QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 25 2023, 10:57 PM)
Running biz in Msia is definitely more lucrative than employment in Msia.
Nevertheless, having low cpga does hurt chances to get in major mnc at get go but no harm trying. Worse case, you can start with smaller companies and eventually you can move to better roles as relevant experience counts a lot more than CGPA in near future. I have seen successful people with 3.0 result to start with.
Having said that, the competition ia extremely tough at all levels in term of finding good job. Especially in Malaysia, it is about who you know instead of what you know.
Yeah , actually seeing the fruits of my 'endeavors' outside of engineering currently. But engineering has always been my passion , hard to let that dream die.
Having that said , with the power distance being insane here in Malaysia , its probably the best for me to ask around for opportunities , not looking strictly into technical positions , but I'm also intrigued with the business aspect of the industry,
QUOTE(Stamp @ Mar 26 2023, 06:31 AM)
You knew already that to get the “premium” job as a fresh graduate in oil&gas would require a candidate to have super high CGPA. Why don’t you be pragmatic and practical by aiming for a less “premium” job as a start?
If you CGPA is between 3.0 to 3.5, there’s still hope for you to join the consultants. Your prospects will be higher if you apply for oil&gas construction sector or oil&gas services sector.
Actually I laughed my heads off when I read of S looking for fresh graduates with a minimum CGPA of 3.50. I think its mgmt is delusional to think that for a company financially unstable now to have such high ambition to recruit the best fresh graduates in the market. I bet the freshies if they join S, will leave the company after a short stint in the company when they find out how the company is managed.
Sorry
, I think I misrepresented what I think is a 'premium' job . From my perspective and expectations , anything above 3k is considered 'premium' , I know full well how crappy fresh grads are paid , especially those getting into graduate hiring schemes which are a commonplace these days. In essence I wanna try to avoid any of these 'schemes' as much as possible .
QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 26 2023, 11:39 AM)
My first response is this:
Protege, please think twice before signing up.
It seems to be treated as a paid internship rather than a graduate program.
The salary from my junior is RM2,000/month and no EPF payable by employer or employee.
My junior is very disappointed with his experience (still in protege and actively trying to get a proper job) (According to HOD,
no chance to be absorbed considering what he studied and his current department in the firm).
Heard the same horror stories from peers as well . I'd try my best to avoid that.
QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 26 2023, 11:49 AM)
Let me summarize:
Fresh grad
1. Degree: Chemical Engineering
2. Previous experience: PMT for 2 projects under MMHE Subcon
3. Scope: Jacket (Structures)
4. Grade: >3.0<3.5.
5. Experience besides Oil industry: business and entrepreneurship , held managerial positions in supplying , manufacturing and FnB when studying
How hard is it for a fresh graduate to go 'offshore'
Answer: Depends on which company you join. If you join a HUC company or drilling company, the chances are there. Also, for consultant firm, if you are supporting offshore brownfield projects, there is good chance (as a discipline engineer but not Project).
But don't be so choosy as I see that you want "everything".
"Everything" being:
1. Chance to go offshore.
2. Premium position for fresh grad
3. Career progression
4. Pay
You need to realize that there are thousands of fresh grads like you and some of them have top CGPA in engineering and want to join O&G "premium" companies.
Most of them are willing to drop No 1-4 in exchange for experience in O&G since manufacturing and other non O&G pays badly (Except for software and IT).
Based on your experience above, I don't see you joining premium company at the start as per what stamp mentioned.
you can be practical and aim for less.
I suggest:
MMHE since you already worked for their subcon before.
Else, you can try consultants such as Worley, Aker, Technip, RNZ, DAR, MMC, etc (Salary will be 3-3.5k).
MMHE is urgently looking for manpower to help them execute their projects. However, as a process engineer your knowledge will not be so strong if you start at a fabricator. (I doubt technical careerpath is what you are looking for - long term). You can try for construction engineer or project engineer..
First off , I'd really like to thank you for spending time for such an extensive write up . I REALLY do appreciate that.
Sorry if I came off as choosy , I didn't spend too much time thinking on what I was writing . When I say premium position and pay , I don't mean sky high 99th percentile pay as a fresh grad , misworded my sentence , I'm just looking for something that pays 'fairly' probably around 3k aside from all the usual graduate hiring schemes that pay way below that.
referring to 1 , its just wishful thinking to go offshore
I just think its pretty cool , but I need to be pragmatic . I don't really care that much in what dept that I would have the chance to be absorbed into . But was really into Management , delivery and corporate planning for the OnG industry. I think I do have a forte in that when it comes to my previous stated experiences , probably would settle for that honestly.
about MMHE , in no way am I slandering or making factual statements, but this is strictly from my own personal observations and hearsay (probably biased since I did come from a subcon in west yard) , I've heard nothing more but 'bad things from them . Even Ex MMHE staff who are currently working for other companies have talked negatively about their experience there , so I'm really on the fence on ever going there again. But probably as you said , the experience that could be gained is probably to die for. Though , met the director , pretty chill and down to earth guy.
Probably should keep my expectations low and keep my head down . Thanks for the advice! I'll update if I get an opportunity somewhere.
QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 27 2023, 05:16 AM)
@Zzmsia, kudos to the straight to the point explanation.
Most note worthy is that tons of people lining up for opportunity in O&G industry from fresh to seasoned exp people.
Start with local companies and move way up would be best choice here. In 10yrs time, could end up being an expat elsewhere too.
P.s. MMHE has all the jobs in Msia that experience would be to die for esp young engineers.
Will probably look into MMHE again , its insane how they won back to back projects , so many things lined up for them . During my tenure in their yard it was nuts , things were flying to be finished , especially when rosemari was lined up even before the other two cpps were done with their loadout , good for them.
QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Mar 27 2023, 08:26 AM)
Yes and MMHE recent project CPOC is WHP, whereby most of the scope has structural and you can use it as first experience to showcase your talent to management.
Don't worry about not joining other premium companies as it is slightly easier to join them with experience (Fresh grad has too many into O&G).
Understood
QUOTE(DupeIkan @ Mar 27 2023, 12:07 PM)
Was in your position during MCO, no one was hiring that time. Had to jump multiple sector & companies and now in tech field.
Background in Pet Eng too.
But had a friend went to MMHE and he's happy there.
The one's on clients & bigger vendors (SLB/Halliburton) got it through connections.
It is what it is though....
Don't give up. I probably want to go back but I think it'll be as management (have a VP from SLB to tech)
Technip during MCO literally skeleton crew iinm
But thought they all would pay much more than 3.5k
Esp. Aker
Thank you everyone for chipping in their advices , really means a lot to me , Ill probably come round soon.
Dec 13 2022, 08:06 AM, updated 12 months ago
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) . This is going to sound like an excuse , but my cgpa is the result of my own 'Min Maxing' , I was focusing on other things such as business and entrepreneurship , held managerial positions in supplying , manufacturing and FnB when studying (which I must admit was because I had the privilege to do so but an opportunity I wasn't going to waste) . Built an extensive network my 'extra curricular' business, but before I pull out that card and be called a nepo baby , I want to try this out with my own capabilities.
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