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jayko
post Nov 2 2025, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 2 2025, 02:22 AM)
is this the legendary beam forming antenna? u mobile 5G access ZTE sapu E.M, W.M HW sapu. tongue.gif
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post Nov 2 2025, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 29 2025, 11:55 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5544616

Based on this topic...

Under article 5.2 Equipment & Platform Security...

Huawei, ZTE or others Chinese equipment vendors & supplier of 4G, 5G or even 6G  might get axed or being reviewed.....

So deployment of 5G by U Mobile could be affected???

Existing Telco equipment vendors & supplier need to be changed too??
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deal already signed, unker shame gonna pay full penalty for UM? rclxub.gif
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post Nov 2 2025, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 2 2025, 07:50 PM)
Not sure about it....

Maybe got loopholes to consider???

The deal signed with USA is quite vague....
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unker shame is ball-less but barking like mad dog, you see europe also force them to ditch HW & ZTE, but don't compensate european at all, so Europe keep on using HW and ZTE, because replace with nokia or ericcson gonna cost them ten of billions of euro, who gonna pay for it? lol biggrin.gif
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post Nov 3 2025, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 3 2025, 10:27 AM)
I was living in Canada for a good number years and they also had to rip out and replace any Huawei and ZTE gear they might have.

Funny thing is, the last place I lived, when they were installing my internet, the tech mistakenly brought a Nokia/Alcatel transceiver instead of a, get this, a Huawei one.  biggrin.gif
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Canada at it one time got it own telco equipment called Nortel, but thanks to the management that prioritize stock price over R&D, the end fate is not hard to predict. i know bell and telus are big players. my guess is smaller players tend to use Huawei & ZTE as they don't have the big barjet like their big player counterparts, as they are serving rural area where less revenue can be generated. as in the case of USA. Federal Government have to subsidize the replacement cost, which is cut the nose to spike the face. Which ever that float the boat of these unhinged governments.
Transceiver? that mean you are on FTTH? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 3 2025, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 3 2025, 11:01 AM)
Yep, FTTH and it was Bell.
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cool, fiber is good, but only available in city with high rise apartment. the cost of running fiber on landed homes is unimaginable. lol hmm.gif that is why in EM, always suggest to get FWA, if the 5G speed is good, I tested UM in EM, speed is faster than unifi yet the price is cheaper somemore with unlimited internet. laugh.gif
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post Nov 5 2025, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 5 2025, 11:30 AM)
Yes SA is DNB right?
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if not DNB who else then? DNB2 just started this year, so very few area got served under DNB2. for now you can assume cheap plan aka prepaid are using NSA. SA is full fledged 5G, only high price postpaid will get SA. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 6 2025, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Nov 6 2025, 08:03 AM)
DNB built about 8000 sites, even CelcomDigi alone has about 18000 sites; Maxis and U Mobile each has about 10000 sites respectively, Yes probably around 6000 sites? Unifi no idea, benefits of doubt, 7000 sites.

There are roughly 50000 4G sites deployed by local telco nationwide, with average spectrum bandwidth slightly more than DNB 5G capacity.

DNB needs to build at least double or triple of current site number just to catch up. So you know Malaysia 5G is gone for good. Thank you Muhyiddin...
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from day 1, the idea is to run NSA by making use of existing LTE since it is already built with so many sites. hence we get B28 anchor lor. no? SA, only selected place with good pop density in city make sense, perhaps that is all. forget about wide spread SA deployment if they don't want to run into deep red. hmm.gif

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post Nov 6 2025, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Nov 6 2025, 08:43 AM)
Using Ericsson makes this impossible. Telco equipment is vendor lock. If you wanna transmit DNB signal and anchor it on your site, you are ought to replace all your current 4G RRUs from ZTE/Huawei to Ericsson. No one willing to do that.
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in Network Equipment, there is a 3GPP/ISO standard of communicating between devices of different vendors. if for example the 1Gbps SFP fiber port is connected to 1 end with ZTE and 1 end with Nokia, then they all have to adhere to a set of 3GPP/ISO specification of 1Gbps so that both can established handshake and start to work at 1Gbps, so this boiled down to both vendors follow strictly to the ISO spec. while ZTE and Nokia implement its 1Gbps separately. for the case of NSA compatibility is not an issue if both vendors willing to co-operate. if not, then is Not gonna works.
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Nov 6 2025, 10:17 AM)
So consider confirm MY only using band N78 for 5G? No other bands right?
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some roadmap to ponder on spectrum
just dont quote me for the truth of it. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Epic_winner091 @ Nov 6 2025, 11:12 AM)
DNB2 vs DNB1. Same location.

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post Nov 6 2025, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(jasontanky @ Nov 6 2025, 11:55 AM)
Reality is the "unable cooperation" at the Radio Access Network part. OpenRAN is more of a joke. So far there's no major OpenRAN deployment anywhere in the world. Most of the news are public stunt. The so called OpenRAN protocols are extremely unstable and prone to failure or bad spectral efficiency.

In a nutshell, telco could only choose one vendor for one telco site. Why is why when U Mobile upgrade its site to 5G, it needs to swap out its existing ZTE 4G equipments to Huawei 4G equipments. This is the reality of mobile network. This oligopoly makes them what they are, and no one dare to touch each other's cakes through so called OpenRAN
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the calculus behind OpenRAN is to fight HW and ZTE and other smaller China telco equipment vendors, such as Unisoc, etc. it is never gonna materialize when multiple vendors seat together and create an open standard that its sole aim is to fight HW and ZTE and alike. it is purely political move by Unker Shame.

way before OpenRAN, there is WiMAX consortium, also Unker Shame move to fight 3G standard lead by european telco vendors. same old same old. WiMAX=OpenRAN=unkershamefailpetprojectasusual. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 8 2025, 11:19 AM)
CelcomDigi, Maxis and YTL set to take over MOF’s DNB stake for nearly RM1 billion

Nett loss 1B, nett debt 4B.

Seems like DNB spend money lavishly since no governance not my money anyway attitude … i see it a lot of money spent on advertising, marketing and event, paying here and there to advertise itself as best coverage best 5G but 5G quality still sucks in reality … not to mention high class office at Exchange106 high class location who paying? … now MOF finds Maxis, Celcom and YTL to cover for MOF/Zafrul and MCMC/Fahmi mistakes on DNB. TM and Umobile fortunate escapes from the trap and extortion.

What it translates to the users? If subscription fee doesnt go up means quality will drop further … there is no cheap and good in this world … so expect degradation of service quality from Maxis and CDB in coming years to cover the DNB sinkholes …
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super gg. time to jump ship to dnb2
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post Nov 17 2025, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(LiQuID2 @ Nov 11 2025, 07:28 PM)
I off 5g for 6 month already. 4g is faster than than 5g
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 8 2025, 11:19 AM)
CelcomDigi, Maxis and YTL set to take over MOF’s DNB stake for nearly RM1 billion

Nett loss 1B, nett debt 4B.

Seems like DNB spend money lavishly since no governance not my money anyway attitude … i see it a lot of money spent on advertising, marketing and event, paying here and there to advertise itself as best coverage best 5G but 5G quality still sucks in reality … not to mention high class office at Exchange106 high class location who paying? … now MOF finds Maxis, Celcom and YTL to cover for MOF/Zafrul and MCMC/Fahmi mistakes on DNB. TM and Umobile fortunate escapes from the trap and extortion.

What it translates to the users? If subscription fee doesnt go up means quality will drop further … there is no cheap and good in this world … so expect degradation of service quality from Maxis and CDB in coming years to cover the DNB sinkholes …
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that only means, MoF looking for big suckers lor.lol laugh.gif
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post Nov 18 2025, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 18 2025, 02:27 PM)
That is fact also. The Second 5G bidding is not to find who is more eligible to build 2nd 5G network but actually to find who is more eligible to take over DNB. Maxis and CDB must be showing they very qualify with good finances alot of money and experience… then Mcmc and Mof saw they are so rich then selected them as the suckers … that explains why UM that is smaller and poorer can win …
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if UM can win, highly suspect ahem ahem lar. everyone know, the big 3 is M, C, D, now CD merged, it is even bigger. so these CD, and M gonna be sucker for DNB? since MoF wanna wash hands clean clean. icon_idea.gif

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post Nov 20 2025, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 20 2025, 07:44 AM)
Yes 5G (NSA)
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Yes 5G SA
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Interestingly, 5G NSA and SA has similar speeds (tested on Galaxy A56 5G).
Plan : Yes Power 35
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by right SA should smokes NSA hands down, but here the margin is very little, you sure is SA? got verify with cellular-z ? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Sam Leong @ Nov 20 2025, 08:31 AM)
Because at the end both of them have CA
NSA B28 + N78
SA N28 + N78
The N28/B28 is DSS-ed
Both of them doesn’t make big difference in terms of speed because it’s the same spectrum
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by right, the SA should unleased the raw speed of 5G, no?

btw your speedtest result at your signature is gotten from test lab environment? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 20 2025, 12:25 PM)
I can sure the below one is 5G SA. For the NSA test I purposely changed the settings via *#2263# (available on almost all Samsung phones) - and choose NR NSA N78 + LTE B28.

If I left the settings by default, it will connect to 5G SA when the signal is available - if you have the correct plan of course.

Regardless of 5G NSA or SA, as Sam said, the underlaying bandwidth itself is the same regardless of NSA or SA (20MHz X2 on 700MHz + 100MHz on 3500MHz), so the speed difference is not going to be huge (unless there is 5G-A).
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if that is the case, I'm not sure if that is congestion of that served area or the exynos SoC chip? do you have the info how fast this phone can support the dl speed in NR SA? hmm.gif
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post Nov 21 2025, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Sam Leong @ Nov 21 2025, 07:21 AM)
SA theoretically should have better coverage and faster speed  compared to NSA because NSA runs on 4G Core Network

But here’s the thing, DNB is built on a brand new core network and then connected to telco core network
Nowadays if you noticed many telco 4G ping on a fiber-ed tower is quite low (16-18ms), means telco 4GC is actually quite good already

Thus it doesn’t really make big difference for SA vs NSA at least for DNB, the only thing I noticed is SA will provide better coverage on N28 because when in fully SA the 700MHz is running on NR, which provides beam capability and thus the network coverage is more wider.

Since all the underlaying bandwidth are the same, it shouldn’t make any huge difference like additional 200Mbps+ speed unless the telco do network slicing on the SA network which makes your device the priority one (refer to Yes 5G Network Slicing Test), where this means others user on the same network will be deprioritised as they share the same spectrum

Correct me if I’m wrong and no the signature photos is from a public area
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the 4G core network aka EPC is what ultimately decide the speedtest result. as all RAN converged to EPC and processed there. so the
RAN---Transmission---EPC, the entire bandwidth from RAN to EPC is deciding factor.

as you know, the current setup, B28 LTE anchor to 5G NSA is because reuse of LTE RAN (eNodeB) to connect to DNB core network (aka Ericcson's 5GC) this is the most economical ways of 5G implementation.

I think it will be long road before we can have 5G SA, as LTE eNodeB is still making up most of the RAN equipment with years of deployment.

Those who wanted 5G SA, the bestest way is jump on the bandwagon of UM ultra5G. single vendor, Huawei for West Msia, ZTE for E.Msia.
I don't know much about YES, UM and YES are consider smaller players, hence their own LTE deployment is not as wide and big compare to big Three. so it make sense for them to jump straight to 5G full deployment without the 4G deployment cost baggage.

the advantage of 5G SA are uMBB , mMTC , URLLC and Network slicing,
in simple term
uMBB = speed + capacity.
mMTC = connect millions of small IoT devices efficiently
URLLC = real-time + ultra-stable connection.
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post Nov 22 2025, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Nov 22 2025, 11:46 AM)
I think IoT only need 2G, cheap and it works.
I think except China, others not really adopting the so called mmtc and urllc (alot of showcase 5 yrs ago but now AI trend no one cares about 5G) … expensive, hi power consumption, overkill …
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IoT in term of factory machines, they have reduce capabilities, aka redcap under 5G. Which is 200Mbps. Good enough to get the job done. The key is very small latency for machine to machine IoT in factory. 5G normal end users is speed. Factory and Autonous driving is different things altogether.

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