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nihility
post Dec 6 2024, 10:52 AM

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I'll put forward a very ruthless option.

Raising children has the biological time constraint vs raising a dog (has no biological time constraint)

There should the sequence of priority in life. If the dog(pet) has higher priority than the husband or kids, this kind of woman should be left to spend their life with their dog. Let her remember the divorce in her life is caused by a dog. A simple and straight forward option. There is no need to bring other element into discussion.

After the sequence of priority is correct, raising the children has taken the place, both of you have more leisure of time for the pet(dog) in future, that time it is still not too late let her have the dog again.

Hence, in between the dog & divorce - let the wife decide on the agreed date. If she choose the dog on the dateline, execute the divorce procedure without emotion. If she choose husband & kids over the dog, find the dog a new owner.

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post Dec 6 2024, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 6 2024, 11:32 AM)
I totally agreed with you.  The sequence of priority has gone the other way that brought to my current situation.  When we talked and i asked, she did said she choose her dog over husband/family.

Setting a timeline seems to be the only option now.  She has invested into a new condo (with her name only) and should be completed in Q1 2025.  I think i would suggest her move out and think over the decision.
Thanks for the advice my friend.
Not sure if i'm being emotion now but current situation, #3 is likely where we are now.
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Put 1 more question to her. Ask if the dog is to mask her intention not to have kids? See if she is hiding this under the carpet all these while.

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post Dec 6 2024, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 6 2024, 11:48 AM)
She is a career type of woman.  She does worry if having a kid would have an impact on her career, and of course she will also have less time with her pet if a kid come into our life. 

I also agreed to take care most of the parenthood but it is not convincing for her to commit.
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She doesn't want the children. That is my deduction.

Someone who want the children, will find way to make it happens. Someone who does not want the children, will find the excuses not to have them.

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post Dec 6 2024, 01:48 PM

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TS, if you don”t mind , what is the enviroment of the wife growing up?

The parent in laws behaviour ? The wife”s sibling characters ?
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post Dec 6 2024, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 6 2024, 01:55 PM)
She grown in a small happy family, her parents and siblings are all also well connected.  I would say she grown in happy and steady family.

One thing i do not understand is - she never owned a pet (dog) since she was kid and when we were dating for almost 7 years or so, we never thought of owning a pet also.  If you grown with family that have pet dog, i can understand and definitely i will not going into marriage with her, cos im not a pet person.

And when we talked, she said she only realised she loved dog so much after she got one. 

Speechless.
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It only means that the blind spot / “land mine” in relationship is inevitable. Very heartache to know the partner gave up/ change direction half-way after into the marriage. Both male & female also have similar version of their stories.

During your separation period, give sufficient cool off period for 2 off you. Maybe a miracle can happens or some ppl can knock some sense into her logically.

I have heard the male lost his marriage to another male - very common.
I have heard the male lost his marriage to another lesbian - that was very unusual.
Now I heard a male that lost his marriage to a dog. I”m totally speechless.

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post Dec 9 2024, 11:14 AM

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The info "Additional info - I'm a man with no bad habits, typical house-husband type that does all the housework. So i do not think my wife attitude change cos of some bad from me. Just FYI."

The last 10 years knowing each another, did the two (2) of you go into any major fight(s) or argument(s) before the marriage?

There are 2 types of fights, namely:-

1)Positive fight / argument, both of you will find a middle ground to compromise / move forward.
2)Negative fight/ argument, always 1 side gave in & the other side never compromise / the issue left suspended without any solution.

The fight, the couple should treat is as the limit "chart" of their partner. It is just like a Hooke's Law for the spring elasticity, you can stretch the spring within the limit of elasticity without damaging the spring. The distortion of the spring will always go back to its original form. However, when the elasticity limit is breached (point of deformation), the spring will never ever be able to return to its original state.

It is human nature to push this limits, we always try to test the limit of the tolerance of our partner. The fight in relationship is the indication when the relationship's limit is being approached. When the fight occurs, if the couple reacts positively, something need to be done to avoid the spring from going into "failure point". If nothing is being done, the failure point will be certainly be breached.

Has any form of fight(s) take place before ? Or did you hide your protest(s) under the carpet / never let her know your limits of tolerance all these while? Is this your first time going into major disagreement / fight ?
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post Dec 9 2024, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 9 2024, 08:14 PM)
I supposed I’ve reached the limit of my tolerance for what has happened now.  I appreciate everyone comment here where no children or with children, compromise, etc.

Yes, as a man, I know we should be more rationale in handling this kind of situation.  But we are all emotional human being after all.  For the matters that we have not been talking for weeks, she does not bother to put in effort to say, hey, maybe we can discuss and I’ll be more “relaxed” in petting the dog, and we prioritize our time together than the dog. 

A simple gesture or effort of such would not make me to be so frustrated and I’m willingly to open to sit down and talk over it. 

But this not happening, maybe she has the intention to divorce as well?
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Just do nothing for now until the condition suitable to talk. See one step, take one step. May you overcome this soon.
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post Dec 9 2024, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Dec 9 2024, 03:56 PM)
seriously imho, it has nothing to do with the dog.
I think your wife is not really ready to become a mom. Because you can have a dog and have a kid together as well. Try go check out lots of videos in Youtube where a couple with existing dog welcome a child and the dog even become good buddy of the child and very protective of the child too. (maybe you can consider showing such video to your wife too)...
but take a way the dog or put aside the dog, i think without the dog too your wife most likely will give you the same answer that she's not ready to become a mom...

Taking care of a child is way way way way way more complicated and harder than taking care of a dog... i'm speaking from my own experience...i have dog...i also have kids...  cool2.gif
good luck buddy...

on a separate note....you love your wife and you made a vow to marry her... just because she don't want to have kids you want to divorce her? you love your wife or you love kids? again, just my own opinion, I love my wife first and whatever after that, both should discuss and come to mutual agreement together. In this case, if my wife is not ready to have kids, i shall stick with her decision as well until she is ready...even if it means there is a possibility we won't have kids...
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I gained some hidden profound from your post. Thank you.
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post Dec 10 2024, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(pkn_jet @ Dec 10 2024, 09:36 AM)
To all my friend, i valued all the advice and comments given here.  Perhaps i will try arrange for a marriage counselor and seek for third party professional advice, hopefully we will be able to reach an outcome.

I supposed the counselling will need to be attend by both me and my partner, right? Sorry for the noob question.
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Yes, it need to be attended by both husband & wife from the information I heard. No harm trying out but do have some preparation, in case if your wife are not willing to participate or open up during the session.


 

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