But then if the issue is cost with the service. Why the MNOs doesn't have any problem with TM HSSB, why the MNOs doesn't complain about TM being monopoly? For fibre, literally every MNOs have the same fibre price yet with DNB, suddenly a massive gap of price shown between MNOs?

If the issue is the cost of 3rd party. Why decades later, our 4G "Unlimited" plan still stuck on 6Mbps when using their own 4G network infrastructure, because even in the land of capitalism, I still can see unlimited plan.

Yet Malaysia competitive network only brings Malaysia RM60-200 of limited FUP plan?

So who is getting the benefits? The customer or the shareholder because either way, I don't see the part of Malaysian people getting the benefits of better plan pricing.
https://www.bestphoneplans.net/plans/verizo...imited-ultimate



If MOCN is the problem, why the MNOs doesn't have problem doing MOCN with each other? Suddenly with DNB they have problems? With MOCN, the MNOs will have "ports" problem like you said right?

I agree with you with this.

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Jul 20 2024, 10:36 PM

i take it as u hav not been through corporate merger.
the process of merging is very unstable & rough to begin wit.
takes few years to stabilize the whole company.
then when stabilize, they will start to reduce headcount of those duplicate jobs.

CelcomDigi CEO cannot explain that process himself? Why does the minister speak on behalf of the MNOs? Does he work for the rakyat or MNOs?

hahaahahaha
u think the upper management level really knows exactly what's going?
company will always tell u everything is fine even if it's on fire.
that's due to 2 reason:

1) the main purpose is to protect company stock value. if u com out & say something is bad, stock sure laosai.

2) oftentimes, upper management doesn't really knows the issue down bellow & thinks everything is doing smooth.
that bcoz partly fault of middle management, which u can say part of their job is feed good news to upper management, makes them feel good.

Goverment intervention is only good when it's benefits the MNOs, but if it's doesn't, suddenly it's bad?

Where did Fahmi get the info from if it's not from the CEO of CelcomDigi instead?

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Jul 20 2024, 10:34 PM

celcom digi maxis TM are friendly long time ago
celcom axiata itself is TM demerger. ex ceo chairman from tm
During 3G era celcom digi maxis TM start sharing each others tower
tower fiber backhaul by TM. Not to be confused with TM fiber HSSB
then celcom digi maxis sharing fiber backhaul

the first peninsular MOCN tower is bukit selambau. this news become viral
Then JENDELA MOCN tower. mostly celcom-digi-maxis. Umobile for whatever reason not joint MOCN club

sarawak MOCN is another story
“Ada tower, tak ada kuali” problem in rural, remote areas in Sarawak
Built tower but no telco using the tower. Kuali refer to satelite or microwave backhaul
https://dayakdaily.com/ada-tower-tak-ada-ku...eas-in-sarawak/


RM116 mln to power 600 Sarawak telco towers with world’s first 6-way network technology
six-way MOCN technology, facilitating connectivity services from CelcomDigi, Maxis, U Mobile, YTL, and Sarawak Rural Broadband Network (MySRBN), is touted as the world’s first implementation of its kind.

a separate memorandum of understanding (MoU) for Domestic Roaming (DR) for SMART600 was inked between Maxis and TM Technology Services Sdn Bhd, aiming to provide TM customers with cellular services at all SMART600 sites,
https://dayakdaily.com/rm116-mln-to-power-6...ork-technology/

Sarawak's case is they build those tower, but not any telcos willing to provide service in rural area. MOCN has to be the way otherwise it's going to be even more costly to provide services. Idk if those tower that build by the state government is 5g ready, mostly only for 4g.

Ironically even Thailand people struggle with 5G duopoly. People just need to realize that 5G investment is not the same like 4G. It is more extreme and all the merger happening doesn't benefits the customers at all unless you are the CEO of the company itself.

Either way, I'm still gonna hold some of the people here voices that said that with DWN, we will get "cheaper" AND "better" performance 5G than DNB. If later what happen is otherwise, I hope you have a response ready.


https://x.com/kln_nurv/status/1816731043367706916

Before MOCN, domestic roaming come first..which is umobile 2g as um dun hv 2g spectrum... UM pay a huge amount to the MNO even until today (celcom). But it is way depending on celcom for every issue happen.

Then 3G MOCN kick in... What they call RAN Share... Have MORAN and MOCN... Also.. UM is the first one in malaysia for MOCN with maxis... And stop after um tower is enough and also 3g sunset...

Before 3g sunset, there are MORAN and MOCN initiated by gov with is T3... which deployed at rural area.. without UM.

During jendela kicked in, gov forced all telco to join with MOCN from all telco... Some PO given to every telco... Eg... UM given 50 sites and all hardware prepared by UM but all other share the hardware. Backbone just back to each telco data centre.


Say so much.... All these thing before DNB... There are at least 1 MNO is receiving money.....but when DNB 5G MOCN kick in... Every telco must pay to DNB.... Who happy for this hor... Lolx

Now thr is rumors that hundreds on 5g sites are congested... DNB want to enable another spectrum to release the congestion but rejected by MNO... As they claimed it is for 2nd entity...i feel like what the duck... 2nd entity using 3500mhz? Start from 0 instead of refarm LTE spectrum? Then i rather single 5G network d...it shud be one click upgrade to all in building booster as all MNO claimed that they are ready to build 5g network but not just using another spectrum....how many years we need to wait for 5g coverage in mall and airport if those MNO play like this?

Currently most of the huge mall still using 1T1R antenna for inbuilding coverage and not willing to upgrade for bettwr technology... This caused the 4g speed always at 70to100mbps...who to blame for this but just wait for 3500mhz indoor ?

Agree with u.. no benefit at all for 2nd entity... Price wont be cheaper while user have to check which entity has 5g for their daily life area... Too much hassle... both entity might be increased price as traffic are splitted to two network...

This post has been edited by prosibu: Jul 27 2024, 01:32 PM

If duopoly is not good neither is monopoly good. Just look at Astro, cannot compete with other pay tv because they lack innovation due to monopoly.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ternet-veteran/


He also highlighted that RM900 million might be written off due to unused equipment designated for the current frequency, which would now be allocated to the second network.
Mohamed stressed the importance of ensuring fair competition at all levels for the benefit of end-users and service providers, as this would ultimately improve the quality of services and lower prices.

<b>However, if a second operator is established, Mohamed said it should share existing and new passive infrastructure with DNB to reduce costs and expand coverage.</b>
This part is true, gov through MCMC should regulate this. But as for what KJ have said about the write off equipment, it can still be planned ahead to prevent or minimise wastage. No one in the previous government would agree with second network, this issue will keep being politicise by politician.

But isn't that because Astro control the whole "ecosystem"?

I don't think DNB is competing with telco like how TM provide HSSB, DNB literally provide the services and it's up to the MNOs on how they want to innovate in the technology.

Umobile and Yes has proven that they can offer affordable 5G pricing using the same services that all Malaysia MNOs use. So why Malaysian doesn't switch network and instead being loyal to one MNO and then complain why the MNO doesn't care about their complain?

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Jul 28 2024, 01:49 PM

Malaysian doesn't switch network because they are smart. Just look at our 5g indoor coverage. If you switch and there is no Umobile/Yes 4g, you cannot even make and receive calls.
If you stay in Klang/KL then it make sense to use Yes.

At least u mobile can fall back into 2g because of roaming agreement with celcom. And if for postpaid u mobile seems more attractive for heavy users.

Yes is worse than even u mobile. Not even in some parts of KV where 4g lines become worse indoors

Second network will make 5G more expensive, says economist

PETALING JAYA: Setting up a second 5G network will increase capital expenditure due to redundant infrastructure, says an economist.

Goh Lim Thye of Universiti Malaya estimated that setting up the network would cost billions which would ultimately be borne by consumers.

“Estimates suggest that deploying a nationwide 5G network can cost between RM7-10 billion. For example, Telekom Malaysia ™ reported that its 5G rollout plan would cost around RM7.5 billion.

Duplicating this investment is likely to result in higher cumulative costs, straining the financial resources of companies involved and potentially leading to increased prices for consumers as these costs are passed on, he said.

Internet veteran Mohamed Awang Lah suggested an infrastructure-sharing arrangement to avoid redundancy and increased costs for consumers.

Mohamed said if the government proceeds with the dual network model, the second network should cover the remaining 20% not covered by DNB.

"If you want the phone companies to build their own infrastructure, you double the infrastructure costs unnecessarily, said Mohamed, former chief executive of Jaring, Malaysia’s first internet provider.

Share the infrastructure. The second operator should have access to the first operator’s infrastructure. Whether it is rural or urban, it doesn’t matter. When the infrastructure is built in the rural areas both parties can share the infrastructure, he told FMT.

Consumer advocate T Saravanan of the Federation of Malaysian Consumers Associations called for a strategic pause in the 5G rollout to reassess financial implications and reduce redundancies.

He said the pause would ensure that infrastructure investments are aligned with national interests and economic stability.

It facilitates better coordination between different stakeholders, including the government, network providers, and consumer groups, ensuring that the rollout meets the needs of all consumers equitably, he said.

The federal government has begun moves for a second 5G network operated by private telecommunications companies after having set up government-owned Digital Nasional Bhd in 2021 as the wholesaler of 5G services.

After complaints that DNB’s monopoly would stifle competition, the government agreed to allow a second network by the phone companies, after DNB achieves 80% coverage. The government also agreed to sell 70% of its stake in DNB to the mobile network operators.

Communications minister Fahmi Fadzil said the new entity would aim to reach 80% coverage within about two years.

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Jul 29 2024, 11:50 AM

Based on this response, Umobile seems to have the best balance between coverage and affordability, so what is Malaysian problem in not switching?

What is the point of having the biggest coverage when it is useless when we needed them the most?

Also, isn't it ironic that MNOs can subscribe to CelcomDigi 2G network as MOCN yet there is no problem? I thought CelcomDigi monopolize the 2G must be bad in theory right yet it seems a couple decades later, the MNOs seems fine?

What makes CelcomDigi 2G MOCN difference from DNB 5G MOCN?

I mean, during earlier 2G and 4G implementation, I'm sure the indoor coverage is bad as well but that is because it still new, decades later, 5G will follow suit as well like how 3G and 4G have deep coverage indoor inside currently.

This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: Jul 29 2024, 12:10 PM

malaysian may be sticking to certain telco because:
1. they always on the move, coverage is no1 priority
2. on contract due to device bundles available
3. company may help pay them as part of allowance
4. some telco may bundle with fiber broadband make it more attractive in overall

u mobile being smaller player, have its own niche. nothing wrong but above consideration may be the reason people stay on celcomdigi/maxis

502158 is 2G domestic roaming
celcomdigi maxis have their own 2G but always roaming to this network

Umobile 4G have limited base station compare with celcomdigi-maxis
have u using umobile ?

yes using bistarinet school tower. no one dare to touch this company



This post has been edited by JLA: Jul 29 2024, 02:38 PM

MCMC to ensure 5G second network price remains - Gobind
BERNAMA


KUALA LUMPUR: The government, via the Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC), will ensure that the price of 5G under the second network remains at the existing rate, said Digital Minister Gobind Singh Deo.

He said the price aspect was taken into account during the evaluation process.

“MCMC is concerned about this issue and has taken steps to ensure that the price remains when the second network is established. The process is still ongoing,“ he told the media after signing a cooperation agreement between Digital Nasional Bhd (DNB) and CyberSecurity Malaysia (CSM) to improve the country’s 5G network security here today.

The cooperation involves the development of 5G security guidelines that will be used as the basic guiding principles for the industry and future 5G security foundations.

“The 5G network is one of Malaysia’s critical national information sectors, impacting national defence, economic stability, governmental functions and social routines.

“Increasingly, digital advancements come with significant challenges, particularly in the realm of cybersecurity. Therefore, it must be looked at as a shared responsibility,“ the minister said in his speech.

At the same time, DNB and CSM will also establish a national 5G cyber security test centre to serve as a platform for industry players to identify vulnerabilities, ensure compliance with standards and track security measures.

Gobind also welcomed related industry players to establish cooperation to strengthen the country’s cyber security landscape.

Following the recent global information technology (IT) outage, he said the companies involved, be it Microsoft or CrowdStrike, need to guarantee that an audit will be conducted to ensure affected systems are safe.

“They need to ensure that such disruptions do not recur. If there are weaknesses, they have to be dealt with immediately.

“I have already informed the parties and we are in the process of getting a report. A media conference will be held thereafter,“ he said.

Gobind said he will shed further light on the issue and the measures needed to ensure that such disruptions do not recur.


https://thesun.my/local-news/mcmc-to-ensure...bind-AM12788585