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 DNB and 2nd 5G network: needed or not?

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shaun_kok
post Nov 6 2025, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 6 2025, 12:09 AM)
SA won't fix congestion unfortunately.
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I have to agree with this - to solve congestion, you either add more masts (which is very expensive, and some may oppose the addition of masts), use additional bands (which isn't possible or feasible at this junction yet), or telcos can choose to offload some capacity to fibre/landline broadband by aggressively bundling with fibre plans (which isn't affordable yet).

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DNB built about 8000 sites, even CelcomDigi alone has about 18000 sites; Maxis and U Mobile each has about 10000 sites respectively, Yes probably around 6000 sites? Unifi no idea, benefits of doubt, 7000 sites.

There are roughly 50000 4G sites deployed by local telco nationwide, with average spectrum bandwidth slightly more than DNB 5G capacity.

DNB needs to build at least double or triple of current site number just to catch up. So you know Malaysia 5G is gone for good. Thank you Muhyiddin...
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Nov 6 2025, 08:03 AM)
DNB built about 8000 sites, even CelcomDigi alone has about 18000 sites; Maxis and U Mobile each has about 10000 sites respectively, Yes probably around 6000 sites? Unifi no idea, benefits of doubt, 7000 sites.

There are roughly 50000 4G sites deployed by local telco nationwide, with average spectrum bandwidth slightly more than DNB 5G capacity.

DNB needs to build at least double or triple of current site number just to catch up. So you know Malaysia 5G is gone for good. Thank you Muhyiddin...
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from day 1, the idea is to run NSA by making use of existing LTE since it is already built with so many sites. hence we get B28 anchor lor. no? SA, only selected place with good pop density in city make sense, perhaps that is all. forget about wide spread SA deployment if they don't want to run into deep red. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(jayko @ Nov 6 2025, 08:07 AM)
from day 1, the idea is to run NSA by making use of existing LTE since it is already built with so many sites. hence we get B28 anchor lor. no? SA, only selected place with good pop density in city make sense, perhaps that is all. forget about wide spread SA deployment if they don't want to run into deep red. hmm.gif
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Using Ericsson makes this impossible. Telco equipment is vendor lock. If you wanna transmit DNB signal and anchor it on your site, you are ought to replace all your current 4G RRUs from ZTE/Huawei to Ericsson. No one willing to do that.
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 5 2025, 04:00 PM)
You can try and see, if there is any router settings that can allow you to lock to N78, if you can do so, try locking to N78 first - it is known that locking to N78 will improve the performance (maybe slightly).
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So consider confirm MY only using band N78 for 5G? No other bands right?
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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 6 2025, 12:09 AM)
SA won't fix congestion unfortunately.
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The congestion (or lack of reasonable bandwidth thereof) is solely on YES part. I don't see this happening in UM Ultra 5G as I am able to get at least 200Mbps down even during peak hours in my area.
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Nov 6 2025, 08:43 AM)
Using Ericsson makes this impossible. Telco equipment is vendor lock. If you wanna transmit DNB signal and anchor it on your site, you are ought to replace all your current 4G RRUs from ZTE/Huawei to Ericsson. No one willing to do that.
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in Network Equipment, there is a 3GPP/ISO standard of communicating between devices of different vendors. if for example the 1Gbps SFP fiber port is connected to 1 end with ZTE and 1 end with Nokia, then they all have to adhere to a set of 3GPP/ISO specification of 1Gbps so that both can established handshake and start to work at 1Gbps, so this boiled down to both vendors follow strictly to the ISO spec. while ZTE and Nokia implement its 1Gbps separately. for the case of NSA compatibility is not an issue if both vendors willing to co-operate. if not, then is Not gonna works.
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Nov 6 2025, 10:17 AM)
So consider confirm MY only using band N78 for 5G? No other bands right?
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some roadmap to ponder on spectrum
just dont quote me for the truth of it. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Nov 6 2025, 08:03 AM)
DNB built about 8000 sites, even CelcomDigi alone has about 18000 sites; Maxis and U Mobile each has about 10000 sites respectively, Yes probably around 6000 sites? Unifi no idea, benefits of doubt, 7000 sites.

There are roughly 50000 4G sites deployed by local telco nationwide, with average spectrum bandwidth slightly more than DNB 5G capacity.

DNB needs to build at least double or triple of current site number just to catch up. So you know Malaysia 5G is gone for good. Thank you Muhyiddin...
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He collapse whole 5G business model just to earn money to him and and his cabinet. New govt should restructuring 5G again and allowed other telcos to run 5G too. They should understand 100000 people can't rely on 5G by one network. Congestion as bad mainly was KL during peak and weekends. Now Klang and Shah Alam 5G speed also getting clashed since users are increasing.

Someone should add current communication ministry YB Fahmi to this thread. 😬 Then he would understood how we getting frustrating with stupid DNB

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DNB2 vs DNB1. Same location.

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 6 2025, 11:12 AM)
DNB2 vs DNB1. Same location.

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Point of reference? Which telco? Device used?
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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 6 2025, 11:12 AM)
DNB2 vs DNB1. Same location.

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QUOTE(jayko @ Nov 6 2025, 10:50 AM)
in Network Equipment, there is a 3GPP/ISO standard of communicating between devices of different vendors. if for example the 1Gbps SFP fiber port is connected to 1 end with ZTE and 1 end with Nokia, then they all have to adhere to a set of 3GPP/ISO specification of 1Gbps so that both can established handshake and start to work at 1Gbps, so this boiled down to both vendors follow strictly to the ISO spec. while ZTE and Nokia implement its 1Gbps separately. for the case of NSA compatibility is not an issue if both vendors willing to co-operate. if not, then is Not gonna works.
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Reality is the "unable cooperation" at the Radio Access Network part. OpenRAN is more of a joke. So far there's no major OpenRAN deployment anywhere in the world. Most of the news are public stunt. The so called OpenRAN protocols are extremely unstable and prone to failure or bad spectral efficiency.

In a nutshell, telco could only choose one vendor for one telco site. Why is why when U Mobile upgrade its site to 5G, it needs to swap out its existing ZTE 4G equipments to Huawei 4G equipments. This is the reality of mobile network. This oligopoly makes them what they are, and no one dare to touch each other's cakes through so called OpenRAN
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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Nov 6 2025, 11:55 AM)
Reality is the "unable cooperation" at the Radio Access Network part. OpenRAN is more of a joke. So far there's no major OpenRAN deployment anywhere in the world. Most of the news are public stunt. The so called OpenRAN protocols are extremely unstable and prone to failure or bad spectral efficiency.

In a nutshell, telco could only choose one vendor for one telco site. Why is why when U Mobile upgrade its site to 5G, it needs to swap out its existing ZTE 4G equipments to Huawei 4G equipments. This is the reality of mobile network. This oligopoly makes them what they are, and no one dare to touch each other's cakes through so called OpenRAN
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the calculus behind OpenRAN is to fight HW and ZTE and other smaller China telco equipment vendors, such as Unisoc, etc. it is never gonna materialize when multiple vendors seat together and create an open standard that its sole aim is to fight HW and ZTE and alike. it is purely political move by Unker Shame.

way before OpenRAN, there is WiMAX consortium, also Unker Shame move to fight 3G standard lead by european telco vendors. same old same old. WiMAX=OpenRAN=unkershamefailpetprojectasusual. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Nov 6 2025, 11:27 AM)
Point of reference? Which telco? Device used?
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Outside Mid Valley. Pic 1: U Mobile ULTRA5G. Pic 2: Maxis

Galaxy S24.

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post Nov 7 2025, 05:36 AM

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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Nov 6 2025, 10:17 AM)
So consider confirm MY only using band N78 for 5G? No other bands right?
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As on now, only N28 (700MHz) and N78 (3500MHz) are set aside and used for 5G in Malaysia - and may remain so for a foreseeable future.

N28 is only used for 5G SA, while N78 is used for both NSA (combined with B28 LTE DSS) and SA networks.

mmWave is assigned, but not used (short range, easily blocked by hands, glass and so on).

Some American, Australian, and Japanese phone models have mmWave included, but not elsewhere - even when included, the coverage is very very low.

Other bands are "4G only bands" for now, despite it is used for 5G in other countries.

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mmWave will not be mainstream in 5G era, it will be the 6G task to popularize this piece of spectrum
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 7 2025, 05:36 AM)
As on now, only N28 (700MHz) and N78 (3500MHz) are set aside and used for 5G in Malaysia - and may remain so for a foreseeable future.

N28 is only used for 5G SA, while N78 is used for both NSA (combined with B28 LTE DSS) and SA networks.

mmWave is assigned, but not used (short range, easily blocked by hands, glass and so on).

Some American, Australian, and Japanese phone models have mmWave included, but not elsewhere - even when included, the coverage is very very low.

Other bands are "4G only bands" for now, despite it is used for 5G in other countries.
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My modem still shows that I'm connected to only N78, even though I've lock band to N28 + N78. I've also set the modem to run exclusively on 5G SA mode only, but speeds under YES 5G Advanced is still underwhelming IMO. The only reason for me sticking to YES till now is it's torrenting abilities. UHome 5G unfortunately block P2P packets.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...t-dnb-viability - Higher 5G fees expected to support DNB viability
- 7 Nov 2025

PETALING JAYA: Digital Nasional Bhd’s (DNB) fifth generation of mobile networks (5G) minimum commitment fees may need to rise to a still-manageable RM270mil to RM290mil per access seeker to cover cash cost in the financial year 2026 (FY26).

This comes amid ongoing efforts to steer DNB towards financial sustainability following a challenging FY24, which saw the company report a substantial net loss of RM1.21bil (partly due to low revenue recognition) and net cash outflow of RM799mil (despite modest capital expenditure). ...


= will Maxis, CD, YES and U Mobile increase prices for new 4G/5G phone plans.?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 7 2025, 11:45 AM)
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Fyi, .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...t-dnb-viability  - Higher 5G fees expected to support DNB viability
- 7 Nov 2025

PETALING JAYA: Digital Nasional Bhd’s (DNB) fifth generation of mobile networks (5G) minimum commitment fees may need to rise to a still-manageable RM270mil to RM290mil per access seeker to cover cash cost in the financial year 2026 (FY26).

This comes amid ongoing efforts to steer DNB towards financial sustainability following a challenging FY24, which saw the company report a substantial net loss of RM1.21bil (partly due to low revenue recognition) and net cash outflow of RM799mil (despite modest capital expenditure). ...


= will Maxis, CD, YES and U Mobile increase prices for new 4G/5G phone plans.?
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Also i heard MoF looking to exit DNB if they quit hard times for Maxis Celcomdigi Yes as they have to buy


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