But the same thing also sound good on paper for the telco "competitions" I even show the data not hearsay about how slow Malaysia 4G is in context of others 4G speed on other country.

Can you tell me what innovation that telco do in 4G days other than coverage? Like that is the only "innovation" the telco can think of and then rip Malaysian money off because they have better coverage while the Malaysian until now still have broken congested 4G services 10 years later?

Im a person of facts and the facts is DNB has proven their worthy in only just 3 years.

What data should I see or believe that Malaysia telco is competent in the" competitions"? Because like I said before, I literally can find cheaper 5G plan with unlimited speed and FUP than 4G.

Suppose the buyout of Umobile happen, we still have TM and Yes, which is still a good competition for Malaysia. But come to think of the current situation, what can justify Maxis spending over 10 billion to buy out this Uncle Vincent's company?
Same coverage and same speed illiminate the headache of getting multiple line if one is to travel a lot. Unless there is a mandate for roaming across all 4g/5g regardless who own it.

u can literally tell the different telco 4G coverage & speed.
telco also introduce 4G+, & various bands biding that pushes 4G speed more than 100+ Mbps.
when 4G was first launched, it was like 20-40 real world speedtest.
at the same time, cost per gigabite of 4G also reduced a lot compared to when first launched.

if u stick wit DNB only, most likely u:ll use the same tech, get the same speed (if not slower when it's congested) throughout the DNB contract period.
price also same cuz the agreement fixed the ceiling price per gigabit for the duration of contract.
we'll nvr get to experience true 5G tech wit DNB.

To make it a bit fair, I will show the data of 3 years after 4G rollout in Malaysia.

After 3 years of 4G existence in Malaysia, the median speed is only 7.93 Mbps. The lowest median speed in the top 10 ranking for 4G is Sweeden 19.89Mbps.

https://www.opensignal.com/reports/2016/08/...-mobile-network

While DNB in just 2 years manage to bring Malaysia to the top of the world.

u wan fair, u should compare the median speed 2 years after the 2nd 5G network roll out vs DNB after 2 years.

our 5G now looks good on paper, speedtest fast on local server.
go international server, sometimes slower than 4G.
current 5G is only good enough for sequential download.

that's y we need true 5G.
DG 5G median speed is slower than MY.
but if u actually go there to experience Singtel 5G for example, i guarantee the experience is more pleasant than any telco in MY.
probably cuz better latency with NSA.

You said 5G only good on paper but isn't the article from Opensignal I shown also used the same destination for both 4G and 5G.

If 4G test using local destination while 5G on other locations how is that fair? Are you trying to say that if 4G speed using local server is slow, the international is much slower as well?

Also why do I need to wait 2 years to make it fair when the comparison is about Malaysia "competitive" vs "monopoly" network.

Malaysia "competitive" 4G network until now still can't reach the top 10 speed of the fastest 4G network in the world. But DNB 5G "monopoly" has already in the top 5 of the fastest 5G speed in the world.


https://www.lowyat.net/2022/266106/malaysia...load-speed-sea/

If 5G is only good on paper, what is your explanation for Malaysia "good" 4G network? This article is literally in 2022 which mean 5G already release yet where is the "competitions" benefits of 4G networks other than bringing shame to Malaysia?

Maxis mulling U Mobile buyout, Bloomberg reports

(July 16): Maxis Bhd (KL:MAXIS), a Malaysian telecommunications firm controlled by billionaire T Ananda Krishnan, is considering buying out U Mobile Sdn Bhd to help it expand in the Asian country, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

Kuala Lumpur-listed Maxis has expressed interest in U Mobile and talks are at an early stage, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing private information.

Malaysian businessman Tan Sri Vincent Tan Chee Yioun and Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd-backed Singapore Technologies Telemedia Pte Ltd are among U Mobile’s major shareholders.

Pricing could be a hurdle to a potential buyout, with U Mobile’s owners seeking a valuation of more than RM10 billion, according to the people. There’s no guarantee that a deal will be reached, they said.

In a message to Bloomberg News on Monday, Tan said U Mobile was rejecting the buyout offer and planning to file for an initial public offering (IPO) at the end of July. U Mobile has been considering an IPO since 2021.

“We are rejecting Maxis' offer,” Tan wrote in response to a query from Bloomberg. “We are submitting for an IPO at the end of this month.”

A representative for U Mobile said the company wouldn’t comment on market speculation. “We are very focused on delivering more innovative 5G products and services to our customers, and doing the prep work required to respond to the Applicant Information Package issued by Malaysia’s government to participate in the tender for building the nation’s second 5G network,” she said.

Representatives for Maxis and ST Telemedia declined to comment.

Founded in 2006, U Mobile is Malaysia’s youngest telecom company, according to its website. It has more than 4,000 4G websites and a network ready for 5G, the website shows. It also offers services including fintech and digital payments. Last month, it signed an agreement for an undisclosed equity stake in state-owned Digital Nasional Bhd, which is building 5G infrastructure in the country.

Maxis shares have fallen 9.4% this year, giving it a market value of RM27.3 billion. The company has over 13 million customers and a fibre network of more than 22,000km, according to its annual report.

4G wasn't the best is m'sia.
but if the roll out is like current 5G, i would argued that it would hav be worst.
but this is something we will nvr find out.

u dont need a genius to know that competition always drives progress.
& that is the number 1 thing that is lacking wit DNB single wholesale rollout. there're just aren't any competition at all.
ask yourself this, in your years of experience in terms of work, society, as consumer, hav u ever seen good things comes out of no competition?

There are M&As in this industry.... like Celcom and Digi, Thai True and DTAC, UK Virgin and Three (not approved yet) etc.

With so much CAPEX spent on 5G yet APRU not improving, consolidation may seem an option.

also, NSA 5G is just a quick & "cheat" way to deploy 5G & expand coverage.
somewhere down the road, u'll still need to deploy true SA 5G.
& we're heading to the right direction now.
wit 2d 5G network, telco will duke it out to deploy SA 5G in densely populated cities, while current NSA 5G for wider coverage to rural area.

Instead of acquiring one to one brand why not Telco can't joint hands with MCMC to deploy MOCN too all their customers. You get profit by sharing infra to others Telco also getting satisfying network to consumers..

You argue that we will never found out yet the data from Opensignal already show you the answer.

You said if 4G is SWN, it will be worse, but again, where is the data that said Malaysia has one of the fast 4G network in the world?

Yet the worse 5G "monopoly" easily in the top 5 of 5G speed global ranking.
But the "competitions" you said mean the killing of small telco networks while keeping the duopoly which doesn't improve our experience or improve the price of the 4G plan itself.

Even @tropik is aware of this problem, cellular infrastructure is not like the typical product in supermarket where the more option is better. The network need to be activated at all times and if there is no customer, no MNOs will survive to maintain it.

With CelcomDigi already merging and with rumors of Maxis - Umobile merging, do you think the theory of "competitions" work in cellular industry? The merging doesn't stop in Malaysia, it is happening around the world.

Telco is struggling to maintain the network and the "competitions" you been talking about will be gone sooner or later eventually. Malaysia goverment is literally being proactive by helping telco survive because the telco themselves will be bleeding money to death just trying to invest in 5G infrastructure. This is not even my word, but from the expert itself.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/malays...-berhad-4271661

If you think private telco duopoly is good enough for "competitions", you can ask Thailand people themselves.

https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/economy/40036133
5G NSA (Option 3x) is chosen also because eMBB is what the majority of of the consumer gonna get. The 5G core which is cloud dependent solution is also still a new concept in cellular infrastructure and not matured yet.
While URLCC and mMTC still has unknown real world usage and no MNO in the world know how to take advantages of it.

Telco will "duke" out 5G yet 4G fail the rural people so much that goverment literally need to create JENDELA just to push telco for coverage? What about the congestion? 4G has been in the decade yet call problem and congestion still happening. Is this the result of "competition"?

Probably from the telcos point of view, it is one way to kill off their rival. If Telco A dominate in certain area, then ppl who frequent that place will have no choice but to subscribe to them. If All the telcos have the same coverage, only thing they can do is see who can throw price. It benefits the consumer but not the telcos.
Same thing happen to our national HSBB infra, whereby if you want to subscribe other fibre provider riding on HSBB, there is always the excuse of no port. But if you subscribe to the main fibre provider, suddently from no port someone will come and add additional port for you.

I support another merger, be it Maxis-Umobile or Umobile-Unifi or Yes-whatever. After merger we still have Tm and a few more telcos, perhaps one of the MVNO can finally come out to be MNO.

Understand. I'm more happy if less MNO but better service coverage and value for money hope another merger soon.

Probably from the telcos point of view, it is one way to kill off their rival. If Telco A dominate in certain area, then ppl who frequent that place will have no choice but to subscribe to them. If All the telcos have the same coverage, only thing they can do is see who can throw price. It benefits the consumer but not the telcos.
Same thing happen to our national HSBB infra, whereby if you want to subscribe other fibre provider riding on HSBB, there is always the excuse of no port. But if you subscribe to the main fibre provider, suddently from no port someone will come and add additional port for you.

I support another merger, be it Maxis-Umobile or Umobile-Unifi or Yes-whatever. After merger we still have Tm and a few more telcos, perhaps one of the MVNO can finally come out to be MNO.

Lot of access to MCMC documents eh.... so is it true the 2nd network requirement is to have 80% population coverage in 9 months time?

Hmm, I thought the NSA/SA thing has nothing to do with RAN but more with the telco core? DNB just divert the traffic back to each telco core, they do not connect end users with the internet.

If I remember correctly, this year new SA deployment is zero so far, on a global scale. Very depressing...

4G wasn't the best is m'sia.
but if the roll out is like current 5G, i would argued that it would hav be worst.
but this is something we will nvr find out.

u dont need a genius to know that competition always drives progress.
& that is the number 1 thing that is lacking wit DNB single wholesale rollout. there're just aren't any competition at all.
ask yourself this, in your years of experience in terms of work, society, as consumer, hav u ever seen good things comes out of no competition?

also, NSA 5G is just a quick & "cheat" way to deploy 5G & expand coverage.
somewhere down the road, u'll still need to deploy true SA 5G.
& we're heading to the right direction now.
wit 2d 5G network, telco will duke it out to deploy SA 5G in densely populated cities, while current NSA 5G for wider coverage to rural area.

Having affordable price is wrong now?

All that extra money will go towards the shareholder. The MNOs couldn't care less about improving their services.

4G is the worst in the world ok..... Malaysia Gov assign 10mhz to 8 telco which is terrible...
4G standard is 20mhz but with 10mhz, all users stuck with the 10mhz and the speed cannot be increased...
same goes to fiber, if the speed is 100gbps for ur house only, ur traffic wont occupy whole the backbone to internet, which finish your download within 1s...
but if ur fiber is 100kbps, then u need to occupy the backbone for hours to finish ur task.

Now u c, after celcomdigi merged, although the spectrum is not consolidated (user either only served by digi spectrum OR celcom spectrum), but both users can freely utilize both spectrum for those site been consolidated, so the speed is normally over 300mbps.

But maybe license issue, celcomdigi not allow CA between digi and celcom spectrum... else 600mbps 4G easily archieved.

TLDR;
the more gohmen intervention, the crappier the service.
just like DNB.