdays its hard to get spiders which can fight like this!!

Mindstorm interest and effort to catch big strong fighting spider and post his experience here really something tat i admire , tats why i try my best to search good challenger for him.

Yeah, i've caught another big adult male spider today, its slightly smaller than Archilles but bigger den other normal size males spiders which i have. Caught at the same place where i found Archilles last time but from daun Pandan. Named it as Spartan coz i watched 300 movie before went out to search for spiders this evening. laugh.gif
Spartan defeated Lily, Banglo and LowLand/NoName easily. Didnt let it fight with Archillies yet. tongue.gif

The female spider which put 2gther with Achilles have eggs ady in its nest. Dont know how to breed spiderlings. Mindstorm, u interested with eggs?

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 14 2008, 02:48 AM)
I can't help but to think Bighead had ladyluck just in the final seconds when he managed to flip Archilles. Being flipped caused Archilles to be in a helpless and out of control position. Otherwise the fight would have carried on and Archilles may win. Viper is right to say that Archilles flipped because it was trying to get out of the lock position. This means Bighead didnt really intentionally do anything to flip Archilles.
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If I would to bet on the second round, i would bet on Archilles. Bighead was maxed out.
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Yeah, if there is a difference in size, it would be Bighead being minutely bigger than Archilles.

From here, we can also see that larger spiders tend to fight a bit slower and not as fast as average sized spiders.
I also noticed in the beginning, Archilles arms was waving faster than Bighead's.
Bighead is back to normal. For the record, it is the 9th of Jan when i started this tread to find Bighead a challenger...now 1 month and 3 days later on the 12th of Feb, the goal is met. And this could very well be the fight of the year, not just the day. Kudos to you, Viper.
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Ok, for the record, here's the previous record time fighting match on 25/11/07 between Scareycat(caught by mangrovejumper) and Pippy(caught by me)... an exciting 17 second fast fighting action match which ended in a topdown lock position. They were only average size spiders. Compared to Archilles vs Bighead, we can see the smaller spiders fight much faster with incredible chopping speed and rapid biting. One similarity, both winners are injured while the one that lost is ok!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CWi7EUOTQA

Also a 6s fight between pippy and midbogel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQnJ0Ks7FhM

Enjoy

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Nice video, its a good fight where both spiders didnt give up easily.
Lotsa arm locking and bitting as well. Wheres the longest spider fight u shown me last time?
The winner leg injured after the fight? That is oso a very fierce powerful good fight! thumbup.gif

For me, i see ScareyCat and Pippy have about the same fighting skill if compared to Archilles VS BigHead. Good locking, bitting n defensive skills.
Actually i feel Archillies and BigHead match is much more exciting and both spiders have more fighting experience skill.
Archilles attack pushing and chopping speed is faster and strenght is much stronger coz can push BigHead all the way down and den push further up while launch fierce chops.
BigHead is good in defend with strong locking techniques and good counter chop attack!!.

If the spiders are good in locking, they cant fight using their arms as fast compare when not being lock earlier. Experience spider will lock its oppoenent arms to stop from being push backwards.
The spiders which have been locked, only have 3 choices :
-Chop bite fiercely to break free.
-Do a strong push/jump using its hind legs forward.
-Try to flip/swap position to get out from the lock

Maybe there are other choices oso, like sacrifice/break off its own arm and retreat or etcs..

Those spiders who been injured or weaken in a fight, if continue to fight might not able to breakfree from its opponent arms lock and
might end up injured badly injured from chops or worst case is death.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 15 2008, 01:34 AM)
Ok, for the record, here's the previous record time fighting match on 25/11/07 between Scareycat(caught by mangrovejumper) and Pippy(caught by me)... an exciting 17 second fast fighting action match which ended in a topdown lock position. They were only average size spiders. Compared to Archilles vs Bighead, we can see the smaller spiders fight much faster with incredible chopping speed and rapid biting. One similarity, both winners are injured while the one that lost is ok!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CWi7EUOTQA

Also a 6s fight between pippy and midbogel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQnJ0Ks7FhM

Enjoy
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aiyo...cant find any fighting sipder near my house although alot of pandan leaves....
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Wa.. u house alot pandan leaves but cant find any fighting spiders? Normally there are alot fighting spider at daun Pandan coz the leaves smell nice and can trap/hold alot rain water with its middle leaves curve. I can even find pandan leaves planted outside my neighbours house... small and average adult size. I found Archilles from area which have daun Nipah and Pandan area. Its a small garden man made in front of Semi-D house.. lotsa other plants there oso.. got lily, Aloe Vera, Orchid, Daun setawar, Bamboo etcs.

I've let go 3 of my spiders today, Banglo, Lily and Noname/LowLand to pandan leaves area.
Before let go, i let them have a final fight.

Lily vs Noname/LowLand - Lily won
Lily vs Banglo - Lily won
Spartan vs Lily/Banglo/NoName/LowLand - Spartan won

Abit heavy hearted but i feel that its better for them coz i don't have much time to take care of too many spiders and their size/fighting skill is average only. Now only have Archilles and Spartan + 2 females spiders.


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QUOTE(pitinn @ Feb 15 2008, 02:20 PM)
aiyo...cant find any fighting sipder near my house although alot of pandan leaves....
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 15 2008, 01:18 AM)
The female spider which put 2gther with Achilles have eggs ady in its nest. Dont know how to breed spiderlings. Mindstorm, u interested with eggs?

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Heh..i myself got 2 batch of eggs here. One from quietman and one from bighead(mating in the air). Better you keep the eggs until hatch then let the slings go in your garden. Right now I don't think can cope with so many spiders but I am now designing a system to keep the young. Keeping a few spiders is easy. Keeping a lot of them is tough. To be able to develop a gene line of an animal one need to breed and keep a lot of the animal so that you can have choice to select the type of trait you want.

I have always been interested in automated systems, systems which save working time and energy and I am constantly thinking how to build systems. I used to breed fishes during my teens and at one time I had a few hundred adult bettas in my room!! When I graduated from Singapore, I went to work for a fish farm in Singapore which bred guppies and Discus for overseas export. It was a great experience to see how people can rear hundreds of thousands of fishes with only a few staffs. I help them improved their packing time and help develop a system to rear a type of live feed for their fishes and sale in local market. And that is precisely what i have always been intrigued in.. rearing critters in large quantities! Hence rite now I'm thinking and trying methods for fighting spiders, just for the challenge.

Right now feeding fighting spiders is mighty inefficient. To feed about 500 guppies in a cement tank takes an average 5 seconds...that is to scoop some dry fish meal and toss it over the water surface and to walk from one tank to another. To feed a single spider, would probably take 5-10minutes if you're fast which include having to catch the live insect and to place it into its container. 5 minutes = 300seconds. Divide by 5 seconds(feeding guppy time)=60 and times it by 500 means feeding a fighting spider is 30,000 times slower than a farmer hand feeding guppies!!! So you see, the difference in the economics just on feeding these 2 creatures is astoundingly vast. That's why you let go most of your spiders!

I have seen on TV, people rearing black widow by the hundreds. They are kept individually had to feed them individually not unlike a betta farmer would feed its adult males. Like the betta farmer, they were extremely fast because those black widows were reared in paper cups(one over another, different size i think so that one can close over the other) and they were fed a type of grub. So I watched the farmer just lift a paper cup, pour in a grup or two from a cup he was holding and then just close back the paper cup and moved on to the next cup.

Anyway that was just food for thought.


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 15 2008, 02:17 PM)
Nice video, its a good fight where both spiders didnt give up easily.
Lotsa arm locking and bitting as well. Wheres the longest spider fight u shown me last time?
The winner leg injured after the fight? That is oso a very fierce powerful good fight! thumbup.gif

For me, i see ScareyCat and Pippy have about the same fighting skill if compared to Archilles VS BigHead. Good locking, bitting n defensive skills.
Actually i feel Archillies and BigHead match is much more exciting and both spiders have more fighting experience skill.
Archilles attack pushing and chopping speed is faster and strenght is much stronger coz can push BigHead all the way down and den push further up while launch fierce chops.
BigHead is good in defend with strong locking techniques and good counter chop attack!!.

If the spiders are good in locking, they cant fight using their arms as fast compare when not being lock earlier. Experience spider will lock its oppoenent arms to stop from being push backwards.
The spiders which have been locked, only have 3 choices :
-Chop bite fiercely to break free.
-Do a strong push/jump using its hind legs forward.
-Try to flip/swap position to get out from the lock

Maybe there are other choices oso, like sacrifice/break off its own arm and retreat or etcs..

Those spiders who been injured or weaken in a fight, if continue to fight might not able to breakfree from its opponent arms lock and
might end up injured badly injured from chops or worst case is death.
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That was the longest fight lah, 17s. Now overtaken by ArchillesvsBighead already mah, 22 seconds.
Wah, you really analyze the fights more geng than me or Mangrovejumper, man. Yeah, that's why i love fighting spiders so much, their fights is very short(compared to other animals) but very exciting, with lots of variety.

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Guess what?! 6leg is actually bigger than Bighead!!... and it is CHOP! Darn...if it was full legged, this guy would be awesome. But even with 6 legs, as a chop...it is a very formidable foe given its size. Man...

Here is Bighead vs 6leg on their first encounter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZV3D6nR4o

I also discovered i had a chop female. This female is already very black and its chop trait probably come as a result of old age. This is the female which i accidently took it back with its nest and the eggs become brown. I kept this female and it was very thin and weak when i separated it in another container. It hardly move and refused to eat. It looked as it was going to die. Anyway i just made sure it had water. Surprisingly after two days it moved more and it ate small fruit fly. Slowly it regained its health back. Amazing man... it was probably sick and recovered!!
Anyway here is it in action.... 3 clips in one. First opponent is a female from kelapa sawit. 2nd and 3rd clip is Bigqueen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Chp6X2ZSiA

So I have a big handicap chop and a chop female.

So naturally if i want baby chops, i would need to breed them. So can a chop male breed with a chop female??
Haha! Watch to find out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcpNEpG2Fws
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Actually its easy to feed the spiders, just throw in a few dead/half dead fat juicy ants and some water drops into the spider case. It will eat and drink by itself when its hungry. Clean its case about 3 days once if dirty. I prefer to keep only few stronger/ good fighting spiders so can take care them better.

6 legs have disadvantage when fighting coz one of its arm is missing. If kena grap by opponent same size/bigger, it will get flip/lose balance easily.
The female chop u have seems good. Chop fiercely. Even chop till 6Legs injured. Spiders tat been chop by surprise normally will panic and ran away.

I feel chop spider is actually based on its living environment. If theres alot predators like ants, other species spiders.. they normally will chop to defend themselves or hunt bigger insects as food supply. This type of spider are more fierce and stronger oso.

I noticed some of my spider Lily, Banglo and LowLand at the begining when captured doesn't chop much.. just arm pushing.
Eat & drink less oso.. After few weeks keep them, i can see some changes in their fighting skill... especially Lily.. it start to chop more during fights but inconsistent.

Archilles oso during fight with BigHead, can see strong push with fierce chops many times.

A true chops fighting spiders are the one tat chop to kill its enemy!! It doesn't care to fight face to face or whether its opponent size is
bigger oso. If it opponent is strong and didnt retreat after the chop or kena arm lock, then only it will fight as normal but during fight it will still launch alot fierce chop bitting try to kill its enemy.

A chop fighting spider definitely an excellent fighter and can dominate the fight.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 16 2008, 01:37 AM)
Heh..i myself got 2 batch of eggs here. One from quietman and one from bighead(mating in the air). Better you keep the eggs until hatch then let the slings go in your garden. Right now I don't think can cope with so many spiders but I am now designing a system to keep the young. Keeping a few spiders is easy. Keeping a lot of them is tough. To be able to develop a gene line of an animal one need to breed and keep a lot of the animal so that you can have choice to select the type of trait you want.

I have always been interested in automated systems, systems which save working time and energy and I am constantly thinking how to build systems. I used to breed fishes during my teens and at one time I had a few hundred adult bettas in my room!! When I graduated from Singapore, I went to work for a fish farm in Singapore which bred guppies and Discus for overseas export. It was a great experience to see how people can rear hundreds of thousands of fishes with only a few staffs. I help them improved their packing time and help develop a system to rear a type of live feed for their fishes and sale in local market. And that is precisely what i have always been intrigued in.. rearing critters in large quantities! Hence rite now I'm thinking and trying methods for fighting spiders, just for the challenge.

Right now feeding fighting spiders is mighty inefficient. To feed about 500 guppies in a cement tank takes an average 5 seconds...that is to scoop some dry fish meal and toss it over the water surface and to walk from one tank to another. To feed a single spider, would probably take 5-10minutes if you're fast which include having to catch the live insect and to place it into its container. 5 minutes = 300seconds. Divide by 5 seconds(feeding guppy time)=60 and times it by 500 means feeding a fighting spider is 30,000 times slower than a farmer hand feeding guppies!!! So you see, the difference in the economics just on feeding these 2 creatures is astoundingly vast. That's why you let go most of your spiders!

I have seen on TV, people rearing black widow by the hundreds. They are kept individually had to feed them individually not unlike a betta farmer would feed its adult males. Like the betta farmer, they were extremely fast because those black widows were reared in paper cups(one over another, different size i think so that one can close over the other) and they were fed a type of grub. So I watched the farmer just lift a paper cup, pour in a grup or two from a cup he was holding and then just close back the paper cup and moved on to the next cup.

Anyway that was just food for thought.


Added on February 16, 2008, 1:50 am

That was the longest fight lah, 17s. Now overtaken by ArchillesvsBighead already mah, 22 seconds.
Wah, you really analyze the fights more geng than me or Mangrovejumper, man. Yeah, that's why i love fighting spiders so much, their fights is very short(compared to other animals) but very exciting, with lots of variety.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 16 2008, 09:43 AM)
Actually its easy to feed the spiders, just throw in a few dead/half dead fat juicy ants and some water drops into the spider case. It will eat and drink by itself when its hungry. Clean its case about 3 days once if dirty. I prefer to keep only few stronger/ good fighting spiders so can take care them better.

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True, as i said, feeding them is easy if only 2 or 3 spiders. But can you feed a hundred spiders? In 5 seconds? You can feed a tank full of fish(like your brother fishes) in 5 seconds.

Anyway here's kelapasawit, a male i caught from a kelapasawit plantation. 3 clips in one, with the last match lasting 14 seconds! Bro1 is mighty experienced. (i wrongly mentioned kelapasawit as redleaf in the last clip, should be kelapasawit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAXqI5ky1Y

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They way they fight, I'm suprised we don't catch more cacat chops with less than a full set of legs. 6leg huge, I don't doubt that he lost his legs from fights. Looks like you have struck gold in the new area you went to.

It won't be long now before Bighead picks up the chop trait now that you have 3 chops spreading it around.

The black female fights like a chop. Interestingly it also shows an angry face and sometimes waits to advance. Perhaps it's partially chop. Most chops do not have the patience to wait for the opponents' cue before attacking.

You now have proof that chop is an acquired behaviour (bred, not born). They can't/won't breed once they pick it up. I bet if you put the 6leg with a normal female, he won't mate either.
We also know that not all fighting spiders acquire it in their lives. So it's not an age-related behaviour either.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 14 2008, 03:34 PM)
Archilles seems to be more active, I agree.  He also seems darker in the head.  Did he look like that to you?
Knowing that temperature affects the speed of the spiders, would they become better fighters in the afternoon than at night?

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To me, both spiders look equally matured to me. Neither too dark nor too light. I also think that certain time of the day they fight more actively.
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Wow, this Kelapasawit is real keng wo! thumbup.gif

Never know there are fighting spiders...
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This spider feeds what? You guys catch it for petting it or just want to see them fight?
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QUOTE(abang brother @ Feb 15 2008, 08:59 PM)
This spider feeds what? You guys catch it for petting it or just want to see them fight?
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Makan other live insects. Catch as a pet to watch and to fight. Cannot pet la...so small, mati ooo if you put your finger on it.
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Oh ya lol. Too little.

Other insects? O_o As in..?
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Yeah.. few hundreds requires more time to feed if do manually.

I think if got alot spiders, each spider will be in separated case. Put some water using leaves tat can store/trap/hold water inside the case. Use the fish food automatic timer device set drop food every 24hours once for each of the spider case. Food can be from dead mosquitoes, flies, ants etcs.. icon_idea.gif

Nice videos. Both spiders can fight well and last quite long. Yeah.. i remember last time u got show me another video ur fren holding a big spider. Tat spider is quite big oso.

Archilles is getting bigger, its appetite is good, everyday oso eat n drink alot.
I've compare Archilles with Spartan. Spartan size is smaller. i think maybe like ur BigGuns size.

Dont want to let them fight .. prefer Spartan to fight with ur BigGuns next time.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 16 2008, 11:33 AM)
True, as i said, feeding them is easy if only 2 or 3 spiders. But can you feed a hundred spiders? In 5 seconds? You can feed a tank full of fish(like your brother fishes) in 5 seconds.

Anyway here's kelapasawit, a male i caught from a kelapasawit plantation. 3 clips in one, with the last match lasting 14 seconds! Bro1 is mighty experienced. (i wrongly mentioned kelapasawit as redleaf in the last clip, should be kelapasawit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAXqI5ky1Y
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Added on February 16, 2008, 12:28 pmYeah.. nice fight. You should see the fight between Achilles vs BigHeads..more KENG Chow. rclxms.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uPncA-m4Tk&feature=related

These spiders can feed on small insects like mosquitoes, flies, ants etcs.. they like juicy stuff.. laugh.gif

I catch these spiders coz wanna fight with Mindstorm big spiders. tongue.gif
Fighting spider is also one of my favourite hobby and i like to keep it as pet and also to let them fight once a while.

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QUOTE(White Palace @ Feb 16 2008, 11:53 AM)
Wow, this Kelapasawit is real keng wo!  thumbup.gif

Never know there are fighting spiders...

This spider feeds what? You guys catch it for petting it or just want to see them fight?

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This evening managed to caught 4 male spiders. 2 average adult size male spider, 2 young male spiders.
1 of the adult spider average size caught from Pandn leaves, others i dunno wats the leaves name.. tongue.gif


Here are some of the pics of the type of leaves where i caught my spiders.

I caught Archilles from these leaves.
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Overlapping leaves with spider nest
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Pandan leaves
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Dunno wat type of leave is this.. got fighting spiders oso,
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Cant remember which spider is this.. maybe its Archilles?
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Archilles drinking fruit juice.
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At night let the 2 average adult size male spider fight.
Just short pushing only. The winner Pandan Spider.

Pandan fight with Spartan.
Pandan spider is only abit smaller than Spartan. This fight is very fierce as both spiders fight with strong chops, tight lock each others, flip/swap position, overturn and roll all over.!!!
Pandan was defeated and was injured quite bad.. it leaped off from the fighting ring to escape but when hanging in the air with its web on.. Pandan seems fainted!!!
It was hanging on the air via its web for quite some time.. tot dead ady... try to touch its abit.. Pandan start to climb up its web but half way.. it stop and not moving again hanging in the air.

Use my hand to carry up Pandan. Pandan movement is quite weak after the fight. Seems got bitten badly by Spartan. No broken legs or arms.. but seems very weak after the fight.
I fed it with fruit juice and short while later Pandan movement back to normal. Keep in back in its case but then i saw something happened!!
Pandan use its arm to push its teeth/tentacle till fall off!!!

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Check out the video. Quality abit blur.. coz using pda CMOS camera. cry.gif Cant really see clearly when the spider overturn and roll all over during the fight.
The first video is the fierce fight between Spartan and Pandan.
http://download.yousendit.com/22792CE817270682

2nd video shows Pandan fainted while hanging in the air via web. No energy to climb up its web after the fight. sweat.gif
http://download.yousendit.com/E984B2387D7146A7

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Here's Spartan pics. Its size is slightly bigger than my index finger nail.
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Man.... Spartan is damn fierce.. Previously when i fight it with Lily, Banglo, NoName/LowLand.. just short push and 1-2 chops only and they just retreat from continue fighting. Tonight fight is so fierce as both spider didnt retreat, lock each other tightly and launch fierce CHOPs!!

Mindstorm.. this is wat i've told u before.. fight till teeth/tentacle oso break.
Very fierce fight.

Spartan is a dangerous fierce fighter.!! shocking.gif


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Fight Spartan with Achiles lah Viper.......Sure got very good video to watch want.....haha

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Spartan vs Archilles? Archilles is LARGE leh..Spartan is BIG. laugh.gif
Not so fair fight lar. Maybe Spartan can win oso coz its fierce type and can fight very well.

I keep Spartan to fight with Mindstorm spiders ma.. BigGuns or any big spiders?
Archilles is getting bigger size due to its good appetite. Very active also, always roam inside its case. I've change its case to a bigger one so it can move more freely.
Spartan oso doing very well. Very lucky able to caught these 2 strong fighting spiders. Have to brave thru the mosquites, red ants and some drain place.. laugh.gif
Caught from my housing area, Setiawangsa. I think if go other place got alot of leaves plants, can get more big fighting spiders.

Now the male spiders i have, rank in size.
1- Archilles (Large)
2 - Spartan (BIG)
3 - Pandan (Average - Big size)
4 - Tiny (small size)

Still thinking whether i should let go Pandan and Tiny coz not so big.. both are good fighters oso... not the type tat kecut easily.
Pandan is recovering well after the fight.

U got find fighting spiders ? Go find la.. then can vs Mindstorm and my spiders.

I see only me and Mindstorm are the one tat still play spiders leh in LYN.
This type of hobby is dying i think for ppl in town area.... maybe those urban or kampung area still got ppl play.
Last time in my skool days..lotsa guys playing. Even my skool prefect oso got play fighting spiders. tongue.gif
Very popular.. fight in the early morning bfr skool start and fight during lunch break time..
No betting.. just for the excitement and also c the amazing spider fighting skills and strength! rclxms.gif

I hope to share this fighting spiders experience here so the newer modern generation kids or guy can get to know about these
great fighting spiders.

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QUOTE(pitinn @ Feb 17 2008, 11:26 PM)
Fight Spartan with Achiles lah Viper.......Sure got very good video to watch want.....haha
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Oiyo...damn fierce man. Your 3 spiders all also very fierce type. So now i only have 2 spiders that can match your spiders, bighead and bigguns.
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Dunno wat type of leave is this.. got fighting spiders oso,
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I fed it with fruit juice and short while later Pandan movement back to normal. Keep in back in its case but then i saw something happened!!
Pandan use its arm to push its teeth/tentacle till fall off!!!

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Mindstorm.. this is wat i've told u before.. fight till teeth/tentacle oso break.
Very fierce fight.

Spartan is a dangerous fierce fighter.!! shocking.gif
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Yeah this type of leave is very rough but suprisingly fighting spiders like them. I used to catch a lot of big spiders in these type of leaves in my grandmother housing area. Hence whenever i see them i sure think there must be spiders.
Wah, i think your whole area kena comb by you alone.

Your pandan looks really hurt with its gigi one gone. Spiders use their gigi to push also, so with one gone will be difficult.

Some of my spiders getting old i think, esp topman. Cannot fight well already... always lose to bro1 and other spiders. Anyway i am letting my spiders rest a bit for a few days.

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Legally, i don't know got any laws say cant capture or let the spiders fight are illegal. Its just like capture ant or bugs, etcs.
Some people oso have scorpions, tarantula etcs as pet and pet shop oso got sell Rhino Beetle.. the 3 horns one tat can fight. RM 30 - RM 120 depending on its size. They can fight too but in a diiferent way by lifting up their opponent till fall upside down. Its to show their strength and also fighting skill. http://www.goliathus.com/en/en-dynastidae.html

Dog n cock fighting is illegal coz most of it involves gambling and most of the time the animal are let to fight till death.

Fighting spiders are natural born fighters. They fight for foods, territory, females and also survival in the wild.
Its also smart to backoff or retreat if facing another bigger or stronger fighting spiders.
Fightings spiders dont fight till death and quite seldom the spiders get injured badly or fight to death unless facing a very fierce opponent.
This also will happen at their natural habitat area if got into fierce fights.

Just like 2 boxers fighting in a ring, the loser will give up and cant continue the fight. If against a very strong boxer, he might get Knock Out.. KO.
U got watch wrestling or boxing? Kick boxing etcs....

Depends on the owners, spider fights normally conducted for same size spider to see which one is stronger and have good fighting skills.
Its also a direct face to face fight and when against chop spiders, its a must. It is to avoid any death or injury 2 the spiders. We let the spiders fight but the fighting spiders will make its own decision how to fight the match.. whether its a bloodied one just a quickie short one.

We let the spiders fight as its their natural fighting instinct for its own same species. The fighting spiders can judge its opponent arm width and size before they start fighting, if it feel its opponent is 2 strong, it will ran off every time when see the opponent no matter how u try to put it to fight. If it doesnt 1 to fight, its ok de.. just keep it back or let it go. laugh.gif

Its just like horse racing.. see which one is the Black Horse tat can run fast and win.
In horse racing competition, some of the horse might get injured as well coz fall when running or etcs..
Do thinks its cruel for the horse in race tracks get whip hard so it will ran faster to win the race? shocking.gif

With proper care and good food, fighting spiders can live well n be a good nice tiny pet.
They will also alwys ready to fight when theres any sparring partners given to them.

Yeah, its depend on the person itself.. if u think its legally & morally wrong, then by all means dont catch the spiders to fight.
Continue to play with ur others cutie type of pets. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(tam_ironcup @ Feb 18 2008, 05:34 PM)
urm, doesnt fighting spiders constitute animal cruelty....

if dog fighting and cock fighting is illegal, shouldnt spider fights be wrong as well? legally and morally......
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Added on February 19, 2008, 12:25 amI've managed to catch 2 young males and some female fighting spiders from tat type of leaves. Cant find any big adult males there yet sad.gif
There are also some fighting spiders caught from Nangka and banana leaf. Yeah.. i look for fighting spiders at my places everyday. tongue.gif
Yesterday got 1 neighbour approached me and says he thought i wanna curi his bananas. tongue.gif
Very hard to find large/big adult fighting spiders at my place here.

Pandan is ok ady. It defeated Tiny easily tonite. Just short push and Tiny ran away. Tomorrow will let go Tiny liao.

Yeah.. let me know when u wanna fight spiders again.
No other kakis except u.. lol.. Cant find any good challenger for Archilles and Spartan from my Setiawangsa area yet.
Maybe need to go other place to look for large/big ones.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 18 2008, 05:27 PM)
Yeah this type of leave is very rough but suprisingly fighting spiders like them. I used to catch a lot of big spiders in these type of leaves in my grandmother housing area. Hence whenever i see them i sure think there must be spiders.
Wah, i think your whole area kena comb by you alone.

Your pandan looks really hurt with its gigi one gone. Spiders  use their gigi to push also, so with one gone will be difficult.

Some of my spiders getting old i think, esp topman. Cannot fight well already... always lose to bro1 and other spiders. Anyway i am letting my spiders rest a bit for a few days.
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QUOTE(tam_ironcup @ Feb 18 2008, 05:34 PM)
urm, doesnt fighting spiders constitute animal cruelty....

if dog fighting and cock fighting is illegal, shouldnt spider fights be wrong as well? legally and morally......
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Is smacking a mosquito which is trying to suck your blood more cruel or 2 spiders wrestling for less than 5-10 seconds more cruel? One has its guts spilled out (even though all it was trying to do was do what God/Nature intended it to do) and the other(even though lose) gets to breathe, eat and have sex for another day.

Is
1) cutting the heads of cricket to feed sugarglider
2) feeding live baby mice/chics to snakes/pacman frog
3) mealworms to tarantula
less cruel?

I certainly hope you're vegetarian when you mention about cruelty... for every bite of meat you take is a result of some animal being slaughtered for your pleasure. When i say this, almost everyone would counter saying," But food is a basic need..." I would say, "Yeah? Because you need protein right? Then just eat eggs...complete amino acids. Don't eat KFC, McDonalds, seafood etc(in other words, go vegetarian) because that would add more suffering/cruelty by killing more animals in this world". Oh yes, that goes to any dog/cat you're keeping too if you do have them as pets.

Other than what i have said, I think viper said it pretty well.

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QUOTE(tam_ironcup @ Feb 18 2008, 02:34 AM)
urm, doesnt fighting spiders constitute animal cruelty....

if dog fighting and cock fighting is illegal, shouldnt spider fights be wrong as well? legally and morally......
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Viper said it well.

Another thing I can add is, the spiders are free to run away if they lose. Cock fighting or dog fighting is usually done in an enclosed area where the loser has no where to run...which is really inhumane.

Fighting them will also safely train them to be better prepared for future encounters when we let them back into the wild. If you have followed this thread, you would have noticed that most of the spiders that are caught are eventually let go. Remember that they are territorial; therefore, they must fight (and avoid predators) to survive.
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Caught another male size spider. About the same size like Spartan.
I caught it at my neighbour house outside leaves. Didn't expect got spider there coz that area quite small and dont have not much leaves oso.

Let it fight with Pandan. It beat Pandan easily. Just arm pushing and Pandan retreat.
After tat, what else? Fight with Spartan la of coz. tongue.gif

Man.. the new spider not so strong .. just short arm pushing and gave up. It ran away oso after i try to fight it again the 2nd and 3rd round.
So keep it aside. Haven't give it any name yet coz not so fierce type.
Will let go Tiny and Pandan later this evening.

Yeah.. caught a medium size house flies alive and put it with Spartan. Spartan killed the house flies nicely and feast on it. drool.gif

Here are some pics.

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This is the what i've said earlier, big and fierce spiders will eat house flies oso even though the house flies size is about the same like them.
The house flies is medium size but its definitely no small type. Last time i saw this happen when i was in primary skool but with bigger house flies. biggrin.gif
The fighting spiders was like wrestling with the house flies for some time before able to kill it. rclxms.gif Wat a scene... laugh.gif

Hopefully Spartan will get much bigger and stronger like Archilles. icon_idea.gif

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I have caught 1average size male and 1average size female.....During Cny....CHU YI cannot catch spider but I found alot of big size one.....hai....
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Nice.. ur area got fighting spiders. rclxms.gif
Must put in more effort to search for the big and strong fighting spiders.

Post some pics here, it will be nice.

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I have caught 1average size male and 1average size female.....During Cny....CHU YI cannot catch spider but I found alot of big size one.....hai....
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 18 2008, 10:31 PM)

Yeah.. let me know when u wanna fight spiders again.
No other kakis except u.. lol..  Cant find any good challenger for Archilles and Spartan from my Setiawangsa area yet.
Maybe need to go other place to look for large/big ones.

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Hai..sorry this week cannot la...got wind that my auditor coming round soon, so go lots of checking to do. I'll certainly let u know if i go down Ampang and am free. Btw, your Archilles look really healthy... ready to smack down.
if u free to come near here then also let me know la...
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U got play fighting spider oso? I think got hear girl voice in scarycat vs pippy video. U isit?

Mindstorm.. the others female spider in Archilles case oso got laid eggs ady..
After laid eggs, the female spider become so thin. shocking.gif
Need to sepate the female so it wont eat its eggs/spiderlings rite?
Once the egg is laid, it will hatch by itself without the female?

This evening, i let pandan fight with the new spider.
Pandan spider won.. just short push also. The new spiders same size like Pandan but smaller abit if compare to Spartan.
Have let go all the average and small spiders ady. Now only have 2 males piders

Archilles
Spartan

+ 2 female spiders.


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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 19 2008, 01:50 AM)
helo..im TS's sis...  wave.gif

ermm..gor,vege also got life 1 ler... sweat.gif
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ok, here is wat i did during cny. My story a bit back dated sometimes cuz my sis borrowed my camera with my pics inside and also no time to post immediately..hehe.

As i said, i wanted to verify wheather really or not spiders in kelapa sawit so geng as some ppl say...so during 5th day of cny i think i drove from port dickson back to seremban using long way through old roads...just to get to the kelapa sawit plantations, i started around 1 pm... here is my exploration

first place i stop near some forested area where certain areas cleared...got monkeys and even though found some nice leaves but no FS. The place i looked for got no monkeys...but further about 100meters up i saw a group of monkeys...maybe 30-40 of them...better not find there, those male adults monkeys can be pretty fierce...
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then i stop near a rubber estate because got some leaves which looks conducive... got la...a lot of young ones but after finding for half hour...cannot even get one male....sigh... so i moved on... at that time also very hot and the area looks dry
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Ah, at last i saw a kelapa sawit plantation nearby and went there...
the ground all over got fallen leaves...usually snakes like to hide under there...
the type of leaves i look around also got FS but only small ones... cannot even find one adult...haiz....so i carried on my journey after about 20min of searching. The leaves look scanty and not worth exploring further...
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...got to go through a dug ditch to get here and to get back to my car. This area the plantation owner didnt put up fence but dig a deep ditch to deter people like me from transpassing...
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i drove on, all the while looking at the floor of the plantation to see if the leaves are FS type... alot of the plantation have ferns...wont be able to find them there. Also got many areas the floor quite dry and barren...sure nothing... so i drove and drove
wah...after driving for about 15min, i saw a nice area...it is lower than the road like about the height of a double storey house... so i went down....no other human in sight.....
Wow...the leaves look perfect. I noticed the long leaf plant which climb up the kelapa sawit... those usually FS like.
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..a look up to see where i am...
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...a big earwig...
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even got small stream with nice leaves growing beside...
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So i got to hardcore finding, using all my skills i have over the years to intensely find the elusive "kelapa sawit" large fierce spider.... After almost 45min, i found MANY MANY young(30-40 maybe)!!! and 1 adult female and only one small adult male...aiyah....really really dissapointed...

Anyway, it is CNY, no plans that afternoon, wife already working... so i continued to walk further in.....
wah i reach this large drainage area where the stream originated, the area looks brighter and got water source, leaves also look nice....looks like gold mine...
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a look back to see where i stand from the road...notice the road railings far far away on the left of pic...
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Yeah...within 5 mins i step close to the wall of plants, i found a male....which i named kelapasawit.
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I saw lot of other critters here too.. like crickets(lots of them) that seem to nest in these type of leaves rather than the ground, and also a type of BIG yellow fly...sure tarantulas like them
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..saw this nice spider...looks like family of golden spider/spider besi(as viper call it)...
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Anyway i spent quite a long time here...probably close to an hour and a half...
In the end, i only took back one average male spider(kelapa sawit) and a big female spider(hopefully to mate with bighead but until now still dont want to mate, i think pregnant already)
i got catch another 2 small male but i let them go after fighting them there with kelapasawit...short fight only

sigh... hard to believe what is so great about kelapasawit plantation....
maybe got other people go there catch, or maybe wrong season...those numerous young maybe in time will become adults...

anyway while walking back suddenly hear got dogs barking...shit.... got dogs from some nearby isolated house....the dogs saw me from an area higher than where i was standing... i bend down... the dogs also cabut...haiz...even the dogs here kecut...lucky me....so i headed to the nearest town for some food...nearly 4pm leow

here's a pic near where i ate, notice the type of plantation i explored in the background
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Anyway i got stop here and there abit to explore but no luck... 6pm late already got to go meet some frens for dinner.

I think wheather kelapa sawit or not doesnt matter. I am sure some kelapasawit area got fierce FS, but so does housing area like where viper found Archilles, or where Mangrovejumper found Bighead. I found no proof to think that kelapasawit spiders is any different from other conducive areas. The 2 males i let go is just like normal kecut males... nothing special. That's wat i think from my exploration that day. Hopefully i will find time again to go other kelapasawit areas to try again...

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Well, if you know friends with kelapa sawit plantations, you can always ask their workers to go catch for you during their free time. My father in law gets them to help catch lipan to feed his arowana, and them lipan are huge!!! Mostly 15 - 20cm long!!! Imagine the spiders that they can catch!

BTW: The estate you went to looks too 'cultured'. The ones in Sabah are like secondary forests!

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 20 2008, 12:36 AM)
Well, if you know friends with kelapa sawit plantations, you can always ask their workers to go catch for you during their free time. My father in law gets them to help catch lipan to feed his arowana, and them lipan are huge!!! Mostly 15 - 20cm long!!! Imagine the spiders that they can catch!

BTW: The estate you went to looks too 'cultured'. The ones in Sabah are like secondary forests!
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yeah, i also got thot of asking orang asli to catch fighting spiders for me.. but dunno where to go.

yeah, i also also think the estate looks a bit cultured. But then again, if too wild, fighting spiders also may not be abundant there. As mangrovejumper have mention before, he hardly can find FS in middle of "hutan belantara". I too have tried, very very hard to find... can find also not big. If the place is too wild, i think FS find it hard to survive esp the young. Lots of other predators can eat them.

Actually, a lot of fighting spiders are found in plants planted by human beings. Fighting spiders actually survive better in areas where humans dwell nearby. That's why they were once so popular in primary schools.

I even remember once as a kid i found 2 medium large males in a "kum yam" plant in my neighbours house which is actually under the awning of a car porch. Means it is not even expose to rain. The nests are actually almost touching the car door when the car is parked. My neighbour take cares and water his plants everyday, so even there also the spiders make nest, which i really didnt expect.

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QUOTE(pitinn @ Feb 19 2008, 01:46 PM)
I have caught 1average size male and 1average size female.....During Cny....CHU YI cannot catch spider but I found alot of big size one.....hai....
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yeah if got camera show us la...
otherwise tell me where u stay, i got average size male also.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 19 2008, 11:22 PM)
U got play fighting spider oso? I think got hear girl voice in scarycat vs pippy video. U isit?

Mindstorm.. the others female spider in Archilles case oso got laid eggs ady..
After laid eggs, the female spider become so thin. shocking.gif
Need to sepate the female so it wont eat its eggs/spiderlings rite?
Once the egg is laid, it will hatch by itself without the female?

This evening, i let pandan fight with the new spider.
Pandan spider won.. just short push also. The new spiders same size like Pandan but smaller abit if compare to Spartan.
Have let go all the average and small spiders ady. Now only have 2 males piders

Archilles
Spartan

+ 2 female spiders.
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No la, she is not there in scarycat vs pippy video.
She is in this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o86QCRubKik

wah, u got 2 batch of eggs now.
Actually no need to separate. She wont eat the eggs unless
1) you dont feed her for more than 3 days
2) you tear open her nest
But i guess you dont keep ur spiders with live plants, so she must have laid them in the leaves which will soon dry up. Then i think you separate. But dont open the nest, because i think strong light might somehow spoil the eggs. Then keep them in box for about 1 and half month... no guarantee will hatch cuz i also still finding out....

Here's some pics i took last year...can compare

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Just after laying eggs... abdomen looks a bit kemet
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 19 2008, 09:17 AM)

..saw this nice spider...looks like family of golden spider/spider besi(as viper call it)...

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Wah, haven't seen this type of spider since I was a young boy. I wish you could have taken it home and have it square off with a golden spider. I guess I just have a soft spot for "ghost" spiders...I always tend to experiment with non FS species. Long legs, ant spiders, hantu kuning, etc.

Kelapa sawit seems to be a very strong fighter, so maybe there is some truth to the belief of FS in palm oil plantations being very geng.


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viper88...

i duno which video... unsure.gif

i got play but nv go catch..hehe..cz dun wan mosq bite plus leeches...eeeeeeeewww!!
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Wow.. long time i no c this type of cute spiders ady. rclxm9.gif . I think its very hard to find this type of spiders in town ady.. dunno why.
Last time in primary skol i got catch before and keep it as pet, colour abit different Black and white abit. It cant fight. Just know how to eat and rest only.. biggrin.gif
One thing i like about this cute spider is its arm, thick like crab arms. This is the same type of arms tat i saw in the chinese news paper bfr for
its most biggest fighting spider. Its arms also thick and fat which i never saw bfr.

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Man... its very big.. i oso say.. omg that spider is sure KENG n very strong. or Maybe its very old ady? hmm.gif

My housing area only got some average and small male fighting spiders. Not really fierce n strong also.
Archilles and Spartan i caught from the same place small garden opposite Semi-D house. Both have the same colour which is pale light green black stripes .
Its colour is different from other normal FS light green black stripes.
From their fighting skill, i know tat both spiders are really fierce and strong type. icon_idea.gif

Wa.. u so daring going into Kelapa sawit plantation alone. Too bad cant find any big/large male FS.
My neighbour kampung in Bagan Lalang got Kelapa Sawit plantation, he also got told me bfr the spiders there are big n fierce oso.
Will try ask him look for some big ones if he go back his hometown next time. The recent FS he caught for me at his car is average size.. kecut type.
Maybe just got beaten badly by other fierce FS. hmm.gif

Ur KelapaSawit is ur 3rd King now?
KelapaSawit same size like ur BigGun? Got fight them bfr?

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Added on February 20, 2008, 10:30 pmThis evening caught 2 average size young males FS from pandan leaves and dunno wat type of leaves.. The leaves got 3 colour 1.. red, green and white.
Name the spider as Pandan2 - pandan leaves and the other 1 as Trinity - 3 colour leaves.

Size smaller abit if compare to Spartan. ohmy.gif

Around 7pm.. its time to let the spiders fight!! rclxm9.gif

Pandan2 vs Trinity tongue.gif
Just short push only.. Trinity won. No fight.. Pandan2 seems kecut.. hiya..

Try fight Trinity vs Spartan.
Same oso.. short arm pushing only. Trinity knows it cant win.. so ran away.

Hiya.. not exciting fight at all.. Seems these 2 FS not big enuf and not fierce type.
Since theres no other good spiders to fight, i decided to let SPARTAN fight with ARCHILLES rclxm9.gif
Both spider size are slightly different abit only. Archilles is large FS whereas Spartan is big FS.
Spartan is a good and fierce fighter so i'm quite confident its able to give a good fight for Achilles.

Archilles is slightly bigger than Spartan so i let Spartan enter the fighting ring 1st.

This fight is damn fierce lasted close to 50 seconds minus both FS fierce fighting stance position.!!!
Its 2X longer fight compared to the 22secs fight between Archilles VS BigHead!!

Spartan bottom, Archilles top.

Archilles underestimated Spartan at the beginning and get push/throw away!!, it then uses its body size advantage to push, chg position and lock Spartan while launching counter attack chops!!.
Spartan is DAMN strong!! Its able to launch alot of chops and tried many times to lift up/flip Archilles. Spartan also good at defend by locking Archilles and it just dont want to give up easily!!.

Both spider fight using all their superb fighting skills and gave their best in the fight! After the fight both spiders were exhausted and injured. sweat.gif
I can see some of their legs when walking didnt touch ground.. its leg pointed up abit.... cant walk much also after the fight coz too exhausted but no broken teeth, arms or legs. *phew. notworthy.gif
Fed with water melon juice after the fight to regain energy. No more fight .. need to let them rest to recover. nod.gif

Those FS fans should see this fight. Its the most longest and fiercest FS fight i've ever seen so far.!!!
To know which spider is the winner, see the video la.. laugh.gif

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/45574943553F7746

Archilles and Spartan fight are the best fighting spider fight i've ever seen so far !!

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FUIYO, far out!!! Spartan won! Incredible fight!! ONE OF ITS KIND, man! I have never seen a fight that arm lock for so long. Like 2 fighting fish mouth to mouth lock. I can see Spartan was like a human tactical fighter, can see him pulling and pushing Archilles as well as swaying side to side, and Archilles in large reacting to it. Holy cow. He even tipped Archilles at one point.

I watched this video like 8 times before i write now. Viper, your spiders officially hold the longest lasting fight record!
I used my stopwatch to time and it was about 46 seconds. I started from the moment of arm contact. (They touch first and waited like one second before jaw to jaw contact)

Good thing you got it on video, while not very clear, it is not too bad. Clear enough to experience the drama.

Archilles is aggressive, Spartan even MORE aggressive what more given that it is smaller than Archilles. After such a long fight, he still aggressively chase after Archilles off the stage, causing Archilles to "thiu lau"(jump off the building).

You really choose a name that suit him. Spartan is probably gonna take top place. The ultimate fighter. One more fight just to confirm... that's with none other than Bighead.

Superb one, viper!!! Yeap, one of the best fight i've seen in my life.

PS, did you train them?


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 20 2008, 11:33 AM)


Ur KelapaSawit is ur 3rd King now?
KelapaSawit same size like ur BigGun? Got fight them bfr?

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No lah. Kelapa sawit is only fifth king. His size is actually slighting smaller than Bro1. So cannot compare to Biggun.
He lost to Bro1 but gave good fight.

Bighead
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Lowland(swapped i think also)
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Small chop
Small chop is category on its own.


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Excellent fight. Should put it on youtube for everyone to enjoy.

It's hard to see on the video, but I didn't think there was a size difference between the two. As
a matter of fact, the blue one may have a slightly larger head than the green one. I assume the bluish
one is Spartan. I agree that he's very good at changing directions and counter attacking.

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Ya.. Spartan is damn fierce and aggressive in the fight!. From the start of the fight, it attack Archilles till manage to flip it aside!! See how Spartan strong attack push and chop fiercely at Archilles. Archilles was caught by suprised but managed counter back with tight lock and start push Archilles and launch several arm bitting and chops! Both spiders swap position few times and Archilles in defensive mode do a tight lock to stop Spartan from doing more fierce attack. But this cant stop Spartan at all, it cont to launch few more chops, push Archilles swaying to the side few times and mustered all its strength to lift Archilles up twice!! Spartan almost flip Archilles flat down. shocking.gif

Mindstorm, Spartan managed to lift Archilles up twice.. not one time. See the video again. icon_idea.gif

After Archilles been lifted up 2 times and get push left and right few times, Spartan able to break free from Archilles tight arms lock!
Then it launch its fierce arms pushing attack and both spiders exchanging chops few times. Spartan attack is too fierce forcing Archilles to retreat and jump off from the fighting ring. Archilles was knockout/fainted ! sweat.gif It cant climb up its web at all coz too exhausted n injured after the fight!
I try to blow some air see whether Archilles can regain conscious to climb up but still fail. Spartan on top of the fighting ring is still actively searching for Archilles. After some time i see Archilles not moving, i lift it up using my hand and can see its injured ady.. one leg twisted abit up in the air and cant walk. It just stay on my finger exhausted and tired. Fed it with watermelon just but still movement very weak, put it back to its case. Later i check on Spartan, it also exhausted and not moving already. Gave water melon just but drink abit only. Spartan seems injured more badly from the fight, 2 of its leg facing up the air and at few times Spartan almost fall upside down when i put in on the uneven leaf! sweat.gif Its too exhausted from the fight!! After rest for quite some time, finally Spartan able to move slowly back and i keep it to its case.

Both fighters is totally exhausted and injured from the fierce fight. sweat.gif

This morning bfr work, i check Archilles is back to normal already. Its actively roaming around in its case walking upside down. Spartan also recovering well, but not as active like Archilles, maybe is resting. rclxm9.gif

Spartan size is slightly smaller than Archilles, its size different is obvious and i can know which is Spartan easily immediately after the fight.
Its actually not really fair fight i must say. cry.gif

Somemore Spartan been sparring with few others average male FS few days and the same nite bfr the fight like vs Pandan1, Pandan2, Trinity and etcs. Spartan might still be recovering from any injury or still tired from the previous few fights earlier especially after the fierce fight with Pandan1. sweat.gif Wack Pandan1 till one teeth broke. sweat.gif

Archilles since its the largest spider i have, i dont dare to let it fight with other average size FS.
The last fight Archilles had was with BigGun and BigHead about 1 week ago.

I didnt train my spiders much. Only Spartan got chance to spar/fight with others average size FS. Most of it just short arm pushing only, except Pandan1 able to give a good strong fight. Got play with the spiders to let them jump from my fingers to my other hands fingers. Seeing them jump is quite fun. Also go tap my hands and let them fall down with its web and later let it climb up its web. Archilles at the other hand most of the lazing and having fun with its female partner. tongue.gif No fight with other FS coz cant find any big/large spiders to fight with.

Fight with your BigHead? Ur BigHead is bigger abit than Archilles leh.. Archilles is slightly bigger than Spartan.
Tat means ur BigHead is much bigger than Spartan. unsure.gif Spartan is a very fierce FS tat able to knock out its opponent twice already.. Pandan1 and even bigger opponent like Archilles. No doubt Spartan is a fierce, brave and excellent fighting spider but due to size different, Spartan is at a more disadvantage position and might get injured more badly if fight with bigger FS. The more suitable fight is of coz with ur BigGuns. laugh.gif But for the time being, need to let Spartan have a good rest to recover from yesterday ferocious fight.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 21 2008, 12:03 AM)
FUIYO, far out!!! Spartan won! Incredible fight!! ONE OF ITS KIND, man! I have never seen a fight that arm lock for so long. Like 2 fighting fish mouth to mouth lock. I can see Spartan was like a human tactical fighter, can see him pulling and pushing Archilles as well as swaying side to side, and Archilles in large reacting to it. Holy cow. He even tipped Archilles at one point.

I watched this video like 8 times before i write now. Viper, your spiders officially hold the longest lasting fight record!
I used my stopwatch to time and it was about 46 seconds. I started from the moment of arm contact. (They touch first and waited like one second before jaw to jaw contact)

Good thing you got it on video, while not very clear, it is not too bad. Clear enough to experience the drama.

Archilles is aggressive, Spartan even MORE aggressive what more given that it is smaller than Archilles. After such a long fight, he still aggressively chase after Archilles off the stage, causing Archilles to "thiu lau"(jump off the building).

You really choose a name that suit him. Spartan is probably gonna take top place. The ultimate fighter. One more fight just to confirm... that's with none other than Bighead.

Superb one, viper!!! Yeap, one of the best fight i've seen in my life.

PS, did you train them?

Added on February 21, 2008, 11:51 amYa.. superb fighting display by both Spartan and Archilles.
Mindstorm if you free, you can upload the videos in Youtube.

I use Dopod 838pro PDAhandphone camera to shoot the video in the evening. Very lucky the quality is still ok and much better compared to the previous fight Spartan vs Pandan1 which is quite blur. I dun have viewcam like Mindstorm .. tongue.gif

Spartan and Archilles actually have the same colour which is light pale green colour coz caught from the same area. Their colour is easier to differentiate.. if u see the video fight between Archilles and BigHeads. In the video BigHeads green colour is more darker green type.
It also shows tat Achilles is slightly smaller compare to BigHead.

In the fight against BigHead, Archilles bend both its arms inside and look very fierce bfr fight. But in yesterday fight, Archilles arms was wide open when close in to fight but Spartan arms position bend in looks more fiercer, Spartan surprisingly move backwards few times before start fighting maybe because facing a bigger opponent.. need to judge its opponent strength carefully. hmm.gif Archilles charged openly at Spartan even when its near but seems not really serious at the beginning of the fight based on it arm fighting stance position. It was then Spartan pound hard at Archilles !!
Archilles tried its best to fight back after got surprised attck continuously by Spartan. tongue.gif Can see clearly Archilles immediately do a tight lock and push/carry Spartan backwards Even after a fierce push n get flip earlier by Spartan. Its a very strong push and counter attack by Archilles!

Fighting stance arms position can show whether the spiders is really serious in the fight or take the fight lightly.

I think...if FS
Arms bend in deep - fierce fighting stance..more on defensive but can launch strong attk.
Arms open wide - more confident, ready to start arm pushing fast .. more attack but less defensive style.
Arms up in the air - surrender sign?, want to make love? tongue.gif

Bluish FS is rare...my friend chop FS oso bluish in colour and man.. its damn fierce and strong oso!!

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 21 2008, 08:11 AM)
Excellent fight. Should put it on youtube for everyone to enjoy.

It's hard to see on the video, but I didn't think there was a size difference between the two. As
a matter of fact, the blue one may have a slightly larger head than the green one. I assume the bluish
one is Spartan. I agree that he's very good at changing directions and counter attacking.

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huh.. having trouble going through all 10 pages with long posts and pictures
i was too playing fighting spiders when i was in secondary school..
primary school tat time only see other ppl plays it.. i involve catching it after i was in secondary school.
playing it with classmates and other class students.. mine was quite a good fighter..
then there comes once i met this spider as what has been described earlier, sek pao. my school is calling it as "kap pao". as it runs straight to the enemy.
that fight last less than 3 seconds, as the enemy rush towards my spider, both jumped from the matching place and fell on to table, and mine ran once it dropped on the table. while the sek pao remains unmoved.
obviously mine loose. my spider totally lose confident to fight anymore, even after 1 month. i let it go and after that i can't find a good spider as my previous 1..

saw that brown colour spider before. it doesn't have long hands as normal fighting spider, it's brown in colour, big head, and it wins in fighting XD agreed it's very rare now. only seen this before while i was in primary school.

the colourfull types ain't a fighter, as for most that i have seen. they have the shaped like fighting spider, they can fight, but most of the time they back off.

last time i always look for spider at pandan leaves and those short coconut trees. never ever dare to venture into deep bushes, afraid of snakes laugh.gif
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Surprised to know Spartan and Archilles had their legs injured in the fight as i couldnt seem to see them biting legs, maybe during the tipping. Mostly I see them jaw to jaw. Bet there is a lot of grinding of teeth.

The fight reminds me of watching UFC, when the fighters lock each other up on the ground...each trying to manoveur their way to get to an advantaged position.

Giving water melon juice, wah... new to me. I must try on my spiders too. Hope they dont get diabetes. smile.gif

Here are some backlog fights to update.

Lowland is half chop now. Check how he fights. No long fights but pretty aggressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzyYj7AZt4

Bighead LOSES! Twice! to 6 legs.. and short fight only!
Looks like Bighead may be losing it...

From first fight, we can compare their size.
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But second fight is right after Bighead mated(with a third female)! haha! I am really pushing his limits....
Third fight shows Bighead is still no pushover. But from this fight you can see how disadvantage being one arm is.. you always get attacked on your weaker side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuFNvCG63K8

As of writing this that was the last fight between Bighead and 6leg. 6leg looks weaker after the last fight. I scared another fight might fatally injure him.

SORRY guys. Bigguns is DEAD. I found him dead yesterday in the water in the bottle where i place my plant. I dunno why. When i found him, he was still fully intact but limp. His stomach was medium fat. I am wondering wheather drinking the water may have killed him. Cuz the water quite old. But i have been spraying fresh water everyday at least 2 times a day. Really sad.
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Subject: Re: Jumping spiders

hi, nice to meet a malaysian guru of spider-martial-arts! biggrin.gif

as far as i know, we have two kinds of traditional spider-fightings in jpn.
in kantoh area (central jpn including tokyo), they usually use males of the jumping spider, Carrhotus xanthogramma.
that spider-fighting is called "honchi" in local dialect.
here is an excellent example footage (not by me).
http://videocast.yahoo.co.jp/video/detail/...230376151749500

in kyusyu and shikoku areas (southern jpn), they use females of the black & golden garden spider, Argiope amoena (orb-weaver of the family Araneidae).
a few years ago, the national geographic channel made a documentary titled "samurai spiders" featuring an annual tournament of that spider-fighting. (i have never watched it yet, though.)
here is official rules.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~hi2h-ikd/asjap...spiderfight.htm

looks like u have plenty of interesting vids.
i am gonna watch them all when i have time.
and i would like to make more vid clips of fighting spiders, too.

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> Do you have this in your country?
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Most of the time their legs got injured when trying to hold from getting push/flip/carry/ chg position by forced from their opponents.
Maybe sprained or terseliuh due to to strong attack force. After a long fierce fight, the spiders seems cant move properly or just stay still.. coz 2 exhausted n legs injured. Yeah.. i forgot to mention, Archilles back abdomen oso seems injured abit, can see it try to twist n turn its abdomen abit after tat day fight. sweat.gif

Yeah, fruit juice is best for FS. I fed my FS with mandarin oranges, water melon and papaya juice and the response is good tongue.gif . I've tried using normal plain water earlier but the FS doesnt seems want to drink.

Both spiders Archilles and Spartan are recovering well. Archilles as usual like to roam around its case.
Spartan seems still abit weak not much walking around but still good appetite, yesterday he managed to kill a medium houseflies for food. rclxms.gif

Your 6Legs eventho big but very disadvantage when pitted against BigHead. Too much risk leh..6Legs cant afford to lose anymore his legs n arm.
LowLand seems very aggressive..chops n fierce attack.
I see some of the fights is on top of paper.. I feel fight on top paper no so good la.. coz not much grip/def hold for ur FS. It better to fight on surface tat the FS can get a tight strong hold for its legs so it wont easily slip or get push.

Too bad ur BigGun died already.. blush.gif I think he sliped into the water case and drowned. FS don't like to get wet and get drowned easily.
Yea, clean water for FS oso important.. dirty water maybe higher risk for FS to get sick or die.

The japan fighting spider video seems boring . not exciting.. the other yellow spider seems better but no video.
I've email u a fighting spider pic chk it out in ur email. Got it from some photo website.
Tat spider looks like a tough fighter.

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RIP Biggun.


You may be in a better position to tell, but I'm not sure if Bighead has lost the edge. The losses he had was to a chop that is about the same size (or even slightly bigger) than him. I didn't think he's a very aggressive spider anyway, and chops are hard to beat...even with less than 8 legs.

The japanese spiders don't look very interesting. Ant spider, hantu kuning and long leg fights are more exciting than that.

F1: check out Mindstorm's youtube clips if you have time. They are impressive.
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Ya.. RIP BigGun.. too bad no chance for him to spar with Spartan. blush.gif

According to Mindstorm, BigHead mated with female spiders few times. I also think and its possible tat BigHead still exhausted after the mating activities. tongue.gif
Archilles also mated 3X, Spartan 1X before fight. drool.gif

Yeap, fight against chop spider is unfair if get cheap attack from behind/side. Chop spider fight without any fear even against bigger FS and it will fight with the
intention to kill/injured its opponent badly. ohmy.gif CHOP spider oso have alot of strength and doesnt get tired easily.

If a direct fight face to face against another fierce FS, its ok coz its able to lock the CHOP spider and counter back with alots CHOPS as well..
A good example is how Archilles do a tight lock when Spartan attack fiercely with few chops at the beginning.
If your FS is fierce and strong, it can defeat a CHOP spider in a direct fight. icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 22 2008, 07:08 PM)
RIP Biggun.
You may be in a better position to tell, but I'm not sure if Bighead has lost the edge.  The losses he had was to a chop that is about the same size (or even slightly bigger) than him.  I didn't think he's a very aggressive spider anyway, and chops are hard to beat...even with less than 8 legs.

The japanese spiders don't look very interesting.  Ant spider, hantu kuning and long leg fights are more exciting than that.

F1: check out Mindstorm's youtube clips if you have time.  They are impressive.
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guys, just a quick questions. i saw some of the spider-hunter here hold the spider using bare hand. does it bite? since they are fighting spiders after all. i saw these type of spiders once in my house and i freak out shocking.gif ok, maybe not just these type. all types of spiders freaked me out.
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*sigh.. this morning when i check on Archilles, i found it not moving and looks like dead already.. cry.gif Its arms and legs position all bend.
Its different from the other normal FS death. Normal FS if die, its back abdomen will shrink and no white web cover it at all.
I can see Archilles back abdomen bottom is all white and top part is also almost covered in white web string.
Its abdomen is still fat and doesnt shrink in size.. hmm.gif

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I noticed after the fight with Spartan, Archilles back abdomen seems injured. Can see it try to twist its abdomen left and right abit once awhile.
It also don't want to eat but suprisingly still active can roam around its case upside down.

I can not really confirm whether Archilles is dead or not, maybe its trying to mold and chg skin? Will keep it in its case for few days to observe. sweat.gif
Some spider moulding info
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ednieuw/Spiders/InfoNed/blood.html

Mindstorm can u confirm or share any knowlegde or experience u have on spider moulding? U got experience or c see any FS like in Archilles condition?

Spartan seems much weaker after the the fight compare to Archilles but still got good appetite.. still eat n drink alot. I see Spartan like getting bigger already compare to few days ago. Back abdomen is getting fatter coz eat alot of juicy flies. So far still ok.

Silverblue.. FS don't bite, sometimes can feel they rub the legs or teeth on my fingers skin. Maybe feel abit geli but no holes or tear on skin 1.
Other spiders i'm no sure... I saw few different spiders like Spider Besi n Spider Bandar where their size is much bigger and looks more scarier...
I'm more worried about Spider Besi ... its body abdomen top got a logo like "+" sign. Big Spider Besi got big teeth .. and it will kills other spiders n insects with its strong bite.

I'm only confident to hold FS on my finger, other spiders... better be careful la..

See.. Archilles on my finger. No bite1.
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QUOTE(silverblue @ Feb 24 2008, 12:49 AM)
guys, just a quick questions. i saw some of the spider-hunter here hold the spider using bare hand. does it bite? since they are fighting spiders after all. i saw these type of spiders once in my house and i freak out shocking.gif ok, maybe not just these type. all types of spiders freaked me out.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 23 2008, 08:46 PM)
*sigh.. this morning when i check on Archilles, i found it not moving and looks like dead already.. cry.gif Its arms and legs position all bend.
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Sorry man. Looks like he's left us. I've never seen a bloated stomach like that before. I wonder if it could have been due to the venom from the other spider. Probably got hurt in the abdomen and then died from poisoning.

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Ya, i oso think like tat.. Archilles stomach is covered with its web. Tats why look like abit bloated.
Its alwys look full type and don't shrink eventho not eaten anything much. I've released its female partner 2 days ago after lay eggs and only left Archilles alone in its case. Got put in life medium size flies n mosquitoes but he doesnt want to eat. Doesnt seem to drink the water i drip in also after the fight but still active moving around his case.

Archilles is trully a strong FS. Its among the best FS i've ever had.

Now i only have 1 FS which is Spartan. Its doing well, ate another small flies this morning.
Spartan look much bigger already.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 24 2008, 03:19 PM)
Sorry man. Looks like he's left us. I've never seen a bloated stomach like that before. I wonder if it could have been due to the venom from the other spider. Probably got hurt in the abdomen and then died from poisoning.
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Juz wondering, have you guy did any research that how frequent a FS will meet up with another FS and commit into fight in the wild? Comparing to the frequency of your own FS that gets into fight which is arranged?

I have this doubt after reading one of you guys reply that these captured FS must be arranged to fight so that when released, they do not lose the ability.

Also, normally when you guys met a FS in the wild, what are the chances to met one which is injured? Is it as high as the injury occurs from fight that are arranged?

Since this thread is quite new and especially myself, this is totally new to me. So i wish to know more instead of run into conclusion.
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If u r new and interested on FS.. maybe u can do some research by reading forums here or read the research papers which i've found from the net and posted in the forum before. The research paper have documented alot FS info. Try and see FS video posted by Mindstorm n me to understand how the FS fight. The videos posted mostly from good FS fight. You cant get this videos anywhere coz theres no video from the internet on FS fight previously. I bet u can only hear ppl play fighting spiders from mouth of c pics only...
In actual real life.. most of the normal fight lasted very short while only.

At places where FS habitat, theres are alwys more than 1 male and 1 female FS of coz.. If the places have alot of leaves, lotsa insects/food supplies, not too expose to hot sunlight..there will be quite alot of fighting spiders. You just need to try to look for its nest or its habitat place hard enough.
If the area is good place, there will be alot of FS and sometimes if u r lucky, u can see 2 male FS fighting direct in front of you eyes at its habitats.

U know why ppl call them FIGHTING spiders? Its because of its amazing fighting ability skills and FS can fight unlike other spiders.. just know how to kill only.

Frequency the FS fight in wild compare to the captured1?.
Nowdays less ppl catch fighting spiders to fight and its so difficult to find other people who have good fighting spiders to fight with. Even if got arrange fight also like once a month? Fight with other own caught FSs also like 1-3 days once if only can catch any FS.
Seldom people fight the spiders continuously coz the FS will be exhauted or injured.
The ones captures, its fight is normally arrange for similiar other FS which is about the same size or slightly bigger/smaller abit to have a fair fight.
The fight depends on its opponent, if the FS fight is just a short and light one, its possible to have few other rounds of fight.
If the fight is a fierce one and the FS injured, its put back in its case for rest. Feed with food n drinks for it to recover. Will only let it fight few days later when its active back. Basically its depend on how the owner take care of FS, the food, its place to live and how the fight is conducted.

In the wild at its habitat, FS have to fight with red ants tat try to invade its nest for dead insects, black ants, other species of spiders, and also its own same species for survival. Hot weather and heavy rain also not good for FS. Its the survival of the fittest. FS will build its nest at a safe place from its predator. Male FS have more risk compare to females FS, male FS alwys roam out of its nest to find food and female FS everyday. The female FS most of the time stay at its nest and wait for insects to passby or wait for strong male FS to mate. If the FS is injured in the wild, chances for it to survive is very little coz hard to move around to find food n water. It also unable to run away fast when predator comes.

When i try to search for FS, I do came across injured FS, 1-2 arms missing, 1-2 legs missing male FS.. small young FS get eaten by ants in its nest.. etcs.. Other species spider like Spider Besi also kill n eat FS.. i also got found some Spider Besi at FS habitats and its kinda scary if its big. This spiders is a killer.. it kills FS as part of its food. FS is different, most of the time for same FS species, they will only fight for territory, female n food. It hardly eat its own species unless if its really hungry.

Not all FS are excellent or fierce fighter. Only some are really fierce and can fight very well. Chance to catch a very big n fierce FS is not easy unless u are really determine to find one... like Mindstorm or me. Most of the FS fight normally just a short 1, just few secs.. coz the weaker FS will retreat n ran ..some even bfr the fight start afer face contact or judge opponnent arms fighting stance. FS able to judge its opponent size and strength base on its arms fighting position and its fierce fighting stance/dance. For the fierce big FS, they will engage the fight direct and will retreat immediately if sense it cant defeat its opponent. A good example here is like BigHead vs BigGuns or Archilles vs BigGuns.

FS will fight most of the time whenever they see each other just like fighting fish. Its just depend on whether to accept the fight n also how long
can they fight. If they see another male FS nearby its area, it will move closer and challenge it to a fight. Its their natural fighting instinct. By fighting also, it will makes FS stronger for survival and stands a better chance to mate with female FS eventho no proper research available on this belief.
Smaller ones or weaker one of coz will retreat or just fight short time n run away.

FS is a natural born fighter. They will not lose it, if it lose in a fight, it will become scared but after sometime it will be confident and start fighting again. Injury from fights whether at its habitat or arranged fight is the about same coz the fighting spiders will decide how it want to fight. If lose, the FS can run away under the leaf or jump away. Its more depends on the FS opponent it fights with. If fight against a big n fierce FS directly... the FS will be exhausted most of the time but will be able to recover fast if well taken care by its owner. Injury like broken arms, legs teeth and death do happen if both FS doesn't want to withraw from the fight but very seldom...unless u can find alot of fierce fighting spider to fight n always let them fight all the time. Normal FS fight are just to defeat its opponent only and NOT to kill or injured them badly. The CHOP FS are the one that can coz bad injury or death for FS most of the time if got attack by surprise.

For me, i feel its harder to find a strong or fierce FS to fight with for those captured one as compared to their fights at the wild against their own same species and also other predators at its habitat.

If u r not sure about what i've wrote here, u can go and try catch one or few FS n also try to look for people who have FS for arranged fight.
Try and see how many of ur FS and ur opponent FS are really good fighter that can really fight well.
Then maybe u can know better whether the chances for the FS to get injured in the wild or arranged fight is more or less.


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QUOTE(White Palace @ Feb 24 2008, 05:20 PM)
Juz wondering, have you guy did any research that how frequent a FS will meet up with another FS and commit into fight in the wild? Comparing to the frequency of your own FS that gets into fight which is arranged?

I have this doubt after reading one of you guys reply that these captured FS must be arranged to fight so that when released, they do not lose the ability.

Also, normally when you guys met a FS in the wild, what are the chances to met one which is injured? Is it as high as the injury occurs from fight that are arranged?

Since this thread is quite new and especially myself, this is totally new to me. So i wish to know more instead of run into conclusion.
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Here's latest Spartan pics.
Its getting bigger n more mature, his back abdomen oso turn metallic bronze/brown colour.

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Sad to hear Archilles gone. I think Archilles died because attack by another spider.... small tiny ones that sometimes roam about in the house. It is very small and can move very fast. Of cuz i'm not hundred percent sure but how can web be wrapped around its abdomen by himself? Never in my life have i come across this.... like X-files. But i do think some small spiders can be very deadly to other spiders/insects. And they can crawl through the openings in your container.

Most of the spiders i kept in my adult life, when they are going to die, I would know. Usually they stop eating and move slowly. They also seem to become blind and do not respond to an insect nearby. Usually in a few days then they would die.

We must remember FS are small creatures. And most small creatures esp insects/spiders don't live very long. Eg. fruit flies only live for about 45 days, bloodworms gnat only live for 3-5 days in adult life.
I am still not sure what is the normal life span of a FS but probably like you experienced, about 1 year for FS in adult stage.

Anyway try not to keep your spiders too near corners of cupboard/boxes...

When you said female you kept with Spartan laid eggs, it may not be Spartan's brood cuz you din really see them mate right?

WhitePalace... if you see the pics on the top of this page you can see my spider 6leg. When i found him, he already only has 6legs. So yes, injury of FS in the wild is pretty common. I also have one pic of a FS with 5 legs found in the wild. Plenty others i have seen with one arm less which i didnt bother to catch or show. I also have seen adult FS being eaten by other spiders although not so common. I also have seen half-bodied(abdomen gone) FS in a nest...dead of cuz. When we keep our spiders and fight them, lost of legs is very very rare. It is much easier to catch a FS with already legs gone than to see a fight that cuz them to lose a leg.

The truth is in the wild being eaten and eating others and fighting is actually common and normal. When i catch them to see them fight, yeah, on one hand you may say i cuz them to fight, on the other hand, by keeping them i may have saved it from being eaten by some other predator. Predators of a small spider like that is plentiful in the open. Can be cicak, small iguana, other spiders, wasps, preying mantis, ants(an army of big ants can rip a spider apart in no time) etc.


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Ya, Archillies has died. I've keep its body for about 2 days and finally decided to let it back at the place where i previously caught. cry.gif

There are no other spiders in Archilles case. Archilles case is inside another 2 plastic case which is surrounded by water. This mean there are two layers of water to prevent ants or other insects to go inside. Previously my FS got eaten by ants during my skol days, tats why i'm extra careful to protect my FS.

I've also released Archilles female partner coz i think too much mating might make Archilles weak. Previously i've kept Archilles with 2 female FS and Spartan with 1 female FS for about 1 month +.
I didnt see the FS mate but the female FS have laid eggs only recently after stay with the male FS about 1mth, and it should be from Archilles and Spartan.

There are no other small spiders in the case and i'm also surprise there are web on its abdomen. Its back abdomen is still intact and no burst sign.. from bottom can see its become white colour already, top also got some web covering it.

I also notice after the fight, Archilles stop eating n drinkin, doesnt pay much attention to the insect food but still active moving around its case. I also try test put Spartan in a see thru plastic case near to Archilles, both FS still show fierce fighting position and ready to fight. I didnt let both the FS fight, just wanted to see both the FS not kecut or scared.

Archilles fight with BigHead and Spartan are among the fierce FS fight i've ever seen.
I'll miss Archilles and remember it as one of my best FS.

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here's an interesting clip about selective breeding...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmkj5gq1cQU
i wanna achieve that with FS!!
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Nice muscular cow.. rclxms.gif

Caught a new average size male FS yesterday evening. Its colour also pale light green like Spartan and Archilles.
Caught it from big leaves plant. Also caught 2 more young males but then released them back.

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Dunno wat to name the new FS.. so just called it X.

Kinda thin tho...

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here's an interesting clip about selective breeding...
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Nice... time to orientate it ....with ur spartan smile.gif
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Kenot la.. X sure lose coz Spartan size so much bigger.
This morning after morning exercise found another average size male FS.
Caught it at the lily plants where i release Banglo, Pandan, Lily and some others male FS.
Not sure whether this is same FS tat i've released last time onot.. name it as Lily2.

X and Lily2 about same size.. but i think X is stronger la..coz got colour like Spartan and Archilles. tongue.gif
Better fight with ur average FS... dun want them to fight now coz later injured cant fight with ur FS leh.

Yea.. today i put a female FS inside Spartan case. He is more active already.. rclxms.gif

Ur BigHeads still active? Any new challenger for him to spar?


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Nice... time to orientate it ....with ur spartan smile.gif
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Added on February 26, 2008, 6:41 pmYou wanted to try breed excellent FS?
For commercial purpose or just want to do it for research? hmm.gif

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Bighead is past his prime. Worried about him cuz he no longer so active. I didnt fight him for many days now. This morning i let him see female...still excited. But didnt mate cuz female unwilling.

I wanna breed FS because i enjoy playing with them so much and want to preserve the good fighter genes. Everytime we catch a good fighter, we have one less in the wild to breed with other females in the wild. So if like that, slowly the wild will have less good fighters. As i mentioned before, I also want to do it for the challenge since i cant find any material where people have bred and raised jumping spiders. So it is more or less as a hobby. Don't we do what we find interesting? Also out of curiousity to know wheather FS fighting behaviour can be passed down. For plakat(short tail fighting fish) and many other fighting animals, it has shown to be possible. Since in my humble double storey terrace house, i have only enough space to breed small animals, so FS is a good choice...but honestly, even if i have big farm land, i would also try to breed FS...hehe. Commercial purpose? Dunno la... since u know so few people find them facinating. But for me, i like them alot and will keep on with playing them, even by myself. But of cuz, got more kaki more excitement. biggrin.gif

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Chops(male or female) are fighting spiders that do not display the usual combative stance commonly seen when faced with an opponent. They launch a grappling attack almost instantly upon contact, often pouncing from a distance at the enemy. They are known to be difficult to breed because they attack the opposite sex too. So can they mate?

Ok..that's wat i wrote on youtube. hehe...here's the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic3PkoLOPC8

Comments: Nah.. i didnt get the chops to mate. But from the clip you can see chops still possess the sexual drive. They do seem less "skilled" at trying to mate. Compare to normal males, they seem to "quiver" less and seem to be less determined/active in trying to mate than the normal male. It is important to place the chop and partner under bright light if you try to mate them. As we have previously encountered, under dim lighting, chops won't hesitate to attack whatever is moving which include the opposite sex.

Another goal of mine for the FS! To mate a chop and to see wheather the next generation are also chop!

Right now we think that chop is either a disease or learned behaviour. Whatever it is, it is a force to be reckon with in the world of FS.

Here's an article i wrote about chops way back last year on 19/03/07.

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SHOCKING...

The following footages are meant only for hardcore FS players.

From what you are about to see, I find it hard to think that that is lowland. I remember lowland as not very aggressive and certainly not strong. But here we find a different force.

Before we look into the dark side of FS, we go through some history first...
These are some past fights of lowland when i first caught him and before i gave him to viper. I didn't post the clips cuz they're just short fights.

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1) Lowland(won) vs topman
2) Bigguns vs Lowland(lost) -round 1
3) Bigguns vs Lowland(lost) -round 2
4) Bigleave vs Lowland(lost)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8XKgOHzoo8
Comments : The last clip show that lowland lose to bigleave only very short fight.

Here is the first shocking video today. Lowland vs bigleave. A very fast fight. You would think bigleave won...but if you watch it in slow motion or you repeatly watch it, you'll see the lighting speed of lowland and unbelievable tactic it uses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCl9Y1vViNs

Because of this fight, i think that this may not be lowland and the spiders were not swapped when viper and i fight Lowland and Noname.
Here's the controversial clip as i mentioned before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_1DGXuRDyo
Noname(left) actually moves backwards(when it is not chop) when it "chap ma bo". But the pastclips above shows that lowland actually moves forward when it "chap ma bo".

This is the head pattern of lowland(left) in one of its pastfights(3)
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Here is "lowland" today
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Of cuz you may say head pattern may darken, but certainly not lighten as we can see lowland from past fight actually has 2 streaks running from black half(front) of head to abdomen whereas the "lowland" i'm holding now has no lines touching the abdomen. Again, because of this I think this is actually Noname.

But now I renamed him as Jack... Jack the ripper.

Why? The second SHOCKING video will tell you why... Jack vs 6leg... as per your request, Mangrovejumper....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFmmAnYaKHI

And the aftermath..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd-jmq7RuGI

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Oman.. tats very aggressive and its confirm a fierce CHOP spider!! It doesnt want to fight long but wanted to eat/kill the opponent!
Bite throught its opponent abdomen till bleed.. shocking.gif A fearsome fighter.. scary sweat.gif Its opponent are totally defendless against the strong bite attack!

Its smaller abit than BigLeaves and much smaller than 6Legs rite?
I still feel 6Legs shouldn't fight withother fierce FS.. very disadvantage. From the fight i can see it lost balance when kena chop attack.
It also cant lock its opponent properly coz only got 1 arm leh...
Hope 6Legs can recover from tat fight.

After i got the LowLand from u, i've fight it against Banglo, Lily + other FS ,..and after few days i notice tat their fight is equally match.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348/+120.

U got view back the video of Noname vs LowLand in video frame mode?
I see LowLand actually won the match and still thinks its LowLand.. when i fight it with my other previous FS, i can see LowLand is a good fighter and can fight continuously with few FS one after another 1. Eventho after sometime LowLand lost, but it still not Kecut easily and give good fight back and won back. Only after lose to Archilles, LowLand seem to kecut abit but recover quite fast.

FS fighting skill changes from time to time. Some FS i keep also turn out to be very aggressive and fierce.

Ur FS Jack... is it same size like BRO1, TopMan and KelapaSawit?
From the video, Jack looks quite big also. So Jack now is No. 1-2 ady?

The new FS i caught X and Lily2 i chk again this morning seems quite big abit ady..maybe fat coz yesterday fed them with some small leaf flies.. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 26 2008, 01:11 PM)
Thanks for the clips, we finally have video documentation of chop vs chop fights (i.e. pushing is for sissies). Also thanks for blowing on the spiders to save 6leg.

If you can get a chop male to mate, it will be a first. They seem to be more kecut than usual and they'll try to bite the female instead of trying to get on top.

Noname/Jack is really, really fast. I wonder if it's a fighting technique to jump over his opponent to bite the abdomen, or just plain luck. Sometimes chops are so out of control that I don't think they know where they're going when they jump. I do know that chops do get hurt fighting against non chops too, although it's uncommon.

I hope Bigleave and 6leg can recover. You may need to check up on them more often the next few days and have plenty of fresh water.

You can certainly try Jack with the female chop or with Bighead, but you may have to be quick to intervene if one of them taps out.

Viper, as you can see, even with a head to head match, which is as fair as it can get, non chop FS are still at a disadvantage against the chop FS. I think the non chops have a better chance in the fight if they can withstand the initial attack, which most of them cannot.

Interestingly chops don't behave like that when warding off other species of jumping spiders. They only chop their own kind.

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Someone mentioned this before - about spider fighting being cruel, i do not totally agree with him, but i do think that letting 6 legs fight IS CRUEL.
My 2 cents.
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wow seeing these spiders brings back memories when i was young. we would keep these spiders in match box and when end of class we let them fight hahha.

all i know is size does not always matter. my Big spider once lost to a tiny spider. haha then i tot it was old so i let it go behind my house forest
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Ya.. i do agree CHOP have advantage if fight a normal FS in a head on match bcoz of its fierce bite attack n determination to kill but there are still possibility a CHOP spider also can be defeated by other fierce and strong normal FS.

I've VS my friend's CHOP spider in my skool days and my normal FS also can give the CHOP spider a good long fight before lost....
Alot of arm lock, pushing and bitting...a normal fierce FS wont retreat easily even when facing a CHOP FS.
It will wack the CHOP back and want to win the fight .. . Some normal fierce FS also will fight to death in a long fierce fight.

Normal Fierce FS also can launch strong and powerful chop attacks during fight also.
BigHead vs Archilles.
Archilles vs Spartan.

Both FS chop attacks more about +/- 10 times and still stand fight without retreat!

Video where Chop lost to normal FS.

Romeo vs smallchop...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTA9MwqeFUY

A CHOP FS also same like a normal FS, the only different is its fighting techniques... very very fierce fighter.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 27 2008, 05:09 PM)
Viper, as you can see, even with a head to head match, which is as fair as it can get, non chop FS are still at a disadvantage against the chop FS. I think the non chops have a better chance in the fight if they can withstand the initial attack, which most of them cannot.

Interestingly chops don't behave like that when warding off other species of jumping spiders. They only chop their own kind.
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Jack size is about bro1 size, maybe slightly bigger. Yes smaller than bigleave and much smaller than 6leg. He is more compact, arms thicker...
Kelapasawit actually quite small...maybe kecut already...

I reviewed the Noname vs Lowland fight many times. What happened is that Noname (left) chopped first and send Lowland back, then Lowland counter chop and then push Noname towards the middle of the leaf. Lowland's back is then towards the edge of the leaf. Then Noname chop back again and Lowland scurried backwards towards the edge of the leaf and went under first followed by Noname going after it...
After that we just can see one spider facing left side... and the other one dropped

Looks like the last part is that lowland was running away backwards...and dropped after it went under...
I also watch my camcord frame by frame...

I also remember Lowland as more lanky, but Jack is very compact and tough.

Also, circumstantial evidence is that I did not get any other good fighters/chops from the place i got lowland.
Bigleaf, Thickarms(let go already), and several smaller males all not good fighters.
But from where i got Noname, the place is where 6leg, smallchop originated. I also caught a very healthy chop there last year.

Ok, the bad news...
When i came home yesterday nite, 6leg.... sad.gif
I actually could not believe my eyes when Jack treated 6leg like a fly!
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Bigleaf is in bad shape but recovering. He looks shrunken and thirsty but ate a big Drosophila today.

As of today, Jack has not lost a battle. Should i test him against Bighead?

yeah, against a normal tough fighter like Spartan, it is hard to say a chop(if same size) can win...
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Someone mentioned this before - about spider fighting being cruel, i do not totally agree with him, but i do think that letting 6 legs fight IS CRUEL.
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You have a fair argument here. I agree that rematch would be cruel, since we already know the result. However if you look at the other clips involving 6leg (specifically clips against Bighead) you'll see that he can hold his own in a fight against a normal spider. 6leg is a chop, he will try to eat smaller males too if he has a chance. It's also a fair assumption that he was involved in something very violent before he was caught that caused him to lose 2 of his legs. The difference is, it wasn't captured on video to be shared with the world and commented on.

Mindstorm has the last say, but retiring 6leg may not be a bad idea assuming that he recovers. BTW, he has certainly helped show what a "chop" is. Try explaining what it is to a passerby without using the video clip. You'll find that it's darn near impossible.

We're well aware of our impact on Thiania Bhamoensis spiders. We have the desire to share our passion and as a result people that have never seen fighting spiders can now gain an appreciation for them. Don't you think that these video clips are educational? How many times have you heard someone say they will smash a spider to a pulp if they ever see one near them? If we can change 1 person's opinion here, we'll undoubtedly spare countless spiders' lives.

I know that we're not doing the fighting spiders any justice by the rampant development that's occuring in their habitat to the point that they may be scarce or even gone by the time our children are adults. And if that happens, at least we'll have these everlasting video clips to pass on.


Added on February 28, 2008, 1:25 am
QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 27 2008, 09:28 AM)
Ok, the bad news...

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Sorry to hear. You knew it right after the fight. I guess the lesson learned is never fight a less than full strength spider with a chop.

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Wa.. 6Leg gone liao.
Mindstorm u let them fight again at nite or put in same case? Sure die la...injured badly from fight with BigHead and Jack earlier. sweat.gif

Eventho 6Leg is big chop, i dun think its a fierce or strong fighter from the video u posted earlier. 6Leg cant last long in fierce fight due to its physical disadvantage..
Don't think it can hold a strong push and balance properly if got chop fiercely by its opponent. If fight with a normal strong FS i feel 6Legs will lose most of the time also. If fight with fierce chop.. i think no chance to win at all.

I feel its better to fight CHOP with CHOP but same size and no handicap1..

Today not working. Caught another medium size FS from the same place i caught Archilles and Spartan. Name it as X2.
Also caught a small male FS named it as Tiny2.

Heres the video of their fight.
Short fight only but got some chops. No FS injured or dead. rclxms.gif

X vs X2. (X won)
X chop 2X, X2 chop 1 time
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/CDCB2F795A412FCC

X2 vs Lily2 (Lily2 won)
Lily2 chop 1X. M
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/ED4D5E3E53FA2459


Here got some of other spiders/insects i encountered during my FS hunt. tongue.gif

Small grasshopper, green spider
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Spider Besi
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Spider Hantu/Pisang. This one is a scary spider. Dun play play.. brows.gif
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Spartan seems like getting old already..not so fierce. Put it to fight with Tiny2 this morning.. laugh.gif No worry..
Tiny2 is kecut type.. it will ran away when saw Spartan. Spartan is not a CHOP spider, it wont jump n kill Tiny2. laugh.gif

I put Tiny there just to see whether Spartan can put up fierce fighting stance only. Spartan saw Tiny but doesnt see it as a threat so didn't challenge it
to a fight.

Heres the pic, see the size difference. tongue.gif

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Will let go Tiny2 later this evening.

Only keep Spartan, X, X2 and LILY2.

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Well... it seems like the 'chop' spiders you guys are talking about are actually cannibalistic spiders... or spiders who have learnt to use their venom and bite their own kind. Noticed that after every successful 'chop' the victim does not move - paralysed by venom perhaps?
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Not sure if you guys have read this...


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HOLY *%$#!! DAMN, JACK DID IT AGAIN! shocking.gif

This is THE MOST DANGEROUS FS i have seen in MY life and i tell you, i have seen plenty.

My apologies to you, Mangrove Jumper, but this encounter(it's not even a fight... it's more like feeding time) is as fair as fair can be. Bighead was charging forward. Don't think it is luck again man with this second time round.... horrific deadly technique.

Jack(right) vs Bighead(left)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NneYbMGFHBg
Comments: A split second encounter. If you call it a fight , then its a truly truly short fight, but a truly truly deadly one...

The aftermath...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrpYYbe_bw

I do think Bighead will live through this... hopefully...
This will be his last fight....

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Viper: Of course I did NOT let them fight again. 6leg was not moving when i check on him after coming home. Just before i left for work(about 1/2 hour after the fight), I saw there was a bit of liquid in his case where he was crouching...he was still bleeding! I gave it water and hoped for the best...nothing i could do more....

BTW - should we have Spartan vs Jack?
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Chops like i said before in my article are really barbaric and dirty fighters.

Here's another example...

Smallchop(bottom) vs Bro1(top)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGVXpuX3uuA

Notice how small chop target the arm...almost severing it.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 27 2008, 06:00 PM)
Someone mentioned this before - about spider fighting being cruel, i do not totally agree with him, but i do think that letting 6 legs fight IS CRUEL.
My 2 cents.
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u tink tat a 6leg spider wont fight in the wild??wat do u mean by cruel??war cruel??u hit mosquito also cruel la..it's jz trying to survive by drinking blood jek..u dun eat meat la...some animal gotta die jz for u stomach ler... vmad.gif

btw gor,im coming bck tmr...u taking d car?? unsure.gif


Added on February 28, 2008, 8:40 pmoh..my bro(TS) caught a DEMON BUTT BITING spider... shocking.gif
it attacks by bitting the opponents butt... doh.gif
cheater.. shakehead.gif

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walao....Geng sial.....Going to be a crazy fight within JACK and SPARTAN!
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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 28 2008, 08:36 PM)
u tink tat a 6leg spider wont fight in the wild??wat do u mean by cruel??war cruel??u hit mosquito also cruel la..it's jz trying to survive by drinking blood jek..u dun eat meat la...some animal gotta die jz for u stomach ler... vmad.gif

btw gor,im coming bck tmr...u taking d car?? unsure.gif


Added on February 28, 2008, 8:40 pmoh..my bro(TS) caught a DEMON BUTT BITING spider... shocking.gif
it attacks by bitting the opponents butt... doh.gif
cheater.. shakehead.gif
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That is the excuse you give all the time isn't it? There is something called a necessary evil, no? Whereas by pitting a 6 legged spider against an able bodied one is not. You are doing it for your own enjoyment. Who are you to say that in the wild it would not 'kecut' and flee. Even if it were to fight and die, again it would be to defend its territory, NOT MERELY for your enjoyment.

Again, i have not condemned you when you pit two equal opponents in a fight, but for me letting 6legs fight is crosses the very fine line.

Since you're on to this, spider fighting (although of a different variety) is listed as a blood sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport#L...of_blood_sports


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Dang!.. Jack and Small chop both are trying to kill its opponent not fighting!.
They just sprang to attack abit then ran away when its opponent fight back.
From the video, Jack lost the fight and ran away... does it injured?

Actually after reading ur posting earlier tat u want to try fight Jack with BigHead, i should have tell u not to let BigHead fight him*sigh.. instead I just says its better to fight CHOP with CHOP FS. Should have let u know direct.. sweat.gif

I've never saw a chop tat aim bite other FS back abdomen until i saw ur video .. vs BigLeaf & 6Legs. and i got the feeling Jack most likely will attck BigHead using same tactic oso if u decided to let them fight.

The chop i saw bfr either bite head or its opponent arms in a direct face to face fight. It wil also show fighting stance bfr fight when facing its opponent but fight with more chops than arm pushing. The way Jack fight is too dangerous for other normal FS.

I saw Jack vs 6Legs pic u posted earlier and u wrote .

"Ok, the bad news...
When i came home yesterday nite, 6leg.... sad.gif
I actually could not believe my eyes when Jack treated 6leg like a fly!"

Tats why i tot u let them fight again.

Hope BigHead can recover well.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 28 2008, 06:01 PM)
HOLY *%$#!! DAMN, JACK DID IT AGAIN! shocking.gif 

This is THE MOST DANGEROUS FS i have seen in MY life and i tell you, i have seen plenty.

My apologies to you, Mangrove Jumper, but this encounter(it's not even a fight... it's more like feeding time) is as fair as fair can be. Bighead was charging forward. Don't think it is luck again man with this second time round.... horrific deadly technique.

Jack(right) vs Bighead(left)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NneYbMGFHBg
Comments: A split second encounter. If you call it a fight , then its a truly truly short fight, but a truly truly deadly one...

The aftermath...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrpYYbe_bw

I do think Bighead will live through this... hopefully...
This will be his last fight....

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Viper: Of course I did NOT let them fight again. 6leg was not moving when i check on him after coming home. Just before i left for work(about 1/2 hour after the fight), I saw there was a bit of liquid in his case where he was crouching...he was still bleeding! I gave it water and hoped for the best...nothing i could do more....

BTW - should we have Spartan vs Jack?
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 28 2008, 08:49 PM)
That is the excuse you give all the time isn't it? There is something called a necessary evil, no? Whereas by pitting a 6 legged spider against an able bodied one is not. You are doing it for your own enjoyment. Who are you to say that in the wild it would not 'kecut' and flee. Even if it were to fight and die, again it would be to defend its territory, NOT MERELY for your enjoyment.

Again, i have not condemned you when you pit two equal opponents in a fight, but for me letting 6legs fight is crosses the very fine line.

Since you're on to this, spider fighting (although of a different variety) is listed as a blood sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport#L...of_blood_sports
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no wor,it's an statement giving to u ppl who u urself dun tink tat u are cruel jek.. whistling.gif
gor,he said ur spider fighting is a BLOOD SPORT!! shocking.gif
eh,if u put 2spiders togather..if 1 dun wanna fight still it'll run 1 okay??u nv see b4 izzit?? whistling.gif
nv see b4 then dun say la.. rolleyes.gif
got alot of cruel things also u do merely for ur enjoyment 1... rolleyes.gif

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I think wat he mean here is its not a fair fight for 6Legs vs Jack and shouldnt let the spider fight.
He have no problem if both FS is not handicap.

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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 28 2008, 09:27 PM)
no wor,it's an statement giving to u ppl who u urself dun tink tat u are cruel jek.. whistling.gif
gor,he said ur spider fighting is a BLOOD SPORT!!  shocking.gif
eh,if u put 2spiders togather..if 1 dun wanna fight still it'll run 1 okay??u nv see b4 izzit?? whistling.gif
nv see b4 then dun say la.. rolleyes.gif
got alot of cruel things also u do merely for ur enjoyment 1... rolleyes.gif
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Exactly. Thanks viper88.
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Aiyah, viper, I put slow motion also you cannot see what happened in JackvsBighead encounter?

When the fight was over, I also thought Bighead won with a bit of scruffle and it was Bighead which was left standing on the stage. I thought nothing much happened. The reason is because it happened at such amazing speed. But NO, it was Jack that was left standing where Bighead stood and facing the direction that Bighead faced! When I saw the spider left on the stage wiping its fangs on the floor of the stage(white flat cardboard) and the blood stains it left behind, I GASPED! I looked closely and immediately knew Bighead is on the floor while Jack is left blowing the smoke from his gun.

Here i show frame by frame. I marked in the pictures reddot as Jack and yellow dot as Bighead.
(If you right click and click [save target as] for all this pics and save in one folder, then click View>Filmstrip you can clearly see what happened by typing arrow right)

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Frame1: Bighead left, Jack right
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Frame2: Jack jumped over Bighead to attack its abdomen tip. It happened so fast that my camera cannot capture the time it spend in the air although my camcord frame rate is 24 frames per second!
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Frame3 and 4: With Jack riding on Bighead and biting its abdomen tip, Bighead tries to arch its back to bite Jack.
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Frame5: This is the pivotal moment where jack was swung round(see arrow) ...
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Frame6: ...and landed on its back in this frame. From here to frame 14, Jack can be seen on his back with Bighead
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Frame15: Frame14 and 15 shows Bighead flipping forward towards the edge of the stage. While in this frame (15 ) and the next you can see Jack also pushing himself back upright.
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Frame17: However here you can see that because Jack fangs is still hooked to Bighead and Bighead is actually in its way should he comes upright, it loses balance and swings towards the left still being upside down.
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Frame19: Bighead desperately trying to escape Jack's deadly grip.
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Frame20: As Bighead drops, Jack amazingly let go to climb back onto the stage surface.
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All in all 24 frames... meaning ONE second!

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Mindstorm: The era of chops has begun again.

QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 28 2008, 05:49 AM)
Again, i have not condemned you when you pit two equal opponents in a fight, but for me letting 6legs fight is crosses the very fine line.

Since you're on to this, spider fighting (although of a different variety) is listed as a blood sport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_sport#L...of_blood_sports
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The .pdf article has been referenced earlier. No where in it talks about the chop behaviour though.

We know this:
1. The chop or cannibalistic trait is not something that is inherited. Fighting spiders are not born with it and do not exhibit it when young. Only a very small percentage of adult spiders ever show it.

2. It is somehow related to the spider's mental ability to function. They are not able to mate (at least from our attempts so far) and they may not look like a healthy spider when walking around (i.e. walk in interval hitches). They do not lose their fierceness like the normal spiders do which implies they have some form of amnesia.

The thinking is that it's a learned behavior or a disease of madness. Perhaps there's a rabies-type virus that hasn't been isolated from these spiders yet, who knows. How it's learned is something we haven't been able to figure out.

Btw chop fighting spiders are not the only spiders that fight like that. Check this out (thanks, mindstorm).

External link: Big spider star female fight (Sorry I couldn't get the embed feature to work)
Jumping at the opponent is actually quite common among other jumping spiders that are not T. bhamoensis. They are not widely publicized because they are not as common/easily acquired as fighting spiders nor are they easily controllable by hand. They do not dance around like normal fighting spiders, so that may also contribute to the disinterest among spider enthusiasts. But they do exactly what chops do.

I believe it's as much about science as it is about entertainment and publicity. You cannot find out more about spiders without intruding into their lifestyles. We've covered fighting, mating, breeding, habitat, diet, predators, even moulting in this thread. I hope you have learned something about these spiders too.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 28 2008, 08:55 PM)

"Ok, the bad news...
When i came home yesterday nite, 6leg.... sad.gif
I actually could not believe my eyes when Jack treated 6leg like a fly!"

Tats why i tot u let them fight again.

Hope BigHead can recover well.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 29 2008, 03:28 AM)

Btw chop fighting spiders are not the only spiders that fight like that.  Check this out (thanks, mindstorm).

External link: Big spider star female fight (Sorry I couldn't get the embed feature to work)
Jumping at the opponent is actually quite common among other jumping spiders that are not T. bhamoensis.  They are not widely publicized because they are not as common/easily acquired as fighting spiders nor are they easily controllable by hand.  They do not dance around like normal fighting spiders, so that may also contribute to the disinterest among spider enthusiasts.  But they do exactly what chops do.
nice one, Dan!
Still remember this clip man...blazing fast.
Did you see the pic viper post as "spider besi" in page 11, post# 216? Do you think that is "big spider star" which we call it? Looks like it...
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Wa.. i didnt expect BigHead will lose. I thought the fight end up like Bigleave. Bigleave ran away also?
Jack didn't do any arm pushing at all but just jump attack BigHead abdomen. BigHead unable to lock JAck at all!
The attack is too fast!! I didn't see closely at the slow motion video tongue.gif
Good thing u have ur camcorder.. can see more clearer.

Jack has become a full chop already,i think. Previously the video i saw, Jack still do some arm pushing awhile before do a strong chop at its opponent face/head. Its opponent also not injured at abdomen coz just got chop at the head/face only. FS face/head are the hardest and not easily get dmg/injured. Normal FS chop attack at other FS teeth or arms...just like in Spartan vs Pandan fight.

Spider Besi also do chop attack to kill other spider at abdomen.
I think ur Jack FS also become like Spider Besi already... it dont want to fight but just want to kill/eat.

The leaf u put in Jack case, is it dried leaf?
Wat i know, if put dry leaf for the spider, kept alwys in dark place and with little water or food, there are chances the FS become more aggressive/chop.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 29 2008, 01:44 AM)
Aiyah, viper, I put slow motion also you cannot see what happened in JackvsBighead encounter?

When the fight was over, I also thought Bighead won with a bit of scruffle and it was Bighead which was left standing on the stage. I thought nothing much happened. The reason is because it happened at such amazing speed. But NO, it was Jack that was left standing where Bighead stood and facing the direction that Bighead faced! When I saw the spider left on the stage wiping its fangs on the floor of the stage(white flat cupboard) and the blood stains it left behind, I GASPED! I looked closely and immediately knew Bighead is on the floor while Jack is left blowing the smoke from his gun.

Here i show frame by frame. I marked in the pictures reddot as Jack and yellow dot as Bighead.
(If you right click and click [save target as] for all this pics and save in one folder, then click View>Filmstrip you can clearly see what happened by typing arrow right)

All in all 24 frames... meaning ONE second!
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'Chop' spiders = hungry spiders hmm.gif

Seems that it is a learnt behaviour - that little fella seems to have picked on to the fact that if you jump and bit onto another spiders abdomen as hard as you can, your venom will do the rest...
Just curious, is this motion the same as when they hunt gnats and houseflies?

Talking of jumping, had a friend in Melbourne who had to evacuate the house on account of an Australian Funnel web spider paying them a visit.
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Normally FS will only ONLY chop/kill at other insects for food. Its also do it 4 survival instinct if against any danger, kill the enemy bfr the enemy kill them.
If vs other FS it will not treat it as food and wack its abdomen like wat Jack did!!

CHOP displayed here by Jack is same like killing houseflies as its food.

I think Jack already converted to a normal spider like Spider Besi tat only hunts/kill for food and dont fight anymore.


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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 29 2008, 11:33 AM)
'Chop' spiders = hungry spiders hmm.gif

Seems that it is a learnt behaviour - that little fella seems to have picked on to the fact that if you jump and bit onto another spiders abdomen as hard as you can, your venom will do the rest...
Just curious, is this motion the same as when they hunt gnats and houseflies?

Talking of jumping, had a friend in Melbourne who had to evacuate the house on account of an Australian Funnel web spider paying them a visit.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 25 2008, 12:07 AM)
If u r new and interested on FS.. maybe u can do some research by reading forums here or read the research papers which i've found from the net and posted in the forum before. The research paper have documented alot FS info. Try and see FS video posted by Mindstorm n me to understand how the FS fight. The videos posted mostly from good FS fight. You cant get this videos anywhere coz theres no video from the internet on FS fight previously. I bet u can only hear ppl play fighting spiders from mouth of c pics only...
In actual real life.. most of the normal fight lasted very short while only.

At places where FS habitat, theres are alwys more than 1 male and 1 female FS of coz.. If the places have alot of leaves, lotsa insects/food supplies, not too expose to hot sunlight..there will be quite alot of fighting spiders. You just need to try to look for its nest or its habitat place hard enough.
If the area is good place, there will be alot of FS and sometimes if u r lucky, u can see 2 male FS fighting direct in front of you eyes at its habitats.

U know why ppl call them FIGHTING spiders? Its because of its amazing fighting ability skills and FS can fight unlike other spiders.. just know how to kill only.

Frequency the FS fight in wild compare to the captured1?. 
Nowdays less ppl catch fighting spiders to fight and its so difficult to find other people who have good fighting spiders to fight with. Even if got arrange fight also like once a month? Fight with other own caught FSs also like 1-3 days once if only can catch any FS. 
Seldom people fight the spiders continuously coz the FS will be exhauted or injured. 
The ones captures, its fight is normally arrange for similiar other FS which is about the same size or slightly bigger/smaller abit to have a fair fight.
The fight depends on its opponent, if the FS fight is just a short and light one, its possible to have few other rounds of fight.
If the fight is a fierce one and the FS injured, its put back in its case for rest. Feed  with food n drinks for it to recover. Will only let it fight few days later when its active back.  Basically its depend on how the owner take care of FS, the food, its place to live and how the fight is conducted.

In the wild at its habitat, FS have to fight with red ants tat try to invade its nest for dead insects, black ants, other species of spiders, and also its own same species for survival. Hot weather and heavy rain also not good for FS. Its the survival of the fittest. FS will build its nest at a safe place from its predator. Male FS have more risk compare to females FS, male FS alwys roam out of its nest to find food and female FS everyday. The female FS most of the time stay at its nest and wait for insects to passby or wait for strong male FS to mate. If the FS is injured in the wild, chances for it to survive is very little coz hard to move around to find food n water. It also unable to run away fast when predator comes.

When i try to search for FS, I do came across injured FS, 1-2 arms missing, 1-2 legs missing male FS.. small young FS get eaten by ants in its nest.. etcs.. Other species spider like Spider Besi also kill n eat FS..  i also got found some Spider Besi at FS habitats and its kinda scary if its big. This spiders is a killer.. it kills FS as part of its food. FS is different, most of the time for same FS species, they will only fight for territory, female n food. It hardly eat its own species unless if its really hungry.

Not all FS are excellent or fierce fighter. Only some are really fierce and can fight very well. Chance to catch a very big n fierce FS is not easy unless u are really determine to find one... like Mindstorm or me. Most of the FS fight normally just a short 1, just few secs.. coz the weaker FS will retreat n ran ..some even bfr the fight start afer face contact or judge opponnent arms fighting stance. FS able to judge its opponent size and strength base on its arms fighting position and its fierce fighting stance/dance. For the fierce big FS, they will engage the fight direct and will retreat immediately if sense it cant defeat its opponent. A good example here is like BigHead vs BigGuns or Archilles vs BigGuns.

FS will fight most of the time whenever they see each other just like fighting fish. Its just depend on whether to accept the fight n also how long
can they fight. If they see another male FS nearby its area, it will move closer and challenge it to a fight. Its their natural fighting instinct. By fighting also, it will makes FS stronger  for survival and stands a better chance to mate with female FS eventho no proper research available on this belief.
Smaller ones or weaker one of coz will retreat or just fight short time n run away. 

FS is a natural born fighter. They will not lose it, if it lose in a fight, it will become scared but after sometime it will be confident and start fighting again.  Injury from fights whether at its habitat or arranged fight is the about same coz the fighting spiders will decide how it want to fight. If lose, the FS can run away under the leaf or jump away. Its more depends on the FS opponent it fights with.  If fight against a big n fierce FS directly... the FS will be exhausted most of the time but will be able to recover fast if well taken care by its owner. Injury like broken arms, legs teeth and  death do happen if both FS doesn't want to withraw from the fight but very seldom...unless u can find alot of fierce fighting spider to fight n always let them fight all the time. Normal FS fight are just to defeat its opponent only and NOT to kill or injured them badly. The CHOP FS are the one that can coz bad injury or death for FS most of the time if got attack by surprise.   

For me, i feel its harder to find a strong or fierce FS to fight with for those captured one as compared to their fights at the wild against their own same species and also other predators at its habitat. 

If u r not sure about what i've wrote here, u can go and try catch one or few FS n also try to look for people who have FS for arranged fight.
Try and see how many of ur FS and ur opponent FS are really good fighter that can really fight well.
Then maybe u can know better whether the chances for the FS to get injured in the wild or arranged fight is more or less.
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Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate your effort and had given it a good read.

Very informative for those who don't know that much about fighting spiders. I guess, perhaps you can post this detailed info up @ the 1st post, so that those who are new and enter this thread, will get to know the logic behind first before giving further comments?

Else, you might need to answer again and again tongue.gif
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You are welcome. Nowdays not many people know or play FS already. All the young boys and girls play with toys or computer games.
Those days, in small town the chinese small kids boy and even girls also go catch FS. The boy who got the strongest FS will get title.. Spider King and for girl, they got title as Spider Queen/Princess. There are even FS matches between the boy and girls to see who have the best FS. rclxms.gif
FS matches for males FS and females FS also got. tongue.gif.

I'm not the TS, u have ask TS to post at 1st page the FS info i've wrote earlier.

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QUOTE(White Palace @ Feb 29 2008, 12:29 PM)
Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate your effort and had given it a good read.

Very informative for those who don't know that much about fighting spiders. I guess, perhaps you can post this detailed info up @ the 1st post, so that those who are new and enter this thread, will get to know the logic behind first before giving further comments?

Else, you might need to answer again and again tongue.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 28 2008, 08:55 PM)
Dang!.. Jack and Small chop both are trying to kill its opponent not fighting!.

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Heh... my sis don't like my demon butt biting spider very much either. She ask me wheather she can swat it. doh.gif

To me, chops are just using another way of fighting instead of going head-on with pushing. Basically in head-on fights usually the spider with more strength and endurance will win. Manoveuring techniques(Spartan is a perfect example) is also important but when the arms are lock, it's to a large degree strength vs strength. If a small guy would to fight a big guy, going head-on would be the most stupid thing to do. It's like in Dota, if you use a intelligent/melee hero, you're not going to fight face-to-face with a strength hero. Sure mati.

Another thing we can see is that the danger of a chop spider is not just in its attacking but also in the very start of its encounter with the opponent. Very often, the chop either show little display or just widen or lift its forelegs/arms. If you see a kecut spider, it also lift its arms when it sees another spider, and then it runs. Chops seems to imitate that but instead of running it walks SLOWLY forward. This ability to trick its opponent by holding an unassuming position just before striking with lighting speed is also a key to their successful style.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Feb 29 2008, 10:36 AM)
Wa.. i didnt expect BigHead will lose. I thought the fight end up like Bigleave. Bigleave ran away also?

The leaf u put in Jack case, is it dried leaf?
Wat i know, if put dry leaf for the spider, kept alwys in dark place and with little water or food, there are chances the FS become more aggressive/chop.
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Yes, Bigleaf also ran away. The one left standing there is also Jack..again taking the same position of its opponent!
If you interested, the frames to that fight is in this zip file... 25 frames...also about 1 second. Jack is right and Bigleaf is left.

No, i no longer keep my spiders with leaves... laugh.gif

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Here's Bighead today... still so photogenic.
Notice the dried up crust on its wound.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 1 2008, 12:45 AM)
Here's Bighead today... still so photogenic. 
Notice the dried up crust on its wound.
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bighead bighead i like bighead!! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

i dun like the cheater... shakehead.gif butt biting cheater demon...

can i smack it?? drool.gif
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I think Spartan is also dead already. Yesterday after i reached home, i saw Spartan standing upside down at its case not moving. When look closer, i can see its bottom back abdomen already turn white. After i open the case, Spartan abdomen from bottom view also already become white.
Theres no other spider/ insects inside the case same condition like wat Archillies last time. The only differents is Spartan is still upside down stick on the case and its arms and bend not bend in to its body. Spartan body condition like weak and thirsty look. Try to blow n push slowly can see its legs and arm can move abit . I cant do anything much, just drop some water in front

This morning before i go to work, Spartan still staying upside down in its case. Not moving also. Its arm and legs is not bend inside like a normal dead FS.. Seems more like hibernating ...

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I really don't know wat happen to both my FS. After Archillies died, i wash and clean its case and put spartan inside the case. Poisoning from water/food/case/ disease or venom from fight? As far from FS fight experience normal FS don't have venom, they only got strong bites that kill insects for food. After about 1 week later Spartan also end up like Archilles. Could it be bcoz i've removed the female FS from its case?

There goes my another best FS.. cry.gif

Now only got X, X2 and Lily2.

Full chops FS are not fighting, they just wanna kill.. half/partial chop FS are the one that fight using its arms, strenght for pushing /lock and at the same time try to kill its opponent during fight.

Wa.. no leaf in Jack case? He will get very stressed up coz very much different from its habitat environment.. Maybe tat why he become so fierce and only chop/kill ?Cant blame Jack, it has change its natural fighting style due to some unknown cause. Since we know Jack has converted to a full chop like Spider Besi /Hantu and a very dangerous 1, its better not fight it with a normal FS.

So far I only allow a fierce FS fight a partial/half chop fierce FS. A full chop tat aim abdomen for kill is too risky to fght. sweat.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 29 2008, 11:31 PM)
Heh... my sis don't like my demon butt biting spider very much either. She ask me wheather she can swat it. doh.gif

To me, chops are just using another way of fighting instead of going head-on with pushing. Basically in head-on fights usually the spider with more strength and endurance will win. Manoveuring techniques(Spartan is a perfect example) is also important but when the arms are lock, it's to a large degree strength vs strength. If a small guy would to fight a big guy, going head-on would be the most stupid thing to do. It's like in Dota, if you use a intelligent/melee hero, you're not going to fight face-to-face with a strength hero. Sure mati.

Another thing we can see is that the danger of a chop spider is not just in its attacking but also in the very start of its encounter with the opponent. Very often, the chop either show little display or just widen or lift its forelegs/arms. If you see a kecut spider, it also lift its arms when it sees another spider, and then it runs. Chops seems to imitate that but instead of running it walks SLOWLY forward. This ability to trick its opponent by holding an unassuming position just before striking with lighting speed is also a key to their successful style.
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I was like "Wat?! Wat happened??" when viper msg me telling me Spartan died. What a tragic! And a mystery too... dying suddenly like that when all seem well is really strange. I wish i am there to investigate..but i think by now u should bury him....

Did you feed Spartan with housefly recently?

As a tribute to ur two great spiders which i myself wished i own them.
I uploaded Archilles vs Spartan on youtube. I must say, this is the most awesome fight i have seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_6HVL6oQrU


Added on March 2, 2008, 3:37 amI was chatting with Mangrovejumper on icq and was wondering wheather could be fungus, parasites(internal or external, virus or bacteria). Really strange. How i wished i have a microscope there to investigate. To see what is the white thingy and also to disect his bloated abdomen.

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Yeah..i still couldn't figure out wat are the cause of the sudden death to my FS..

Archilles - never eat any houseflies bfr.
Spartan - eat 2-3 medium houseflies.

Both FS i fed mostly with plant flies, fruit flies, small red ants, small black/grey flying insects tat found hanging in the toilet or around my house.
The FS also got drank mandarin oranges, watermelon, papaya juice, RO and pipe water ...most of the time fruit juice .. RO & pipe water the FS hardly drink.

Spartan still staying upside down in its case...arm and leg position not bend in. Want to see if theres any changes.
If u coming tomorrow, you can have a look.

The case i use to keep the FS is a hard plastic case with holes made using soldering tool. I've wash it clean and dry it out under the sun before i put the fs inside. I notice after few days the female partner and eggs removed from the case, the FS will end up the same.

Ants also eat dead houseflies n drink fruit juice... in the FS habitat, the FS i saw/caught tat time are either eating ants or leaf flies .. there are house flies also there but not sure the fs is able to chop at it fast at open air place. The big FS i think ate much bigger insects like bigger flies etcs.. those male fs tatt eat ants normally quite thin n small size.

Raining water is one of the main source of water for insects or spiders. Rain water contain acid and after few hours only the acid ph will go low ..
Some of the fruit juice might be too thick/sticky to digest..and need to drop later more plain water for the FS.

Actually last time in skol days i also fed my FS with medium houseflies, ants, fruit juice m etc without any problem. I fed my FS till Big big n very strong. tongue.gif Only different is last time i didnt keep female FS together with the male FS for many days. Just short while to make the male excited bfr fight.

I think to be safer side maybe its better just use RO water and feed the FS with ants or small fruit/plant flies?


Heres are my current FS. Caught a new FS. Name it as HOPE. icon_idea.gif

X - Notice the colour like Spartan and Archilles?
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Lily2 - Getting bigger ady.. likes 2 eat. Bigger than X but arm shorter tongue.gif
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X2 - the smallest among the other FS i got.. Average size not so small la.. Lost in few fights previously but not kecut easily
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HOPE - Quite big also. Still smaller abit than Spartan.
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Let X2 fight with Hope yesterday. Just to test HOPE fighting skill.

HOPE won coz bigger and stronger than X2.
HOPE got the look and fighting stance position like Archilles. Maybe more confident fight smaller opponent?
See the video.

1st round HOPE managed to throw X2 up to the sky! icon_idea.gif Just a short fight only.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/0D4BE9D735AD20E5

2nd round X2 put up a good fight... manage to defend well even after kena 2 chops attk by HOPE.. the 3rd chop X2 gave up.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/6ACC23713889FC82

Both FS not injured. flex.gif

Mindstorm - Thanks for uploading the video Archilles vs Spartan in Youtube. .

Eventho both FS are gone, they will be in my memory forever. smile.gif

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Met viper today and saw Spartan.. he is dried up and stuck to the casing. Very puzzling. The white stuff surrounding the abdomen..couldnt make out what it is. I don't think it is web, because they seem to growth outwards...more like fungus. The abdomen may "look" bloated because of this white thingy. When i saw it the abdomen of cuz already dry up and looks thin. Very very strange.


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CHOPS LOSES!!

Here's today's fights in chronological order. UNFORTUNATELY i did not charge my batteries for my camcord, so i used my camera, so the clips BLUR but still can see the action.

1)X2 vs small chop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7txP3qFtwLA
2)X3 vs small chop - round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbgpkRLMSk
3)Hope vs Bro1 - short fight, Bro1 scrambled
4)Hope vs Bigleaf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7ImudNwxU
5)Lily vs Bro1 - short fight, Bro1 scrambled
6)Bighead vs Hope
7)Bighead vs Hope- round2
8)Bighead vs X
9)Lily2 vs Jack - FIGHT OF THE DAY - 25 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br5xrd2uyX0
Lily2 was amazing in this fight, kena lift and turned upside down also kept fighting to win!!! shit!
Jack got his side legs injured... lifted up. I think his legs got bitten while Lily2 was upside down! Salute to Lily2.
10)Bighead vs Lily2

I have grouped fights 6,7,8 and 10, all of Bighead fights in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6tidbFYOII

Chops fights are the best to watch. But in frontal face-to-face combat against a same size healthy normal FS, even at times chops can lose.
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You're right, I think the fuzz looks like fungus. I wonder if it has to with too much moisture or darkness? It reminds me of the stuff that grows on the skin of fruits that you keep for too long. My other thought is the fungus grew from the inside...especially the fact that it attacked the abdomen only, very puzzling indeed.

Viper: What is the ranking for your spiders? Hope, Lily2 and X all look about the same size.

Mindstorm: Did Jack try to attack the stomach and fail? It's also brighter...so it may help the normal spiders see and defend themselves better. As mentioned earlier, I think if the normal FS can withstand the initial attack, they have a chance.
Bighead didn't even break a sweat, looked selamba only after winning. I'm glad to see that Bighead and Bigleave have recovered.


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I never see any white colour fungus bfr.... most fungus i saw the colour like light green, brown or black colour 1.
The white colour stuff looks abit the web/nest for FS egg... i oso not really sure but looks like thick concerntrated web to me.
The white stuff is inside the abdomen, can see from the bottom its abdomen all turn white, from top the white stuff covers it from outer part of its abdomen.

I do put the fs outdoor to get some light, its case oso see thru type. I don't think darkness cause this death... i oso got keep my FS school time in Trebor round sweet case.
Its noy see thru type and i alwys keep the FS under my bed. My FS turn dark black colour and whenever i open the case, its very wild and active. FS normally will hide under the leaf to avoid too much sunlight

Now i feed my FS with fruit flies, plant flies, ants and normal RO water only.
Hope everything goes well.

THis morning Mindstorm come over and we fight the spiders again.
After Hope, Lily2, X lost to BigHead yesterday, Lily2 and X abit kecut/no in mood to fight ady.

Exciting fight SmallChop vs Lily3.
Just caught Lily3 this morning. Lily3 won but both FS oso injured coz chop each other arms.

Another new FS i caught this morning is RedLeaf.
Defeatd Bro1.

Jack defeated Lily2 in today rematch. Jack as usual chop again but Lily2 still managed to lock Jack down. After a few chops, both FS flip over each other and one ran away. At 1st i thought Lily2 won
but after check again.. not Lily2 but Jack won. Lily2 managed to ran away without any injury but kecut when try fight with Jack again.

Jack also defeated X easily. Just chop den X ran away.. no injury oso. Maybe Lily2 and X still kecut/no mood 2fight after lost to BigHead yesterday hmm.gif

Last match Jack vs HOPE. HOPE won in a fierce fight!. Exciting fight, both FS fight like mad but HOPE is more fiercer and stronger fighter. HOPE managed to launch strong chops at Jack and
lock him down tightly! After a long fierce fight Jack finally gave up and ran away. rclxm9.gif

HOPE never fight with X and Lily2 before but since X and Lily2 still kecut/no mood 2fight after lost to BigHead yesterday, HOPE now rank as NO.1
coz defeated Jack this morning and not kecut even after lost to BigHead yesterday.

Check out all the fight later, Mindstorm will sure post it here and youtube.
This time the video is clearer coz got Camcoder ma.. rclxms.gif

Currently the my fs ranking

1) HOPE
2) X
3) Lily2
4) X2/RedLeaf (Not yet fight)
5) Lily3

Actually abit reluctant to let my FS fight with Jack but i've changed my mind n decided to let Lily2 and HOPE fight with Jack. Lily2 and HOPE both are quite good FS. Not really fierce and strong type like Spartan/Archilles but okla..can fight well. I also don't think Jack is a strong fighter because win by bitting its opponent weak spot only so far and the fight is kinda short.. just chop den win.. doh.gif
I also want to see whether a normal strong FS can counter a full CHOP like Jack.

Mangrovejumper: Jack tried to chop as usual but was caught by Lily2 /HOPE arm. Lotsa arm lock and bitting at head/face and flip upside down fight but in the end Jack also lost. Both Lily2 and HOPE not injured in arms/legs/abdomen after the fight as both FS defend well very.

I think maybe BigLeaves and BigHead not fast enough to grab/def when Jack launch the chops.

If a chop FS can launch a powerful chop at its opponent weak body part, chances to win is high.
Same goes to a strong and fierce normal FS tat can defend very well and chops back at face/head/arms many times will make other FS/Chop FS weak and injured badly.

A very strong n fierce FS can launch powerful chops tat break its opponent teeth/arms and even chop its opponent face/head till it dies.
The stronger and fiercer FS with good fighting skill will win!

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 4 2008, 01:02 AM)
Met viper today and saw Spartan.. he is dried up and stuck to the casing. Very puzzling. The white stuff surrounding the abdomen..couldnt make out what it is. I don't think it is web, because they seem to growth outwards...more like fungus. The abdomen may "look" bloated because of this white thingy. When i saw it the abdomen of cuz already dry up and looks thin. Very very strange.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 4 2008, 06:50 AM)
You're right, I think the fuzz looks like fungus.  I wonder if it has to with too much moisture or darkness?  It reminds me of the stuff that grows on the skin of fruits that you keep for too long.  My other thought is the fungus grew from the inside...especially the fact that it attacked the abdomen only, very puzzling indeed.

Viper: What is the ranking for your spiders?  Hope, Lily2 and X all look about the same size.

Mindstorm:  Did Jack try to attack the stomach and fail?  It's also brighter...so it may help the normal spiders see and defend themselves better.  As mentioned earlier, I think if the normal FS can withstand the initial attack, they have a chance.
Bighead didn't even break a sweat, looked selamba only after winning.  I'm glad to see that Bighead and Bigleave have recovered.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 27 2008, 05:09 PM)
Viper, as you can see, even with a head to head match, which is as fair as it can get, non chop FS are still at a disadvantage against the chop FS.  I think the non chops have a better chance in the fight if they can withstand the initial attack, which most of them cannot.
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yayy!!! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif jack lost!!muahahahahahahahaha!!

gor,u shud give ur spider better names like viper do... nod.gif
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Here are the videos

1. Lily3 vs smallchop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHus-Qnqjqc
2. Jack(right) vs Lily2(left, won Jack yesterday in 25s match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9yz9uiOBy4
3. Jack vs X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT2S-M6JLZ0
4 Hope vs Jack(2 matches in 1 clip)
In the second 15s match, Jack again manages to flip its opponent, Hope.
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But Hope was undeterred and got back in position to continue fighting(can see Hope is slightly bigger)
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In the end, Jack was topsy turvy trying to escape from Hope's strong relentless attack.
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see video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOVd9pdrDI

Hope win Jack, Jack win Bighead, Bighead win Hope... triangle ranking.

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Here is a interesting video i took. I just switched off the bright lights at around 10:15pm but left a dimmer light on...
all of a sudden i noticed my female spiders starting moving.... what are they doing??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxh1c3M6SVk


I am keeping about 20 spiders now, males and females. Some people must be wondering how i get 20 small insects everyday to feed them. Well, just rear them loh...
Look at my staple feed for my spiders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6SSpZqG0vw
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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Mar 5 2008, 02:09 AM)
yayy!!! rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif jack lost!!muahahahahahahahaha!!

gor,u shud give ur spider better names like viper do... nod.gif
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Yeah, but i think better not start naming them lily1, lily2, lily3... getting confusing. Not much different from naming them codes, G4, G6, Z9....
A unique name like Archilles, Spartan, Quietman, Scareycat or Kelapasawit...straight away we can remember their fights and glory...


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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 4 2008, 06:50 AM)
You're right, I think the fuzz looks like fungus.  I wonder if it has to with too much moisture or darkness?  It reminds me of the stuff that grows on the skin of fruits that you keep for too long.  My other thought is the fungus grew from the inside...especially the fact that it attacked the abdomen only, very puzzling indeed.

Viper: What is the ranking for your spiders?  Hope, Lily2 and X all look about the same size.

Mindstorm:  Did Jack try to attack the stomach and fail?  It's also brighter...so it may help the normal spiders see and defend themselves better.  As mentioned earlier, I think if the normal FS can withstand the initial attack, they have a chance.
Bighead didn't even break a sweat, looked selamba only after winning.  I'm glad to see that Bighead and Bigleave have recovered.
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Nope, Jack did not try to jump over. Maybe i feed it too much cuz its stomach full. I had one clip where Jack fight with Bro1 when Jack was fat, also did not jump over. Then again this skill is not easy to execute and i doubt a spider can use it all the time consistently. So partly luck also like you said.

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Fuiyo... when i looked closer at the second match between Hope and Jack, I realize Jack again tried to jump over(check out the 3rd frame) Hope to attack abdomen but Hope was fast enough to lift arm to block the attack and catapulted Jack back onto even ground . Geng man. Like viper said, Bighead and Bigleaf wasn't fast enough to do that.
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From the earlier video Hope vs BigLeaves, i see Hope chop is more powerful. Just one chop at Bigleaves can make BigLeave retreat.
Same goes to 1st round Hope vs Jack. Hope managed to chop at Jack right arm abit forcing Jack to ran away.

In the 2nd round, Hope manage to block JAck attack at the beginning and able to force Jack do fight with normal arm pushing before arm lock down.
I can see Hope was in control as he was at higher attacking position than Jack, it was then Jack use his right arm to flip Hope upside down! Hope managed to grab Jack left arm and still able to attck/bite when got flip upside down.

After a few strong chops from HOpe, Jack finally gave up an try to ran away but Hope don't want to let him ran away !
Hope keep on attack and uses right arm to pin Jack left arm down few times and at the same time use left arm to defend from Jack's right arm attack!! Jack retreat till the end of the ring and fall down.

Superb fighting skill from HOPE. rclxms.gif Good defensive and same time can launch powerful chops attack. rclxms.gif
Those who read Wira Tungggal will know who is HOPE. His a hero with good fighting strategy and can launch powerful punch tat can break moon to half! tongue.gif

I name my FS based on their skill. FS tat i feel is a good fighter will get a better name like Archilles, Spartan, Hope,.
Those i think only average skill FS i name it based on location/leaf and with number bhd their name from the places i caught them eg: X, Banglo, Lily.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 6 2008, 02:04 AM)
Here are the videos

1. Lily3 vs smallchop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHus-Qnqjqc
2. Jack(right) vs Lily2(left, won Jack yesterday in 25s match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9yz9uiOBy4
3. Jack vs X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT2S-M6JLZ0
4 Hope vs Jack(2 matches in 1 clip)
In the second 15s match, Jack again manages to flip its opponent, Hope.
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But Hope was undeterred and got back in position to continue fighting(can see Hope is slightly bigger)
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In the end, Jack was topsy turvy trying to escape from Hope's strong relentless attack.
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see video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOVd9pdrDI

Hope win Jack, Jack win Bighead, Bighead win Hope... triangle ranking.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 4 2008, 01:00 PM)
I never see any white colour fungus bfr.... most fungus i saw the colour like light green, brown or black colour 1.
The white colour stuff looks abit the web/nest for FS egg... i oso not really sure but looks like thick concerntrated web to me.
The white stuff is inside the abdomen, can see from the bottom its abdomen all turn white, from top the white stuff covers it from outer part of its abdomen.

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Certainly it is not web la. If you look closely it is is like small spikes jutting out, how can be web leh? Web is wrapped round. There is white fungus but i was thinking.. i sort of remember the white stuff was pretty hard too so it cant be fungus cuz fungus is soft esp outgrowing ones. What is hard and white?... sugar? Also what goes round the abdomen of a spider? Breathing vents? Could somehow all these be linked? Since you let your spider drink so much fruit juice...

Are you still keeping Spartan? If so, try dipping it in water and see wheather the white stuff "melt" away...

Sugar is sticky, and can certainly cuz ur spider to stick to the surface as it dries out...

There is one way to find out...do a control test. Have to sacrifice one spider then...

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The top abdommen white stuff is hard. The bottom is more like web soft type..the nite i saw the white stuff, i already drip water at Spartan front for it to drink and also at its body. The white stuff just couldnt go away. There are also some sticky web also out around Spartan place.. those like thick layer of web string for it to climb up direct from leaf or from the side of its case.. I've removed this whenever i open the case.

Fruit juice? i'm not sure leh..Last time in skol days i oso feed fruit juice 2 my FS, i oso fed Romeo with mandarin oranges also before i gave to my cousin in JB. Romeo is still alive and my cousin is still keeping it.

I suspect maybe its my room air cond anti-bacteria function.. It got function to kill bacterias!!
*hmm.. but last time i put my FS just outside my room. My room door is close.. but the FS range is quite close 2 my room.. maybe the air flow out...
Now i put further abit ouside my room.. so far ok.

Yeah.. can post a slow motion Lily2 vs Jack and Hope vs Jack video?
Can see the fight more clearer like the one Hope block Jack killer attack in pic frame mode..

Good thing ur camcoder got lotsa good function. rclxms.gif

Thanks.

Last time in skol days, i oso got let my FS fight with other spider species like Spider Besi and Spider Bandar which are killer chop spider.
My FS can kill those spider oso in a direct face to face fight but most of the time its my FS tat chop and kill them 1st bfr they can attack.
Of coz my FS is much bigger la.. i fed them tlll big n strong. It chop so powerful n kill fast.. aim at
the other spider abdomen and front face.. Killer chop attack. Its also part of my FS training so they can have powerful chop bite in fight.

But Archilles and Spartan i put inside with a small Spider Besi oso they dun bother to attack.. maybe full ady eat too much plant flies.. hmm.gif

A chop FS will always chop to kill its enemy. FS or other spider.. CHOP will wack n bite them kaw kaw.
Only experienced n strong FS can defend against a CHOP attack.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 6 2008, 08:53 AM)
Certainly it is not web la. If you look closely it is is like small spikes jutting out, how can be web leh? Web is wrapped round. There is white fungus but i was thinking.. i sort of remember the white stuff was pretty hard too so it cant be fungus cuz fungus is soft esp outgrowing ones. What is hard and white?... sugar? Also what goes round the abdomen of a spider? Breathing vents? Could somehow all these be linked? Since you let your spider drink so much fruit juice...

Are you still keeping Spartan? If so, try dipping it in water and see wheather the white stuff "melt" away...

Sugar is sticky, and can certainly cuz ur spider to stick to the surface as it dries out...

There is one way to find out...do a control test. Have to sacrifice one spider then...
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 5 2008, 06:35 PM)
Fruit juice? i'm not sure leh..Last time in skol days i oso feed fruit juice 2 my FS, i oso fed Romeo with mandarin oranges also before i gave to my cousin in JB. Romeo is still alive and my cousin is still keeping it.
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It's just a guess so it may not be true, but I don't think spiders have the enzymes to digest sugar. Who knows what happens to the fructose molecules floating around in the spider's blood. I know they don't get to drink sweet stuff in the wild.

I theorise the chances of a chop winning a fight dramatically increases in a darker environment, because the opponent cannot see the initial attack coming and doesn't have enough time to react to it.
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Today not working, morning went to KL Tower Forest till afternoon and later went to Tasik Titiwangsa to look for FS. laugh.gif
After brave through the forest alone and walk around Tasik Titiwangsa till 2.30pm... only get some small FS.. haiz... Not able to find any large male FS at all.. only
2 small males and 9 females..i think maybe some are male but havent chg skin yet. Released all the small FS into my house front small garden.

Here are some of the pics i took today.

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The Spider Bandar is very big.. found 2 big ones. 1 about 20 cent coin size and the other one.. is very BIG.. almost like 50 cent coin size.
I open the leaf and was almost shock to see a big Spider Bandar inside..too bad its not the FS tat i'm looking for. sweat.gif

Maybe next time when i'm off weekend, i'll follow my neighbour go back his hometown to look for FS at kelapa sawit plantation there.


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Added on March 7, 2008, 12:38 amWow.. 20 FS... how do u put the flies into each of the FS case?

For me, i put some fruit skins outside my house to attrac fruit flies. Every morning, i just scoop some of the fruit flies into FS case.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 6 2008, 02:10 AM)
Here is a interesting video i took. I just switched off the bright lights at around 10:15pm but left a dimmer light on...
all of a sudden i noticed my female spiders starting moving.... what are they doing??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxh1c3M6SVk
I am keeping about 20 spiders now, males and females. Some people must be wondering how i get 20 small insects everyday to feed them. Well, just rear them loh...
Look at my staple feed for my spiders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6SSpZqG0vw
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 6 2008, 09:58 AM)
It's just a guess so it may not be true, but I don't think spiders have the enzymes to digest sugar.  Who knows what happens to the fructose molecules floating around in the spider's blood.  I know they don't get to drink sweet stuff in the wild.

I theorise the chances of a chop winning a fight dramatically increases in a darker environment, because the opponent cannot see the initial attack coming and doesn't have enough time to react to it.
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Hmm...ok...should i try Bighead vs Jack round 2 under bright outdoor lights?

I notice an interesting thing. Bighead was getting sluggish and wasnt interested in jumping last 2 days. Viper also saw it...it just try to crawl from one perch to the next. When i took home and played with it, it didnt want to jump at all... it just walk around on my finger and if i put another finger near it spin a web a crawl on the web to go to my other finger which is so near!

But i persisted in trying to make it jump. Then after much trying, it gave a short jump... then after that it then jump more and further and once or twice it jumped quite far. As if suddenly it remembered how to jump. Maybe spiders too need constant exercise. However it doesnt crouch before jumping like a normal healthy spider usually do. Somehow from a normal standing position, it just can jump...like Jack when it tries to attack. Weird.

Also Bighead is not gripping well onto vertical plastic surface not like the other spiders.

Seems like age is catching up on him. Maybe having arthritis. And losing sticky soles.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 7 2008, 12:19 AM)
Today not working, morning went to KL Tower Forest till afternoon and later went to Tasik Titiwangsa to look for FS. laugh.gif
After brave through the forest alone and walk around Tasik Titiwangsa till 2.30pm... only get some small FS.. haiz... Not able to find any large male FS at all.. only
2 small males and 9 females..i think maybe some are male but havent chg skin yet. Released all the small FS into my house front small garden.

The Spider Bandar is very big.. found 2 big ones. 1 about 20 cent coin size and the other one.. is very BIG.. almost like 50 cent coin size.
I open the leaf and was almost shock to see a big Spider Bandar inside..too bad its not the FS tat i'm looking for. sweat.gif

Maybe next time when i'm off weekend, i'll follow my neighbour go back his hometown to look for FS at kelapa sawit plantation there.
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Added on March 7, 2008, 12:38 amWow.. 20 FS... how do u put the flies into each of the FS case?

For me, i put some fruit skins outside my house to attrac fruit flies. Every morning, i just scoop some of the fruit flies into FS case.

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Wah, looks like you're enriching the gene pool of FS in your garden.

Nice pictures you have there... looks like a big monitor lizard. Yeah, sometimes you think that area have lots of spiders may turn out to be quite dissapointing. And further more if the area is vast, take long time to find the hot spots.

Great, will look forward to your kelapasawit spiders, man.

Slow motion for the long fights? Wah... the file sure very big. The slow motions i did is for about 1 second... about 20% slower. So for a 15 second fight, the total slow-mo fight time will be 75 second. Maybe the file will become 20-30mb. Well i try and see when i free within the next few days.

I open the container a bit and try to scoop them with the casing my spider is in, sometimes some fly out...but because the flies have no where to go, usually they fly back onto the container top, there i can scoop it too. With ready food supply, i can feed my 20 spiders in less than 15min. Giving water takes 3 seconds. I just spray them.

Ivan from singapore wants to comeup to KL next week friday, are you free that day? Maybe 3 of us can go some new place.... icon_idea.gif

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Hope the FS can breed and survive at my house small garden.

All my FS kinda average size only...very hard to find big ones like Archilles and Spartan.

Need to try search at other place ady.

My housing area near the water tank got small lane to rubber trees area.. i havent go in there to search for FS yet.. coz tat place got wild dogs and snakes.

Next week Fri, i'm working.. sien.. work so boring. Go search for FS more exciting. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 7 2008, 01:44 AM)
Wah, looks like you're enriching the gene pool of FS in your garden.

Nice pictures you have there... looks like a big monitor lizard. Yeah, sometimes you think that area have lots of spiders may turn out to be quite dissapointing. And further more if the area is vast, take long time to find the hot spots.

Great, will look forward to your kelapasawit spiders, man.

Slow motion for the long fights? Wah... the file sure very big. The slow motions i did is for about 1 second... about 20% slower. So for a 15 second fight, the total slow-mo fight time will be 75 second. Maybe the file will become 20-30mb. Well i try and see when i free within the next few days.

I open the container a bit and try to scoop them with the casing my spider is in, sometimes some fly out...but because the flies have no where to go, usually they fly back onto the container top, there i can scoop it too. With ready food supply, i can feed my 20 spiders in less than 15min. Giving water takes 3 seconds. I just spray them.

Ivan from singapore wants to comeup to KL next week friday, are you free that day? Maybe 3 of us can go some new place.... icon_idea.gif
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Yeah, but i think better not start naming them lily1, lily2, lily3... getting confusing. Not much different from naming them codes, G4, G6, Z9....
A unique name like Archilles, Spartan, Quietman, Scareycat or Kelapasawit...straight away we can remember their fights and glory...

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Here's some info on Jumping Spider. Got info oso on its diet.
It stated jumping spider can eat dead/alive flies and plant nectar as part of its diet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_spider

The jumping spider family (Salticidae) contains more than 500 described genera and over 5,000 species, making it the largest family of spiders with about 13% of all species (Peng et al., 2002). Jumping spiders have good vision and use it for hunting and navigating. They are capable of jumping from place to place, secured by a silk tether. Both their book lungs and the tracheal system are well-developed, as they depend on both systems (bimodal breathing).

Habitat
Jumping spiders live in a variety of habitats. Tropical forests harbor the most species, but they are also found in temperate forests, scrub lands, deserts, the intertidal zone (in Malaysia), even mountains (one species is reported to have been the spider collected at the highest elevation, on the slopes of Mt. Everest (Wanless, 1975). Certain species of Salticidae are quite common in Europe, such as the Zebra Jumping Spider Salticus scenicus, which is commonly found resting on sun-warmed stone or brick walls.

Appearance
Jumping spiders are generally recognized by their eye pattern. They typically have eight eyes arranged in two or three rows. The front, and most distinctive row is enlarged and forward facing to enable stereoscopic vision. The others are situated back on the cephalothorax.

Colours and patterns vary widely. Several species of jumping spiders appear to mimic ants, beetles, or pseudoscorpions. Others may appear to be parts of grass stems, bumps on twigs, bark, part of a rock or even part of a sand surface.

Behavior
Jumping spiders are generally diurnal, active hunters. Their well developed internal hydraulic system extends their limbs by altering the pressure of body fluid (blood) within them. This enables the spiders to jump without having large muscular legs like a grasshopper. The jumping spider can therefore jump 20 to 60 or even 80 times the length of their body. When a jumping spider is moving from place to place, and especially just before it jumps, it tethers a filament of silk to whatever it is standing on. Should it fall for one reason or another, it climbs back up the silk tether.

Unlike almost all other spiders, they can quite easily climb on glass. Minute hairs and claws on their feet enable them to grip imperfections in the glass.

Jumping spiders also use their silk to weave small tent-like dwellings where females can protect their eggs, and which also serve as a shelter while moulting.

Jumping spiders are known for their curiosity. If approached by a human hand, instead of scuttling away to safety as most spiders do, the jumping spider will usually leap and turn to face the hand. Further approach may result in the spider jumping backwards while still eyeing the hand. The tiny creature will even raise its forelimbs and "hold its ground." Because of this contrast to other arachnids, the jumping spider is regarded as inquisitive as it is seemingly interested in whatever approaches it.[citation needed]


Vision

The four front eyes of a jumping spider (there are eight eyes total).Jumping spiders have very good vision centered in their anterior median eyes (AME). Their eyes are able to create a focused image on the retina, which has up to four layers of receptor cells in it (Harland & Jackson, 2000). Physiological experiments have shown that they may have up to four different kinds of receptor cells, with different absorption spectra, giving them the possibility of up to tetrachromatic color vision, with sensitivity extending into the ultra-violet range. It seems that all salticids, regardless of whether they have two, three or four kinds of color receptors, are highly sensitive to UV light (Peaslee & Wilson, 1989). Some species (for example, Cosmophasis umbratica) are highly dimorphic in the UV spectrum, suggesting a role in sexual signaling (Lim & Li, 2005). Color discrimination has been demonstrated in behavioral experiments.

The principal eyes have high resolution (11 min. visual angle) [1], but the field of vision is narrow, from 2-5 degrees.

Because the retina is the darkest part of the eye and it moves around, one can sometimes look into the eye of a jumping spider and see it changing color. When it is darkest, you are looking into its retina and the spider is looking straight at you.[2]

[COLOR=red]Diet

Hunting
Jumping spiders capture their prey by jumping on it from several inches away, and they may jump from twig to twig or leaf to leaf. They can jump many times their body length. They can carry out complex maneuvers such as detours around obstacles in order to reach their prey. Their eyesight is much better than the other spiders and most, if not all, insects. Most other spiders will only eat prey that they have captured live because they are unable to see dead prey (some long-legged sac spiders and anyphaenid sac spiders are exceptions as they recognize insect eggs as food) but jumping spiders will eat flies that have been killed for them. One jumping spider (Evarcha culicivora) is even known to only capture mosquitos full of blood, using their eyesight and smell.

Nectar
Even if there are no spiders that are pure herbivores, there are some jumping spiders which include nectar in their diet (Jackson et al., 2001). So far none are known to feed on pollen or seeds. When insects land on plants such as the partridge pea, which offers the spiders nectar through their extrafloral nectaries, the jumping spiders help protect the plant in return by killing and eating insects that might damage the plant.[COLOR=red]


Gliding
At least one species of jumping spiders, known as the Gliding Spider (Maratus volans) from Australia, has an abdomen with two wing-like flaps that can be tucked underneath it when not in use. When the spider is leaping, it can use its flaps to extend the jump and glide short distances through the air.

Venom
Some jumping spiders may bite to protect themselves if disturbed. However, jumping spiders usually escape and hide, and will only bite if provoked and cornered. While the bite of a larger jumping spider can be painful, only a few species produce any other effects. Almost all spiders (except hackled orb-weavers) have venom, but the venom of most spiders is not worse than the venom of a bee.[citation needed]

Reproduction
Jumping spiders use their vision in complex visual courtship displays. Males are often quite different in appearance than females and may have plumose hairs, colored or metallic hairs, front leg fringes, structures on other legs and other, often bizarre, modifications. These are used in visual courtship in which the colored or metallic parts of the body are displayed and complex sideling, vibrational or zigzag movements are performed in a courtship "dance." In recent years it has been discovered that many jumping spiders may have auditory signals as well, with amplified sounds produced by the males sounding like buzzes or drum rolls.[citation needed]


Added on March 8, 2008, 2:11 pmHere oso got good info on FS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiania_bhamoensis

Interesting point from the links:

Twelve different displays were identified during fights between males, including pushing, possibly to assess the weight of the other male.
Because two males will readily fight each other, either in a natural setting, or if put together, they are commonly known as "fighting spider" in South-east Asia. These spiders are commonly kept in matchboxes with a piece of green leaf and a spat of saliva for moisture. A spider that wins fight after fight gets the status of "first king". A common belief is that the darkest males are most aggressive.



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Added on March 8, 2008, 6:59 pmWoah.. see these FS colours.. so bright!

http://www.pbase.com/andrew57/image/84476916

http://www.southindianspiders.org/south-in...rs2.htm#Thiania


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Added on March 8, 2008, 11:24 pmTonight while waiting for the election results, i let my FS fight again. tongue.gif
Both Election and FS fight oso exciting! rclxms.gif

Lily2 vs New1 (Lily2 won. New1 is smaller abit than Lily2, just caught it 2 days ago. Wanted to test whether Lily2 has recovered from fight with Jack)

Lily2 vs HOPE (Hope won) rclxms.gif
Hope is very strong.. just some arm pushing, Lily2 retreat.

X vs X2 (X2 won) Fight of the night!! about 27 secs ! flex.gif
1st round - Both FS fight fiercely, strong push at the beginning and both fs got breakfree from each other awhile, X2 launch strong chop and both FS flip upside down!!
This was follow by strong arm fight/push by X forcing X2 to the edge of the fighting ring and almost fall!
X2 managed to stand firm and try to chg position back up to the ring but X do a strong chop and both FS fall off from the fighting ring hanging only by their spider web!.
Both FS continue to fight fiercely while in the AIR!!! Lotsa bitting and arm defend from both FS.!!
X2 was in a higher position than X thus have advantage. After fighting in the air for quite sometime, X fell down abit from the web but immediately X climb up the web and continue the fighting with X2 in the air! X2 didn't gave any chance at all, keep on attacking till X fall down to the ground.

X2 won rclxms.gif I feel X lost because fighting at a disadvantage position.

Feed both FS with plain water after 1st round fight. Rest abit 1st..

2nd round
X2 and X both fight fierce again. Both chops each other fiercely. I can see X launch abt 3 continuously chop at X2 but X2 seem standing higher and after chg position X2 counter with strong chops back.! In the end X ran away. X arm was injured abit. sweat.gif

X2 also injured after the fight.
Feed with water again, both FS was exhausted but still ok.

Didn't expect X2 will win bcoz previously it lost to X and Lily2. I've feed X2 with medium plant flies and fruit flies more recently and now X2 is bigger abit than X.

Current ranking i think

HOPE
X2
X
Lily2
New1 (not strong fighter, just for sparring practice only)

Here are todays fight. rclxm9.gif
Check out X vs X2 fight in the AIR. This is a fight we rarely can see. One of the FS unique fighting style. rolleyes.gif
Video so so coz using PDA hp camera ma.. sweat.gif

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/05D41A93439F6A57


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Very interesting articles you found. Didnt know got gliding jumpers. I also wonder wat Evarcha culicivora looks like...dracula spider.

FUIYO, another unique fight by your spiders!! Fighting in the air! They were fighting very fast, cannot capture their minute movements. First time i see FS fight on a web for so long! Got see before but not so long. Last part there i see like X2 cut off the web of X to make him fall? Hard to say if X2 have advantage or disadvantage position...afterall hanging on a web gives the spider not much support...
But really exciting match.

X2 is smaller than X yet now become 2nd king. X2 looks like a dark horse.

Here are the fights I have today. Not as exciting as vipers. But i think Redleaf is becoming chop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZv8p1oCus

Here's Jack trying to be romeo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XteEYFroKAA

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Viper: Thanks for the southindianspiders link. It will help us identify some common spiders in the future.

Mindstorm: Still have no success with mating chops? Haha. What is the chop female up to nowadays?


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Ya.. i was oso suprise when both the FS fall of the fighting ring and still can fight in the air. Most of the time FS will normall fall of to the ground and continue fighting. X and X2 fight quite long in air and the fight is quite intense, i can see both of the FS grabbing, using arms to attack and bite each other continuously. I was worried oso coz, maybe the FS will bite off each other arms and legs while fighting in such awkward position in air.

Both FS fight quite fair while grab/bite each other but when X slip lower than X2, X start to have hard time trying to counter X2 attack and keep drop lower few times but still can climb up to fight. X2 keep attack and in the end X fall coz its web broke.

I feel X2 have a better fighting position/attack position once X slip lower coz X2 can cut of the web and let X fall down easily.
From the video can see X try to climb up twice to attack X2 but failed and fall down to the ground.

Eventho lost 1st round (i feel the result is even coz X still want to fight but maybe X2 cut off the web string.)
X also not kecut and in the 2nd round still can fight with strong chops but X2 counter chops is more painful.
X finally retreat and i can see its right arm is injured abit coz kena bite by X2. (can see in the video)

In my earlier post i wrote,
"X2 - the smallest among the other FS i got.. Average size not so small la.. Lost in few fights previously but not kecut easily"

I've let X2 fight with Lily2, X and HOPE previously, eventho X2 lost in all the fight but i can see tat X2 is a potential good FS coz it can fight quite well.
Eventho lost, X2 still can fight other FS in the following fight without ran away. X2 was actually for my other FS sparring partner to boost their fighting skill.

X2 also can fight LittleChop well in 2 round fight rclxms.gif I've fed X2 with juicy medium flies and now, its slightly fatter than X already.
Should be more stronger than last time. I oso feel X2 can defeat Lily2 coz Lily2 performance seems drop already.

HOPE is still the best, yesterday able to do a strong push at Lily2 and win easily. icon_idea.gif

Chops are fierce fighter.... maybe i'll try to train my fs become chop by putting them at darker place for sometime.. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 9 2008, 01:10 AM)
Very interesting articles you found. Didnt know got gliding jumpers. I also wonder wat Evarcha culicivora looks like...dracula spider.

FUIYO, another unique fight by your spiders!! Fighting in the air! They were fighting very fast, cannot capture their minute movements. First time i see FS fight on a web for so long! Got see before but not so long. Last part there i see like X2 cut off the web of X to make him fall? Hard to say if X2 have advantage or disadvantage position...afterall hanging on a web gives the spider not much support...
But really exciting match.

X2 is smaller than X yet now become 2nd king. X2 looks like a dark horse.

Here are the fights I have today. Not as exciting as vipers. But i think Redleaf is becoming chop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZv8p1oCus

Here's Jack trying to be romeo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XteEYFroKAA
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Added on March 9, 2008, 1:33 pmHere got FS mating infos
http://www.usp.nus.edu.sg/events/sustainab...ageflirting.pdf

Check out the FS pic here. Its colour bluish!! Strips pattern on abdomen oso different abit
http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/ph...ya/sh-malay.htm

http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/thiania/thian-ph.htm


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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 9 2008, 07:15 AM)
Viper: Thanks for the southindianspiders link. It will help us identify some common spiders in the future.

Mindstorm: Still have no success with mating chops? Haha. What is the chop female up to nowadays?
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Wah, i like the blue Thiania, Thiania demissa, its abdomen stripes is straight across rather than slanting. Must go Tioman and catch! Ok, my next holiday with my wife i must plan Tioman..hehe.
This makes me think...wat about Langkawi, Pulau Perhentian etc... all those islands. All the spiders there are isolated from the mainland, so their gene lines will develop independently from our normal FS, hence their different strip patterns. Ok, whereever i go, i will look for FS! Maybe can get a super big or fierce type!

The female Thiania from India also looks different. I have come across this page before last year but i didnt see the the page where the blue male from Tioman is. Thanks viper, looks like you have been googling around for Thiania Bhamoensis huh? Hehe.. i do that too.

Here's a species from Cameron Highlands, caught by MangroveJumper when he went trekking there with his family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVC6jBwC0oI
But this species a bit thin but look garang(fierce).

Here's the Black Thiania I caught from north of KL. I released all of them already cuz at that time i wasnt rearing my food source so really hard to keep so many spiders. But i'm still keeping one of the other species which photos i posted earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6GnfGDuvSc

Last but not least, here's a Thiania Species from Taiwan, Thiania subopressa Strand, 1907. Looks like got 2 types. Mangrovejumper and me was looking at this website late last year. Damn cool man. Impressive macro pictures. Too bad I can't read Mandarin otherwise I will try to communicate with the Blueray guy.
Sigma1920: If you're reading this you should check out this website also. It's a huge website(some Nature Society one i think) with plently of incredible macro photos of different spiders and insects. Click the green arrows on the top right of the page to go to other spider/insect related treads.
http://x4.net.vnu.edu.tw/~tbgweb/cgi-bin/t...pic=497&show=25

Here's a red Thiania being eaten by another jumper. Same website. Scroll down.
http://www.tbg.org.tw/~tbgweb/cgi-bin/topi...start=60&show=0

Some of the documented thiania species but no pictures.
http://zipcodezoo.com/Animals/T/Thiania_sumptuosa.asp
T. abdominalis
T. albo-cincta
T. aura
T. bhamoensis
T. cavaleriei
T. cavalierei
T. chrysogramma
T. cupreonitens
T. demissa
T. formosissima
T. gazellae
T. humilis
T. inermis
T. jucunda
T. luteobrachialis
T. luteola
T. oppressa
T. pulcherrima
T. sinuata
T. suavis
T. suboppressa
T. subopressa
T. subserena
T. thalassina
T. viscaensis
T. vittata


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiania
Thiania abdominalis Zabka, 1985 - Vietnam
Thiania aura Dyal, 1935 - Pakistan
Thiania bhamoensis Thorell, 1887 - Burma to Sumatra
Thiania cavaleriei Schenkel, 1963 - China
Thiania chrysogramma Simon, 1901 - Hong Kong
Thiania cupreonitens (Simon, 1899) - Sumatra
Thiania demissa (Thorell, 1892) - Indonesia
Thiania formosissima (Thorell, 1890) - Borneo
Thiania gazellae (Karsch, 1878) - New Guinea
Thiania inermis (Karsch, 1897) - Hong Kong
Thiania jucunda Thorell, 1890 - Sumatra
Thiania luteobrachialis Schenkel, 1963 - China
Thiania pulcherrima C. L. Koch, 1846 - Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Malaysia, Sulawesi
Thiania sinuata Thorell, 1890 - Malaysia
Thiania suboppressa Strand, 1907 - China, Vietnam, Hawai'i
Thiania subserena Simon, 1901 - Malaysia
Thiania viscaensis Barrion & Litsinger, 1995 - Philippines

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 9 2008, 07:15 AM)
Viper: Thanks for the southindianspiders link.  It will help us identify some common spiders in the future.

Mindstorm:  Still have no success with mating chops?  Haha.  What is the chop female up to nowadays?
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Yeah still no success. But that's because the female unwilling, from the clip you can see if I can get a willing female, Jack would be able to mate. Must plan a hunting trip soon. I didnt fight females lately. The chop female pretty inactive compared to the other females. Mostly staying under the artificial leaf.
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Ya.. i oso like the blue stripes FS from Tioman. Looks exotic and like a good fighter.
Thiania subopressa looks cool also. Looks very fierce type leh, its arms oso very long.. but face all black?
The cameron Thiana oso not bad looking.. but its opponent cant fight la.. kecut type.

This morning when i want to feed my FS, i open Lily2 case and got a shock shocking.gif
Lily2 become much bigger already. Yesterday i fed Lily2 with a fat flying insects tat normally fly near light bulb.. those tat their wings fall off easily one. Lily2 now is bigger than HOPE and X2!! It must be the food tat the FS eat and become BIG!. X2 oso ate a medium flies few days back, its size also grow big and can fight much better. rclxms.gif

Tomorrow and Wed i'm off. Maybe will go Tasik Perdana look for FS tongue.gif
Dang.. this month i don't have weekn off days... cant go Kelapa Sawit place 2 look for FS.

If you got pass by Ampang n free these 2 days we can let the FS again.
I feel Lily2 is ready for a rematch with JACK. icon_idea.gif

Ya, if u want Jack to mate with the femate chop by force, U can try my skool friend's method, press the female chop back abdomen lightly so it cant move, then Jack can mate easily with the female chop. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 10 2008, 07:35 AM)
Yeah still no success. But that's because the female unwilling, from the clip you can see if I can get a willing female, Jack would be able to mate. Must plan a hunting trip soon. I didnt fight females lately. The chop female pretty inactive compared to the other females. Mostly staying under the artificial leaf.
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Spider fighting is/was popular in Kentucky, USA too!
Interesting video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIXiiuVJ40&feature=related

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Today plenty of upsets.
First Jack trashes Bro1. No upset here as it was expected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO09UnObWvQ
Then i thot of filming from the side how Jack actually jumps over its opponent. So I used Kelapasawit as victim... darn...Jack became the victim! He was fed earlier with fly and also drank a lot of water. Looks like he was pretty slow when he tried to jump and he bore the consequenses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kf7CHLB_vY
Anyway, kelapasawit pretty much trashed every spider today, including Redleaf, Smallchop, Bro1, Topman. He is actually smaller than Redleaf and Redleaf is smaller than Jack. Really don't know what got into him, really mad. But i think i know a possible reason...I let him fight smallchop yesterday for my cousins(small kids) to see and he trashed smallchop(i didnt videotape)..after that i just kept him, possible over the night, it gave him a confidence boost.


Here's a tribute to all time heavyweight champion. He's getting really old(here's ur old spider which u say u never see before, Mangrovejumper). I only fight him with Bigleaf today and it was a no show(because Bigleaf also getting old). You can see his arms are perpetually bend while walking. (if you see droplets on him, that's because i spray water lightly on him). He is also ignoring food nearby. Will be anytime soon. I have let him retire horizontally in the leaves of my plant as he is no longer able to hang vertically on those round containers. Just now when i came home, he is still alive... snuggled nicely in between the leaves. I expect him to be around at most another day or so. Time to say goodbye...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRgw4-SZN2s

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 10 2008, 10:46 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kf7CHLB_vY
Anyway, kelapasawit pretty much trashed every spider today, including Redleaf, Smallchop, Bro1, Topman. He is actually smaller than Redleaf and Redleaf is smaller than Jack. Really don't know what got into him, really mad.
The kelapasawit-jack slo-mo clip is great. It allows you to see the counter move (bite from underneath) for the initial pounce. On round 1, after the initial counter, it was a 50-50 tussle. Jack did manage the lift Kelapasawit, but he didn't run away and Jack gave up. The 2nd round was an even better counter that flipped Jack and subsequent pursuit by Kelapasawit. It reminds me of a tennis match where the one player hits a hard serve but the other hits the return shot equally hard that wins the point.

Thanks for the Bighead clip. You certainly have enough documented events on him to write an epic story. So I guess we can hypothesize that the adult life of the FS is about 4 months assuming that he's old, and not sick. It'll be interesting to see if females live longer than males...just like humans. hmm.gif
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Very sad to hear that....Bighead is the really big....Maybe next time got time go ur house and see ur collection....
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Wow... ur KelapaSawit is reaally fierce! I see Jack still uses his abdomen bite attack in 1st and oso 2nd round fight against KelapaSawit but FAILED!
KelapaSawit block Jack attack and counter attack with alot of fierce bite till Jack ran away! Geng man. rclxms.gif

Jack beat Bro1 easily... did Bro1 injured in the fight? hmm.gif
U let the fS fight on yellow paper ? slippery n no tight grip ?

Today i went to Tasik Perdana to hunt for FS. tongue.gif
Reach there at afternoon time only to find out tat most of place is seal for upgrading. Only can walk certain area there like Taman Bunga Raya and Taman Orkid..
Only able to get 5 males FS and 4 female FS at Lily leaves n this type of leaves
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1 young/small size and 4 average size males FS... cant seem to find any big or large male FS sweat.gif
Actually found another more 2 average size males but they managed to jump and ran away.. doh.gif

Here's the pics of the FS i caught today. icon_idea.gif
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Reach home around 4.30pm abit tired but i let the FS fight to test whether they are good fighters onot. tongue.gif
Let all the 5 new male FS fight.. all can fight but just short fight using arm pushing n 1 chop only.

Then i let the winner of the 5 FS fight with each fight with my lowest rank FS - New1 tongue.gif
Both FS fight very fierce man.. fast arm pushing, arm lock and chops few times! New1 lost!
2nd round oso the new FS won in short fight only.
I really din expect the new spider can give a good fight n beat New1. Decided to name its Kaizer.

I also let the 2nd best new FS fight with New1, New1 won easily. Name the 2nd best new FS it as Kaizen.

After the fight, i let go the bottom 3 male FS and 4 female FS. Keep Kaizen as Kaizer n New1 sparring partner.

I also decide to rename my other earlier FS tat i have

Lily2 - Crossfire
X - Xinan
X2 - Xonan
New1 - Nexus

So now my FS ranking with new names. biggrin.gif

1) HOPE
2) Xonan
3) Xinan
4) Kaizer
5) Nexus
6) Kaizen

Kaizer, Nexus and Kaizen are actually quite small/average size more like light weight catergory FS.
HOPE, Xinan and Xonan are medium weight category FS

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Added on March 11, 2008, 9:30 pmFrom my experienced, if a FS cant walk on wall, walk slowly and no appetite to eat/drink.. its more towards bad injury from fierce fight or continuous fight.
If the FS get chop badly in fight and cont to fight over again without rest or water... it will die in the fight or die few days later.
This happen to both young or large FS.

Ya.. maybe you can kill some flies or ants and give it to BigHead. Its easier so it no need to put much effort to hunt the insects.
I'm not really sure whether its due to old age/ disease/ venom/injury from fight BIGHEAD become so weak.

BigHead is an excellent FS tat wins alot fight. It fight well and never give up when fight against other fierce FS.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 11 2008, 01:46 AM)
Here's a tribute to all time heavyweight champion. He's getting really old(here's ur old spider which u say u never see before, Mangrovejumper). I only fight him with Bigleaf today and it was a no show(because Bigleaf also getting old). You can see his arms are perpetually bend while walking. (if you see droplets on him, that's because i spray water lightly on him). He is also ignoring food nearby. Will be anytime soon. I have let him retire horizontally in the leaves of my plant as he is no longer able to hang vertically on those round containers. Just now when i came home, he is still alive... snuggled nicely in between the leaves. I expect him to be around at most another day or so. Time to say goodbye...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRgw4-SZN2s
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RIP Bighead
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RIP Bighead
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The search continues for the next generation of gladiators....
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RIP BIGHEAD... very Large FS. Not easy to find a large FS nowdays. sad.gif

Today suppose to meet up with Mindstorm for FS fight but he cancelled coz not feeling well.

So i let all my FS fight. LOTSA fight today!!

Nexus VS Kaizen (Nexus won)

Kaizer VS Nexus (Kaizer won) strong chops from Kaizer. Different fight arm position like ther earlier video FS name CAM.

Xinan VS Crossfire (Xinan won)

HOPE vs Xinan (Xinan won)

Xinan VS Xonan (Xinan won) - Great Fight. Lotsa chops and grappling!!! About 35 secs!!

HOPE VS Crossfire (HOPE won)

Heres all the videos!! I zipped it to about 9MB size.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/B0E6AAD528C07C84

HOPE and Crossfire performance today kinda slack.. eat alot maybe hmm.gif

Xinan and Xonan both fight very well. rclxms.gif
Xinan can continuous fight Crossfire, HOPE, Xonan and won all the fights! Very strong. icon_idea.gif
This is the 2nd time Xonan lost to Xinan. Last few days also fierce fight ... fight in the AIR!!
Eventho lost today.. Xonan give a very strong fight to Xinan. Strong chops, lotsa arm lock grappling and swap position few times!:idea:

Kaizer got good potential to become a very good fierce FS! Its abit small like 5 cent+ abit size but it likes to chop alot during fight!!
Nexus is bigger about 10 cent size but still lost to Kaizer!! I got let Nexus rematch vs Kaizer and NExus still lost kena chop alot.. but i dint managed to record video the FS!! doh.gif

Too bad i don't have a camcoder to record all the FS fight clearly.. have to settle for some average quality video coz i use my PDA HP camera.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 12 2008, 08:52 PM)
RIP BIGHEAD... very Large FS.  Not easy to find a large FS nowdays.  sad.gif

Today suppose to meet up with Mindstorm for FS fight but he cancelled coz not feeling well.

So i let all my FS fight. LOTSA fight today!!

Nexus VS Kaizen (Nexus won)

Kaizer VS Nexus (Kaizer won) strong chops from Kaizer. Different fight arm position like ther earlier video FS name CAM.

Xinan VS Crossfire (Xinan won)

HOPE vs Xinan (Xinan won)

Xinan VS Xonan (Xinan won) - Great Fight. Lotsa chops and grappling!!! About 35 secs!!

HOPE VS Crossfire (HOPE won)

Heres all the videos!! I zipped it to about 9MB size.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/B0E6AAD528C07C84

HOPE and Crossfire performance today kinda slack.. eat alot maybe  hmm.gif

Xinan and Xonan both fight very well.  rclxms.gif
Xinan can continuous fight Crossfire, HOPE, Xonan and won all the fights! Very strong.  icon_idea.gif
This is the 2nd time Xonan lost to Xinan. Last few days also fierce fight ... fight in the AIR!!
Eventho lost today.. Xonan give a very strong fight to Xinan. Strong chops,  lotsa arm lock grappling and swap position few times!:idea:

Kaizer got good potential to become a very good fierce FS! Its abit small like 5 cent+ abit size but it likes to chop alot during fight!!
Nexus is bigger about 10 cent size but still lost to Kaizer!! I got let Nexus rematch vs Kaizer and NExus still lost kena chop alot.. but i dint managed to record video the FS!! doh.gif

Too bad i don't have a camcoder to record all the FS fight clearly.. have to settle for some average quality video coz i use my PDA HP camera.

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Wah, xinan rocks! Xinan and Xonan u catch from ur area... seems like use the same fighting style as Archilles and Spartan. The arm locking drags the fighting time. I timed it as 33s. Shows that the gene lines there have good stamina in fighting. Crossfire(lily2) seems no match to the other spiders..all no show fighting. Nexus should fight with Xinan?

I think from here we can see that fighting styles in spiders can be pass down. Styles seem to be similar in one area. Chops like smallchop, Jack, 6leg and now Redleaf are all caught from same area. Armlocking-stamina figthers like Archilles, Spartan, Xenon and Xinan caught from same area too? PJ fighters like Topman, Bigguns and Puchong fighters like Bigleave, Thickarms and Bro1, Bro2, Blackhead...all not so good when matched against the KL fighters. Even some seremban top fighter like Quietman is no match against KL top fighters like Bighead, Lumpy mainly becuz of size.
Hehe, of cuz all these i say is only those we catch, God knows wat really is out there.


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The kelapasawit-jack slo-mo clip is great.  It allows you to see the counter move (bite from underneath) for the initial pounce.  On round 1, after the initial counter, it was a 50-50 tussle.  Jack did manage the lift Kelapasawit, but he didn't run away and Jack gave up.  The 2nd round was an even better counter that flipped Jack and subsequent pursuit by Kelapasawit.  It reminds me of a tennis match where the one player hits a hard serve but the other hits the return shot equally hard that wins the point.

Thanks for the Bighead clip.  You certainly have enough documented events on him to write an epic story.  So I guess we can hypothesize that the adult life of the FS is about 4 months assuming that he's old, and not sick.  It'll be interesting to see if females live longer than males...just like humans.  hmm.gif
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yeah, i wonder how can i borrow or where can i go to maybe film using a highspeed camera MACRO, like those in some nature TV shows... then maybe can really see how their jaws sink in or lock close up and in super slow mo. haha!

Yeah.. his epic story is pretty much depicted here. Yeah, i also think the life span is around there. Last year the longest spider i kept was also nearly 3 months only. Most died within 2 months. I asked Ivan the singapore guy how long he kept his spider.. he also says 2 months.

Viper says he kept one for 10months! Holy cow... viper, you'll have to try that again with ur spiders now to get it documented.

I'm keeping females, named them but unfortunately i didn't really write down when i capture them.
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Jack beat Bro1 easily... did Bro1 injured in the fight?  hmm.gif 
U let the fS fight on yellow paper ? slippery n no tight grip ?

From my experienced, if a FS cant walk on wall, walk slowly and no appetite to eat/drink.. its more towards bad injury from fierce fight or continuous fight.
If the FS get chop badly in fight and cont to fight over again without rest or water... it will die in the fight or die few days later.
This happen to both young or large FS.

Ya.. maybe you can kill some flies or ants and give it to BigHead. Its easier so it no need to put much effort to hunt the insects.
I'm not really sure whether its due to old age/ disease/ venom/injury from fight BIGHEAD become so weak.

BigHead is an excellent FS tat wins alot fight. It fight well and never give up when fight against other fierce FS.
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I used the rough side of the yellow paper, so they have pretty good grip. The reason i use the yellow paper is because it is yellow mah.. light background, better pictures. I also prop up a white paper for the white background. The passport u use seems to be working well, allowing good grip but not so good for filming cuz harder to see cuz not so good contrast.

Before the last fight between Bighead and Bigleaf, I fought him with ur spiders.. surely no injury from just pushing.
Yeah, they can die from injury or sheer exhaustion... same like wat u say, walk slowly and dont eat. Bighead however have been gradually moving slowly for many days, almost 3 weeks... even when i brought him to ur place the last time..he's already slow down alot. So, i think it is old age. Even before he got his abdomen ripped by Jack, he already seems not so active in his container(i put him in a huge container). When he was at his prime, everyday at least twice a day he will be out walking...and he can wander about in its cage for an hour or so. But guess is that Bighead when caught has probably changed skin not long ago..at most 1 week, cuz he was still light in color and lembek..lost to smaller Lumpy. I think FS can probably fight well after about 1 week or so after change skin. Example is Blurman. Maybe peaking after 1 month and the peak can last maybe 1 month to 2 months. After 2 and half months to after 3 months, their prime is over.
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Ya..Xinan fight very well. Xinan use to be the lowest rank FS i have.. it alwys lost to Xonan, Crossfire and HOPE last time but i can see its a potential good fighter coz it can continous fight without fear easily. After i fed Xinan alot, it become bigger already and now Xinan is bigger than Xonan.
Xinan is also actually smaller abit if compare to Crossfire and HOPE!!

Xonan got the same colour like Archilles and Spartan coz i caught at the same place area. Xinan also caught at the same area but its colour like normal green only.

Nexus fight with Xinan? Sure Nexus lost la.. Nexus is much smaller. If fight Xonan oso, Nexus sure lose 1...somemore Nexus also lost to Kaizer which is smaller !

Crossfire and HOPE doesn't seems want to fight yesterday. I noticed something weird after i put in the Female FS i caught from
Tasik Perdana into their case. Both HOPE and Crossfire ran like seeing ghost? seems like kecut liao after see the female FS. I saw few times whenever the meet face contact, the male FS ran away very FAST!

After HOPE and Crossfire lost yesterday, i've release all the female FS. Xinan and Xonan seems normal even got female FS inside... but i think its better to release the Female FS oso.

I think similiar one area only got some really good FS tat can really fight well especially the big ones. Most of the FS i caught at same place can just fight for short while. I think it got to do with the type of leaves and its habitat surrounding place.

Like the FS i caught from Tasik Perdana lily leaves, only Kaizer can really fight well.
Kaizer is quite fierce and i can see it alwys alwys initiate strong chops at its opponnent during fight!.
Its fighting arm position sometimes also different and unique.!

If feed well and can grow bigger, Kaizer will become a very excellent fighter!

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:07 AM)
Wah, xinan rocks! Xinan and Xonan u catch from ur area... seems like use the same fighting style as Archilles and Spartan. The arm locking drags the fighting time. I timed it as 33s. Shows that the gene lines there have good stamina in fighting. Crossfire(lily2) seems no match to the other spiders..all no show fighting. Nexus should fight with Xinan?

I think from here we can see that fighting styles in spiders can be pass down. Styles seem to be similar in one area. Chops like smallchop, Jack, 6leg and now Redleaf are all caught from same area. Armlocking-stamina figthers like Archilles, Spartan, Xenon and Xinan caught from same area too? PJ fighters like Topman, Bigguns and Puchong fighters like Bigleave, Thickarms and Bro1, Bro2, Blackhead...all not so good when matched against the KL fighters. Even some seremban top fighter like Quietman is no match against KL top fighters like Bighead, Lumpy mainly becuz of size.
Hehe, of cuz all these i say is only those we catch, God knows wat really is out there.
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Added on March 13, 2008, 12:00 pmIf got good camera video sure good la.. my pda hp camera video quality sux..... if can record all the good fights like Archilles vs Spartan or
Xinan vs Xonan clearly sure very nice 2 see.

Ya, during my skool days i played FS quite alot. My skool got FS season every year.. normally lasted about 1-3 months.
Some FS alwys lost/injured my fren oso gave 2 me.
Even some of my fren who bored/duwan play FS anymore pass me their FS.

I keep the FS very long even after the FS fight season in my skol over till none of my fen playing FS anymore. tongue.gif
My best FS travels with me in a round Trebor case to my hometown JB for CNY, skool, shopping complex and also even to toilet. biggrin.gif

I recall the longest FS i keep is early of the year bfr CNY till year end. I'm the only one still keeping the FS even after final skol exam
No more fight coz no other ppl play ady, i just keep it as pet. I cant really confirm but i think got about 1 year or 10 mths like tat.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:16 AM)
yeah, i wonder how can i borrow or where can i go to maybe film using a highspeed camera MACRO, like those in some nature TV shows... then maybe can really see how their jaws sink in or lock close up and in super slow mo. haha!

Yeah.. his epic story is pretty much depicted here. Yeah, i also think the life span is around there. Last year the longest spider i kept was also nearly 3 months only. Most died within 2 months. I asked Ivan the singapore guy how long he kept his spider.. he also says 2 months.

Viper says he kept one for 10months! Holy cow... viper, you'll have to try that again with ur spiders now to get it documented.

I'm keeping females, named them but unfortunately i didn't really write down when i capture them.
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Added on March 13, 2008, 12:35 pmThe passport surface is good coz the FS have a good grip def from being push back during attack. Can see from the great fight.. my FS can def/hold and lock each other well. With strong arm lock and strong footing, the FS can def very well from being attack by strong chops/bites.

Its my camera pda hp focus kinda slack coz if too near the quality will become box/blur abit.
Hard to see and record the fight at the same time. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:33 AM)
I used the rough side of the yellow paper, so they have pretty good grip. The reason i use the yellow paper is because it is yellow mah.. light background, better pictures. I also prop up a white paper for the white background. The passport u use seems to be working well, allowing good grip but not so good for filming cuz harder to see cuz not so good contrast.

Before the last fight between Bighead and Bigleaf, I fought him with ur spiders.. surely no injury from just pushing.
Yeah, they can die from injury or sheer exhaustion... same like wat u say, walk slowly and dont eat. Bighead however have been gradually moving slowly for many days, almost 3 weeks... even when i brought him to ur place the last time..he's already slow down alot. So, i think it is old age. Even before he got his abdomen ripped by Jack, he already seems not so active in his container(i put him in a huge container). When he was at his prime, everyday at least twice a day he will be out walking...and he can wander about in its cage for an hour or so. But guess is that Bighead when caught has probably changed skin not long ago..at most 1 week, cuz he was still light in color and lembek..lost to smaller Lumpy. I think FS can probably fight well after about 1 week or so after change skin. Example is Blurman. Maybe peaking after 1 month and the peak can last maybe 1 month to 2 months. After 2 and half months to after 3 months, their prime is over.
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Very sad to hear that....Bighead is the really big....Maybe next time got time go ur house and see ur collection....
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ok. I remember u said u caught one spider before. Wat happened to it?

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Ya.. show us the spider pic la Pitin.. we can hlp and chk wether its a spider Hantu or a FS.. tongue.gif
If its really a FS good lar can fight with Mindstorm or my FS. icon_idea.gif

Ok, today after work reach LRT station ard 6.30pm. While waiting for my Sister there, i go look for FS nearby a small shortcut lane behind where ppl use to walk to lrt station from shops nearby. There got some bushes and leaves which looks suitable for FS to make nest. Woila after search for abt 5 mins, saw 1 male FS! This type of leaf.

Attached Image (old pic my last time house garden FS on the same type of leaf)

I din bring any scissor to cut, so i use my penknife to cut the rear leaves.. abit worried the FS will jump/ran away. After carefully cut off the leaves, i bundle the FS into a plastic bag. tongue.gif
The FS seems not scared/panic when i cut the leaf.. saw me but jut went underneath the leaf only. Lucky me managed to catch 1 FS before go back home with my sister. rclxms.gif

After i reach home, i check the new FS.. looks quite average size. Same size like Xinan and Xonan. I name the new FS as Scorpio.
It got the same colour like Xonan/Archilles/Spartan! Light pale green colour. rclxms.gif

Here's Scorpio pics

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After dinner.. time to test whether Scorpio is a good FS onot. icon_idea.gif Scorpio seems like confident and strong type FS to me.
After some consideration.. i decided let it fight with Xinan coz Xonan yesterday injured, HOPE/Crossfire still not confident to fight well yet.

Wow.. Scorpio really can fight well!
1st round- Scorpio lost
2nd round fight till went underneath fighting ring . (Scorpio won! Xinan fell off from ring and climb up its web to continue fight back twice before i stop the fight !)
3rd round - Scorpio lost !

Good fight. Both FS not even kecut after 3 rounds of fight. Too bad the fighting ring quite small.. the FS fight till out from the ring. sweat.gif

I also let Kaizer vs Nexus. Nexus try to ambush Kaizer from behind but failed, Kaizer chop at Nexus left arm!
Nexus arm injured abit after the fight.

Check out the videos heres.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/17A1C04753222B6C

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 01:17 PM)
ok. I remember u said u caught one spider before. Wat happened to it?
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I found a fighting spider length 3cm at least!!!!! in Redang Island, dam huge and shining! unluckily i cant take it back. I wonder how big is the biggest fighting spider on earth?
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I found a fighting spider length 3cm at least!!!!! in Redang Island, dam huge and shining! unluckily i cant take it back. I wonder how big is the biggest fighting spider on earth?
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3cm??! Sure same species or not? Why can't u take back?

There are many spiders that look like the fighting spiders we have here but may not be the same species. 3 cm is really huge for a jumping spider.
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Walao, viper, LRT station there also u can find. Damn geng man u. People can see u ah? So many people around.
Scorpio looks like a young healthy male. Twice it was able to push Xinan off the stage in the second round. Pretty good fight.

Today i wanted to look for FS in the evening but drizzling. I went to the Puchong Leech land, but now... a lot of the wayside trees chopped away and the area where the ditch is all replaced by brick wall. That very place used to have a lot of females. Now gone. Anyway i just jalan jalan there and took one pic. Then i went back cuz i came out quite late also.

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My guess is sooner or later u'll get a good camcord huh? I bought mine for about 2k. Panasonic VDR-D250. I took long time to decide, researching months ahead and then finally trying it again and again at the shop with my sister and compare with other brand camcord. I bought it becuz of my wedding but when i test it, i'm thinking of shooting FS fighting!! haha! I found the Sony/JVC models focusing not as fast as the model i bought, there is a lag time before the sony/JVC camcord can focus when u move closer. I was thinking, "Walau, by the time it focus, spider fight already over leow." Also the Panasonic 3CCD technology, the colors are more natural. But most importantly it can shoot really close up(almost touching) and still can focus. I test it by trying to shoot small words or objects the size of a spider in the shop. haha! Some other models cannot. The HD Panasonic range cost 3K - 5K...too expensive. In the end, found this model to be best suited for FS filming and not too ex. Under good lighting, the close up is pretty good. Here's an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3qFrb-EKbU
But when shooting spider fighting cannot be so close la... chop one time and the spiders would be out of screen.

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I saw Spider Bandar like 50 cents size at Tasik Titiwangsa last time.
Damn big!, i saw oso got big shock! shocking.gif Spider Bandar is jumping spider species oso.. the normal one i saw at my house is only like 10 cents size or slight bigger. Saw oso Spider BESI like 20 cent !

I think FS oso got big ones... just tat we havent find yet.

Its a small lane near setiawang LRT .. got some ppl walk there.
Actually i just wanna survey tat place only yesterday but saw overlapping leaves,.. check check got 1 male FS inside.
When i see no ppl coming, i go cut the leaves fast ..lol. Got some ppl saw la.. but i dun bother them.. hahahah.. catch FS is more important.

Ya.. i got think want 2 buy a better camera or camcoder to record but think too expensive la.
Have to wait for u to record the FS fight better.. lol.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 14 2008, 12:37 AM)
3cm??! Sure same species or not? Why can't u take back?

There are many spiders that look like the fighting spiders we have here but may not be the same species. 3 cm is really huge for a jumping spider.
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Added on March 14, 2008, 11:41 amYa.. average size... not too small.. its size like Xonan just abit smaller than Xinan.

Scorpio got good fighting skill coz can continuously fight 3 round against Xinan.

Xinan ate alot good food now become quite big n strong FS. Can fight very well. rclxms.gif

Next time i'll let Scorpio fight with Xonan. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 14 2008, 01:35 AM)
Scorpio looks like a young healthy male. Twice it was able to push Xinan off the stage in the second round. Pretty good fight.
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My FS dead already lor....Male one dead...I think coz of eating ants....Coz my mum spray sheiltox....And maybe 'TER' spray until the ants and let my FS eat den coz dead....Female I let go d....But my FS color is light green+black....I confirm is FS....I dun have good camera....My chap camera MACRO very LOL wan.....hahaha

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Tonight fights

HOPE vs Crossfire (HOPE won)

HOPE and Crossfire seems more confident to fight already. rclxms.gif
Short fight only..but got improvement from previous fight. In 2nd round, HOPE managed to throw/flip Crossfire away n won !. icon_idea.gif

Kaizer vs Nexus (Kaizer won)
I feel Kaizer is a partial chop FS. It likes to chop alot at the start n during fight. When Kaizer chops, it will grab its opponent tightly and doesn't want to let them ran away!
Nexus kena chop n have to struggle hard to break away from Kaizer in 2nd round!

I got strong feeling Kaizer going to become a fearsome FS when it gets bigger. rclxms.gif
Its fierce fighting attack style really impressive. rclxms.gif

Heres the videos
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You guys really got "passion" in FS thingy, almost every fight also can elaborate til so0O long! Keng~
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QUOTE(White Palace @ Mar 15 2008, 01:13 AM)
You guys really got "passion" in FS thingy, almost every fight also can elaborate til so0O long! Keng~
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I adgree...They really have the passion....Now I think kids like me also dun like to play already lor....They all professional also like to play FS....Nowadays really hard to see this type of ppl...Really really admired them....Especially Mindstorm and Viper....still take video and all that.....Go through the jungle dun care how dangerous to only finding FS....Thats why I always share this 2guyz to my frens....And they will go youtube and see....Remember...When last time Bighead lost to Achiles?My fren all seems like so disapointed.....Coz bighead seems to be very big and always the king....Still remember got 1video keeping the foods for FS....That was amazing....I am wondering how they catch it.....U guyz keep it up!Dun ever give up ur hobby!
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I like 2 play FS coz amaze with its fighting skill ability. Last time when young i got play other normal spider oso.. but the spider just bite n kill direct.
Also got play fighting fish vs fighting fish, fighting fish vs toman fish, fight red ants with black ant (semut ipoh) etcs, grasshopper vs praying mantis.. etcs..lol tongue.gif I find FS is still the best. icon_idea.gif

I alwys wanted to play FS but bz with daily life activities, no kaki and its not easy to catch FS. Its when Mindstorm post his FS hunt experience, find challenger to fight his BigHead and his effort to get the FS hobby known to people here in LYN tat make me decided to play FS again. tongue.gif
I got experience catch FS and i feel can catch a stronger FS to fight with him tongue.gif I also wanted to share this amazing FS fight with people who haven't see or know abt FS cool2.gif

Ya.. the video fight for BigHead vs Archillies is really clear. It can show how FS fight clearly.
Thanks to Mindstorm coz got good camcoder.

There are still strong FS out there.. just need to put some effort and search at the right place.
If train the strong FS well, the FS can become a fearsome fighter and win alot of fights!

Some of the FS i caught are already excellent in fights. If i really train the FS hard i worry its opponent will badly injured in fight or die.
Mindstorm FS like Jack, SmallChops, KelapaSawit also already very fierce type.

I'm sure there are also more fiercer FS out there. Those really strong and fierce FS when fight will not let its opponent ran easily. It will lock its opponent arms during fight, push/carry, continuous launch strong chops to weaken its opponent and can injured them badly/kill them off in fights

I think only people who play FS have seen these type of fight before and know how to train their FS become a fearsome fighter.

Strong fighters normally have the desire to search/wanted to fight with other good opponent to improve their fighting skill and know who is the best fighter. Whether win or lose, its an honour to have the opportunity to fight with great fighters.

I think FS oso have the same fighting desire.. fight to become a better fighter beside just defending themself and teritory.

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QUOTE(pitinn @ Mar 15 2008, 12:49 AM)
I adgree...They really have the passion....Now I think kids like me also dun like to play already lor....They all professional also like to play FS....Nowadays really hard to see this type of ppl...Really really admired them....Especially Mindstorm and Viper....still take video and all that.....Go through the jungle dun care how dangerous to only finding FS....Thats why I always share this 2guyz to my frens....And they will go youtube and see....Remember...When last time Bighead lost to Achiles?My fren all seems like so disapointed.....Coz bighead seems to be very big and always the king....Still remember got 1video keeping the foods for FS....That was amazing....I am wondering how they catch it.....U guyz keep it up!Dun ever give up ur hobby!
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at home already rclxub.gif

worms!!!! cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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Hhaha.. why lar.

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tis thread is making me rclxub.gif

at home already rclxub.gif

worms!!!! cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Added on March 15, 2008, 11:01 pmWoah.. today at office i already plan for tonights FS fight. After dinner, i'm all set to let my FS fight.
Tonight fight is special coz i use a new fighting ring for the FS. It much bigger space, better grip coz its its Rat Padz gaming mouse pad. rclxms.gif
The surface is black but wat the heck.. as long the FS can have a proper grip during fight in a spacious fighting ring, they can fight much better!

Kaizer vs Nexus (Kaizer won)
Kaizer won with strong chops. Nexus try to fight back with some chops but still lost!

Xonan vs Scorpio (Xonan won)
Xonan won easily.. just arm pushing and few chops. Scorpio seems not interested to fight tonight.

HOPE vs Xinan (HOPE won!)

The best fight for tonight!! Damn fierce and awesome fighting skill display by HOPE and Xinan
Both FS attack with strong arm pushing, arm locks follow by chops swap position and push each other back.
Xinan attack with strong chops but HOPE defend well and managed to flip Xinan upside down twice!! but Xinan able to get back into proper footing and counter attack back with tight locks and chops!
At the 2nd time when HOPE managed to flip Xinan upside down again, Xinan do a surpise counter attack!!
Xinan swing while kena flip upside down to the side/behind HOPE and chop HOPE's left ARM!!! shakehead.gif

Xinan bite hard on HOPE's arm and don't want to let it go. Xinan attack is so fierce making HOPE unable to breakfree for quite some time shocking.gif
HOPE was caught in a very dangerous situation tat might caused its left arm to break! After some time tat seems endless and hopeless for HOPE, HOPE mustered all its strength managed to turn abit , lift its body and Xinan up, uses its right arm to attack and bite back at Xinan arm hard to breakfree. Xinan got panic, immediately attck with a strong chop and push HOPE away before retreat!

Both FS arm was injured but HOPE's left arm seems injured more. After both FS break free, Xinan and Hope still want to continue their fight but i decided to block/stop them from cont to fight.
I don't want my FS to get bad injury. After awhile, both FS seem ok already and their arm oso looks fine w/o bengkok or break. sweat.gif

I feel if both of the FS cont fight maybe Xinan got better chance to win but HOPE also might win coz Xinan got injured and exhausted as well after the fierce fight!

Damn fierce man.. Xinan and HOPE both are excellent FS.

FS fan should see 2nite FS fight video.

http://download.yousendit.com/776213BA68B66801

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Viper, in the earlier fight, Kaizer really looks like half chop. Very fierce. But he doesn't have the size to match Hope or Xinan huh?

In your today's fight, Kaizer and Nexus seems like good match but in the end, Kaizer consistently toppled Nexus. Kaizer certainly look like good fighter and in its prime too.

Walao! Incredible fight between Hope and Xinan! Lasted 30 seconds with the stall at arm bite lasting 18 seconds, more than half the time of the whole contact time. Damn, Hope could have lost its arm. With that strong arm bite and long hold, Xinan could have won if it was a bit more determined. Hope was already damaged badly while Xinan looks ok. Again another fight with the winner being more injured than the loser. If in the wild, maybe Xinan may encounter back Hope a short while later and finish him off, man! 18seconds is a long time... allowing a lot of Xinan's venom to be injected in. It's mighty lucky Hope's arm were strong enough to withstand that kind of wicked assault. Hope itself could have opt to break it off to save its own life. Wat a comeback. A..MA..ZING. shocking.gif

Crab. Your spiders fighting stamina is unmatched man. Taking the top 3 spots for time length of fight.
1. Archilles vs Spartan(post#183, page 10) - 46s
2. Xinan vs Xonan(post#276, page 14) - 33s
and now
3. Hope vs Xinan (post#293, page 15) - 30s
Great fighters and great matching!

Next is Bighead vs Archilles(post#135, page 7) - 22s
Fifth - Scareycat vs Pippy(post#146, page 8) - 17s

And at one time i thot anything above 5 seconds would be a good fight!


Here are some of the fights I had 2 days back. Didn't have time to upload it then.

Kelapasawit vs Redleaf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNJ3-TYZA8w
Can see Redleaf is chop but still no match for fierce Kelapasawit
Jack vs Kelapasawit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5-i01V8crw
Jack vs Smallchop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke5dZbnTxks
Lesson - Never fight big chop with small chop...duh!

I think having a variety of size for our spiders, will have a good match to fight them(yours with mine) huh?
So what is your ranking now, viper?

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QUOTE(pitinn @ Mar 15 2008, 12:49 AM)
I adgree...They really have the passion....Now I think kids like me also dun like to play already lor....They all professional also like to play FS....Nowadays really hard to see this type of ppl...Really really admired them....Especially Mindstorm and Viper....still take video and all that.....Go through the jungle dun care how dangerous to only finding FS....Thats why I always share this 2guyz to my frens....And they will go youtube and see....Remember...When last time Bighead lost to Achiles?My fren all seems like so disapointed.....Coz bighead seems to be very big and always the king....Still remember got 1video keeping the foods for FS....That was amazing....I am wondering how they catch it.....U guyz keep it up!Dun ever give up ur hobby!
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Haha! Thanks for your support. rclxms.gif Nice to know others can enjoy our passion. About giving up our hobby...hehe..hard to say. Sometimes may take a break, who knows, sometimes even a dog lover may give up keeping dog when their dog die or something more important in their life comes along.... That is why I decided to share this hobby on the net. Although i have no plans to stop keeping spiders now or future(but lots of weird plans to expand it actually), but just in case i or viper do for watever reason, hopefully someone can pick up where we left off. Otherwise, just enjoy our experience. thumbup.gif

Btw - Bighead won Archilles. No chance for rematch. Bighead did lose to 6leg and Jack.

Food for FS..Drosophila/Vinegar Fly/Fruit Fly. I didn't catch most of them. Only a few of them. The rest were brought up! Children of the first few ones.
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Holy shit... Jack rip Smallchops left arm apart! shocking.gif
Smallchop try to attack from behind but Jack was fast enuf 2 back off and immediately chop at SmallChop's left arm from the side!.

I don't agree you should let these 2 chop fS fight coz its size different and not fighting facing each other direct.
Smallchop is quite small if compare to Jack. Eventhough Smallchop is a fierce chop FS but Jack size is much bigger.
If smallchop and Jack fight face to face, maybe smallchop will not lost its left arm.. cry.gif

Actually i do like Smallchop fighting skill.. its fighting arm stance is very different and its brave enough to fight other bigger FS.
It can launch powerful chop and fight fiercely for short time. SmallChop attack is powerful and force its opponent fell off from the fighting ring and sometimes even both turn upside down. From previous fight Smallchop vs my other average young size non chop fs face to face, its still able to ran away easily when its opponent fight back. Most of the time, its my FS are at risk coz ur smallchop alwys aim its opponent arm when it chop.

For me, if want to fight FS, its better to give them a fair fight in terms of their size, fighting skill chop/fierce/non chop, good grip fighting surface
and most important the FS is not handicap or injured from other fights earlier.

Yesterday HOPE vs Xinan, when HOPE arm got chop, Hope also got bite back Xinan right arm and uses its right arm to push/attack Xinan few times.
The fight was too fast and cant really see well in the captured video.

After the fight Xinan right arm also injured, it become straight unable to bend for sometime. Can see in the video, Xinan arm also injured after the fight over. I didn't focus record in the video Xinan condition tat much coz i'm more worried about HOPE arm injury. Theres no liquid coming out from both FS arms. After sometime both FS arms back to normal position without any permanent or badly dmg. sweat.gif

From the fight, I feel Hope is much stronger coz able to flip Xinan upside down 2x and can push Xinan far backwards. HOPE also don't gave up even when its left arm got lock and bitten by Xinan. HOPE oso bite Xinan tightly and also uses it right arm to poke hit Xinan few times.

HOPE has regain its fighting confident after i release the female FS from its case. Really weird..
Crossfire also seems recover abit already.. yesterday i didn't let it fight coz want it to rest n recover faster.

Kaizer and Kaizen both quite small size like SmallChops.
Nexus is only slightly bigger abit than Kaizer and Kaizen. I only let them fight each other especially Nexus and Kaizer coz both can fight well.
Kaizen seems kecut most of the time.. just short arm push and ran alwys.

My FS Size from biggest to smallest

Average mature male FS. Size different abit only..
-Crossfire (quite fat)
-Hope, Xinan
-Xonan, Scorpio

Young male FS
-Nexus

Small male FS
-Kaizer, Kaizen


My current FS ranking
HOPE
Xinan
Xonan
Crossfire/Scorpio
Kaizer
Nexus
Kaizen (sparring FS alwys kena bully sweat.gif )

Actually i plan want to let Kaizer vs ur SmallChop in direct face 2 face fight coz Kaizer got good fighting skill. Too bad ur SmallChop already lost 1 of its arm n injured badly sweat.gif Not sure ur KelapaSawit FS size.. if its about small chop size maybe can fight.

My FS can fight long coz, i alwys let the same lvl/strong FS to fight each other on a good surface fighting ring.
Both FS can have a fair fight to show their superb fighting skill and fight to their maximum ability.
From FS fight also, i'll be able to know which FS is really stronger and good in fights.

For Archilles vs BigHead fight, I feel Archilles is a better fighter coz Archilles is in control and launch alot attacks on Bighead pushing it to bottom and top up back. Bighead was in defensive most of the time unable to hold Archilles strong push attacks and only able to do strong counter attack when being push to a higher position at top. Fighting at higher position give alot advantages to attack better and for me its quite unfair for the FS tat fight from lower position. Bighead was injured and exhauted after the fight but Archilles still in good fighting condition.
If continue to 2nd or round 3 fight, i feel Archilles will have much chance to finish off Bighead.

Eventhough Archilles lost in the one round fight, for me Archilles actually won coz it already display superb fighting skill and dominated the fight. Well tats my personal view la. nod.gif maybe some other FS fan also share the same view like mine. hmm.gif

From Archilles vs Spartan fight also shows both FS are very strong and can launch alot attacks.
Arm locking, strong pushing and strong defend/hold from both FS also much better than most other FS. rclxms.gif

Too bad my large FS cant have rematch n fight with BigHead before both died. If got chance to fight, i'll bet my FS will win. icon_idea.gif

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Added on March 17, 2008, 3:08 pmCheck out this morning FS fight! icon_idea.gif

Caught 2 new young male FS this morning and let them fight with Kaizer icon_idea.gif
Kaizer chop and lock tight its opponent. There is one fight where kaizer chop so hard till its opponent flipped upside down! Kaizer continue to lock its opponent tight and drag it backwards. The opponent is still in upside down position when kena dragged! Wow.. too bad i'm not fast enought to record the begining of the strong chop, can see abit middle and end part only. Kaizer is really a fierce n strong chop FS. Kaizer alwys start its attack with strong chop at its opponent face and try to do a tight arm lock before fight using normal arm pushing.

Crossfire vs Scorpio rclxm9.gif
Round 1 - Scorpio won
Round 2 - Crossfire won
Round 3 - Scorpio won
Round 4 - Crossfire won. (Scorpio retreat after step on different fighting surface rough to smooth hmm.gif )

Crossfire is slightly bigger than Scorpio. Crossfire seems can fight much better today.
Fight till both oso flip upside down tongue.gif
Good fight! rclxms.gif

None of my FS injured badly after the fight flex.gif

Check out today FS videos here.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/3770E40771AD30B8

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 16 2008, 11:22 AM)
Holy shit... Jack rip Smallchops left arm apart! shocking.gif
Smallchop try to attack from behind but Jack was fast enuf 2 back off and immediately chop at SmallChop's left arm from the side!.

I don't agree you should let these 2 chop fS fight coz its size different and not fighting facing each other direct.
Smallchop is quite small if compare to Jack. Eventhough Smallchop is a fierce chop FS but Jack size is much bigger.
If smallchop and Jack fight face to face, maybe smallchop will not lost its left arm.. cry.gif


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Link: http://download.yousendit.com/3770E40771AD30B8

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So you get to see a glimpse of what usually happen in the wild mah. Fair fighting is man-made. In the wild, FS may get chop from back, from side, from top(jump from another leave), inside nest, they may fight on vertical leave, upside down, may have third spider coming to chop after kena chop by first spider etc etc. Haha!
I'm also surprise arm get bit off, i was about to blow them seeing that jack like going to bite small chop body, where suddenly smallchop twist and its arm came off. shakehead.gif Jack is still living up to its name... as the ripper.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 16 2008, 11:22 AM)
For Archilles vs BigHead fight, I feel Archilles is a better fighter coz Archilles is in control and launch alot attacks on Bighead pushing it to bottom and top up back. Bighead was in defensive most of the time unable to hold Archilles strong push attacks and only able to do strong counter attack when being push to a higher position at top. Fighting at higher position give alot advantages to attack better and for me its quite unfair for the FS tat fight from lower position. Bighead was injured and exhauted after the fight but Archilles still in good fighting condition.
If continue to 2nd or round 3 fight, i feel Archilles will have much chance to finish off Bighead.

Eventhough Archilles lost in the one round fight, for me Archilles actually won coz it already display superb fighting skill and dominated the fight. Well tats my personal view la. nod.gif maybe some other FS fan also share the same view like mine. hmm.gif

From Archilles vs Spartan fight also shows both FS are very strong and can launch alot attacks.
Arm locking, strong pushing and strong defend/hold from both FS also much better than most other FS. rclxms.gif

Too bad my large FS cant have rematch n fight with BigHead before both died. If got chance to fight, i'll bet my FS will win. icon_idea.gif

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Well, i agree with you that Archilles and Spartan were better fighters than Bighead, Bighead never showed much chopping or manuveuring skills. He had size as its advantage, and probably a bit of stubborness for that one fight with Archie. When it was going backwards i thot it had already lost and getting ready to cabut. But somehow it used its last bit of strength for teeth grinding and got lucky.

Since we started documenting our FSs, to date here is, IN MY OPINION, the top fighters by rank and with reasons.
1. Spartan(viper) - Engaged in the longest fight, fought with a bigger opponent(Archilles) and Won!
2. Xinan(viper) - Engaged in 2nd and 3rd longest fight, although lost but quite badly injuring a bigger opponent(Hope)
3. Quietman(mindstorm) - Engaged in long fight(about 10s) - defending & chopping style, fought twice with bigger opponent(TooBig) and also won. Also win a lot of other fights.
4. Archilles(viper)- Lasted in longest fight and also lasted long with Bighead and showed great skill, but take 4rd place cuz did not win in both fights and also lost to slightly smaller Spartan.
5. Scareycat(mangrovejumper) - Engaged in exciting fast fighting 17s match with Pippy, and also making a comeback to fight again after dropping from stage in the fight with bigger Quietman.
6. Bighead(mangrovejumper/mindstorm) - Pretty good stats throughout its life but unfortunately did not show enough determination in a couple of fights against 6legs. Also not much impressive style. Pretty old school - push and direct chop.
7. Jack(mindstorm) - (chop) Unseen before fighting style i) jump over to bite abdomen tip with serious consequenses ii) chop until knock opponent upside down(twice). Unfortunately inconsistent.

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Round 1 was a good fight. There goes a double flip. Ding dong ranking between cross and scrop.. pretty equal. Kaizer is a chop after all. Fierce fighter, and another unique fight... drag opponent upside down!

Today i half day. Caught some new spiders today and some interesting photos. Later tonite i post up. Now i want to play ping pong. tongue.gif

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For me Archilles actually is as strong as Spartan in my FS list. Archilles is good at tight arm lock and chop push attacks.
There was only 1 fight 4 this 2 FS, if there's rematch.. i still think Archilles have higher chances to beat Spartan.
If Archilles vs Xinan? Xinan is way much smaller .. even smaller than Spartan.. dun think Xinan have high chances to beat Archilles.
Xinan arm is way much shorter sure kena grab lock tight.. like Jack vs Smallchop.. arm might just break if try run away by force when kena lock n chop..

You didn't list my other FS which i think also strong fighters
Crossfire - defeated Jack in fierce fight.
Hope - defeated Jack and even try to stop JAck from running away
Xonan - able to give a very good fight against Xinan.

I feel Jack only good for short fights, it just try to chop hard to injured its opponent n defeat them fast. If its oppponent managed to block Jack attack and lock its arm tight.. Jack will
ran away. Crossfire and Hope able to block Jack jump chop abdomen attack easily and i feel other strong FS will also able to do the same.
Jack have same fighting exit like Smallchop.. don't seem have the stamina or strenght to fight long.
So far, i feel Jack don't have any right fighting partners to have good fights, its opponent from your other spiders are way below its fighting level.. sure kena thrash badly.
If ur Bighead is still active and fast.. it sure can beat Jack.

For me to rank my FS, it will be based on
1) Size - arm width, bigger body abdomen, long legs, sharper big teeth..
2) Fighting techniques : fierce strong chop, good defend, flip, arm lock, push/swap position,
3) Stamina : can fight long and not exhausted easily or ran away fast, can lift n push hard,
4) Strong fighting will - can counter attack back even at a losing position.

From most of your FS fight video, i can see most of it attack using strong arm pushing and chops . Only few of the FS do arm lock, defend well and push..
Without arm lock, the FS will open itself for kena hit by strong chops and after kena chops hard few time sure ran away already.

From my FS fights video, most of the good fights are from same fighting level FS. The FS can have a proper good fight and cant just simply beat each other easily.

Good to know u have caught new FS today, hope there are some good FS tat can fight well.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 17 2008, 09:32 PM)
Since we started documenting our FSs, to date here is, IN MY OPINION, the top fighters by rank and with reasons.
1. Spartan(viper) - Engaged in the longest fight, fought with a bigger opponent(Archilles) and Won!
2. Xinan(viper) - Engaged in 2nd and 3rd longest fight, although lost but quite badly injuring a bigger opponent(Hope)
3. Quietman(mindstorm) - Engaged in long fight(about 10s) - defending & chopping style, fought twice with bigger opponent(TooBig) and also won. Also win a lot of other fights.
4. Archilles(viper)- Lasted in longest fight and also lasted long with Bighead and showed great skill, but take 4rd place cuz did not win in both fights and also lost to slightly smaller Spartan.
5. Scareycat(mangrovejumper) - Engaged in exciting fast fighting 17s match with Pippy, and also making a comeback to fight again after dropping from stage in the fight with bigger Quietman.
6. Bighead(mangrovejumper/mindstorm) - Pretty good stats throughout its life but unfortunately did not show enough determination in a couple of fights against 6legs. Also not much impressive style. Pretty old school - push and direct chop.
7. Jack(mindstorm) - (chop) Unseen before fighting style i) jump over to bite abdomen tip with serious consequenses ii) chop until knock opponent upside down(twice). Unfortunately inconsistent.
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Added on March 18, 2008, 12:45 amI let Crossfire fight Scorpio 2 round of fights in the morning and another 2 more round fights in the afternoon.
I feel this way is better coz the FS wont be too exhausted.

Ya, kaizer is a chop, but have the same fighting stance when see its opponent.
So far only Nexus able to give some good fight. I fed Kaizer everyday and its getting fatter abit but its chop attack is stll fast and arm lock is excellent.
Kaizer alway attck with chop and lock its opponent.. only Nexus able to def and force kaizer to fight with arm pushing sometimes.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 17 2008, 09:41 PM)
Round 1 was a good fight. There goes a double flip. Ding dong ranking between cross and scrop.. pretty equal. Kaizer is a chop after all. Fierce fighter, and another unique fight... drag opponent upside down!

Today i half day. Caught some new spiders today and some interesting photos. Later tonite i post up. Now i want to play ping pong.  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 18 2008, 12:35 AM)

You didn't list my other FS which i think also strong fighters
Crossfire - defeated Jack in fierce fight.
Hope - defeated Jack and even try to stop JAck from running away
Xonan - able to give a very good fight against Xinan.


For me to rank my FS, it will be based on
1) Size - arm width, bigger body abdomen, long legs, sharper big teeth..
2) Fighting techniques : fierce strong chop, good defend, flip, arm lock, push/swap position,
3) Stamina : can fight long and not exhausted easily or ran away fast, can lift n push hard,
4) Strong fighting will - can counter attack back even at a losing position.

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Yeah, after reviewing their fights i think Crossfire and Hope deserve a place too, possessing good counter moves against Jack. But Jack comes to mind first simply because of another spider...Bighead. Jack executed a technique that allows it to possible win a much bigger spider in an efficient time. With old school technique, Crossfire and Hope simply have no way of winning a big FS like Bighead. Their fights with Bighead was only pushing.

I guess our ranking criteria differ in one very obvious point. Size. As i have mentioned early in this tread, size difference is something to be eliminated when matching spiders. Of cuz, we cannot always have 100% same size spiders fighting. While you seem to see size as a plus point, i take size as a minus point! Not to say minus...but if a big spider loses to a smaller spider, the big spider's credit drops and the smaller spider's credit increases. However if a big spider wins a smaller spider, well...nothing to shout about cuz it is more or less expected. The rest of the points i agree with you. But obviously i have placed them in this order
1)Stamina
2)Strong fighting will
3)Fighting techniques
That's why those FS engaging in record time fights come out tops on my list. A long fight is an amazing show to watch simply because most fights are short ones. Even plakat(fighting fish) over generation has been bred for their stamina. The ones we buy can fight for 2 hours but wild fighting fish even in Thailand usually fight only about 15min. Of cuz in the wild, it is not advantages to fight that long...increases the chance of death...either by being preyed upon while fighting or easily preyed upon after fight because of injury or exhaustion.
And as in the fights between Hope/Crossfire with Jack, it can be seen stamina fighters can win simply by outlasting a technical fighter. In both fights, Jack manages to flip Hope/Crossfire and even carried Hope but Hope/Crossfire still flip back and carried on fighting to win! Having stamina is certainly a major factor in FS fighting.
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Today i went back to the place where i got 6leg, jack, smallchop. It is also the place where Bighead was caught by mangrove jumper. I wanted to try to get another "KingKong" breed as Singaporeans call it.

Reached at about 4.45pm. Once i got out of my car, i walked up a path and immediately a nest caught my attention...
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.. i looked up..holy shit...2 FS fighting!! Since they were quite deep in their nest and i dont carry my camcord around, i just watched them grapple and took some pics after the fight was over....
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damn...look wat happened to the loser...
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it was no longer moving so i took some pics and place it on a leaf so as not to waste the carcass....
the winner of cuz i took home smile.gif..Male no.1

After that i went to the place where 6leg was caught...in these type of leaves
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i comb the area...no luck...but i saw this...
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i squeezed the homeowner out... a hantu kuning female(Evarcha flavocincta)
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Later on, while i was searching among some lily plant, i saw another jumping spider,huge one which dropped...wah...look like a finger! I waited for a while, searching somewhere else, then i see back...this is wat it was... a Bavia sp
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As i was walking along a drain..i came across this...never see before toad resting on a leaf... under flowerpot got la
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Well, with so many predators around, not surprising those that survive around here have to be chop!! What a harsh world for the FS!

As i continue searching i saw a female wandering in the middle of a big leave...rare sight...usually the males wander..
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I continued my searched and found another 4 males...3 of their nest i took pics...
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I searched until about 6.30pm, and just as i was about to catch another male it then started to rain!
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I tried to catch it, it jumped out and i couldnt find it among the debris. Big drops were hitting me and i got desperate, but in the end failed to find it...
i didnt want to leave so soon and stood under a huge tree. The the rain got heavier and heavier...oh man...i'll be soaked wet again!! Anyway i then ran as fast back to my car which was quite near and went home...

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 17 2008, 11:50 AM)
i squeezed the homeowner out... a hantu kuning female(Evarcha flavocincta)
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Later on, while i was searching among some lily plant, i saw another jumping spider,huge one which dropped...wah...look like a finger! I waited for a while, searching somewhere else, then i see back...this is wat it was... a Bavia sp
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For some reason it's very hard to find hantu kuning males. The females used to be everywhere when I was a kid, living in lalang leaves that are rolled up.

That's a very nice Bavia. The large males (all black in colour) are among the largest jumping spiders I know of. They are also very strong jumpers...I've seen one jump about 2 feet.
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FS Size here for me should including as well all the other qualities i've mentioned earlier like good stamina, strong fighting will and excellent fighting techniques. A bigger FS which have all the qualities above will most likely dominate the fight and have higher chance to win if against other smaller FS which also have the same good qualities. If the FS size different only abit.. this could eliminate/reduce winning chance for the size advantage point. Of coz the bigger FS also need to be healthy not too old/weak or injured from fight, cant fight well etcs..

It not easy to find FS which both have the same good fighting qualities but if managed to get pair the FS fight as close possible, the bigger size will have better advantage in fight.

For me if FS get flip in fight there are possibility the FS want to move to a better fighting/attack position. When FS get locked/grap tight
by other FS arms, it will try to flip itself and its opponent upside down to breakfree. As long the FS able to continue and fight after the flip and not kecut/ran away the FS still a good fighter 4 me.

Wow.. ur new FS very ganas.. shocking.gif its opponent cant even ran away from the nest opening. The FS must have locked its opponent arm tight and attck with strong chop till exhausted n dead.. I see the dead FS arm oso breakoff but still cant escape? shocking.gif Fight in FS nest is definitely much more fiercer. Normally the loser will end up injured badly or dead if fighting against a much fiercer/strong male FS .

Looks like u a got a very very fierce FS liao. Summore u said its a killer chop.. shocking.gif
Its size bigger than Jack? If its abt Jack size..i bet Jack will have a hard time to win. hmm.gif
How about the other 4 male FS? Wow looks like u got alot of FS ready for fight liao.. thumbup.gif

Looking forward to see more of your FS in action soon. icon_idea.gif

Try match or get the same lvl FS to fight 2gether.. it'll be an exciting fight for sure. rclxm9.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 18 2008, 01:47 AM)
Yeah, after reviewing their fights i think Crossfire and Hope deserve a place too, possessing good counter moves against Jack. But Jack comes to mind first simply because of another spider...Bighead. Jack executed a technique that allows it to possible win a much bigger spider in an efficient time. With old school technique, Crossfire and Hope simply have no way of winning a big FS like Bighead. Their fights with Bighead was only pushing.

I guess our ranking criteria differ in one very obvious point. Size. As i have mentioned early in this tread, size difference is something to be eliminated when matching spiders. Of cuz, we cannot always have 100% same size spiders fighting. While you seem to see size as a plus point, i take size as a minus point! Not to say minus...but if a big spider loses to a smaller spider, the big spider's credit drops and the smaller spider's credit increases. However if a big spider wins a smaller spider, well...nothing to shout about cuz it is more or less expected. The rest of the points i agree with you. But obviously i have placed them in this order
1)Stamina
2)Strong fighting will
3)Fighting techniques
That's why those FS engaging in record time fights come out tops on my list. A long fight is an amazing show to watch simply because most fights are short ones. Even plakat(fighting fish) over generation has been bred for their stamina. The ones we buy can fight for 2 hours but wild fighting fish even in Thailand usually fight only about 15min. Of cuz in the wild, it is not advantages to fight that long...increases the chance of death...either by being preyed upon while fighting or easily preyed upon after fight because of injury or exhaustion.
And as in the fights between Hope/Crossfire with Jack, it can be seen stamina fighters can win simply by outlasting a technical fighter. In both fights, Jack manages to flip Hope/Crossfire and even carried Hope but Hope/Crossfire still flip back and carried on fighting to win! Having stamina is certainly a major factor in FS fighting.
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Hi guys,
how are you.
I am enthusiast for FS too.
I still remember when I was a child,
I always catch FS until crazy.
I think those kelapa, pineapple, tebu, keladi, tembakau, pandan, has one of the most ferocious FS.

Once upon a time, there was an uncle which had the best FS in our neighbourhood. the FS colour is black, head to body size ratio is high, huge and chop type.
He caught it in graveyard.
This kind of FS doesn't show any fighting stance much.
My brother and I went to nearby river and caught a blue FS.
But still this FS lost to the black one.
The black FS never lose a match. But due to old age, finally dead.

Some places has couple FS (male & female in same nest), or brothers FS. This FS is also strong and powerful.

Compared to murai, siamese fish, etc.
I still prefered FS.

May I know where u guys live/catch FS?
Someday I may visit u...
Guess what, eventhough I'm 29 yrs old., but my interest for FS is still burning.

I watched some of ur video clips. It was impressive.
Like those I caught years ago.
keep it up.
Thanks!

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QUOTE(ngkl99 @ Mar 18 2008, 08:10 PM)
Hi guys,
how are you.
I am enthusiast for FS too.
I still remember when I was a child,
I always catch FS until crazy.
I think those kelapa, pineapple, tebu, keladi, tembakau, pandan, has one of the most ferocious FS.

Once upon a time, there was an uncle which had the best FS in our neighbourhood. the FS colour is black, head to body size ratio is high, huge and chop type.
He caught it in graveyard.
This kind of FS doesn't show any fighting stance much.
My brother and I went to nearby river and caught a blue FS.
But still this FS lost to the black one.
The black FS never lose a match. But due to old age, finally dead.

Some places has couple FS (male & female in same nest), or brothers FS. This FS is also strong and powerful.

Compared to murai, siamese fish, etc.
I still prefered FS.

May I know where u guys live/catch FS?
Someday I may visit u...
Guess what, eventhough I'm 29 yrs old., but my interest for FS is still burning.

I watched some of ur video clips. It was impressive.
Like those I caught years ago.
keep it up.
Thanks!
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yo, nice to see another spider enthusiast... very rare now. How many years u play FS as a child?

Wah, graveyard FS. Some ppl say they fight better!

I stay in Puchong, M'sia. Viper stay in Setiawangsa, M'sia. Met him here. Mangrovejumper stays in USA but he comes back every couple of years for about 2 weeks and I go spider hunting with him. He was my classmate. Some others I dunno but mainly they just follow this tread.

How did you find this tread? Hey, if your place got, go catch some la and show us some pics or video. I very interested to watch FS from other places fight too. Never know, maybe got different style like some of the fighting styles we found out while we had this tread. If I didn't know viper, i wouldn't know got so many tricks he use on his spiders. We also share different opinions on keeping spider, and debate out some controversial practice or ideas.
Example
1. Feeding FS will make them grow big(IMO, abdomen yes la, but not the head)
2. Can training can make a FS fight better?
3. Letting FS drink fruit juice/blood make it fiercer?
4. Keeping male with female( Possible make male fiercer since in the wild we also see couple FS and usually the male can fight well)

Anyway, welcome. Hope you catch some to show us.

PS where do you stay?
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Ok, i named the new 5 males i caught. Aiyah, no kingkong breed. All quite small infact. Here i rank them.

Average size
Old FS
1.Joe
Young FS
2.Fairman
3.Brownie

Tiny
4. SmallDark
5. Destroyer(The winner of the 2 FS fighting in the wild)


Ceh... the winner of the wild fighting is only very small la. I let it fight SmallDark. 2 sort of avoid each other...but when smalldark move too close to Destroyer, Destroyer try to chop it... so Destroyer may be chop but not fierce like Smallchop. Smallchop when see from far will come all the way to chop.

Fairman vs Brownie - Fairman won with push
Joe vs Fairman - Joe won with a couple of chops. Joe is a chop!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN_J-ANe6M4

Here is Joe
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Next is to fight Joe with my old FS. I choose Kelapasawit.
Holycow!!! NEW RECORD TIME!!! 48 seconds!!!
They fought almost same style like Viper's FS. Armlocking and alot of teeth grinding!! Joe style is like Jack(maybe Jack's brother)! He tried to do the jump over but missed! Watch it to believe it! doh.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgxzZNWka_I


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 18 2008, 12:14 PM)

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This is not the daun sirih u showed me la. This is wild pepper plant. One of FS favourite.
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Hi.

I'm also 29 this year leh.. lol. tongue.gif
What i heard from those old uncles and aunties tat play fs, they told me most of the big, strong n fierce FS can be found at Kelapa Sawit plantation...but the fiercest and strongest FS according to them are from swamp area.. those leaf near paya area. They also told me if fight with those FS caught from lily, pandan, sirih, hibiscus leaves sure die or injured badly when fight with the kelapa Sawit / Swamp FS. shocking.gif

Tonight i let Kaizer vs Nexus. Another great fight tat last more than 22 secs.
I think its close to 30 secs+/- coz I missed the 1st few seconds fight when Kaizer launch chop fast .. doh.gif + summore lost few more seconds during middle of recording when my pda hp battery weak and got pop up warning msg to charge the battery.. miss alot of good fighting scenes. Dang! doh.gif

I let Nexus spar with other weaker FS for few minutes before let it fight with Kaizer. After win many rounds of fight, Nexus seems more confident to fight with Kaizer. icon_idea.gif
Both FS fight fiercely.. Kaizer launch alot of powerful chops but Nexus also counter with tight arm locks and also chop back few times. Kaizer chops attack is more powerful and in the end, Nexus gave up n retreat. After the fight, Kaizer seems quite exhausted and drink alot water. This is the first time Nexus able to give a very long fight, able to defend from strong chops n manage to do counter attk many times at Kaizer. rclxms.gif

This proves that with some simple trainning the weaker FS can become a better and stronger fighter. rclxms.gif

Kaizer (Chop) vs Nexus (Normal). Normal FS with proper fighting technique and stamina can fight with chop!

Heres the fight video
http://download.yousendit.com/41D1B05117DC1CB6

Kaize exhausted and thirsty after fight.
http://download.yousendit.com/625D649C354525CA


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QUOTE(ngkl99 @ Mar 18 2008, 08:10 PM)
Once upon a time, there was an uncle which had the best FS in our neighbourhood. the FS colour is black, head to body size ratio is high, huge and chop type.
He caught it in graveyard.
This kind of FS doesn't show any fighting stance much.
My brother and I went to nearby river and caught a blue FS.
But still this FS lost to the black one.
The black FS never lose a match. But due to old age, finally dead.

Some places has couple FS (male & female in same nest), or brothers FS. This FS is also strong and powerful.

Compared to murai, siamese fish, etc.
I still prefered FS.

May I know where u guys live/catch FS?
Someday I may visit u...
Guess what, eventhough I'm 29 yrs old., but my interest for FS is still burning.

I watched some of ur video clips. It was impressive.
Like those I caught years ago.
keep it up.
Thanks!
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 18 2008, 11:38 PM)
Hi.


I let Nexus spar with other weaker FS for few minutes before let it fight with Kaizer. After win many rounds of fight, Nexus seems more confident to fight with Kaizer. icon_idea.gif
Both FS fight fiercely.. Kaizer launch alot of powerful chops but Nexus also counter with tight arm locks and also chop back few times. Kaizer chops attack is more powerful and in the end, Nexus gave up n retreat. After the fight, Kaizer seems quite exhausted and drink alot water. This is the first time Nexus able to give a very long fight, able to defend from strong chops n manage to do counter attk many times at Kaizer.  rclxms.gif

This proves that with some simple trainning the weaker FS can become a better and stronger fighter.  rclxms.gif

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I think i agree that letting a FS fight weaker FS before the real match will actually cuz it to fight longer. Confidence training.

Nexus chop quite a bit too, but looks like Kaizer chop 3 times at the end and although nexus chop back twice it still run.

Incredible fight. Lots of manuveuring/position swapping/choping.
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Not daun sirih? looks like daun sirih 2 me ..this is wat i posted last time.

QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 30 2008, 01:55 PM)
Nope. This is the daun sirih which i used to catch the spider in skool.

http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirih

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 18 2008, 11:33 PM)
This is not the daun sirih u showed me la. This is wild pepper plant. One of FS favourite.
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Added on March 19, 2008, 7:58 pmFuuyoh...long fight. icon_idea.gif
At the beginning Joe seems like try to jump away and escape. Joe managed to jump over Kelapa Sawit but still forced to fight. hmm.gif

Joe and KelapaSawit looks almost same size and both can fight very long. rclxms.gif
KelapaSawit is more fiercer and stronger, can see most of the time Joe kena lock , lifted up and kena chop.
Joe try to ran away after kena lifted but KelapaSawit lock him tight and push hard till Joe's legs twisted. sweat.gif

This is a good matching fight. If a bigger fs vs a much smaller FS, the small FS legs or arms sure break off ady kena chop.
Bigger FS have stronger arm locks and its chop is more deadly.

I check my FS today, all seems very active today. Looks like all have recover from injury and ready to fight again. rclxm9.gif

Nexus look much bigger in size coz eat alot, its bigger than Kaizer. Kaizer oso eat alot good food but still quite small size. tongue.gif
I sense Nexus might be able to win Kaizer soon coz of its size and strong fighting will.
Nexus oso recover very fast fight and ready to fight most of the time.

FS Size

HOPE, Xinan and Crossfire (strong fighters)
Xonan Scorpio and Nexus (Nexus - about same size like Scorpio ady)
Kaizer - hmm... still like 5 sen size tongue.gif big likes to chop alot in fights

Now i got 7 FS tat can fight well. icon_idea.gif

Too bad, not many ppl got play FS nowdays.. i'm looking for more strong and fierce FS to fight.
If can fight with those Kelapa Sawit big FS or Swamp Big FS, it will be great. Or Graveyard FS oso can lar as long not Spider Hantu.. tongue.gif

Last time in my skol, some of my friends got 2-3 King FS, sometimes have try defeat his lower ranking FS before can fight with the strongest FS.
Most of my friend's FS oso quite good. Alwys got good FS fights to see and easily look for ppl to fight FS.

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Here is the Bavia nest....first time i see it....including the one when i caught it....
It's not eating the small flies i give it, tomorrow got to find something bigger for it.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 19 2008, 12:13 AM)
Not daun sirih? looks like daun sirih 2 me ..this is wat i posted last time.

Added on March 19, 2008, 7:58 pmFuuyoh...long fight. icon_idea.gif
At the beginning Joe seems like try to jump away and escape. Joe managed to jump over Kelapa Sawit but still forced to fight. hmm.gif

Joe and KelapaSawit looks almost same size and both can fight very long. rclxms.gif
KelapaSawit is more fiercer and stronger, can see most of the time Joe kena lock , lifted up and kena chop.
Joe try to ran away after kena lifted but KelapaSawit lock him tight and push hard till Joe's legs twisted. sweat.gif

This is a good matching fight. If a bigger fs vs a much smaller FS, the small FS legs or arms sure break off ady kena chop.
Bigger FS have stronger arm locks and its chop is more deadly.


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Different leaves la. Wild pepper is on the ground, and soft leaves. Daun sirih i also saw before, but is a creeper and hard leaves.... i havent catch FS in daun sirih before though....

The fight is long cuz much arm locking... prolongs the time...and Joe wasnt that active in the fight too...just holding on... i think ur spiders long fight more exciting.



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Bighead mated with 3 females althougher. 1st and 3rd one i think is virgin. 2nd one actually lay eggs before. The first 2 females that mated Bighead laid eggs on the plant i gave it. But when i finally take out the females..the eggs are gone!! Eaten! shit! Really dissapointed. All the time in the container got fruit flies. Seems like FS females easily eat eggs on slight disturbances...
3rd female still pregnant, quite fat now...

1st female is small, no eggs nevermind
2nd female is a huge dissapointment...big and fierce
3rd female, also big, almost like 2nd but dunno fierce or not.

4 challenges to breeding
1. Not mating
2. Female eat eggs
3. Not hatching
4. Growing the lings

Because of these challenges, i have set policies to address them one by one.

1. Use a safe way for force/arranged mating... gurantee to select good genes
2. Remove female once lay eggs
3. Still testing.. dunno wheather will hatch or not....
4. Breed a small type of food for the lings...

Here's a clip on arranged mating...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6emncJ23UM

Now i am having 4 batches of eggs from various females i caught. None of them are from top fighting males i have. I keep them to try to hatch and grow the lings.
The last pics are a batch of eggs which i accidently dropped the container on the floor!! The eggs shifted position...wonder are they damaged or not. See wheather hatch or not...
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I also noted the 2nd female toke about 28 days after mating before laying eggs...unlike an earlier female...18 days...gestation periods seems to vary......

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Wow, creative idea to tie string on the female FS for arrange mating with males. rclxms.gif

I'm more interested in FS fights than breeding them biggrin.gif.
Hope can get to see more strong and fierce FS fight.

Some of the FS fights tat i like rclxms.gif

Archilles vs BigHead (Large FS fight)
Archilles vs Spartan (superb strong fight)
Spartan vs Pandan (fight till teeth broke)
X2 vs Smallchops (damn strong and powerful chops by smallchops)
Lily2 vs Jack (strong fighting will against a chop)
HOPE vs Jack (great fight and block enemy from running)
X vs X2 (fighting in the air)
Xinan vs Xonan (Great fight with tight Arm lock)
Kaizer vs Nexus (strong fighting will)
HOPE vs Xinan (ARm bitting suspense)

I also like to train my FS and identify which FS have good potential to become a good fighter base on its fighting skill, fighting will and strength.
Just some simple training like basic sparring only coz nowdays don't have much time oso coz working.

Some of my FS seems getting much fiercer and stronger in fights nowdays especially HOPE, XINAN and Crossfire. rclxms.gif
After fight in several fierce fight with good FS, I notice my FS show more fierce fighting stance position and likes to chop more.
Some FS tat lost in fights after rest 1-2 days also become more active and stronger!

Xinan was a very good example, last time known as X2 used to be very low ranking FS tat alwys lose.. now become a fearless fighter tat win alot of fights n can even give HOPE a very strong fight!

My other FS like Xonan, Scorpio, Nexus and Kaizer also shows alot improvement in their fights. rclxms.gif

Any new challenger to fight with my FS? tongue.gif

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As i've wrote earlier, i noticed my FS very active these few days. Actually i've start to do special training for my FS especially HOPE, Xinan, Crossfire and Nexus to fight better.
After i saw wat Jack did to Smallchops .. i feel i need to prepare my FS well if want to fight JACK or other chop FS ! Somemore Mindstorm FS like KelapaSawit, RedLeaf, Joe and Destroyer
all also got chop attack skill.

After few days of training, I can see my FS fighting patterns chg and improve alot!!
Didn't let my top rank FS fight each other coz worried might get injured badly.. but no challenger to fight to test my FS..

In office today, i plan n decided to test fight Crossfire vs Xinan 2nite ..to confirm whether my FS has become a greater fierce fighter.
Cant wait already coz no other new FS to fight except my own FS.. tongue.gif

Holy Shit!!...Wat i sense comes true, my FS attack with strong chops today. !!!! shocking.gif

Kaizer vs Noname (Noname is same size like Kaizer)
Kaizer won with powerful CHOP attack!

Xonan vs Scorpio
2round fights. Zonan won. Short fights only.. this 2 FS i din train them.. tongue.gif

Xinan vs Crossfire
Crossfire won!!! Xinan was not ready to fight coz looking upwards to my camera hp.. dang.
Crossfire attack was fast and Xinan was caught by surprise!
Xinan right arm was injured after the fight sweat.gif
If Xinan saw Crossfire earlier, Xinan will also do the same attack like Crossfire did. Xinan will also be able to def and counter attack back.

You got to see how Crossfire fight in the video. Damn fast and very fierce attack! .. sweat.gif
Lucky Xinan arm is strong and able to breakfree.. if other FS sure KO liao... shakehead.gif

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/2F5E902954100157

I wanted to let HOPE to fight Crossfire but.. HOPE still eating a big light bulb insects .. still don't let go its yummy food even after Crossfire won..
If fight face to face..it will be a very fierce fight. i also not sure whether HOPE still can win onot coz .. Crossfire is bigger abit than HOPE.

Yesterday HOPE also wack its sparring opponent kaw kaw at the start of the fight till both fell down from the fighting ring to the floor. HOPE still bit on to its opponent tightly even after fell to the floor! Its sparring partner kena wack till very exhausted and weak. Lucky it able to breakfree and ran away.

I didn't record video coz its just training. Just took pic only.
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All these high rank FS has become very fierce and can do very strong attack !

I feed my FS well.. didn't let them starve. Heres a juicy fat mosquitoe tat i feed my FS yesterday.
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Yes, those were great fights.

Did u record when u catch all ur spiders? Maybe they're all in their peak now. Great time to fight them.

I also like to see fighting than breeding. Afterall, breeding FS is just a means to an end. The end is to have good fighters fighting. Breeding is for the long haul. It takes more effort, a bit more money to get more apparatus, and because this is something not done before.. need to think through wat to do or create, and most importantly is to have lots of patience! Anyway, i like breeding animals/fish since young, so i'm happy if i see my pets reproduce.

Wah, u fighting ur FS everyday! Crossfire seems like chop leow...see Xinan, straight chop. Also Hope seem to be eating the sparring partner in the picture! Arm twisted backwards...
Which FS did Kaizer chop in the clip? Seems like wiping blood on the planform after the chop...

Your FS seems like getting fiercer and fiercer...

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QUOTE(ngkl99 @ Mar 18 2008, 08:10 PM)
Compared to murai, siamese fish, etc.
I still prefered FS.
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You got play murai before? Where? I also got keep before long long time ago. Now still got 2 places i know in seremban ppl play murai...a lot of them...everyday morning they sure there. Weekends most crowded. Once a while, they will play FS too.

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hi guys
how r u doing?
i 12 answer some Q
now i stay in kajang
no time to catch FS lar, need working
how bout u guys? working? studying?
when i was small, i lived in kampar, perak (rural area)
u ever caught spider besi (the one looked like tank),
i guess it's female rite?
because male has longer hands n more masculine looking.
this spider besi is not fighting, but biting enemy!
so i think FS is better in terms of fighting skill and style.
Another type is brown color, fat butt, scary looking one.
live in dry leave. also biting type.
be careful though, it has poison because once bite enemy,
they will die later.
Somehow I was poisoned by this spider,
eventhough didn't bite me.
Skin itchy, couln't cure by docs,
need ayurveda medicine to cure finally.

mango FS is brave also.
previously i mentioned tambakau, sorry wrong.
shud be sirih.
chop type FS usually do not have home/nest,
because they always cari makan.

i want to visit u guys to c ur collections and fight sometime..
could u tell me ur address?

how about some FS hunting if possible?
what to prepare? many mosquito?

i agreed wit ur theory that FS is bigger near water area.

did u successfully breed FS?

it's very good if u give FS food such as baby FS,
that will make them stronger,
but don't give female baby FS, that makes them weaker.

thats all 4 now.

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QUOTE(ngkl99 @ Mar 21 2008, 05:55 PM)

i want to visit u guys to c ur collections and fight sometime..
could u tell me ur address?

how about some FS hunting if possible?
what to prepare? many mosquito?

i agreed wit ur theory that FS is bigger near water area.

did u successfully breed FS?

it's very good if u give FS food such as baby FS,
that will make them stronger,
but don't give female baby FS, that makes them weaker.

thats all 4 now.

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When you want to come or when i go visit viper then i'll let u know la. I can pm you. Viper and me both working la, so only play FS when we come back and have time.

Yeah, FS hunting would be good, i prefer go 2 or 3 or 4 people...can go more daring places. Also much faster to comb an area. If got a lot of ppl, better to go places like estate...wide area. Things to prepare i wrote in post#17, page 1. Sure many mosquitoes la...FS places. That's why nowadays not many ppl play FS. If want to go together must plan one whole day... r u working? Wat days are ur off days?

Breeding FS is tough. Still trying. I think it is well worth it if can find a successful way.

Give FS baby as food for adult FS?? Wah, like that also can ah? I definately have seen big FS eat small FS.. cannabalism is normal in the world of spiders/insects. But i never think as to purposely give them as food. And how can you possibly know what sex is a baby FS?? This is certainly new to me! I wonder wat does viper and mangrovejumper think abot this.
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 22 2008, 09:57 AM)
Give FS baby as food for adult FS?? Wah, like that also can ah? I definately have seen big FS eat small FS.. cannabalism is normal in the world of spiders/insects. But i never think as to purposely give them as food. And how can you possibly know what sex is a baby FS?? This is certainly new to me! I wonder wat does viper and mangrovejumper think abot this.
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Just keep the spiders healthy by giving them enough food, water and sunlight, and they will be at their best.
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Ya.. Spider Besi is oso a good killer spider. Its oso stronger than Spider Bandar. Got bigger teeth and also chop n kill other spiders.
I think feeeding baby spider here means, young spider. SOme ppl who play FS belief if feed other FS to their King FS, whenever it fight, their KING FS will alwys want to kill its opponent.

I agree different type food will hlp FS to become a bigger and stronger fighter.
Most FS normally eat ants, there are some that that hunt bigger insects and these FS are normally much bigger and stronger. That is why i prefer to fed my FS with bigger flies or other bigger insects. I can see the FS will become bigger and stronger.. good example here are my FS XInan... last time used to be average size.. now. BIG and strong like HOPE and Crossfire.. HOPE and CROSSFIRE oso now much bigger than last time.

I oso dun feel if a FS is big or fat will make it weaker in fight... i fed Crossfire with fat insects and give training.. when fight time, it also very fierce and strong.


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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 23 2008, 08:05 AM)
Yeah I don't know about cannibalism.  Other species of spiders maybe, but not smaller FS.  I've never seen the fighting ability of FS affected by the food, so I don't believe in it.  However, your point of the fighting ability peaking at a certain period in the adult life of a FS is a good one.  I think some of Viper's training techniques are effective too.  At other times you just have to get lucky and catch one with a never quit attitude.  At the end, size matters the most.

Just keep the spiders healthy by giving them enough food, water and sunlight, and they will be at their best.
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omg now still got ppl play fighting spider?like to catch it last time..but donno whether it can be find or not now..
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Here are some pics of my FS taken last week Thursday.

Kaizer
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Xinan
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Today came back from outstation work, abit tiring but still want to play FS. tongue.gif

Lotsa fierce fight this evening.

Kaizer vs Nexus (estimated time 50 secs+/- coz my PDA hp video hang awhile after got sms)
KAIZER lost! Kaizer try to chop at the start but was hamper down by some web. Kaizer chops many times but Nexus which is slighty bigger are much stronger and fight back with alot strong chops and use its arm to lock at the same time attack Kaizer arms and legs! Nexus also able to lift Kaizer few times and continuous bites fiercely. The fight is so intense as both FS attack fiercely wih chops and uses their arms to poke and lock each other. Kaizer kena attack badly and at one time almost like going to die/kena makan not moving liao in the fight. Nexus try to finish of Kaizer in the end but Kaizer made some last effort chop attack before retreat. (this is the part missing in the video.. damn my hp sux! doh.gif ) Kaizer was injured quite badly in the fight especially its legs and abdomen. There are some liquid/FS blood on the fighting rings.. lotsa bittings/chops from both FS.

This is what i've said earlier a bigger FS will have a better chance to win in fight when fighting a smaller FS. Bigger FS with bigger arms and stronger bites will dominate the fight even its opponents try its best to attack back. I've sensed Nexus will going to win Kaizer last time and finally today Nexus won in a fierce fight!

HOPE vs CROSSFIRE. (estimated time close to 40 secs, miss the earlier attack part)
The fight that i'm eager to see. Strong and fierce FS fight:idea:
HOPE won! rclxms.gif
I didn't managed to record the start of the fight coz Crossfire chop was too fast.! Crossfire launch a strong fierce chop attack at HOPE in the beginning but was flipped upside down! Both FS was grabbing and attack each other at very close range! After some time, Crossfire able to recover back to normal position and try to chops push HOPE to rear of the ring but HOPE also keep attacking with CHOPS and chg position forcing Crossfire to the rear and under the fighting ring instead!. Crossfire put some fight back and move up. After exchanging fierce chops, both fs fell off from the fighting ring and continue to fight in the AIR! The fight in the air was quite short, can see both FS grab and bite each other fiercely. (I tot.. habislah..either one of my FS kena makan or injured badly) Finally Crossfire fell off from the web. Crossfire seems exhausted and stun for few secs. If both FS fight on the fighting ring, the fight will be much more longer coz both of my FS are very strong fighter type. I think if both HOPE and CROSSFIRE fight on the ring.. the fight can last more than 1 minutes.. both FS are about the same size and both are damn strong!

Strong and fierce FS can fight quite long coz both FS want to win the fight. I've told Mindstorm before tat the longest FS fight is fight till either one of the FS dead or the fight can last about 1 minutes++ not just few secs. Its possible if can find a good match FS to have a fair fierce fight.

Xonan vs Scorpio
Xonan won. Short fight but can see both FS chops each other few times before Scorpio retreat.
Good fight.


None of my FS got broken legs or arms after their fights today. sweat.gif
In a balance and well matching fight normally the FS will only exhausted and suffer some injury. The FS will recover very fast and able to fight again soon. rclxms.gif

Here are all the exciting FS fight video for today.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/6A8D93E27BEA2560

My latest FS ranking

HOPE
CROSSFIRE
XINAN
XONAN
SCORPIO
NEXUS
KAIZER

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Lol.. ya.. still got ppl play... not many.. currently in LYN.. only me and Mindstorm. tongue.gif
Still got FS out there..just need to spend some time to identify the location and search for the FS. icon_idea.gif

Share some of ur interesting FS experiences. Tat would be nice.


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QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Mar 23 2008, 03:49 PM)
omg now still got ppl play fighting spider?like to catch it last time..but donno whether it can be find or not now..
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Viper, as your FS fight more, the fights get longer and longer. Seems like all experienced and no longer kecut so easily.

First of all i must say that the white platform u are using now is the best... pls keep using this platform...best video quality by far(esp Nexus and Kaizer).

Nexus vs Kaizer was a great fight to watch. I am amazed at the size difference between Nexus and Kaizer...quite a big difference, and Kaizer can fight that long against Nexus! Damn...either Kaizer is damn tough or Nexus is just not fierce enough. Shit, Kaizer fight until kena knocked out!!! rclxub.gif NEVER see before man...like u said...suddenly like mati already. I recorded the fight from start till knock out is 33s. Until ur hp putus is about 41s. How long more did they fight? It's unlucky u have no recording to back up ur claim of over 50+s fight. Otherwise record time! Knockout time about 7s when Nexus woke Kaizer up again by biting it somemore. Damn. What can your FS do next??

Ur FS
1. Fight on tread
2. Get flipped and fight again to win
3. Drag opponent
4. Get knocked out
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Hope vs Crossfire....again i'm shocking.gif! Both FS damn fierce especially at the start of the clip. Again fighting on tread, and armlocking on tread too(i think, a bit blur that time cuz maybe ur hp too near). Excellent fight. Crossfire stun also after fight.

Xonan and Scorpio also a great fight, 10s.. but now against all top fights we have seen so far... really kena overshadowed. But still good fight to watch.

Seems like your FS if not injured or knocked out in fight also won't want to stop fighting.

To me, these fighting clips are priceless.

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Here are some mix fights i had today and 4 days back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK0-9l7qBn4


Remember Bro1? He's been with me for a long time now...Used to be arch rival of Topman. Topman is still with me...but old already and cannot fight well. Bro2 and Bro1 was caught same place and changed skin same day. But Bro2 died after about a month. I didnt mention it. That time i think maybe it died becuz malnutrition...i was keeping too many FS and i didnt rear flies that time. But i wasnt sure cuz it was not eating well before it died. I was keeping it on a big container with a leaf on the floor of the container. So the dead insects and faeces also on the floor. I think that condition is not healthy for the Bro2 becuz close contact with faeces...maybe cuz him to be sick and died. Now still keeping Bro1, pass 3 months already. After changed skin is about coming 3 months...Bro1 is old man now.
20/12/07 - caught Bro1
26/12/07 - Bro1 changed skin

11/02/07 - caught Kelapasawit

I mentioned this before, the 3rd clip is between Bro1 and Kelapasawit where Bro1 won.
16/02/08 - Bro1 vs Kelapasawit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlAXqI5ky1Y
Bro1 is slightly bigger in terms of leg span than Kelapasawit. Mangrovejumper did asked me to fight them again.

I did but on the 10/03/08! Short fight only...Kelapasawit won.

Bro1 didnt fight for a long time...a week or so. Kelapasawit last fight was on 19/03/08, got trashed by Jack again.
Today, 23/03/08, i dunno why i thot of fighting them again.
Bro1 chop straight! Bro1 become chop already? But Kelapasawit stood ground and bounce Bro1 off. Then KS somehow was good at keeping a distance and counter by bitting arm of Bro1 and not letting go twice(first right then left).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ790On3hX8


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 23 2008, 10:30 AM)
Here are some mix fights i had today and 4 days back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK0-9l7qBn4
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Looks like you converted your spiders to chop? It is truly the chop era. Any ideas on what you did that converted them?
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Yeah.. sparring fight will makes FS more experienced and ready to fight better.
The white platform is dell mouse pad.. not really good grip surface if compare to the black platform i use. In Xonan vs Scorpio fight, can see both FS can def from chops /push well.

Yeah.. i 've told bfr Nexus is bigger abit than Kaizer. Nexus have strong fighting will and not kecut easily in fight. Previously Nexus alwys lost to Kaizer but ready to fight after 1-2 days. I can see Nexus is a good sparring partner for Kaizer and got good potential to become a good fighter as well. I've let Nexus spar with other weaker FS few times before fighting KAizer and the result is very good. In yesterday fight, Nexus also easily defeated its sparring partner. When fight with Kaizer time, i think there are some web around the platform .. causing Kaizer chop attack slow down.. its left arm seem stuck abit also.

Kaizer damn tough or Nexus not fierce enuf? rclxub.gif
Kaizer is a fierce chop FS... can see in the fight Kaizer keeps on launch fierce chop attcks. Nexus also very fierce in yesterday fight.. it uses its SIZE advantage and fight fiercely also. Nexus also chops many times. Nexus able to lock , lift and attack Kaizer arms and legs many times.. The fight is so fierce man.. both FS fight well. Nexus won coz its fighting skill has improved alot and having a bigger size and strong fighting will helps to win the fight. Kaizer fight well yesterday but just couldn't out last Nexus stronger strength and stamina.

Yeah.. can add to the list my FS also chops attack from platform till both fall to the floor. HOPE, CROSSFIRE and XINAN are very strong fighters.. when they spar with other FS... their opponent normall fall off from the platform. Like HOPE tat day.. chop till both fall down onto the floor.. CROSSFIRE chops also damn fierce.. injured XINAN.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 24 2008, 01:24 AM)
Viper, as your FS fight more, the fights get longer and longer. Seems like all experienced and no longer kecut so easily.

First of all i must say that the white platform u are using now is the best... pls keep using this platform...best video quality by far(esp Nexus and Kaizer).

Nexus vs Kaizer was a great fight to watch. I am amazed at the size difference between Nexus and Kaizer...quite a big difference, and Kaizer can fight that long against Nexus! Damn...either Kaizer is damn tough or Nexus is just not fierce enough. Shit, Kaizer fight until kena knocked out!!! rclxub.gif  NEVER see before man...like u said...suddenly like mati already. I recorded the fight from start till knock out is 33s. Until ur hp putus is about 41s. How long more did they fight? It's unlucky u have no recording to back up ur claim of over 50+s fight. Otherwise record time! Knockout time about 7s when Nexus woke Kaizer up again by biting it somemore. Damn. What can your FS do next??

Ur FS
1. Fight on tread
2. Get flipped and fight again to win
3. Drag opponent
4. Get knocked out
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Hope vs Crossfire....again  i'm shocking.gif! Both FS damn fierce especially at the start of the clip. Again fighting on tread, and armlocking on tread too(i think, a bit blur that time cuz maybe ur hp too near). Excellent fight. Crossfire stun also after fight.

Xonan and Scorpio also a great fight, 10s.. but now against all top fights we have seen so far... really kena overshadowed. But still good fight to watch.

Seems like your FS if not injured or knocked out in fight also won't want to stop fighting.

To me, these fighting clips are priceless.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 24 2008, 08:52 AM)
Looks like you converted your spiders to chop?  It is truly the chop era.  Any ideas on what you did that converted them?
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Just fight them only mah. Actually Joe, smallchop and Destroyer are all chops went i caught them. Jack was the first convert but by which spider? No chop before Jack. You saw how it fought like normal spider in the beginning. Then suddenly became chop. Redleaf is another convert. But sometimes i think... are they really converts or izit that their chop behaviour take time to develop. Still have to confirm wheather Bro1 has turned chop. Last but not least is Kelapasawit... it still havent become chop despite fighting numerous times with chops. Also, Bighead never turned chop.
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This was the fight between Kelapasawit and Bro1 on the 10/03/07 where Kelapasawit won. Just short fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQf6WHqgk0

Heh, so far no one wondered wat is so special about Bro1 vs kelapasawit. Both are actually non-chops.

Well, yesterday's fight between them really blew me away! Before I fought, I thot it will be a short fight where Kelapasawit will trash Bro1. That fight surprised me for 3 reasons.
1. Bro1 chopped straight, and fought like it was still young spider(maybe 3 months from last moult is still young?)
2. I thot Bro1 lost the fight..twice(once after the arm biting incident, second is after getting half-flipped..for a moment i thot kelapasawit was EATING Bro1)...but Bro1 showed terrific last minute counter
Last but not least...
3. 97 SECONDS FIGHT!!! shocking.gif Breaking the 1 minute mark by a far 37 seconds. Gasp!
You saw the preview. Now here's the full clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqKxdiBDnxo
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Wow.. long fierce fight. Both FS just don't want to give up easily and fight all out. sweat.gif
Both of your FS also seems improved alot in their fight. Bro1 got strong fighting will and able to absord lotsa attacks from KelapaSawit.
KelapaSawit is much stronger in tat fight but i think its uses up all its energy to attack Bro1.. at the end KelapaSawit is too exhausted and unable to def from Bro1 chops on its arm.

I noticed quite some different in ur FS fight.... more on chop bite attack, use arms to hit each other and more like walking abit while fighting instead of tight arm grabbing/locking, and strong pushing/def. I think its due to the fighting platform u use. Uneven and less grip surface will affect the FS fighting style.
The dell cream colour mousePad i use to fight Nexus vs Kaizer, Hope Vs Crossfire recently oso the surface less grip type... i see my FS like jumping abit when fight... their legs like cant hold on tight to the surface compare to my other platform i use.

If compare to some of my earlier FS fight like Spartan vs Archilles, Xinan vs Xonan, HOPE vs Xinan, Xonan vs Scorpio, Kaizer vs Nexus on Passbook or black Ratpadz mousepad surface, etcs...when the FS chop attack .. its able to grab and push/chg position easily. The FS also able to lay down lower to def enemy push and launch counter attack with push back.

Hmm...talking about FS fighting platform, FS platform tat was used last time during my skooldays.. matchbox, tictac, trebor, cassette case, shoe polish round case, rectangular pensel box, big leaf, etcs.. tongue.gif

There are several ways to let FS fight differently tat i know.

1) If want to let the FS fight in the air, just get a thin stick/thick string and put FS on it.. the FS will fight and drop dangling in the air and cont to fight...
2) Let a stronger FS enter a average FS nest and fight inside or either way oso can.
3) set a platform surrounded by water and put the FS on the platform to fight. The FS will fight till one fall into the water.
4) put 2-3 FS inside a same case with a folded leaf. check after few days.. see which FS able to make nest and stay in the leaf and still alive.
5) put a strong FS in dark place for few weeks without any fights. Later let it fight, the FS will fight like TROJAN. tongue.gif

So far i only use the 2nd method to train my FS to fight.. tongue.gif This way is good to convert the FS to become a fierce fighter tat chop more.
With repeated training, the FS will not waste its time to arm pushing with its enemy tat try to invade its nest. The FS will just chop/bite to warn/kill its opponent from entering into the nest.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 24 2008, 02:00 AM)
Just fight them only mah. Actually Joe, smallchop and Destroyer are all chops went i caught them. Jack was the first convert but by which spider? No chop before Jack. You saw how it fought like normal spider in the beginning. Then suddenly became chop. Redleaf is another convert. But sometimes i think... are they really converts or izit that their chop behaviour take time to develop. Still have to confirm whether Bro1 has turned chop. Last but not least is Kelapasawit... it still havent become chop despite fighting numerous times with chops. Also, Bighead never turned chop.
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That IS the question, isn't it?

Possibility#1: Chop behavior is inherent. Regardless of what you do, it will show itself eventually. Genetic component?

Possibility#2: It's an infection, specifically a CNS infection, spread by contact. The FS has lost its mind...sudah gila. Becomes super aggressive, a male loses interest in females easily. A chop female will never willingly allow a male to mate her. They also have short memory, almost never kecut. Like any communicative infection, the spread is not 100%. Some FS are more resistant to it than others (e.g. kelapasawit, bighead). Just like humans, some people get sick every few months while others get sick once every 5 years.

I'm pretty sure Bro1 is now a chop, although he may not be a full chop. Why do chops not all act the same way? If you think disease, you can argue that some chop FS have a more severe form of it. If you think genetic you'll have to think of variations/strength of the genetic expression.

It's also irreversible, so if it's a gene it cannot be turned off after it's been turned on. If it's an infection, it will never heal.

The next question would be whether it's progressive. Does a chop FS get more chop with time?
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The next question would be whether it's progressive. Does a chop FS get more chop with time?
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Wat do you mean more chop? Starting maybe chop but still know how to back off, later chop and fight until die? Or more chop means more frequency in chopping when fight? Joe is a true classic chop...raised arm and slowly walk towards enemy when it sees another FS. But seems it didnt get to chop much in the fight with Kelapasawit.

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It just surprises me that at throughout most of the time, Kelapasawit was in full control and at one point even tigtening its grip on Bro1...
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and then in the next 10 seconds or so, Bro1 bit KS all over and sent KS scrambling for life...
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Here is a curious morphology of Bro1. The underside of its abdomen is pale in color.
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This is unlike all the rest of the male FS, which have a black triangle pattern like this pic of Kelapasawit.
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Wonder wat it means. hmm.gif

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Here's the new metal shelf i bought from Jusco at a discount just for my spiders! Both my wife and sis says that is a nice shelf. I like it because it allows light to pass from one level to the next. My wife says the setup now with the camcord looks like a research room... haha, always been my dream. I used to enjoy working in the lab during my uni days.
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The whole shelf is antproof. How? I just stick doublesided tape all round the four legs...no ant gonna want to get its legs stuck on the tape. Been four days now, so far so good...tape still sticky.
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Another way is to use oil round the legs, maybe encirlce a piece of gauze or tissue around the legs with wire/string and then soak it with singer oil.

I caught a very fat female FS, average size, on the day i got Bavia. And it laid eggs after a couple of days...wah, its fecundity was much higher than all the females i have been keeping which laid eggs. Number of eggs is probably close to 30, while the ones i kept was about 10-15. The eggs of the fat female were also of darker yellow. I think maybe i not feeding the other females enough?
Here's the pic of the eggs of the fat female.
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But today Bighead's third wife(and only hope of Bighead's genes to be passed on) laid eggs...whoa... plenty of eggs, more than the fat female just newly caught from wild. Eggs look bigger too! Maybe because i have been purposely feeding it more. I took the female out immediately once i knew it laid eggs. Even on my antproof shelf, I also surround it with water by placing it in another container(together with the other batches). Double protection.
Here's Bighead's future...
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A curious thing is also both these females i purposely put an extra tape on the container where they make nest.
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This is to let them have a darker place to lay eggs, which they did...i wonder could the light environment affect them in any way regarding laying eggs. Maybe in the brighter more "exposed" environment the other females may eat some of their eggs after laying or during laying.
Anyway i kept Bighead's third wife(BHW3) eggs under the shade of the tape. Hopefully the saga of Bighead lives on...

Here's the other species of Thiania which i'm still keeping...growing fat now, i remember it was quite thin when i caught it. It looks like medium size male to me. But now growing so fat, i think it is amassing food reserve to change skin... Here it is eating fruitflies, one not enough...must grab 2 at one time...
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Viper: How's the EXTREMELY BIG female you told me you caught today? Sell me la.... Unless...don't tell me you also want to breed FS!!

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Wow.. nice setup u have there Mindstorm. rclxms.gif

Today not working, went for short light walking and found a large female FS. Its head and abdomen is very big.. its bigger than all my male FS icon_idea.gif
After search abit found an average size young male FS.. size like Nexus. Abdomen quite thin.. maybe only eat ants. Looks like quite active and fierce type.
Too bad cant find a large male FS there. If can get a large male FS den sure KENG! icon_idea.gif

Saw a green snake around bamboo tree.. gosh.. so green. Looks exotic type but i didn't catch.. lol..

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Let my male FS see the large female FS.. all oso excited but none able to successful mate coz the female just move away.
In the evening..caught another average size young male FS, one of its arm broke ady.. maybe kena bit by ants or other FS.

Got new male FS so wat next? fight la of coz.. tongue.gif

SpitFire vs ShortArm
SpitFire won! ShortArm fight quite good oso.. chop few times and when retreat time still chop at SpitFire arm 2X!

SpitFire vs Nexus
SpitFire won! 82 secs long fierce fight! thumbup.gif
Spitfire thinner looks slightly smaller than Nexus. Nexus at the top, Spit fire bottom when the fight start. After some arm pushing, Nexus launch strong CHOPS till both FS turn upside down!
Nexus is fight very fierce and continue to attack with few more chops after both FS get back to normal position. Spitfire looks like kena lifted few times but suddenly Nexus get flip upside down.
After back to normal position, both FS grab and lock each other arm tightly and bite each other. SpitFire push Nexus downwards few steps but Nexus launch chops to move upwards! Spitfire manage to defend well and again, Nexus seems like flip upside down abit/or maybe try to find a better attack position. This happened like 3-4 times.. damn.. Nexus having hard time to attack SpitFire at close range! There are one time when Spitfire push and attack Nexus till to get turned upside down! After Nexus regain back normal fighting position, it continue to fight bravely
and after few times kena attack badly, Nexus bite SpitFire left arm! Spitfire try to breakfree by moving forward and backward but not successful. Nexus bite was so tight and both FS not moving for quite .. tat time, i got the feeling SpitFire left arm might just breakoff anytime liao.. sweat.gif My hand oso shaking abit coz worry ma ..tat part video abit shaky.. sweat.gif Suddenly SpitFire managed to bite on Nexus left arm and breakfree. With one last light chop from Spitfire.. Nexus finally gave up and retreat.

After the fight, i chk Spitfire left arm injured whereas Nexus left arm and 2-3 legs also injured.
Lucky no brokem arms or legs. sweat.gif Should be able to recover fast.
Both FS fight very well. Spitfire seems more good in close range attack coz forced Nexus to turn upside down many times during fight! thumbup.gif

Wow.. now i have 2 more FS tat are good fighters.
SpitFire and ShortArm.

Here's the FS fight video.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/1FDD0ECC0C68A4A4

Now i got more and more FS liao.... dunno whether i should go search for more later at Kelapa Sawit area. hmm... hmm.gif


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WALAO! EXTREME sial! Very exciting match! But it seems to me Spitfire bite Nexus arm first, then Nexus bite Spitfire arm, and both were holding onto each others arm for that long stall. Then Nexus let go but Spitfire continue to hold on. And Nexus trying to get away which it finally did. I had to watch a few times to get that right. Can clearly see Nexus is darker and bigger than Spitfire. Spitfire really spit fire man.

In the Spitfire vs Shortarm(arm broken at tip?.. also never see before, halfway broken), can see Spitfire is a arm biter. Bite Shortarm arms duwan to let go.. Spitfire is dangerous endurance fighter.

Damn. I think your fighters line up is more geng than mine. Actually i thot of fighting ur FS this friday but u not free. I was thinking fight for top spot and also team fight! You line up ur top 5 and i line up my top 5 and see as a whole team who wins! Like badminton team! haha!

Here's my lineup..got 13 males altogether. But no big size. I think your Hope is the spider to beat.

Average size
1.Jack(chop)
2.Bro1(chop?)
3.Kelapasawit(fierce fighter)
4.Redleaf(chop)
5.Joe(chop)

Small average size - cannot really fight, keep for sparring
1.IOI-mm
2.Fairman
3.Brownie

Tiny size
1.Smallioi(bigger than Destroyer)
2.Destroyer(smallest chop ever seen)

Unranked
1.Bigleaf(Very old..bending arms)
2.smallchop(one arm, lost to Destroyer even though Destroyer smaller)
3.Topman(old, blackhead)

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I only saw Nexus trying very hard to attack Spitfire even try to attk from upside down position. Nexus is very fierce tho.. strong chops few times sweat.gif After Nexus attck failed, SpitFire counter attack back and i saw Nexus kena lift up abit, its legs like standing up
and that is the time i saw Nexus bite hard on SpitFire left arm. SpitFire move upwards and backwards try to breakfree but failed.
I'm not so sure whether SpitFire oso bite NExus arm earlier. Nexus is at front and blocking the view.. i cant really see if SpitFire able to bite arm earlier. I only saw SpitFire having a hard time and struggling to breakfree but Nexus just keep on bitting.
Both FS not moving for quite some time. Later only i saw SpitFire bite on Nexus left arm and manage to breakfree.
After the fight over, i only see SpitFire left arm is injured, Nexus more like stun and exhausted. Can check in the video i've recorded.


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HOPE
CROSSFIRE
XINAN
XONAN
SCORPIO
SPITFIRE
NEXUS
KAIZER

ShortArm + 4 other male FS for sparring.

FS group match fight and also fight for top spot sound interesting. Ur BRO1, KelapaSawit seems improve alot in fighting skill and stamina.
Should be able to give good fight for my FS which have the same size.

I'll try to swap shift work on fri.. if my colleague says ok, maybe we can meet in the evening for FS fight.

Sat - Sun, i'm not working, will try chk with my neighbour whether he is goin back kampung onot.. overnight on sat and come back sunday.
Wanna join me to search for FS at my neighbour kampung Kelapa Sawit area?

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 26 2008, 04:42 PM)
I only saw Nexus trying very hard to attack Spitfire even try to attk from upside down position. Nexus is very fierce tho.. strong chops few times sweat.gif After Nexus attck failed, SpitFire counter attack back and i saw Nexus kena lift up abit, its legs like standing up
and that is the time i saw Nexus bite hard on SpitFire left arm. SpitFire move upwards and backwards try to breakfree but failed.
I'm not so sure whether SpitFire oso bite NExus arm earlier. Nexus is at front and blocking the view.. i cant really see if SpitFire able to bite arm earlier. I only saw SpitFire having a hard time and struggling to breakfree but Nexus just keep on bitting.
Both FS not moving for quite some time. Later only i saw SpitFire bite on Nexus left arm and manage to breakfree.
After the fight over, i only see SpitFire left arm is injured, Nexus more like stun and exhausted. Can check in the video i've recorded.
My FS icon_idea.gif

HOPE
CROSSFIRE
XINAN
XONAN
SCORPIO
SPITFIRE
NEXUS
KAIZER

ShortArm + 4 other male FS for sparring.

FS group match fight and also fight for top spot sound interesting. Ur BRO1, KelapaSawit seems improve alot in fighting skill and stamina.
Should be able to give good fight for my FS which have the same size.

I'll try to swap shift work on fri.. if my colleague says ok, maybe we can meet in the evening for FS fight.

Sat - Sun, i'm not working, will try chk with my neighbour whether he is goin back kampung onot.. overnight on sat and come back sunday.
Wanna join me to search for FS at my neighbour kampung Kelapa Sawit area?

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This is one fight where both FS not same size and yet fight very very long, with the smaller spider winning in the end. I timed the fight, about 79 seconds from start of contact to end of contact. The stall time when both FS hanging onto each others arm was almost half a minute! From here we can see that the length of time for a fight depends greatly on 2 factors.
1. Fighting style
Basically arm locking style greatly increases the fighting time. We dont expect fights with "open chopping style" like Pippy vs Scareycat or Hope vs Crossfire, to last very long. Too tiring for either FS.
2. Stalling time
Usually a result of arm locking, or in the case of Bro1 vs Kelapasawit, hugging and kissing each other. In any fights, stalling is sort of resting in the middle of the fight, at the same time waiting for an action from the opponent before reacting.

It is amazing that in the fight Nexus vs Spitfire, right at the beginning of the fight, Nexus gave a strong chop which sent Spitfire backwards and both went upside down. Most FS in Spitfire's place, being smaller, would have fled by now but Spitfire continued to fight a gruelling long match and won. Spitfire is surely a strong fighter. Nexus got lifted by Spitfire and then became upside down...Nexus not very surefooted.

Viper: Ok, let me know wheather u free on fri and wat time u free and where? Sat-sun, sorry cannot la. Wish i can but got to work till late nite. Hope u catch super fighter!

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Actually Spitfire and Nexus quite same size especially their head size.. only different is Nexus abdomen bigger coz i fed him good stuff. tongue.gif

Yeah.. heres the large female FS pics. I think its size is between big-large.

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Ok.. my roster changed last minute ..kena off today and Sun. Cant follow my neighbour back his hometown on weekend ady.
This afternoon feel bored, cant sleep.. so went out to look for new FS. Saw some nice place sumwhere further down my housing place so decided to go there search for FS. tongue.gif
Not really near la.. haf 2 drive like 5-15 mins, went to few different places also..

This place quite near my house .. got a small garden .. so i go check it out. tongue.gif
Found 3 male FS there. 2 average size, 1 average - small... like Kaizer size.

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Last time Mindstorm got told tat large FS normally found near drain or got alot water place.
So i went to this housing area next to a big drain.. found 1 big male and 1 large-big female FS.

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Here are my new FS tat i caught today icon_idea.gif

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Haven't decide wat name to give the new FS yet.. later ba.
Now.. temporarily name
FS1, FS2, FS3 and FS4

At night after dinner, i let my FS fight. icon_idea.gif
All new FS defeated all the sparring FS i have easily.
Later i let the FS2,FS3 and FS4 fight with Scorpio. All the new FS lost! doh.gif
Got fight abit la.. but still cant match Scorpio. The new big FS, FS4 seems like not active.. walk slowly and response oso slow in fight.
I didnt let FS1 fight Scorpio coz different size.
I didn't let Nexus, SpitFire and Kaizer fight 2nite coz want them to rest from previous fierce fight.

Since all the fight 2nite kinda short, i decided to fight my other FS.

Scorpio vs Xonan (Xonan won)
Xonan vs Xinan - Xinan pushed Xonan to the edge of the platform and fall cont fight in the air! back on stage still want to cont fight but i stop coz upside down leh. Xinan leg injured.
Crossfire vs Xonan (Crossfire won.. push and chops chops.)

Crossfire very ganas fight with strong short arm pushing n chops... i didnt managed to record the earlier part... to fast ady. Xonan can only last short while when direct fight with Crossfire.
Maybe too tired since fight so many FS? hmm.gif

Heres tonight FS fight video.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/DA81F63E67A6532C

Tomorrow i work in the evening, if u free morning or afternoon can fight FS la. icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm goin to release most of my other sparring FS. Too much FS ady..lol


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Wah, very nice places u went too. Like the pictures a lot. Pandan leaves always make me think of FS. Seems like u also found wild pepper plants there. And plenty of shade. Very conducive for FS. Eh...looks like people's house backyard.. no one come out to ask u wat u doing ah?
Anyway, sure looks like a lot of FS there. But all the ones u caught cannot fight? If they are big size then worth keeping for a while...maybe most of them still young. Or they are "dai sui pao" like some people say..big spiders but cannot fight. Hard to say. Maybe try training them.

F1 vs F2 fight quite ok. But yeah,..looks like a bit slow. In the begining, I thot the left FS(F1?) is chop..walk slowly...but then not chop. They look thin...feed them the fly u catch...then become strong and big like Hope!

Anyway here's a clip between Joe and Topman. I tried to rank Topman. Joe was the weakest of the top 5 i have. But looks like Topman got a beating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yc7O_xezvE

Bro1 looks like has turned chop. Now i remember, before the record time match between Bro1 and Kelapa sawit where Bro1 for the first time exhibit chop behaviour, the last fight Bro1 had was with Jack on around 10/03/08! The one where he got trashed gaugau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO09UnObWvQ
Almost 2 weeks later on the 23/03/08 it fought the long match with kelapasawit. So yeah, looks like chop behaviour did spread to Bro1 after all. Here he is doing it again on Fairman(..for training)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9AsQFW_rZw

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I notice one thing about FS population and their fighting skills. In our developed environment, there are many pockets of shrub area which are quite isolated. If these area is not too small, then FS maybe able to survive and breed there. However because they are isolated, their gene pool is small and siblings may mate each other which will weaken the species. I realized these areas FS not so fierce. Example are areas in PJ(where i got Bigguns, Topman) and some areas in Puchong(where i got Bigleave, Lowland). But where i got Kelapasawit and Bighead, 6leg, Jack, Joe ...they are from a vast area. Maybe it is just like sportsmen... the bigger the country is, the more likely u're able to find world class sportsmen. More people, more selection, more probabilites. It's a numbers game.

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nice thread...almost like a science journal. nice nice rclxms.gif

I never play this when i was small...never occured to me nor my town buddy funny...I'm from sarawak.

Well, some question like to ask.......or for pondering.

did all the chop spider have same physical characteristic?(colour?marking?general size?)

area caught?

wat about no-chop one?

maybe different species different behavior?

then maybe from there can see is from gene? I think shud share some physical characteristic if same species

will try to catch some FS during holiday as I at unisel LOL. so rural area.

Nice thread/ journal: maybe can published as book when find out something more rclxms.gif rclxms.gif eh mindstrom? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

one more Q how does a spider bandar/ spider besi Look like? course the one tat i normally see in my town at sarawak is at home one. which is a jumping spider have hair and don't have long leg, brown fur. always jump to eat prey


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Ya.. tat place is at behind people's house. Kinda "terbiar" lotsa mosquitoes there.. found some females FS and baby FS there. Didn't dare to go deep into the leaves.. scared got snakes or centipede.. lol.. just search at the outer part nia.. tongue.gif
Nobody come out so quite okla.. when i leave tat time got an uncle come out but he didn't ask me anything.. maybe he thought i just use short-cut behind the house tongue.gif

Yeah.. the FS1 is quite average-small size like Kaizer. Its also a better fighter than FS2 and FS3. Only lost to FS4 today.
FS1 quite strong and likes to chops during fight.

This morning after some light exercise, i let my FS fight again icon_idea.gif Too bad i'm working nite today, if not can meet up with Mindstorm to fight with his CHOPs FS.

Fuoooah.... lotsa fierce and exciting fight. sweat.gif Damn kao compare to last night fight.

1) FS1-FS2-FS3-FS4 fight each other. ( FS4 won, next is FS1, FS3 and FS2)

2) FS4 vs SplitFire (FS4 won..size bigger ma)

3) Nexus vs FS4 (Nexus won! exciting fight)

4) Scorpio vs Nexus (Scorpio won. Fierce fight!)

5) Hope vs Crossfire (Hope won. Very fierce fight! Hope Chop Crossfire at the start face-to-face and fight close to the rear platform. I have to use my hand to extend the plaform so the FS don't fall off! Both FS like wanna kill each other and bite on each other arms! Lotsa tight grabs and roll like ball coz both FS chop each other even kena lock tight and try to breakfree.

Crossfire injured quite badly..very weak after the fight sweat.gif )

6) Kaizer vs TopSparring FS(Kaizer won! Very fierce fight! The sparring FS same size/slightly bigger is quite a good fighter, its able to give some fight earlier to Kaizer but Kaizer was just too fierce and strong FS. Kaizer chops its opponent many times and bite tight its opponent arm. Both FS like not moving for quite some time and the TopSparring FS look like died already coz its leg like all shrink in. After like abt 5-10 secs, the sparring FS arm torn apart when try to ran away and fall down the platform. Shortly later it died. shocking.gif FATALITY.)

Damn...the dead FS is the top among other sparring FS i have. Its a better fighter than Shortarm.
I really didn't expect it will die from the fight VS Kaizer coz its quite a good fighter. sweat.gif
Can see in the video, the FS fight quite well.

I've released other 4 sparring FS including ShortArm.

All the fights video for this morning.:
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/A5BF96934E46EF19

Now my FS ranking.

HOPE
CROSSFIRE
XINAN
XONAN
SCORPIO
NEXUS
KAIZER/ FS4 (both havent fight each other yet)
SPITFIRE/ FS1 (both havent fight each other yet)
FS3
FS2

Some of my FS are damn fierce in fight. sweat.gif

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Wa.. Looks like Joe is a fierce fighter. Joe wack Topman till knock-out pengsan? The fight is so short. Either Joe is too fierce or Topman is just too weak.

I also not sure about the chop is a disease or its a natural fighting instinct develop by FS to survive in fights.
I see most of my FS tat involves in fierce fight normally will get fiercer and fight better.
Some of my fierce FS tat i trained fighting in their nest also display more frequent chops to force its opponent out.

Some of FS like SpitFire and Kaizer are already very fierce and likes to chop alot when i caught them.
HOPE, CROSSFIRE, XINAN, XONAN, SCORPIO and NEXUS also are good fighters but now getting much more stronger and fiercer.

FS tat likes to chop alot are more interested to kill/dmg its opponent instead if fighting..

In Kaizer fight vs TopSparring FS... Kaizer attack with chops and do arm pushing at first but later on keep launch strong chops and tight lock attcks to weaken its opponent.

Maybe CHOP FS is like vampire/werewolf . kena bite will become one like them oso.. sweat.gif
I noticed some common changes of behavior of my FS those which either fight with chops or win/lost to other fierce normal FS..after sometime the FS become kecut for few days without any good reason especially those tat won.. like HOPE, CROSSFIRE.. see female FS oso scared and ran away very fast? rclxub.gif Later the FS become super fierce and change fighting techniques.. more chops attack.

Xinan and Nexus case are abit different.. even lost in fights, both FS not kecut easily.. still can fight other weaker FS and win .. later after rest 1-2 days both the FS become much stronger and can fight very well. Maybe the FS want to revenge back on their earlier fights losses. hmm.gif
Kaizer lost to Nexus few days back.. today.. it wack its opponent kaw kaw. shocking.gif

Last time got one lyn forum guy says his FS lost to a chop FS and never recover its confident even after few weeks/month.

I think some FS which have strong fighting will get recover fast and become a more experienced and fierce fighter.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 28 2008, 02:24 AM)
Anyway here's a clip between Joe and Topman. I tried to rank Topman. Joe was the weakest of the top 5 i have. But looks like Topman got a beating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yc7O_xezvE

Bro1 looks like has turned chop. Now i remember, before the record time match between Bro1 and Kelapa sawit where Bro1 for the first time exhibit chop behaviour, the last fight Bro1 had was with Jack on around 10/03/08! The one where he got trashed gaugau! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO09UnObWvQ
Almost 2 weeks later on the 23/03/08 it fought the long match with kelapasawit. So yeah, looks like chop behaviour did spread to Bro1 after all. Here he is doing it again on Fairman(..for training)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9AsQFW_rZw
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Wa.. ur KelapaSawit underside abdomen looks very muscular n strong type. tongue.gif

I oso check my top rank FS.. i see those average-big size FS have darker colour underside abdomen.
I think if the colour is darker, its skin maybe harden and stronger skin shell. Maybe the FS is fully matured already?

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 25 2008, 09:23 PM)
Here is a curious morphology of Bro1. The underside of its abdomen is pale in color.
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This is unlike all the rest of the male FS, which have a black triangle pattern like this pic of Kelapasawit.
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Wonder wat it means.  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hoahmaru56 @ Mar 28 2008, 07:08 AM)
nice thread...almost like a science journal. nice nice rclxms.gif

I never play this when i was small...never occured to me nor my town buddy funny...I'm from sarawak.

Well, some question like to ask.......or for pondering.

did all the chop spider have same physical characteristic?(colour?marking?general size?)

area caught?

wat about no-chop one?

maybe different species different behavior?

then maybe from there can see is from gene? I think shud share some physical characteristic if same species

will try to catch some FS during holiday as I at unisel LOL. so rural area.

Nice thread/ journal: maybe can published as book when find out something more rclxms.gif rclxms.gif eh mindstrom? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

one more Q how does a spider bandar/ spider besi Look like? course the one tat i normally see in my town at sarawak is at home one. which is a jumping spider have hair and don't have long leg, brown fur. always jump to eat prey
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chops doesn't have different markings but usually they tend to be more matured spiders, so there is a tendency to perceive chops to be darker in color or have a black head(matured spiders are darker). However as u can see Jack is chop but looks normal color and i had one called blackhead which was never a chop.
Jack left, Blackhead right
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Chop is a behaviourial trait, not a morphological one. So no, they(chops) dont have same physical characteristics which one can say that FS is a chop for sure just by looking at it.

Last time, my friend and I tend to believe chops are usually caught in dirty places(lots of mud on the leafs) or they are found out-of-the-way nest. Some believe they dont make nest but just lepak under some leaf or found wandering. I think these perception comes about simply because chops usually are quite rare. So when one is found, there is an instant attachment to the place/situation in was found by the catcher. More or less psychology of the catcher. As for the area as a whole, it is difficult to mark any area as a chop area. And where chops are found, the area dont seem to be different than areas where no chops are found. But i do believe if a chop is found in one area, usually there are more within the same area.

no-chop one can be found in any FS conducive area lor...

We are talking about the same species of spiders when we refer one as chop. Just that they dont show angry face before fighting but attack straight away.

Maybe gene is involved. But we theorize that it is either disease(where a agent is involved) or just a learned behaviour.

Hope u catch some and show us some pictures. rclxms.gif

I still am not sure wat is a spider bandar as this name was never used by me. Unless viper show me a spider bandar life then i will know. Different people tend to use different slang names for jumping spiders in our country. Haha!
I think spider besi(also never used by me)=mangrovejumper. I used to call it golden spider cuz of its color. U can see it on the first page of this forum.

Best u show us some pics of jumping spider u see. More close up better. Then we can agree on ONE name... biggrin.gif

Anyway thanks for taking an interest in this forum, hoahmaru56. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Wah, viper..ur FS fights getting more and more brutal. Until death. Mine also blush.gif , Topman already dead next day.

Hope vs Crossfire is very violent. Both also do not want to bow out humbly. If u continue to fight them so often, I think Crossfire is next to go. Better keep them for a few days before fighting.
Nexus vs FS4 and Scorpio vs Nexus pretty good matches. Nice manoveuring and chopping.
Wah, i see u fight ur FS more and more these few days... while i fight them less and less. Getting ready to meet u mah..hehe.

All ur new FS lose to the ones u keep could also mean one thing. Well-fed, well-taken-care-of and trained FS are tougher and fight better than newly wild caught ones! haha!
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New blood!!

No la, not bloody fight. I mean got new spiders la... biggrin.gif .

This is the place i went to. It was on a slope with a drain. Banana trees with long sharp leaves plants.
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It was raining when i reached the place around 4.30pm. Damn. I slept in my car till almost 5.30pm. The rain wasnt very heavy but will still soak u wet if out long enuf. Anyway i was cursing in my car for my bad luck. I didnt want to drive back cuz i know it is horrendously jam out there. It was also quite dark with all the rain clouds. Anyway by 6 the rain subsided to very light. Aiyah, dont care, just go and find. Wah..i think this must be one of most productive catch. In one hour, found 6 males. Somehow the rain actually made me come to this place because got parking near here. If no rain, i might have stop somewhere else.

Here are the 6 males and their nests.

1st Male - DirtyFace(small but look like chop, mature male)
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2nd Male - New Arm(One arm shorter than the other, probably broke the arm before change skin, i think cannot fight)
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3rd Male - Longman(Biggest one today, same or slightly bigger than Jack...new challenger, but still young)
Saw its big shadow through the banana leafs. It was actually sharing a very big nest with ants(to the left of second pic)
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4th Male - Quietblue(Blue color, in cantonese we call it Lam pao, and quite tame)
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5th Male - Justine(Just changed skin, can see its legs still pale orangy colour, 2nd biggest)
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By the time i caught Justine, i was out of containers. I was holding a bag with Quietblue in it and Justine in a container without a cap(i dropped it).
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Then i saw Jumper, trying to mate a female. Aish..one hand only how to catch? Anyway, somehow i caught them and put both male and female in another bag.... biggrin.gif

6th Male - Jumper(keep jumping when i tried to take its photo, most matured male)
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Ya.. my FS are getting much fiercer. Since cant fight with your FS yesterday... i let my FS fight.. just to practice oni.
I only let the strong and healty ones fight.

This morning i check on Crossfire, one of its leg fell off ady.. shocking.gif Maybe its leg got stuck in its web and came off. Yesterday after fight, no broken legs or arms. Its other 2 legs oso still injured and have difficulty to walk properly. Injured quite badly fighting HOPE. I fed it with a light bugs.. hope CrossFire can recover faster.

Great FS catch u got there... more challenger for my FS. thumbup.gif



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This morning went to Gleneagle Medical Centre for my leg physiotherapy sweat.gif
After tat go look for FS behind army/police camp nearby GMC there... coz tat area got lotsa leaves.

Search tat area for abt 30 minutes and i managed to catch 4 male FS! rclxm9.gif
3 average size male FS and 1 young size male FS.
One of the average size FS quite dark in colour and look ganas. icon_idea.gif
The other 3 looks quite ok oso. brows.gif

Here's today catch.
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No time to let the new FS fight 2day coz i've to rush 2 work. Maybe tomorrow will fight the FS coz i'm not working.
Now i got alot of FS. 16 male FS all together.. rclxm9.gif

Hope some of the new FS are good and strong fighters.

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 28 2008, 04:39 AM)
Wa.. Looks like Joe is a fierce fighter. Joe wack Topman till knock-out pengsan? The fight is so short. Either Joe is too fierce or Topman is just too weak.
I also not sure about the chop is a disease or its a natural fighting instinct develop by FS to survive in fights.
I see most of my FS tat involves in fierce fight normally will get fiercer and fight better.
Some of my fierce FS tat i trained fighting in their nest also display more frequent chops to force its opponent out.
Some of FS like SpitFire and Kaizer are already very fierce and likes to chop alot when i caught them.
HOPE, CROSSFIRE, XINAN, XONAN, SCORPIO and NEXUS also are good fighters but now getting much more stronger and fiercer.
FS tat likes to chop alot are more interested to kill/dmg its opponent instead if fighting..
Maybe CHOP FS is like vampire/werewolf . kena bite will become one like them oso.. sweat.gif
I noticed some common changes of behavior of my FS those which either fight with chops or win/lost to other fierce normal FS..after
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Perhaps you're right that it's not a disease, but I doubt you can get it from just from training. Training your male FS doesn't explain why they lose interest in females easily. Often they would rather push the female than try to mount her. Training doesn't explain why true chop FSs do not show an angry face. Mindstorm's Joe is a true chop...he doesn't give a rip about frightening the other spider away with an angry face. As a matter of fact, he is more likely to show a kecut face (bringing the teeth up to partially cover the face)...Mindstorm can probably confirm.

All your spiders fight very well. But the only chop you have that I can see in the clips is Kaizer. The others are not chops, regardless of how they stay in fights, do arm locks or chops while fighting.

BTW vampires/werewolves were once (falsely) thought of as the blood disorder: porphyria. The chop attribute, instead, looks similar to behaviour of animals with rabies.

Questions I have for Mindstorm are:
1. Is a chop less likely to roam around during the day to look for females?
2. Does a chop have a shorter lifespan as a nonchop FS, or is it about the same?
3. Do they behave the same way as normal FS in their daily activities? E.g. Bed making at night and keep the nest clean by dropping food scraps and excrement off the edge of the nest, etc. It will further explain the mental irregularities of a chop FS.
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My neighbour got told me before tat the strongest FS he played last time was found near swamp area leaves.
The FS tat caught at that swamp area are very tough and fierce. The 2nd strongest FS are caught from KelapaSawit leaves.
I never got any chance to see or catch FS from these 2 area so i'm not sure whether true onot.

Heres a female spider Besi and a male Spider Bandar pics.

Female Spider Besi
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Male Spider Bandar
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Male Spider Besi is more stronger and got a "+" mark at its abdomen.
Its skin oso looks like tough keras type.. like tank body. tongue.gif

Male Spider Bandar oso a tough killer. Its body got black and white stripes, abit brown colour and muscular type.
Don't get mix up with the Spider Pandan black and white stripes. Spider Bandar got longer legs and abit brown in colour.

Saw in Tasik Titiwangsa.. a male Spider Bandar size like 50 cent! Damn big and huge.. scary. sweat.gif
Also saw before a male Spider Besi like 20 cent!.. got big teeth... tat time when i'm searching for normal FS.

These 2 spiders will alwys chop and kill other spiders for food. I've fought my FS with these 2 type of spiders before.
If face to face fight FS still can win. If FS kena attack from bhd.. sure die 1. Ya..i let my FS fight these fierce spider as part of my FS training last time. My FS oso fierce type and likes to chop and kill these spiders as part of its food.

I see only some of the FS got the killing behaviour like Spider Besi and Spider Bandar. Most of the normal FS just fight and let its opponent run away.
Only those really fierce FS tat can fight and at same time want to kill other spiders.

Maybe some of the normal FS fought with Spider Besi, Spider Bandar or other similar type of killer spiders before. Got infected from the bites attack and later become a killer spider oso.

Maybe some of the FS are natural born fighter and killer as well.. sweat.gif

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Added on March 29, 2008, 10:38 pmHmm.. i think u haven't see the video HOPE and CROSSFIRE fight yet..These 2 FS chop attack at the start and keep on bitting each other fiercely without letting off. Both FS still show angry face and short fighting stance position but when near its opponenet.. it will jump and bite! No longer arm pushing at the beginning.

Xinan and Nexus, SpitFire fight with alot chops attack more but still got some arm pushing abit. Partial chop??

I don't bother much about the FS don't show angry face onot.
Some FS like SmallChops, Kaizers also show different fighting stance at the beginning.

For me, chop/partial chop FS
- launch chop attack at the start of the fight
- launch alot of continuous chops attack in fight
- want to kill/injured its opponent badly
- not much arm pushing

From my basic FS training, after sometime i can see HOPE also try to chop a female FS from the side.. later after see the female FS properly face2Face, its able to show the normal mating behavior. Same goes to Crossfire.

Kaizer i really dunno.. i put female FS.. Kaizer oso chop the female FS kaw kaw. sweat.gif

Train FS fight in nest only makes it fiercer to chop more instead of standard arm pushing.
Some fierce FS will kill its weaker opponent when fighting in nest. Not all FS can become very fierce fighter if continue fight in leaf/nest..some still fight like normal.. but those strong ones will become more and more aggressive if there are alot of fights in their nest.

I feel if FS alwys face alot of threats either from other FS or other enemy try to invade its nest or territory.. it will become very fierce FS.
I also think different types of leaf and habitat environment will also affect the FS fighting ability and technique.

Some ppl says that the strong and fierce FS don't make nest and always move from one place to other place.
I dun think like tat coz most of male FS i caught also inside their leaf/nest. The male FS make nest but will roam out in the day time for food or look for female, it will back to its nest when the weather is too hot/raining. I feel even CHOP fs oso need to make nest for shelter and protection from ants etcs..

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 29 2008, 04:49 PM)
Perhaps you're right that it's not a disease, but I doubt you can get it from just from training.  Training your male FS doesn't explain why they lose interest in females easily.  Often they would rather push the female than try to mount her.  Training doesn't explain why true chop FSs do not show an angry face.  Mindstorm's Joe is a true chop...he doesn't give a rip about frightening the other spider away with an angry face.  As a matter of fact, he is more likely to show a kecut face (bringing the teeth up to partially cover the face)...Mindstorm can probably confirm.

All your spiders fight very well.  But the only chop you have that I can see in the clips is Kaizer.  The others are not chops, regardless of how they stay in fights, do arm locks or chops while fighting.

BTW vampires/werewolves were once (falsely) thought of as the blood disorder: porphyria.  The chop attribute, instead, looks similar to behaviour of animals with rabies.

Questions I have for Mindstorm are:
1.  Is a chop less likely to roam around during the day to look for females?
2.  Does a chop have a shorter lifespan as a nonchop FS, or is it about the same?
3.  Do they behave the same way as normal FS in their daily activities?  E.g. Bed making at night and keep the nest clean by dropping food scraps and excrement off the edge of the nest, etc.  It will further explain the mental irregularities of a chop FS.
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Found this other FS species fight video while browsing YOUTUBE tonight.

HOLY SHIT... the female FS fought for about 5mins++ !! shakehead.gif

http://www.youtube.com/user/saizd0580

http://www.youtube.com/user/goldgoldcat

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=marco8603&p=r

Also got male FS fight!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/williamchan04


Those FS fights are not as fierce as the one that me and Mindstorm posted here.. hehhehe.
If fight sure our FS will win..lol

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 29 2008, 10:34 AM)
Ya.. my FS are getting much fiercer. Since cant fight with your FS yesterday... i let my FS fight.. just to practice oni.
I only let the strong and healty ones fight.

This morning i check on Crossfire, one of its leg fell off ady..  shocking.gif Maybe its leg got stuck in its web and came off. Yesterday after fight, no broken legs or arms. Its other 2 legs oso still injured and have difficulty to walk properly. Injured quite badly fighting HOPE. I fed it with a light bugs.. hope CrossFire can recover faster.

Great FS catch u got there... more challenger for my FS. thumbup.gif
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Added on March 30, 2008, 1:04 am
QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 29 2008, 04:18 PM)
This morning went to Gleneagle Medical Centre for my leg physiotherapy sweat.gif
After tat go look for FS behind army/police camp nearby GMC there... coz tat area got lotsa leaves.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 29 2008, 04:49 PM)
Perhaps you're right that it's not a disease, but I doubt you can get it from just from training. Training your male FS doesn't explain why they lose interest in females easily. Often they would rather push the female than try to mount her. Training doesn't explain why true chop FSs do not show an angry face. Mindstorm's Joe is a true chop...he doesn't give a rip about frightening the other spider away with an angry face. As a matter of fact, he is more likely to show a kecut face (bringing the teeth up to partially cover the face)...Mindstorm can probably confirm.

All your spiders fight very well. But the only chop you have that I can see in the clips is Kaizer. The others are not chops, regardless of how they stay in fights, do arm locks or chops while fighting.

BTW vampires/werewolves were once (falsely) thought of as the blood disorder: porphyria. The chop attribute, instead, looks similar to behaviour of animals with rabies.

Questions I have for Mindstorm are:
1. Is a chop less likely to roam around during the day to look for females?
2. Does a chop have a shorter lifespan as a nonchop FS, or is it about the same?
3. Do they behave the same way as normal FS in their daily activities? E.g. Bed making at night and keep the nest clean by dropping food scraps and excrement off the edge of the nest, etc. It will further explain the mental irregularities of a chop FS.
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I didn't see close enuf to notice wheather the teeth were up, maybe cuz i am holding the camera, but yes i have seen that action before many times from chops. It is a deceiving tactic.

I agree that the only true chop is Kaizer..other viper FS probably partial chop. Chop is something we define as not showing angry face but yet fight fierce. But as i play more and more with FS/chops, i realize that there is many grey areas. An example is Redleaf, a chop convert. But not strong enuf or fierce enuf in fights. Jack, healthy chop. Jack, 6leg and smallchop all try to mate females. Also viper has many spiders that are non-chop but fight damn fierce.

1. Need a study on that. But i did notice at times Jack is pretty restless and roam for a long time in its container.
2. Need a study on that too. My guess is chops don't life shorter or longer. The don't seem to have any disadvantage in terms of finding food, shelter. If a chop live shorter, it would only because it tries to fight a bigger fiercer male and get eaten or injured badly. Running away is important for survival too...
3. Jack, smallchop, Joe still make web between 2 surface. And also they do excrete away from nest. The classic chops are the drunken ones we used to catch and took note. But as of last year, i caught a healthy chop which change some of my perception regarding chops.
I will take closer note on their daily activities to see any other differences. As of now, I didn't notice anything significantly different between chop and non-chop apart from the way they start a fight.

Also, as i will post later... some FS which i thot would be chop by their appearance, way they move and place caught, turned out not to be. An Example is Blackhead. Another one would be Dirtyface. Kecut!

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 29 2008, 11:44 PM)
Found this other FS species fight video while browsing YOUTUBE tonight.

HOLY SHIT... the female FS fought for about 5mins++ !!  shakehead.gif

http://www.youtube.com/user/saizd0580

http://www.youtube.com/user/goldgoldcat

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=marco8603&p=r

Also got male FS fight!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/williamchan04
Those FS fights are not as fierce as the one that me and Mindstorm posted here.. hehhehe.
If fight sure our FS will win..lol

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OMG!! Hongkees are at it too. Fantastic find man. Yeah, holy cow, their FS endurance is tremendous. Maybe because in colder country. They fight slower too. Walao, their male FS arms are damn long compared to their head and body. Looks bigger too. I wonder wheather i can try to get some to bring back to Malaysia!

Here is another HK male fighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJuF08emM7Y&feature=related
Very funny commentary..hehe.
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Here is todays fights for my new spiders. FS on left is winner.

newarm vs quietblue(very short fight)
newarm vs dirtyface(kecut)
jumper vs newarm(short push)
jumper vs justine(just touch)
longman vs jumper(1 chop)*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDU9jcpPcQ4

In the end only one spider worth keeping...Longman. And here is how he broke through the top 5 ranks. Joe is out...for good.
Before Longman, ranking is

1. Jack
2. Bro1
3. Kelapasawit
4. Redleaf
5. Joe


1. longman vs joe(gasp)* shocking.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUlZPG6fyUc

2. longman vs redleaf(triple chop)*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2kqw8dMUks
Triple chop by redleaf hardly moved Longman. But great tactic from Redleaf for a safe escape.

3. longman vs Kelapasawit(no show! just a short push!)
no clip, cuz got disc error..couldnt convert the file. Kelapasawit will seems to have been broken by Bro1 since the last fight. But then again, Kelapasawit's head is smaller than Longman. Seems that non-chop FS, when fighting against bigger opponent, can sense it and usually do not want to waste energy continuing. Bro1 used to be like that. Fight against same size or smaller fighter like mad but no show to slightly bigger FS. Now Bro1 is different...

4. bro1 vs longman(good fight)*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N03zQ3fYIIs
Bro1 really rocks in this fight. Bro1 head is smaller than Longarm. I doubt bro1 can win Longarm given another week.


Added on March 30, 2008, 2:20 amChop female!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYZsm4j1Jk&feature=related

marco8603 seems like fanatic like us. Still currently uploading clips on youtube.

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Viper:
Kaizer is a chop. Let me know if you manage to mate him with a female.
The earlier video clips of Hope and Xinan show that they are not chops. Perhaps you managed to convert them recently. The newer clips don't show the early fighting stance, so I can't tell for sure. They are all very good fighters.

Mindstorm:
Bro1 rocks! He is worthy of an epic tale on his life. Early on he got walloped kaw kaw by the bigger FSs, but now he is a grizzled veteran who can hold his own and has won many great battles.
It would be easier to track the development and maturation of your spiders if you can standardise your clip titles. Include "spider name vs spider name, Date" as part of the title. Winner on the left side.
Will Longman get a shot at fighting Jack when he recovers? Or will you save his butt? laugh.gif

Spider bandar and spider besi look like different types of house spiders.
Spider besi looks like the big females we caught in Seremban that were kecut when facing the big spider star female.
Spider bandar looks like Plexippus petersi:
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I have never been able to fight them partly due to the constant jumping of the spiders and they fact that they're not very fierce. Regardless, they would be food for the Bavia. laugh.gif
Should show viper a golden spider male some time if he hasn't seen one. Beautiful spider.

The HK clips are not bad. The Thiania there look bigger than what we have, but they are soooo sluggish. I assume they mostly fight females because the fights last longer. Female fights can last forever inside the nest, man. I agree there seems to be a partial chop female in the clips. Should try to get them to opine here if they don't mind posting in English.

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Yesterday found a big FS from pandan leaf further down my house. Its big.. bigger than all my other male FS.
The other earlier FS i caught from Gleneagles and my house nearby only
3 can fight abit.

The new FS rank from size
Hades - Big
Trojan- average size
Raptor - Big
F1 - small

Hades defeated Nexus in a fierce fight. Nexus initiated alot of chops and later both FS grab and lock each other like a ball and roll abit.
Nexus leg injured. Too bad my HP video hang .. cry.gif

All the new FS not so fierce type. doh.gif
Dun like really want to fight.. just short arm push or just one chops.. rclxub.gif
When put in leaf.. can see they fight more fierce abit. laugh.gif

Heres's all the videos

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/D927627D57D67A2F

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hi
how u guys?
yesterday went graveyard to pray ancestor
found male FS, but didnt bring home.
not big, so i think not so strong.
have u ever caught banana FS? or bunga raya FS?
it shoud be fierce. how do u think?
i remembered u mentioned about fs caught in cameron, new species FS.
how was it? fierce? because i noticed that the forearm has stripes,
other areas same as normal FS.

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Hilo.

I'm bz with work nowdays... play FS to release tension. lol tongue.gif

U said u found male FS near graveyard? U found it from wat type of leaf? Or it just come out walking near the tombstone?

I only see those lousy spider near tombstone or grass nearby.. Those cant fight one.

Banana Leaf or Bunga Raya FS oso not really good fighter. Not fierce type... just some arm pushing or 1-2chops.

From my experience FS caught from green bamboo leaf, daun nipah, big leaves - (dunno wat name) so far strong and fierce FS.
Daun sirih/ wild pepper, Lily, pandan, sugar cane leaf FS oso quite ok.

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QUOTE(ngkl99 @ Mar 31 2008, 05:22 PM)
hi
how u guys?
yesterday went graveyard to pray ancestor
found male FS, but didnt bring home.
not big, so i think not so strong.
have u ever caught banana FS? or bunga raya FS?
it shoud be fierce. how do u think?
i remembered u mentioned about fs caught in cameron, new species FS.
how was it? fierce? because i noticed that the forearm has stripes,
other areas same as normal FS.

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Hi Mangrovejumper.

Can you list up what's you criteria for CHOPS FS?

I see in Jack vs KelapaSawit recent video, Jack still show normal FS fierce fighting stance but when close it will jump and attck.

I see some of the FS have unique fighting stance position.

Kaizer - both arms rise arm high and charge towards opponent and grab lock and bite.
Smallchops - arms open widen up and down, left and right and strong body thrust jump and bite opponent.
Joe - no fighting stance just walk close and bite (most of the time)
Redleaf - walk close and jump bite
Bro1 - normal fighting stand walk close and jump bite (vs Fairman)
Joe - walk close and jump bite

Sometimes i see chop FS just open wide arms/stay still and jump bite attck when opponent is near... just like spider besi/bandar/hantu tongue.gif
I think its more like killing technique.

Its risky to fight a fierce chop FS with weak FS.. sure kantoi 1. sweat.gif


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Wa.. u let ur new biggest FS fight with small Joe?
So much size different leh.. Joe like food only for Longman.

Kenot fight small with big FS.. sure lose/KO.


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[quote=mindstorm,Mar 30 2008, 01:41 AM]
1. longman vs joe(gasp)* shocking.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUlZPG6fyUc


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Viper:
Kaizer is a chop.  Let me know if you manage to mate him with a female.
The earlier video clips of Hope and Xinan show that they are not chops.  Perhaps you managed to convert them recently.  The newer clips don't show the early fighting stance, so I can't tell for sure.  They are all very good fighters.

Mindstorm:
Bro1 rocks!  He is worthy of an epic tale on his life.  Early on he got walloped kaw kaw by the bigger FSs, but now he is a grizzled veteran who can hold his own and has won many great battles.
It would be easier to track the development and maturation of your spiders if you can standardise your clip titles.  Include "spider name vs spider name, Date" as part of the title.  Winner on the left side. 
Will Longman get a shot at fighting Jack when he recovers?  Or will you save his butt?  laugh.gif

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It's a dilema sometimes. You want to your FS to fight fierce but then again if they're too fierce, they end up tearing each other up and u lose good fighters. Example is Joe. I actually like this classic chop although it didnt have the size but it ended losing one arm to longman.

As of last week and past few days i have several FS casualities due to different reasons.

Chop female died of old age.

Big head's wife 2(the biggest female) also died of old age. Caught 10/1/08(mentioned in Post #5, page 1), Died
28/03/08. Almost 3 months. It has been inactive for abt 2 weeks since i last took it out from the bigcage where it laid eggs but ate them up.

Bigleaf died 27/3/08. Caught 25/01/08(post #84, page 3). 2 months only. Died of old age too.

The other thiania species died. Damn. I accidently drop the container from a height of about 4 feet. The container hit the floor with such impact it bounce up and down two three times. I think the FS sustained internal injuries. It was hardly moving after and i noticed a bit of liquid on container wall where it was hanging on. Next day died. Shit.
(Mangrovejumper: remember the tuk-tak incident?)

Ioismall died. Here is one FS i didnt really document. I caught it behind my workplace. It was small and cannot really fight. Anyway i was just keeping for sparring. After some time it actually also turned chop! There is one clip on the 23/03/087 which i posted where it won Destroyer(5th clip) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK0-9l7qBn4. Ioismall head was slightly bigger than Destroyer. On the 29/03/07 again i fought Ioismall with Destroyer. This time Destroyer destroyed him. (i wrongly named Ioismall as ioimm). Next day ioismall died. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUJcAv9V-f4

Small chop is going to die today i think. Old age also. i didnt fight it at all since it lost its arm. It has been eating healthly since then and even last 2 days but dunno why today it looked bended arms and hardly moving. Caught 12/02/08, same day Bighead vs Archilles fight. Going to die 1/04/08. About 1 month 2 and half weeks.

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Longman vs Jack? Sure. It's only a matter of time before i fight them. Jack is getting old already. Also caught 12/02/08, same day as smallchop. I tried many many times to mate it, damn, it didnt work. Most of time female dont want. And twice i tied the female down but Jack ended up disinterested. I think now is getting too late. Anyway i'll fight them today.





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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 31 2008, 04:20 PM)
Yesterday found a big FS from pandan leaf further down my house. Its big.. bigger than all my other male FS.
The other earlier FS i caught from Gleneagles and my house nearby only
3 can fight abit.

The new FS rank from size
Hades - Big
Trojan- average size
Raptor - Big
F1 - small

Hades defeated Nexus in a fierce fight. Nexus initiated alot of chops and later both FS grab and lock each other like a ball and roll abit.
Nexus leg injured. Too bad my HP video hang .. cry.gif

All the new FS not so fierce type. doh.gif
Dun like really want to fight.. just short arm push or just one chops.. rclxub.gif
When put in leaf.. can see they fight more fierce abit. laugh.gif

Heres's all the videos

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/D927627D57D67A2F

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Wah, u have so many FS now. Yeah, new FS not so fierce. Raptor bigger than spitfire, spitfire didnt stand a chance.
Hades should fight Hope.

Good analysis u have there regarding chops showdown.

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QUOTE(ngkl99 @ Mar 31 2008, 05:22 PM)
hi
how u guys?
yesterday went graveyard to pray ancestor
found male FS, but didnt bring home.
not big, so i think not so strong.
have u ever caught banana FS? or bunga raya FS?
it shoud be fierce. how do u think?
i remembered u mentioned about fs caught in cameron, new species FS.
how was it? fierce? because i noticed that the forearm has stripes,
other areas same as normal FS.

c u.
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can keep mah, until u find another one.

Cameron wasnt that fierce. It lost to another FS i think, short push only. But it certainly looked exotic. Then again that was only one. It could have been a small one there. We dont know wheather there are bigger and fiercer ones up there.
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Today my metal shelving got swarmed by ants! The double sided tape no longer working. Luckily the ants were sugar ants...small one that feed on fruits. The ones where FS slings can eat. These type are not fierce enuf to attack the spiders but can be very irritating because they walk very fast. Anyway i added the age old method of ant defense..water.
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Here's my Bavia update.

Bavia hardly ate at all since i caught it. It saw one small fly dead, after that it didnt eat for days. Guess why. Because it was preparing to change skin! It moulted on the 25/03/08.
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Then it didnt eat until 30/03/08 when i saw the house cricket which i put in its cage sucked dry.
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But since it made the nest i have never saw it come out even when i saw the cricket dead.
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So today i took it out to appreciate the new Bavia.
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And here is a comparison of how big he/she(dunno male or female) is. The FS is Jack.
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Here is a Bavia short clip.
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New king?!

Here is the awaited match.. Longman vs Jack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW00y9Zb_rs
Notice how Longman tries to fight "normal"-arms spreading but Jack continuously tries to chop and lift.

I let Jack rest. 2-3 hours later i checked on Jack and he seems normal. Able to jump, all legs no problem.
So i thot let him fight again...

And the next NEW RECORD TIME FIGHT...2 minutes 35 seconds!!
Presenting Bro1 vs Jack. Chop vs chop. Almost equal size. Jack is slightly bulkier.
The fight started of with both chops leaping!
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Jack leaped higher and bite Bro1 on the head!! While biting Bro1's head, Jack mangled Bro1 by grabbing Bro1's abdomen. Holy shit, i thot that's the end of Bro1.
Pic-Jack left, Bro right
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Watch the fight to see wat has Bro1 turned into... Iron FS. Bro1 knows no pain.
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Can you list up what's you criteria for CHOPS FS?
Good description of the different styles of attack.

Different spiders will try different techniques...I think that's why we call them 1/2 chop, 1/4 chop, partial chop, full chop. It's similar to fighters that use muay Thai vs Jiu jit su vs Russian sambo vs pencak silat. Which is better? It depends on how good they are at it and how good the opponent is. The technique itself doesn't ensure victory, there are so many other determinants in a fight.
In a fight there's one gold standard of a chop FS:
A chop FS will not dance (side to side, forward and backward) with its opponent while showing a fighting stance and angry face. If you have one that does that, it's not a chop.

You are right that some other species of jumping spiders only display the chop attack. Others will only push. Some will not even touch each other before one runs away. Another type "Long legs" (not a jumping spider) will put a leg on the opponent's forehead to prevent biting...I don't know the scientific name of it, but they often live in Tembusu trees. No video though.
Attack methods come in a wide variety of ways.

QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 1 2008, 03:13 AM)
Here is the awaited match.. Longman vs Jack.
Notice how Longman tries to fight "normal"-arms spreading but Jack continuously tries to chop and lift.

Presenting Bro1 vs Jack. Chop vs chop. Almost equal size. Jack is slightly bulkier.
Watch the fight to see wat has Bro1 turned into... Iron FS. Bro1 knows no pain.
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The Bavia is a female la. Males are completely black in colour, remember? You can feed her with house spiders and film it. brows.gif

Bro1 vs Jack seems to require a bigger stage! More lighting is good too, should invest in brighter lights so that the colors are even better on the video capture. It will be an excellent upgrade for your spider lab.

Sorry to hear that the female chop is dead. The assisted mating video was recent, wasn't it? It's the only chop in your collection that has never lost a fight!

Never mention tuk tak. Horrible horrible incident that has forever scarred my memory.

BTW have you tried the chalk that kills ants? You can apply it on a tape that you wrap around the legs of your shelf for extra protection...powder is already dry so it doesn't lose effectiveness. It's also toxic to spiders though.

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Nice FS videos. rclxms.gif

For me, i see Longman like just defend only..Jack keeps on attack till exhausted and ran away.
Longman arm is longer and stands higher than Jack. All attack from Jack seems like hitting back on himself. tongue.gif

Bro1 vs Jack? Long match, both FS are fairly match but i feel the fight is only fierce at the beginning 20-30 secs only. After that both FS like resting, huggin each other and not moving much for long time. I didn't see much pushing effort from both FS oso. Bro1 have strong fighting will. rclxms.gif Jack seems like tired coz less chops attack .. maybe not fully recover after lost to Longman. hmm.gif

My new FS not fierce fighter when fight on platform.. only when fight in leaf more fierce.

Hades - large FS.. i think like BigHead or Archilles size. win other normal FS easily coz of its SIZE only
Trojan - so so.. can fight for short while only.
Raptor - big but lousy fighter tongue.gif

Hades fight my 5th King Scorpio oso lost. Short fight only.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/5A08C74612783598

Scorpio is an excellent fighter. Wanna try fight with your Bro1 or Jack... i think Scorpio got chance to win.
Or if you wanna fight with HOPE, XINAN, XONAN oso can. Crossfire recover already .. but i think let him rest more.

Nexus vs Trojan (Nexus won)
Nexus vs Hades (Hades won)

Nexus attack only with chops and grab.. no more arm pushing.. see the video.

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/B2AFFACD7D6318A8

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 1 2008, 06:13 PM)
New king?!

Here is the awaited match.. Longman vs Jack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW00y9Zb_rs
Notice how Longman tries to fight "normal"-arms spreading but Jack continuously tries to chop and lift.

I let Jack rest. 2-3 hours later i checked on Jack and he seems normal. Able to jump, all legs no problem.
So i thot let him fight again...

And the next NEW RECORD TIME FIGHT...2 minutes 35 seconds!!
Presenting Bro1 vs Jack. Chop vs chop. Almost equal size. Jack is slightly bulkier.
The fight started of with both chops leaping!
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Jack leaped higher and bite Bro1 on the head!! While biting Bro1's head, Jack mangled Bro1 by grabbing Bro1's abdomen. Holy shit, i thot that's the end of Bro1.
Pic-Jack left, Bro right
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Watch the fight to see wat has Bro1 turned into... Iron FS. Bro1 knows no pain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5qf3hEito
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Added on April 2, 2008, 8:45 amSo that means only Joe is a full CHOP FS?
Others like Jacks, BRo1, Redleaf, Kaizer are just partial chop?

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Apr 1 2008, 09:41 PM)
In a fight there's one gold standard of a chop FS:
A chop FS will not dance (side to side, forward and backward) with its opponent while showing a fighting stance and angry face. If you have one that does that, it's not a chop.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Apr 1 2008, 09:41 PM)
The Bavia is a female la. Males are completely black in colour, remember? You can feed her with house spiders and film it. brows.gif

Bro1 vs Jack seems to require a bigger stage! More lighting is good too, should invest in brighter lights so that the colors are even better on the video capture. It will be an excellent upgrade for your spider lab.

Sorry to hear that the female chop is dead. The assisted mating video was recent, wasn't it? It's the only chop in your collection that has never lost a fight!

Never mention tuk tak. Horrible horrible incident that has forever scarred my memory.

BTW have you tried the chalk that kills ants? You can apply it on a tape that you wrap around the legs of your shelf for extra protection...powder is already dry so it doesn't lose effectiveness. It's also toxic to spiders though.
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Bavia doesnt seem to want to eat house spiders. I have one inside its cage which already made a nest and laid eggs!

Yeah, probably get a table florescent light to put over the stage. In actual fact, I didnt think Jack really lost and the fight could have continued if the stage was bigger. The underside of the yellow paper was actually very smooth(the side for sticker) and so Jack couldnt grab on(jack grip is not as good as Bro1) and fell eventually. After that i saw a bit of liquid where Jack drop but his legs seem ok. In the video just before Jack fell i noticed some liquid on its right arm. Bro1 left arm was hurt, its tip bended and quite fixed. 1 hour later, jack looked better condition than Bro1. These 2 now are sworn enemies.

I caught the female chop so long ago i forgot when.. but surely it was old cuz its abdomen was completely brown and it has been bended arms for quite some time before it died. That mating was wasted.

I try not to use toxic stuff...in case some ants eat it and before it dies, it wanders into the spider area and get eaten by the spider.

You nail it to say the gold standard of chop is that they dont dance. Another point is that they dont do the arm wave push too.
So chop is
1) no dance
2) no arm wave push

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Bro1 vs Jack? Long match, both FS are fairly match but i feel the fight is only fierce at the beginning 20-30 secs only. After that both FS like resting, huggin each other and not moving much for long time. I didn't see much pushing effort from both FS oso. Bro1 have strong fighting will. rclxms.gif Jack seems like tired coz less chops attack .. maybe not fully recover after lost to Longman. hmm.gif
Probably Archilles vs Spartan is the longest ACTIVE fight i have seen. As we know now, most FS probably can't fight actively for more than the time u mentioned. Too exhausting. Even when we see human fight(boxing, kickboxing, tae kwon do), a lot of the time is spent moving around, positioning and not really exchanging blows. Even in UFC, there is stalling when fighting on the ground. Any FS that can continuously chop for a long time is bound to be a top fighter.

It amazes me when i look back at all of Bro1's fights. He was just a normal FS, sometimes losing with just a short push. Remember how it lost to Banglo with only one chop. How was it able to turn to one FS that doesnt seem to give up even against bigger FS like Longman. The last fight it had before it turn into chop was the fight where it got trashed by Jack. Looks like that was wat did it...

After some thinking back, I realized that Bighead and Kelapasawit are the only 2 males that successful mated. And these 2 are chop resistant. Bro1 has never mated since it changed skin. So now i propose another theory. Males that havent mated are more prone or will eventually turn chop while mated males stay non-chop. Looks like FS males that are not getting it become more aggressive... otherwise they will never get it! haha!

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Ya.. my other FS oso very fierce in fight.. like HOPE, XINAN and CROSSFIRE.
These 3 fighters are really strong..and when fight time like want to kill and wack its opponent kaw kaw.
The way they chop many times and strong push/chg position attack really scary. sweat.gif
My recent top rank FS fight videos.. see they wack each other.. u can see alot different in their fighting strength/power.

Ya.. BRo1 changes alot. Now become a strong fighter that don't want to lose in fights liao.
Its not even fear fight against a bigger FS like LONGMAN... really brave.. rclxms.gif
Time to test it to fight with my FS. tongue.gif

Xonan and Scorpio are good fighters but cant last long in fierce fight against mighty Hope/Crossfire/Xinan.
Or if you want to fight with my Top rank FS oso can la but abit risky. They all like want to kill instead of fighting.. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 2 2008, 11:43 AM)
Probably Archilles vs Spartan is the longest ACTIVE fight i have seen. As we know now, most FS probably can't fight actively for more than the time u mentioned. Too exhausting. Even when we see human fight(boxing, kickboxing, tae kwon do), a lot of the time is spent moving around, positioning and not really exchanging blows. Even in UFC, there is stalling when fighting on the ground. Any FS that can continuously chop for a long time is bound to be a top fighter.

It amazes me when i look back at all of Bro1's fights. He was just a normal FS, sometimes losing with just a short push. Remember how it lost to Banglo with only one chop. How was it able to turn to one FS that doesnt seem to give up even against bigger FS like Longman. The last fight it had before it turn into chop was the fight where it got trashed by Jack. Looks like that was wat did it...

After some thinking back, I realized that Bighead and Kelapasawit are the only 2 males that successful mated. And these 2 are chop resistant. Bro1 has never mated since it changed skin. So now i propose another theory. Males that havent mated are more prone or will eventually turn chop while mated males stay non-chop. Looks like FS males that are not getting it become more aggressive... otherwise they will never get it! haha!
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Added on April 2, 2008, 10:39 pmTonight kinda cold coz rain heavily at my place.
Took out some FS to fight. icon_idea.gif

All my FS seems like shrink small due to the cold weather.
Most of the FS doesn't seem want to fight, maybe too cold. tongue.gif


Hades vs Spar FS (Hades walk over)

Trojan vs Xinan (Xinan won. Trojan got chop by Xinan.. kena wack..lucky able to breakfree and ran away)

Xinan didn't display any fighting stance.. just walk close and chop!

Hades vs Xinan (Hades won! Short fight only. Xinan chop Hades but still lost.)

Looks like 2nite Xinan not really fierce or want to win in fight. hmm.gif

Hades vs Scorpio (Scorpio won! Good fight...about 20+ seconds. Tonight best fight!. Both fight with arm pushing and chop each other. Scorpio is more aggressive and able to do strong lock/push and force Hades to chg position few times. Hades lost balance few times coz kena chop and push by Scorpio. When Hades try to retreat, Scorpio bite on to its right arm and don't want to let go! sweat.gif Lucky i quickly blow some hot air at both FS and manage to breakfree both FS sweat.gif )

Scorpio is smaller than Hades but its a strong fighter. Its able to launch strong chops, strong push and chg position even against a bigger opponent Hades.
Hades not able to hold/def well against Scorpio strong attacks and chops push.

Something weird happen in Kaizer vs spar FS 2nite.. Kaizer do normal arm fighting stance and arm pushing! Short arm pushing only and the spar FS ran away.
Kaizer like become a normal FS ady.. no longer fierce or chops it opponent kaw kaw like last time.. dunno wat changes his fighting style. hmm.gif
I didn't record the video. laugh.gif

Heres the FS fight video.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/706F36BB72BA92FA


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Wah, viper, the last ranking u posted for top 5 was this.

HOPE
CROSSFIRE
XINAN
XONAN
SCORPIO

Now Hades has come in. Hades look big(u say as big as Bighead? or Archilles?), arms lreally long. It fought a good match with Scorpio but lost. Yet it won Xinan, which is 2 ranks above scorpio. I think Hades is still young, looks a bit lembik...but give it a few weeks i think it may take over Hope. If now u insert Hades in because it won Xinan then ur ranking would be

HOPE
CROSSFIRE
HADES
XINAN
XONAN

And SCORPIO out.

Now my ranking also not very sure. Theoretically at this moment it should be this.

Bro1
Longman
Jack
Kelapasawit
Redleaf

It is strange to have Bro1 on the top. Bro1 all along has been quite an average FS, losing simple fights. Also Longman and Jack is bigger than Bro1. During Bighead early days, Bro1 was no where at the top 5, being overshadowed by Bighead, Bigguns, Bigleave, Klang1, Topman, Blackhead and also later Blurman etc. Bro1 being top now seems to "jatuhkan" all my FS standard!!

So if to match ur FS, i would rather put it this way and they would match...

1. Longman - Hope (Size vs size)
2. Jack - Crossfire (Fight before, one win for each...3rd round to decide)
3. Bro1 - Hades (No choice here because Jack doesnt fair well against bigger FS like Hope or Hades, or Bro1 and
Longman could switch also)
4. Kelapasawit - Xinan(unknown expectation)
5. Redleaf - Xonan(unknown expectation)

The only fights from members of these 2 teams were on 4/5th March

Crossfire(Lily2)-won vs Jack - strong fight
Jack-won vs Crossfire(next day) - short fight where Jack bowl over Crossfire
Jack-won vs Xinan(X) - just touch
Hope-won vs Jack - strong fight
Hope-won vs Bro1 - short push

That time Bro1 also lost easily to ur Redleaf and Lily. Eh..wat happened to these 2 FS?

Of cuz u could decide ur team FS placing also.

This sat i can probably take half day(work till 1.30pm) so i can come or can we meet halfway?
Would have been a month since we last met.
Hope, Crossfire, Xinan, Jack, Bro1 still in the show since last time.
Hehe...this is gonna be exciting if we can meet. Hope my FS don't grow old suddenly...
Let me know.

PS. Mangrovejumper, how would YOU analyze it ? Which team would u bet on? wink.gif

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SCORPIO beat HADES leh.. how can he be out from the list? tongue.gif
Crossfire still weak.. i see its leg like not strong to stick on wall when walking.. not fully recover yet.. but still fierce coz it chops at females FS yesterday! brows.gif Quite strong chop n grab till roll like a ball.

Xonan long time no fight.. not sure still can fight onot..lol. I seldom train my FS nowdays. Abit worried the spar FS kena wack badly.
Last time HOPE wack the sparring FS kaw kaw.. so i dun let weak FS fight. Only let CrossFire fight with HOPE recently.

Mangrovejumper, any explaination for Kaizer becoming back to normal FS fighting style?
Yesterday it just normal short arm pushing and doesn't chops its opponent like it used to be.
Maybe after lost to Nexus, the "CHOP" disease has been fully transfer to NExus?

Or maybe Kaizer is not a CHOP FS but just fierce oni ?

Mindstorm, lets make it free for all to fight la. whichever FS you feel about same size or strong as my FS.. we let the fs fight.

Longman vs Hades
Jack vs Hope
Bro1 vs Xinan

I want to see how Bro1/Jack fight Scorpio/Xonan oso.. rolleyes.gif
CHOP vs non CHOp. see which FS is more fiercer. Fight with my other partial chop FS oso can.

Hope Hades can improve in fights after some friendly spar yesterday.. brows.gif
Not sure its still young or old... walk oso slow type.. not fierce type.. most of the time when kena wack only it will wack back. tongue.gif

Trojan, Raptor, SpitFire, F1, kaizer all like kecut ady after lost.... doh.gif

This Sat afternoon ? Check ady..I'm free. icon_idea.gif

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Mindstorm, lets make it free for all to fight la. whichever FS you feel about same size or strong as my FS.. we let the fs fight.

Longman vs Hades
Jack vs Hope
Bro1 vs Xinan

This Sat afternoon ? Check ady..I'm free. icon_idea.gif

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Yeah, can free for all. But before that must fight one to one for 5 FS first. More fair for the FS mah. If fight one with 2 or 3, sure not so fair for 2nd or 3rd fight, cuz the one FS sure tired.

Ok, Sat aft then.
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 1 2008, 08:43 PM)
After some thinking back, I realized that Bighead and Kelapasawit are the only 2 males that successful mated. And these 2 are chop resistant. Bro1 has never mated since it changed skin. So now i propose another theory. Males that havent mated are more prone or will eventually turn chop while mated males stay non-chop. Looks like FS males that are not getting it become more aggressive... otherwise they will never get it! haha!
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Haha! It makes me think of monks in the monastery. No women allowed there and they're all kung fu masters! bruce.gif

I do not know the matchups of the spiders since I haven't seen them in person. I agree on same size fights for best results.
If Hades is a large spider, then he needs to face Hope first. One of them faces Longman. Other than that I have no idea. I can't keep track of so many spiders. You can always have round 2 for different sized winners if they are unhurt after round 1. The grand champion faces the Bavia. shocking.gif (Just kidding!)

QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 2 2008, 06:39 PM)
Mangrovejumper, any explaination for Kaizer becoming back to normal FS fighting style?
Yesterday it just normal short arm pushing and doesn't chops its opponent like it used to be.
Maybe after lost to Nexus, the "CHOP" disease has been fully transfer to NExus?
Or maybe Kaizer is not a CHOP FS but just fierce oni ?
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I've never seen a chop revert back to a normal non-chop FS. I've managed to make some chops kecut in the past by continuously making then lose fights, but they never become non-chop. Too bad you don't have the clip to show. It does seem that it has spread among your fighters. The stance for Nexus is very similar to Kaizer's. One of the X spiders (Xinan?) could be a converted chop too.

Remember how some of your spiders died from the fuzzy white growth on the abdomen? I wonder if you can duplicate the experiment by feeding one of your training FS juice/sugar water. What happened to Archilles and Spartan remained a mystery.
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Mangrovejumper, Hades and Hope are both ,my spider.

I feel Hades should fight Longman coz big size.
I think HOPE and XINAN now are both converted to chop already as both start attacks with strong chops and continue to attk with alot of strong chops.

So chops vs chops:

HOPE vs Bro1 ?
XINAN vs Jack ?

Xonan and Scopio both are still normal FS can vs KelapaSawit/REdleaf.
If you wanna fight wih ur Jack of BRO1 oso can. icon_idea.gif

Kaiser really back to normal fighting spider fight style already. Yesterday during practice, Kaizer also fight like normal with fierce face and arm pushing and no CHOP attck during fight.. really weird.. Dunno wat changes his fighting style oso.

Mindstorm, great! looking forward for tomorrow afternon FS extreme fight. icon_idea.gif

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Yesterday short FS fight.

Trojan vs SpitFire (SpitFire won long push with light chopping)
Kaizer vs Hades (Hades won)
Xinan vs Trojan (Xinan won)

Mangrovejumper,

Can see in the video Kaizer fight like normal FS liao... rclxub.gif
Hades oso not fierce.. doh.gif tats why i put these 2 to fight.. tongue.gif

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/E04473606EB0449C

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Here's a reply to an email i sent. Liana, if you're reading this, hope you dont mind me posting the mail here. Thanks for the reply!

hi adrian, glad you enjoy fighting spiders, they are very fast and strong! skimmed thru the forum and i think its cool that so many people are interested in them. i caught all my spiders in singapore and found that they favour building their nests in between the leaves of the spider lily, as well as the large ixora plants. i rear the spiders i caught, but not the babies. for my experiment, to get virgin spiders, i reared the juveniles i caught from the wild. babies cannot be reared, from experience, they do not survive in captivity. eggs do hatch but the spiderlings rarely survive past the second instar. i have worked with other spiders and some can be reared from eggs. im not sure why thania cannot.

i chose this spider becos it is common and easy to catch, and i wanted to repeat a similar experiment done on another spider called the wolf spider. like the wolf spider, thania has very good eyesight and is a very good hunter. i cant really say much abt them fighting cos i didnt let my spiders fight at all.


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Hi, I'm Adrian from Malaysia.

i read about ur paper on
Title : Teenage flirting: its effects on mate choice
and offspring quality in female fighting spider
Thiania bhamoensis, which was quite recent last year
presented in University Scholars Programme.

Really surprises me that u have done a research
regarding this spiders. I am really curious how did u
come about choosing these spiders and topic. Did you
manage to hatch the eggs and rear the spiderlings?

Wonder if u still keep them.

Anyway i started this forum about them
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348
which of cuz depict alot about them figthing.
Maybe u can comment on them there.

Nice research though!

Cheers.

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Today FS fight really extreme shocking.gif .... cant wait to see the video.
Haf to wait for Mindstorm to upload.

Here's tonight my own FS fight.
Hades vs Nexus. (Hades won. Nexus try to chop Hades twice but failed. Hades counter attack with a strong chop and grab/lock Nexus till both FS become like ball. )

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/C1BF7D91582EA4DA


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Working today since morning...

Yeah, Sat was a great day. Viper and myself got to fight our FS and also catch some new ones after that and fight somemore!

We met outside and reached our destination about 5pm. It was a cloudy day. After looking around we found a nice spot on some steps under the sky, and this is our stage...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioorsPqCOZ4

We started off by fighting out sparring spiders...most of them cannot fight.
Winner on left.

Spitfire(Viper's) vs Destroyer(Mindstorm's)
Spitfire(Viper's) vs Jumper(Mindstorm's)
Justine(Mindstorm's) vs Spitfire(Viper's)(round 1 and 2)
Justine(Mindstorm's) vs Bigboy(Viper's, kecut)
Justine(Mindstorm's) vs Kaizer(Viper's, kecut)

After that we lined up our top 5 and set them to match each other like this
1. Hades(Viper's) vs Longman(Mindstorm's)
2. Hope(Viper's) vs Jack(Mindstorm's)
3. Xinan(Viper's) vs Bro1(Mindstorm's)
4. Xonan(Viper's) vs Kelapasawit(Mindstorm's)
5. Scorpio(Viper's) vs Redleaf(Mindstorm's)

Starting from bottom, here is Scorpio vs Redleaf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fvqw5b8SGY

Next, Xonan vs Kelapasawit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc2Us9gI1_s

One point for each of us. Damn, then it started to rain...we had to move our fighting ring to a shade area....
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icon_rolleyes.gif This morning found a young male FS before went to work. Average-small size.

The leaf/nest
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The FS
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No time to let it fight yet.. haf to wait till i finish work later...

Ya, Mindstorm. Sat FS fight really extreme man. shocking.gif Its been long time i've seen such FS fight where fierce FS fight with strong killer chop attack, arm lock/grab its opponent and powerful fight blow till death or badly injured. The recent fight HOPE vs Crossfire/Xinan oso very fierce but fight at the edge of platform and fall off..

Xinan vs BRO1 and Hope vs Jack fights are really really fierce man. Cant wait to see the video.

If its a bigger FS with these fighting skill qualities, smaller FS don't have much chance to win more less to survive in the fierce fight.

Xonan is not in his normal form tat day doesn't seem want to engage in long fight or want to win. Since lost to Crossfire last week,..Xonan still like kecut/no mood to fight. I think maybe Xonan is in the process to become a chop also.
Hades oso got abit chop skill, tat day strong chop at Nexus. If Hades oso become a chop, it will a deadly chop coz of its BIG size. sweat.gif

In New FS vs Xinan and Hope matches, both my FS like no match to the New FS.
i feel my FS like looking for place to hide as the day is getting dark.

The weather that Sat evening kinda bad.... slight windy, raining, and sky getting dark fast coz about 7pm ady.. Normally spiders will sense the changes of the weather and will quickly find place for shelter. I oso think the FS oso abit blind at evening/dark place.

My FS HOPE and Xinan both have recover from their injuries. Ready to fight again.
Maybe next time we can let the FS fight on sunny hot day under shade will be good.
The FS will more more alert and ready to fight.

Hope to get more new big/large FS tat are good fighters.

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Hiya.... the new FS i caught this morning lousy fighter..lost to SpitFire easily.

Since my FS recover ady from Sat FS fight, i let them fight 2nite. icon_idea.gif

Lotsa strong CHOPS attack from my top ranking FS : HOPES, XINAN and CROSSFIRE tonight!
I let my FS fight under 2 flourescent light! Its very bright so the FS can see properly:clap:

The FS fight tonight.

Xinan vs Trojan (Xinan won thrash Trojan easily)

Xinan vs Scorpio (1st Rd won by Xinan great chop technique! Xinan chop and grap Scorpio but get slam dunk by Scorpio till upside down instead! shakehead.gif Xinan still won coz, Scorpio ran away after flip Xinan. 2nd Round won by Scorpio! Fight till on my finger coz have i extend the platform sweat.gif )

Hades vs Hope (Hades won! Can see Hope do some arm attack after chop attack. In 2nd round, Hope put up strong fight, both FS grab and chop each other few times. Hope lost and leg abit injured. Maybe injury from Sat FS fight still not recover properly yet.. hmm.gif TOO BAD my video not working .. din managed to record the fight, reaally wasted doh.gif )

Hades vs CrossFire (CrossFire won!. Hades try to bite Crossfire but kena chop back. Hades cant stop Crossfire strong chop.. maybe too tired after fighting Hope.
CrossFire still not as active like last time but still very fierce. CrossFire chop attack is damn powerful! shocking.gif Even Hades a bigger FS also cant def/hold from Crossfire chop attack. sweat.gif )

Looks like my top rank FS all become fierce CHOP fighters already.. shocking.gif
See the videos how they Chop and grab its opponent. The opponent also quite strong and able to break-free. Hmm.. hmm.gif maybe oso coz duwan to get injured badly from the fights and quickly ran away. tongue.gif

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/EC6CCA456F9D1EBA


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ok, continue Sat's story...

Next fight is Xinan vs Bro1. Bro1 doesnt look healthy like xinan. Not really jumpy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ac8q0Xn_0Y
Holy cow! Critical injury match.

Top 2 fighters. Hope vs Jack. Hope was in top shape. Like just caught in the wild. Jack a bit like Bro1, not walking with jerkiness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJW6lDpWV-g
Death match. With such a powerful top down chop on the head and then stomach attack, the victim doesnt stand a chance... It was over in no time.

3-1 for Viper. Viper essentially won the team event with devastating results. rclxub.gif Xinan and Hope is clearly chop now and killer chops too.

For completeness sake, next is Hades, the largest FS present, vs Longman, the largest one i've got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sts8umOwAVE

In the end. 4-1 for viper. Viper owns the fiercest and most wicked FSs that day. notworthy.gif What a blow for my team, albeit old team. I am left to bring home injured and dead warriors.

Kelapasawit is the only top 5 FS i got that still havent lost. So fight with Xinan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM66zGaB69E

With this i have no more FS to fight. Sigh.

Viper then fought his own FS. One of them is Scorpio vs Xonan, showing "the throw".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M88tU0ITv8

6 something. We proceeded to walk back to car, but because there were so many areas around us to catch some more FS, we did just that!

In the end, Viper caught another 3 males and i caught 4 males - 3 FS and one Bavia male!
Viper's FS was small to average, I got 2 average and one slightly bigger one...Nightstalker.
Anyway, we fought our 3 new FS. Here's where we held our final fights for the day..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlj1HTpXw_A

Viper's new FS all either lost or kecut.
So we proceed fight my new winner Nightstalker with Viper's Xinan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXLAuBCtl0
What a surprise.

Next Nightstalker with Hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW7aVRcPic0
Upset again!

Nightstalker vs Scorpio. Last fight for the night. Getting dark. About 7.30pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPX8NCH95H0
Surprise again! Essentially a circular ranking.

Viper's Scorpio had the last win. Viper still have all his kings. I lost 2 old but precious fighters but gain a new good fighter. What an evening that was. What extreme fights.


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Ganas man.. 2 Fatality from Saturday FS fight. sweat.gif Bro1 and Jack died...tried to stop the fight but still die. sweat.gif

In Xinan vs Bro1, both FS attk with arm bitting each other. Xinan is more aggresive and continue bite bro1 arm when its arm got breakfree.
When Bro1 try to retreat, Xinan chased and chop from back at Bro1 abdomen and fight till Bro flip upside down! Xinan continue bitting back Bro1 arm and don't want to let it go. Bro1 seems exhausted/fainted in upside down position.. not moving or try to breakfree. Looks like Xinan's venom already weaken Bro1... shocking.gif

In Hope vs Jack fight, Hope chop attack is too fast, powerful and totally demolish Jack defend. After chop, Hope in upside down position still grab tight and keep launch strong chop bites that penetrate Jack's arms and legs. Lotsa blood spilled out on the fighting platform when Jack try hard to breakfree from Hope. Jack's arm was injured badly and able to breakfree abit from Hope at the edge of the platform. This is where Hope deliver the final killer blow.. strong chop at Jacks head and abdomen. shocking.gif
After confim Jack is dead, we put Jack corpse back on the platform for Hope to eat. Hope saw Jack's corpse and immediately jump and chop again. The chop attck was so powerful till Hope itself turn upside down at the same time bitting Jack's corpse tightly. Hope then feast on Jack corpse and still grab it tightly without letting it ran away. Man.. even dead corpse oso Hope don't want to let it go.. must wack till die and eat them up. shocking.gif
If other normal FS, they will approach slowly and will leave once confirm its a the dead corpse. If the normal FS is hungry.. maybe it will eat the dead FS corpse.

Man.. my FS fight to kill.. strong bite and don't want to let go. Even when try to blow warm air, my FS still bite on tightly to ur FS.. have to use hand to push them few times only can breakfree them. I think next time we haf to use water spray to breakfree the FS fast if the FS try to ran or breakfree.

Your new FS: NightStalker is very active and alert at evening/dark time.. it can fight well and good at attacking FS weak spot like teeth, arm and leg!
My Xinan teeth kena bite and Hope leg kena bite oso by Nightstallker. Both my FS try to counter attack back few tmes but failed.
Your Nightstalker like a good tactical fighter.. attack its opponent weak body part thus blocking them from counter attack properly. sweat.gif

Theres 1st round when Xinan kena ambush by Nighstalker. Xinan seem like blind abit din realize or see properly. You haven't upload the video?
The teeth bitting is 2nd round.

By the time wanna fight HOpe with Nightstalker, its quite dark already. HOPE oso like blind and just simply chop Nightstalker without proper aim.
Leg kena bite and block Hope attack from hitting Nightstalker.

Too bad that Saturday raining and get dark quite fast, maybe next time we can meet up earlier in the noon time and fight our FS again.
Mindstorm, your 2 other new FS good fighter? You going to look for more new FS?

My current FS

HOPE
XINAN
SCORPIO
HADES

CROSSFIRE
NEXUS

XONAN
SPLITFIRE
KAIZER

Other sparring FS i've already let go.

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Thanks for the vids. Sorry to hear of the loss of Jack and Bro1. They were at a disadvantage fighting Viper's bigger, healthier and younger spiders. Kinda proves the hypothesis of "peaking" at a certain point in the adult spiders' lives and then diminishing.

It's amazing how fast the spiders are converted to chops. Early on nobody had any chops. Now more than 1/2 the spiders are chops.
I guess if you want to mate them, you better do it before they lose interest in mating. Otherwise you'll have to catch good sized adolescent spiders and let them moult in captivity. As Liana wrote, you may never be able to breed slings to adults.

I'm surprised that you were able to find a male Bavia so quickly. It's exciting to know that they're still here despite the rampant development and pollution.


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My FS are about the same size like Mindstorm FS. I don't think my FS are much younger oso coz fully matured already.

One thing i have to agree is my FS are more healtier and active compare to Jack & Bro1.
MY FS, Hope and Xinan oso have recover well from their earlier week injury due to fierce fight among each others..

Hope vs Crossfire
Xinan vs Crossfire/Xonan
Scorpio vs Hades

I feel maybe Jack & Bro1 still not fully recover/exhausted from their recent fight last week just before Saturday.
Jack vs Longman
Jack vs Bro1
Bro1 vs Longman.

On Saturday fs fight,
Jack not able to block Hope strong chop attack
Bro1 able to block Xinan and give some counter attack back.

If compare to my own fs fights tat nite.. only Scorpio and Hades able to block the chop attack few times.
The best block is from Scorpio, managed to block Crossfire chop and slam Crossfire upside down.
Nightstalker also able to block both chops from Hope n Xinan tat day.

Maybe chop fs fight differently.. more on attcks n less defensive techniques?

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Apr 8 2008, 08:50 PM)
Thanks for the vids.  Sorry to hear of the loss of Jack and Bro1.  They were at a disadvantage fighting Viper's bigger, healthier and younger spiders.  Kinda proves the hypothesis of "peaking" at a certain point in the adult spiders' lives and then diminishing.

It's amazing how fast the spiders are converted to chops.  Early on nobody had any chops.  Now more than 1/2 the spiders are chops.
I guess if you want to mate them, you better do it before they lose interest in mating.  Otherwise you'll have to catch good sized adolescent spiders and let them moult in captivity.  As Liana wrote, you may never be able to breed slings to adults.

I'm surprised that you were able to find a male Bavia so quickly.  It's exciting to know that they're still here despite the rampant development and pollution.
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Added on April 9, 2008, 10:32 pmHere's tonight my own FS fight icon_idea.gif

SpitFire vs Kaizer (SpitFire won, long push)

SpitFire vs Nexus (SpitFire won. Nexus chop by kena wack back.. 1 teeth torn off shocking.gif)

Xonan vs Trojan (Xonan won. Arm pushing and Xonan chop once Trojan ran off doh.gif )

Xonan vs Hades (Xonan won. Arm pushing, Hades chop 1x but Xonan counter attack by chop 3X back and won !)

Scorpio vs Xonan (Scorpio won. Arm pushing, Xonan chop 2x but later ran away. 2nd round just short arm pushing and Xonan gave up)

Crossfire vs Scorpio (Crossfire won. Crossfire chop 1st, Scorpio evade and counter attack with bite arm, grab each other and lifted Crossfire up!, Crossfire was too fierce and force Scorpio to retreat)
2nd round..Scorpio saw Crossfire and move close ready to fight. Crossfire saw n chop hard at Scorpio till both flipped upside down roll on the platform few rounds! After breakfree, Scorpio ran off)

Here's all the FS fight video.
http://download.yousendit.com/2EEFC8DD6B6B64D6

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Lesson I learn from sat's fight is that if you see ur FS walking without jerkiness, most probably will kena hantam.

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Theres 1st round when Xinan kena ambush by Nighstalker. Xinan seem like blind abit din realize or see properly. You haven't upload the video?
The teeth bitting is 2nd round.
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Wah, you can remember so well after so many fights. I thot that one short fight, no sure which is which so i din upload.

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Mindstorm, your 2 other new FS good fighter? You going to look for more new FS?
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Didn't really have have time to rank my FS yet since Sat. Sort of just feeding them at the moment. At the moment my FS in a "mess", dunno which is better than which. Only know maybe Longman and Nightstalker can fight.

Wah, viper, ur FS a lot of fighting.

Hades standard quite weird. In the earlier fights, can win Hope, but lose to Crossfire so many times.
Then also lose to xonan, which was ranked fourth and also visibly smaller. Hades also display fighting stance for long time, with arms wide apart.

Nexus looks like chop already?

Your FS still fighting very actively.



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A bit of deviation from FS...

Here's my male Bavia today. The first pic eating a small cockroach i found in my room and the last pic in his makeshift habitat(see if you can spot him there). The FS is Longman.

Viper, in case u find one male Bavia during ur FS hunts, make sure catch it hor... Bavia fight!

I have one male and one female Bavia, just moulted not too long ago... I'm sure you know what is coming next. hehe.

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Ya.. Nexus already become chop quite some time ago.. last time vs Kaizer time oso chop abit already.. time fight with Splitfire oso quite fierce chop.
After lost to Splitfire last time, i notice Nexus quite weak. After rest for few weeks, Nexus attack also still not fierce and not strong anymore. Either the venom or injury from fight not fully recover yet. Yesterday fight Nexus also lost to SpitFire and suffered a broken teeth.

Crossfire attack skill still strong but its leg still abit weak.

I test fight Scorpio/Hades vs Crossfire to see whether normal fs can defend/fight well or not with fierce chop.
It seems abit difficult if the chop FS launch a strong chop and managed to grab on its opponent. If the normal fs able to block well, then the FS will stand a better chance to fight back. From Scorpio fight vs Crossfire few days back, i can see Scorpio can fight well against Crossfire. Scorpio managed to block chop and counter back with chops to force Crossfire fight onto my finger. Hades oso can def from Hope chop attacks.

Here got one video where Hades kena chop and grab by HOPE but still able to breakfree and ran.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/D97611253BC94E4D

I'm abit confuse how come that day when HOPE chop, Jack got injured quite badly. But when HOPE fight with my other FS, my other FS able to breakfree and ran away.. rclxub.gif

Ya.. ur Bravia spider is spider hantu.. i saw one bfr last time but no catch.. scary leh... sweat.gif

Quite big .... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 10 2008, 12:03 PM)

I'm abit confuse how come that day when HOPE chop, Jack got injured quite badly. But when HOPE fight with my other FS, my other FS able to breakfree and ran away.. rclxub.gif

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Hope managed to do the jump over on Jack and attack its abdomen but i think Hope didnt hang on. Hope somehow became upside down but can continue to grab and eventually bite the base of Jack's left arm , i think. I also think that was where all the blood came from. Also can see Jack left arm was severely crippled. Then later after that, the attack on Jack's abdomen underside was the truly fatal blow.

Jump over is a serious chop technique. Only when a FS is alert and fast can it be prevented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7-5VOXZzFI
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Previously, Jack oso jump over and attack other FS.. eg BigHead, BigLeave, Bro1 but all of them able to breakfree and ran.

I think its Hope tight grab and continue to attack after launch strong chop at Jack that cause Jack injured badly.

Jack saw Hope, ready to fight but unable to stop/block Hope chop attack.
Hope attack on Jack was very fast and fierce. The attack caused serius injury on Jack's arm and leg. Jack cant ran far due to the serious injury and the fight was over ady.

Other FS that caused serious injury when chop was Smallchop Vs Lily3. Lily3 arm was injured badly and cant bend.
Strong chop at enemy weak body part is deadly sweat.gif


My current FS.

HOPE
XINAN
CROSSFIRE
SCORPIO
XONAN
HADES
SPITFIRE
KAIZER

I've already let go Nexus this evening. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Today i fought my spiders but no good show because most of them not good fighters.

Long man
Nightstalker
Kelapasawit
Redleaf
IOImm
Justine
Jumper
Hogee
Destroyer

I will only keep top 4 and Destroyer. Tomorrow i let go others.
Redleaf getting bended arms so quite old already. Caught same time as jack i think.
Kelapasawit caught since CNY! Still can fight but can see slowing down.
I think Longman can challenge Hope. That day Longman kecut after losing to ur big Hades, so didnt fight with Hope.

Longman vs Nightstalker got 2-3 chops. Both times i fought them, Longman won.
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Here is a mating of an elusive jumping spider species. Bavia mating...

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Pretty smooth and violent-free mating but took such a long time...

Here's the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcps8jkshHg

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The Display Behavior of Bavia-Aericeps (Araneae, Salticidae), a Jumping Spider From Queensland

RR Jackson

Abstract

Bavia aericeps Simon is a large plurident jumping spider that frequents palms and other trees in tropical Queensland, building unusually strong and spacious nests on the undersides of leaves. The display repertoire of this species is large and complex, numerous distinct visual, vibratory, and tactile signals being used. Courtship is versatile, each male using one of three different mating tactics depending on the female's maturity and location. Type 1 courtship, involving specialized movements and postures of the legs, palps, and body, occurs if the female is an adult away from the nest; apparently this type of courtship is vision- dependent. If the male encounters an adult female inside her nest, he uses Type 2 courtship, which consists of movements that cause the silk to vibrate. If the female is a subadult inside her nest, the male initially uses Type 2 courtship, then builds a second chamber on the female's nest and cohabits until she moults and matures. Other displays occur during male-male and female-female interactions. Male-male interactions are particularly ferocious, the spiders often being upended and stunned. However, cannibalism seems to be of minor importance in this species.

Australian Journal of Zoology 34(3) 381 - 409

Full text doi:10.1071/ZO9860381

Comments: Same genus but dunno wheather same species. They're right about them building spacious nests. Look at the nest of my Bavia female which she built at the corner of the container. Double layer somemore.
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Here is a beautiful rather big vivarium.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b8XJmLC1Ls&feature=related
Vivarium is getting popular in the west because many people rearing poison arrow frogs. Imagine this vivarium has plant suitable for FS...then can rear a FS population inside....no need go out catch. smile.gif To me a well designed vivarium is as beautiful and eye-awing as a well designed aquarium.
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Here's this evening fight

Hades vs Trojan (Hades won) Bigger size will dominate.. tongue.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmocUiAtb-g

Scorpio vs Trojan (Scorpio won) . Trojan try to attack Scorpio from the back/side but Scorpio an experienced fighter managed to defeat Trojan with ease. rclxms.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMqEF2bPt8

Xonan vs Trojan (Xonan won) Not much fight... Trojan abit kecut ady. Feed Trojan with fat flies till fat fat but still not strong in fights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBRuIfcDaao


I've uploaded my other earlier fights video in youtube also. icon_idea.gif
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=dellxps888&p=r


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one of my hobby at kampung.. way back when i was still a little boy...
hehehe... always all kotak mancis in my room... biggrin.gif
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Ya.. this type of Fighting spider activity are more common in Kampung area coz more FS there.
More people play and always can see exciting fights.

Do share some of your experiences ... hows ur FS fight like?

Last time little boy play now adult also can play fighting spider also. Now more experienced can take care of the FS better.

Okla.. check out today my FS fight video 14/4/08.

http://www.youtube.com/dellxps888

1) Trojan vs Scorpio (Scorpio won)

2) Hades vs Scorpio (Hades won! Good fight icon_idea.gif . Hades getting better in fights. rclxms.gif )

Hope there will be more people interested with fighting spider's fights.

Do post some comments on the fights. flex.gif

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QUOTE(carloompunk @ Apr 14 2008, 07:21 AM)
one of my hobby at kampung.. way back when i was still a little boy...
hehehe... always all kotak mancis in my room... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 14 2008, 09:59 AM)

Okla.. check out today my FS fight video 14/4/08.

http://www.youtube.com/dellxps888

1) Trojan vs Scorpio (Scorpio won)

2) Hades vs Scorpio (Hades won! Good fight  icon_idea.gif . Hades getting better in fights.  rclxms.gif )


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Scorpio fight so many rounds still dare to fight. Brave fighter.
Looks like you loaded a lot of ur clips up. thumbup.gif
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Here is a follow email from Liana

To: adrianlwk@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Fighting Spiders
From: "Liana Tze Ann TANG" <Liana_TANG@nlb.gov.sg> Add Mobile Alert
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:55:37 +0800

actually, i managed to breed my spiders last time because it was part of my research to observe mating and to make the females produce eggs. but you must be really really patient and do not disturb them while they are courting.

first you must make sure the female is mature. you can do this by observing if their epigyne on the underside of the abdomen is clearly visible. then try this trick -- to prime the area u are gonna put them in, you try and leave her inside for 4 hrs or more (overnight also can) before introducing the male. this allows for the air in the container to be saturated with her pheremones. this may facilitate courtship. the most important part is to make sure you put them in a quiet and undisturbed environment, bearing in mind that these spiders have such good sensors of vibration and eyesight, any movement from you will distract them.

for my experiments, some took very short, abt 15minutes to mate, but most took more than half an hour to mate. but once u see them being very aggressive to each other, they probably wont mate. sometimes, they will come together and mate one more time after the first time, so you may want to leave them inside the area for a while after the first mating.

my setup was a room with a table that had dark curtains around it, and i had holes cut into it for my ease of observation. that was how i avoided visually distracting them. as these spiders are sensitive, its probably wise to turn off sound sources like music while u are at it.

my spiders eggs all managed to hatch, except a few where the female decided to eat the eggs. i left them in the same cage as i believe the female might play a role in cleaning the egg nest of fungus and mites, but this is not proven or observed.

some tips to help spiders survive better in captivity - try and include some plant clippings like a leaf or two in the cage. make sure the leaf is not some strong smelling one that may be toxic when u cut it. also make sure there is enough humidity, like put a freshly wet cotton ball in the cage regularly. cos spiders do need a lot of water.

its nice to meet a fellow biologist. CMB is tough! hope you have some luck with the spiders. hope you can help keep the love for nature and the environment alive in these enthusiasts.



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Thanks for replying.

Good idea getting virgins by capturing them as
juveniles. As i think u know too, the adult females
are almost impossible to get them to breed.

Thanks for the insight that babies cannot be reared in
captivity. Somehow it gives me more determination to
find out why and HOW to be able to rear them in
captivity. For something so common, it bewilders me to
think that it is so difficult to rear a full life
cycle of these spiders.

Anyway, if you ever think of doing any other research
on Thiania again, you can know for sure, I'll be the
MOST interested person in the WORLD to know.

Cheers
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PS. I am from NUS too in 1993. Stayed in Sheares Hall.
Did science, majored CMB and zoology. Stressed but
really enjoyed studying there. My favourite place..the
science library, biology section. Favourite canteen,
Arts though. smile.gif

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I am getting worse results than Liana. The batches that i had all failed to hatch...including Bighead generation.
Something is wrong.

Differences between the conditons of eggs I have and in the wild.
1. No female
2. Not on a leave but on plastic
3. Too bright?

I think as Liana said, the female is important because some of the batches of eggs had black fungus growing on the web and they failed to hatch. Most of them turn brown and sort of dried/wrinkled up.

Maybe having the eggs on a living leave is important. I had a female out in my garden which laid eggs on the underside of a leave. All the eggs i think successfully hatched because a lot of slings came out. (but now dunno where they go, all dead i think) Gaseous exchange? Or maybe the plastic have toxic that somehow harm the eggs?
Even the batch of eggs given to me by Viper which was also laid on plastic doesn't look good. The female is still there guarding the eggs.

The eggs i kept under certain shade with tape also failed to hatch. How bright is bright? In the wild i also see nest being made in leaves that are not that shaded, so there is a certain amount of light being able to penetrate those thin leaves too.

could it be the food i feed the my females? There is a batch of eggs which was laid(also on the plastic container) probably one or two days after i caught the female... even that failed to hatch.

Are the eggs not fertilized?

In the end, i think the most obvious reason is probably the plastic and light.

My next strategy is to follow Liana advice to make the environment as natural and as disturbance free as possible.

If i fail to be able to breed FS, i feel as i am doing a disfavour to FS. Not only have i failed to enhance their genes but by catching them and keeping the best, i am taking out the best genes out from the wild. Hence the wild will have weaker fighters to breed with the females. As a result it will be difficult to continue the hobby with lousy fighters around in whatever leftover natural places we have in our urban environment. As such, the hobby will also die out slowly. It becomes unsustainable. Of course, even if there are 50 people playing FS like viper and me, i doubt FS will pupus from Malaysia. But it becomes more difficult. From history we can see the most popular pets are pets that are able to be selectively bred by man. Guppies, Bettas, Discus, FlowerHorn, Koi etc and all types of cats and dogs are all bred for their beauty and uniqueness. Fighting animals although mostly frown upon are also bred for their strength and fighting ability. A special case is Murai(magpie robin) which is still imensely popular in many parts of malaysia(usually old chinese area) and even hongkong too despite, like FS, they are also, if i am not mistaken, caught from the wild as babies. I have yet to hear of a Murai breeder. But with such stakes and popularity in Murai fighting, i am surprise there isn't one. Maybe there is. Here are some forums on Murai.
http://www.pet-cockatiel.com/Dboard/viewforum.php?f=62

If, however, someone can find out the secrets to breed FS effectively and have a relatively simple way to bring up the slings to adulthood, and if a few people get into it, then FS hobby will have a new meaning, a new life... afterall more and more people stay in condos and FS keeping doesn't take up much space. It also means the hobby can travel all round the world.

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Another recent forum from singapore about FS
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/308155

A blog by Mr Oldbeng whom i emailed
http://oldbeng.blogspot.com/2008/03/spider...ing-spider.html

Another blog(need to scroll down)
http://walkherewalkthere.blogspot.com/2006...re_archive.html

A very old forum already closed down
http://www.fishingkaki.com/forum/viewtopic...3923c6735f09bd1

One of the earliest FS video posted online - 10/02/07 by someone named Jimmy Chai
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/349838/spider_fight/
Earlier than the first one you posted on 17/06/07 on youtube, Mangrovejumper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4hJd5Gs2ng

A malay blog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4hJd5Gs2ng

Thiania Bhamoensis is certainly a jumping spider with many names...

"brothers" breed/"Abang Adek"
"couple"
"Kop" breed
"Ang Gay("Red Fangs") or Ang Gong"
"king kong" breed

Gostan Pow: When engaging in a battle, will start to move forward and backwards.
Tai Ban Kang: A very large male.
Chilli Padi: Small in size but very aggresive, can even take on another which is larger than itself.
Kang Bu Pow: Couple.

neng kah type
The Black colored ;
The pineapple breed;
The pandan leave;
The blue banded;
white legged

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Currently no other new FS to fight, kinda bored coz not much exciting fights between my lower ranking FS.
Too bad, not many people here in Low Yat net play FS, except me and Mindstorm. If got more people play, sure can see more good fights.

This afternoon i went to Tasik Perdana look for more new FS. Weather quite hot but i continue to search high and low look for strong FS. tongue.gif
Since its quite hot and dry, i find it quite easy to find FS nest in leaf. If its after rain, all the leaves look like overlapping and waste alot of time tring to pry open the leaf one after another1.

I'm quite lucky today, managed to catch 3 average size FS from Spider Lily plant and 3 more average size FS from these leaves. icon_idea.gif
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FS caught from Spider Lily plant their colours are more bright compare to the other 3 FS, those 3 looks quite dark and fierce... Hmm.. darker FS.. maybe chop? drool.gif
All the 6 new FS size average but definately not small. icon_idea.gif

After reach home, wat else? Let the FS fight la. tongue.gif
I set a group fight.. Lily team (L1, L2, L3) vs Dark team (D1, D2, D3).

L1 vs D1 (D1 won.. hiya.. just short arm pushing.. no kick)

L2 vs D2 ( L2 won. same oso.. easy win..sien doh.gif )

L3 vs D3 (L3 won! D3 looks like a chop! got fight but still lost. L3 rox! thumbup.gif )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sj5lBdrlH0

Hmm.. Lily team won! 2-1. rclxms.gif Hiya.. dark FS team look ganas but only D3 abit fierce and D1 can fight abit.

Next i let the new FS fight with my own current FS. drool.gif

L3 vs Kaizer (L3 won. Just arm pushing.. Kaizer and Spitfire both seems very weak nowdays.. i oso dunno wat happen. rclxub.gif )

L3 vs Trojan ( L3 won! Trojan seems like going to become a chop soon.. see its it attack.. like trying to grab and chop.. but still weak)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Ek34lcb7Y (Round 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU0teZxNFME (Round 2)

L3 vs Scorpio (Scorpio won! Experienced FS win! L3 can only defend 3 chops from Scorpio before retreat. Not bad..hope can improve more later)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGiSzB9vgko

Scorpio vs Hades rematch! (Hades won again! Scorpio push Hades far down and chop Hades 2X but Hades def well and counter chop back. Hades won! rclxms.gif )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XSUvnL6kv0

Xinan vs D1 (Xinan won. Xinan chop and lock hard D1. After trying desperately D1 managed to breakfree and ran away)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RF407KPgcA

Hope vs Xonan (Hope won! Xonan also like abit chop liao.. ran quite wild. Fight at the rear stage. Hope came up from the stage side, chop and lifted up Xonan! Xonan also chop and fight back! Exciting fight)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QKo7ZUgQjU

Hope vs Hades (Hades won! Best fight for tonight. See the video man.. Fierce fight! Hades won but left arm injured. Hope not injured.. maybe lost coz exhausted after fought Xonan earlier. If continue fight 2nd round vs Hades maybe can win. : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdoia5nIsw

I only upload some of the good fights for today. Check out the FS video tongue.gif

I've rename L3 as Vanguard. Got good potential to become a good fighter. icon_idea.gif


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some say those that live in banana trees leaves are stronger than those living in normal leaves.. is it true?
does the str of the FS depend on the leave size?
been so long since i caught FS..
I still remembered people wanting to buy mine for 10 bucks.. haha..
too bad the game is kind of dying among the younger generation..
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Hm.. hard to say. I've caught 1 FS from banana leaf early in Feb tis year.. can fight but lost to lily plant leaf FS.

I feel the strength depend more on the FS size and fighting will. Some FS quite fierce and don't want to give up easily in fights thus keep on fighting till win.
Some chop FS also very fierce but still lost to normal strong FS with good fighting skills..

I also long time din play FS, after i saw this topic posted by Mindstorm then only i start to play FS again. tongue.gif
Last time in my skool days.. my fren got sell FS for about RM2. Wa.. ur RM10 buck FS must be quite large and fierce FS?
Ya.. kinda sad coz not many people play nowdays and not easy to find large fierce FS...

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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Apr 15 2008, 11:28 PM)
some say those that live in banana trees leaves are stronger than those living in normal leaves.. is it true?
does the str of the FS depend on the leave size?
been so long since i caught FS..
I still remembered people wanting to buy mine for 10 bucks.. haha..
too bad the game is kind of dying among the younger generation..
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Added on April 16, 2008, 10:03 pmNice FS links.. enjot reading though the sites.

THe Fish1401 guy from FishingKaki forum seems like a good fighter. Most FS dun kill other FS.. only the fierce one/very hungry ady will kill..


I've PM Fish1401:
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Hi Fish1401.

You still play FS now? How is your last year KING? How long u keep it?
I and my friend, Mindstorm also got play back FS since early this year. I'm from KL, Malaysia.

Mindstorm Fighting Spider forum:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348

Some of my Fighting Spiders fights.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dellxps888

Do give some comments on the fighting spider fight videos.
You think my fighting spider/Mindstorm FS can beat your KIng? biggrin.gif

Cheers,
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Yeah.. i've uploaded some short FS fight this evening. Trojan already become a chop FS... see its fighting style.. chop attack. Vanguard lost to Trojan easily.
Darkstar is D3.... chop FS but seems very weak. Yesterday lost to Vanguard.. 1 leg still standing.

My other new FS, SpitFire, Kaizer and Xonan cant fight.. all kecut. I wanna release them already.

You don't fight ur FS already?

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I've reply in the SG forum, hope can get some good response.
They give ranking to their FS like army/soldier.

Tai ban kang - General/ Commando

Chilli Padi - Sergeant/ Elite Infantry men

Gostan Pow - Private

CHOP fs - Assassin.


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Hi Melbournite.
I'm from KL, Malaysia and currently still playing with FS.

Check out some of my own FS fights and also with my friend, Mindstorm FS. Do give some comments on the spiders fight.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348/+0

http://www.youtube.com/user/dellxps888

http://www.youtube.com/user/adrianlwkeat

Good to know there are others also interested with fighting spider.


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Here in LYN, kinda dull, not many people join in and write interesting FS experiences.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 15 2008, 10:56 PM)
Another recent forum from singapore about FS
http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/308155
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Hi,
I am a noob in FS. I just caught afew spiders but none of them engage each other.only spread arms and then back away.some help pls?
Thanks

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What type of spiders you caught? Izit same like the one posted here? Male or females spiders?

FS colour : blueish, shining green, pale green stripes on their body.

Maybe u can snap some pic and post up here.

Some young FS after chg skin still not ready to fight.. Skin not yet hard. Their colour kinda pale type.

You can try fold leaf and let the FS fight inside leaf, FS fight more aggresive especially inside a covered leaf/nest.

Okla..see some of my FS fights video. Fierce onot? tongue.gif

Xinan vs Vanguard (Xinan lost. Xinan attack with strong chop till Vanguard flip upside down but later Xinan arm kena bite!. Xinan try to breakfree and continue fight but still lost)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y3Is5tAnmQ

Crossfire vs Vanguard (Crossfire won. Strong chops attack by Crossfire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qESVDDkzle0

Scorpio vs Trojan (Scorpio won. Most exciting fight for 2nite. Trojan kena wack earlier but suddenly counter attack back with fierce chops! Scorpio fought back and won! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZTgVeR7e-4


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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 17 2008, 09:30 PM)
Hi,
I am a noob in FS. I just caught afew spiders but none of them engage each other.only spread arms and then back away.some help pls? Btw juvenile FS has slightly diff colour right?
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 17 2008, 10:36 PM)
What type of spiders you caught? Izit same like the one posted here? Male or females spiders?

FS colour : blueish, shining green, pale green stripes on their body.

Maybe u can snap some pic and post up here.

Some young FS after chg skin still not ready to fight.. Skin not yet hard. Their colour kinda pale type.

You can try fold leaf and let the FS fight inside leaf, FS fight more aggresive especially inside a covered leaf/nest.

Okla..see some of my FS fights video. Fierce onot?  tongue.gif

Xinan vs Vanguard (Xinan lost. Xinan attack with strong chop till Vanguard flip upside down but later Xinan arm kena bite!. Xinan try to breakfree and continue fight but still lost)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y3Is5tAnmQ

Crossfire vs Vanguard (Crossfire won. Strong chops attack by Crossfire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qESVDDkzle0

Scorpio vs Trojan (Scorpio won. Most exciting fight for 2nite. Trojan kena wack earlier but suddenly counter attack back with fierce chops! Scorpio fought back and won! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZTgVeR7e-4
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Hi, yes its the same type but 2 of the smaller one has diff colour but use the "spread front claw" technique . Got white spots on black head with some pale yellow stripes that run vertically. Head not as fat. Not sure if its juvenile FS cos I am noob


Added on April 17, 2008, 10:48 pmsome male some female, but the male face quite black. Will try to take pics when I can, but my macro not good


Added on April 17, 2008, 11:06 pmI tried with a piece of coloured paper but didn't work.FS wave at each other then one will run away

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fuahhh this topic roxx... bring back my old time memoriess!!!
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Hi, nice to see some new nicks around. I was quite busy last couple of days.

Ass: White spots on black head with yellow strips. Sounds like an interesting spider which i havent seen.
But if you put 2 different species of spiders together, usually they won't engage becuz each spider don't know the power of the other type of spider mah....so 2 also tend to be precautious. Unless of cuz if you know how to catch those really garang ones.... like golden spider. By the way, where did you catch your spiders? Leaves? House? Of cuz, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Viper:
I did post this comment on 3rd April, post# 375, page 19.
"I think Hades is still young, looks a bit lembik...but give it a few weeks i think it may take over Hope."
Looks like it came true. Hades seems to be toughening up.

Pretty good fights. Scorpio is still a good fighter. Vanguard is certainly good fighter. Crossfire seems a bit injured from fighting him.

Let me see..is ur top ranking now like this?

Hades
Hope
Crossfire
Scorpio
Vanguard
Xinan
Trojan

Xinan vs Trojan was a terrific match! Although the both of them seems to be the bottom last 2 among the good fighters here.

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I put a wrong link to the malay blog. Here's the correct one.
http://attoch.blogspot.com/2006/03/laga-spider.html

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fuahhh this topic roxx... bring back my old time memoriess!!!
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Yellow stripes with abit white and black colour spiders.. hmm.. izit like bee colour type? I got play with spiders tat like
bee colour yellow white and black stripes when i was young. I also got play with spider red, white and black colour like lady bird bug

This 2 type of spiders i consider cute type tongue.gif

Look abit like this spider pic.
http://www.naturephotosociety.org.sg/dcfor...rumID2/684.html

Those spiders arms quite short and slim type body size also small. Only some of those spiders can do abit arm pushing fights and most of them just raise arms and move away. Now seldom see already..

Male spider pandan Black and white stripes oso can fight abit but not exciting type..

Male spider Bandar and male spider Besi more fierce...these two are born chop killers.

I've fought my Black FS with these Spider Bandar/Besi before. My FS show angry face and ready with arm fighting style.. Spider besi/bandar saw
but stay still and wait my FS approach.. when near. They will jump and chop attack..!!

I've saw some male/female Spider Bandar /Spider Besi very huge size shakehead.gif scary..

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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 17 2008, 10:46 PM)
Hi, yes its the same type but 2 of the smaller one has diff colour but use the "spread front claw" technique . Got white spots on black head with some pale yellow stripes that run vertically. Head not as fat. Not sure if its juvenile FS cos I am noob


Added on April 17, 2008, 10:48 pmsome male some female, but the male face quite black. Will try to take pics when I can, but my macro not good


Added on April 17, 2008, 11:06 pmI tried with a piece of coloured paper but didn't work.FS wave at each other then one will run away
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Added on April 18, 2008, 12:00 pmYa, i also feel Hades and Trojan have potential to become a good fighter. Previously both FS can fight abit and defeated other normal FS easily.
Hades and Trojan size also quite big and look strong. Thats why i keep and let them spar with my higher ranking FS. tongue.gif

The recent Hades vs Hope match. Hades won but left arm injured..I got the video showing Hades arm injury.. left arm become straight and cant bend for about 1-2 days. If i continue let Hades and Hope fight 2nd/3rd round, Hope sure will 1. Here's the video where Hades arm injured fighting Hope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN4oMsDnBpU

Vanguard can fight abit but average size only. Yesterday won Xinan 1 coz managed to bite tight at Xinan arm.
Crossfire not injured after fought win Vanguard. Crossfire movement abit sluggish since lost in a fierce fight against Hope previously where one of its leg broke off. Till now Crossfire seems not active like last time but still very fierce.

Xinan vs Trojan? I think u are referring to Scorpio vs Trojan yesterday fight. From the video, Trojan just walk past Scorpio at the start of the fight.
Later when Scorpio ran close to challenge, Trojan still like not serious or want to fight. After kena attack and push/chop few times by Scorpio, Trojan starts to "Awake" and fight more fiercely.. Trojan launch few strong chops but Scorpio defended well. After realize cant win, Trojan tried to retreat but Scorpio chased and managed to block Trojan from running away few times using its arm. tongue.gif

Somehow i feel my FS which have chop attack skill like HOPE, Xinan , Crossfire, Trojan kinda blind or not very active at night. They missed when try to chop its opponent and don't seem want to fight long. Too bad, i working in day time and only got little time to play FS at night.. about 1hr only sweat.gif If

How's ur Darkstalker and Longman doing? I think ur Darkstalker maybe can become a chop FS also coz fought with Hope and Xinan last time.
Normaly the FS will become kecut abit 1st but later become very fierce chop fighters.

My FS like Kaizer, SpitFire, Xonan also become back to normal FS already.. no longer chop or fierce attack, just arm pushing and ran away.
Nexus still can chop but very weak since lost to SpitFire.
I've let go all these good fighters.

My current FS ranking

HOPE
HADES
Xinan
Crossfire
Trojan
Vanguard
Darkstar

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 18 2008, 01:58 AM)
Viper:
I did post this comment on 3rd April, post# 375, page 19.
"I think Hades is still young, looks a bit lembik...but give it a few weeks i think it may take over Hope."
Looks like it came true. Hades seems to be toughening up.

Pretty good fights. Scorpio is still a good fighter. Vanguard is certainly good fighter. Crossfire seems a bit injured from fighting him.

Let me see..is ur top ranking now like this?

Hades
Hope
Crossfire
Scorpio
Vanguard
Xinan
Trojan

Xinan vs Trojan was a terrific match! Although the both of them seems to be the bottom last 2 among the good fighters here.
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 14 2008, 10:21 AM)
I am getting worse results than Liana. The batches that i had all failed to hatch...including Bighead generation.
Something is wrong.

Differences between the conditons of eggs I have and in the wild.
1. No female
2. Not on a leave but on plastic
3. Too bright?

I think as Liana said, the female is important because some of the batches of eggs had black fungus growing on the web and they failed to hatch. Most of them turn brown and sort of dried/wrinkled up.

Even the batch of eggs given to me by Viper which was also laid on plastic doesn't look good. The female is still there guarding the eggs.

could it be the food i feed the my females? Are the eggs not fertilized?

In the end, i think the most obvious reason is probably the plastic and light.

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Good questions. I don't think it's the plastic. House spiders can lay eggs on artificial surface and it worked for them. The eggs are definitely fertilised. You personally observed it.

Sun light may play a factor, but what about humidity and temperature? Nest grooming/cleaning by the female may play a factor (removing dirt/fungus). Did the drinking water you spray get on the eggs? Perhaps the eggs needs some humidity but not too much.

I previously suggested breeding FS in the wild so that you can replicate the natural process. It's not too difficult, considering that you now know exactly how long it takes the batch of eggs to hatch.

You can find a standalone shrub or plant that is free of other FS (or you can clear one) and put a female that is ready to lay eggs there (you have the info of the gestation period too). Shouldn't be too hard to find a nice nest/make a nest for the female. They don't roam like males do which makes your job easier.

Once the eggs hatch, you can take some of the slings back into captivity if you want to try to rear them. If a few run away before you can capture them, it's okay. You don't need the whole batch. If you fail at least you can convince yourself that some of the slings could make it in the wild and you didn't lose the whole gene lineage.

The other thought that was previously presented is, if you want to test your breeding and rearing methods, you don't need good fighters. What you need are a lot of pre-adult females. Keep them until they moult and then they breed easily. After all you need to perfect your method before you try with Bighead-type gene lines.

It's a more complicated process than we first assumed, obviously.


The Malay blog is amat kelakar sekali. Tak reti nampak lelabah menjimak. Mesti rujuk blogger tu kepada klip video anda yang bergelar "Jack Kissing". Pasti dia dikagumi...sampai mulut pun ternganga.

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Lol.. man.. tat guy spider story damn funny. laugh.gif

I've email him direct on this forum and our youtube video links.
Hope he will reply and share more interesting stories/experience on FS

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 18 2008, 01:58 AM)
I put a wrong link to the malay blog. Here's the correct one.
http://attoch.blogspot.com/2006/03/laga-spider.html
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 18 2008, 08:26 PM)
Lol.. man.. tat guy spider story damn funny. laugh.gif

I've email him direct on this forum and our youtube video links.
Hope he will reply and share more interesting stories/experience on FS

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Ok, got improvement today. The 2nd biggest spider I have went to engage the biggest one. But got smacked in the face then went running...I will post pics when I have time. The spiders are caught from spiderlily and some other climbing plant.
and ya, the adult spider is bee patterned and shiny, juvenile has white spots on head instead of pattern...but the juvenile seem more fierce than adult
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Good. Got pic better. Spiderlily plant normally got FS. The bee pattern spider i think is different species.

Here's tonight short FS fight video. icon_idea.gif

Hades vs Darkstar (18Apr2008)
Darkstar eventho much smaller but still launch fierce chop attack at Hades few times!
Hades tried to defend but still get push few steps back! In the end Darkstar gave up and retreat. (more)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqD0PoXK8GY

Hades vs Vanguard (18Apr2008)
Hades strong push attack is unstoppable. Hades won!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogv98w-vbvc


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Ok, got improvement today. The 2nd biggest spider I have went to engage the biggest one. But got smacked in the face then went running...I will post pics when I have time. The spiders are caught from spiderlily and some other climbing plant.
and ya, the adult spider is bee patterned and shiny, juvenile has white spots on head instead of pattern...but the juvenile seem more fierce than adult
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how big does a spider be to be considered big?I am taking pics of spider on the graph paper now.
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If FS, the large FS i saw should be around 10 sen coin size. Some average size FS about 1 or 5 sen coins.
Maybe there are bigger size FS out there but i haven't seen yet.

I saw Spider Bandar about 50 cent size, Spider Besi about 20 cent size... no joke.. damn huge. sweat.gif

Here's 20 sen size Spider Bandar pic which i've caught and let go bfr at Tasik Titiwangsa.

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The Spider Bandar 50 sen one i found inside SpiderLily plant.. don't dare to catch coz damn huge.. sweat.gif


Here's Archilles & Spartan pics.

Archilles - About my thumb nail size.
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Spartan - Slightly smaller than Achilles
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how big does a spider be to be considered big?I am taking pics of spider on the graph paper now.
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Xinan vs Trojan? I think u are referring to Scorpio vs Trojan yesterday fight. From the video, Trojan just walk past Scorpio at the start of the fight.
Later when Scorpio ran close to challenge, Trojan still like not serious or want to fight. After kena attack and push/chop few times by Scorpio, Trojan starts to "Awake" and fight more fiercely.. Trojan launch few strong chops but Scorpio defended well. After realize cant win, Trojan tried to retreat but Scorpio chased and managed to block Trojan from running away few times using its arm.  tongue.gif

How's ur Darkstalker and Longman doing? I think ur Darkstalker maybe can become a chop FS also coz fought with Hope and Xinan last time.
Normaly the FS will become kecut abit 1st but later become very fierce chop fighters.

My current FS ranking

HOPE
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Crossfire
Trojan
Vanguard
Darkstar

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Ya, i got it wrong. Shld be Scopio vs Trojan. Great fight.

Longman and Darkstalker. They're still ok. I should have time this sunday morning to fight them. But won't be exciting i think cause size too much difference.

I dont understand ur ranking. Why is Hope above Hades even though Hope lost to Hades?

Refering to:
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Hope vs Hades (Hades won! Best fight for tonight. See the video man.. Fierce fight! Hades won but left arm injured. Hope not injured.. maybe lost coz exhausted after fought Xonan earlier. If continue fight 2nd round vs Hades maybe can win. : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEdoia5nIsw
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Also why is xinan above vanguard when it also lost to Vanguard?

Refering to:
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Xinan vs Vanguard (Xinan lost. Xinan attack with strong chop till Vanguard flip upside down but later Xinan arm kena bite!. Xinan try to breakfree and continue fight but still lost)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y3Is5tAnmQ
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But i think it is because of Trojan. Although Vanguard won first. Later it lost to Trojan. And Trojan lost to Xinan? And Xinan win Crossfire?

Refering to:
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L3 vs Trojan ( L3 won! Trojan seems like going to become a chop soon.. see its it attack.. like trying to grab and chop.. but still weak)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Ek34lcb7Y (Round 1)
I've rename L3 as Vanguard. Got good potential to become a good fighter.

Yeah.. i've uploaded some short FS fight this evening. Trojan already become a chop FS... see its fighting style.. chop attack. Vanguard lost to Trojan easily.
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Lastly, what happened to Scorpio? It won Trojan in that exciting match, right? But no where in your ranking.


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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Apr 18 2008, 04:03 PM)
Good questions. I don't think it's the plastic. House spiders can lay eggs on artificial surface and it worked for them. The eggs are definitely fertilised. You personally observed it.

Sun light may play a factor, but what about humidity and temperature? Nest grooming/cleaning by the female may play a factor (removing dirt/fungus). Did the drinking water you spray get on the eggs? Perhaps the eggs needs some humidity but not too much.

I previously suggested breeding FS in the wild so that you can replicate the natural process. It's not too difficult, considering that you now know exactly how long it takes the batch of eggs to hatch.

You can find a standalone shrub or plant that is free of other FS (or you can clear one) and put a female that is ready to lay eggs there (you have the info of the gestation period too). Shouldn't be too hard to find a nice nest/make a nest for the female. They don't roam like males do which makes your job easier.

Once the eggs hatch, you can take some of the slings back into captivity if you want to try to rear them. If a few run away before you can capture them, it's okay. You don't need the whole batch. If you fail at least you can convince yourself that some of the slings could make it in the wild and you didn't lose the whole gene lineage.

The other thought that was previously presented is, if you want to test your breeding and rearing methods, you don't need good fighters. What you need are a lot of pre-adult females. Keep them until they moult and then they breed easily. After all you need to perfect your method before you try with Bighead-type gene lines.

It's a more complicated process than we first assumed, obviously.
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Yeah. I was thinking about the house spiders too. But then I wondered... why does fighting spider does not adapt themselves to live among rocks and concrete or behind old planks/junk lying in peoples houses/garden like house spiders? I'm sure there are crevices in piled up bricks/junk or concrete slabs laying around in abandon sites. House spiders can be found in shurb leaves like the one we caught in seremban(surely they originate from there before human civilization). And yet they can breed in concrete/human junk area. Why does certain type of jumping spiders remain among leaves? Does leaves confer a kind of exudate that has antibacteria/antifungal action that may help hatchability of these spiders' eggs. Maybe house spider eggs are more resistant to bacteria/fungal infection without leaves hence their adaptability.

I doubt anything to do with humidity or temperature caused these 2 factors are fairly consistent in Malaysia, wheather in a room or under the shade. But still something to consider.

Problem is i don't have a nice garden. At this point, I still don't really know the exact incubation period. 3 times i had eggs in money plant keep in the container, and everytime the female ate the eggs. Too much disturbance i think. I am also wondering wheather the type of plant leaves can affect hatchability. Also i think if the eggs fail to hatch and grow stale, the female would eat them too.

yeah, getting it right is what I want to acheive now. At least i know some ways can't work now. Being able to adapt breeding in an artificial system is important for conveniece and efficiency of work. People are obviously detered from doing something if it is too complicated or take up too much time(eg to feed or harvest). But now, obviously, the first thing is to get it working.


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Now i know which spider u're refering to as Spider Bandar. Picture worth a thousand words. I have seen these spiders but never play with them. I always equate them to be a variant of the ones with similar pattern but with black stripes we often see in the house.

I also never think they can be 50 cents! This i must see with my own eyes to believe. Even my Bavia is just barely that size.

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Opps.. i miss out Scorpio in earlier rank list.. my bad. tongue.gif

HOPE
HADES
Xinan
Crossfire
Scorpio
Trojan
Vanguard
Darkstar

Actually my FS ranking is not accurate, i just rank them based on their recent fights form sweat.gif
Somemore i only fight my FS at night around 8.30pm ... think some of my FS not really want to fight also. I prefer to let the FS fight in the afternoon or daytime where the FS more active and aggressive. rolleyes.gif

In recent match Hope lost to Hades but Hades left arm injured quite badly.. become straight cant bend.. after 1-2 days only ok back. sweat.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN4oMsDnBpU
Technically Hope will win Hades if continue to fight.. so Hope still Rank No.1. Somemore i didnt prepare Hope to really fight Hades..
If i do so, Hades might injured or die in fights. sweat.gif

Hades not yet fought with Xinan recently.. but based on its current fighting form and SIZE, i feel Hades might win Xinan.
If i really want Xinan to win also can.. coz Xinan also an aggressive fighter. shocking.gif

Xinan get rank higher coz Crossfire lost 1 legs , movement still awkward and not as active like last time.
But.. i feel.. Crossfire is more fiercer and fights with killer bites attack maybe can kill/injured Xinan oso.

Actually my real ranking if i prepare my FS for real fights not to practice sparring will be:

HOPE (strong, fierce chop, excellent fighter)
CROSSFIRE (powerful fierce chop, excellent fighter)
XINAN (Fierce chop, good fighter)

HADES (Big strong fighter)
SCORPIO (Strong fighter)

TROJAN (average chop, good fighter)
VANGUARD (good fighter)
DARKSTAR (chop, average fighter)


When you free? Lets come out and play FS. I'm off tomorrow. icon_idea.gif
Any1 got FS also can come join us. MOre the merrier and more fun.

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I've saw some of the female FS in my house garden hiding underneath flower pots hole few times, i also saw some female FS inside a dried leaf nest and got some spiderlings inside also.

Nowdays.. i only can find female FS at my house garden.. hardly see any male FS..dunno where they all went hiding liao..

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Yeah. I was thinking about the house spiders too. But then I wondered... why does fighting spider does not adapt themselves to live among rocks and concrete or behind old planks/junk lying in peoples houses/garden like house spiders? I'm sure there are crevices in piled up bricks/junk or concrete slabs laying around in abandon sites. House spiders can be found in shurb leaves like the one we caught in seremban(surely they originate from there before human civilization). And yet they can breed in concrete/human junk area. Why does certain type of jumping spiders remain among leaves? Does leaves confer a kind of exudate that has antibacteria/antifungal action that may help hatchability of these spiders' eggs. Maybe house spider eggs are more resistant to bacteria/fungal infection without leaves hence their adaptability.
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After reading up the post, memories of catching fighting spiders during my primary school days caught my mind.
Let me introduce myself first, my name is Alex and im staying in Singapore. My school was a very old school and behind the school there was a "forest" which we called it. The place was full of mosquito, when i was in primary school many of my classmate and some school senior loves fighting spiders and whenever the school ends we would go to the back of the "forest" to catch spiders. But finding a male fighting spiders isnt an easy job, we tend to always find a female one. We spend like 6 hours feeding mosquito and gain nothing after the hunt :'( sometimes we do catch great and ferocious spiders. I do remember i had one fighting spider with totally black HEAD which we all normally called it "Hei Bao" but normally it is always in small size, but this spider is like even he knows that he wouldnt won the fight it will still fight till the end and somehow till it died which had the "never give up" spirits. And one we called it "Cop Bao" which its grap hold of the opponent bites it till it died and sometimes jumping on its opponent as the first move ! Few months back i went to the "forest" of my primary school the place was like lesser and lesser plants there and when i tried to search for some spiders, there isnt any more ! Sigh.......
Ok guys hope to share my story here !
Can add my msn at Lex1989@hotmail.com thanks ~!
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hey,im from Singapore too.if you want spiders then can go to the central cachement reservoirs. There are many there
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Hi Lex123.

Good tat u share some of your FS experience here. This forum topic less ppl wanna reply except few ppl like me, mindstorm, mangrojumper etcs. blink.gif The newer Hi-tech youngster here dunno nuts about these FS craze or even seen the FS fight bfr tongue.gif .

Yeah.. its not easy to find big/largeFS.. have to go to the rite place. Town area i think hard to get ady..
I 've caught quite alot of average size male FS from my housing area and lake gardens.
When i go hunt for FS, i'll wear proper cothes like track bottom, long sleeve jacket, sport shoes, caps so i don't have to worry much about mosquitoes.

Large FS that fight using alot chop/bite attacks and very strong is my favourite FS. Last time my skol fren go1.. damn exciting when i saw it fight.
When fight face to face, it will move close in range and jump attck its opponent arm and keep attack with strong arm pushing and alot of bites attack.
His FS like keep deliver strong punch continuosly till its opponent fainted laugh.gif Its weak opponent normally will injured quite badly/die in the fights. shocking.gif


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QUOTE(Lex123 @ Apr 19 2008, 12:21 PM)
After reading up the post, memories of catching fighting spiders during my primary school days caught my mind.
Let me introduce myself first, my name is Alex and im staying in Singapore. My school was a very old school and behind the school there was a "forest" which we called it. The place was full of mosquito, when i was in primary school many of my classmate and some school senior loves fighting spiders and whenever the school ends we would go to the back of the "forest" to catch spiders. But finding a male fighting spiders isnt an easy job, we tend to always find a female one. We spend like 6 hours feeding mosquito and gain nothing after the hunt :'( sometimes we do catch great and ferocious spiders. I do remember i had one fighting spider with totally black HEAD which we all normally called it "Hei Bao" but normally it is always in small size, but this spider is like even he knows that he wouldnt won the fight it will still fight till the end and somehow till it died which had the "never give up" spirits. And one we called it "Cop Bao" which its grap hold of the opponent bites it till it died and sometimes jumping on its opponent as the first move ! Few months back i went to the "forest" of my primary school the place was like lesser and lesser plants there and when i tried to search for some spiders, there isnt any more ! Sigh.......
Ok guys hope to share my story here !
Can add my msn at Lex1989@hotmail.com thanks ~!
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yeah, large FS do have many fighting experiences. But first of all I would like know how to breed FS ! If i would to hunt FS it would be very tedious ! When i went to hunt FS last time I bring Sissor, transparent plastic bags, some container and one can of insect repellent. Before entering the "forest" i mention i spary my legs,hands and spary some on my plam and rub it over my face to prevent mosquitos. Then i would start to look out for sticked leaves, i would use a stick to check whether is it sticked and check if there are any FS in it because im afraid if i would check with my hands maybe there might be a hantu spider that would probably bite me ! , if there is really a male FS in it, I would start to use a plastic bag to cover both the sticked leaves and use the sissor to cut off the leaves, therefore the FS could not escape. When huge FS fight, they usually doesnt let his opponent off easily they would either kill it or eat it. Sigh... its not easy to find FS in Singapore anymore but i believe they still exist in some places. Nowadays youngsters only stay at home playing computer games, how would they know what FS are ? If mindforce breeding FS can success i would really start hunting for FS, as for today i went back to my primary school "forest" to hunt for some, to my surprise i cannot find any ! the forest is no more intense as i seen it last time and part of the land is use for commecial use. I travel all the way back to my primary sch because i saw this forum ! in chinese called "xin xue lai chao" so i travel back there immedialty to hunt but in the end no sign of them. Only saw a mango tree full of mangoes.. haha !


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hey,im from Singapore too.if you want spiders then can go to the central cachement reservoirs. There are many there
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central cachement reservoirs, what kind of spider are found there ? mind giving me your msn ? or add me in msn Lex1989@hotmail.com thanks ! XD maybe we can go and hunt for FS if u got a good spot there ! msn msn msn !! please !! XD some picture please !! Give me your msn please !!!

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Dunno, but got alot type of spiders. I went upperseletar and there got millions of other spiders, and mosquitoes. Posting pics in progress...

This is big claw, from upper seletar. 2nd biggest male spider

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Dunno, but got alot type of spiders. I went upperseletar and there got millions of other spiders, and mosquitoes. Posting pics in progress...
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yeah thats fighting spider !! XD which saturday are you free ? wanna go spider hunt together ? HAHA !!
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Some other giant spider i found. only got 5 legs


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My spiders fighting- Longclaw won

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Ass, your FS Longarm quite big. rclxms.gif
Good catch. rclxms.gif

Today i went to Tasik Perdana, caught 3 average size male FS.. only one FS can fight and its a fierce CHOP shocking.gif
Name it as ThunderHawk .

At night i let the FS fight ... i think bad decisions.. lotsa upset tonight.

ThunderHawk vs Darkstar (ThunderHawk won.. Fatality. Thunderhawk came back at the end and finish off Darkstar)

Trojan vs Vanguard (Vanguard won.. Trojan ran away with 1 arm broken cry.gif )

Check the FS fight videos in my youtube videos.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dellxps888

k.. gtg damn sleepy .. down with bad flu but still play FS at nite.. bad decision.. doh.gif

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QUOTE(Lex123 @ Apr 19 2008, 12:21 PM)
After reading up the post, memories of catching fighting spiders during my primary school days caught my mind.
Let me introduce myself first, my name is Alex and im staying in Singapore. My school was a very old school and behind the school there was a "forest" which we called it. The place was full of mosquito, when i was in primary school many of my classmate and some school senior loves fighting spiders and whenever the school ends we would go to the back of the "forest" to catch spiders. But finding a male fighting spiders isnt an easy job, we tend to always find a female one. We spend like 6 hours feeding mosquito and gain nothing after the hunt :'( sometimes we do catch great and ferocious spiders. I do remember i had one fighting spider with totally black HEAD which we all normally called it "Hei Bao" but normally it is always in small size, but this spider is like even he knows that he wouldnt won the fight it will still fight till the end and somehow till it died which had the "never give up" spirits. And one we called it "Cop Bao" which its grap hold of the opponent bites it till it died and sometimes jumping on its opponent as the first move ! Few months back i went to the "forest" of my primary school the place was like lesser and lesser plants there and when i tried to search for some spiders, there isnt any more ! Sigh.......
Ok guys hope to share my story here !
Can add my msn at Lex1989@hotmail.com thanks ~!
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Yo, welcome man. What school did u studied in? I was from Singapore too...studied in Serangoon South School. I think from 1980-1984. Looks like we are not the only ones that call chop spider "chop spider". Singapore is really developed now. Hard to find them when majority of the people there live in HDB flats.


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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 20 2008, 08:13 PM)
Dunno, but got alot type of spiders. I went upperseletar and there got millions of other spiders, and mosquitoes. Posting pics in progress...

This is big claw, from upper seletar. 2nd biggest male spider
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Hoho... first singapore FS in this forum. Looks like a good specimen but unfortunately didn't have much staying power against Longarm. Longarm looks great too. Both looks like matured specimens.

The graph paper you used is how many mm per square? The one i used in my photos was 1 mm. I think yours is 2mm?

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QUOTE(Lex123 @ Apr 19 2008, 07:13 PM)
yeah, large FS do have many fighting experiences. But first of all I would like know how to breed FS ! If i would to hunt FS it would be very tedious ! When i went to hunt FS last time I bring Sissor, transparent plastic bags, some container and one can of insect repellent. Before entering the "forest" i mention i spary my legs,hands and spary some on my plam and rub it over my face to prevent mosquitos. Then i would start to look out for sticked leaves, i would use a stick to check whether is it sticked and check if there are any FS in it because im afraid if i would check with my hands maybe there might be a hantu spider that would probably bite me ! , if there is really a male FS in it, I would start to use a plastic bag to cover both the sticked leaves and use the sissor to cut off the leaves, therefore the FS could not escape. When huge FS fight, they usually doesnt let his opponent off easily they would either kill it or eat it. Sigh... its not easy to find FS in Singapore anymore but i believe they still exist in some places. Nowadays youngsters only stay at home playing computer games, how would they know what FS are ? If mindforce breeding FS can success i would really start hunting for FS, as for today i went back to my primary school "forest" to hunt for some, to my surprise i cannot find any ! the forest is no more intense as i seen it last time and part of the land is use for commecial use. I travel all the way back to my primary sch because i saw this forum ! in chinese called "xin xue lai chao" so i travel back there immedialty to hunt but in the end no sign of them. Only saw a mango tree full of mangoes.. haha !


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central cachement reservoirs, what kind of spider are found there ? mind giving me your msn ? or add me in msn Lex1989@hotmail.com thanks ! XD maybe we can go and hunt for FS if u got a good spot there ! msn msn msn !! please !! XD some picture please !! Give me your msn please !!!
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Yeah, it would be great if i can breed them. But as you can see, if you followed the tread, I'm having many failures. With Liana's advice, I will still continue trying out different methods. You can take up the challenge too, as far as we know, being able to rear a FULL life cycle(from egg to adulthood) of a FS IN CAPTIVITY has NEVER been done by ANYONE IN THE WORLD. Document it here with pics/clips and you will be famous among all FS enthusiast

I find there are slightly more singapore FS enthusiasts than in Malaysia. Or maybe more singaporean FS enthusiasts serve the web and share their story. Whatever, it is great to know the fighting skills of FS has touch the hearts of so many people. Maybe one day if enough enthusiasts come forward from both countries, we can have Singaporean vs Malaysian FS fight!! haha!

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Here is how someone can hold a FS competition. Haha! (third post on the page)
http://www.sgforums.com.sg/forums/1769/topics/314325?page=9

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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 20 2008, 09:21 PM)
Some other giant spider i found. only got 5 legs


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My spiders fighting- Longclaw won

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHe1cSULYvs
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Damn. That's a huge Big Spider Star i think. From the graph paper(2mm per square?), its body length looks like 15mm which is rather huge for a jumping spider. My female Bavia is also about 15mm in body length (Post #368,page19). The largest jumping spider in Australia belongs to the Mopsus mormon(Green Jumping Spider) which some sites claim the female reaching 18mm in body length. http://www.geocities.com/brisbane_spiders/...pingSpiders.htm
(Mangrovejumper, looks like same family as the transparent spider we find here)

In the US, this site http://www.uky.edu/Ag/CritterFiles/casefil...ing/jumping.htm
says 'The Bold Jumping Spider, Phidippus audax, (below right) also called the "Daring Jumping Spider" and the "Bold Jumper," is one of the largest jumping spiders found in Kentucky (1/2"). "
Half inch is also about 15mm.

I did a google on "Largest jumping spider" and saw this site http://creatures.ifas.ufl.edu/misc/regal_jumping_spider.htm
which claims adult female Phidippus regius from the States can reach up to 22mm. Now this is THE LARGEST.
I wonder how they fight.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 20 2008, 11:26 PM)
Ass, your FS Longarm quite big. rclxms.gif
Good catch.  rclxms.gif

Today i went to Tasik Perdana, caught 3 average size male FS.. only one FS can fight and its a fierce CHOP shocking.gif
Name it as ThunderHawk . 

At night i let the FS fight ... i think bad decisions.. lotsa upset tonight.

ThunderHawk vs Darkstar (ThunderHawk won.. Fatality. Thunderhawk came back at the end and finish off Darkstar)

Trojan vs Vanguard (Vanguard won.. Trojan ran away with 1 arm broken cry.gif )

Check the FS fight videos in my youtube videos.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dellxps888

k.. gtg damn sleepy .. down with bad flu but still play FS at nite.. bad decision.. doh.gif

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Heh. Fight spider until sick? Better take care of yourself.

Power fights. I commented in Youtube.
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Damn. That's a huge Big Spider Star i think.

http://www.geocities.com/brisbane_spiders/...pingSpiders.htm
(Mangrovejumper, looks like same family as the transparent spider we find here)

In the US, this site http://www.uky.edu/Ag/CritterFiles/casefil...ing/jumping.htm

I did a google on "Largest jumping spider" and saw this site http://creatures.ifas.ufl.edu/misc/regal_jumping_spider.htm
which claims adult female Phidippus regius from the States can reach up to 22mm. Now this is THE LARGEST.
I wonder how they fight.
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Thanks everyone for the posts.

The Singaporean FS males look big. In the Longclaw vs Thickarm clip, didn't Thickarm look like he has longer claws than Longclaw? It may be a lack of experience factor. Or maybe Thickarm needs to go through Viper's training regimen. icon_idea.gif

There's no follow up on the sgforum spider competition.

The 5 legged spider does look a bit like Big spider star, but I don't think it's the same type. The abdomen is too long to be the same type. Perhaps it's a related sub species. The body type looks like one of the 2 biggest spiders I've caught too (although a different colour). I still regret not getting the pictures of those 2 spiders up to this day.

The Australian "transparent" spider is beautiful. Very similar to ours. Probably a fuiyo food for the golden spider!

Viper's Plexippus paykulli (spider bandar) male does grow quite big. I've never seen one the size of the Bavia though. Very difficult to handle...they jump non stop.

Finally the largest jumping spider link has the picture of Phiddipus regius. It is the spider I took a picture of when I was on vacation in North Carolina last week. Looks like it's a male, slightly bigger than Hantu Kuning or Big spider star, but not the size of the Bavia. Sorry for the blurry picture, my macro sux.

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Yeah, nowdays weather hot later in evening rain. Easy fall sick de..
Not much time to play FS.. work work work... only off 1 day yesterday not working.. SUX.
Yesterday went out wif gf so not really search for FS.. saw few average male FS wondering on top of leaves, so i catch la.. tongue.gif

Only at night free to let my FS fights.

Trojan just converted to chop last week but i think it still try to get used to its new fighting techniques. Not very fierce coz i feed Trojan fruit flies daily. I let Trojan fight Vanguard just for sparring/training only. Didn't expect Vanguard can put up strong fight coz last few times alwys ran after kena chop by Trojan.

Darkstar when i caught last time also not active type..After lost to Vanguard, one of its leg injured and stand up. Darkstar seldom eat, only alternate day it will eat fruit flies. Still can fight with chop but cant last long in fight.. always ran away if opponent stay n fight back.
Yesterday fight vs Thunderhawk in 3rd round, both FS chop at the same time but Thunderhawk managed to chop at Darkstar right side and keep bitting it. Darkstar unable to breakfree from the bites for quite long time.. later after breakfree, i tot the fights end already so i stop recording. Few seconds later Thunderhawk came back from Darkstar behind and jump chop attack again. shakehead.gif
Thunderhawk is smaller than Darkstar but got strong chop and more active.

Ass, you haven't let your Longarm fight? Your other FS Thick Arm and Long Claw can beat Longarm?
Feed ur FS well ...so they can be healthy and strong. Don't overfeed.. later its not fierce. sweat.gif

Some FS abit kecut coz:
just chg skin..
lost in fierce fights recently.
in the process converting/adapting to new fighting skill like CHOp..

Maybe after few days can become good fighter. icon_idea.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 21 2008, 02:28 AM)
Heh. Fight spider until sick? Better take care of yourself.

Power fights. I commented in Youtube.
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I am originally from New York and we had jumping spiders all over the place there. I used to catch them in a big coffee can and watch them fight. I was amazed at how vicious those tiny little things could be. I live in Arizona now and we don't have jumping spiders here. We have black widows and scorpions. I miss the jumping spiders!
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I went to the place where ass recommanded to hunt, so far hunted 5 FS, 3 female ,2male therefore i released the 3 female back and bring back the 2 male. One was larger then the other, but when let them fight the larger one without Engaging run away already ! hahaha seems that the breed there not fierce enough ~ I got a canon ixus but when i take picture of the spider it seems to be very blur ! anyone enlighten me please !!


Added on April 21, 2008, 4:36 pmi want more male FS ! AGGRESSIVE & HUGE ONES !! Does any Singaporen know where can i find FS ? XD

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LOL sorry for confusion, long arm is long claw, and thick arm is thick claw. smile.gif. I shall standardize: thick/long arm. No more claw.Btw In the video, it is the angle that make longarms claw seem shorter. I caught him on a brick fishing for termites. Saw him from quite a distance
and yes, the squares are 2mm squares.
lex,u go to lower seletar ar?
btw this sat got spider competition
more info at:www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315220


Added on April 21, 2008, 4:56 pmbtw how do you train your spider if no one even dares to fight it?

Sry can't log on MSN cox I not using comp.I use Ipod.smile.gif


Added on April 21, 2008, 4:59 pmmy extra FS I release onto my plants.trying to breed them. So far only one actually made a nest there. Maybe I should buy some cheap leafy plants and try.

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ya this morning i went there to catch, caught two male home. Those FS caught there cannot really fight well de... lol !
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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 21 2008, 04:53 PM)
LOL sorry for confusion, long arm is long claw. smile.gif
and yes, the squares are 2mm squares.
lex,u go to lower seletar ar?
btw this sat got spider competition
more info at:www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315220
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Yeah, I was just about to talk about this competition. I pm Elindra which posted the invitation on sgforums and he told be that it is actually from arofanatics. His anwser was:

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21 Apr `08, 9:05AM elindra Reply
Re: Fighting Spiders

Actually the competition is started by some of the guys at arofanatics.com

Not by me tongue.gif

To register for that forum you need to use a local ISP email or if you wanna use a free email like gmail or yahoo, you will need to ask for authorization under the 'TroubleShooting' section from one of the mods.

The thread is http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315220
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I am using yahoo mail so I can't register. However, I can't seem even ask the moderator wheather he can recommend me because there don't seem to be a way where I can communicate at all before registering.

I am sure many of us NOT from Singapore are also interested to know the about the competition and especially the outcome of it with clips of course!! So, Ass and Lex123, you're our only hope, if possible, to maybe let us of wat's happening there. rclxms.gif
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so adrian you coming to SG for the spidey competition ?
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go upper seletar and find, there one more fierce.
I feel like going spider comp cos no more tuition , but got Chinese oral exam. end earlier

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ass, on your msn leh ! talk forum very slow ! haha
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aww sad !! btw today the two guys i caught ah.. dont really fight, they only flare at each other then run away liao haha !
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If you are interested in the comp I can help u convey ur message . I got account there.


Added on April 21, 2008, 5:26 pmhey lex u joining comp?

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Oh man this is funny. smile.gif Chatting on forum.

But i think i can't go cuz a bit too abrupt that i know of this competition. Not only need to take annual leave for 2 days but also need to find another day at least to catch some FS mah. Right now I have weak team. Now only Viper's fearsome team dare go for competition. If i stay in Singapore, 100% i'll be there.

You go and let us know la. Introduce us to the organizers too throught the net. Then in time, I will sure go down for next round, if there is one.


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QUOTE(GT4671 @ Apr 21 2008, 10:34 AM)
I am originally from New York and we had jumping spiders all over the place there.  I used to catch them in a big coffee can and watch them fight.  I was amazed at how vicious those tiny little things could be.  I live in Arizona now and we don't have jumping spiders here.  We have black widows and scorpions.  I miss the jumping spiders!
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Yo man! At last you post here after giving so many comments on the clips on youtube! Welcome here man!

Those are Phidippus species i suppose since they are commonly found in US.

Black widows... the deadliest of spiders? It would be freaky scary to try to handle them.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 21 2008, 05:26 PM)
Oh man this is funny. smile.gif Chatting on forum.

But i think i can't go cuz a bit too abrupt that i know of this competition. Not only need to take annual leave for 2 days but also need to find another day at least to catch some FS mah. Right now I have weak team. Now only Viper's fearsome team dare go for competition. If i stay in Singapore, 100% i'll be there.

You go and let us know la. Introduce us to the organizers too throught the net. Then in time, I will sure go down for next round, if there is one.
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Alright adrian! i'll get to know them when i meet them up ! cause i really need place to catch some FS ! hahah !


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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 21 2008, 05:24 PM)
If you are interested in the comp I can help u convey ur message . I got account there.


Added on April 21, 2008, 5:26 pmhey lex u joining comp?
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i might join them for spider hunt for friday but my class ends at 6pm T_T, my spider standard very lousy cant join..

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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 21 2008, 05:24 PM)
If you are interested in the comp I can help u convey ur message . I got account there.


Added on April 21, 2008, 5:26 pmhey lex u joining comp?
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I dont mind if you can help me register into the website. Then i can keep myself updated. Thanks man!
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So you're not joining this time comp ?
Btw your problem is that you need a non free email to register right?
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I dont mind if you can help me register into the website. Then i can keep myself updated. Thanks man!
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i tried to register but, there always "You need to select a Moderator/Administration who recommended you."
why not we share account ? check your inbox for my ID and PW.
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Alright adrian! i'll get to know them when i meet them up ! cause i really need place to catch some FS ! hahah !


Added on April 21, 2008, 5:32 pm
i might join them for spider hunt for friday but my class ends at 6pm T_T, my spider standard very lousy cant join..
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Wa, they all pro at catching spider...they catch the fierce " black pow" also known as a chop on this forum.


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i tried to register but, there always "You need to select a Moderator/Administration who recommended you."
why not we share account ? check your inbox for my ID and PW.
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Dunneed, just anyhow select the mod who recommend u. They will approve anyway.


Added on April 21, 2008, 5:50 pmhey are u tututrain on that forum? LOL

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haha thats why these spider we have, when fighting either would run away or become the food for them ! haha

my account in there cannot private message people .. not enough post T_T

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Hi Mindstorm.

I've registered at that forum using Timenet free email accounts and can login. You can create one free account also at www.time.net.my.
That forum got post you female FS fight from youtube. They don't have much pics or videos, so don't know much about their FS strength.


I've post msg at their latest FS competition II topic.

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315220
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Hi.

I'm from KL, Malaysia. Currently also playing FS. Man.. you guys at SG going to have FS competition this sat? I'm also interested to join leh.. but haf to go all the way there? Whats the price? $$:) My hometown is at JB and i've been to SG few times dunno where is ST96. Near which MRT station?

If KL got this competition, damn heng ah. Recently i had FS team fights with my forum friend, Mindstorm 5v5 FS. After that no other ppl got FS so i let my own FS fight among themselves.

Currently i have some FS tat quite good in fights.

HOPE
XINAN
CROSSFIRE
HADES
SCORPIO
THUNDERHAWK

My friend Mindstorm also have few FS that are good fighters too.

Check out some of my own FS fights and also with my friend, Mindstorm FS.
Do join Mindstorm FS forum at lowyat and give some comments and share SG FS experience and fights pics/videos.

Forums:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/608348/+0

Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/dellxps888
http://www.youtube.com/user/adrianlwkeat

Good to know there are others also interested with fighting spider.

Those interested with FS, can add me in msn.

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I got 2 teams ready to fight... icon_idea.gif
I'm off Sat-Sun... You working?

Here's the red spider i mentioned earlier.. this spider also can fight abit..not agressive type.. just arm pushing only. I seldom c this type of spider nowdays.. saw it wondering at my house garden so i took its pic. Its abdomen red and white stripes.. head is light green. tongue.gif Last time use to catch it near sugarcane tree.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 21 2008, 05:11 PM)
Yeah, I was just about to talk about this competition. I pm Elindra which posted the invitation on sgforums and he told be that it is actually from arofanatics. His anwser was:

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Re: Fighting Spiders

Actually the competition is started by some of the guys at arofanatics.com

Not by me tongue.gif

To register for that forum you need to use a local ISP email or if you wanna use a free email like gmail or yahoo, you will need to ask for authorization under the 'TroubleShooting' section from one of the mods.

The thread is http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315220
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I am using yahoo mail so I can't register. However, I can't seem even ask the moderator wheather he can recommend me because there don't seem to be a way where I can communicate at all before registering.

I am sure many of us NOT from Singapore are also interested to know the about the competition and especially the outcome of it with clips of course!! So, Ass and Lex123, you're our only hope, if possible, to maybe let us of wat's happening there.  rclxms.gif
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Yo man! At last you post here after giving so many comments on the clips on youtube! Welcome here man!

Those are Phidippus species i suppose since they are commonly found in US.

Black widows... the deadliest of spiders? It would be freaky scary to try to handle them.


Yo! Yeah, I finally made my way here to post. We definitely have the Phidippus species in both New York and Texas. They are every bit as eager to fight as the ones you have. The ones I caught were always in the cracks on the outside of my house. I rarely saw them on leaves or trees. They were always nesting on the outside of the house. As for Black Widows, I don't touch them. My spider catching days are over with, but seeing the jumping spiders that you and your friends have brought back a lot of good memories for me.

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Just when through arofanatics site(thanks to Lex to let me share his login)...holy shit. The number of respondens there to fighting spider treads is uncountable man. Their treads are more active because more chat-like and sometimes divert abit...but still interesting to read.
Singapore is really the capital of FIGHTING SPIDERS! So there is where most of the fanatics are!

They have not one but several treads. Here are some of their earlier treads

Spider Fighting Competition.
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314613

Fighting Spiders - Record time!!! Incredible wrestling!!!
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314588

Spider Club 1st AGM!!
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=313796

Fighting spiders thread 2
http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312799

Can't seem to find their first tread.

Since Singaporean chinese there mainly speak hokkien hence the hokkien FS names. Some new names i learned...

Suk Pao n Gop Pao...those that chiong all the way
Ang(Red) Pao n Orr(Black) Pao are fiercier
Others
"kim pow", "lum pow", "qi pow" (dunno wat they do)

Bonafido is the man there.

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haha, not really capital la.. these guys there wanted to bring back those spider catching memories so they organise that event. If you catch fs alone, nobody to fight with, sure bored right ?? so need to find kaki .. HEHE !
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Ya.. seems SG ppl more interested with FS..lo.
Alot of people post comment and reply there.

Some of my FS fights video today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjLRrpe-_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W21yTL_UogA

Any1 can comment why Thunderhawk fight like a normal FS already? That day fight like chop and defeated Darkstar.
Could it be chop vs chop will neutralize/disable their chop skill?



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kim pao is golden one I think...

I was reading this forum then went to arofanatics to ask where to catch spider then suddenly got spider craze ever since then.

I dun think my spiders are aggressive enough, never seen a chop from my spider. going off to hunt for more now...
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Here's other species of spiders.

Black and white stripes. Spider Pandan



Spider Besi.
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Here's other species of spiders i've found wondering outside near my house garden.

Black and white stripes. Spider Pandan

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Spider Besi.

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Added on April 22, 2008, 5:18 pmTry let it fight with other FS in its nest or fight with FS/other species tat have chop attack skill.

You FS might learn the chop techniques or converted to chop in few days/weeks.
Some are fast learner.. some takes longer time.

My FS like Scorpio/Hades fought with my other FS which have chop attack skill but till now still fight like a normal FS. Only launch fierce chops during middle of the fights.

Trojan converted to chops faster, less than 2 weeks but its not a fierce chop also.

Only Hope, Crossfire and Xinan are good fighters that have been converted to fierce chop.

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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 22 2008, 04:28 PM)
I was reading this forum then went to arofanatics to ask where to catch spider then suddenly got spider craze ever since then.

I dun think my spiders are aggressive enough, never seen a chop from my spider. going off to hunt for more now...
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I caught another male that can defeat thickarm but not longarm... Normal fighter, no chop.
Btw I got see spider besi and spider pandan, but they fierce. One jump and the other spider dead. U sure normal FS can handle? Anyway my FS see other type spider always run, not even interested to eat it even after I weaken it. Bite then let go.

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that place so many spider meh ? xD
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that place so many spider meh ? xD
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No lah, 1 hr I only find 1 male and 1 female
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see any fallen leaves that is deliberatly cutted ? i made a mess there yesterday haha !

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0096vs3.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0097cx4.jpg
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Ya, thats the place. But I went to upper seletar.
U really should join them on Friday cos forest spider bigger and more fierce.

Today my hunting spot kena raid by monkeys. Lol
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they meeting at friday at 1pm, i cannot i got lessons still 5pm sad la ! but nvm on saturday can see fierce ones fighting is a great joy for me im much content already ! XD it doesnt really means you must have the best fighting spider to have fun, seeing those exciting fightings would really bring back memories...
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i got no memory of fighting spider. Pri sch only play normal jumping spider
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i got no memory of fighting spider. Pri sch only play normal jumping spider
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lol... xD hope fighting spider would become a trend now..
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Its only for those ppl who really interested with FS.

Last time i don't have $ to buy expensive pets or toys.. so FS is the best option for me coz its free and
its food like mosquitoes, fruit flies, ants also free ma.. no need buy ..lol

Its a good pet also..

It will jump from finger to another finger,
Walk on long stretch of strings

No breeder or shop selling.. if got sure good icon_idea.gif.

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QUOTE(Lex123 @ Apr 22 2008, 08:49 PM)
lol... xD hope fighting spider would become a trend now..
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 22 2008, 02:08 AM)
Here's other species of spiders i've found wondering outside near my house garden.

Black and white stripes. Spider Pandan

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Spider pandan looks like another type of house spider. Hasarius adansoni.. I've never fought them, so I don't know if they can fight. They're typically smaller than the Plexippus sp. house spiders.

Plexippus sp. (in Asia) shouldn't be confused with Phiddipus sp. (North America) though. I just realised it as I'm typing that the two names are very similar.

The other spider listed earlier is a Siler semiglaucus. Nice colours to look at, but useless except as food.
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Japan spider fights.

http://www.cyberoz.net/city/sekine/spfight.htm

There got so many people play spider and has become a tradition.. icon_idea.gif

This is out of the topic..
Cock fightings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y4S7_QRCw8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpdByK8FWdk&feature=related

Man...... tied blade on their legs.. die if kena kick. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Apr 23 2008, 04:29 PM)
Spider pandan looks like another type of house spider. [I've never fought them, so I don't know if they can fight. They're typically smaller than the Plexippus sp. house spiders.

Plexippus sp. (in Asia) shouldn't be confused with Phiddipus sp. (North America) though. I just realised it as I'm typing that the two names are very similar.

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Heh, the link you gave for spider pandan and from Viper's pics... looks like Spider Besi is the female of Spider Pandan!

I message one guy nicknamed johnnecron on youtube who commented on this clip on Phidippus princeps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7ecCx8296M

His reply was...
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Re: Phidippus audax Apr 21, 2008
oh yes many times
the males fight differently than the females
the females are more likely to kill each other while the males will always end the fight when one runs out of the ring

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Have you fought your spiders before? (by me)
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Looks like Phidippus a is pretty fierce fighter.

The picture you took seems to look like this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqKPGDBe0xg
But you said yours was Phidippus regius. So many this guy made a mistake saying it is audax?

Phidippus audax is suppose to be this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H4_fg5KYwE

Another Phidippus species

Phidippus adumbratus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjSEBC6XkfA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XDigkv7PP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsskK_1jr5E

Dan, you should give some life to these potential fierce fighters man. These clips here are a tab "plain". Show us their true colours. Hint hint smile.gif

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QUOTE(Lex123 @ Apr 22 2008, 08:49 PM)
lol... xD hope fighting spider would become a trend now..
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 23 2008, 11:39 PM)
Japan spider fights.

http://www.cyberoz.net/city/sekine/spfight.htm

There got so many people play spider and has become a tradition.. icon_idea.gif

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Yeah. Who knows. With many kakis, we also can hold one major FS competition every year!

Yearly, like in japan, for a spider competition is best as it allows FS in the wild a chance to breed and grow. It would also be grander and more exciting. The anticipation and preparation would be good too. Even if it is in Singapore, people would be willing to travel from far for the event cause only once a year mah.

Any more frequent would easily deplete the population and no one would have any FS to catch. Also it won't be so grand.


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 22 2008, 03:09 PM)
Ya.. seems SG ppl more interested with FS..lo.
Alot of people post comment and reply there.

Some of my FS fights video today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjLRrpe-_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W21yTL_UogA

Any1 can comment why Thunderhawk fight like a normal FS already? That day fight like chop and defeated Darkstar.
Could it be chop vs chop will neutralize/disable their chop skill?
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Originally still not true chop lor.
I don't think chop vs chop can "neutralize" their skill la. Not acid and alkali man. If acid and acid, also become acid mah. hehe. Anyway, I got fight a lot of chop vs chop before and they never revert back also.
Eg
jack vs redleaf
joe vs redleaf
jack vs joe(joe lost one arm but still chop)
jack vs bro1(after becoming chop)
jack vs smallchop(also lost one arm, but still chop)
destroyer vs smallchop
etc

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QUOTE(Lex123 @ Apr 21 2008, 03:16 PM)
I went to the place where ass recommanded to hunt, so far hunted 5 FS, 3 female ,2male therefore i released the 3 female back and bring back the 2 male. One was larger then the other, but when let them fight the larger one without Engaging run away already ! hahaha seems that the breed there not fierce enough ~ I got a canon ixus but when i take picture of the spider it seems to be very blur ! anyone enlighten me please !!


Added on April 21, 2008, 4:36 pmi want more male FS ! AGGRESSIVE & HUGE ONES !! Does any Singaporen know where can i find FS ? XD
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Which model of canon ixus are you having? All the pics which i showed in this forum i also took with canon ixus. My model is 7.5. It has macro function. Unless ur model has this function, you won't be able to take too close up.
Whatever the limit is, to take as close up as possible, you must have 2 criterias. Good lighting(even to the point ur FS is 5 cm away from a florescent lamp(i use a table light)) and non-shaking hands. What i do is i will rest my camera on something stable like the wall or floor as i focus(auto) to take the shot. Then it will be clearer.
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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Apr 23 2008, 10:12 AM)

Originally still not true chop lor.
I don't think chop vs chop can "neutralize" their skill la. Not acid and alkali man. If acid and acid, also become acid mah. hehe. Anyway, I got fight a lot of chop vs chop before and they never revert back also.

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You're right, it's Phiddipus audax. I haven't seen them here where I live, so I'm not sure if I can find 2 of the same kind. I'll keep looking. It's surprising to me that the interest here is high. One of the clips shows someone keeping it as a pet in a huge glass container. Kinda make your austere blue plastic in small vials a bit sad looking. LOL.

We haven't seen chops revert back to normal, but the fact that it happened twice to Viper means that it can be repeated. It's very strange. It's similar to how a FS suddenly becomes chop. There's documentation now that one can lose it too. It gives the infectious disease argument even stronger...maybe a FS can heal from it, even though most don't. If I'm to guess, I would say that Thunderhawk now approaches a female normally too.
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I think chop spiders got behavioural problem or maybe eyesight not good so just chop at anything. So far I haven't seen 1 yet.
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Earlier was Kaizer, now Thunderhawk.
SpitFire also earlier very fierce in fights, chops alot during fight but later suddenly become normal fs fight with arm pushing only.. rclxub.gif

I also noticed some changes on my FS, Vanguard. After it defeated Trojan earlier, now it become scared/kecut easily in fights. I feel Vanguard might converted to chops later.
Thunderhawk defeated Darkstar earlier, now still can win against Vanguard and other normal FS easily using arm pushing only. I also feel Thunderhawk will be chop also.
I feel Fs will shopw symptoms like don't want to eat, don't want to win fight /scared easily later the FS become very hungry and start to chop attack kill for food instead of fighting anymore.

Ass: Ya.. i also feel Chop FS have some eye sight problem especially at night.. i see Nexus, Trojan, Darkstar, quite blind at night and i feel they just depend on their spider danger sense to fight and defend. Hope, Xinan and Crossfire seems ok if there are good lightning at night.

Actually i prefer normal FS tat fights with fighting dance 1st, arm pushing, grab lock, push and chops in fights instead of CHOP FS tat jump chop/bite and keep on grabbing tight continuous bite till its opponent injured or die. sweat.gif

My preferred FS fights are like Archilles vs Bighead and Archilles vs Spartan where both FS fought hard and no serious injury/ death in fight . rclxms.gif

I think chop FS have weakness in fights also. If their chop attack miss and lost balance/position, they are unable to defend properly if its enemy quick to attack back with bites on its legs/arms.
Some chop FS also quite fast run out of stamina after few times chop attack and retreat fast if their attacks failed and opponent counter attack back fiercely. Maybe some bigger and strong CHOP FS can fight longer.

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Apr 24 2008, 03:54 AM)
We haven't seen chops revert back to normal, but the fact that it happened twice to Viper means that it can be repeated.  It's very strange.  It's similar to how a FS suddenly becomes chop.  There's documentation now that one can lose it too.  It gives the infectious disease argument even stronger...maybe a FS can heal from it, even though most don't.  If I'm to guess, I would say that Thunderhawk now approaches a female normally too.
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ya I also prefer the normal way of FS fight. Chop is like abit "cheat"but is rlly exciting.
btw not eating and running away from other spider sounds like moulting symptoms
for example I see on discovery channel snakes will fast before they moult. They will also hide and avoid others and the outer layer will interfere with their eyesight.
maybe the chop FS trying to eat other FS to replenish energy after moulting, like a tonic.

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Tonight fight kinda rush.. coz i let the FS fight late at night about 10.40pm. doh.gif

Scorpio vs Thunderhawk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dq18bodXMU

Scorpio didn't see Thunderhawk earlier walk direct to the side and kena chop at left arm! ! sweat.gif
Scorpio left arm injured but still fought back fiercely! thumbup.gif Thunderhawk won in the end.

If Scorpio saw Thunderhawd and ready to fight, most likely it will win. Even left arm injured, Scorpio still try to fight and didn't ran away.
Strong fighter indeed.

I think maybe after take out FS from its case, its abit wild and try to run away/hide so din really see any danger ahead.
Its better to let the FS calm abit by letting it walk on on the platform awhile or walk on the hand few times before let it start fighting.
Ya.. oso let the FS see its opponent 1st few times from far abit before let them fight. Tis way the FS will prepare and get ready to fight better.

Yeah.. fight in daytime. Night maybe FS oso wants to rest/sleep.

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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 24 2008, 10:31 PM)
maybe the chop FS trying to eat other FS to replenish energy after moulting, like a tonic.
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I don't think that is the case. Most of the time, by the time a male is chop, it would have been many many weeks after moulting.


Added on April 25, 2008, 12:27 am
QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 24 2008, 09:32 PM)

Ass: Ya.. i also feel Chop FS have some eye sight problem especially at night.. i see Nexus, Trojan, Darkstar, quite blind at night and i feel they just depend on their spider danger sense to fight and defend. Hope, Xinan and Crossfire seems ok if there are good lightning at night.

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At first i wanted to disagree with the eye sight theory. But then after thinking a while, hmm...maybe can be true huh?
Maybe chops have cataracts! But that would also means they are poorer hunters since jumping spiders depend mainly on their keen sense of sight to catch their food. But the eye sight theory also coincide with aging as most chops are matured males. I have yet to see a newly moulted(after a week) white legged chop. What is certain is that while poor eye sight maybe a cause to be chop but it is not 100% because a lot of my spiders which turned old and developed poor eyesight like Bighead, Kelapasawit, Bigguns etc never turned chop.

hehe, one more theory to chops

Btw Kelapasawit, Redleaf, Destroyer RIP


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Here are some of the batches of eggs(without female) which failed to hatch

These dried up
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These are bighead's eggs taken out of its nest. 22 of them. All dried up after 2 weeks.
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These had black fungus growing on top of the nest and also inside
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Here is an account of Viper's female's eggs
Only ONE manage to hatch! All a long i kept the female with the eggs until it ran away on its own.
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Viper, I think you caught it 24th March.
When you gave me already got eggs. How many days after you caught it did it laid eggs?
I first notice this lonesome fella on the 19th April.
For a few days it was inside the nest unable to get out. The female already left the nest.
I didn't want to assist it because i wanted to see wheather it could get out on its own
By 22th April it managed to get out... i saw a hole at the side of the nest and it was outside.
Today it is quite ok, i placed springtails in the container which i think it ate cuz its tummy became fat.
This one survivor could disprove that light and plastic hinders hatching of the eggs.

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Here is a surprise.
Bavia eggs. Easily a hundred of them.


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Today, Ioimm vs Nightstalker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l28DMNX5ZyI
Both turned chop.

Justine vs Ioimm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_WwlI7sG8
Justine once a kecut is now a fairly good fighter although not chop

Longman vs Justine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgzmLNoNsQg
Longman is chop. And it has the size too.
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Caught the large female FS at 25/3/08. I think it lay eggs about 1 week later. Couldn't find my sms copy in my pda hp, delete liao. You can try chk in ur hp coz u got reply me tat the eggs is from other male fs.

I feel the eggs need female FS to warm it up.. like chicken etcs.. tongue.gif
I saw female FS alwys in their nest with eggs few times bfr when i search for FS.


Here's the date i caught some of my FS just for keep track.

House Garden FS - Jan 13
Banana Leaf FS - Jan 13
Banglo - Jan 21
Lily - Jan 21
Red Leaf - Jan 22
Sugar Cane FS - Feb 5
Archilles - Feb 10
Romeo - Feb 10
Spartan - Feb 15
Pandan - Feb 15
Trinity - Feb 15
Pandan2 - Feb 17
X (Xonan) - Feb 20
Lily2 (Crossfire) - Feb 26
X2 (Xinan) - Feb 28
Hope - Mac 2
Lily3 - Mac 4
Nexus - Mac 6
Kaizer - Mac 11
Kaizen - Mac 11
Scorpio - Mac 13
SpitFire - Mac 15
ShortArm - Mac 15
FS1 - FS4 - Mac 27
Trojan - Mac 29
Hades - Mac 31
Vanguard - Apr 15
Darkstar - Apr 15
Thunderhawk - Apr 20


Wooah.. i caught quite alot of FS 32.. laugh.gif i think so far got about 40+/- including those FS for sparring...not included in above list. icon_idea.gif

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crap, I accidently break arm of my 2nd best FS .. sad.gif plus he know how to chop
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i missed a kelapa FS last weekend
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nevermind, i will track down this FS this weekend
later we can have a fight.

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Wa... normally FS breakarm coz kena bite during fight.

Better be extra careful when handle FS.. they quite wild, ran fast and sometimes jump alot.

Last time i oso got one FS chop abit small size.. i open it jump and ran under my bed... i try search.. gone ady..
There are one FS also ran so fast up my hand and all the way into my shirt arm pit area.. I have to take off my shirt slowly and manage to catch back the FS without injured it. tongue.gif

Hope your FS especially LongArm can win this sat.

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crap, I accidently break arm of my 2nd best FS .. sad.gif plus he know how to chop
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That spider run then one leg got stuck in web so dislocated. He was better than thickarm but cant defeat longarm. Thickarm fighting style like no tactic one, also easily scared of FS slightly bigger than him. Longarm I dunno, only see him push abit then the other spideer scared of him. I will release onearm so that he can continue the geneline of thickarm type of FS.(he caught at same bush as thickarm, maybe brothers).
Btw u aren't going to the comp?
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Wa..normal healthy FS won't easily get its leg stuck in web and broke off. The FS can bite the web off easily. Unless if the FS is injured badly in fights, it might have difficulty to breakfree when stuck in web. My FS CrossFire injured after fight Hope. 2 of its leg stand up and very weak after fight. After i put back in its own case, later i open a see, one of its leg already broke.. maybe stuck in web.

I think its better put an injured FS on a flat surface without web to avoid its leg or arm get stuck. Also alwys clean of the FS web inside the FS case.

Nope.. i 'm not goin. Saw it the Aro forum, not many people confirm have FS yet. Some just start to search fs 2day n tomolo morning.

Hope u can see some large FS and exciting FS fights 2molo. Haf fun

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QUOTE(ass @ Apr 25 2008, 09:32 PM)
That spider run then one leg got stuck in web so dislocated. He was better than thickarm  but cant defeat longarm. Thickarm fighting style like no tactic one, also easily scared of FS slightly bigger than him. Longarm I dunno, only see him push abit then the other spideer scared of him. I will release onearm so that he can continue the geneline of thickarm type of FS.(he caught at same bush as thickarm, maybe brothers).
Btw u aren't going to the comp?
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Apr 25 2008, 08:45 AM)
Caught the large female FS at 25/3/08. I think it lay eggs about 1 week later. Couldn't find my sms copy in my pda hp, delete liao. You can try chk in ur hp coz u got reply me tat the eggs is from other male fs.

I feel the eggs need female FS to warm it up.. like chicken etcs.. tongue.gif
I saw female FS alwys in their nest with eggs few times bfr when i search for FS.
Here's the date i caught some of my FS just for keep track.

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if wat u say is correct then incubation would take about 20 days.

yeah, maybe...... need warmth....hmm....

here is lonesome
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compare with quietman's lost sling..
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lonesome looks like female, quietman's junior male...haha!




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sad la, my spider nver fight properly today.
go see the competition thread 2 and 3.
too bad nvr see any chops there, I wanted to see some.
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Wa.. i see quite alot of FS there for today competition.
There must be some good fights to see. Nvm la.. u can spend some time to train ur FS. Next time can become a better fighter.
Got pics and videos for SG FS competition? I'm eager to see leh.. tongue.gif

Since i didn't go SG 2day.. i went Tasik Perdana to hunt for new FS. Caught 9 FS!
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4 quite small size FS
4 average size FS
1 big size FS icon_idea.gif

Reach home around 2 pm after take lunch outside. Later straight go play FS. laugh.gif
Let the new FS drink some water 1st. My FS not much training nowdays.. since got new FS.. can let them fight.

I test the new FS fight among themselves. Only the big FS very well and 2-3 average size FS can fight abit. The others all cant fight well.. some kecut oso. doh.gif
The big FS - Sigma is bigger than my other FS except Hades. Sigma is slightly smaller than Hades.

Want to see today 26 Apr 2008 my FS fights? Go check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dellxps888

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sad la, my spider nver fight properly today.
go see the competition thread 2 and 3.
too bad nvr see any chops there, I wanted to see some.
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My longarm like suddenly sick, dragging legs liddat sad.gif and very hungry, haven stop eating yet


Added on April 26, 2008, 8:51 pmbtw I saw a spider like Bavia shape but got red butt and red pedipalps(male organ thing at mouth) about 12 plus mm. Wtf was that? Is that the ghost spider?? Looked very fierce


Added on April 26, 2008, 9:33 pmlongarm the leg like weak, become jelly. Cannot hang upside down from leaf and sometimes the joint like cannot bend. But i tried to fight him with thick arm
1st time: he stand there open arm, thick arm push abit then run
2nd time: longarm suddenly chop at him
3rd time: chop again, but lose balance so longarm run.

Not fighting him until his next moult , hopefully by then cured liao

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