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TSpkn_jet
post Dec 6 2024, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Dec 6 2024, 03:35 PM)
maybe the issue isnt about the dog. how invested are you in the marriage in the first place? If you can't commit to what she wants as a compromise, and she does not indicate that she wants children, ie lack of compromise in her part, then there really isn't any two ways about it.

a bit pointless to point out that she suddenly like something, like a dog. Both of you also have never had children, no? How do you know its something that you and her would want to commit to? Especially since you won't be able to do couple things anymore. Same situation as having a dog, really, only you need more commitment than a being a fur parent

my point is, if you can't handle having a dog to the point of considering divorce, then having a kid would cause a greater strain to the marriage especially if your wife needs to compromise with you and have a kid together -if- she does not want kids. Basically putting her in your situation but instead of 10+ years, it would be a lifetime.

you might need to talk in depth about each others needs and expectations at this point. Marriage means that you don't get to do what you want 100% and you need to consider your partner/family/pets before yourself.
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After what had happened now, i literally gave up of having the thoughts to have kids with my partner as i know it will have more problems later.

So, having kids will not be in the picture anymore. And if this is it, i also do not wish to go on with another couple of years, 10, 20, 30 years living in a marriage that is meaningless. Perhaps moving on is the only option, i supposed?
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post Dec 6 2024, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 6 2024, 01:39 PM)
When we were dating, of course will be doing what a couple usually does, sharing and doing things TOGETHER.  Before marriage, we also thought we will have children and the pet only came in after we got married.  That's when she realized she like her pet more then building a family together.
When you move from a dating relationship to marriage, definitely there's a common goal after marriage to nurture. For example, have children, build a dream house, do a business, etc. that both of you will you work together to achieve it.  After the pet came in, i do not have any OUR time together anymore and she focus mostly on the pet, which is not want i want, is she want. 

Going out - we can't be away for whole day, need to feed the dog, fetch the dog from "dog daycare center", etc. This is not the life i want with my lifetime partner, my friend.
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i think u never asked her clearly. if u guys talked about it before, wanna have children, why cant talk now?
fyi pets and children can coexist together. but if she doesnt want children then no choice, time to say goodbye.

woman who is career type can live with pets / Male pets (whch she can control emotionally and listen to her).
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post Dec 7 2024, 12:31 AM

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Hmmm I'm not speaking from experience but I see many families with kids and pets at the same time. Why does it have to be mutually exclusive?

I think you're being a bit too confrontational (?) if you force her to choose you or the dog. Depending on the context, I'd understand a little why she chose the dog over you:
- you backed her to a corner with the difficult question -- she answered in haste and/or out of spite.
- she thinks the dog can't live without her, but you can
- you haven't done much as a husband/lover?
- she's taking you for granted for some time

Try convincing her to have kids with you while keeping the dog. I want to see if she shows her true intentions about (not) having kids. I mean, don't you also want to have it all? Her as your wife, having kids together.... It sounds to me you wouldn't mind "adopting" the dog because your resentment to it now is only because she's using it as a shield to avoid the difficult discussions.
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post Dec 7 2024, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(C_ST @ Dec 6 2024, 10:52 AM)
Well, i have friend similar to TS situation, but luckily they are not married yet, still got time to think.

TS really need to sit down, get a formal talk. IF hard, then pay some $$, get a mediator/consultant/lawyer to host the talk. Casual talk/discussion wont help, it will probaly come out with "ok ok ok, we see how then"

Post #2 & Post #3 obviously dont understand the actual situation, how things changes over time. TS emphasized he wan kids, and he is not pet type person, u still ask TS to go along -.-
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Agreed with you.

Really need to sit down and sort out everything face-to-face.

It's time to be open and direct. Communicate both your expectations and see if a compromise can be reached.

Otherwise, it is pointless to go on in the marriage.

If I were you, I would have made it super clear that I hope my future wife would be able to raise our kids together etc.

If no, then we won't be wasting each other's time.
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post Dec 7 2024, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(ketnave @ Dec 6 2024, 02:27 PM)
Like you said, a dog life span, at best 10+ years ... A child is a lifetime ...

Hmm, did you try to find out why she does that ? Is she using the dog to prepare herself ?

After you do have a child, whatever that you were experiencing now will some what be similar, there are places where you can't bring your kid (bar, etc), whenever you travel you will have to check here check there, bring stroller, let say when you two want to have your "own" time, you will be worried about your child ...

All in all ... do have and try to have a talk with your wife ... wish you all the best !

Finally there is saying :-
寧教人打仔,莫教人分妻
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I think comparing a dog and a children do have some similarities but in fact they are really big difference.. at least the children exist because of love between 2 individuals but dog can be any dog (be it from the shop it was purchased from or from the street etc..)

As for this quote 寧教人打仔,莫教人分妻, I don’t really agree as I feel that is should not be a taboo to break off if love doesn’t exist anymore, no point being together for the sake of being together especially in our era where things have changed so rapidly..



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post Dec 7 2024, 09:25 AM

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You are in ur late 30s, what about her? Late 30s as well?

2 years marriage not conceive yet..hv both of u done fertility test?





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post Dec 7 2024, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 7 2024, 09:25 AM)
You are in ur late 30s, what about her? Late 30s as well?

2 years marriage not conceive yet..hv both of u done fertility test?
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Yes she is in her mid 30s too.. and no we have not done any fertility test.

I know a women can still conceive at her age but there will always be risk. I feel it’s abit too late now.

Anyway, like I said having children together is no longer in the picture. If so, I do not know how to continue with this marriage.
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post Dec 7 2024, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 7 2024, 09:41 AM)
Yes she is in her mid 30s too.. and no we have not done any fertility test.

I know a women can still conceive at her age but there will always be risk.  I feel it’s abit too late now. 

Anyway, like I said having children together is no longer in the picture.  If so, I do not know how to continue with this marriage.
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i had my kids when I was in my late 30s and my wife in mid 30s

it's not too late now
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post Dec 7 2024, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Dec 7 2024, 10:05 AM)
i had my kids when I was in my late 30s and my wife in mid 30s

it's not too late now
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With the current situation, i reckon having children (if lucky) will turn from bad to worst as my partner does not have the intention to have kids. Even after we welcome the kids, anything happened sure will backfired and blame will be put on each other, and it all back to square one.

By then, a divorce may make more difficult particularly on the children custody, etc.

So the discussion to sit down, talk and discuss on family planning is not a viable option.
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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 7 2024, 09:41 AM)
Yes she is in her mid 30s too.. and no we have not done any fertility test.

I know a women can still conceive at her age but there will always be risk.  I feel it’s abit too late now. 

Anyway, like I said having children together is no longer in the picture.  If so, I do not know how to continue with this marriage.
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Its not too late but u guys should do fertility test (both of u).

Imagine if u divorce for not wanting kids but one or both of you actually hv fertility problems.

Maybe this should be a first step.




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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 7 2024, 11:02 AM)
With the current situation, i reckon having children (if lucky) will turn from bad to worst as my partner does not have the intention to have kids.  Even after we welcome the kids, anything happened sure will backfired and blame will be put on each other, and it all back to square one. 

By then, a divorce may make more difficult particularly on the children custody, etc. 

So the discussion to sit down, talk and discuss on family planning is not a viable option.
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U seem to have made up your mind here.


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post Dec 7 2024, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(adam1190 @ Dec 7 2024, 02:11 AM)
I think comparing a dog and a children do have some similarities but in fact they are really big difference.. at least the children exist because of love between 2 individuals but dog can be any dog (be it from the shop it was purchased from or from the street etc..)

As for this quote 寧教人打仔,莫教人分妻, I don’t really agree as I feel that is should not be a taboo to break off if love doesn’t exist anymore, no point being together for the sake of being together especially in our era where things have changed so rapidly..
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It's about the responsibility towards caring for a life that is entirely dependent on you when growing up. There are couple that aren't able to bear children that will have to look at adoption or surrogacy. Anyhow, the comparison here is about the care and responsibility of another life, be it a dog, cat, a child.

That's why it's called a saying or quote, not a rule or a law. It's something that you can refer to as a guide so to speak and make your judgement. My take on the saying is, as an 3rd party or an outsider, you never really truly know what had happened and what had lead to the current situation, hence, it's better to not suggest people to divorce.

But hey, if there were any physical violence or threat to your life, surely you have to do something to protect yourself.

Indeed we are living in very fast moving era, so let's agree to disagree smile.gif


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post Dec 7 2024, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 7 2024, 09:41 AM)
Yes she is in her mid 30s too.. and no we have not done any fertility test.

I know a women can still conceive at her age but there will always be risk.  I feel it’s abit too late now. 

Anyway, like I said having children together is no longer in the picture.  If so, I do not know how to continue with this marriage.
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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 7 2024, 11:02 AM)
With the current situation, i reckon having children (if lucky) will turn from bad to worst as my partner does not have the intention to have kids.  Even after we welcome the kids, anything happened sure will backfired and blame will be put on each other, and it all back to square one. 

By then, a divorce may make more difficult particularly on the children custody, etc. 

So the discussion to sit down, talk and discuss on family planning is not a viable option.
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Hmm, do you still remember why you would marry her ? Any recollection of the good days ? Is it still worth it ?
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post Dec 7 2024, 11:17 PM

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TS using waifu dog issue, blow it up and make it a big deal to divorce his wife😆😆


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post Dec 8 2024, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(ketnave @ Dec 7 2024, 11:16 PM)
Hmm, do you still remember why you would marry her ? Any recollection of the good days ? Is it still worth it ?
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From a relationship to marriage, my goal is always that we will set up a happy family and grow old together, but all the hope came to a disappointment. If there is no pet, I would not envisage this to happened.

QUOTE(kesvani @ Dec 7 2024, 11:17 PM)
TS using waifu dog issue, blow it up and make it a big deal to divorce his wife😆😆
A man will know what other man unconsiously have in mind devil.gif  devil.gif
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There is no 3rd party (human) involved in this situation. I still love my partner but I can’t go on by treating the pet as our kid for the remainder of my life. Goal of life is not aligned I would say.

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 6 2024, 10:01 AM)
So I have been married to my partner where we know each other for 10 years (married for 2 years quite recently).  Along these years, we are just a happily ever after couple but our relationship/bonding changed after my wife decided to have a dog (thanks to MCO) and this was an impulse decision - we did not discuss what and how if we were to have a pet. 

After the pet came, our marriage life change drastically where my wife will put all the time and effort to the dog (treating it as if like is her own kid).  We have been discussing and i stressed that i want to have kid, but she would not be able to commit.  We have been petting the dog for 3 years now and our daily routine is nothing but all about the dog now. Wherever I plan to go (like a short trip or so), she will be worried for her dog, as you know in MY not everywhere is pet friendly place. 

I'm not a pet person and i do not enjoy walking the dog in the park, pet cafe hopping, pet gathering etc.  I'm in my late 30s now and i do not want to carry on with this lifestyle for the next 10 years (assume the dog can live for another 10 years).  I have a good career and ultimately i want to have a family but not with the dog.

After all these, i have been thinking for a divorce.  We have been discussing/deep talk this few times and did not managed to come a conclusion (she will not let go of her pet/and I'm not willing to go on for my remainder of my life with the dog).  If i were to compromise and accept the dog as a family, i will not be happy and it will not be marriage life i want. 

Additional info - I'm a man with no bad habits, typical house-husband type that does all the housework.  So i do not think my wife attitude change cos of some bad from me. Just FYI. 

Please my friend, your two cents of advice would be very much helpful to me.

TLDR:
Both married with no kids
Wife have a pet dog but husband dont like
Husband want to have kids but wife not able to commit
Divorce??
Reconcile??
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First I would like to say this, take a lot of the advice in this forum with a huge grain of salt. Many here are single, not married and even some married without kids. So they may not have the perspective you require when facing this scenario.

From my point of view, you both need couples counseling and therapy. Why? First is to get you both on talking properly and honestly with a neutral 3rd party to help smooth things out and find the deeper meanings. Also, to figure out what's her real fear of having children, so that can be addressed.

The simple fact that she got a dog, and dotes on it like a child shows her maternal instinct at full blast. You're both in your mid 30s, minus 3 years means she would be in early 30s when the dog came into the picture. That is also the age where the female biological clock kicks in hard. I've seen so many women I know go from "I don't want to have kids" in their late 20s to "I can't stop thinking about babies" in their early 30s. There are exceptions of course.

As long as she comes to terms to having the kid as her own decision (not something you force/coerce her in to), the child will over-shadow the dog. Its not like the dog will become not important, but the child will open her up to a vast capacity of love she could not possibly imagine. So you don't have to worry about the child being uncared for.



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post Dec 9 2024, 01:26 AM

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because it's easier to take care of a dog compared to a child

it's also much cheaper to take care of a dog compared to a child

it also requires less time to take care of a dog compared to a child

it's also less stressful on a woman's body by having a dog

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even if she eventually agrees to have a child, she would put all the blame on you if anything untoward happens

Divorce is the only solution

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post Dec 9 2024, 09:12 AM

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Looks like your wife put the pet first before you and she is not able to balance you and the dog which make you rant in this forum.

1. Some serious discussion need to take place
- Dog lifestyle :
a. If travel, what are the plans
- Pet friendly hotel, food etc
b. If dog social activities (i.e dog walking, vet check etc ), who is responsible and what are the plans?

- Husband need :
a. Travel plan
b. Social plan
c. Leisure plan
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post Dec 9 2024, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Dec 9 2024, 01:26 AM)
because it's easier to take care of a dog compared to a child

it's also much cheaper to take care of a dog compared to a child
Not really.  The monies she spent on the dog, is as much or even more expensive for a children.  Premium food, day care, vet, pet shirt, stroller and bags, etc.

it also requires less time to take care of a dog compared to a child
Yes in a away.  But she spent most of her free time accompanying the dog on her free time, i.e. after work, weekend.

it's also less stressful on a woman's body by having a dog
This one i agreed.

one caution
even if she eventually agrees to have a child, she would put all the blame on you if anything untoward happens

Divorce is the only solution
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QUOTE(darkmusses @ Dec 9 2024, 09:12 AM)
Looks like your wife put the pet first before you and she is not able to balance you and the dog which make you rant in this forum.

1. Some serious discussion need to take place
- Dog lifestyle :
a. If travel, what are the plans
- Pet friendly hotel, food etc
b. If dog social activities (i.e dog walking, vet check etc ), who is responsible and what are the plans?
This is the concern.  We did travel before, putting the pet in a pet hotel.  But my partner just so worried about the dog and we do not enjoy the trip at all.

- Husband need :
a. Travel plan
b. Social plan
c. Leisure plan
Mostly yes.  I feel a married couple should have balanced the sequence of priority but all came into disappointment.
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post Dec 9 2024, 11:14 AM

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The info "Additional info - I'm a man with no bad habits, typical house-husband type that does all the housework. So i do not think my wife attitude change cos of some bad from me. Just FYI."

The last 10 years knowing each another, did the two (2) of you go into any major fight(s) or argument(s) before the marriage?

There are 2 types of fights, namely:-

1)Positive fight / argument, both of you will find a middle ground to compromise / move forward.
2)Negative fight/ argument, always 1 side gave in & the other side never compromise / the issue left suspended without any solution.

The fight, the couple should treat is as the limit "chart" of their partner. It is just like a Hooke's Law for the spring elasticity, you can stretch the spring within the limit of elasticity without damaging the spring. The distortion of the spring will always go back to its original form. However, when the elasticity limit is breached (point of deformation), the spring will never ever be able to return to its original state.

It is human nature to push this limits, we always try to test the limit of the tolerance of our partner. The fight in relationship is the indication when the relationship's limit is being approached. When the fight occurs, if the couple reacts positively, something need to be done to avoid the spring from going into "failure point". If nothing is being done, the failure point will be certainly be breached.

Has any form of fight(s) take place before ? Or did you hide your protest(s) under the carpet / never let her know your limits of tolerance all these while? Is this your first time going into major disagreement / fight ?

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