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basSist
post Mar 15 2009, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(felicious @ Feb 10 2008, 09:40 PM)
Cancer can be cured.
However, once there is cancer cells in our body, the cancer cells will produce again.
If you are lucky, cancer cells won't replicate and harm your body.
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There isn't any lucky and unlucky in this kind of situation, it is the habits of human that bring cancer.
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post Mar 15 2009, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(Faith+1 @ Mar 15 2009, 12:03 AM)
Not really, my mom always go to yoga, aerobic and exercise. She even take care of her foods.

And? She kena cancer.

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actually the cancer cells had been in the body for a period of time (around 10-20years). They need time to be expanded and mature. Before that, anti-oxidant would stop it for expanding.
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post Mar 15 2009, 12:22 AM

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yeah, agree with puppyee, do not consume high sugary food. Anti-oxidants (co-Q10, A,C,E) may help your mum too.
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post Mar 15 2009, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(basSist @ Mar 15 2009, 12:22 AM)
yeah, agree with puppyee, do not consume high sugary food. Anti-oxidants (co-Q10, A,C,E) may help your mum too.
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Forgot to mention, sugary food especially white rice, white noodle, white bread. Replace them with whole grain sources.

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post Mar 15 2009, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(ivzh @ Mar 15 2009, 01:41 AM)
organic food ... tak sedap =x
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post Apr 3 2009, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 27 2009, 12:21 AM)
Errr....I'm not an expert. I'm still learning >.<.

I googled the Dr Luke Lin you mentioned. It's not him.

The person I'm referring to is Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang. I got to know about him a few years ago when I bought a random book from Popular Bookstore about Fresh, Light, Toxin-Free. It was more on concepts of eating and there were quite a number of testimonials from cancer survivors (although the way they describe the healing crisis is tough).

The Recipe Book was is titled "21 Days : Dr Luke Lin's Guid eto Toxin-free living" although I was informed that this one couldn't be bought in bookstores.

His detox diet is really popular amongst the Chinese community from what I hear from friends. Food is a bit bland because it's mostly steam/boiled but his philosophy of food selection is a mesh of Western and Chinese nutrition philosophy. That's what makes it intriguing.
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About Dr. Luke Lin Kuang Chang, is it the one that sued by one cancer patient.

Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_491d668001000atq.html
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post Apr 3 2009, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 3 2009, 02:34 PM)
That's sad. But I can understand the anger and frustration of the cancer patient though.

Dr. Luke Lin's diet is nothing new though. Looking at so many food health sites as well as healthy cooking recipes and reading and checking out weight loss sites, what he recommends is nothing new, to be honest. But when one is promoting healthy living for cancer patients or terminally ill patients, one should expect backlash if things go wrong, like what is happening now.

Dr. Luke Lin advocates taking plant enzymes to help with food digestion. That's probably the only difference from what I see in weight loss sites and recipe books. However, having taken plant enzymes in the past, I must admit that it's not easy to take it all the time because it made my stomach clenched and I stop it. But the healthy eating practices is not that much different from the Western world.

The other thing about having cancer is that the patient would have an underperforming body system i.e. it has become weaker and therefore cannot always eat like we do. It's also the same for detox diets : they may have more adverse side effects than we do.

The other thing about the Detox diet is the Healing Crisis effect i.e. the release of a higher concentration amount of toxins from the body that the body organs cannot clean it fast enough and so the person on the detox diet would feel more uncomfortable. There's a name for this effect in medical terms - will look for it later once lag goes away . I don't quite understand it well but I can imagine that a cancer patient having a difficult time to get over it because their bodies are already weak.

At the time of the post, I haven't read a book by Dr. Ray Strand but after reading his book, I'm becoming more convinced that there is quite a lot of truth about nutritional supplements with healthy eating and regular exercise may help. But whether it's too late for cancer patients, I don't know.
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It's good that u read the book. I read it 4 months ago. Always believe that our body is built up by nutrients and not the medicine/drugs. For acute diseases, we must go and look for doctors. But for chronic diseases (cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure etc), healthy lifestyle, balanced diet and appropriate nutritional supplement are the 3 main steps to help.
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post Apr 5 2009, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2009, 01:37 AM)
Hmm...are you saying that chronic diseases, it's not necessarily to see a doctor? Or are you saying that acute diseases, it's not necessary to have a healthy lifestyle, balanced diet and appropriate nutritional supplement? (English is such a confusing language).

I must admit that the book is tough reading and I had to do a lot of flipping between the pages just to refresh my memory a bit. Although the amount of supplements he's recommending is quite a lot, even for basic nutritional level. Just comparing Kordel's and Blackmore's supplements nutritional labels online, I'm guessing easily RM400-RM500 a month. This was just a quick check though.
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maybe my english is not that well. it is necessary to see doctors when u having chronic diseases to control and not worsen the situation anymore. but the 3 main steps can help you to get back health from chronic diseases. For acute diseases, the 3 main steps would be the basic, u need additional to help you on emergency. example, when u having injured and the blood flowing non-stop, u can't stop it by the 3 main steps and u need to get a doctor to help you on operation to stop that. maybe can be called as emergency diseases. sweat.gif

if chronic disease can be cured in hospital, the patient doesn't have to consume the medicine for the rest of the life. As long as you having medicine, you are not cured, but controlling. I have a friend that help a kidney problem patient to recover from the 9-month period survive using the machine and medicine. and now the patient don't need to consume any medicine or living by the machine anymore after year of recuperation。
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post Apr 5 2009, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 5 2009, 11:12 PM)
Ah, that's good to know.

Although we may have to be careful when it comes to sharing with cancer patients who may be coming here to this thread. Recovery can be chancy and it is sometimes stated that Hope can be a stressful emotion.
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Cancer can be recovered IF the method is correct. Don't give up. You (patients) can do it.
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post May 4 2009, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(cshong @ May 4 2009, 11:36 AM)
I have 5 relatives diagnosed with cancer, and only two still alive.

My 1st aunt (mother's side) died in about one year after diagnosis of breast cancer. When she die, I was only about one years old.

My 4th aunt (mother's side) diagnosed with uterus cancer after give birth to my cousin more than 10 years ago. Luckily, the cancer was found early. She have her uterus removed immediately, and still alive today.

My grandfather (dad's side) died from lung cancer when I was about 13. He never smoke, none of my family members smoke. Doctor said he can't have operation or any treatment because of old age.

My father died from pancreatic cancer about 3 years ago. In 2004, he was diagnosed with this disease and have large part of pancreas removed. He do chemotherapy. About two years later, the cancer relapse and spread. He died after a few months. Doctor said my dad can life about 2 and half years already considered lucky, as most of the patient with this cancer cannot live more than one year.

My grandmother (mother's side) diagnosed with lymphoma. She is still alive but she never believe that she has this disease. She is stubborn, doesn't believe the doctor. She refuse for treatment.

Nowadays, even babies also get cancer.

However, if you or your family having cancer, don't follow my grandmother. Just follow what the doctor said, do whatever treatment suggested by doctor. Good luck.
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Do not have blind faith in doctors. Dr. Ray Strand said that. sad.gif
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post May 6 2009, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(200 @ May 5 2009, 08:51 PM)
believe in doctors is part of effort of a cancer patient.much better to follow doc advice rather than do nothing and seek help from unrecognized pawang or bomoh or other laternative practitioner.if u didnt agree with a doctor, u can seek for another doctor for second opinion.
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QUOTE(cshong @ May 6 2009, 09:51 AM)
Yes. This is true. Not every doctors in this world are dishonest. One doctor is bad does not mean all other doctors are bad. We can always seek for different opinions by different doctors.
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think both of u had misunderstood what Dr. Ray Strand "Blind Faith" meaning.

not the matter of honest and dishonest.

it is the system, the system gone wrong.

go and get the book <Death By Prescription> by Dr. Ray Strand.
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post May 20 2009, 01:32 AM

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D.R.U.G,

afterall it is your choice to believe what you believe. Believe something that is natural to body or synthetic to body, up to you.
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post Mar 25 2010, 02:21 AM

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First way to fight cancer, study and learn about the disease and know where it came from. Don't put all the hope to your doctor, because you are responsible for your own body, not the doctor. Doctor just follows the instruction on manual or guide to treat you and they do not know your lifestyle many years ago. Only you yourself know how your body responds. Please, too many cases, cancer patient is not death by their cancer disease. It is the treatment, chemo, radio, surgery took them away.

You or your family members do not know why and how the treatment goes and works. Doctor said "put off clothes", "lay down". You follow. You do not have any rights to choose and know what happen. If you dare to ask, you will normally get back an answer "it's complicated, just follow"

Recommended book to read before you do check up or any operations:

<Confessions of a Medical Heretic> ~ M.D. Robert S. Mendelsohn


 

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