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 DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?

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post Jul 1 2024, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jun 30 2024, 11:53 PM)
But then is 1G journey to 4G is the same like 4G to 5G?

1G to 2G is created because of "past" encryption issue, not because of "future" usage.

2G to 3G happen because the need internet that is being used on desktop at that current time which is also a "past" issue not *future" usage.

3G to 4G happens because 3G doesn't provide enough speed which is also a "past" issue.

1G till 4G has been proven to be created to solve issue that actually exist and needed an upgrade. So I'm not sure where you get the sentiment that cellular technology is created to be over engineered as possible when the upgrade is actually needed at that current time.

Source: The 5G Myth: When Vision Decoupled from Reality by William Webb

Running cellular network is not like a startup. MNOs have to buy spectrum, have to put basetation. If the resources is not being used, the MNOs is pretty much bleeding money which is why you see nowadays, MNOs all around the world is merging because the cost of of running cellular network is expensive.

Which is why DNB is taking that burden off from the MNOs so MNOs can only focus on actually using that "over engineered" technology instead of wasting precious spectrum just because they can.
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i'm talking about the roll out model of 1G to 5G.
u comparing the usage/use case of 1G to 5G.

1G to 5G roll out also got mixture of government intervention vs telco owned.
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post Jul 16 2024, 08:04 PM

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[quote=OfficiallyAhmad,Jul 16 2024, 07:38 PM]
Ironically, I already highlight the potential "merging" situation in Malaysia telco industry on previous post.
But in reality, telco themselves already being push by the society to push down the prices, what DNB do is giving these MNOs breathing space to continue exist because what gonna happen otherwise is something that already happen before, which is the merging of the MNOs company.[/quote]
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u know why the original merger between digi & celcom took place?
bcoz experts agree that too many saturated telecom providers in m'sia.
in contrast, USA being a big country by area, with 10x the population of m'sia also has like 3 real bug players only.
now look at smaller country Singapore, technically only 2 real big players, hence the competition is there.
m'sia size & population, ideally u'll want 2-3 big players for competition


DNB, while sounds good & fair on paper, but it totally eliminate any 5G competition whatsoever.
every1 gets the same coverage, the same speed.
we need a 2nd 5G network where telecom players has more control, hence driving competition & innovation.
i'm waiting to see which telco will introduce true SA 5G first.
current DNB NSA 5G is nvr true 5G & always just a stop gap solution.
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post Jul 16 2024, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 16 2024, 08:12 PM)
But the same thing also sound good on paper for the telco "competitions" I even show the data not hearsay about how slow Malaysia 4G is in context of others 4G speed on other country.

Can you tell me what innovation that telco do in 4G days other than coverage? Like that is the only "innovation" the telco can think of and then rip Malaysian money off because they have better coverage while the Malaysian until now still have broken congested 4G services 10 years later?

Im a person of facts and the facts is DNB has proven their worthy in only just 3 years.

What data should I see or believe that Malaysia telco is competent in the" competitions"? Because like I said before, I literally can find cheaper 5G plan with unlimited speed and FUP than 4G.
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u can literally tell the different telco 4G coverage & speed.
telco also introduce 4G+, & various bands biding that pushes 4G speed more than 100+ Mbps.
when 4G was first launched, it was like 20-40 real world speedtest.
at the same time, cost per gigabite of 4G also reduced a lot compared to when first launched.

if u stick wit DNB only, most likely u:ll use the same tech, get the same speed (if not slower when it's congested) throughout the DNB contract period.
price also same cuz the agreement fixed the ceiling price per gigabit for the duration of contract.
we'll nvr get to experience true 5G tech wit DNB.

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post Jul 16 2024, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Jul 16 2024, 08:17 PM)
Suppose the buyout of Umobile happen, we still have TM and Yes, which is still a good competition for Malaysia. But come to think of the current situation, what can justify Maxis spending over 10 billion to buy out this Uncle Vincent's company?
Same coverage and same speed illiminate the headache of getting multiple line if one is to travel a lot. Unless there is a mandate for roaming across all 4g/5g regardless who own it.
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umobile used to ride on maxis infra in early days.
nowadays umobile has built their own infra, but i'm not sure if still partly ride on maxis infra, i suspect they do.

fyi, nowadays umobile also has partnership wit TIME.
so by buying umobile, we might even see maxis leverage on TIME infra.
as for umobile board, no board members will turn away free money.

if such accusation does happen, it will take many years & lobbying with the lawmakers.
most importantly is need to get the go ahead from government.
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post Jul 16 2024, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 16 2024, 09:52 PM)
To make it a bit fair, I will show the data of 3 years after 4G rollout in Malaysia.

After 3 years of 4G existence in Malaysia, the median speed is only 7.93 Mbps. The lowest median speed in the top 10 ranking for 4G is Sweeden 19.89Mbps.

https://www.opensignal.com/reports/2016/08/...-mobile-network

While DNB in just 2 years manage to bring Malaysia to the top of the world.
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u wan fair, u should compare the median speed 2 years after the 2nd 5G network roll out vs DNB after 2 years.

our 5G now looks good on paper, speedtest fast on local server.
go international server, sometimes slower than 4G.
current 5G is only good enough for sequential download.

that's y we need true 5G.
DG 5G median speed is slower than MY.
but if u actually go there to experience Singtel 5G for example, i guarantee the experience is more pleasant than any telco in MY.
probably cuz better latency with NSA.
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post Jul 16 2024, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 16 2024, 10:11 PM)
You said 5G only good on paper but isn't the article from Opensignal I shown also used the same destination for both 4G and 5G.

If 4G test using local destination while 5G on other locations how is that fair? Are you trying to say that if 4G speed using local server is slow, the international is much slower as well?

Also why do I need to wait 2 years to make it fair when the comparison is about Malaysia "competitive" vs "monopoly" network.

Malaysia "competitive" 4G network until now still can't reach the top 10 speed of the fastest 4G network in the world. But DNB 5G "monopoly" has already in the top 5 of the fastest 5G speed in the world.

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https://www.lowyat.net/2022/266106/malaysia...load-speed-sea/

If 5G is only good on paper, what is your explanation for Malaysia "good" 4G network? This article is literally in 2022 which mean 5G already release yet where is the "competitions" benefits of 4G networks other than bringing shame to Malaysia?
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4G wasn't the best is m'sia.
but if the roll out is like current 5G, i would argued that it would hav be worst.
but this is something we will nvr find out.

u dont need a genius to know that competition always drives progress.
& that is the number 1 thing that is lacking wit DNB single wholesale rollout. there're just aren't any competition at all.
ask yourself this, in your years of experience in terms of work, society, as consumer, hav u ever seen good things comes out of no competition?

also, NSA 5G is just a quick & "cheat" way to deploy 5G & expand coverage.
somewhere down the road, u'll still need to deploy true SA 5G.
& we're heading to the right direction now.
wit 2d 5G network, telco will duke it out to deploy SA 5G in densely populated cities, while current NSA 5G for wider coverage to rural area.

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post Jul 20 2024, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(prosibu @ Jul 19 2024, 08:25 PM)
4G is the worst in the world ok..... Malaysia Gov assign 10mhz to 8 telco which is terrible...
4G standard is 20mhz but with 10mhz, all users stuck with the 10mhz and the speed cannot be increased...
same goes to fiber, if the speed is 100gbps for ur house only, ur traffic wont occupy whole the backbone to internet, which finish your download within 1s...
but if ur fiber is 100kbps, then u need to occupy the backbone for hours to finish ur task.

Now u c, after celcomdigi merged, although the spectrum is not consolidated (user either only served by digi spectrum OR celcom spectrum), but both users can freely utilize both spectrum for those site been consolidated, so the speed is normally over 300mbps.

But maybe license issue, celcomdigi not allow CA between digi and celcom spectrum... else 600mbps 4G easily archieved.
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TLDR;
the more gohmen intervention, the crappier the service.
just like DNB.
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post Jul 20 2024, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 20 2024, 11:59 AM)
Goverment intervention so bad that only in Malaysia:

The minister give answer behalf of the MNOs.

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https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...lidation/114337

Goverment need to to JENDELA just to improve MNOs coverage:
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https://myjendela.my/en-GB/FAQ-and-Glossary...Control%20Order.

Maybe you are right, goverment doesn't need to do anything. Let just the MNOs do their thing. Who give a damm about 10% of the population doesn't get any coverage. Only the MNOs care about people, goverment only just block the MNOs from profits helping the people.
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i take it as u hav not been through corporate merger.
the process of merging is very unstable & rough to begin wit.
takes few years to stabilize the whole company.
then when stabilize, they will start to reduce headcount of those duplicate jobs.
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post Jul 20 2024, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Jul 20 2024, 02:02 PM)
CelcomDigi CEO cannot explain that process himself? Why does the minister speak on behalf of the MNOs? Does he work for the rakyat or MNOs?
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hahaahahaha
u think the upper management level really knows exactly what's going?
company will always tell u everything is fine even if it's on fire.
that's due to 2 reason:

1) the main purpose is to protect company stock value. if u com out & say something is bad, stock sure laosai.

2) oftentimes, upper management doesn't really knows the issue down bellow & thinks everything is doing smooth.
that bcoz partly fault of middle management, which u can say part of their job is feed good news to upper management, makes them feel good.

 

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