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SUSlurkingaround
post Aug 24 2024, 12:30 PM

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Latest news: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ssa-termination - TM stands firm in advancing Malaysia's digital infrastructure post-SSA termination
Friday, 23 Aug 2024


= TM Unifi Mobile won't be a shareholder of DNB1 and will likely also not be a shareholder of DNB2. OTOH, TM has clout in West Malaysia because both DNBs need to buy 5G backhaul Fibre connections (to the Internet) for all their 5G cell towers and small-cells from TM HSBB Fibre Wholesale.
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post Aug 24 2024, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Aug 24 2024, 12:30 PM)
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Latest news: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ssa-termination - TM stands firm in advancing Malaysia's digital infrastructure post-SSA termination
Friday, 23 Aug 2024


= TM Unifi Mobile won't be a shareholder of DNB1 and will likely also not be a shareholder of DNB2.  OTOH, TM has clout in West Malaysia because both DNBs need to buy 5G backhaul Fibre connections (to the Internet) for all their 5G cell towers and small-cells from TM HSBB Fibre Wholesale.
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That's true. No matter what, can't run away from TM.
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post Aug 28 2024, 08:47 AM

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2022 5G era was the best. i really didnt think we needed another 5g network. fast forward to 2024 and 5G is worse than 4G in so many areas

in putrajaya, cyberjaya, malls and hospitals, ive had to manually set my phone to maxis 4g to use any data

switch back to 5g and it is unusable

worse is ioi city mall cant even make a whatsapp call on 5g lmao
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post Aug 28 2024, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Aug 24 2024, 04:14 PM)
That's true. No matter what, can't run away from TM.
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TM Net and TM Wholesale is different company with their own fiber cable

Got any news unifi fiber down, telco tower also down because of TM HSBB fiber cut ?

TM’s High Speed Broadband (HSBB) cabel cut not effected 4G 5G site
https://soyacincau.com/2021/09/06/tm-unifi-...-cable-cut-xrs/

TM fibre-optic cables for bank and gov not link to High Speed Broadband (HSBB) network either
https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...n-outage-254119

Same as TM fibre-optic cables for DUKE
https://soyacincau.com/2022/12/17/duke-spe-...allet-down-xrs/

DNB using TM Wholesale fibre cable network not TM High Speed Broadband (HSBB)
https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development
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post Aug 28 2024, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(JLA @ Aug 28 2024, 11:37 AM)
TM Net and TM Wholesale is different company with their own fiber cable

Got any news unifi fiber down, telco tower also down because of TM HSBB fiber cut ?

TM’s High Speed Broadband (HSBB) cabel cut not effected 4G 5G site
https://soyacincau.com/2021/09/06/tm-unifi-...-cable-cut-xrs/

TM fibre-optic cables for bank and gov not link to High Speed Broadband (HSBB) network either
https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...n-outage-254119

Same as TM fibre-optic cables for DUKE
https://soyacincau.com/2022/12/17/duke-spe-...allet-down-xrs/

DNB using TM Wholesale fibre cable network not  TM High Speed Broadband (HSBB)
https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development
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It's a smart move from TM.
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post Aug 28 2024, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 24 2024, 12:30 PM)
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Latest news: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ssa-termination - TM stands firm in advancing Malaysia's digital infrastructure post-SSA termination
Friday, 23 Aug 2024


= TM Unifi Mobile won't be a shareholder of DNB1 and will likely also not be a shareholder of DNB2.  OTOH, TM has clout in West Malaysia because both DNBs need to buy 5G backhaul Fibre connections (to the Internet) for all their 5G cell towers and small-cells from TM HSBB Fibre Wholesale.
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Aug 24 2024, 04:14 PM)
That's true. No matter what, can't run away from TM.
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QUOTE(JLA @ Aug 28 2024, 11:37 AM)
TM Net and TM Wholesale is different company with their own fiber cable

Got any news unifi fiber down, telco tower also down because of TM HSBB fiber cut ?

TM’s High Speed Broadband (HSBB) cabel cut not effected 4G 5G site
https://soyacincau.com/2021/09/06/tm-unifi-...-cable-cut-xrs/

TM fibre-optic cables for bank and gov not link to High Speed Broadband (HSBB) network either
https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...n-outage-254119

Same as TM fibre-optic cables for DUKE
https://soyacincau.com/2022/12/17/duke-spe-...allet-down-xrs/

DNB using TM Wholesale fibre cable network not  TM High Speed Broadband (HSBB)
https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development
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Are you sure DNB's 5G network not using TM HSBB.? .......

https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development - 16 DEC 2021
TM INKS AGREEMENT WITH DNB TO PROVIDE FIBRE CONNECTIVITY IN ACCELERATING ROLLOUT OF 5G NETWORK SERVICES NATIONWIDE

.... DNB will be able to leverage on TM’s extensive fibre and network infrastructure, and subscribe to TM’s 5G RAN-to-Edge Fronthaul and Backhaul solution for the provision of fibre connectivity, enabling DNB to provide 5G network services nationwide.

Under the agreement, TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia. ...

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https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/ - TM aims to achieve 58% fibre coverage in Sabah by 2025
BY Alexander Wong - 22 July 2022

.... This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network. ...

TM has also rolled out 59 fibre connectivity sites at schools in Sabah which serves as Points of Presence (PoP). In total, TM has deployed over 600,000km of fibre optic cables throughout Malaysia and will continue to expand in line with JENDELA ...

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Aug 28 2024, 03:24 PM)
Are you sure DNB's 5G network not using TM HSBB.? .......

https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development - 16 DEC 2021
TM INKS AGREEMENT WITH DNB TO PROVIDE FIBRE CONNECTIVITY IN ACCELERATING ROLLOUT OF 5G NETWORK SERVICES NATIONWIDE

.... DNB will be able to leverage on TM’s extensive fibre and network infrastructure, and subscribe to TM’s 5G RAN-to-Edge Fronthaul and Backhaul solution for the provision of fibre connectivity, enabling DNB to provide 5G network services nationwide.

Under the agreement, TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia. ...

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https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/ - TM aims to achieve 58% fibre coverage in Sabah by 2025
BY Alexander Wong - 22 July 2022

.... This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network. ...

TM has also rolled out 59 fibre connectivity sites at schools in Sabah which serves as Points of Presence (PoP). In total, TM has deployed over 600,000km of fibre optic cables throughout Malaysia and will continue to expand in line with JENDELA ...

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This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network.
https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/

Executive Vice President, TM Wholesale
TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia.
https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development

never said DNB are tapping on the HSBB network



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post Aug 28 2024, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 28 2024, 03:24 PM)
Are you sure DNB's 5G network not using TM HSBB.? .......

https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development - 16 DEC 2021
TM INKS AGREEMENT WITH DNB TO PROVIDE FIBRE CONNECTIVITY IN ACCELERATING ROLLOUT OF 5G NETWORK SERVICES NATIONWIDE

.... DNB will be able to leverage on TM’s extensive fibre and network infrastructure, and subscribe to TM’s 5G RAN-to-Edge Fronthaul and Backhaul solution for the provision of fibre connectivity, enabling DNB to provide 5G network services nationwide.

Under the agreement, TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia. ...

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https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/ - TM aims to achieve 58% fibre coverage in Sabah by 2025
BY Alexander Wong - 22 July 2022

.... This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network. ...

TM has also rolled out 59 fibre connectivity sites at schools in Sabah which serves as Points of Presence (PoP). In total, TM has deployed over 600,000km of fibre optic cables throughout Malaysia and will continue to expand in line with JENDELA ...

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QUOTE(JLA @ Aug 28 2024, 06:00 PM)
This would enable more Sabahans to enjoy faster broadband via Unifi and other telcos that are tapping on the HSBB network.
https://soyacincau.com/2022/07/22/tm-unifi-...-sabah-by-2025/

Executive Vice President, TM Wholesale
TM will provide DNB with 5G fibre leasing services for connectivity between DNB’s 5G mobile sites and nodes, leveraging on TM’s domestic fibre cable network spanning over 640,000 km across Malaysia.
https://www.tm.com.my/news/tm-agreement-dnb...-5g-development

never said DNB are tapping on the HSBB network
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Isn't TM's HSBB = 600,000km to 640,000km of domestic Fibre-optic cable network, which DNB's 5G mobile sites and nodes are leveraging on.?

Isn't it redundant for TM to have a separate (from HSBB) Fibre-optic cable network just to service the backhaul connections of 4G/5G mobile sites or cell towers.?
....... AFAIK, 4G/5G backhaul Fibre-optic connections are eventually connected to TM HSBB Fibre-optic cable network but using different software from that of immobile/fixed TM Unifi Fibre Home/Business plans.
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post Sep 13 2024, 06:04 AM

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Well, as the adoption of 5G is increased, 5G internet speeds has been significantly dropped on a heavily congested area (outside Paradigm Mall in JB) - until such a point that using 4G is faster. I remember last time (around the same time last year), 5G at the same area has 200Mbps speed.

5G speeds can be less than 10Mbps because of severe congestion.

More networks and/or cells are needed to reduce the network load, especially when DNB guarantees at least 100Mbps speed.

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Well, as the adoption of 5G is increased, 5G internet speeds has been significantly dropped on a heavily congested area (outside Paradigm Mall in JB) - until such a point that using 4G is faster. I remember last time (around the same time last year), 5G at the same area has 200Mbps speed.

5G speeds can be less than 10Mbps because of severe congestion.

More networks and/or cells are needed to reduce the network load, especially when DNB guarantees at least 100Mbps speed.
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DNB 5G is utilizing 700 MHz which is low capacity bandwith but with high penetration. So this must be taken into account.
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QUOTE(a2zextra @ Sep 13 2024, 08:47 AM)
DNB 5G is utilizing 700 MHz which is low capacity bandwith but with high penetration. So this must be taken into account.
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So far, there are no 5G operation at 700MHz in Malaysia - it is used as an anchor band (4G LTE 700MHz) for DNB 5G.

All 5G services in Malaysia are on N78/3.5GHz band.

Getting 10-20Mbps on 5G network can only mean severe congestion in that area. So more cells are definitely needed in that area.

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Many places especially those major city facing congestion issues....

Better to just stick to 4G... Seems it's faster & stable too 👌
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https://www.opensignal.com/2024/10/5g-globa...nce-awards-2024

During 4G days, does any Malaysia telco manage to win or receive any awards from international bodies? DNB has been winning award since they first rollout their 5G yet I still don't see any data from MNOs bootlicker about how competitive 4G has one of the fastest 4G speed in the world.

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Oct 3 2024, 05:56 PM)
https://www.opensignal.com/2024/10/5g-globa...nce-awards-2024

During 4G days, does any Malaysia telco manage to win or receive any awards from international bodies? DNB has been winning award since they first rollout their 5G yet I still don't see any data from MNOs bootlicker about how competitive 4G has one of the fastest 4G speed in the world.

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We as ordinary citizens don't care so much on what awards they get. We only want good 5g and ensure monopoly doesn't kill competition.
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Oct 3 2024, 07:36 PM)
We as ordinary citizens don't care so much on what awards they get. We only want good 5g and ensure monopoly doesn't kill competition.
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Of course ordinary people like you won't care because the data already ruined your narrative. DNB already prove in such short time to be global leader.

My questions remain the same. During 4G days. Does Malaysia 4G speed is one of the fastest in the world or not?

And btw, why is Digi being bought out by Celcom, I thought competition will not drive monopoly?

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ Oct 4 2024, 12:50 PM)
Of course ordinary people like you won't care because the data already ruined your narrative. DNB already prove in such short time to be global leader.

My questions remain the same. During 4G days. Does Malaysia 4G speed is one of the fastest in the world or not?

And btw, why is Digi being bought out by Celcom, I thought competition will not drive monopoly?
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What answer do you expect to get? I have seen this question many time in this topic.
Just because our 4g is not the best in the world and our 5g win some award, does this mean a single DNB monopoly is good all the time? Digi being bought out by celcom does not make us having a single telco.
Please read up, both SWN and DWN have pros and cons.

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Oct 4 2024, 07:32 PM)
What answer do you expect to get? I have seen this question many time in this topic.
Just because our 4g is not the best in the world and our 5g win some award, does this mean a single DNB monopoly is good all the time? Digi being bought out by celcom does not make us having a single telco.
Please read up, both SWN and DWN have pros and cons.
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Even though DNB monopoly but we still have 5 telco...which can have more competitive plan...(they can't fugure out new point to sell their plan once SWN? Once all 5g coverage same?)
No point if u have DWN but only 1 telco having them.. that one baru called monopoly.... BUT.... it can be redundant network already smile.gif which some ppl claim SWN has single failure point.

Always remember, even DWN or more doesn't mean u have redundant...becos most of the ppl only have 1 sim... If ur telco down, ur phone has no network..
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Possible MCMC announcement tomorrow?
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Possible MCMC announcement tomorrow?
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Does DNB waiting for MCMC announcement? I saw many empty 5G poles being install for past 4 months near Klang area
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