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post Dec 23 2007, 11:03 PM, updated 4 years ago


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Anyone here with a close family member struggling with cancer?

Are you guys doing okay? Do you feel like talking to anyone? A support group maybe?
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post Dec 23 2007, 11:15 PM


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QUOTE(Underhill @ Dec 23 2007, 11:03 PM)
Anyone here with a close family member struggling with cancer?

Are you guys doing okay? Do you feel like talking to anyone? A support group maybe?
My friend's relative is struggling with cancer now.

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post Dec 28 2007, 12:03 PM


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Last time my uncle n auntie suffering from cancer.Pity them.now they pass away alr.
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post Dec 28 2007, 02:11 PM


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cancer benign or metastatic. benign ask them go remove it and stop sobbing la
if metastatic then ask them enjoy life and do what ever you wish u had done before your time expires. no use sobbing

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post Dec 28 2007, 02:27 PM


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Every 4 person in the world there will be one person getting cancer.

25% of the world population is most likely to get cancer but how many % is of 25% is going to die from it.

There are no sure fire way to cure cancer. Most therapies that kills cancer is just as harmful the healthy cells.

Even after sort of 'curing' cancer, they are bound by extremely strict diet and exercise constraint.
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post Dec 28 2007, 04:50 PM


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thats cause cancer cells are immortal cells. they multiply with no restrictions and just keep growing. thats y there is no cure to cancer only a way to kill it.
if youre able to cure cancer might as well induce cancer to your body and then cure it to live as an immortal.

since cancer cells are normal cells what ever kills the cancer cells does the same to the normal cells.

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post Dec 28 2007, 06:54 PM


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I wonder how others coping with their relative struggling with cancer especially someone close like their father or mother lying in bed suffering. How much does your life change? Are you able to bear it? How did you take the news? How are you coping with the possibility of losing your love one? Financially, how do you manage it? Does your life is all back and forth to hospital and work?

Do you talk to someone? Ain't easy finding someone who understand unless they are in the same shoes, isn't it? Is there any support group? If your struggle is over, do you think you are the same person as you were before? If not, how?

Please share if you're one.

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post Dec 28 2007, 08:42 PM


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actually happened to my good friend once. his mom got breast cancer and is inoperable. so she went back home and died there.
my friend never cried but laughed. he tought his mom was just playing around. now 14 yrs later he still cant forget the fact that his mom died of cancer but he was glad that she died peacefully
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post Dec 29 2007, 12:36 AM


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well! i got a colleague who had colon cancer, he had part of his colon cut out, now shorten dunno by how many cm. But good thing is he's ok already, just have to avoid certain food only. And best part is insurance paid him his claims and i heard he's also getting abt 10K per year frm the insurance. Not so sad for him.
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post Dec 29 2007, 12:56 AM


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My aunt had breast cancer and died after five years suffering from it.

It was an interval of getting well and getting sick again and again.

First she was terminal stage => got well => occasionally come back pretty mild => terminal stage => died

I think she suffers the more compared to my other aunt and 2 friends who had leukemia and lung cancer from smoking.


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post Dec 29 2007, 09:50 AM


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my grandfather had cancer. now pass away d. I notice nowadays,a lot of people with vagina cancer. dono isit vagina(somewhere there)
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QUOTE(selenium @ Dec 28 2007, 03:11 PM)
cancer benign or metastatic. benign ask them go remove it and stop sobbing la
if metastatic then ask them enjoy life and do what ever you wish u had done before your time expires. no use sobbing
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wah, you say till very easy 1?? but the time we face it ourself we will lose control of what we think we should do
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post Feb 8 2008, 01:31 PM


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2 years ago my dad was havin some bad gastric pain in the stomach
when the problems become worst after a month he decided to go to the hospital
when they scan they could see its a tumor
when they operate and actually see it , was already to late
it has mature to stage4
when the signs show ur pretty much at stage 3/4 :\ chances are slim
pancreatic cancer btw its the same as pavarotti that died recent

i think high percentage of people around us being hit by cancer is bcoz of our unhealthy lifestyle
diet/exercise and fast foods together along with toxins that we consume

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Feb 8 2008, 01:31 PM)
2 years ago my dad was havin some bad gastric pain in the stomach
when the problems become worst after a month he decided to go to the hospital
when they scan they could see its a tumor
when they operate and actually see it , was already to late
it has mature to stage4
when the signs show ur pretty much at stage 3/4 :\ chances are slim
pancreatic cancer btw its the same as pavarotti that died recent

i think high percentage of people around us being hit by cancer is bcoz of our unhealthy lifestyle
diet/exercise and fast foods together along with toxins that we consume
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To sad to hear that... My father is died of cancer too.... Nose cancer from stage 2, then spread to brain, bone, lung ,liver in 4 years. Haih.....hate of cancer cry.gif
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post Feb 8 2008, 02:40 PM


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yea once it spread the fate is pretty much known whats gonna happen sad.gif
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post Feb 8 2008, 03:53 PM


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My aunt got cancer when she was 40. She's the one who take care of me since young. Cancer killer of life.
Too many chemicals in this life i guess
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cancer patients they have to suffer a lot...
for the rest of us, take a good care of ourself,
as for those cancer patients, be strong and never give up...bless u...
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I have a relative with prostate cncer that's completely metastasized, he sought a lot of dubious treatments for the past year finally going for chemo last month. He's around 55.


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Anyone here with a close family member struggling with cancer?

Are you guys doing okay? Do you feel like talking to anyone? A support group maybe?
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Is sex allowed in such groups?

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post Feb 9 2008, 12:13 AM


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QUOTE(Polaris @ Feb 8 2008, 05:41 PM)
Is sex allowed in such groups?
Is there any problem of having sex with a cancer patient?
I never heard that it is not allowed.
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post Feb 9 2008, 10:53 PM


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I had just finished my PMR when my mom was diagnosed with colon cancer. I was pretty naive back then and once she came back from operation, I thought that everything would be back to normal.

In the span of 2 years, her condition got worse. She had to move around with a urine bag connected to her body. Not long after that, the pain was too unbearable that she had to be put under morphine all the time.

It was definitely heart-wrenching to see her in semi-conscious state. Sometimes she could not even recognise me. It was at that particular moment that I wished for her to pass away ASAP to release her of all the pain.

I was finally granted that wish on my 2nd day of SPM. Until today, I still can't imagine how it felt to put myself in my mom's shoe.

Anyway, just live life to the fullest as if everyday is your last day. I have been thanking God silently every time I woke up in the morning for giving me another day to look forward to.
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post Feb 9 2008, 11:08 PM


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QUOTE(talexeh @ Feb 9 2008, 10:53 PM)
I had just finished my PMR when my mom was diagnosed with colon cancer. I was pretty naive back then and once she came back from operation, I thought that everything would be back to normal.

In the span of 2 years, her condition got worse. She had to move around with a urine bag connected to her body. Not long after that, the pain was too unbearable that she had to be put under morphine all the time.

It was definitely heart-wrenching to see her in semi-conscious state. Sometimes she could not even recognise me. It was at that particular moment that I wished for her to pass away ASAP to release her of all the pain.

I was finally granted that wish on my 2nd day of SPM. Until today, I still can't imagine how it felt to put myself in my mom's shoe.

Anyway, just live life to the fullest as if everyday is your last day. I have been thanking God silently every time I woke up in the morning for giving me another day to look forward to.
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Sad to hear that. My granny is ill now. I understand your situation.
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post Feb 10 2008, 12:35 AM


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QUOTE(talexeh @ Feb 9 2008, 10:53 PM)
I had just finished my PMR when my mom was diagnosed with colon cancer. I was pretty naive back then and once she came back from operation, I thought that everything would be back to normal.

In the span of 2 years, her condition got worse. She had to move around with a urine bag connected to her body. Not long after that, the pain was too unbearable that she had to be put under morphine all the time.

It was definitely heart-wrenching to see her in semi-conscious state. Sometimes she could not even recognise me. It was at that particular moment that I wished for her to pass away ASAP to release her of all the pain.

I was finally granted that wish on my 2nd day of SPM. Until today, I still can't imagine how it felt to put myself in my mom's shoe.

Anyway, just live life to the fullest as if everyday is your last day. I have been thanking God silently every time I woke up in the morning for giving me another day to look forward to.
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my dad didnt lasted 2 years
just 6months when the cancer was notice
till the last 3months he needed morphine all the time
being all drowsy and weak thru out the day
he past away holding my hands on his bed during the last moments of his life breathing for air till it slow down to nothing
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post Feb 10 2008, 01:08 AM


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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Feb 10 2008, 12:35 AM)
my dad didnt lasted 2 years
just 6months when the cancer was notice
till the last 3months he needed morphine all the time
being all drowsy and weak thru out the day
he past away holding my hands on his bed during the last moments of his life breathing for air till it slow down to nothing
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Condolence to you. Seriously, how long they lasted from the day the cancer was detected played no importance at all if they succumbed to the internal invasion at the end of the day.

Anyway, they moved on and our life goes on. Looking back, I guess most of the diseases today are in fact something that was started by human themselves. Human exterminating their own species, pretty ironic eh?
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post Feb 10 2008, 09:49 AM


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I just hope, really really hope that we will find the cure for cancer one day. it is just simply unbearable to see tons and tons of relatives, and very vlose friends perish fighting this deadly desease.

Statistics showed that one in four people get cancer.

my late grandmother died of womb cancer.
Countless people i know have died of cancer too. some as young as the age of 30+
Some get cured but it relapses.


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QUOTE(malowie @ Feb 10 2008, 09:49 AM)
I just hope, really really hope that we will find the cure for cancer one day. it is just simply unbearable to see tons and tons of relatives, and very vlose friends perish fighting this deadly desease.

Statistics showed that one in four people get cancer.

my late grandmother died of womb cancer.
Countless people i know have died of cancer too. some as young as the age of 30+
Some get cured but it relapses.
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Cancer can be cured.
However, once there is cancer cells in our body, the cancer cells will produce again.
If you are lucky, cancer cells won't replicate and harm your body.

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QUOTE(Underhill @ Dec 28 2007, 06:54 PM)
I wonder how others coping with their relative struggling with cancer especially someone close like their father or mother lying in bed suffering. How much does your life change? Are you able to bear it? How did you take the news? How are you coping with the possibility of losing your love one? Financially, how do you manage it?  Does your life is all  back and forth to hospital and work?

Do you talk to someone? Ain't easy finding someone who understand unless they are in the same shoes, isn't it? Is there any support group? If your struggle is over, do you think you are the same person as you were before? If not, how?

Please share if you're one.
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personally, the closest relative that has cancer in my family is my aunt..
she has colon cancer and has part of her colon removed..
she's a firm believer in positive thinking and tries to eat mainly organic food..
she's quite well off, so she can afford all the organic stuff and she even has gone for treatment overseas..

about the support group questions..
i've yet to discover a support here in malaysia..
but us cousins have tried our best to support our aunt's children n grandchildren..
basically we just educate ourselves about colon cancer and i personally read up on what the things support groups in the states and other parts of the world do..
basically, we try to be there for our aunt and her kids/grandkids..

QUOTE(sancakAhNgau @ Dec 29 2007, 12:36 AM)
well! i got a colleague who had colon cancer, he had part of his colon cut out, now shorten dunno by how many cm. But good thing is he's ok already, just have to avoid certain food only. And best part is insurance paid him his claims and i heard he's also getting abt 10K per year frm the insurance. Not so sad for him.
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is that the equation now..? quality of life = rm10k a year?
correct me if i'm wrong, but if part of his colon is removed, then he should not be able to eat certain food right?
and do you seriously think that it's ok to lose a part of your internal organ just because your body can survive if that organ is removed?
i think your friend still has to undergo a lot of treatment, medication etc..
i just think that since he has insurance, then good for him.. at least the money can cover his medication needs etc.
but to say that it's "not so sad for him" is another thing altogether, imo.

QUOTE(jcvstlys @ Dec 29 2007, 09:50 AM)
my grandfather had cancer. now pass away d. I notice nowadays,a lot of people with vagina cancer. dono isit vagina(somewhere there)
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i think you're talking about cancer of the cervix..
or cervical cancer.. a cancer on the female reproductive system..
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QUOTE(felicious @ Feb 10 2008, 09:40 PM)
Cancer can be cured.
However, once there is cancer cells in our body, the cancer cells will produce again.
If you are lucky, cancer cells won't replicate and harm your body.
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cancer can be cured depending on the type of the cancer itself..
cancers like leukimia and hodgkin's disease can be cured..
breast cancer can also be cured if discovered early..

but of course, there is always the risk of the cancer recurring..
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2 years ago my uncle died of lung cancer stage 4. he got it when he feel a little back ache. then went check up and comfirm its stage 4 cancer. done 8 times of chemo therapy and recover after 5 months. doctor say he can eat anything he wants like a normal human. Asam laksa , char kuay tiao , water melon juice and stuff.. 3 weeks after recover , cancer comes again. 2nd relaps. in 2 short weeks ... coma for 1 day and died
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QUOTE(felicious @ Feb 10 2008, 09:40 PM)
Cancer can be cured.
However, once there is cancer cells in our body, the cancer cells will produce again.
If you are lucky, cancer cells won't replicate and harm your body.
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yes cancer can be cured.. but in a very complicated way...

most cancer patients have to suffer before they actually get cured..

chemotheraphy kills not only the cancer cells but the good body cells as well, thus making you weak.

what i meant is that i cant wait for the invention of a medicine that kills only cancer cells.
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QUOTE(talexeh @ Feb 9 2008, 10:53 PM)
I had just finished my PMR when my mom was diagnosed with colon cancer. I was pretty naive back then and once she came back from operation, I thought that everything would be back to normal.

In the span of 2 years, her condition got worse. She had to move around with a urine bag connected to her body. Not long after that, the pain was too unbearable that she had to be put under morphine all the time.

It was definitely heart-wrenching to see her in semi-conscious state. Sometimes she could not even recognise me. It was at that particular moment that I wished for her to pass away ASAP to release her of all the pain.

I was finally granted that wish on my 2nd day of SPM. Until today, I still can't imagine how it felt to put myself in my mom's shoe.

Anyway, just live life to the fullest as if everyday is your last day. I have been thanking God silently every time I woke up in the morning for giving me another day to look forward to.
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I understand how u felt that time. My father had the same situation too...semi-concious state when the cancer cell spread to his brain. My father had to take steroid to keep concious. You know, the feeling of looking at my father when he coundn't recognise me, hardly talk. He just responded to us with his eyes everytime we spoke with him. The tears coming down from his eye, i know he got a lot of things to say on the last day of him.........
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I was passing by this big MLM conference in JW Marriott last week and saw a lot of members clad in black suits in the alleyway outside the hotel SMOKING!

What a bunch of hypocrites, selling antioxidant wonder pills while smoking like chimneys.
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QUOTE(Polaris @ Feb 8 2008, 05:41 PM)
I have a relative with prostate cncer that's completely metastasized, he sought a lot of dubious treatments for the past year finally going for chemo last month. He's around 55.


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Hi! I'm a newbie here. I have a not so dubious solution to cancer. It's a theory from this website:

http://fusionexcel.com/BarronReport.pdf

It's on the 4th page, just scroll down to cancer section. After reading it, tell me your comments..
I believe that this theory can work. In fact, I can actually bring you to see an ex-throat cancer patient who had recovered.

Happy reading!


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QUOTE(malowie @ Feb 10 2008, 09:49 AM)
I just hope, really really hope that we will find the cure for cancer one day. it is just simply unbearable to see tons and tons of relatives, and very vlose friends perish fighting this deadly desease.

Statistics showed that one in four people get cancer.

my late grandmother died of womb cancer.
Countless people i know have died of cancer too. some as young as the age of 30+
Some get cured but it relapses.
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Hi! I'm a newbie here. I have a not so dubious solution to cancer. It's a theory from this website:

http://fusionexcel.com/BarronReport.pdf

It's on the 4th page, just scroll down to cancer section. After reading it, tell me your comments..
I believe that this theory can work. In fact, I can actually bring you to see an ex-throat cancer patient who had recovered.

Anyway, it won't hurt to read it....the Barron Report, I mean...

Happy reading!

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QUOTE(felicious @ Feb 9 2008, 12:13 AM)
Is there any problem of having sex with a cancer patient?
I never heard that it is not allowed.
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of course there is no problem but it will make the cancer patient more lethargic and tiredla...
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my friend just got leukemia, however this is the first time I overcome this situation where I need my to do my part as a friend..so need suggestion, should I be with him?, comforting him?

I don't mind though..what the hardest part is, this guy won't meet anyone include his family/relative except his parent, he's just wanna be alone right now

the only thing that I did is made a new thread for him as a support, in playstation thread

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you re right, you should accompany him.. i feel sorry for your fren..
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my aunt n uncle both died of cancer in the last 4 years ago.. auntie breast cancer, uncle liver... pity them, hopefully it doesnt runs in the family
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sorry bout that
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QUOTE(danny_ptlm @ Jan 6 2009, 12:32 AM)
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yea, so far no problem. and because of that, my grandpa passed away, he doesnt have cancer but because he miss my uncle n auntie too much d.
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many of my relatives died from cancer ...

my grandpa , all my uncles ( 4 in total) died from cancer ...

its not addicent but just time matters .. all of them are heavy drinker and heavy smoker .. and ate all those wild animals - waterfish, musang, bear meat, bat meats , monkey meats, armadillo meats ... which i believes that these kind of exotic animal food strongly contribute to cancer also ...

as for me i dont feel sad cuz half of them died before i was born ...
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Hi! I'm a newbie here. I have a not so dubious solution to cancer. It's a theory from this website:

http://fusionexcel.com/BarronReport.pdf

It's on the 4th page, just scroll down to cancer section. After reading it, tell me your comments..
I believe that this theory can work. In fact, I  can actually bring you to see an ex-throat cancer patient who had recovered.

Happy reading!
And how did this ex-throat cancer patient harness this scalar energy to cure his cancer. Wearing a pendent or eating scalar charged food?

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I wonder how others coping with their relative struggling with cancer especially someone close like their father or mother lying in bed suffering. How much does your life change? Are you able to bear it? How did you take the news? How are you coping with the possibility of losing your love one? Financially, how do you manage it?  Does your life is all  back and forth to hospital and work?

Do you talk to someone? Ain't easy finding someone who understand unless they are in the same shoes, isn't it? Is there any support group? If your struggle is over, do you think you are the same person as you were before? If not, how?

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My bro passed away 2 years ago.. He was 18 and I was 17 when he was diagnosed with brain cancer, 3rd stage. He did not even made it for his 21st birthday...

The pain of losing a sibling is so intense that words are so hard to describe. I remember I was numb when my mom woke me up at 3am, choking from tears, tellin me that my bro was gone. I didn't cry, I drove to the hospital, my mind was blank. When I got there, the sight of his lifeless body on his bed made me released the tears that I had been holding back. When the nurses wrapped him up with white blanket, then I knew that I lost him for good. I broke down and cried my heart out.

Yes, my life revolved around hospitals and college. I flunk 2 subjects and had to attend counseling sessions. I did not discuss my bro's matter with my friends because yes, they wouldn't have understood what and how I felt so there was no need to elaborate. I remember that my parents would bring my brother to cancerlink, Its like a support group for these patients. He also attended a qigong class, most of the members in the class was cancer patients. I seriously thinks that qigong did help with his life because the bloody doctor told my family that my brother wouldn't last for 3 months and yet, he lived for 2 years.

Q) If your struggle is over, do you think you are the same person as you were before? If not, how?
I am certainly not the same person as I was before because now I learn how to care for others as I need to be strong because my parents are still very sad..They would cry when we talk about my bro and everytime when my dad saw cancer patients on tv or reality, he would turn his face away because he's afraid that he'll break down. I know that I have a big responsibility now that I'm the only child my parents have so I do my very best to not make them worry bout me..

This is all I can type as I'm not a very good "typer".. If anyone is facing the same issue like me and u feel like u nid someone to talk to, feel free to drop me a message. I will try my best to help.

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Cancer can be cured.
However, once there is cancer cells in our body, the cancer cells will produce again.
If you are lucky, cancer cells won't replicate and harm your body.
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There isn't any lucky and unlucky in this kind of situation, it is the habits of human that bring cancer.
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There isn't any lucky and unlucky in this kind of situation, it is the habits of human that bring cancer.
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Not really, my mom always go to yoga, aerobic and exercise. She even take care of her foods.

And? She kena cancer.

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Not really, my mom always go to yoga, aerobic and exercise. She even take care of her foods.

And? She kena cancer.

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awww.. how is she now? sad.gif
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Not really, my mom always go to yoga, aerobic and exercise. She even take care of her foods.

And? She kena cancer.

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actually the cancer cells had been in the body for a period of time (around 10-20years). They need time to be expanded and mature. Before that, anti-oxidant would stop it for expanding.
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My mom now quite ok already. Have to do a lot of regular scans. My whole facing financial problem because of it. Insurance almost dry as well.

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My mom now quite ok already. Have to do a lot of regular scans. My whole facing financial problem because of it. Insurance almost dry as well.

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Good to hear that she is fine now. Scans are costy but if she doesn't have to take medication or therapies, it'll save your family a bundle. If your family is facing financial problem, u cld try askin help through newspaper.

Most important, tell her not to eat sugar and too much "bou ban" (like bird nest, dong guai, etc). These things encourage cancer cells to grow and expands, especially sugar. Preferably eat organic stuffs.

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yeah, agree with puppyee, do not consume high sugary food. Anti-oxidants (co-Q10, A,C,E) may help your mum too.
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Good to hear that she is fine now. Scans are costy but if she doesn't have to take medication or therapies, it'll save your family a bundle. If your family is facing financial problem, u cld try askin help through newspaper.

Most important, tell her not to eat sugar and too much "bou ban" (like bird nest, dong guai, etc). These things encourage cancer cells to grow and expands, especially sugar. Preferably eat organic stuffs.
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She's been taking organic stuffs since then. Kinda pity though.

My mom had went through chemotherapy a lot of times. Haiz.

Indeed the scans are expensive.


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yeah, agree with puppyee, do not consume high sugary food. Anti-oxidants (co-Q10, A,C,E) may help your mum too.
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My mom taking all those stuffs you mention too. She only take organic foods.


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Cancer can happen anytime. Ladies please take note, if there is a history of breast cancer in your family, be extra cautious. Should there be any lumps, immediately go for a check up. My neighbour passed away because of this. She thought the lump was nothing and just left it alone and finally, it's too late for her.
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Cancer can happen anytime. Ladies please take note, if there is a history of breast cancer in your family, be extra cautious. Should there be any lumps, immediately go for a check up. My neighbour passed away because of this. She thought the lump was nothing and just left it alone and finally, it's too late for her.
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Earlier medical check up as first step or precaution.


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She's been taking organic stuffs since then. Kinda pity though.

My mom had went through chemotherapy a lot of times. Haiz. 

Indeed the scans are expensive.


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My mom taking all those stuffs you mention too. She only take organic foods.
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Yalo, organic food really .... uhrm..not tat nice to eat =/

Advisable try to avoid chemotherapy ba... it kills cancer cells but also kills ppl v fast because of radiation
Try qigong..don do strenuous exercise.. smile.gif

Those freakin scans, not only expensive but they hurt alot as well lorh..
I tried once n i was shoutin + cryin at the same time unsure.gif
Pity them who have to take those scans regularly.. my bro's hand were full of holes cry.gif

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Yalo, organic food really .... uhrm..not tat nice to eat =/

Advisable try to avoid chemotherapy ba... it kills cancer cells but also kills ppl v fast because of radiation
Try qigong..don do strenuous exercise..  smile.gif

Those freakin scans, not only expensive but they hurt alot as well lorh..
I tried once n i was shoutin + cryin at the same time  unsure.gif
Pity them who have to take those scans regularly.. my bro's hand were full of holes  cry.gif
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Chemotherapy is the only way for my mom current stage, no choice.

My mom have a slow walk every morning as part of exercise.

The scans, really painful. Especially they can't find the right vein and keep on poking.

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Cancer can be cure if it's detected in early stage. How to detect it? Frequent body check? lab test? IT's still missed out very easily.

For those rich and affordable people, PET Scan is a safe imaging technology that has very high sensitivity and specificity to detect existence of almost all type of cancers at any stage and localize it. Hmm i wonder if it's available in malaysia or not now, i knw there is in SG. But it's expensive...

Sigh..

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Cancer can be cure if it's detected in early stage. How to detect it? Frequent body check? lab test? IT's still missed out very easily.

For those rich and affordable people, PET Scan is a safe imaging technology that has very high sensitivity and specificity to detect cancer at any stage. Hmm i wonder if it's available in malaysia or not now, i knw there is in SG. But it's expensive...

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I thought cancer can't be cure but only can prevent it from spreading or expanding?


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I thought cancer can't be cure but only can prevent it from spreading or expanding?
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If it's in early stage, it is operable (can be cut and take out from body) then, can follow by chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Cancer can be cured.
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If it's in early stage, it is operable (can be cut and take out from body) then, can follow by chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Cancer can be cured.
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I don't really get it, you mean cut the organs out? Brb, do some research first.

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I don't really get it, you mean cut the organs out? Brb, do some research first.

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mean operate la.. Wide excision the malignant tissue.
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yeah, agree with puppyee, do not consume high sugary food. Anti-oxidants (co-Q10, A,C,E) may help your mum too.
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Forgot to mention, sugary food especially white rice, white noodle, white bread. Replace them with whole grain sources.

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Forgot to mention, sugary food especially white rice, white noodle, white bread. Replace them with whole grain sources.
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She only take whole grain bread and organic brown rice.

I see the organic foods, I also rclxub.gif .
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organic food ... tak sedap =x
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organic food ... tak sedap =x
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organic food so expensive.. and not easily available too.
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Cancer has been known to have the tendency to occur within close family members signifying the presence of genetic component risk factor.

My own grandfather and my second uncle died of cancer. My uncle, a general medical practitioner, died of colorectal carcinoma which has metastasized to his liver four years ago.

It is likely that I too will get some from of cancer in the future (damn genes)..... grumble.gif

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Yeah, breast cancer is one of the most high rate killing cancer in the world.

Earlier medical check up as first step or precaution.
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Breast cancer is indeed a dangerous thing to have, finding it early WILL save your life. Just a few days ago I have had the chance to attend a surgical procedure during my clinical rotations.

The patient was an old lady of 72 years of age. She came to the outpatient department due to some cough problem when the doctor who examined her detected a hard mass within her right breast during auscultation. The right nipple appear retracted and deviated (picture below). There is even another hard lump detected in her armpit.

So, the doctor in outpatient department immediately refer her to the surgeon for further evaluation and finally decided to perform simple mastectomy with axillary clearance (the entire right breast was removed along with all the lymph nodes in her armpit).

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Females, be advised to always be concerned with the presence of any lump in your breasts. Immediately seek medical advice if they are present. Detection of breast cancer and its removal in its early stage WILL save your life.

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organic food so expensive.. and not easily available too.
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Not easy available? At my place, a lot of organic goods shop. Keep on opening everywhere.

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Cancer has been known to have the tendency to occur within close family members signifying the presence of genetic component risk factor.

My own grandfather and my second uncle died of cancer. My uncle, a general medical practitioner, died of colorectal carcinoma which has metastasized to his liver four years ago.

It is likely that I too will get some from of cancer in the future (damn genes).....  grumble.gif
Actually, all human is born with cancer gene (people with strong family history with cancer will have more ganas cancer gene). However, luckily we have a good gene call tumor suppressor genes (p53) to counter it. So an imbalence in Cancer gene Vs tumor suppresor genes will lead to development of cancer. Healthy lifestyle help maintain the the tumor suppresor gene.

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Not easy available? At my place, a lot of organic goods shop. Keep on opening everywhere.

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If in big town, then it's a Yes. If stay far from town, then very difficult to reach the organic food la.. Eh, btw organic food define as fruit or vege that is fertilized w/o usage of any insecticide and processed w/o added chemical?

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I heard canser is a genetic problem.
My uncle died of canser.
I does attack very fast if it was not detected early.

Now I take dragon fruit every other day. They said it can cleanse the body from canser cells.
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Cancer can be cure if it's detected in early stage. How to detect it? Frequent body check? lab test? IT's still missed out very easily.

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I thought cancer can't be cure but only can prevent it from spreading or expanding?
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Cancer can't be cured (yes it cannot be cured) and can only be prevent from spreading. Even if u cut out the cancerous tumour at early stage, It'll encourage the cells to spread faster (a doctor once told me). Cancer at early stage is quite safe is safely measures are taken like controlling ur diet and stuff. Yalo, they say cancer is a genetic problem.. my grandpa died of cancer, so did my grandma and my aunt has breast cancer rclxub.gif

A little info if there're someone who doesn't know this.. cancer on any part of the body can spread (eg: bone cancer, breast cancer, can spread to leg, blood ad stuff) .. only brain cancer will remain in brain n will not spread. But the catch is, brain cancer is dangerous because the tumours will block the veins in the brain and resulting in blurry of vision, speech, kenot walk straightly, vomitting, and even can paralyze the limbs.

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Cancer can't be cured (yes it cannot be cured) and can only be prevent from spreading. Even if u cut out the cancerous tumour at early stage, It'll encourage the cells to spread faster (a doctor once told me). Cancer at early stage is quite safe is safely measures are taken like controlling ur diet and stuff. Yalo, they say cancer is a genetic problem.. my grandpa died of cancer, so did my grandma and my aunt has breast cancer  rclxub.gif

A little info if there're someone who doesn't know this.. cancer on any part of the body can spread (eg: bone cancer, breast cancer, can spread to leg, blood ad stuff) .. only brain cancer will remain in brain n will not spread. But the catch is, brain cancer is dangerous because the tumours will block the veins in the brain and resulting in blurry of vision, speech, kenot walk straightly, vomitting, and even can paralyze the limbs.
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The statement "cancer cannot be cured at any stage" mean direct give a death sentence to patient and is very unmotivating. Many records have shown human has win the war against cancer and live well after that. Well, my grandmother was diagnosed colorectal cancer at her age of 40+, she undergo operation (probably she was diagnose in very early stage those can be operated), she live well until age of 7x, having an usual people life style except she was diabetic. She pass away due to stroke, but not cancer.

Breast cancer is one of the most common cancer, and many people has benefit from the early detection.
Blood cancer for example leukemia also can be cured, haha i think many people ever watching those asian drama, where the hero or heroine was tortured by the leukemia, the only solution is bone marrow transplantation. Although organ transplantation hold high chance of failure, and many complication, however there is still hope for cancer to be cured.

Well, patient with history of cancer has great chance for the cancer to relapse, may be the due to it's spread somewhere else (again because it is in advance stage) and genetically he/she is cancer prone. So they need to be monitor closely by the medical professional.

Stage of solid cancer is depend on the size, the lymph node involment, and spreading. Early stage cancer mean it didn't spread yet and quite relatively small size. The aggressiveness and tendency to spread is depend on the cancer type. Lung cancer (small cell cancer) and skin cancer like melanoma is very very aggressive, often it's diagnosed at very late stage.. So, the patient also didn't have so much alternative left in the list of treatment.. compare to those cancer patient that diagnosed at early stage when spreading is not happen yet.

Brain cancer spread too, however, no matter it is histopathologically classified as benigh or malignant, it's considered as "ganas" as it's a mass that occupy spaces within the brain, and compress the brain... imaging, a very small bleeding inside brain can already make people paralyse and complain this and that, while tumor is a mass within the brain. IF operate mean u might have risk to loose some of the brain function, depend on the extend and location of the bad cell the surgeon excise.
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Cancer can't be cured (yes it cannot be cured) and can only be prevent from spreading. Even if u cut out the cancerous tumour at early stage, It'll encourage the cells to spread faster (a doctor once told me). Cancer at early stage is quite safe is safely measures are taken like controlling ur diet and stuff. Yalo, they say cancer is a genetic problem.. my grandpa died of cancer, so did my grandma and my aunt has breast cancer  rclxub.gif

A little info if there're someone who doesn't know this.. cancer on any part of the body can spread (eg: bone cancer, breast cancer, can spread to leg, blood ad stuff) .. only brain cancer will remain in brain n will not spread. But the catch is, brain cancer is dangerous because the tumours will block the veins in the brain and resulting in blurry of vision, speech, kenot walk straightly, vomitting, and even can paralyze the limbs.
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This is exactly what I heard and know so far, until ivzh said otherwise. What I know is, you can do your best to prevent it but can't be cured.

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The statement "cancer cannot be cured at any stage" mean direct give a death sentence to patient and is very unmotivating.

Brain cancer spread too, however, no matter it is histopathologically classified as benigh or malignant, it's considered as "ganas" as it's a mass that occupy spaces within the brain, and compress the brain... imaging, a very small bleeding inside brain can already make people paralyse and complain this and that, while tumor is a mass within the brain. IF operate mean u might have risk to loose some of the brain function, depend on the extend and location of the bad cell the surgeon excise.
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Yes, although it is very unmotivating, we cannot deny it. Yes human have win fights against cancer but that doesn't mean they have eliminated cancer once and for all in their body. If they do not take proper precaution in their diets as well as lifestyle, there will be high chances that the cells will erupt again. I did point out that cancer can be prevented from spreading with proper ways to look after oneself.

That was wat I was implying. Brain cancer will not spread to other parts of the body, it will only spread in within the brain.Duh. No offense or whatsoever but by saying that brain cancer spread too, u're giving some kind of wrong directions to ppl as if saying that they will run through the body as well.

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So the true fact is, cancer can't be cured YET. Am I right? You can only take an early prevention right?
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Maybe not Cured, but treated.
I know ppl who were diagnosed with cancer now is free from cancer.
They can weaken the cancer cells and prevent new cells to spread.
The cells still in the body but not active.
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Yes, although it is very unmotivating, we cannot deny it. Yes human have win fights against cancer but that doesn't mean they have eliminated cancer once and for all in their body. If they do not take proper precaution in their diets as well as lifestyle, there will be high chances that the cells will erupt again. I did point out that cancer can be prevented from spreading with proper ways to look after oneself.
http://www.healthsquare.com/fgwh/wh1ch36.htm
Breast Cancer: Great Odds of a Cure

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That was wat I was implying. Brain cancer will not spread to other parts of the body, it will only spread in within the brain.Duh. No offense or whatsoever but by saying that brain cancer spread too, u're giving some kind of wrong directions to ppl as if saying that they will run through the body as well.
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http://www.springerlink.com/content/u064hr76rrm46867/
brain tumor is spreading outside the brain

The message i want to pass out is that prevention and early detection of cancer is equally important.

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QUOTE(ivzh @ Mar 15 2009, 07:13 PM)
http://www.healthsquare.com/fgwh/wh1ch36.htm
Breast Cancer: Great Odds of a Cure
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u064hr76rrm46867/
brain tumor is spreading outside the brain

The message i want to pass out is that prevention and early detection of cancer is equally important.
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QUOTE(ivzh @ Mar 15 2009, 07:13 PM)
http://www.healthsquare.com/fgwh/wh1ch36.htm
Breast Cancer: Great Odds of a Cure
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u064hr76rrm46867/
brain tumor is spreading outside the brain

The message i want to pass out is that prevention and early detection of cancer is equally important.
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I see, I've read it and I have to say, thanks for the infor. U have my sincere apology. Its glad to know that cancer can be cured nowadays. smile.gif

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one thing I read is antioxidants help prevent cancer

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Should I start taking antioxidants product? I'm kinda worried for myself. I heard that my mom sis also going to face the same problem and doc keep advice her to do some operation.


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suk..my aunt got cancer at her stomach and it's 4th phase....the doctor say must go through 6 kumon therapy startig from next week.....i can't imagine how she look like with all her hair loss...reli like my aunt..y good person have to suffer all this while bad guy can live long by stealing and make good guy suffer!!
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suk..my aunt got cancer at her stomach and it's 4th phase....the doctor say must go through 6 kumon therapy startig from next week.....i can't imagine how she look like with all her hair loss...reli like my aunt..y good person have to suffer all this while bad guy can live long by stealing and make good guy suffer!!
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A lot of ppl feel that way when they discovered their close ones is diagnosed with cancer...

The thing to remember is, don't be negative...Encourage her. U might not believe this but cancer feeds on negative thoughts too (indirectly).. I know its hard to maintain a positive mind but fight the bad thoughts. =)

Btw, i think u meant chemotherapy instead of kumon therapy.

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Should I start taking antioxidants product? I'm kinda worried for myself. I heard that my mom sis also going to face the same problem and doc keep advice her to do some operation.
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Do u consume vitamins and stuff? Its better if u do..drink more vitagens and eat yogurts, they're good for health too =)
I'm takin Vitamin ACE,fish oil,vinegar,yogurts and vitagens everyday myself too.. I had a small tumor in my large intestine but luckily it wasn't cancerous, scared the hell out of me.
Better to be safe than riskin it if cancer are genetically active in ur family..

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4th phase, the last stage. I'm felt sorry for your aunt. Wish her all the best and may GOD bless her.

I didn't consume any vitamins and stuffs. Guess I must start taking some health supplements and more exercises.


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4th stage... all treatment is paliative.. it's quite controverial to manage: either let them go home and enjoy the remaining time with family or undergo the painful chemo regime.
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i didnt read the whole thread but would like to share this with TS and others.....a possible counselling place or a place that can provide you some information. I am staying with a cancer survivor.

http://www.hospismalaysia.org/

Welcome to our website. We are Hospis Malaysia, your PARTNERS IN CARING.

We hope that this virtual visit will give you a clear picture of the services we offer and of palliative care in general. Regardless of what your reasons are for visiting this website - whether it's to know how we can help you or your loved one, or to see how you can support us - we hope that it gives you a feel of what it's like to be a part of Hospis Malaysia.

Established in 1991, Hospis Malaysia has since grown to become the largest hospice in Malaysia in terms of the number of patients it accepts each year. We accept any patient with a life limiting illness, which may be anything from cancer, AIDS, motor neurone disease or multiple sclerosis, but most cases that are referred to us are those with advanced cancer.

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4th stage... all treatment is paliative.. it's quite controverial to manage: either let them go home and enjoy the remaining time with family or undergo the painful chemo regime.
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My mom was in 3rd stage, luckily everything is under control now.

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one thing I read is antioxidants help prevent cancer
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no. antioxidants REDUCE THE CHANCE of getting cancer.

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no. antioxidants REDUCE THE CHANCE of getting cancer.
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my cousin sis died of leukimia few years back... it was very hard on her family... i wasn't that close to her but i did visit her at the hospital...
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my cousin sis died of leukimia few years back... it was very hard on her family... i wasn't that close to her but i did visit her at the hospital...
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For those wondering how they can 'defend' themselves against the threat of several types of cancer, I found this article to be most convincing.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/cance...ate-cancer.html

Be careful of taking too much anti-oxidant SUPPLEMENTS though, sometimes they can increase cancer risk. Our bodies need a balance of free radicals to scavenge harmful cells. Also hypothesized is that anti-oxidants protect cancer cells from being oxidised by radicals.


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Want to share this - if u knw anyone having cancer & taking tons of supplements & other quack food, ask them to tone it down.. eat MOREE natural food rich in anti-oxidants.

http://www.curetoday.com/index.cfm/fuseact...2/article_id/42

The word cancer gives me the shivers & i hope it is banished soon.. hopefully obama's stem cell policy can give some light.



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my mom in-law died of stomach cancer almost 4.5yrs ago. she never eat outside food since she cooked for the family all the years.
it was really tough, thank God for church friends for supports.

currently, 2 parents of 2 friends & a child of 1 friend is suffering cancer.

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my mom in-law died of stomach cancer almost 4.5yrs ago. she never eat outside food since she cooked for the family all the years.
it was really tough, thank God for church friends for supports.

currently, 2 parents of 2 friends & a child of 1 friend is suffering cancer.
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Is the incidence of cancer so high nowadays? This is getting worrisome.
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my mom in-law died of stomach cancer almost 4.5yrs ago. she never eat outside food since she cooked for the family all the years.
it was really tough, thank God for church friends for supports.

currently, 2 parents of 2 friends & a child of 1 friend is suffering cancer.
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I think related to genes. If you're a girl, I suggest you take earlier consistent checkup.




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4th stage... all treatment is paliative.. it's quite controverial to manage: either let them go home and enjoy the remaining time with family or undergo the painful chemo regime.
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hey mate...u serious about this statement? now really scaring me man....her face juz look fine to me....there r ppl recover from 4th stage right?
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hey mate...u serious about this statement? now really scaring me man....her face juz look fine to me....there r ppl recover from 4th stage right?
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In a blunt truth kind of way, he is right. Although his delivery could be better.

And yes, there are ppl who have recovered from 4th stage but it is a 50-50 chance. The hardest thing is the fight to be optimistic that things will get better, especially when having to undergo the chemotherapy. It is even more painful when you're waiting there at the hospital day-by-day.

The cancer ward is probably the most gloomiest hospital ward as a lot of family members will more-or-less "abandon" the families in those wards. The silence of the wards is extremely tangible when they remove a patient who has pass away at night. Those who haven't gone to a cancer ward before, have a care on what you write to people here who are seeking help and a guiding light. Even though the intention to help with good, if you're not going to take the effort to give a few words of kindness and encouragement, I would suggest don't bother typing at all.

Valentineday, my only advice is that you would have to be positive for your mother. You can try drawing her attention away from the cancer by bringing her magazines, books, telling her what's happening in your life, etc. Anything to distract her mind and behaving it's a normal day because they would like normalcy. Touch her - this more than anything else will show that you love her. Hug her often. Occasionally have meals together with her just like it's a normal day. Even if she protested hard, deep down the appreciation is there that you are eating with her together. With stomach cancer, I'm not sure what kind of food that both of you can share together but drinks also helps. Eating alone can be extremely depressing.

My auntie suffered from a cancer in her nose that eventually spread to her spine during the regression period. She was the most optimistic person I've ever had the pleasure to have known and she kept her positive mood up even when she passed away quietly. Even when she lost the use of her teeth, we still fed her foods that she like - we just blended it so that she can swallow it like char kway teow. But this was at a stage where the cancer got so terrible that nothing could fix it. She was a joy and a cheerfulness in the cancer ward. We used to visit her regularly and spend hours with her. Some of my cousins got into bed with her and they just chitchat. We were also lucky to have found someone who knew about bedcare and we could hire her as a parttime nurse to help maintain my auntie's cleanliness.

There should be also some sort of Hospice Volunteer group at the Hospital. They usually provide advice and help to cancer patients and families of cancer patients during this period. Hospice doesn't only mean pallative care. It's also about teaching the families to deal with having a loved one who is having cancer. Speak to the hospital.
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5 year survival rate for stage 4 stomach cancer is about 5%.


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My grand-aunt was diagnosed with cancer (forgot which stage or part) when she was in her 30's. She went through multiple radiation, hair lost, etc. She lived to the ripe old age of 80+ and passed away this few years ago. When she was in her 50's-70's, she still smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day doh.gif talk about ex-cancer patient. Only in her late 70's-80's, she slows down to 1 pack a day doh.gif doh.gif
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In a blunt truth kind of way, he is right. Although his delivery could be better.

And yes, there are ppl who have recovered from 4th stage but it is a 50-50 chance. The hardest thing is the fight to be optimistic that things will get better, especially when having to undergo the chemotherapy. It is even more painful when you're waiting there at the hospital day-by-day.

The cancer ward is probably the most gloomiest hospital ward as a lot of family members will more-or-less "abandon" the families in those wards. The silence of the wards is extremely tangible when they remove a patient who has pass away at night. Those who haven't gone to a cancer ward before, have a care on what you write to people here who are seeking help and a guiding light. Even though the intention to help with good, if you're not going to take the effort to give a few words of kindness and encouragement, I would suggest don't bother typing at all.

Valentineday, my only advice is that you would have to be positive for your mother. You can try drawing her attention away from the cancer by bringing her magazines, books, telling her what's happening in your life, etc. Anything to distract her mind and behaving it's a normal day because they would like normalcy. Touch her - this more than anything else will show that you love her. Hug her often. Occasionally have meals together with her just like it's a normal day. Even if she protested hard, deep down the appreciation is there that you are eating with her together. With stomach cancer, I'm not sure what kind of food that both of you can share together but drinks also helps. Eating alone can be extremely depressing.

My auntie suffered from a cancer in her nose that eventually spread to her spine during the regression period. She was the most optimistic person I've ever had the pleasure to have known and she kept her positive mood up even when she passed away quietly. Even when she lost the use of her teeth, we still fed her foods that she like - we just blended it so that she can swallow it like char kway teow. But this was at a stage where the cancer got so terrible that nothing could fix it. She was a joy and a cheerfulness in the cancer ward. We used to visit her regularly and spend hours with her. Some of my cousins got into bed with her and they just chitchat. We were also lucky to have found someone who knew about bedcare and we could hire her as a parttime nurse to help maintain my auntie's cleanliness.

There should be also some sort of Hospice Volunteer group at the Hospital. They usually provide advice and help to cancer patients and families of cancer patients during this period. Hospice doesn't only mean pallative care. It's also about teaching the families to deal with having a loved one who is having cancer. Speak to the hospital.
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hi Mate...this really help me alot thx...little fixing by the way...is my aunt not my mother.....if is my mother i think the only thing i know is crying now not typing word....so...maximum she only can live up to 5 years and the chances in 50-50....this is very bad...as my parent keep buying those very expensive chinese medicine for her, hoping she will recover....mayb is call karma, like wat Buddhist...wat u did in your previous life eventually u have to pay... but i still feel so unfair...y not those ppl who steal and kill ppl to get 30 bucks get all this disease, good people who humble and decent deed always the one who suffer....damn really have the nerve to join police force so thing will be better...haha..only dare to express feeling in here since no one know me...the keyboard warrior...
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hi Mate...this really help me alot thx...little fixing by the way...is my aunt not my mother.....if is my mother i think the only thing i know is crying now not typing word....so...maximum she only can live up to 5 years and the chances in 50-50....this is very bad...as my parent keep buying those very expensive chinese medicine for her, hoping she will recover....mayb is call karma, like wat Buddhist...wat u did in your previous life eventually u have to pay... but i still feel so unfair...y not those ppl who steal and kill ppl to get 30 bucks get all this disease, good people who humble and decent deed always the one who suffer....damn really have the nerve to join police force so thing will be better...haha..only dare to express feeling in here since no one know me...the keyboard warrior...
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Chinese medicine is not so well regulated here compared to China, Taiwan, Korea and Japan. Singapore is making more advances towards traditional medicine control but in Malaysia, not really.

The problem with Chinese Medicine is that it's not well known what are the side reactions with Western Medicine. In fact, it's an extremely high risk and your parents should really consult the doctor looking after your auntie. Your parents are trying to help in the only way that they know how to. It's normal for relatives to feel like this with loved ones.

Life is unfair only because you view it as unfair. Sometimes, in tough situations, you have to be optimistic or at least, change the way you look at things. Yes, you can feel frustrated but you do not need to let it make you so angry at life. The only constant thing in life is change. Everything around us will change. So we should also change our thinking and viewpoint to suit the change.


Added on March 23, 2009, 11:07 pmA small suggestion : you might want to consider buying "Chicken Soup for the Soul". See if there is one for cancer patients or something. The stories in there are motivational stories and can help perk up your day.

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hey mate...u serious about this statement? now really scaring me man....her face juz look fine to me....there r ppl recover from 4th stage right?
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In a blunt truth kind of way, he is right. Although his delivery could be better.

And yes, there are ppl who have recovered from 4th stage but it is a 50-50 chance. The hardest thing is the fight to be optimistic that things will get better, especially when having to undergo the chemotherapy. It is even more painful when you're waiting there at the hospital day-by-day.

The cancer ward is probably the most gloomiest hospital ward as a lot of family members will more-or-less "abandon" the families in those wards. The silence of the wards is extremely tangible when they remove a patient who has pass away at night. Those who haven't gone to a cancer ward before, have a care on what you write to people here who are seeking help and a guiding light. Even though the intention to help with good, if you're not going to take the effort to give a few words of kindness and encouragement, I would suggest don't bother typing at all.

Valentineday, my only advice is that you would have to be positive for your mother. You can try drawing her attention away from the cancer by bringing her magazines, books, telling her what's happening in your life, etc. Anything to distract her mind and behaving it's a normal day because they would like normalcy. Touch her - this more than anything else will show that you love her. Hug her often. Occasionally have meals together with her just like it's a normal day. Even if she protested hard, deep down the appreciation is there that you are eating with her together. With stomach cancer, I'm not sure what kind of food that both of you can share together but drinks also helps. Eating alone can be extremely depressing.

My auntie suffered from a cancer in her nose that eventually spread to her spine during the regression period. She was the most optimistic person I've ever had the pleasure to have known and she kept her positive mood up even when she passed away quietly. Even when she lost the use of her teeth, we still fed her foods that she like - we just blended it so that she can swallow it like char kway teow. But this was at a stage where the cancer got so terrible that nothing could fix it. She was a joy and a cheerfulness in the cancer ward. We used to visit her regularly and spend hours with her. Some of my cousins got into bed with her and they just chitchat. We were also lucky to have found someone who knew about bedcare and we could hire her as a parttime nurse to help maintain my auntie's cleanliness.

There should be also some sort of Hospice Volunteer group at the Hospital. They usually provide advice and help to cancer patients and families of cancer patients during this period. Hospice doesn't only mean pallative care. It's also about teaching the families to deal with having a loved one who is having cancer. Speak to the hospital.
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Well said.

My wife has 4th stage colon cancer, metastasis to the liver. Surgery done last September (two major surgeries actually, the second one was to re-stich the wound that did not heal). More than a month in hospital, 2 major surgeries, 6 1/2 days in ICU. NO RADIATION, NO CHEMO.

Valentineday - Staging of cancer is just that, nothing more. Do not lose hope just because it is stage 4 - we just have to manage the mets (the spread). I know of many people in Malaysia with 4th stage cancer who are living beyond the timeline the doctors gave.

Other than the surgery (that I now feel was unnecessary), I have managed my wife's cancer TOTALLY through alternative cancer treatments (B17 protocol, Carnivora/DMSO/Lamonica/Lymphatic drainage protocol, Cellfood, Transfer Factor, herbs and a combination of selected vitamins/supplements.)

Barely 3 months after the major surgeries, she returned to work (Jan 15). She still has cancer, but her tumor markers have been showing a steady decline. We take things one day at a time, but we NEVER LOSE HOPE.

Details here: www.randolphworld.com

All the best to cancer sufferers out there. Never give up.

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Chinese medicine is not so well regulated here compared to China, Taiwan, Korea and Japan. Singapore is making more advances towards traditional medicine control but in Malaysia, not really.

The problem with Chinese Medicine is that it's not well known what are the side reactions with Western Medicine. In fact, it's an extremely high risk and your parents should really consult the doctor looking after your auntie. Your parents are trying to help in the only way that they know how to. It's normal for relatives to feel like this with loved ones.

Life is unfair only because you view it as unfair. Sometimes, in tough situations, you have to be optimistic or at least, change the way you look at things. Yes, you can feel frustrated but you do not need to let it make you so angry at life. The only constant thing in life is change. Everything around us will change. So we should also change our thinking and viewpoint to suit the change.


Added on March 23, 2009, 11:07 pmA small suggestion : you might want to consider buying "Chicken Soup for the Soul". See if there is one for cancer patients or something. The stories in there are motivational stories and can help perk up your day.
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according to various source and real life example drink this http://www.eexcel.com.my/pr_pr_perfor.htm and eat some kind of powder produce by porcupine in their brain will help control and strengthen our immune system...eventually after some times everything will be fine....
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goodkarma : Thanks for the compliment and awesome blog btw! I hope that your wife will make a successful recovery and have fun in life! smile.gif

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according to various source and real life example drink this http://www.eexcel.com.my/pr_pr_perfor.htm and eat some kind of powder produce by porcupine in their brain will help control and strengthen our immune system...eventually after some times everything will be fine....
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I have my doubts but only because I can't see the information that may be useful. But I'm a huge skeptic and it takes a lot of various articles from reputable sources to convince me.

You might want to speak to goodkarma. He may give you some insight as it looks like he's a fulltime cancer "researcher". Looks like information researcher. May help give you a different view from me. I'm extremely opinionated.



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goodkarma : Thanks for the compliment and awesome blog btw! I hope that your wife will make a successful recovery and have fun in life! smile.gif

I have my doubts but only because I can't see the information that may be useful. But I'm a huge skeptic and it takes a lot of various articles from reputable sources to convince me.

You might want to speak to goodkarma. He may give you some insight as it looks like he's a fulltime cancer "researcher". Looks like information researcher. May help give you a different view from me. I'm extremely opinionated.
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Myremi, thank you for the kind wishes.

And yes, you are quite right - I have changed "cancer researcher" to "alternative cancer treatment researcher"!

And to cancer sufferers out there - feel free to contact me anytime.

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Is the incidence of cancer so high nowadays? This is getting worrisome.
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cancer and degenerative disease are the "trend" now.. why?

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valentineday : Hmm...I'm not sure but check with goodkharma. I'm hedging a guess here.

After quickly scanning through the websites, I can see why you said it's about Chinese Medicine. It's not quite completely Chinese Medicine but in a way, modern nutrition with some homeopathy philosophy mixed in. Majority of the Unique Ingredients are well recognized in the Western world on the homeopathy front.

And the drink that your parents are giving your aunt seems to contain plant extract known as phytochemicals. I'm going by the link that you posted. Here's some details about phytochemicals but you may want to search for more. I only pick the 1st one that made some sense : http://www.phytochemicals.info/

Just because a Chinese researcher started a company with products that won awards in China and Taiwan doesn't mean that it's about Chinese traditional medicine.

I'm guessing that you're parents are trying to make sure that she has enough of the right nutrients to fight the cancer.
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browsing through goodkarma blog, am quite attracted to DMSO+chemo treatment @@ So the doctor succesfully target the cancer cell and selectively destroy it?
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cancer and degenerative disease are the "trend" now.. why?
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To answer in two words - Lifestyle and Diet.

Make changes to both, and you dramatically increase your chances of avoiding such illnesses.


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browsing through goodkarma blog, am quite attracted to DMSO+chemo treatment @@ So the doctor succesfully target the cancer cell and selectively destroy it?
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The article on DMSO suggests that it would "transport" chemotherapy in a much more efficient way to the targeted cancer cells. This is the theory. Every cancer patient is different, and will react differently to chemo. Take the same chemo cocktail and give it to 3 patients with identical cancers and you may get 3 completely different results. Even the best oncologists agree on this.

Having said this, my personal view is that chemo should be very carefully considered before it is done. The worldwide success rate for chemo is no more than 5%. Yes, a dismal 5% (actually, it is less than this). But I am not going to debate with anyone on this - each person should go and check the statistics themselves, maybe even talk to relatives of cancer patients who had survived no more than 6 months after undergoing chemo/radiation. The facts are out there.

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To answer in two words - Lifestyle and Diet.

Make changes to both, and you dramatically increase your chances of avoiding such illnesses.
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I chuckled a bit at this. We probably have preplex majority of the forum readers out. Which reminds me, need to get that nutrition post up. >.<

Anyway, have you thought of Dr. Luke Lin from Taiwan? What do you think of his approach towards a lifestyle change, especially for cancer patients? A friend lent me a recipe book of his recipes and some of the dishes look interesting. But a lot of boiling and steaming though.

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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 26 2009, 11:06 PM)
I chuckled a bit at this. We probably have preplex majority of the forum readers out. Which reminds me, need to get that nutrition post up. >.<

Anyway, have you thought of Dr. Luke Lin from Taiwan? What do you think of his  approach towards a lifestyle change, especially for cancer patients? A friend lent me a recipe book of his recipes and some of the dishes look interesting. But a lot of boiling and steaming though.
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The Dr Luke Lin I heard of is the VP of Clinical Research & Development, TaiGen, not sure it is the same person you refer to. I haven't seen his recipes. You are more the expert in such dishes! As for this Dr Luke Lin, I am always suspicious when one is associated too long with a drug/pharmaceutical company - where profit is the reason behind most every move.
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Errr....I'm not an expert. I'm still learning >.<.

I googled the Dr Luke Lin you mentioned. It's not him.

The person I'm referring to is Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang. I got to know about him a few years ago when I bought a random book from Popular Bookstore about Fresh, Light, Toxin-Free. It was more on concepts of eating and there were quite a number of testimonials from cancer survivors (although the way they describe the healing crisis is tough).

The Recipe Book was is titled "21 Days : Dr Luke Lin's Guid eto Toxin-free living" although I was informed that this one couldn't be bought in bookstores.

His detox diet is really popular amongst the Chinese community from what I hear from friends. Food is a bit bland because it's mostly steam/boiled but his philosophy of food selection is a mesh of Western and Chinese nutrition philosophy. That's what makes it intriguing.

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I understand i've posted this link twice now, but yet it again for the benefit of those who have not viewed it yet.

Randy Pausch is a lecturer whom suffered from pancreatic cancer. Even having such an advanced stage cancer did not change his outlook on life.
He's famous for his "Last Lecture"

I hope those that who are or have family members who are in similar predicament can draw strength from his tale.


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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 27 2009, 12:21 AM)
Errr....I'm not an expert. I'm still learning >.<.

I googled the Dr Luke Lin you mentioned. It's not him.

The person I'm referring to is Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang. I got to know about him a few years ago when I bought a random book from Popular Bookstore about Fresh, Light, Toxin-Free. It was more on concepts of eating and there were quite a number of testimonials from cancer survivors (although the way they describe the healing crisis is tough).

The Recipe Book was is titled "21 Days : Dr Luke Lin's Guid eto Toxin-free living" although I was informed that this one couldn't be bought in bookstores.

His detox diet is really popular amongst the Chinese community from what I hear from friends. Food is a bit bland because it's mostly steam/boiled but his philosophy of food selection is a mesh of Western and Chinese nutrition philosophy. That's what makes it intriguing.
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Thanks for the info, will try to look for his book. There are of course hundreds of diet plans that claim to cure cancer, and some of them work pretty well, and my general assessment of such diets is that as long as it consists of intake of raw or fresh vegetables and fruits, and less cooked food, it will be good for the body and strengthen the immune system so that it can fight cancer or any other illness better. And by the way, if one were to steam fish that has been farmed in a careless way (where there is use of chemicals - there are even cases of steriods being injected into live fish swimming merrily in the seafood restaurant), then there is absolutely no benefit to the sick person. Or eating so-called healthy vegetables that have been sprayed with chemicals. So it goes beyond the diet, actually.


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I understand i've posted this link twice now, but yet it again for the benefit of those who have not viewed it yet.

Randy Pausch is a lecturer whom suffered from pancreatic cancer. Even having such an advanced stage cancer did not change his outlook on life.
He's famous for his "Last Lecture"

I hope those that who are or  have family members who are in similar predicament can draw strength from his tale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BODHsU3hDo4
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I followed Randy Pausch's illness over the last few years. Yes, it is a most inspiring story and an excellent example of positive thinking. He probably achieved more in the last few years of his life than most people do in their lifetime.

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Thanks for the info, will try to look for his book. There are of course hundreds of diet plans that claim to cure cancer, and some of them work pretty well, and my general assessment of such diets is that as long as it consists of intake of raw or fresh vegetables and fruits, and less cooked food, it will be good for the body and strengthen the immune system so that it can fight cancer or any other illness better. And by the way, if one were to steam fish that has been farmed in a careless way (where there is use of chemicals - there are even cases of steriods being injected into live fish swimming merrily in the seafood restaurant), then there is absolutely no benefit to the sick person. Or eating so-called healthy vegetables that have been sprayed with chemicals. So it goes beyond the diet, actually.
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Agree on the raw / fresh veggie part. I wouldn't quite say less cooked food but more on processed food. Plus, I don't take so much raw veggie because my stomach clenches too much and I don't quite like it unless it's been marinated overnight (speaking of which, vinegar is good for this. I like to use a touch of balsamic vinegar and let the salad sit overnight to let the vinegar react that the sugar comes out of the veggie into the other).

I haven't eaten in a seafood restaurant in a long while and we seldom eat fish from the fish tank. Usually it's the frozen coldstorage ones or they are local fish that are put on ice. Although I suppose if we really want to get really technical about it, then we probably can't eat any fish in the ocean because the pollution is pretty bad. And with the ocean that is as wide as it is, the pollution can carry a long long way. So, I usually just put it down to choice and don't think about it so much. If I don't survive, I don't survive. smile.gif Probably because I'm not afraid of death and that's to do with religion. smile.gif

You're right on the healthy vegetables being covered with chemicals. I remember a general comment made by my German boss about it as we were on the highway (autobahn) and we just saw trucks after trucks on the road. He was saying how European companies have shifted all their goods from storage in warehouses to storage on the roads. In order to keep the food "fresh" in the trucks, the food does contain chemicals. I suppose that if we really want chemical-free vegetables, there's not much choice but to plant vegetables at home. I haven't taken that step yet but my granny has. Her garden is filled with plants to eat, some herbs as well as vegetables that we sometimes cook. It's a hobby for her and she enjoys it. I've been giving standing instructions to buy veggie seeds for her. smile.gif We even have herbs for nasi ulam. I wrote about it awhile back : http://www.mum-mum.info/?p=784#comments . Trying to get back into writing blogs but it's a chore.

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My father died because of cancer. The most saddening part was that I only knew of what his illness was three days before he died. He suffered for two years and kept the identity of his illness secret from his family, including from my mother. The doctor revealed his illness to us when he was already in a coma.
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So sorry to hear of u guys loved one's passing away of cancer. My grandma too passed away cos of cancer cry.gif Anyway,recently i came across a company in M'sia selling a product called biospray plus. It's a liquid that u spray under ur tongue. There's a lady who had 4th stage cancer & the doctor said no hope left & she was going to die. But after a month taking biospray she is now recovered.
Here's a video of her & others who have got well after taking this spray >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvimJXQh6-U Ooh & here's the product>> http://www.bionutric.com/web/productBSP.asp if u guys would like to know more pm me la unsure.gif
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So sorry to hear of u guys loved one's passing away of cancer. My grandma too passed away cos of cancer  cry.gif Anyway,recently i came across a company in M'sia selling a product called biospray plus. It's a liquid that u spray under ur tongue. There's a lady who had 4th stage cancer & the doctor said no hope left & she was going to die. But after a month taking biospray she is now recovered.
Here's a video of her & others who have got well after taking this spray >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvimJXQh6-U            Ooh & here's the product>> http://www.bionutric.com/web/productBSP.asp          if u guys would like to know more pm me la  unsure.gif
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Errr....I'm not an expert. I'm still learning >.<.

I googled the Dr Luke Lin you mentioned. It's not him.

The person I'm referring to is Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang. I got to know about him a few years ago when I bought a random book from Popular Bookstore about Fresh, Light, Toxin-Free. It was more on concepts of eating and there were quite a number of testimonials from cancer survivors (although the way they describe the healing crisis is tough).

The Recipe Book was is titled "21 Days : Dr Luke Lin's Guid eto Toxin-free living" although I was informed that this one couldn't be bought in bookstores.

His detox diet is really popular amongst the Chinese community from what I hear from friends. Food is a bit bland because it's mostly steam/boiled but his philosophy of food selection is a mesh of Western and Chinese nutrition philosophy. That's what makes it intriguing.
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About Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang, is it the one that sued by one cancer patient.

Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_491d668001000atq.html
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About Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang, is it the one that sued by one cancer patient.

Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_491d668001000atq.html
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That's sad. But I can understand the anger and frustration of the cancer patient though.

Dr. Luke Lin's diet is nothing new though. Looking at so many food health sites as well as healthy cooking recipes and reading and checking out weight loss sites, what he recommends is nothing new, to be honest. But when one is promoting healthy living for cancer patients or terminally ill patients, one should expect backlash if things go wrong, like what is happening now.

Dr. Luke Lin advocates taking plant enzymes to help with food digestion. That's probably the only difference from what I see in weight loss sites and recipe books. However, having taken plant enzymes in the past, I must admit that it's not easy to take it all the time because it made my stomach clenched and I stop it. But the healthy eating practices is not that much different from the Western world.

The other thing about having cancer is that the patient would have an underperforming body system i.e. it has become weaker and therefore cannot always eat like we do. It's also the same for detox diets : they may have more adverse side effects than we do.

The other thing about the Detox diet is the Healing Crisis effect i.e. the release of a higher concentration amount of toxins from the body that the body organs cannot clean it fast enough and so the person on the detox diet would feel more uncomfortable. There's a name for this effect in medical terms - will look for it later once lag goes away . I don't quite understand it well but I can imagine that a cancer patient having a difficult time to get over it because their bodies are already weak.

At the time of the post, I haven't read a book by Dr. Ray Strand but after reading his book, I'm becoming more convinced that there is quite a lot of truth about nutritional supplements with healthy eating and regular exercise may help. But whether it's too late for cancer patients, I don't know.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 3 2009, 02:34 PM)
That's sad. But I can understand the anger and frustration of the cancer patient though.

Dr. Luke Lin's diet is nothing new though. Looking at so many food health sites as well as healthy cooking recipes and reading and checking out weight loss sites, what he recommends is nothing new, to be honest. But when one is promoting healthy living for cancer patients or terminally ill patients, one should expect backlash if things go wrong, like what is happening now.

Dr. Luke Lin advocates taking plant enzymes to help with food digestion. That's probably the only difference from what I see in weight loss sites and recipe books. However, having taken plant enzymes in the past, I must admit that it's not easy to take it all the time because it made my stomach clenched and I stop it. But the healthy eating practices is not that much different from the Western world.

The other thing about having cancer is that the patient would have an underperforming body system i.e. it has become weaker and therefore cannot always eat like we do. It's also the same for detox diets : they may have more adverse side effects than we do.

The other thing about the Detox diet is the Healing Crisis effect i.e. the release of a higher concentration amount of toxins from the body that the body organs cannot clean it fast enough and so the person on the detox diet would feel more uncomfortable. There's a name for this effect in medical terms - will look for it later once lag goes away . I don't quite understand it well but I can imagine that a cancer patient having a difficult time to get over it because their bodies are already weak.

At the time of the post, I haven't read a book by Dr. Ray Strand but after reading his book, I'm becoming more convinced that there is quite a lot of truth about nutritional supplements with healthy eating and regular exercise may help. But whether it's too late for cancer patients, I don't know.
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It's good that u read the book. I read it 4 months ago. Always believe that our body is built up by nutrients and not the medicine/drugs. For acute diseases, we must go and look for doctors. But for chronic diseases (cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure etc), healthy lifestyle, balanced diet and appropriate nutritional supplement are the 3 main steps to help.
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The other thing about the Detox diet is the Healing Crisis effect i.e. the release of a higher concentration amount of toxins from the body that the body organs cannot clean it fast enough and so the person on the detox diet would feel more uncomfortable. There's a name for this effect in medical terms - will look for it later once lag goes away . I don't quite understand it well but I can imagine that a cancer patient having a difficult time to get over it because their bodies are already weak.

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Healing crisis/healing reaction also known as Herxheimer Reaction (or Jarisch-Herxheimer or Herx).

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QUOTE(basSist @ Apr 3 2009, 04:08 PM)
It's good that u read the book. I read it 4 months ago. Always believe that our body is built up by nutrients and not the medicine/drugs. For acute diseases, we must go and look for doctors. But for chronic diseases (cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure etc), healthy lifestyle, balanced diet and appropriate nutritional supplement are the 3 main steps to help.
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Hmm...are you saying that chronic diseases, it's not necessarily to see a doctor? Or are you saying that acute diseases, it's not necessary to have a healthy lifestyle, balanced diet and appropriate nutritional supplement? (English is such a confusing language).

I must admit that the book is tough reading and I had to do a lot of flipping between the pages just to refresh my memory a bit. Although the amount of supplements he's recommending is quite a lot, even for basic nutritional level. Just comparing Kordel's and Blackmore's supplements nutritional labels online, I'm guessing easily RM400-RM500 a month. This was just a quick check though.


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Healing crisis/healing reaction also known as Herxheimer Reaction (or Jarisch-Herxheimer or Herx).
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2009, 01:37 AM)
Hmm...are you saying that chronic diseases, it's not necessarily to see a doctor? Or are you saying that acute diseases, it's not necessary to have a healthy lifestyle, balanced diet and appropriate nutritional supplement? (English is such a confusing language).

I must admit that the book is tough reading and I had to do a lot of flipping between the pages just to refresh my memory a bit. Although the amount of supplements he's recommending is quite a lot, even for basic nutritional level. Just comparing Kordel's and Blackmore's supplements nutritional labels online, I'm guessing easily RM400-RM500 a month. This was just a quick check though.
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maybe my english is not that well. it is necessary to see doctors when u having chronic diseases to control and not worsen the situation anymore. but the 3 main steps can help you to get back health from chronic diseases. For acute diseases, the 3 main steps would be the basic, u need additional to help you on emergency. example, when u having injured and the blood flowing non-stop, u can't stop it by the 3 main steps and u need to get a doctor to help you on operation to stop that. maybe can be called as emergency diseases. sweat.gif

if chronic disease can be cured in hospital, the patient doesn't have to consume the medicine for the rest of the life. As long as you having medicine, you are not cured, but controlling. I have a friend that help a kidney problem patient to recover from the 9-month period survive using the machine and medicine. and now the patient don't need to consume any medicine or living by the machine anymore after year of recuperation。
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Ah, that's good to know.

Although we may have to be careful when it comes to sharing with cancer patients who may be coming here to this thread. Recovery can be chancy and it is sometimes stated that Hope can be a stressful emotion.
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Ah, that's good to know.

Although we may have to be careful when it comes to sharing with cancer patients who may be coming here to this thread. Recovery can be chancy and it is sometimes stated that Hope can be a stressful emotion.
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I have 5 relatives diagnosed with cancer, and only two still alive.

My 1st aunt (mother's side) died in about one year after diagnosis of breast cancer. When she die, I was only about one years old.

My 4th aunt (mother's side) diagnosed with uterus cancer after give birth to my cousin more than 10 years ago. Luckily, the cancer was found early. She have her uterus removed immediately, and still alive today.

My grandfather (dad's side) died from lung cancer when I was about 13. He never smoke, none of my family members smoke. Doctor said he can't have operation or any treatment because of old age.

My father died from pancreatic cancer about 3 years ago. In 2004, he was diagnosed with this disease and have large part of pancreas removed. He do chemotherapy. About two years later, the cancer relapse and spread. He died after a few months. Doctor said my dad can life about 2 and half years already considered lucky, as most of the patient with this cancer cannot live more than one year.

My grandmother (mother's side) diagnosed with lymphoma. She is still alive but she never believe that she has this disease. She is stubborn, doesn't believe the doctor. She refuse for treatment.

Nowadays, even babies also get cancer.

However, if you or your family having cancer, don't follow my grandmother. Just follow what the doctor said, do whatever treatment suggested by doctor. Good luck.
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I have 5 relatives diagnosed with cancer, and only two still alive.

My 1st aunt (mother's side) died in about one year after diagnosis of breast cancer. When she die, I was only about one years old.

My 4th aunt (mother's side) diagnosed with uterus cancer after give birth to my cousin more than 10 years ago. Luckily, the cancer was found early. She have her uterus removed immediately, and still alive today.

My grandfather (dad's side) died from lung cancer when I was about 13. He never smoke, none of my family members smoke. Doctor said he can't have operation or any treatment because of old age.

My father died from pancreatic cancer about 3 years ago. In 2004, he was diagnosed with this disease and have large part of pancreas removed. He do chemotherapy. About two years later, the cancer relapse and spread. He died after a few months. Doctor said my dad can life about 2 and half years already considered lucky, as most of the patient with this cancer cannot live more than one year.

My grandmother (mother's side) diagnosed with lymphoma. She is still alive but she never believe that she has this disease. She is stubborn, doesn't believe the doctor. She refuse for treatment.

Nowadays, even babies also get cancer.

However, if you or your family having cancer, don't follow my grandmother. Just follow what the doctor said, do whatever treatment suggested by doctor. Good luck.
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Do not have blind faith in doctors. Dr. Ray Strand said that.  sad.gif
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Of couse, I don't 100 % believe the doctor. But research on the internet prove that what the doctor said is true. And, I have family member studying medical also, he can prove the same.

Some stupid cancer patient does not follow what the doctor said. They refuse to do chemotherapy, radiotherapy, or any operation. Their stupid mind go and believe those medicine maker or dishonest merchant. At the end, their life were destroyed by their stupid mind.

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believe in doctors is part of effort of a cancer patient.much better to follow doc advice rather than do nothing and seek help from unrecognized pawang or bomoh or other laternative practitioner.if u didnt agree with a doctor, u can seek for another doctor for second opinion.
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believe in doctors is part of effort of a cancer patient.much better to follow doc advice rather than do nothing and seek help from unrecognized pawang or bomoh or other laternative practitioner.if u didnt agree with a doctor, u can seek for another doctor for second opinion.
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Yes. This is true. Not every doctors in this world are dishonest. One doctor is bad does not mean all other doctors are bad. We can always seek for different opinions by different doctors.
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QUOTE(200 @ May 5 2009, 08:51 PM)
believe in doctors is part of effort of a cancer patient.much better to follow doc advice rather than do nothing and seek help from unrecognized pawang or bomoh or other laternative practitioner.if u didnt agree with a doctor, u can seek for another doctor for second opinion.
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Yes. This is true. Not every doctors in this world are dishonest. One doctor is bad does not mean all other doctors are bad. We can always seek for different opinions by different doctors.
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think both of u had misunderstood what Dr. Ray Strand "Blind Faith" meaning.

not the matter of honest and dishonest.

it is the system, the system gone wrong.

go and get the book <Death By Prescription> by Dr. Ray Strand.
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think both of u had misunderstood what Dr. Ray Strand "Blind Faith" meaning.

not the matter of honest and dishonest.

it is the system, the system gone wrong.

go and get the book <Death By Prescription> by Dr. Ray Strand.
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Ok.

Whatever, I just want to tell people, doesn't matter they believe the doctor or not, they should completely not trust those bomoh, medicine maker, pawang, or others who is not a registered doctor. Because those people only want to get profit from disease patient.

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Ok.

Whatever, I just want to tell people, doesn't matter they believe the doctor or not, they should completely not trust those bomoh, medicine maker, pawang, or others who is not a registered doctor. Because those people only want to get profit from disease patient.
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Do not believe wholeheartedly in the doctors, especially the oncologists. It has nothing to do with these people being dishonest. They were taught to do what they do, and this is not always right. It has to do with their limited knowledge of cancer. It has to do with the big pharmaceutical companies pushing chemo and similar drugs because they make billions doing so. How long does it take to become a doctor? 7 years approximately. So before these potential doctors went to medical school, they were like you and me - zero knowledge of medicine. So, after learning what medical school teaches them in 7 years, they earn the right to tell you what to do, and people trust them with their lives. I know people (including myself) who have had job experience much more than 7 years, some 20-30 years. And each and every one of these experienced people still say they have a lot to learn. So a doctor with 7 years experience (plus maybe a few more years working in a hospital or clinic) knows everything about cancer? Don't kid ourselves. We pay too much respect to doctors, oncologists in particular.

Doctors are very good in diagnosing and curing heart problems, diabetes, and many other illnesses but cancer is a different ball game. Every doctor I know (and I know a lot since I golf with them) will tell a cancer patient to "eat anything you want" - even after major surgery. This itself shows their ignorance. Diet is a MAJOR factor in getting or curing cancer. Doctors/oncologists have only 3 solutions for cancer - surgery, radiation and chemo. If they have a 4th solution, please tell me. Translated, surgery, radiation and chemo means cut, burn and kill. The worldwide success rate for chemo (GO RESEARCH AND CHECK THIS OUT) is 3%, perhaps less. Would you embark on a business venture if you knew that your chances of success is 3% or less? Of course not. But many cancer patients do, because of ignorance or too much respect for doctors and oncologists. Are you aware that many oncologists are very proud to tell a cancer patient that with chemo, they will live 3-6 months longer. 3-6 MONTHS, not 3-6 years. Go talk to real patients and real oncologists, do not believe what I write.

Having said all this, it is even worse to believe in fake medicine men or heartless people who want to profit from a cancer patient with their quack cancer cures.

So then , what else can a cancer patient do? There are more than 350 alternative cancer treatments that have cured thousands of cancer patients. All non-toxic, non-drug. Heard of the Hospital of Hope in Mexico? Go research. Do you know how many alternative treatments are there for Parkinson's Disease? ZERO, only the drugs. Why? Because up to now, medical science still does not know what causes Parkinson's Disease and since they do not know what causes it, they do not have the cure. Its a strange fact that a cancer patient has much more alternative treatment options than a Parkinson's Disease patient. Or a Alzheimer's patient.

You want to talk to real-life people who are now living normal lives even after 4th stage or terminal cancer? People who shunned chemo and the hospital (sometimes because they just cannot afford the hospital treatment)? People who the doctors said would live not more than 6 months? Contact me.

For every disease or illness there is on this earth, God has given the cure in a plant, tree, herb or fruit. Man, with all his wisdom, thought he was smarter by processing these natural cures into a drug form. But yes, we forgot. They are indeed smart - they can then patent the drug and make millions.

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if not doctor, who else should cancer patient look for??
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Read my article in full.

Of the 3 solutions they have for cancer, only surgery makes sense. So yes, we need to see the doctor for biopsies, x-rays, ultrasounds and scans (btw too many scans, x-rays will also give you cancer). Nothing wrong in getting a first, second, even third opinion from doctors. Never trust just one opinion - I know people who had their legs amputated and operations done after just one ill-informed 'advice' from a doctor, when it was found that the amputation and operation was unnecessary had they sought a second opinion.

For cancer, just don't believe what doctors, especially oncologists, when all they have to offer is radiation or chemotherapy. If you have stage 1, maybe stage 2 cancer with no metastasis, and your body is strong, radiation and chemo may help. But the chances of cancer recurring months, even years after radiation and chemo (after the doctor has declared you 'cancer-free') is very common. And what do the oncologists recommend after the cancer has returned (when cancer returns, it is even more resistant to chemo)? More chemo! If something has not helped you earlier, do you think more of it will help? Yes, my friend, oncologists will keep on prescribing more powerful chemo - until the patient dies. And when this happens, they will blame it 100% on the patient - he/she was not strong enough, the cancer was too advanced, and all that bullshit.

You want proof? I don't know this local Malay lady but I know her website. Read the part where she describes her illness 'Steps for my journey (on cancer)'. Read for yourself how the cancer returned, after chemo, and after the doctors said the cancer was gone! http://rahayu-roslan.blogspot.com/

So, to answer your question. Do your research - you will find many alternative sources for cancer cures on the internet (but don't believe all of them, many are scams). Ask your friends who have good experiences with alternative treatments. Or ask me privately.

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cschong & 200 : The biggest reality that a cancer patient has to faced is that they actually have cancer. A lot of cancer patients have problems with this reality.

Now the big question is whether we (as an observer) should be placing blame on them for not taking what we think is the correct measure? This usually mean a total lifestyle change e.g. diet, exercise, nutrition? It's a huge them for them that most cancer (or any terminal illness patient) will go into denial.

What goodkarma and basSist said is absolutely correct but you guys are arguiing about something different. They are talking about what measures that should be taken by a cancer patient. You guys are arguing that cancer patients should stop being in denial or depress and do something to heal their cancer. I get the feeling that it's because you cannot comprehend what it means to be a cancer patient and that not everyone is mentally strong to accept that they have a health problem and they need to do something about it.

Until we are in their shoes, we can't comprehent how scary and brutal it is to face one's death sentence.
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Ok now, Im adding this reply w/o reading the whole 7 pages.

Cancer patient? I dont know any. But I have read a lot about them. Do you know that most of the time, those seeking help from doctor with chemo, the patient did not die from the cancer itself. But they die because their body is not able to cope with chemo.

When you expose your body with chemo, every cells in your body died. Your hair drop by just touching them, I've not heard of anyone gaining weight while taking chemo coz you wont be well enough to have the desire to eat. All you want to do is just sleep as you're tired most of the time

A close relative of mine got a tumour and have to get it remove. And after the surgery, the doctor ask her to take drugs which make her sleep for 23 hours a day. And the moment she is awake, she seems lifeless

It goes on for 2 full day
On the evening of the 3rd day(something happen on the 3rd day), she was having her walking outside and she she got so many energy left she can't sleep at night (this is from someone who was sleeping for 46 hours for the past 2 days. She still continue to take her medication till it finish)

what happen during the 3rd day was that I gave her something to take. It was a combination of 2 products that I know which contain the highest level of enzyme. Enzyme is the catalyst for our body cell to function. When you take chemo, all your good cell is wipe out. And doctor dont give you anything to replenish that other than more drugs to make your body more sick

For those of you who have anyone with cancer, take my advice. Ask them to take something which is rich in enzyme. Dont just take vitamins. As w/o enzyme, your body would not be able to absorb the nutrient thus it would take a long time to see any result.

As the product I recommend could not be found in normal shop, PM me if you want to know what it is. OK, it is from MLM company but I would only go as far as recommending it to you. As Im not a member myself but only a consumer, you need to go and buy it from others.

Thus pls dont flame me that Im trying to sell you guys things. I only want to tell my experience.

dont take it from me, here, learn it yourself
understanding importance of enzyme
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I was 1st expose to enzyme nutrients from Lifestar company's product. One big difference from the one found from pharmacy is that the one they're selling is 'alive' proven by Kirlian photography. See it to believe it
Is your Vitamins alive?

Sadly, Lifestar is no longer on sale in Msia. Let me know if anyone know where to buy it. One amazing about it is, it is not an extract thus it is not categorily a drug. All other brand name major Vitamins is an extract from something thus considered a drug.


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Ok now, Im adding this reply w/o reading the whole 7 pages.

Cancer patient? I dont know any. But I have read a lot about them. Do you know that most of the time, those seeking help from doctor with chemo, the patient did not die from the cancer itself. But they die because their body is not able to cope with chemo.

When you expose your body with chemo, every cells in your body died. Your hair drop by just touching them, I've not heard of anyone gaining weight while taking chemo coz you wont be well enough to have the desire to eat. All you want to do is just sleep as you're tired most of the time

A close relative of mine got a tumour and have to get it remove. And after the surgery, the doctor ask her to take drugs which make her sleep for 23 hours a day. And the moment she is awake, she seems lifeless

It goes on for 2 full day
On the evening of the 3rd day(something happen on the 3rd day), she was having her walking outside and she she got so many energy left she can't sleep at night (this is from someone who was sleeping for 46 hours for the past 2 days. She still continue to take her medication till it finish)

what happen during the 3rd day was that I gave her something to take. It was a combination of 2 products that I know which contain the highest level of enzyme. Enzyme is the catalyst for our body cell to function. When you take chemo, all your good cell is wipe out. And doctor dont give you anything to replenish that other than more drugs to make your body more sick

For those of you who have anyone with cancer, take my advice. Ask them to take something which is rich in enzyme. Dont just take vitamins. As w/o enzyme, your body would not be able to absorb the nutrient thus it would take a long time to see any result.

As the product I recommend could not be found in normal shop, PM me if you want to know what it is. OK, it is from MLM company but I would only go as far as recommending it to you. As Im not a member myself but only a consumer, you need to go and buy it from others.

Thus pls dont flame me that Im trying to sell you guys things. I only want to tell my experience.
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Very useful sharing. You should be thanked, not flamed.

This is exactly what I was talking about - an alternative to surgery, radiation and chemo. Lifestar has a protocol called Lifestar Restoration Protocol for cancer patients that seems to work very well, even for certain 4th stage cancers. I did not cover diet or what you should be consuming to help your body fight cancer (it will take 5 pages to write) but enzymes are a must. Organic shops today are flooded with all sorts of enzymes but not all of them are helpful. Do your research, ask around - just don't be stupid enough to believe that anything from a so-called organic shop is really organic or healthy. BTW, in Malaysia. when you buy an organic vegetable of a fruit, chances are it is only certified organic at the farm where it is grown. How this vegetable or fruit is packed, stored and transported to the organic shop may not be organic at all. In Europe, certification is given all the way - up to the the time the organic product sits on the store's shelf. Much more genuine.

And yes, most cancer patients do not die of the cancer itself. Inspiron is partly right in blaming chemo for the patient's death but this is only the indirect reason. The direct reason is the body's weakening immune system, made even weaker by the chemo, that leads to the body's organs to shut down, one by one. And this ultimately leads to death.

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Here is something ironic for cancer patients:

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Cancer drug linked to fatal brain virus

WASHINGTON: The 57-year-old lawyer had completed the tough New York Times Saturday crossword puzzle for years. But one Saturday morning, he just
couldn't find words to fill in the squares. He had been attacked by a brain virus.

In Chicago, an 83-year-old woman began parroting the same phrases over and over. When her doctor asked her how she was, she replied, "I am fine. I am fine. I am fine."

The symptoms of the New York lawyer and the Chicago woman could have been mistaken for early dementia. But an MRI brain scan and biopsy revealed like their brains had been eaten away.

A brain biopsy and a spinal tap confirmed the diagnosis of a swiftly moving and often fatal viral brain infection called progressive multifocal leukoencephalitis (PML) that attacks the brain's white matter.

Both had lymphoma and had been taking the popular cancer drug rituximab (brand name Rituxan) before they developed the brain infection.

read more here: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Health-...how/4551813.cms

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D.R.U.G,

afterall it is your choice to believe what you believe. Believe something that is natural to body or synthetic to body, up to you.
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My friends grandmother had a mouth cancer, from last 6 months she was suffering very badly and only last month she passed away .... nothing was their that even the best doctors could do to save her
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Doctors could only stick to standard regimen.


Cut, burn, poison.


Success rate very low.


If you even try alternative, be ready to be branded a quack.

Cancer is a pharmaceutical monopoly on treatment. Even if they have the cure they wouldn't sell it to you, because one time sales is not as good as multiple treatment regiments to strip you of your money.


While I do not advocate dangerous alternative treatments, there're a few you can try which you got nothing to lose even if it does not work. If everything else not working and you decided to stop chemo/radiotherapy... you can try


1. Baking soda gargling (if mouth/oral cancer)

2. 1 teaspoon of baking soda mixed with maple syrup and heated to bind the element to the 'sugar' syrup. Ingest it. Cancer likes sugar. But once it is tricked to consume sugar (loaded with alkaline baking soda) it will end up like how Troy fell to a trojan horse.

3. Starve yourself of sugar to make body more alkaline. Raising PH will prevent cancer cells from accumulating, since they need acidic PH to proliferate.

4. RAW Juice fast, make juice/veggie smoothies with tons of antioxidant greenies such as celery, broccoli, kale, broccoli sprouts, carrots, mix some papaya and papaya leafs. Do not take any dairy products, or fatty food.

5. Please exercise, walk 2 hours daily.

6. Drink a lot of water.

7. Learn taiji and meditation.

8. Boost immunity, take certain supplements that are high in doses of Vitamin D3.

9. Eat brown rice with raw garlic, raw onions, raw veggie, totally vegetarian diet, avoid all meat, for at least 6 months.


Hey you got nothing to lose anyway!

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In 1945, at the time of the atomic bombing of Japan, Tatsuichiro Akizuki, M.D. was Director of the Department of Internal Medicine at St. Francis's Hospital in Nagasaki. Most patients in the hospital, located one mile from the center of the blast, survived the initial effects of the bomb, but soon after came down with symptoms of radiation sickness from the fallout that has been released.

Dr. Akizuki fed his staff and patients a strict diet of brown rice, miso and tamari soy soup, wakame, kombu and other seaweed, Hokkaido pumpkin, and sea salt and prohibited the consumption of sugar and sweets.

As a result, he saved everyone in his hospital, while many other survivors perished from radiation sickness.
Source: Tatsuichiro Akuziki, M.D. Nagasaki 1945, London Quarter books, 1981. (Brown rice, miso, Sea vegetables, Salt)


sos

Dont wait till stage 4 cancer before you want to give it a try. If someone can survive atomic radiation, anyone can survive stage 1 cancer

Learn more about the wonders of raw food.But I do admit, if you dont have the terminal disease, raw food diet is not for you. Why exclude yourself from life's pleasure when you're healthy? But if you got cancer as your opponent, raw food is the way to go about it.
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Patients who require diagnosis and treatment for any number of cancers will be referred to an oncologist. This type of specialist has extensive education and training specifically in how to work with this disease.hattiesburg oncologist
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http://www.purezing.com/living/books/livin...eakthrough.html
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Anybody know about Li Fraumeni syndrome?

Li Fraumeni Syndrome is a disease that will change the p53 gene and cause several tumors and cancers. Once a person was found to have this disease, he or she will face several cancers in his / her life, NON-STOP. That means a cancer patient with Li Fraumeni Syndrome, once his / her cancer successfully cured, another cancer will come again. It is also possible that he / she can have multiple cancers at the same time.

Very sad, currently no medical technology can cure this syndrome. And, this syndrome will be inherited by next generation. That means, if you have this syndrome, your next generations, children, and grandchildren will have very high chances to have this syndrome.

I know all these after I watch a Hong Kong TVB drama "The Seventh Day" which the main actress died from cancer at the end because of this syndrome, and then I done some online research after watching.

Ladies and gentlemen, one cancer already can make a patient suffer enough. Imagine a person with this syndrome, ........ (you should know what I mean).

According to my research, beside Li-fraumeni Syndrome, there is another syndrome called "Cowden syndrome" which also cause cancers, although not as serious as Li-fraumeni syndrome.

It is really sad to know that there is such disease exist in this world.

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QUOTE(cshong @ Jul 25 2009, 11:46 PM)
Anybody know about Li Fraumeni syndrome?

Li Fraumeni Syndrome is a disease that will change the p53 gene and cause several tumors and cancers. Once a person was found to have this disease, he or she will face several cancers in his / her life, NON-STOP. That means a cancer patient with Li Fraumeni Syndrome, once his / her cancer successfully cured, another cancer will come again. It is also possible that he / she can have multiple cancers at the same time.

Very sad, currently no medical technology can cure this syndrome. And, this syndrome will be inherited by next generation. That means, if you have this syndrome, your next generations, children, and grandchildren will have very high chances to have this syndrome.

I know all these after I watch a Hong Kong TVB drama "The Seventh Day" which the main actress died from cancer at the end because of this syndrome, and then I done some online research after watching.

Ladies and gentlemen, one cancer already can make a patient suffer enough. Imagine a person with this syndrome, ........ (you should know what I mean).

According to my research, beside Li-fraumeni Syndrome, there is another syndrome called "Cowden syndrome" which also cause cancers, although not as serious as Li-fraumeni syndrome.

It is really sad to know that there is such disease exist in this world.
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In movies cancer is not treatable. But in reality cancer is treatable by alternative medicine. Many cancer patients have been cured by alternative treatments. But too bad they are not recognized by mainstream medicine and the relevant authorities simply because modern medicine has been made standard and controlled by filthy rich drugs companies. And also huge taxes are also collected by the government from the big pharma.
Too bad that the lives of patients have to be sacrificed for profits and $$$$.
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QUOTE(4Rings @ Jul 26 2009, 07:23 AM)
In movies cancer is not treatable. But in reality cancer is treatable by alternative medicine. Many cancer patients have been cured by alternative treatments. But too bad they are not recognized by mainstream medicine and the relevant authorities simply because modern medicine has been made standard and controlled by filthy rich drugs companies. And also huge taxes are also collected by the government from the big pharma.
Too bad that the lives of patients have to be sacrificed for profits and $$$$.
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In reality, we can successfully cure a cancer. But still no way to cure Li fraumeni syndrome. So, patient with this syndrome, when one of his/her cancer successfully cured, another will come again, again and again.
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Hi guys, I'm actually testing out this supplement called transfer factor. It helps boost the immune system. So far i've recommended it to a few people and it has improved conditions of a diabetic patient, 1 foot & mouth disease, ease asthma attack and lower blood pressure.

I havn't recommended this to anyone with cancer but I've heard of cases that it does help. Has anybody tried it before?
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when it come to cancer there are so many so call alternative medicine that have been claim to be miracle cure, but we must be aware of the snake oil salesman that exploit people in their moment of weekest to make money.

These supplement are not subjected to clinical trial to confirm its effect. there is not way you can get definite prove of effectiveness by have people giving testimonial on the supplement. they may all be placebo effect.

Randy Pauch, the Carnegie Mellon professor with terminal cancer that famously deliver a last lecture to his student, have this to day when ask about alternative threatment.

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I've received 10,000 e-mails—that's a real number—many of them telling me about different remedies. But my first filter is, Has it been through any kind of clinical study? The plural of anecdote is not data, so if you know three people that did some alternative cure, that's positive, but it's not the same thing as real, clinically proved data.


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when it come to cancer there are so many so call alternative medicine that have been claim to be miracle cure, but we must be aware of the snake oil salesman that exploit people in their moment of weekest to make money.

These supplement are not subjected to clinical trial to confirm its effect. there is not way you can get definite prove of effectiveness by have people giving testimonial on the supplement. they may all be placebo effect.

Randy Pauch, the Carnegie Mellon professor with terminal cancer that famously deliver a last lecture to his student, have this to day when ask about alternative threatment.
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Well this is one of the articles that I read in pubmed on tumour.

"Glioblastoma multiform (GBM) is the most common tumour of the central nervous system in humans. Unfortunately its prognosis is poor and because of the lack of efficacious therapies, immunotherapy is a potential treatment. Transfer factors (TF) are low molecular weight dialysable products extracted from immune cells which transmit the ability to express delayed-type hypersensitivity and cell mediated immunity from sensitized donors to nonimmnune recipients. In this study, we determined the efficacy of TF as immunotherapy to treat experimental glioblastoma. We used TF obtained from immunized swine. We evaluated different doses of intratumoral TF (product of 4x10(6), 8x10(5) and 1.6x10(5) cells). The best dose (product of 4x10(6) cells) of TF was also combined with carmustine for experimental therapy in rats with C6 malignant glioma. Modifications in peripheral blood T lymphocyte counts ( CD2+, CD4+, CD8+ and NK) were evaluated by flow cytometry. Cytokine expression in the tumour was assessed by RT-PCR and apoptosis was evaluated using the sub G0 method. Intratumoral TF reduced significantly the tumour size, and increased CD2+, CD4+, CD8+ and NK cell counts, it also increased the percentage of apoptotic tumour cells and the percentage of tumour tissue expressing Th1 cytokines. We observed an additive antitumoral effect when TF was combined with chemotherapy."

I'm not a doctor but the last sentence caught my attention.
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THATs why FOOD is most important in LIFE !

is not the Doctors not the money is what put into your body ..

IF Body to acidic than dieases easy to start but if Alkaline then no worries

(DExtox & alkalne PH body is the key to healthy life )

" Prevention is Better Than Cure !!!"


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According to WHO (World Health Organization) seriously adv that out of 135 human basis illness, there are 106 cause by unbalanced calcium of our body.

Did anyone know unbalanced calcium of our body will cause lots of illness ? Cancer is one of the symptom.

Today, if we have a oppotunity to survive and prevent from cancer, would you give yourself and your love one a chance ?

If you are interested to know, pls pm me. TQ.
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chemo kills all the cell. its reduce your immune system capability.

my uncle have cancer, third stage.

we tried with modern and alternative medicine. Go around Kelantan and meet someone in Pasir Puteh.

We found kenarak or its brand name Kalis T. It is very affordable than the pills.

Since, we know the success rate of modern ways is not convincing, we think it is okay to try Kalis T.

It's work for my uncle.

I would like recommend to all to try this product. it is worth to try it. I am promoting this product because the owner is sincere to save people life including my uncle.

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my dad just passed away last 2 months of lung cancer

when he found out, it was just 2nd stage...but later on spreaded to lymph nod
the whole battle lasted for 1 year plus

Been thru 2 radiotheraphy and 3 Chemo...but of no help at all
He did all these with the oncologist, Dr Christina (UMSC, now in Sunway)
Being my own opinion, i would say she's an unethical oncologist.
She's recommend expensive and not so useful chemo to my dad, and we believe in her all the while.
And if u look carefully in the bill, she charged consultation fee on days even when she did not turn up.

She even suggest my dad to have the Chemo straight after a radiotheraphy. Even the radiotheraphist himself said to my dad, the doctor must be crazy, it's a must for the patient to rest for 2 weeks before he proceed with any other theraphy.

So then we realise and transfer to another hospital. The other oncologist look at the medical record and told us the approach she took was all the way wrong. And since she already use such high dosage on my dad and so many times....there's no use of having any chemo anymore...

We were hoping to try other things like herbal remedy...but that time he was too weak and coughing blood continuously...
it's just too late to try anything...

how could she turn a 2nd stage patient into a dead body
damn her!

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QUOTE(samantha88 @ Sep 28 2009, 01:25 PM)
my dad just passed away last 2 months of lung cancer

when he found out, it was just 2nd stage...but later on spreaded to lymph nod
the whole battle lasted for 1 year plus

Been thru 2 radiotheraphy and 3 Chemo...but of no help at all
He did all these with the oncologist, Dr Christina (UMSC, now in Sunway)
Being my own opinion, i would say she's an unethical oncologist.
She's recommend expensive and not so useful chemo to my dad, and we believe in her all the while.
And if u look carefully in the bill, she charged consultation fee on days even when she did not turn up.

She even suggest my dad to have the Chemo straight after a radiotheraphy. Even the radiotheraphist himself said to my dad, the doctor must be crazy, it's a must for the patient to rest for 2 weeks before he proceed with any other theraphy.

So then we realise and transfer to another hospital. The other oncologist look at the medical record and told us the approach she took was all the way wrong. And since she already use such high dosage on my dad and so many times....there's no use of having any chemo anymore...

We were hoping to try other things like herbal remedy...but that time he was too weak and coughing blood continuously...
it's just too late to try anything...

how could she turn a 2nd stage patient into a dead body
damn her!
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i am sorry for your dad. i would like to advise, always have second opinion doctor from others organization. most of doctor today are money-oriented especially in the private hospital such as pantai hospital, sungai petani.

u should sue the dr. and its hospital for conducting unethical medical procedure. get help from the lawyer.

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i am sorry for your dad.  i would like to advise, always have second opinion doctor from others organization. most of doctor today are money-oriented especially in the private hospital such as pantai hospital, sungai petani.

u should sue the dr. and its hospital for conducting unethical medical procedure. get help from the lawyer.
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Sueing the doctor can't bring back one person life. Thanks for sharing anyway.

My friend's grandfather was hospitalised because he fall down and bang his head. Sent to hospital and doctor said nothing serious. Didn't perform any scan on the head.

When I heard about it a few day later, I ask my friend to sent her grandfather to another hospital and perform a brain scan immediately. After that, the result came out and show that there is some blood clot in the brain and need to perform surgery. The doctor say, if this is not done the grandfather would have died.

I agreed, some doctors are really useless and have a don't care attitude.
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My aunt was a rectrum cancer patient. Thankfully, the treatment seems to have worked. and she's ok now.

Just want to say I hate people who smoke in toilets, ignoring the "no smoking" signs. Damn them for putting non-smokers at risk of lung cancer.

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Now, the above subject probably caught your attention.

Do you know that when one person is dianose with cancer or other critical illness, most of their savings will be used out to pay for hospitalisation fees?

If you are one of them, would you like to know how you can protect yourself and family financially?

There are 2 types of people:
(a) People who think nothing will happen to them and take life for granted
(b) People who think of the risk and do something about it

Which type are you? 

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Anybody know about Li Fraumeni syndrome?

Li Fraumeni Syndrome is a disease that will change the p53 gene and cause several tumors and cancers. Once a person was found to have this disease, he or she will face several cancers in his / her life, NON-STOP. That means a cancer patient with Li Fraumeni Syndrome, once his / her cancer successfully cured, another cancer will come again. It is also possible that he / she can have multiple cancers at the same time.

Very sad, currently no medical technology can cure this syndrome. And, this syndrome will be inherited by next generation. That means, if you have this syndrome, your next generations, children, and grandchildren will have very high chances to have this syndrome.

I know all these after I watch a Hong Kong TVB drama "The Seventh Day" which the main actress died from cancer at the end because of this syndrome, and then I done some online research after watching.

Ladies and gentlemen, one cancer already can make a patient suffer enough. Imagine a person with this syndrome, ........ (you should know what I mean).

According to my research, beside Li-fraumeni Syndrome, there is another syndrome called "Cowden syndrome" which also cause cancers, although not as serious as Li-fraumeni syndrome.

It is really sad to know that there is such disease exist in this world.
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Since you have done so many research on the Li Syndrome, I wonder if you have done research on cancer itself? Everyone got cancer cell in their body. It is only when your health is deteriorating to such an extend that your body is not capable of stopping the cancer cell to grow.

My recommendation would be if you can find such a person with the syndrome is to adhere to a 100% raw food diet. After that, you would not need to worry about cancers, not to mention cancer.

it is like there is a evil side in everyone of us. And when things get so bad in your life, your evil side of your life would take over and that is where crime comes from. You ever see a tycoon rob a bank or succesful white collar job people involve in snatch thief?

It is the same with cancer, you make your body healthy food, adequate exercise, enough rest and it wont be able to multiply.



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Cancer is just in everyone now a days. Believe it or not. If your immune system is strong, you will be unaware of it. A tickle of stress and lack of proper nutrient will put unwanted growth in your body... called cancer.

I have seen people dying of cancer and it is so sad we could not do anything about it.

So the only thing you could do is start exercising, eat and sleep well and stay healthy


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I have an aunt who does not smoke & does not consume alcohol. She eats steamed fish & lots of veges daily. She also does qi-gong & exercise every week. Suddenly she developed a chronic cough & was diagnosed with lung cancer.

The conclusion from this & many other patients is that cancer is something that we dont really understand fully yet. We should lead a healthy lifestyle & avoid smoking & excess alcohol & maintain a healthy diet.

SOmetimes, the cancer genes are already in us. Sometimes, our normal genes mutate. So cancer can still develop. This is what happens in Li Fraumeni & Cowden syndrome. There are many other syndromes which causes multiple cancers such as Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia, Peutz-Jagher and more.

What we can do is to know our bodies well. Take good care of it. And consult a doctor when we have anything suspicious.
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I have an aunt who does not smoke & does not consume alcohol. She eats steamed fish & lots of veges daily. She also does qi-gong & exercise every week. Suddenly she developed a chronic cough & was diagnosed with lung cancer.

The conclusion from this & many other patients is that cancer is something that we dont really understand fully yet. We should lead a healthy lifestyle & avoid smoking & excess alcohol & maintain a healthy diet.

SOmetimes, the cancer genes are already in us. Sometimes, our normal genes mutate. So cancer can still develop. This is what happens in Li Fraumeni & Cowden syndrome. There are many other syndromes which causes multiple cancers such as Multiple Endocrine Neoplasia, Peutz-Jagher and more. 

What we can do is to know our bodies well. Take good care of it. And consult a doctor when we have anything suspicious.
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Consult a doctor by all means, but when it comes to a cancer prognosis/diagnosis, I would get 3 opinions before I do anything. In such cases, one should tread very carefully when dealing with doctors, and especially oncologists, who are all too willing to 'help you' with an operation that "must be done tomorrow", followed quickly by the usual burn (radiation) and destroy (chemo) medical advice.

Sorry to hear about your aunt but cancer is not that all mysterious. Whilst diet is a major cause, there are other factors that can trigger the cancer - things like stress and inflammation. Trace back what the cancer patient has been doing the 3 years preceding the diagnosis and you will get a very good indication of what triggered the cancer. Its all about asking the right questions (even if the patient seems to have the perfect diet). Things are never as they seem or presented.
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QUOTE(goodkarma @ Sep 30 2009, 06:55 PM)
Consult a doctor by all means, but when it comes to a cancer prognosis/diagnosis, I would get 3 opinions before I do anything. In such cases, one should tread very carefully when dealing with doctors, and especially oncologists, who are all too willing to 'help you' with an operation that "must be done tomorrow", followed quickly by the usual burn (radiation) and destroy (chemo) medical advice.

Sorry to hear about your aunt but cancer is not that all mysterious. Whilst diet is a major cause, there are other factors that can trigger the cancer - things like stress and inflammation. Trace back what the cancer patient has been doing the 3 years preceding the diagnosis and you will get a very good indication of what triggered the cancer. Its all about asking the right questions (even if the patient seems to have the perfect diet). Things are never as they seem or presented.
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just for sharing...if you have diagnosed with cancer...

I do produce a product namely Tunas K

Drink this remedy as the tea. Tunas K, RM 100 for 15 days or buy the tree at RM 50 and cook it yourself to get the stock, and drink it for 3 weeks. No harm to try.

Its working for my uncle and 6/10 patients in my clinical test. Still waiting for KKM.

Me do this not for money. Just helping others because i know its work. PM me for details.




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QUOTE(prof.wafi @ Sep 30 2009, 09:50 PM)
just for sharing...if you have diagnosed with cancer...

I do produce a product namely Tunas K

Drink this remedy as the tea. Tunas K, RM 100 for 15 days or buy the tree at RM 50 and cook it yourself to get the stock, and drink it for 3 weeks. No harm to try.

Its working for my uncle and 6/10 patients in my clinical test. Still waiting for KKM.

Me do this not for money. Just helping others because i know its work. PM me for details.
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I think very few people will be able to understand your two research articles.
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I think very few people will be able to understand your two research articles.
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mungkin ini lebih memudahkan...

Rawatan Kanser / Cancer Treatment

Bahan / Ingredient
Akar dan batang Kenerak / Goniothalamus umbrosus)

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Penyediaan / Serving Direction
Masukkan 1 uncang ke dalam 3 cawan air panas
Put a sachet for 3 cup of boiling water

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Berat Bersih / Net weight
1gm x 15 uncang
1gm x 15 sachets
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Kegunaan / Usage
Sesuai untuk merawat kanser terutama kanser payudara, pangkal rahim, otak
Suitable to cancer treatment- breast cancer, uterus cancer, brain cancer

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Fakta / Facts

Kenerak - Goniothalamus umbrosus J.Sincl.



Nama saintifik : Goniothalamus umbrosus J. Sincl
Nama tempatan : Kenerak, Sekulai, Sekulai putih

Pemerihalan

Pokok kenerak merupakan sejenis pokok renek yang boleh ditemui di hutan dan belukar yang agar tebal. Bunganya berbau sangat wangi, berwarna kuning keputihan ketika mula kembang dan akan berubah menjadi kuning. Daunnya agak besar dan lebar berukuran lebih 20 cm panjang dan 7 cm lebar. Ia boleh membiak melalui biji benih dan keratan batang.

Kandungan kimia

* dehydrogoniothalamin
* goniothalamin
* 5-acetoxgoniothalamin

Kegunaan tradisonal

Secara tradsinya kenerak digunakan dalam perubatan Melayu untuk:

* rawatan penyakit seperti barah rahim
* penjarak kehamilan
* tonik selepas bersalin

Cerapan biopotensi yang pernah dilaporkan

Antikanser

Bahagian kulit kayu G. umbrosusu telah didapati dapat menahan pertumbuhan baru sel-sel kanser payudara dan ovari dengan merangsangkan kematian sel apoptotik. Pada masa yang sama meninggalkan kesan minimum terhadap sel-sel yang tidak berpenyakit.

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mungkin ini lebih memudahkan...

Rawatan Kanser / Cancer Treatment

Bahan / Ingredient
Akar dan batang Kenerak / Goniothalamus umbrosus)

***************************************************
Penyediaan / Serving Direction
Masukkan 1 uncang ke dalam 3 cawan air panas
Put a sachet for 3 cup of boiling water

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Berat Bersih / Net weight
1gm x 15  uncang
1gm x 15  sachets
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Kegunaan / Usage
Sesuai untuk merawat kanser terutama kanser payudara, pangkal rahim, otak
Suitable to cancer treatment- breast cancer, uterus cancer, brain cancer

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Fakta / Facts

Kenerak - Goniothalamus umbrosus J.Sincl.



Nama saintifik  :  Goniothalamus umbrosus J. Sincl
Nama tempatan  :  Kenerak, Sekulai, Sekulai putih

Pemerihalan

Pokok kenerak merupakan sejenis pokok renek yang boleh ditemui di hutan dan belukar yang agar tebal.  Bunganya berbau sangat wangi, berwarna kuning keputihan ketika mula kembang dan akan berubah menjadi kuning.  Daunnya agak besar dan lebar berukuran lebih 20 cm panjang dan 7 cm lebar.  Ia boleh membiak melalui biji benih dan keratan batang.

Kandungan kimia

    * dehydrogoniothalamin
    * goniothalamin
    * 5-acetoxgoniothalamin

Kegunaan tradisonal

Secara tradsinya kenerak digunakan dalam perubatan Melayu untuk:

    * rawatan penyakit seperti barah rahim
    * penjarak kehamilan
    * tonik selepas bersalin

Cerapan biopotensi yang pernah dilaporkan

Antikanser

Bahagian kulit kayu G. umbrosusu telah didapati dapat menahan pertumbuhan baru sel-sel kanser payudara dan ovari dengan merangsangkan kematian sel apoptotik.  Pada masa yang sama meninggalkan kesan minimum terhadap sel-sel yang tidak berpenyakit.
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QUOTE(prof.wafi @ Oct 1 2009, 01:16 AM)
mungkin ini lebih memudahkan...

Rawatan Kanser / Cancer Treatment

Bahan / Ingredient
Akar dan batang Kenerak / Goniothalamus umbrosus)

***************************************************
Penyediaan / Serving Direction
Masukkan 1 uncang ke dalam 3 cawan air panas
Put a sachet for 3 cup of boiling water

***************************************************
Berat Bersih / Net weight
1gm x 15  uncang
1gm x 15  sachets
***************************************************
Kegunaan / Usage
Sesuai untuk merawat kanser terutama kanser payudara, pangkal rahim, otak
Suitable to cancer treatment- breast cancer, uterus cancer, brain cancer

****************************************************
Fakta / Facts

Kenerak - Goniothalamus umbrosus J.Sincl.



Nama saintifik  :  Goniothalamus umbrosus J. Sincl
Nama tempatan  :  Kenerak, Sekulai, Sekulai putih

Pemerihalan

Pokok kenerak merupakan sejenis pokok renek yang boleh ditemui di hutan dan belukar yang agar tebal.  Bunganya berbau sangat wangi, berwarna kuning keputihan ketika mula kembang dan akan berubah menjadi kuning.  Daunnya agak besar dan lebar berukuran lebih 20 cm panjang dan 7 cm lebar.  Ia boleh membiak melalui biji benih dan keratan batang.

Kandungan kimia

    * dehydrogoniothalamin
    * goniothalamin
    * 5-acetoxgoniothalamin

Kegunaan tradisonal

Secara tradsinya kenerak digunakan dalam perubatan Melayu untuk:

    * rawatan penyakit seperti barah rahim
    * penjarak kehamilan
    * tonik selepas bersalin

Cerapan biopotensi yang pernah dilaporkan

Antikanser

Bahagian kulit kayu G. umbrosusu telah didapati dapat menahan pertumbuhan baru sel-sel kanser payudara dan ovari dengan merangsangkan kematian sel apoptotik.  Pada masa yang sama meninggalkan kesan minimum terhadap sel-sel yang tidak berpenyakit.
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My dad diagnosed to have this lung cancer, is stage 4. One lung gone, liver oso got tumour. doctor say onli left half year life. He never smoke, how come got lung cancer?

he is young jz 60yrs, haven enjoy his retired life, haven go travel oversea, haven has chance to hug his grandchild, haven has chance to see each of his children get marry... I reli hope all this is a dream but thing never change. why cancer?
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My dad diagnosed to have this lung cancer, is stage 4. One lung gone, liver oso got tumour. doctor say onli left half year life. He never smoke, how come got lung cancer?

he is young jz 60yrs, haven enjoy his retired life, haven go travel oversea, haven has chance to hug his grandchild, haven has chance to see each of his children get marry... I reli hope all this is a dream but thing never change. why cancer?
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Lung cancer is not restricted only to people who smoke. There are heavy smokers who never get cancer and live to their 70s.

There are men who also get breast cancer.

I know of vegans (vegetarians) who also get cancer.

I do not know your dad but I have worked with many cancer patients (btw I am against radiation and chemo, so obviously I am not a doctor or an oncologist) and I have seen enough. Let me ask you these questions:

1. What was your dad's diet the last 3 years?

2. Was there any stress the last 3 years?

3. Did he have any inflammation in his body the last 3 years? (gum problems, heatiness problems)

If you want to take this private, just PM me.
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jz wan to ask around how much money is the cancer stage 4 treatment from CT scan till chemotherapy for both public and private hospital?

tung shin hospital hw much?

public and private hospital which one better? pros and cons... thank you smile.gif

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Here is my story,

Few years ago, my dad was a healthy man.. He alwis go exercise with me.. But duno why, all of a sudden his leg got a lum.. it grow bigger and bigger.. Went to the doctor to scan X-ray, the doctor say the bone leg inside got cancer.. So my dad have to take off the bone and put a metal plate inside..

Half month later, my dad have to use walking stick.. Company ask him rest and my dad become unemployed.. My dad was a vry successful man, and end up after this incident happen, the company look down on him as he cant do anything..

Sooner later my dad jz take all those organic food.. And 1yr later, he cancer spread to the lungs.. At 1st it was 1 small dot, as month past it grow bigger and bigger and my dad start vomit blood..

Try alot of kimotherapy and all the herbs, end up it doesnt work at all.. The cancer spread until the whole lungs.. In the end my dad past away..

This is my story for you people.. I prayed so hard, but end up god still cant help my dad.. So If anyone of u having cancer, please take it seriously as it is still in the early stage.. smile.gif
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My story - My grandad is 86 and he got throat cancer. He must smoke coz if he don't he can;'t speak.
All of us took him for kemo 3 months and for 5 months he's heeling. and now we're waiting for another month to make sure his cancer is all gone. He's strong and healthy, dun need a walking stick to walk. he's discipline in whatever he take in.
And that proves how strong he is. I LOVE HIM smile.gif

The end. biggrin.gif

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hello...can anyone tell me cancer treatment in private hospital need hw much? will Tung Shin hospital cheaper? my uncle got cancer... cry.gif
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people,

its really sad and all to know anyone who got cancer. i dont believe in chinese medicine but there are herbal medicines.

or for supplement, try spirulina. its a good preventive supplement. u can google spirulina and cancer. tons of articles, researches confirm spirulina can help to prevent cancer cells from forming into a colony.

v all have cancer cells but when they form a colony on a particular organ then v fall sick. spirulina works well on preventing mouth cancer, i m a smoker so i m particular about this.

i can recommend u the brand i m taking. pm me. coz there r tons of brands out there.
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guy, plz visit http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=217&t=1269309

this is one of TASLY Group product from china, very effective one, a lot of testimony bout this product from ex-cancer victims if u wan

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QUOTE(bodifit @ Dec 9 2009, 11:42 PM)
people,

its really sad and all to know anyone who got cancer. i dont believe in chinese medicine but there are herbal medicines.

or for supplement, try spirulina. its a good preventive supplement. u can google spirulina and cancer. tons of articles, researches confirm spirulina can help to prevent cancer cells from forming into a colony.

v all have cancer cells but when they form a colony on a particular organ then v fall sick. spirulina works well on preventing mouth cancer, i m a smoker so i m particular about this.

i can recommend u the brand i m taking. pm me. coz there r tons of brands out there.
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spirulina is good. actually the main function is to cairkan darah. recommended for 40 and above, even dun have sickness. however, it works only with the right doses. overdoses can harm the patient. Get specialist in government hospital because they have controlled good spirulina.
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My advice to you all, NEVER take any medicine which is not given by doctor. If you really want to try a medicine, consult your doctor about the medicine first. Else, when something happened,.......... you know what I mean.
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try ask your doctor about alkaline water.. scientist in japan has discovered that drinking alkaline water can reduce cancer.. see my signature below for more video of the research..
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try ask your doctor about alkaline water.. scientist in japan has discovered that drinking alkaline water can reduce cancer.. see my signature below for more video of the research..
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some of my friends worked on alkaline water as their project. It doesnt have any medicinal properties based on their experiments. The antioxidant capacity of it is almost non-existent.


Added on February 24, 2010, 10:33 pmBtw, i learned in my medical micro class today that vitamin b17 is very helpful. But then its rare to be found.

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Just wondering if one of my close relative having breast cancer.. Is there any chances I'll get the cancer too..? wat I mean here is genetic..?
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Just wondering if one of my close relative having breast cancer.. Is there any chances I'll get the cancer too..? wat I mean here is genetic..?
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The chance is low, but to insure you may go do body screening :0
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I lost my grandma last month to lungs cancer.
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My mom died cause of Breast cancer , after finish all medical ,Even chinise ubat also cant cure , at last pass away at bed sad.gif at evening , haih jus pass few month problem... still miss her .. , Dont trust chinise ubat just a lie , my mom wasted over RM100~200k on that care.
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QUOTE(MrTl @ Feb 25 2010, 01:29 AM)
My mom died cause of Breast cancer , after finish all medical ,Even chinise ubat also cant cure , at last pass away at bed sad.gif at evening , haih jus pass few month problem... still miss her .. , Dont trust chinise ubat just a lie , my mom wasted over RM100~200k on that care.
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Hope your mum rest in peace, and you should strengthen your own spirit to leave on

i do agree that when it comes to cancer, don't really believe in chinese medicine

my uncle also died of nose cancer, he detected it like 30 years ago, followed the (english) doctors prescription, and he enjoyed his life most of his 30 years, only suffered during the beginning and towards the end of his life....
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QUOTE(MrTl @ Feb 25 2010, 01:29 AM)
My mom died cause of Breast cancer , after finish all medical ,Even chinise ubat also cant cure , at last pass away at bed sad.gif at evening , haih jus pass few month problem... still miss her .. , Dont trust chinise ubat just a lie , my mom wasted over RM100~200k on that care.
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May ur beloved mummy rest in peace dear..

Actually my close relative is 3rd stage of breast cancer.. and she consulted by a doc to operate it.. The doc even ask her to do the operation as soon as posibble..

The funny things said by the doc was "Pls don head over the chinese medicine.. I don mind if u dowan me to become ur operations doc"

My close relative done her operation 1 weeks before cny.. wat a brave person..

I wanted to have my body check up too but I jz afraid.. haih..
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does body checkup able to detect cancer? I mean, you won't know until there are symtoms. Like lump in the breast or pain somewhere.
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In 2004 my dear uncle was diagnosed as having bone cancer and stomach cancer. One day, he came to see me and told me about his problem. Having done some research on the cure for cancer, I told my uncle that the only cure for cancer is to change his lifestyle completely. I told him to let go of all drinks like coffee, tea, milo etc and to drink lots of plain water only. He must also not go for conventional cancer treatment like chemo becuase it is dangerous. I also advice him to avoid eating all animal products completely and to eat more fruits and vegetables.

Now is 2010 and my uncle is still living healthy...

I have said this many times before...most cancer patients want to get cured...but they are not willing to change their lifestyle...so they keep doing the bad things over and over again...

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does body checkup able to detect cancer? I mean, you won't know until there are symtoms. Like lump in the breast or pain somewhere.
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From blood test of course we cannot detect cancer.. It our body so take responsible on it..?

Like for female (myself) I'm going to get my checkup on breast and cervix.. If I got extra $ I might go for other checkup too..
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QUOTE(MrTl @ Feb 25 2010, 01:29 AM)
My mom died cause of Breast cancer , after finish all medical ,Even chinise ubat also cant cure , at last pass away at bed sad.gif at evening , haih jus pass few month problem... still miss her .. , Dont trust chinise ubat just a lie , my mom wasted over RM100~200k on that care.
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sorry to hear about ur beloved mummy had just leave u and ur family :(it's a very sad to see someone who they loved leave us suddenly because of sickness T_T
recently i got 2 uncle which is suffering cancer too sad.gif my 1st uncle was a very active man in sports and he doesn't smoke neither then drink alcohol too. But he also had this sickness bother his mental and fizikal too. Doctor told him the tumor on his abdomen are not so serious as it is just started and the tumor size are still very small. so doctor advise him to attend those medication program. Almost 4 month already, slowly by slowly his health back to normal and now his still need to be more careful about his food and drink too. He also got attend those sports " qi gong" which is now very popular for those cancer patient to join this activities.
After not more then half years, My 3rd uncle are now suffering with abdomen cancer rclxub.gif rclxub.gif and it is a very serious problem too. Doctor suggest him to do the operation to took out part of his abdomen coz it's already been infection by those virus. I know my 3rd uncle is a smoker too since very long time ago. He work as a captain pilot. Now when i saw him on Chinese new year , i totaly can't even regonize him anymore as his getting slimmer day by day sad.gif and i found out tht he is so suffering too. and hardly eat or drink. Before CNY he go for another 2nd surgery which the doctor saids his "usus" terikat inside shocking.gif i was shock when i heard about this news ohmy.gif After 2nd suggery, doctor told his family that now his life of living is 50-50 only sweat.gif *sigh*

i really wish he can live longer and see his children graduate and married too. sad.gif
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From blood test of course we cannot detect cancer.. It our body so take responsible on it..?

Like for female (myself) I'm going to get my checkup on breast and cervix.. If I got extra $ I might go for other checkup too..
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From Suzanne Somers, in the forefront in the fight against cancer (she had breast cancer). Read her book 'Knockout'. Dr. Blaylock is one of the most respected authorities on cancer.[cool.gif

Dr. Russell Blaylock on Mammograms and "Testiculograms"

After I wrote the blog – “Mammograms – Yes, No, Maybe So?” Dr. Russell Blaylock sent me this follow-up. He is an expert in this field, and I greatly respect his opinion.

Dr. Blaylock:

What women who defend mammograms do not appreciate is that many are developing breast cancer not naturally, but because of the mammograms themselves. The test they defend is what is killing a significant number of them. We went through this in the 70’s with routine chest x-ray studies; after several years of such screening they realized that it was not detecting enough pathology to justify the expense, but many physicians also recognized that it posed a significant radiation-induced cancer risk as well.

They will never admit to the radiation (mammogram) breast cancer link because that will tell women that many of them developed breast cancer because of the screening itself and that could severely damage the cancer establishment. And it could result in a massive number of lawsuits.

Why don’t we advocate “testiculograms” (I made this term up) on men - that is placing their testicles into a “panini” type of press machine, then radiating them - once a year starting at age 20. After all, it may save the lives of hundreds of men every year! We could even sell pink oval shaped decals to promote yearly “testiculograms” and have marathons to draw support. And we might even promote yearly CT scans of the prostate for men—that would save thousands from prostate cancer—if we apply the same flawed way of thinking we use for mammograms. Let’s see how many men show up for their yearly testiculogram or prostate scan. Just a thought.

As for the data on the benefits of mammograms, 10 of the largest studies seeking to determine if routine mammograms indeed prevented death from breast cancer - studies which included a half-million women from Canada, USA, Scotland and Sweden - all found that doing mammograms from age 40 to 49 did not reduce breast cancer deaths at all for 9 years of the survey. Nine of ten of the studies also found no death reductions over the next 10 to 14 years of observations. When they pooled all the results from all 10 of the trials, they found no reductions in breast cancer deaths during an observation period of 14 years.

When they looked at screening beginning at age 50, 3 found a statistically significant reduction, 4 found non-significant reductions and 1 found no reductions in breast cancer deaths at all. When they looked at women who started mammogram screenings at age 50 years and followed them for the next 20 years (age 70), they found a reduction in breast cancer deaths of 1 out of every 270 women (a 0.37% incidence of reduced deaths).

The vast majority of breast cancers found in women below age 50 are DCIS (ductal carcinoma in situ) and 50% never progress. These women will undergo unnecessary biopsy, breast surgery and, for many, radiation and chemotherapy.

One must also consider two other factors - false negatives and false positives. Women with breast cancer who have a false negative mammogram constitute some 5-20%, with the highest number being younger women. This means that 20% of younger women will have breast cancer that will not be picked up by the mammogram.

Mammograms expose women to a significant amount of radiation. We know that breast tissue is one of the more radiosensitive tissues. This is especially so for the woman with the BRCA 1 and 2 mutation and the woman who already have a DCIS (non-progressive in over 50% of cases). The radiation, based on extensive studies, would more than likely convert a non-progressive cancer into a highly invasive cancer in a number of instances. Remember, radiation is an accumulative tissue damaging agent - each mammogram will produce a certain amount of DNA and cellular damage that goes unrepaired. Women with inflammatory breast diseases are at an even greater risk, because the high level of free radical and lipid peroxidation damage also damages the DNA repair enzymes, and this means an even greater level of unrepaired DNA with each mammogram. This explains the 1-3% accumulative risk with each mammogram.

It is also known that radiosensitivity declines with aging as does the growth rate of cancers. A woman in her 50’s or 60’s will have a slower growing cancer than will a woman in her 20’s to 40’s. Likewise, because of the gap between radiation exposure and the development of the cancer, the hope of these mammogram proponents is that starting the mammograms at age 50 will mean that most women will die of other diseases, such as cardiovascular diseases, before she will develop a radiation-induced breast cancer. This is especially so if they change mammograms to every other year. For the woman living into her 80’s or 90’s - she will face a significant risk of a radiation-induced breast cancer. Also of concern are the women with the DCIS, which in over 50% of cases will never become a true invasive cancer. Yet, we know that in these breast lesions exist very unstable chromosomes. Radiating such lesions year after year greatly increases the risk that these benign lesions will become highly malignant. That is, the mammogram itself will induce the cancer. Millions of women have DCIS type lesions and most would never be any worse off if they never knew it. Now we have millions of women with DCIS being radiated every year and this assures that many will develop a highly invasive, deadly cancer caused by the scanning itself.

Women have an alternative. They can have a thermogram, an ultrasound or an MRI scan. None of these tests increase a woman’s risk of developing breast cancer. The mammogram defender will counter that the thermograms have not been proven effective - but then, they refuse to fund testing. They admit the MRI gives a much clearer picture of the breast, especially for very dense breasts (which for the mammogram cannot be read), but then claim that it will result in too many false positives. As we have seen, mammograms have a false positive rate of 90% (some 300,000 women undergo biopsies for false positive mammograms a year). How much higher could it be with MRI scans - 95%? They refuse to give up mammograms because they have spent billions on special breast scanning suites and expensive mammogram equipment - it is big business and it would be an admission that they have been harming and killing thousands of women.

Suzanne Somers

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Women have an alternative. They can have a thermogram, an ultrasound or an MRI scan. None of these tests increase a woman’s risk of developing breast cancer. The mammogram defender will counter that the thermograms have not been proven effective - but then, they refuse to fund testing. They admit the MRI gives a much clearer picture of the breast, especially for very dense breasts (which for the mammogram cannot be read), but then claim that it will result in too many false positives. As we have seen, mammograms have a false positive rate of 90% (some 300,000 women undergo biopsies for false positive mammograms a year). How much higher could it be with MRI scans - 95%? They refuse to give up mammograms because they have spent billions on special breast scanning suites and expensive mammogram equipment - it is big business and it would be an admission that they have been harming and killing thousands of women.

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im not sure about thermogram, but mammograms are for screening purposes, meaning on large population. yes mri is better, but mri machine is very expensive and a bit costly. in malaysia, maybe better reserve mri for confirming disease if not will be overcrouded.

maybe in developed country they can afford for everyone to do mri breast.. and i dont belive mammograms is causing the cancer
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QUOTE(izzizahari @ Mar 5 2010, 02:50 AM)
im not sure about thermogram, but mammograms are for screening purposes, meaning on large population. yes mri is better, but mri machine is very expensive and a bit costly. in malaysia, maybe better reserve mri for confirming disease if not will be overcrouded.

maybe in developed country they can afford for everyone to do mri breast.. and i dont belive mammograms is causing the cancer
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Before you make such "I do not believe statements", do you understand what really happens in a mammogram? Its radiation, no less. And if you do not believe it causes cancer, tell us why. Dig deeper into the world of chemotherapy, drugs and pharmaceutical companies. Then you will begin to understand that everything is about money. And mammograms is one more way to take your money, yet putting the individual at great risk.

This argument has nothing to do with being a developed or non-developed country. It has to do with making the right choices, and there is enough evidence out there showing that mammograms INCREASE the risk of cancer. You show me your evidence that mammograms are safe and I will counter it. Be more informed before making "i don't believe' statements. If I say I don't believe the world is round - so? Where's my evidence? Yes, go ahead and believe everything the doctors and the hospitals say.

In any case, and for your information, here's a recent article from the US that should put right your current thinking:

Ever since the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force took a look, finally, at the scientific evidence and announced new recommendations earlier this month for routine mammograms -- specifically that women under 50 should avoid them and women over 50 should only get them every other year -- the reactions from many women, doctors and the mainstream media have reached the point of near hysteria. Not getting annual mammograms, some say, means countless women will receive a virtual death sentence because their breast tumors won't be discovered. But what is rarely discussed about mammograms is this: the tests could actually be causing many cases of breast cancer.

In fact, a new study just presented at the annual meeting of the Radiological Society of North America (RSNA), concludes the low-dose radiation from annual mammography screening significantly increases breast cancer risk in women with a genetic or familial predisposition to breast cancer. This is particularly worrisome because women who are at high risk for breast cancer are regularly pushed to start mammograms at a younger age -- as early as 25 -- and that means they are exposed to more radiation from mammography earlier and for more years than women who don't have breast cancer in their family trees.

"For women at high risk for breast cancer, screening is very important, but a careful approach should be taken when considering mammography for screening young women, particularly under age 30," Marijke C. Jansen-van der Weide, Ph.D., an epidemiologist in the Department of Epidemiology and Radiology at University Medical Center Groningen in the Netherlands, said in a statement to the media. "Further, repeated exposure to low-dose radiation should be avoided."

Dr. Jansen-van der Weide and colleagues analyzed peer-reviewed, published medical research to investigate whether low-dose radiation exposure affects breast cancer risk among high-risk women. Out of the six studies included in this analysis, four looked at the effect of exposure to low-dose radiation among breast cancer gene mutation carriers. The other two studies traced the impact of radiation on women with a family history of breast cancer. The researchers took the combined data from all these research projects and then calculated odds ratios to estimate the risk of breast cancer caused by radiation.

The results? All the high-risk women in the study who were exposed to low-dose mammography type radiation had an increased risk of breast cancer that was 1.5 times greater than that of high-risk women who had not been exposed to low-dose radiation. What's more, women at high risk for breast cancer who had been exposed to low-dose radiation before the age of 20 or who had five or more exposures to low-dose radiation were 2.5 times more likely to develop breast cancer than high-risk women not exposed to low-dose radiation.

Bottom line: any supposed benefit of early tumor detection using mammograms in young women with familial or genetic predisposition to breast cancer is offset by the potential risk of radiation-induced cancer. "Our findings suggest that low-dose radiation increases breast cancer risk among these young high-risk women, and a careful approach is warranted," Dr. Jansen-van der Weide said in the press statement.

The mammogram scam exposed

Incredibly, although it is rarely reported in the mainstream media, the new study follows on the heels of several others that have already sounded the warning that mammograms may cause breast cancer. For example, NaturalNews covered a Johns Hopkins study published earlier this year in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute that warned radiation exposure from annual mammograms could trigger breast malignancies in women with a strong family history of breast and/or ovarian cancers who have